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Wednesday, October 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am  |  136 responses

Steve Nash Says the Lakers are ‘Thinking Too Much’


Overthinking things, you say? Well, that’s certainly one way to look at the Los Angeles Lakers’ ineptitude on both ends of the floor during their season-opening loss to the short-handed Dallas Mavericks. Steve Nash and head coach Mike Brown did their best to explain. Per the OC Register and SI: “The more energetic Dallas Mavericks took it to the Lakers on Opening Night 2012 at Staples Center, scoring a 99-91 victory behind Darren Collison’s 17 points. Collison’s point-guard counterpart, Nash, looked tentative in the new equal-opportunity offense, and Howard shot a demoralizing 3 for 14 on free throws. ‘We’re thinking too much instead of just playing,’ Nash said. [...] The problem is not that the Lakers went 0-8 in the pre-season or even that they dropped the opener. More troubling is the way they used Nash — or failed to use him — in the new system. Instead of maximizing the point guard they waited so long to obtain, the Lakers treated him like a new incarnation of Fisher, watching him dribble the ball up the court, launch a few 3-pointers, and do little else. Nash finished with seven points and four assists, a stat line that would have been unheard of in Phoenix. The Lakers tallied seven fast-break points, a total that would have made Mike D’Antoni shudder. Steve Blake, Nash’s backup, had more assists. So did Pau Gasol, a seven-footer. It was as though Mike Brown slipped lead weights into Nash’s sneakers. ‘Steve has the ability to do Steve,’ Brown said. ‘Every time down the floor in early offense he has the ability to play pick-and-roll with Dwight. He can do that whenever he wants or he can get us into offense….He’s thinking some. He knows he can come down and go get his, but he’s got Kobe here and Metta (World Peace) here and Dwight here and Pau here. He’s trying to find the balance of what to do and when to do it. His job by no means is easy. He’s an intelligent enough guy and a good enough leader where he’ll figure it out.’ [...] ‘I’m caught trying to get the ball moving and get us into different sets,’ Nash said. ‘Tonight I didn’t get a lot of pick-and-roll. There are growing pains and there will probably be more.’”

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  • Caboose

    I don’t think Mike Brown has ever “thought too much” in his life.

  • robb

    Aaah you beat me to it.

  • JN

    I’d take a helathy Bynum over Dwight purely for the extra 20% FT over their careers. Dwight isn’t like a prime Shaq in that he’ll still get you 30 points even when he misses his free-throws and I think that could cost the lakers a playoff game ort two.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The TNT guys said it last night. They need to scrap the Princeton offense. If they’re not going to run, they will have a tough time getting wins against teams like the Thunder, Spurs, Clippers and Heat. Playing slow will keep teams in the game with them. It will work against teams who struggle to close out games but against teams with closers like Durant, Ginobili/Parker, CP3 and LeBron/Wade, they’ll lose. If Mike Brown continues to run this offense and Steve Nash can’t get out and run, a coaching change will be made. No good reason for Nash to only get 4 assists in any game playing with the guys he’s playing with. Gasol played well though.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Fire brown. Being back Phil Jackson or Brian Shaw

  • surety

    Mavs basically had a completely new roster and Carlisle had them humming along with a steady dose of pick and rolls that was simply killing the Lakers. Brown has the best PNR guard AND the best PNR finisher in the NBA and the Lakers didn’t run one until the 4th quarter. Why not keep the game simple instead of this hybrid bullshit? SMH Mike Brown.

  • justin05

    Make some damn free throws…I know Dwight is shooting w/ a new form but damn, it was a hard game to watch last night. Outcoached, outplayed. Caboose hit it on the head, Brown and Jordan just looked like they were happy to be a part of this team. Reporters were saying that Kobe was helping coach in practice also.. Come on Jim, fire his ass. Our next coach better make Howard shoot free throws for a couple hours a day. You cannot win consistently when you get to the free throw line 5-10 times and make 2 pointsoverall from the CHARITY stripe.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    And as far of the Princeton offense.. Wasn’t Kobe the one that went and told brown they should run it..

  • justin05

    Too late, Shaw has a new job. I wouldn’t be surprised if Phil gave it another year or 2. It depends on his health

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Shaws down in Indiana as assistant coach. The buss family did wrong by choosing brown over shaw. I don’t think Jackson has the itch quite yet…

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    He said he thought it was a good idea…I’m sure he feels differently now.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Brian Shaw is the guy who should have been hired after Phil left.

  • justin05

    Yeah he might not get that itch back lol. Coaching in the NBA is very political, they chose Borwn because he was successful in Cleveland w/ Lebron. He had years of exp. w/ a superstar talent but that superstar talent did more for him then he could ever have done. Shaw should have been hired but this is the world we live in.

  • Drig

    Actually, running would only kill us as we have no good transition defenders ( Dwight’s not good until he shakes of all that rust ). And the fact that we’re not the quickest team around, the most athletic team around or the youngest team around is gonna kill us vs said teams if we go for a running contest. Also, in the POs, we don’t want LAL to stutter implementing their half-court game which will decide matches for them. The problem is the balance. Too many times Nash just went around the pick and passed the ball off and stood near the 3pt line. He’s got to find the balance between attacking and setting up the play by game 10 this season IMO. Once he can do that, LAL’s O is virtually unstoppable. One thing that I do wish LAL would do is get into their sets early OR scrap the play if they take too much time pushing the ball up teh court and getting into positions. That way, Nash would be free to run the PnRs too……

  • Drig

    It’s still a good idea. The problem is that using it exclusively like Nash called it this game isn’t a bright one. While MikeB and Kobe must get their share of the blame for not encouraging Nash to play his style more, Nash should’ve been more assertive and taken his chances. I remember one play where Kobe got Nash the ball for an open J and he passed back to Kobe. THAT is what I don’t want to see. I want Nash to restrain Kobe when he desires to take almost every shot at times. Plays like this don’t instill confidence in me.

    TBH, he looked like a more capable Derek Fisher in game 1. Hopefully, he atleast becomes a more capable Sessions in game 2……..

  • charliewinning

    I hope they continue to “think too much”. I hope they think so much that this will beat a repeat of ’04.

  • charliewinning

    *be a repeat

  • Drig

    Dwight had one of his worst defensive showings, a bad night from the charity stripe and was playing himself into shape. Give him some slack. He’s gonna help the Lakers win series, even if he’s gonna cost them a game or two in them.

  • bike

    This Princeton-style offense may have had some merit prior to LA getting Nash and Howard. Nash has to run and Dwight has to pick and roll. Let’s see how stubborn Brown can be.

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    Meh.. Jim Carrey > Grimace.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Drig, you need to learn about the Princeton offense. Nash was doing what he’s supposed to do, in that system. —- And running doesn’t mean sprinting full speed up and down the court, it means playing with a quicker tempo and getting more shots in rhythm. It’s not like Nash has played on the most athletic team in the league at any point in the last 6 years, but he still leads the best offense, year in and year out. He gets high % shots for his teammates by putting pressure on the defense. In this system, he CAN’T do that.

  • Jeffster

    Yet he’s probably made more money in the last five years than you’ll make in a lifetime. He may not be a basketball genius, but he’s a lot richer than you Mr. Keyboard Coach.

  • Drig

    I get that that is what the system dictates him to do. But I also hear the rest of the team telling Nash it’s on him to decide if he wants to run it or run the PnR game……….and Nash didn’t deny it.

    Another thing is that the Lakers don’t actually want him to carry that burden for all the minutes he plays on the floor like he did in Phx since they signed him to a 3 year deal. Which is why I think it’s necessary for the Lakers to get a system to fall back on when things get too hard on Nash and his body. Any system that works.

  • James

    @a51c115572bc34fdeb2c83b12497f64d:disqus that was def the comment of the day

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think what they mean by that is, (which i really really like to hear), is that Nash has veto power over the offense. And is just not comfortable enough to take advantage of it yet.
    .
    i am not at all down on the Lakers. i know that’s how this sounds, but what i’m trying to say is, with the proper adjustments, that team is going to have a hard time losing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    cosign this. and thank the lawd the TNT/NBATV guys have been bashing the Princeton offense. (they ALL did it during Open Court) Because it just isn’t the right thing to run. At all.

  • BRAVO

    wow i really wasnt expecting the Lakers to play like that last night. I was expecting a good and exciting game but overall the Lakers were so boring to watch @ times. They need to switch up the offense becuz how far can you go if your best players arent producing properly?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If Nash has to play differently in any way than he did in Phoenix, it won’t work. I heard a few people talk about it while everyone else crowned the Lakers champions right after they made the two huge acquisitions. Nash can’t just wander around the perimeter. If he passed up any shots, it’s most likely because he was uncomfortable. The one guy who should have the ball less is Kobe unless the team needs a jolt offensively or it’s the end of the game. Pau’s skillset allows him to play in basically any offense as long as he’s in the high post or low post (whatever that was that had him out at the 3 point line last season was ridiculous). Dwight doesn’t have that skillset. So if he’s going to be featured at all, a different offense is needed. Nash is a great fit with Dwight and Pau. Pau can either pick and roll or pick and pop. Of course Dwight can pick and roll. The challenge will be if Nash and Kobe can play together. Both love having the ball. But if one will have to change, it’s Kobe. Less isolation unless it’s necessary. Less one on one play. Let Nash run the show. With all that said, this team can’t really be judged until January in my opinion. If there are still issues on offense at that time, something will need to change.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Right because how much money he makes has a lot to do with what Caboose said and the implication behind it. Money doesn’t make him a great coach. So what was the purpose of that comment seeing as how it’s completely irrelevant? Also…Mike Brown is probably a lot richer than you too so even if what you said had any relation to what Caboose said, you would fall in the same category with him.

  • robb

    that “he’s richer than you” argument is lame dude, I don’t need to be a coach to realize when someone isn’t doing a good job. Kwame brown would definitely kick my ass 1 on 1 but he’s a terrible NBA player. Facts are facts.

  • Lorne

    Who implied he wasn’t richer than me? He’s making millions coaching the game Caboose thinks he knows better than him, while his intelligence is being insulted by some kid sitting behind his computer who probably couldn’t make a D-III basketball team. The two things are directly related. I may not think Mike Brown is a great NBA coach but I’m not insulting the man’s intelligence. Unlike myself and Caboose, people pay him millions to coach. Who’s paying anyone here millions to run their team? I’ll wait.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i agree with that entire statement. we just view the situation with Nash a bit differently. I think LA will be fine with Nash playing a lesser role…..as long as Dwight and Pau are the featured players in the offense. As I said and i’m sure you saw above, i believe Kobe should only get the ball in “scoring areas” to minimize his opportunities to make questionable decisions.
    .
    I honestly expect Nash to be at about 12 PPG and 7-8APG that’s it. And that’s all they really neeed as long as he’s efficient.

  • Kevin

    “Everybody can tell you how to do, they never did it”.

  • Kevin

    Still a better NBA coach than you. Oh wait, you’re not! lmao

  • Lorne

    It’s true. You just don’t like it because in this forum you feel like your opinion matters more than it really does. My statement was a dose of reality because it was as dismissive as it was true.

  • pposse

    they need to be paying me to be a GM #justsayin

  • Caboose

    Did you really think that was funny?

  • Caboose

    Alright, I made a crack about Mike Brown’s intelligence. Did I ever mention his knowledge of the game? No. I know that Mike Brown knows the game better than I do, but I’m willing to bet a good chunk of change that I’m smarter than him.

  • Kevin

    Yes I did. Are you really as obnoxious and annoying in real life as you are on this site?

  • Caboose

    I’m obnoxious? And annoying? Enlighten me.

  • justin05

    Caboose can be a keyboard warrior at times but so can we all right? That’s the internet for you. He was just trying to make a joke, Caboose is actually pretty intelligent, he just doesn’t understand the game through a player’s view. Your D-III comment was on the money.

  • Jesse

    I don’t think anyone was saying he’s a great coach, or even a good one. It’s just safe to assume that when you basically call someone dumb for something you probably can’t do yourself, expect that kind of reaction. I can’t call a doctor stupid if I never even got accepted to med school. Same principle.

  • justin05

    Money isn’t relevent but Mike Brown is still a professional coach. He had to get up there by doing more than commenting on Slam and looking up stats. You should leave a few of Caboose’s comments alone tho, I’m starting to think that you and nbk have a thing for him or eachother. I’m glad the Slam community brings ppl together but you guys are turning into the 3 stooges of bball. That raptor fan guy is trying to join your circle too but he’s not as intelligent as you and Cab. More leightweight like nbk..

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Agreed.

  • Caboose

    Explain to me how BAMN, nbk, and I are the 3 Stooges. Isn’t it kind of convenient how three of the most intelligent people here agree with each other?

  • justin05

    That comment was directed as bamn but it doesn’t really matter..lol

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It’s called a joke. The same joke that was told while he was in Cleveland..lots of people joked that LeBron was the actual coach of that team. Now they say that Kobe is the real coach of this team. Just jokes. The 9 people who gave it a thumbs up probably got it. You didn’t.

  • Caboose

    Cosign

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You should leave any comment that makes any kind of sense alone seeing as how you rarely have anything to add that’s worth reading.

  • Caboose

    Oh, I’m sorry, “enlighten” might have been too big a word for you. “Tell me” might be more your speed.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    And if we want to get down to Mike Brown, let’s be real about it. He’s a head coach because of his work as an assistant with Coach Pop. He has stayed a head coach because of the players he’s had playing for him. LeBron played well enough to get him a Coach of the Year Award that led to Jim Buss giving him a shot in LA. He’s a great defensive coach. But his offenses have been garbage. LeBron’s decision-making made his offense work in Cleveland. But it was still predictable. Now, he better hope that Nash can somehow turn that offense into one that can be successful or Kobe will be calling for a change behind closed doors.

  • Caboose

    It’s funny, justin tries to be diplomatic, but he really doesn’t offer much. He’s like the UN trying to enforce every rule of the Geneva Conventions.

  • Swish

    Man, I’ve always thought Cabosse and nbk were the same person…. unfortunately, I can’t prove it…. but I still do ..

  • justin05

    Relax lol. 3 stooges was just a joke because there are 3 of you. On an actuall bball court you have to admit that you guys would be a little bit like them though haha. I actually respect yours and bamn’s intelligence, it was my bad for caring what you 3 do..I just notice that nbk is always on your guys’ coattails. It’s not my place to to tell ppl where/what to comment though so I apologize. Like minds will stick together and I think that is very beneficial for the Slam community. Building a brotherhood if you will

  • hooplover

    I completely agree with you. Always thought it.

  • Caboose

    Lol, you can try. BAMN, Caboose, and nbk are all the same person right? We’re all just different fragments of the same personality. Caboose is the stat-based argumentative side, BAMN is the analytical witty side, and nbk is the pithy, forceful side. Right?

  • justin05

    Don’t tell me where to comment. I was trying to back you guys up a little bit while still joshing you at the same time. We’re all guys here, no need to get panties bunched up .I may not know how to express myself as well over the internet but I know I can beat you stooges at the game one-on-one. If you don’t like what I have to say then start skipping my name when you see it. There are some articles where you post 3+ comments and I just skip over most of them..

  • justin05

    They aren’t, trust me. Caboose is the most intelligent, Bamn has the most time on his hands, and nbk is most immature of the 3. They’ve been on the same page since the Kobe vs. Wade debate.

  • Caboose

    Haha we’ve been on the same page since the SLAM Top 50 last year. Just happens that some of the most common commenters share opinions on a lot of things.

  • Caboose

    Psst, you should get in on this thread with justin05 here. It’s actually funny as hell.

  • justin05

    I wasn’t here last year so I didn’t know. I was playing a lot of ball, go figure.

  • Swish

    Nah, BAMN is a separate dude. You and nbk are literally the same guy is what I’m assuming. I have never, ever, seen you both disagree on anything whatsoever, which makes me curious that’s all….. I’m guessing you started commenting as nbk first, since he’s been commenting for years, and then, to assert his points, he “created” another commenter to back up everything he says and name him ‘Caboose’….

  • justin05

    Not so much diplomatic as just trying to show I don’t dislike you guys even tho we think differently. We’re all people here, I have a harder time expressing myself than you guys because I have less experience commenting on websites and I’m not as book smart/articulate, yet. Hell, I blaze before I comment on here half the time so I’m just trying to pass some time on the best basketball website, besides nba.com, on the web.
    This is off topic and has nothing to do w/ b-ball but I’ve been reading many books these past few months and I look up every word I don’t know. I’m trying to improve my overall intelligence..I know words are not my strong suit because I’ve always been more of a math guy and athlete but I’m working on it. That’s why it is harder for me to debate w/ you guys analytically and factually. I’m very wise for my age so I’m sorry that I tend to use subjecives. My opinions just tend to be correct. I can’t help it. I think I know the overall game of basketball better than you Caboose, maybe in another life you can help me get a Master’s degree in English and I’ll help you make a D-II college basketball team lol.

  • justin05

    Some people are leaders in this world and some ppl are followers Swish. Caboose is more of a leader on this website and nbk follows him. It’s nice to have a right hand man.

  • Caboose

    Honestly, when I started out, I pretty much followed nbk. Dude made some smart points, but he wasn’t the #1 guy on the site; AllenP, Enigmatic, DarkSaber, Eboy, etc were all the big names. I cosigned nbk a good amount, and got flamed for it. So, I cosign people MUCH less. I figure I can make a decent argument, so I’ll stick my neck out there the most and let the arguments come to me. As for BAMN, I’m not sure if he used a different name on the site prior to the comment system update, but he makes just as many (most likely more) good points as I do.

  • Caboose

    Haha I’m insulted that you think I’m a lackey here. Just for that I’m gonna go find something nbk said recently and call him stupid for it.

  • Caboose

    Doing that reading is commendable man, that’s impressive. Whatcha been reading? And I’m honestly more of a math guy myself, I just really love studying philosophy and logic. Helps me see the discussions on this site as objectively as I can. As for my basketball career, I played competitively up through the start of my freshman year of high school. I was all set to start on the JV team, then, injury. Herniated disc that can’t be operated on, so no more competitive basketball for me. When I did play, I was never an athlete. In 8th grade, I was a white kid, about 5’7, 165, poor sprint speed, even worse lateral quickness. What I had was an arsenal of post moves, decent finishing skills, and good ball handling. What I was best at though was rebounding. Ever seen that average height guy who’s built thick, but can initiate a play and bang in the post? That was me. So I know the game, I’ve played, I just can’t anymore.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Where did you play? I’ve played from 4-22 yrs of age. Had knee surgery that took away some of my explosiveness so I just watch now. Been watching since I was 3. Rarely has a game been televised that I didn’t see. Recorded hundreds of games on tape. I don’t know about nbk or Caboose, but I’ve crossed over many a dude and shut down many a player on the perimeter defensively in my day. As for intellect, maybe you should stop blazing and read more if you want to be better with words bro. The only issue here on this site is guys who have a favorite player or team and all they seem to know how to do is attempt to rebut everything that is said about that team or player that is not a ringing endorsement of them. There are people here who enjoy real conversations about topics. If my memory serves me correctly, nbk and I disagreed quite a bit over Dwight Howard when he was in Orlando and SLAM had the old comment section here. I ended up finding out some truth about the situation and I ended up telling him he was right all along. So there’s no group here. I think what the three of us seem to agree on is Kobe and the Lakers. I respect them because as I read around on here, there aren’t a ton of people with great things to say who are willing to have real discussions. Caboose and nbk are two of the few who will have those discussions.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I had a few names on the old comment section but I remember Enigmatic, Eboy and all those guys too. I know I disagreed with nbk on Dwight Howard and that whole Orlando situation and I probably disagreed with you some too. No one agrees all the time. I think we’re on the same page with Kobe/Lakers though.

  • Caboose

    Exactly. What all three of us hate (and I’m speaking for nbk when I shouldn’t be) is “mystique,” or the idea that some players are exempt from criticism on facets of their game because of a body of work, or legacy. Take someone like Bill Russell. My guess is, you’d agree dude was a great defender, great team leader, good winner. But his offense was bad. Ben Wallace-esque. Just because he has 11 rings doesn’t mean we can’t attack his lack of an offensive game. Thus, it’s when we see people neglecting stats and focusing on the “Kobe mystique” to justify his CURRENT skill set that we get bristly. Sound right?

  • LakeShow

    Brown went to Kobe with it, post the OKC series last year. Kobe said he would like it if he “mad it his own.” Meaning it wouldn’t work to it’s fullest, unless you switched a few of the main ingredients.

  • LakeShow

    Cosign

  • LakeShow

    Naw, dude thinks WAYYYYY too much.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Exactly. Strictly based on the kind of player he’s been the past few seasons.

  • LakeShow

    Good on ya man. Just make sure you give definite points to the people you want to discus things with. Main thing is people want points being made, not just arguments being had. Keep at it fella.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL!

  • LakeShow

    LOL, cosign this. nbk, is coo though, when he feels like it…

  • LakeShow

    I dunno man, your nerdy, but Brown is a grown ass nerd.

    :D

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    did you play in college? with your masters degree in basketball, yet have never actually offered a logical basketball opinion….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL

  • Caboose

    Haha

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man you are ignorant

  • Kevin

    Please, no, stop. Your wit is too much. I simply can’t handle you responding to your own comments with corny follow-ups.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    do you see how much i comment? You know what it would take to comment as 2 people? and idk if you just don’t read very much, but i don’t give a flying f*ck what any of you think of my opinion to need any sort of “back up”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you do remember the whole Dwight Howard situation? we haven’t agreed on that in months.

  • Lorne

    Thank you for explaining his comment to me. I’m not sure what I would do without your vast intellect on here explaining simple insults, Captain Obvious. Thanks for decoding his post.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when i got here, the comment section was dominated by Allenp, Jukai, Eboy, Myles, Ryan, Brian, i believe Dark was here a lot more, and TADone. other than that the old regulars and people who frequented here are gone

  • Caboose

    Haha true true. I’m miffed that I’m the lackey and you’re the real one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s pretty ridiculous too

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m confused as sh*t that Justin is under the impression that i follow you around….look at the comment count on the community page lol

  • Caboose

    I cosign this completely and I wish to express my support for nbk’s opinion.

  • Caboose

    Yeah, who the hell follows a Caboose??? Haha I think Swish was using my screen name as justification that I follow your opinion…

  • Caboose

    So you’re defending an insult from a guy on the internet to someone you don’t know and will never know? You’re fighting the good fight there.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If you understood that it was a joke, why did you go on a small rant about a “kid behind a computer insulting the man’s intelligence”?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean, people should follow what you say. even when you are wrong (Dwight) you are logical and reasonable in your argument. which is ALL i ever ask from people…..

  • Caboose

    Haha what the hell was the Dwight thing about anyways? I only remember vehement disagreement, but I can’t recall the topic.

  • Lorne

    Why? Because you watch television and you think you know the man? You’re probably one of those typical post adolescents who think that a few college classes helped you figure out the whole world already. In five years you’re going to laugh at yourself. Your age group is so annoying.

  • Caboose

    I know damn well I haven’t figured out the world. I know that I know pretty much nothing. Knowledge and wisdom is different than intelligence. Intelligence is the trait that allows you to pursue knowledge. When I make arguments on here, I don’t interject opinion, all I do is present what is evident before me. I don’t claim to be a basketball aficionado, I don’t have a great insight of the game. But I can consolidate the information in the world into an argument. However, I do not know if that argument is correct; I just know that it appears logical to me. As far as intelligence goes, what, to you, is a good indicator of it? If it’s knowledge of the world, then we have a fundamental disagreement of the word, because, as I said, intelligence means something very different.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh just you think he’s a big baby, and i think it’s all Orlando’s fault.

  • Caboose

    Right. I’ll cede that. Dwight was more professional than I thought he was. His motivations for leaving I guess were what irked me. But yeah, the Magic were pretty…well, awful about it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would have left too. to be honest. after the whole Vince Carter / Hedo Turkoglu / Gilbert Arenas / Jameer Nelson get all the money, evar!!! debacle. and then to make me a villain while i’m STILL PLAYING FOR YOU? Peace, i’m out.

  • Caboose

    Haha thanks for leaving out Rashard Lewis…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that was a pity exclusion.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the offense suites Kobe perfectly. It just doesn’t fit with Nash or Howard….or Pau not playing the 5.
    .
    (who all were either not on the team, or were a questionable part at the time of said comments).

  • Caboose

    It’s harder and harder every day to be a Magic fan…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is why i’ve learned to just enjoy basketball without having an emotional attachment. (although, i have to admit, i would be excited as hell if Phoenix ever won a title, because, well, i’d be there).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    triple cosign the double cosign.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yo we probably really gonna get along this year. given the way Kobe played last night. and people being stupid about the Lakers when they lose.

  • Caboose

    I agree. My Magic fervor reached a peak probably in 2010. Since then, I’ll always call myself a Magic fan, but it’s much easier and enjoyable to watch basketball for basketball. Though I do have players who I love seeing do well.

  • LakeShow

    lol, head’s may not butt as much :)
    You like good basketball, I know that, and the Lakers should start playing some good basketball some time in the next month or two… So yeah we should be happy campers this year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh they will. it’s just about how good they play. i hope they change the offense, or at least step back from that princeton set a bit, and i won’t have a complaint in the world.

  • Caboose

    It seemed like the Lakers followed the Princeton philosophy as closely as possible. Adelman had it right with the Kings back in the day; he modified the hell out of it to fit his personnel at the time. Mike needs to learn that you can’t fit the players to the offense; you fit the offense to the players. Unless your name is Gregg Popovich. Then you do whatever the hell you want.

  • Caboose

    YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP! YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Adelman had the PERFECT big men to adjust the Princeton offense around. Webber & Divac (even Pollard & Grant) were very very good passing bigs, and they all had similar strengths. So it was easy to just blend the 4 and 5 position together into one, and bring them both up to the high post. Adelman basically ran a 1-4 high FLEX with a Princeton philosophy. But that guy is an offensive genius.

    .

    I cannot describe Pop’s offense. It is something I have never seen before. The closest thing i can relate it to is a motion offense with triangle principles. Except the triangle is more obtuse with the short side being used for a pick, and the far side extending all the way out to the corner. I would honestly love to get my hands on some good gametape so i can dissect it.
    .
    (Sorry this is the stuff I love more than anything but shooting, so even if you don’t ask for these opinions, they are coming with this topic).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you and your incessant “i’m better at real basketball” – dude, you COULD be, but you have no real idea & that doesn’t mean you are smarter. Or know the game better. In other words, It’s irrelevant.

  • Caboose

    Yeah, Adelman was gifted with CWebb and Vlade. We all know Dwight wouldn’t be able to play out of the high post, but if he gained a little bit more comfortability extending out to short corner, the Lakers would be better for it. Adelman is in a similar scenario now with Love and Pekovic, so I expect big things.

    That’s why the Spurs are so damn fun to watch. Tony will make some weird play call, a LOT of motion will happen, and there’ll be an open mid range jumper on the base line for Danny Green. It’s a joy to see them run their sets.

    This stuff is definitely fun to talk about, I just wish I knew it a bit better. Though I will say that I got to the point where I recognized almost all of SVG’s hand signals for play calls. The look on my friend’s face when we were at a game and I said “backdoor alley-oop to Dwight coming” was priceless.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is more basic information (to clarify, each common basketball set in it’s most traditional form), but there is a lot of it. idk how interested you are, but still…

    .- http://www.coachesclipboard.net/BasketballOffenses.html

    .- http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/offenses.html

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    oh well. its looking like a bad fit

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated. I think we kinda wrecked this comment thread…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    not the first time, ain’t gonna be the last time either. oh and i don’t give damn

  • LakeShow

    So who owes who a soda here?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i dunno but i’m out and need one, so whoever is buyin, i’d like mine soon

  • ScorpionMan66

    You have to have confidence in your coach to win a ring. The Lakers will never win one with Mike Brown. You don’t go 0 for 9 with those stars under any circumstances. Those players are proven, Mike Brown is not. Mitch has to get with Larry Brown or Jerry Sloan quick. Next year the salary cap tax and age will kill them. You have only this year to win the ring and it won’t happen with Mike Brown..

  • LakeShow

    Dude, all I got is Shasta… You sure you want a Shasta?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean no i don’t want a damn Shasta but if it’s my only option…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his offense wasn’t that bad. he was actually the first big that could hit a 12 footer on a semi regular basis. He was basically Kevin Garnett offensively….for his time.

  • LakeShow

    Only other soda I got are these bad boys…

    Needless to say, you can’t have em.

  • squirrel

    In my experience most people who make a point about how intelligent they are typically are more arrogant than intelligent. Most people possess the same basic intelligence, only differentiated by their points of interest. Its laughable to say that you are smarter or a better athelete than people you’ve never met.

  • hoang phung

    I don’t like way Nash plays as he used to. Pau is a technical PF/C in the leadge, so he oftens scores by himself than be assisted. Howards is not the same as Stoudemire in Suns. Lakers need a young and strong PG to offensive and defensive.

  • shutup

    I coulda swore somewhere I read that Mike Brown had genius level IQ. It was in a special about coach Pop and how his assistants and or players became coaches. I cant verify that, just figured I throw it out there. Oh, and thats not a knock on your IQ either, just remember technically it’s still a white mans world and Brown is at the top of his profession, and he’s not a former player, so that has to say something about his intelligence.

  • shutup

    I don’t understand why anyone voted that comment down. Keep at it. As for a book suggestions you must read the 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, very insightful plus covers a lot of material, analytic thinking as well as history and its chock full of metaphors; which will help you while reading some of the more allegorical texts.

  • Brownjesus

    They should run the Princeton offence when Nash is off the floor. When he’s on the floor just PnR all damn day

  • Mike From Spain

    Not that I don’t respect Caboose’s opinion but I generally pay more attention to what nbk has to say

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    those are so fucking dope!

  • Tomk777

    Mike Brown couldn’t pour piss out of a boot, if you printed the instructions on the heel.

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