Wednesday, October 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am  |  136 responses

Steve Nash Says the Lakers are ‘Thinking Too Much’


Overthinking things, you say? Well, that’s certainly one way to look at the Los Angeles Lakers’ ineptitude on both ends of the floor during their season-opening loss to the short-handed Dallas Mavericks. Steve Nash and head coach Mike Brown did their best to explain. Per the OC Register and SI: “The more energetic Dallas Mavericks took it to the Lakers on Opening Night 2012 at Staples Center, scoring a 99-91 victory behind Darren Collison’s 17 points. Collison’s point-guard counterpart, Nash, looked tentative in the new equal-opportunity offense, and Howard shot a demoralizing 3 for 14 on free throws. ‘We’re thinking too much instead of just playing,’ Nash said. [...] The problem is not that the Lakers went 0-8 in the pre-season or even that they dropped the opener. More troubling is the way they used Nash — or failed to use him — in the new system. Instead of maximizing the point guard they waited so long to obtain, the Lakers treated him like a new incarnation of Fisher, watching him dribble the ball up the court, launch a few 3-pointers, and do little else. Nash finished with seven points and four assists, a stat line that would have been unheard of in Phoenix. The Lakers tallied seven fast-break points, a total that would have made Mike D’Antoni shudder. Steve Blake, Nash’s backup, had more assists. So did Pau Gasol, a seven-footer. It was as though Mike Brown slipped lead weights into Nash’s sneakers. ‘Steve has the ability to do Steve,’ Brown said. ‘Every time down the floor in early offense he has the ability to play pick-and-roll with Dwight. He can do that whenever he wants or he can get us into offense….He’s thinking some. He knows he can come down and go get his, but he’s got Kobe here and Metta (World Peace) here and Dwight here and Pau here. He’s trying to find the balance of what to do and when to do it. His job by no means is easy. He’s an intelligent enough guy and a good enough leader where he’ll figure it out.’ [...] ‘I’m caught trying to get the ball moving and get us into different sets,’ Nash said. ‘Tonight I didn’t get a lot of pick-and-roll. There are growing pains and there will probably be more.’”

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would have left too. to be honest. after the whole Vince Carter / Hedo Turkoglu / Gilbert Arenas / Jameer Nelson get all the money, evar!!! debacle. and then to make me a villain while i’m STILL PLAYING FOR YOU? Peace, i’m out.

  • Caboose

    Haha thanks for leaving out Rashard Lewis…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that was a pity exclusion.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the offense suites Kobe perfectly. It just doesn’t fit with Nash or Howard….or Pau not playing the 5.
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    (who all were either not on the team, or were a questionable part at the time of said comments).

  • Caboose

    It’s harder and harder every day to be a Magic fan…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is why i’ve learned to just enjoy basketball without having an emotional attachment. (although, i have to admit, i would be excited as hell if Phoenix ever won a title, because, well, i’d be there).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    triple cosign the double cosign.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yo we probably really gonna get along this year. given the way Kobe played last night. and people being stupid about the Lakers when they lose.

  • Caboose

    I agree. My Magic fervor reached a peak probably in 2010. Since then, I’ll always call myself a Magic fan, but it’s much easier and enjoyable to watch basketball for basketball. Though I do have players who I love seeing do well.

  • LakeShow

    lol, head’s may not butt as much :)
    You like good basketball, I know that, and the Lakers should start playing some good basketball some time in the next month or two… So yeah we should be happy campers this year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh they will. it’s just about how good they play. i hope they change the offense, or at least step back from that princeton set a bit, and i won’t have a complaint in the world.

  • Caboose

    It seemed like the Lakers followed the Princeton philosophy as closely as possible. Adelman had it right with the Kings back in the day; he modified the hell out of it to fit his personnel at the time. Mike needs to learn that you can’t fit the players to the offense; you fit the offense to the players. Unless your name is Gregg Popovich. Then you do whatever the hell you want.

  • Caboose

    YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP! YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Adelman had the PERFECT big men to adjust the Princeton offense around. Webber & Divac (even Pollard & Grant) were very very good passing bigs, and they all had similar strengths. So it was easy to just blend the 4 and 5 position together into one, and bring them both up to the high post. Adelman basically ran a 1-4 high FLEX with a Princeton philosophy. But that guy is an offensive genius.

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    I cannot describe Pop’s offense. It is something I have never seen before. The closest thing i can relate it to is a motion offense with triangle principles. Except the triangle is more obtuse with the short side being used for a pick, and the far side extending all the way out to the corner. I would honestly love to get my hands on some good gametape so i can dissect it.
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    (Sorry this is the stuff I love more than anything but shooting, so even if you don’t ask for these opinions, they are coming with this topic).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you and your incessant “i’m better at real basketball” – dude, you COULD be, but you have no real idea & that doesn’t mean you are smarter. Or know the game better. In other words, It’s irrelevant.

  • Caboose

    Yeah, Adelman was gifted with CWebb and Vlade. We all know Dwight wouldn’t be able to play out of the high post, but if he gained a little bit more comfortability extending out to short corner, the Lakers would be better for it. Adelman is in a similar scenario now with Love and Pekovic, so I expect big things.

    That’s why the Spurs are so damn fun to watch. Tony will make some weird play call, a LOT of motion will happen, and there’ll be an open mid range jumper on the base line for Danny Green. It’s a joy to see them run their sets.

    This stuff is definitely fun to talk about, I just wish I knew it a bit better. Though I will say that I got to the point where I recognized almost all of SVG’s hand signals for play calls. The look on my friend’s face when we were at a game and I said “backdoor alley-oop to Dwight coming” was priceless.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is more basic information (to clarify, each common basketball set in it’s most traditional form), but there is a lot of it. idk how interested you are, but still…

    .- http://www.coachesclipboard.net/BasketballOffenses.html

    .- http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/offenses.html

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    oh well. its looking like a bad fit

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated. I think we kinda wrecked this comment thread…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    not the first time, ain’t gonna be the last time either. oh and i don’t give damn

  • LakeShow

    So who owes who a soda here?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i dunno but i’m out and need one, so whoever is buyin, i’d like mine soon

  • ScorpionMan66

    You have to have confidence in your coach to win a ring. The Lakers will never win one with Mike Brown. You don’t go 0 for 9 with those stars under any circumstances. Those players are proven, Mike Brown is not. Mitch has to get with Larry Brown or Jerry Sloan quick. Next year the salary cap tax and age will kill them. You have only this year to win the ring and it won’t happen with Mike Brown..

  • LakeShow

    Dude, all I got is Shasta… You sure you want a Shasta?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean no i don’t want a damn Shasta but if it’s my only option…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his offense wasn’t that bad. he was actually the first big that could hit a 12 footer on a semi regular basis. He was basically Kevin Garnett offensively….for his time.

  • LakeShow

    Only other soda I got are these bad boys…

    Needless to say, you can’t have em.

  • squirrel

    In my experience most people who make a point about how intelligent they are typically are more arrogant than intelligent. Most people possess the same basic intelligence, only differentiated by their points of interest. Its laughable to say that you are smarter or a better athelete than people you’ve never met.

  • hoang phung

    I don’t like way Nash plays as he used to. Pau is a technical PF/C in the leadge, so he oftens scores by himself than be assisted. Howards is not the same as Stoudemire in Suns. Lakers need a young and strong PG to offensive and defensive.

  • shutup

    I coulda swore somewhere I read that Mike Brown had genius level IQ. It was in a special about coach Pop and how his assistants and or players became coaches. I cant verify that, just figured I throw it out there. Oh, and thats not a knock on your IQ either, just remember technically it’s still a white mans world and Brown is at the top of his profession, and he’s not a former player, so that has to say something about his intelligence.

  • shutup

    I don’t understand why anyone voted that comment down. Keep at it. As for a book suggestions you must read the 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, very insightful plus covers a lot of material, analytic thinking as well as history and its chock full of metaphors; which will help you while reading some of the more allegorical texts.

  • Brownjesus

    They should run the Princeton offence when Nash is off the floor. When he’s on the floor just PnR all damn day

  • Mike From Spain

    Not that I don’t respect Caboose’s opinion but I generally pay more attention to what nbk has to say

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    those are so fucking dope!

  • Tomk777

    Mike Brown couldn’t pour piss out of a boot, if you printed the instructions on the heel.

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