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Friday, November 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm  |  129 responses

Kobe Bryant Thinks Pau Gasol is ‘Coasting’ in the Los Angeles Lakers’ Offense


Every season, almost without fail, Kobe Bryant publicly throws teammate Pau Gasol under the bus. Here’s the latest example, as Bryant told the media that Gasol is used to “coasting” in the Laker attack, something that needs to change immediately with new head coach Mike D’Antoni on board. Reports the LA Daily News: “Following the Lakers’ 113-97 loss Tuesday at Sacramento, the team sounded frank on what ailed Pau Gasol after posting only eight points on 3-of-10 shooting and one offensive rebound. ‘Pau is used to laboring up the floor and coasting a little bit,’ Kobe Bryant said. ‘In this offense, we have to put the motor on the first few steps we move up the court.’ That didn’t happen. Kings center DeMarcus Cousins beat Gasol on two consecutive drives in the second quarter. The Lakers forward looked frustrated after defensive breakdowns. And as coach Mike D’Antoni noted afterward, ‘Pau didn’t have his legs’ after logging 37 minutes. Gasol took ownership of his shooting woes, but downplayed how his conditioning could fare in D’Antoni’s fast-paced offense.”

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  • Conor

    Pau is throwing himself under the bus with his play.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Pau is a nice guy to keep taking criticism from a guy who never criticizes himself and also basically throws up a middle finger to anyone who criticizes him.

  • KC

    Did pau cause Kobe’s 7 turnovers too? Always someone else’s fault in Kobe’s world.

  • Redd

    That’s unfair, Dwight didnt do well either, but he won’t call him out huh? Punk move, Kobe getting hit is running through my mind.

  • Dagger

    Even if this was true, you just don’t say this stuff to the press. Kobe’s attitude towards his teammates is what keeps him behind Bird and Magic in my book.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If D’Antoni thinks this will be Showtime, he’s out of his mind. They only have 1 athlete and he’s not 100%. No one knows when Nash will return but even when he does, this roster doesn’t compare with those horses they had in Phoenix (Amar’e, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Barbosa, etc.)

  • Dymez

    Hilarious. “When in doubt, blame Pau.” I bet one thing Pau Gasol misses about Mike Brown, is that Brown took Pau’s title of “scapegoat” for a year and a day. Like I said when Mike D’Antoni got the job, it’s going to be funny as hell seeing these old cats run Mike D’s offense. This was just the 1st episode of that sitcom.

  • spit hot fiyah

    is chuck hayes officially the dwight stopper?

  • Conor

    Gasol is shooting 43%, you morons; he’s playing woeful defence, & is averaging less than ten rebounds per game. And this is somehow Kobe’s fault? GTFO

  • Caboose

    Always has been. Back when he was on the Magic, I was always puzzled as to why Dwight wouldn’t dominate the Rockets.

  • jumpman22cn

    Every season…
    If something goes wrong, blame the guy who don’t speak English.–Homer Simpson

  • OTB

    Yeah – Kobe needs to relax on throwing Pau out like this. I know Dwight is the big story now, but Pau played a huge huge role in the Lakers being relevant again in 2008. Sadly, even Laker fans forget that.

  • Bill

    Difference: Pau didn’t throw Mr. Perfect under the bus for his 7 turnovers.

  • bill

    The only moron speaking about anyone is Kobe…and his 7 turnovers.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe would be in another city if Pau had never been traded to LA.

  • OTB

    To be fair, Pau was lethargic as hell. He has these games once in a while.

  • bill

    Pau’s tired because he didn’t coast during the Olympics this summer…like Kobe did.

  • Redd

    You can’t even spell defense, “moron”.

  • manhandled

    True story

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Great point.

  • manhandled

    I was waiting for someone to mention this. Howard didn`t play in the Olympics due to surgery. Kobe was out there for one thing and one thing only, when he was on the court, to shoot. While Pau was the main dude for Spain giving his everything and then some for the majority of the Olympic games. This is the 999th reason why D`antoni and his contemporary showtime system will not work as it did in Phoenix and New York….oh wait, just Phoenix.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Kobe gives 100 percent every night. Pau does not. If he gave it his finals game 7 or Denver game 7 effort every night we would be a force to be reckoned with.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    The guy was asked to be the scorer, ball handler, play maker and basically everything for the team. He scored 38 on plus 50 percent from the field. He’s a 17th year SHOOTING GUARD without athleticism. He’s not a fucking point guard.

  • OTB

    He could be Canadian.

  • playa

    with pau, the thing is its ALWAYS something,he’s ALWAYS tired,he’s not utilized in a appropriate way,he’s not forcefed the ball by Kobe,there’s ALWAYS an excellent and on point explanaition for his poor outings.Someone’s said that without him kobe wouldn’t have his last two rings etc., well you can put it this way-without Kobe and the lakers organization& the city Pau would be a forgotten man by now,putting empty stats for some horrible teams,he wouldnt past the 1 st round of play offs and would NEVER EVER be regarded as a top pf/big man in the league(like he was 2-4 years ago).There are pros and coins of everything.

  • Big Game James

    I’m die hard lakers fan, love Pau and always will for all he did for this franchise but Kobe is simply right. Pau need a big kick in the ass to wake up because right now is turning into Gasoft mode on both end of the floor. Yes Kobe had also 7 turnovers but he’s the only one who showed up against the Kings. Without him it would have been a blowout (it almost was).

    Pau is a heck of a basketball player but his problem have always been his lack of agressiveness. That’s why Phil used to get into him during time out. He need that to give his best. That’s just the way it is and I’m sure he will respond tonight.
    Go Lakers !!!!

  • Jinolin

    STAT for Pau swap (keep in mind I don’t know Pau’s contract situation), STAT comes back to Mike D and Nash, Pau becomes a very good 2nd banana in NYC. any thoughts?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I don’t think it was that bad of criticism….actually seems pretty fair

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    there’s a difference between having bad games and not giving 100%

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    haha chuck is the man….only 6’6″ guy out there that can bang with anyone

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    It’s pretty moronic to completely ignore the comment and focus on an effin spelling mistake. It’s the internet man not English class. Please calm down.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Pau could still be on another team being eliminated in the first round and that would be cool. He would be a perennial All-Star, 20 and 10 guy, probably the best Spanish player to play in the league and make it into the Hall of Fame probably. But Kobe Bryant, the 2nd best SG ever, was whining and begging for a trade out of LA until Gasol arrived. Gasol wasn’t asking to be traded from Memphis. That’s why people talk about what Kobe would be right now without him instead of what Gasol would be without Kobe. Pau’s not in any discussions about being the best at his position or one of the best players ever like Kobe is with some people. People point out what Gasol means to him because the argument that can be made when people foolishly compare Kobe to MJ is that Kobe always needed a good or great big man or two to win and at times, he got bailed out by Gasol when he was shooting horribly. And understand something, Pau would have never been a forgotten man. Knowledgeable basketball fans knew who Pau was and what he was capable of before he arrived in LA. Whether he was in LA or not, he would still be considered one of the most skilled big men in basketball. LA has nothing to do with that.

  • bamn_is_a_f@g

    F@gg0t

  • justin05

    Kobe just wants to light a fire under Pau. Gasol tends to be a little soft emotionally so he needs the kick in the ass. On the other hand, he and Dwight should hold Kobe accountable for his gameplay as well. It’s not Kobe’s team anymore.

  • justin05

    Co-sign. It’s a big game tonight so Gasol will have this fresh in his mind. Go LA!

  • Redd

    It’s pretty moronic to call people morons for having different opinions and then being surprised when in turn said person gets called a moron.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    Well when you consider that I never called you a moron, and that you called conor a moron…

  • roscoe

    all the LAL need to get in better shape for the run/gun… its obvious.

  • BuenoWayno1

    AND Kobe throws another teammate under the proverbial bus in 4… 3…2….

  • ashnsmashem

    Pau is the weak link. As a lakers fan we have wanted pau to get traded for a year’ they already tried to trade him.bi didn’t read anything that kobe said and thought he throw him under the bus, d’antoni agreed. I can deal with bad games’ but one thing we never say about kobe we don’t questiom his effort’ I question pau’s effort almost every game. Isn’t there a problem with a 17 year vet playing “harder” than anyone else on tl:-) that team

  • ashnsmashem

    Kobe has plyed for the lakers his whole career. Kobe has never been on the trading block’ for a reason….can’t say that for shaq,bynum,gasol,fisher,odom,phil jackson or whoever else has came & gone over the years ‘ only 1 consistent

  • The Fury

    Thank you very much, well said my man.

  • Redd

    But he almost went to Chicago.

  • Redd

    ..oh wait you’re not joking? Everyone has slow moments so it’s cool, read what I said again.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Kobe fans are hilarious.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    He looked at the Bulls and the Clippers as a free agent before Dr. Buss traded Shaq and decided he wanted to keep Kobe. He’s been the 1 constant not because he chose to be, but because the Buss family decided to stick with him. The biggest reason he’s still a Laker is because of the Gasol trade.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Oh so you forgot about him quitting multiple times on his team? That never happened now?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I’d also caution against mentioning Phil with the players you mentioned as being on the trading block. Without Phil? 0 championships for Kobe. Phil left the first time because he got tired of coaching Kobe. He came back and dude had matured a little bit to the point where he could be coached.

  • KBM

    How do u know KB’s never been on the trading block. You don’t. U think Kupchak releases all his ‘behind close door moves’ to the public? Extremely naive to think so.

  • shutup

    Kobe started his career on the trading block, lest we forget that Charlotte drafted him.

  • Fat Lever

    If there’s one thing I know for sure, it’s that Lebron James would have never said this about a teammate. Discuss.

  • Anon

    Idiot Kobe was on the block most of 07 he demanded a trade in the summer and almost ended up with the bulls

  • Drig’r

    Acutally, Kobe and Bynum were taking the Lakers to a top 3 seed that season even without Pau…………

    Next, it’s kinda laughable to think that MJ never needed Pippen to guard the best player on the opposing teams and be the primary ball handler too. Remember the 1991 Finals? Remember who was the guy who changed the outcome of the series?? Not MJ.

    Three, every superstar player always needed a superstar beside him to win. It’s not like Kobe failed to win with a superstar perimeter player. Kobe never had the chance to play like that.

    And I kindly ask you to watch the games. Pau’s D has been lethargic in every single game this season. Every single game. His O isn’t too big of a problem but he’s not stopping any defender.

  • Drig’r

    Pretty sure Kobe “quitting” is better than 90% of the L’s “100% effort” games.

    Kobe’s had bad games. Kobe’s had a few games where he wanted to make statements. Kobe allegedly “quit” in game 7 vs Phx in your opinion.

  • Drig’r

    Yup, didn’t find anything else to criticize Kobe’s play right?? LOL.

  • Drig’r

    THis is sensible. Agreed that Dwight also should’ve been called out.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s not really an opinion. We watched the games. 3 shots in the 2nd half? If that’s not quitting, what is it?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Being a top 3 seed is nice until you get eliminated in the playoffs. Bynum wasn’t going to be enough to get Kobe to the Finals especially with his knees liable to buckle at any point. Which is why they made the trade for Gasol. If they didn’t need him, they wouldn’t have traded for him. Make excuses for Kobe like the other Kobe stans here. They don’t work. Also, not every superstar needed another one. Dirk, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olaujuwon. Duncan played with one superstar in David Robinson. He’s won 2 since Robinson retired and he was actually the best player on each of those 4 championship teams even while Robinson was . Ginobili and Parker are stars, not superstars. Clyde wasn’t a superstar by the time he got to Houston. Dirk had Jason Terry hitting shots and a great defensive big man in Tyson Chandler along with a former superstar in Kidd. But he was the unquestioned top dog on that team with no peer. What people don’t talk about enough is Jordan’s efficiency. Even on bad teams, he still shot over 50%. Kobe on bad teams? 46% at best. I won’t go too far into the comparisons but I’m proving that there is no argument to be made for Kobe deserving to be in the same sentence as Jordan. As for your argument about Kobe never being fortunate enough to play with another perimeter player like Scottie Pippen, imagine Jordan playing with a guy like Shaq…And defensively as it relates to the Lakers now, who is Kobe stopping these days?

  • Caboose

    YO HATER, KOBE WAS TRYING TO MOTIVATE HIS TEAM. YOU THINK HE CAN ALWAYS JUST GO OUT AND SCORE??? HE WAS BEING A PLAYMAKER, THE SAME VERSATILITY THAT GOT HIM 5 RINGS!

  • Dagger

    No need to discuss; everyone knows it’s true.

  • manhandled

    Well put. Real basketball fans knew who Pau was before he was traded to LA: He was one of the best pf/c in the game, the best player on Memphis, and the sole reason for any success that Memphis may have had during that era because he didn`t have much to work with when he played for the Grizzles. The Pau Gasol trade immediately made LA relevant again and the reason that LA won back-to-back championships. Kobe and Bynum by themselves were never going to be enough. EVER

  • Dagger

    Oh yes, Gasol responded wonderfully tonight, as Kobe took 8 more shots than Gasol and Howard combined. That’s leadership for you.

  • Datkid

    you’re missing the point, you can’t really whine to somebody about quitting… if you yourself quit/shot yourself out of games. it’s hypocritical. and that goes for everyone even your beloved kobe

  • Conor

    How often does that happen every season? Ten of every eighty-two games? I’d take Kobe’s production with the occasional turnovers versus two consecutive seasons of piss-poor play.

    The only difference are the players’ respective expectations of winning. One has been far more successful than the other.

  • Conor

    It’s called having a Canadian writing style, imbecile.

  • Conor

    There was no spelling mistake. I’m simply Canadian.

  • Conor

    What’s it like to live in the bubble otherwise known as “Americana”?

  • Conor

    What’s it like living in the bubble known as “Americana”?

  • Conor

    Did you watch the game? LMAO, Gasol had four rebounds, was utterly outplayed by Randolph & D’Antoni benched him. For what, I wonder… oh, that’s right, Kobe must have been the reason.

    Brilliant arguments, @disqus_kzFNajbi2S:disqus

  • ashnsmashem

    And pau got benched tonight in the 4th quarter for a reason. Flat footed, gets completely outplayed on both ends of the floor. And this is a habit. Coincedence non lakers fans usually think its kobes fault, obviously don’t watch ….effort carries u when your shot isn’t falling; and pau can’t do either

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I got excited…

  • Redd

    What’s Americana? Sound’s like a fancy, expensive, non-racist prime minister having dish.

  • Drig’r

    Kobe’s played as many minutes right now as Jordan did WITH his Wiz days included i,e. an extra 5000 odd minutes. Pretty sure MJ would’ve fallen off defensively then as well.

    Show me some article where Kobe demanded a trade that season before Bynum went down. LAL only decided to trade for Pau AFTER Bynum went down lol. Mitch himself said that. So yeah, pretty sure Pau wasn’t the reason Kobe stopped whining for a trade. It was more because of the team’s improved play.

    So Pau was a superstar when the Lakers acquired him??? He was an All-Star big man who couldn’t lead his team outside the 1st round despite his best efforts.

    I’m not dissing Pau here though. But he was more like what Al J was considered a few years back in a better light: A great post-up player who has great vision and is versatile but below average D for most of the season.

    Kobe torched bad defensive teams like the Suns AND good defensive teams like the Spurs and Utah in the POs. What he hasn’t done is torch teams in the NBA Finals ( ’09 comes closest ). Don’t think you remember them though. Go on with the mindless hate.

    I’d love you imagining Jordan to play with Shaq. Kobe and Shaq were arguably the greatest 1-2 punch but both had to sacrifice their games to accommodate each other’s strengths i.e. their talents didn’t tie in seamlessly.

    Jordan never had the range Kobe did. Jordan would’ve been asked to live on the perimeter and score to keep defenses honest, Pretty sure that Jordan’s efficiency would’ve taken a hit.

  • Drig’r

    Yup. He “quit” about 6 years ago. Pau displayed 6 years ago. Let’s call Kobe hypocritical on the basis of what he was 6 years ago. Makes tons of sense.

  • Drig’r

    Except Kobe hasn’t quit games the last 2 seasons. He’s had bad games but he hasn’t ever given less than 100% effort despite his limitations. Calling Kobe hypocritical on the basis of what he did 6 years ago is totally irrelevant to what is happening this season. And Kobe “quit” 1 game. Pau hasn’t shown up for 8-9 games on defense. He’s bad. Even by Kobe defense standards he’s bad.

  • Drig’r

    One person who didn’t watch the game. Pretty sure more guys will be added to the list.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/lee_jenkins/02/22/kobe.bryant.pau.gasol/index.html

    Kobe says himself in that article “Now I got my guy” meaning if the Lakers had never made that trade, he would have still felt like he was playing by himself. That is with or without Bynum on the floor. Mind you this is the same dude who was caught on video criticizing the organization for not trading Bynum for Jason Kidd that same summer in 2007 when he demanded to be traded himself. Mitch said the trade was because of Bynum being injured, but Kobe himself disagrees and believes that his trade demand was the reason the organization went out and got Gasol. The article talks about Gasol’s impact on Kobe’s career post-Shaq.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Doesn’t matter when he quit. The point is a player who has actually quit on his team multiple times (regular season game against Sacramento, playoff game 7 against the Suns) shouldn’t say a word about a guy coasting. Game 7s are when superstar players are supposed to do their best work. At least go out fighting if you’re going to lose. 3 shots in the 2nd half isn’t really putting up a fight. Not if you’re the best player in the world which he was at that time.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    lol You know Kobe fans very well.

  • Dagger

    This cracked me up. Look, the main point is that Gasol obviously didn’t respond well to Kobe’s “leadership.” But beyond that: obviously there were some extenuating circumstances last night, but isn’t that always the case? Shaq didn’t get more shots than Kobe because he was “lazy.” Even during Kobe’s second championship run Gasol didn’t get enough shots because that was the nature of the offense. Now, with Howard and Gasol, they’re out of shape and coming back from injury.

    Every game is different, the shape of the roster and offense are important and Kobe’s not always the culprit. BUT you have to admit that, historically, the Lakers could have been even better for the past 10+ years had Kobe made the easy pass to the post more often than jacking up a contested jumper. I wouldn’t be surprised if, deep down, Kobe was never happier with the Lakers offense than when he was jacking up 27+ shots/game.

  • Yesse

    Funny. When i look at the games i see Pau as one of the key guys in the offense.

    First of all, whenever he gets the ball to the high post, he has alot of options. He can lob it up to Dwight, he can shoot, he can drive and those are not his only options.

    I hate hearing cheap excuses like this. I don’t understand why Lakers play this terrible with the roster they have.

  • Drig’r

    I fought with Allenp over the same thing earlier in the year. Let’s just agree to disagree. I just hope you also believe LBJ quit vs the Celts.

    Anyways, you can count the number of times Kobe didn’t show effort his entire career on one hand. You can also count the number of times Pau played well enough on both ends of the floor this season on one hand.

  • TheKid

    You’re not talking about 2006 right? That would be hilarious and pointless, wouldn’t it?

    Say what you will about Kobe fans, but I’ll be damned if the haters aren’t worse.

  • Drig’r

    “Though general manager Mitch Kupchak said the trade was precipitated by an injury in early 2008 to center Andrew Bynum,”

    And that’s the truth. Kobe went on a tirade when LAL refused to take on Kidd for Bynum but he zipped his mouth and played with Bynum and won games. He didn’t demand a trade that season.

    What you said was what Kobe believed. Kobe also gave a credible reason about his game 7 performance.

    Again, I don’t get why we’re considering what Pau HAS DONE while judging what he’s BEEN DOING. Pau’s been bad defensively. He was benched in favor of Jamison. JAMISON!!!

    Mike D realizes what’s up. And I’m glad that he didn’t mince words in the press conference about Gasol’s play. A lot of sensible Laker fans know that without Pau, we’re gonna be done this season unless we upgrade ALL our role players. That’s the reason everyone’s so harsh on Gasol. Because we know he can be SO. MUCH. BETTER.

  • bigA

    I was pissed watching the lakers kings games how littlethey gave Pau the ball in the low block.
    He is a beast down there.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    LeBron did quit against the Celtics in Game 5. Almost everyone who watched that game has said that he quit. But this isn’t about him because he carried a franchise by himself for 7 seasons. Kobe had 3 seasons without star or superstar help and couldn’t take it. So no comparison needs to be made there.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Not hilarious or pointless. It’s fact. A man who notoriously quit twice has no room to talk about someone else coasting. Doesn’t matter when it happened. You must not spend a lot of time here because Kobe’s stans are far worse than any “haters”. “Haters” on this site are defined as people who bring up facts about Kobe that don’t show him in a positive light much to the dismay of his stans.

  • rjf

    Kobe needs to worry more about the teams perimeter defense which is horrible. It has been for a few yrs now. Oh and doesn’t kobe play on the perimeter?? If he’s the leader then start there. Not by throwing his teammates under the bus. It starts by looking in the mirror

  • Conor

    Nice use of apostrophe, Illiterate Grammar Warden.

  • Redd

    Technically it’s spelling you moron and that was the correct usage.

  • Conor

    “Sound is like a fancy, expensive, non-racist prime minister having dish.” sound correct to you? “Technically it’s spelling”?

    “gram·mar/ˈgramər/

    Noun:The whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology…”

  • Conor

    Not only do you fail to understand basketball, you can’t seem to grasp your mother tongue. Congratulations.

  • juice3

    You guys are soft. Kobe isn’t saying Pau is a bum nor is he throwing him under the bus. If anything Kobe and Pau are close, they’re boys and Kobe sees Pau as his right hand man. This shouldn’t even be a story and the title is misleading

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    Delusional too!

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    Man, who cares, what’s new

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    C’mon boss. Just admit he has quit. It ain’t the end of the world.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    I do believe Bron quit.

  • Redd

    ..you called me a ‘grammar warden’, earlier I corrected your spelling not grammar. Naturally stupid I see, c’est la vie.

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  • Conor

    Spelling is a subsidiary of grammar. You can’t spell if you don’t have words to spell & you did so with the wrong structure of words. I know that this may be a difficult concept for you, but It’s nice to think every once in a while.

  • Conor

    And you can’t correct something that wasn’t wrong to begin with. Do you have short-term memory loss?

  • justin05

    Gasol didn’t respond well. I was hoping for a W but memphis is just a really good team right now. Their core has been together much longer than this new Lakers squad. Pau and Howard look tired or sore. I have a feeling that we’re going to drop this next game also. This is the 3rd game in a row on the road so Gasol and Howard will surprise me if they put up a combined 30 pts and 20 rbs. 6-8 fuuu ck

  • justin05

    It’s obviously apparent that a lot of you commenters hate on Kobe when an article comes up about him saying something “negative.” Get off his nuts. He doesn’t give a f*ck what you say. He’s made that very clear earlier on this year. At the end of the day, Kobe is putting in almost 30 ppg on 50% shotting from the field so you ppl should start paying some respect instead of filling up these articles w/ 100+ posts of arguing bs. Idgaf what Kobe says about Pau. All I care about is them winning, which we are not doing enough of, and becoming a better/more cohesive team. We lack athletisism/conditioning and team chemistry. Kobe is a boss and you remember that you dumbass polar bear. He can fill every finger on one hand w/ his rings. You can’t even keep yours hands out of your pants unless you’re typing some nonsense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Yeah, that was pretty low. But I meant he gives it his all every season. Every day the dude works hard. He knew there wasn’t any rings comin’ that year. IMO, it was actually him looking forward to the future. Maybe not in the right way, but when there’s a chance to win Kobe does everything to grasp it, Gasol just kinda hopes everything falls in place.

  • Redd

    You’re an idiot..grammar is not the same as spelling..not even close. You’re pretty pathetic and an idiot. First you call other people morons, while you’re the moron. Think before you insult others for no reason.

    I’m done replying to you, go learn about spelling & grammar differentiation.

  • Conor

    Humbling & embarrassing. However my critical analysis, vocabulary, and general intelligence remain superior to yours.

  • Dagger

    It’s time for you to take a deep breath and realize that this is just some internet basketball forum. Relax. Nobody is trying to reach Kobe with these comments, we’re just debating his strengths and weaknesses. If you can’t handle that, come back here after you finish high school.

  • Bored

    why do all Kobe fans attribute his 5 rings to him alone? always talking about “HIS” 5 rings like was playing MJ’s role in each of those chips.

  • Datkid

    It doesn’t matter when it happened… The point is that it DID happen. And Kobe spent all of last year chucking them straight out of games. Was it 100% effort? Maybe. But Kobe’s lost far more of the lakers games with his horrible shot selection than pau has by “coasting” and that’s a fact

  • Bored

    you say the most ludicrous things.

  • Conor

    “Spelling is an integral part of grammar, which defines proper word usage. Some rules of grammar pertain specifically to spelling, such as plurals and possessives.”

    You cannot have a method of using words without first creating them. Spelling is a root of grammar, @Red7252:disqus . I hope that you have somebody to handle simple logistic arguments for you, in person.

  • Drig’r

    It did happen. 6 YEARS AGO. Again, according to your logic, elder brothers should never ever have the right to call out and correct their younger brothers because they did the exact same sh*t earlier in their life. That’d lead to a fcked up world.

    Kobe’s ridiculous shot selection also helped the team win a few games last season when Pau was off. Cut that outta the games he cost the Lakers. Pretty sure Lakers won zilch when Kobe was off and Pau was coasting. I wasn’t too hard on Gasol last season because of the failed trade and the smaller role on O he had to get used to. Both of them don’t apply now.

    Anyways, I was talking about THIS season my friend. And Kobe’s been phenomenal while Gasol’s been underwhelming to say the least. While there is a chance that Gasol’s playing injured by the looks of things, until it is confirmed by the team, I don’t think he should be excused for multiple poor outings so far this season.

  • Drig’r

    Why do all MJ fans attribute his 6 rings to him alone?? Always taking about “HIS” 6 rings like he was playing Hakeem’s role in each of those chips. Unless Bored was being sarcastic about calling Kobe fans out on the issue.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    MJ played the biggest role in those championships. He took his game to another level each series and played his best in the Finals. Scottie had great moments but there was no question about who the man was. That’s why people attribute his rings to him more than they do Kobe with his 5. Kobe’s only played the biggest role in 2 out of 6. He had great moments with Shaq in the Finals, but Shaq was the man on those teams.

  • Drig’r

    It’s kinda funny that everyone agrees that the 00-02 Lakers’ biggest obstacles were always in the WCF which was considered the NBA Finals in those days but no one credits Kobe’s game , which was on par with Shaq’s and at times much better, in those series. Kobe was the guy who carved up the Spurs in ’01 and was right up there with Shaq in ’02 when LA overcame the Kings. Shaq was the man in ’00. Kobe AND Shaq were the alpha options in ’01 and ’02. Just look at Kobe’s production till the Finals during those 2 years. They were on par with whatever elite statistical benchmark you can put out there for a wing player. I’d like to see you explain how Kobe was in anyway inferior to Shaq till the NBA Finals those 2 years.

    Also, if you’re only talking about the impact of the players in the NBA Finals, Pippen played the biggest role in MJ’s first ring. MJ was being torn apart by Magic on D in Game 1. Phil put Pippen on him and turned the series on its head.

  • Bored

    MJ fans say that he was playing center in his 6 rings?

  • Bored

    you have overestimated Kobe and underestimated MJ. i dont know where to start and i dont know if i want to bother purely based on how ludicrous it is to say that Pippen played the biggest role in MJ’s first ring. Magic tore MJ apart in game 1? please refresh my memory, its been a few years since i seen the game but i pretty sure it didnt happen like that. I remember they both played great games and it was real tight at the end and someone dropped a 3 to win it. cant remember who though. i would find out but im more interested in the MJ being torn apart story.

  • Bored

    also just about “I’d like to see you explain how Kobe was in anyway inferior to Shaq till the NBA Finals those 2 years.” thing. why? why would i explain that part? even if Kobe did play a bigger role (he didnt), we are talking about the “NBA finals”. thats the series where you win a ring.

  • Drig’r

    I never said MJ didn’t have a great game or series. I said Magic tore apart MJ in game 1 when MJ was matching Magic up on D. Phil immediately put Pippen on Magic from game 2 onwards and Magic struggled a few games to get used to him. Magic wasn’t himself again till game 4 or game 5 by which time Pippen and Jordan ran away with the whole thing.

    Pippen’s impact on Magic’s game without sacrificing his offensive output in the process is akin to Kobe playing an all round game and defense and helping slice up the Spurs and Kings. Both are undervalued.

  • Drig’r

    Nah. MJ fans act like MJ was the whole team on O and D. Esp. with the HIS rings part. If you didn’t know better, you’d think he was the amalgamation of Magic, Wilt and Bird.

    It’s almost like the Bulls almost making the NBA Finals without Jordan because of a botched call has been erased from the Bulls’ history. He, just like every other superstar minus Hakeem, needed a superstar alongside him to win.

  • Drig’r

    Game 6 : Kobe went off along with Lamar. LA couldn’t stop the Suns on D. LAL lost by 8-10 points I think.

    Game 7 : LAL was down by 15-20 odd points at half-time if I remember correctly and Kobe was the only guy beasting that game. LA again couldn’t stop anyone.

    Kobe shooting continuously would’ve played into the Suns trap of playing 5 vs Kobe. And they were shooting pretty well that game.

    There was no way he could win unless the defensive intensity picked up. And the Suns weren’t the Raptors who could go on scoring droughts. They managed to answer every Kobe scoring streak with one of their own throughout the series. Kobe’s offensive firepower wouldn’t galvanize the team vs the Suns and it showed throughout the series.

    Again, I also don’t think LBJ quit and it looks like I’m in the minority here.

  • BlackPhantom

    Of course Kobe quit in 2006, therfore him bringing this up is hypocritical…but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a point in saying it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Was it me who said CP3 > Rondo? If so, than I agree with you. Completely ludicrous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Every night I watch KG and Rondo light it up and just smile thinking of the people on this board with no knowledge of the game yet strong opinions.

  • Bored

    almost getting to the finals is far different to winning the finals. i dont underestimate a Pippen lead Bulls team with Phil coaching. of course they are going to compete. sadly, im sorry because you seem like a more reasonable person than most of the people on here, but if you think that MJ was not the main reason the bulls went 3 in a row twice then you either have not seen all of the games OR you would like Kobe to be little closer than he really is to MJ.

  • Bored

    have you heard of win shares or turnovers?

  • Drig’r

    lol no. I know MJ was the man on those teams. Just find it hypocritical when MJ fans come around and say he did everything on his own and without help and claim Pau helped Kobe more than Pippen helped MJ.

  • Drig’r

    Fine. Then whatever you said holds merit I guess. Personally, I thought the WCF was the Finals in those years. And Kobe did play a bigger role than Shaq vs Spurs. He most certainly did. He and Shaq took out the Kings TOGETHER.

    His 1st ring was more of a sidekick role. The other two he was on par with Shaq. I stick by it.

  • ryan

    actually laker fans remember what he is capable of and this is why they can seethat his pplay is lacking

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