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Friday, November 16th, 2012 at 10:55 am  |  95 responses

Mike D’Antoni Intends to Bring “Showtime” Back to the Lakers


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Nothing about the current Los Angeles Lakers screams “Showtime”: they’re old, slow and injured. None of this, apparently, deters new head coach Mike D’Antoni.

Mr. Pringles arrived in Los Angeles for his first day of work, and ran practice while hobbling around on crutches due to a recent knee replacement surgery. D’Antoni thinks he can bring the run-and-gun style back to Hollywood. D’Antoni says he’ll even reach out to Magic Johnson (who has loudly criticized the hiring) about making this dream come true.

Most important of all, the Lakers’ new bench boss embraces the enormous championship-or-bust expectations that are built into his gig.

From the team website:

Q: On what he thought of this team before he came on: D’Antoni: “A really good team. Just great individual talent. It comes pretty simple: we’re going to have to be a great offensive team and great defensive team. You got Dwight Howard – Defensive Player of the Year. Kobe (Bryant) – definitely on the (NBA All-Defensive) First Team. You got defenders, you got unbelievable offensive geniuses. So we just got to make sure we put everything together, get a good balance, a good flow, have goals and understand that in the game Friday, it’s a step on the road to a championship. We can’t (will) ourselves all the way to June. We got to play the regular season. I know here that sometimes you say: ‘Let’s get this over with.’ But it’s important to lay the foundation. The assembly of players and the experience that is here, is incredible right now.” Q: On when he expects team to pick up offense: D’Antoni: “With Steve Nash, when we got him in Phoenix, it took him an hour and a half. We threw him out there and we couldn’t get off the floor. I expect the same thing. He’ll run the offense like nothing. For the other guys, it’s very simple. He’s a big part of it; we got Steve Blake coming back and he’s a big part of it. (Chris) Duhon knows it already, so that’s cool. We’ll get the other guys up to snuff. But the process should not be long and it should not be tedious at all. The good thing about it is, defensively, we should be a bear. Until we get everything clicking and everything going, we’ll be relying on our defense to win games.”

[…] When Shaq (O’Neal) came to Phoenix, we averaged 115 points with Shaq. I told the team if we’re not averaging 115 points per game, then we need to talk. That’s our goal and it should be easily done. There will be bumps along the way and I’m sure you guys will write: ‘Hey they’re jacking 3’s all the time.’ There will be times like that and we’ll talk about it. There’s just so many weapons we got. If they start feeling good about themselves – and they have to bring the energy – there’s no reason why we don’t offensively go off the charts. If we go off the charts offensively, then defensively, we should be really good. I haven’t had that combo and we have it here.” […] “Everything’s positive; everything’s fun. Let’s go do Showtime; let’s go do it. Let’s get the win in the meantime. But there will be a lot of that.”

Mike D’Antoni is a smart, confident, free-wheeling, self-deprecating coach who believes in giving players ultimate freedom on the court. It’s why he’s so beloved. Laker fans still upset because of what happened with Phil Jackson will eventually come around, especially once this team starts winning.

D’Antoni expects to make his coaching debut this Sunday, marking the return of  “Showtime” – some version of it, anyway – to L.A.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he also just said on the Dan Patrick Show, “we are not worried about 7 seconds or less, we will be focused on 24 seconds or less”

  • pposse

    someone please tell me a team that has won it all with a run and gun offense in the past 22 years? I’ll wait. How many times has a team running the triangle offense won it in the past 22 years?? Oh thats right, 11 times. What was the main reason the Heat won it last year..was it not cause Lebron asserted himself in the post like he has never previously done?! Was Tim Duncan not a phenomenal post prescense who won another 4 rings in the past 22 years? What about Hakeem Olajuwon, his post game wasnt the main factor they won those two rings in the early 90′s, not at all. 19 out of the last 22 championships were won offensively speaking in the post. D’Antoni is trying to rewrite history, and will most likely be a fool for doing so.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the thing is, 22 of the last 22 championships have been won with a strong defense.
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    name one run and gun team that also featured a strong defense in the last 22 years.
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    see how easy that is?

  • pposse

    yah but D’Antoni is not a defensive minded coach. I know individually the players on the team are defensive minded, but how can it be helfpul to an ‘aging team’ to have to play more defensive possessions per game? These guys are world class athletes, but how can two 7 footers a 34 yr old and a 39 yr old pg be running up and down the court so much and then expect to play hard defense.

  • shockexchange

    What people fail to mention about MJ, Pippen and the Bulls is that at least the first 3 chips were won on defense. They pressured and beat teams into submission … totally destroyed their will to compete. Deep in the playoffs, you have to be able to get stops.

    As an aside, in the summer of 2011 I was coaching a summer league game against D’Antoni’s son’s team. D’Antoni and his wife were in the stands. They sat quietly and just enjoyed watching their son compete. At the sight of D’Antoni, of course the Shock Exchange was acting like a nut … gettin’ his “Bobby Knight” on, nearly getting a technical foul. But I got to see another side of the guy. He’s like everyone else … a family man who just happens to have a high pressure, high profile job. Though the Shock Exchange thinks the Lakers are lazy and entitled, deep down I would like to see D’Antoni succeed out there.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you should probably can your belief that the team is going to be playing SSOL, because they won’t. Will they be faster paced? Yes. Will they run to the point that it is detrimental to their team? No. — And contrary to popular belief, D’Antoni doesn’t just disregard defense, his teams have regularly (except those early Knicks teams that featured Amar’e as THE rim protector) been middle of the pack. idk about you, but it is not really bad defense to turn a team that features Amar’e and Nash to an average defense. Now he has Dwight. The defense will be strong. — And it’s not about having more defensive possessions per game, it’s about having more offensive possessions. Even if your defense can’t “stop” everyone, if the offense can outscore (when you think about things “averaging out” you always hear people say “small sample size” — it’s the same concept with basketball, the larger the sample size, the more often the “better” team will succeed) anyone, giving them the most opportunities to do so is always the best option. —– and focusing on how many titles were won with completely unrelated circumstances in the past, are incredibly irrelevant. I mean, we can judge everything in the past if you really want, but if we do that, we can confidently say neither D’Antoni or Jackson would win a title with the Lakers this season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why people fail to realize how strong those Bulls defenses were, i’ll never know.

  • shockexchange

    The NBA changed around the early ’90s. Bob Costas and the league started emphasizing stars and scoring. Guys who were high scorers, yet shot at a 40% clip were being idolized. Defense, rebounding, hustle plays – things that win chips went unnoticed. The Bulls used to press teams. With Scottie and Jordan at the top of the press, opposing guards couldn’t even see down court. And the harder teams tried, the more the Bulls would beat them down. In the final 5 minutes of games, opposing teams’ body language signalled they wanted to be some place else. The Bulls literally broke teams psychologically.

  • bike

    LA will be better with D’Antoni than Brown. That much is certain. I believe the issue with this team will not be so much how the run ‘n gun offense or defense will pan out, it will be whether this team can stay healthy enough to win it all. If you combine age and the injuries they have sustained this early in the season, it doesn’t look good.

  • pposse

    im not saying they are going to play SSOL or not, i just think that with the personnel they have they should slow it down and Dwight Howard should learn how to excel in the post. He has two very formidable post playing teammates in Pau Gasol and Kobe to learn from. Pau mores so since Dwight and him are both bigs. Its already established that the Lakers bench is pretty weak and D’Antoni uses smaller rotations. Why have 30 + year old players run a track meet? If they want to demoralize teams early and often they need to punish smaller teams (which is pretty much every team) offensively and defensively. Offensively by pounding the ball inside and wearing down defenders in the post. A defensively by getting physical which pretty much 4 starters on the team are capable of. side note, Steve Nash is a professional pg a two time MVP, he doesn’t have to be the Nash we all know in order for this team to be successful. And NBK in response to your initial rebuttal, if all of these past championship teams had strong defenses, why did not even one of them (especially lebron james and the heat 2012) have a run n gun offense?

  • JM

    There’s another common dominator with all those teams you mentioned…they each had a top 3 player in the league. Coaches can only do so much,you don’t win chips without a superstar. Kobe and Dwight are superstars, the Lakers will contend regardless of their coach

    Also 19 of the last 22 chips won offensively speaking in the post? 22 take the six from the 90′s Bulls, take the 04 Pistons, Take the 06 Heat (won on wade’s FT’s), take the 08 Celtics (KG got a lot of his points from jumpers, Pierce and Jesus weren’t posting up). I think you got your numbers mixed up.

    You could also make a case for the Mavs as well… Who won largely due to a centre dominating defensively… Kinda like Dwight Does.

    That leaves 12-13. Bottom line: The Lakers have two superstars, they’ll be fine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    bringing back showtime? come on man just try hard to win

  • pposse

    i didnt include the pistons, 06 heat (even tho shaq was still a force at 20 and 10), the celtics and the mavs. It should have been 18/22. Every other team heavily concentrated their offenses with some sort of post threat. The Triangle, Hakeem, Duncan, and Lebron. I do agree the Lakers will contend regardless of the coach, and at the end of the day the defense won all of these teams championships; but they had a complimentary style of offense to that defense.

  • Monkeyball

    Yeah, it changed around the early 90′s: defenses got tougher, players became bigger and more athletic. Stars and scoring were emphasized from the start. Start a list of some old-school all-offense/no-defense stars: Iceman Gervin, Dominique, David Thompson, Bernard King, not to mention Bird and Magic.

  • shockexchange

    Actually, that’s not what happened. The NBA actually changed the rules to make the game more offensive-oriented. Secondly, as the NBA expanded and went down to the HS level for talent, defense and bball IQ / science of basketball were their two biggest learning curves. You are right about one thing though – they were bigger and more athletic. Too bad it wasn’t track & field.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    first of all, don’t say, “im not saying they are going to play SSOL or not,” and then in the same comment say “Why have 30 + year old players run a track meet?” – if they aren’t running the SSOL then they OBVIOUSLY won’t be running a track meet. —- STOP thinking every coach is a robot and just runs the same thing no matter who his players are. There is no reason to believe the Lakers won’t have the best offense in the league. Really, there isn’t. — In regards to the rotation, have you even really thought about this? How many bench players on the Lakers would be usable contributers in Phil Jackson’s system? one? Jordan Hill….how does Antawn Jamison become a good player in the triangle with a slow game and him playing PF? — Or are you really going to peddle him out as a SF and watch your big men get in foul trouble at the rim? Or have you thought about the fact that D’Antoni turns Chris F’ng Duhon into a serviceable backup, enables Antawn Jamison to be used as a weapon as much as he is a liability, rather than just a passible substitute who really can’t use any of his strengths on a regular basis. The criticism of Mike D’Antoni’s rotations is totally good and logical, but it isn’t a usable criticism on this team because there is no deep bench to dip into. Phil Jackson would not have benefitted the team by using the bench more than D’Antoni will.
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    And why do you think running is more physically damaging to a player than actually playing physically? you are talking them have 30+ year olds, you really want them playing a physical brand of basketball for 82 games and expect them to keep it up through the playoffs? think about it. an open style of basketball is actually conducive to longevity because you are taking the grind of the game out and turning it into an exercise.

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    Regarding your last question, i’m not really the one to ask, i don’t coach the team. But, looking at the data, the Heat were undefeated in the playoffs when they scored >100 points……and they have become “run and gun” (which is not what it is, they are just faster paced, it’s not like they are taking stupid shots) since last season….so obviously, Spoelstra did recognize that running is their greatest (offensive) strength.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes, Shock Exchange is on point with this. Basketball Defense at the NBA level was not given much attention until the 88-89 Pistons proved that was a way to beat the best players in the league (Isiah Thomas and those Pistons beat Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson in 89 and only lost 2 games in the process —- that opened everyone’s eyes to defense), since then it has grown by leaps and bounds and the NBA has had to change their rules to benefit the offense almost yearly because of it.

  • pposse

    the heats record indicates that too, how did scoring 100 against the clippers work out? This is the regular season, we all know they are going to switch it up in the playoffs. I promise if they win, its cause Lebron re-asserted himself in the post. Anytime you play run n gun you promote the other team to take quick shots the same way your team takes them, giving an inferior team confidence and ultimately a punchers shot for the W. Your right tho, a run and gun style might be less destructive to ones body in an 82 game season. But, any team with Dwight and great individual scorers who live for ‘pressure’ moments should slow the game down and run half court sets, slowly and methodically rip them a part so even playoff teams going in to face them know they cant win. These guys should be playing chess with their opponents not checkers. Antwan Jamison is a scrub when it comes to playing on good teams, nothing will change that.

  • roscoe

    I am going to be the only “contrarian” on this, but imo d’antoni is going to have LAL playing top 5 team defense in the league at season’s end. Mark my word.

  • Ben Ireland

    I’m not arguing defense doesn’t win chips, or anything, but those Pistons teams were brutal too… They won, but they won ugly, and alot of the time, with dirty plays. I would rather watch MJ and Pippen pressure full court over that rough style. There’s a way to play D too, and I think the Lakers could potentially bring a new style. Kobe’s not what he used to be, but when motivated, he is still a lockdown defender for a few possessions every game. Nash won’t be of course, but he could be used as a bait to lead his man straight into Dwight? And Dwight’s a wall, he’ll have fun picking up after Nash anyway. Pau’s underrated, and Artest might be the only guy able to deal with Lebron physically. I’d say the Lakers don’t really need to be coached into a specific style, at least at first, they could be good defensively simply because of their personel.

  • Redd

    Can’t take Shock serious, as much as he just dropped a gem, when not in the 3rd person anymore.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Heat this season have been playing God Awful defense. That’s why they have lost a few games despite high scoring totals. Correct me if i’m wrong, but expecting Spoelstra to figure a defense that features Ray “i can’t stay infront of a fire hydrant” Allen and Rashard Lewis out right away is, uhm, nuts.
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    And you want the Lakers to play Chess, with an offense featuring Dwight Howard? You do realize how smart you have to be to play effectively in the triangle? Why do you think that offense, with Dwight can out-think teams and beat them that way? —- and pounding a team inside is a great strategy in theory, but it also means the Lakers will have less offensive possessions, it will strip Steve Nash of pretty much every trait that separates him as a player from anyone else, and forces Dwight to learn THE TRIANGLE ON THE FLY all while he has an expiring contract.
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    And if you need proof that a high paced team can find success, just look at the 09 Magic. Who took the Lakers to 6 games in the finals, with Hedo f*cking Turkoglu as it’s best perimeter player…..now, a team built around Dwight has 2 perimeter players who are much better than Turk was offensively, with a secondary post player, who is actually better than Dwight. — the only way to look at this Lakers situation is optimistically imo.

  • Redd

    Lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    gotta learn to look at every comment as a completely separate entity unto itself. Shock is crazy a lot of the times, but underneath that, he knows basketball, and is pretty well versed in it’s history. His narcissism is the real problem. But when that is removed, he’s an asset as a commenter.

  • yann blavec

    i’m french. i live 50 miles from normandy, where you guys landed in 44. one of the reasons i love the nba is because it comes from the land of the free, home of the brave. i don’t like tp, i don’t like dirk. i don’t like europeans. that’s the reason why i say lalaland would have been better with P-Jax than with d’antoni.

  • yann blavec

    play basket-ball as it’s played in sainte-mère-l’église !

  • Junior Taylor

    It’s damn near impossible to be a run/gun team and a great defensive team at the same time. It takes too much out and is too much to ask any team let alone an older team like the lakers to have the kind of energy and stamina needed to run/gun on one end and get stops consistently on the other.

  • Redd

    Lol, stupid internet doesn’t show sarcasm. But I was being sarcastic, you’re right that was a nice gem.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha my bad

  • Redd

    Na, don’t worry, wasn’t trying to come off as insulting you for not catching it either cause usually we get at Shock always.

  • LakeShow

    Let’s plaaaaaaaaay BALL!

  • LakeShow

    By D’Antoni you mean Dwight right?

  • LakeShow

    Showtime™ Basketball won allot of games my friend.

  • LakeShow

    Preach.

  • LakeShow

    Gottt Damn your on a tear this morning.

    Do you think Blake will stay first back up to Nash?

    You never know with D’Antoni. Blake might not play again this year because of his relationship and success he had with Duhon.

    Out of everyone on this team, i’m hoping his new system helps Jodie Meeks the most, because that guy is a talented shooter and just needs to get open looks to help this team out with spacing. I think he might play well next to Nash, Kobe and Dwight and Gasol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Just left for my lunch break, I’ll get into this with you in about an hour. Didn’t want to make you wait on a response

  • Lorne

    That’s pretty much the best explanantion of Shock I’ve read on here. 100% on point.

  • LakeShow

    I still feel your viewing it relatively. If you score 115 points but give up 110 is that bad defense or good defense? I would call that good defense no matter the context, because your not allowing that team to score more than you.

  • pposse

    your such a fanboy. I guess this is what happens when you dont make the lakers cheerleading squad.

  • LakeShow

    “The only time Jodie Meeks needs to shoot the ball is when he’s get it.”
    -Mike D’Antoni

    LMAO, I love it

  • pposse

    this teams success is based on championships, not finals appearances. If Dwight can’t learn an offense from a sport that he has played since he was a young kid, something that he has dedicated himself to longer than yourself me and 10 other commenters on here combined then he doesn’t deserve to be in the nba. Either you are grossly underestimating this guys IQ or i should start to believe that the triangle offense is comparable to quantum physics. Yes i do want them to play chess..one of the reasons i always respected the way Phil Jackson teams performed was the build up throughout the game and how most would end with a climax right at the very end. And the Heat’s defense is a direct result of their uptempo style of offense they are playing. When they play fast they get sloppy…Lebron spoke about it last year, he said I just want to get back to my ‘habits’ – Lebron in Cleveland was always a half court player, he got back to those roots and won a chip. Kobe is a half court ball player and stil the best on that team, Dwight NEEDS to become one.

  • LakeShow

    I made it. I’m the cute blonde leading the leg kick routines.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    blahblahblahblah ignorant assumption after ignorant assumption.

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    The Triangle is not simple. It is not something a guy can just pick up. Why the f*ck do you think there are only 2 coaches (3 if you count Kurt Rambis) who teach the triangle? If it were so simple, EVERYONE would do it. —- And if you look at history, no team that runs a triangle has ever won a championship on the first try. So again, Jackson, if you want to focus on past history to tell you anything, would NOT have won a championship this year. So certainly, it is safe to say, in the first season, Mike D’Antoni has the same chance at winning a title as Jackson.

    . “And the Heat’s defense is a direct result of their uptempo style of offense they are playing. When they play fast they get sloppy…”

    —- WRONG. BLATANTLY WRONG. Ignorant ASSUMPTION. Look up stuff before you just say it, i am not a fan of arguing stupid points. The Heat are actually more efficient offensively this season. there turnover % is down 1.4%, their true shooting % is up .548% up from .503% last season, their offensive rating is a staggering 112.3, up from 106.6 last season. The problem is with their defense, which has nothing to do with the faster pace the team is playing, but EVERYTHING to do with their new personnel and the perceived health issues to Dwyane Wade.

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    And would you stop saying “Lebron in Cleveland was always a half court player, he got back to those roots and won a chip.” that sh*t is ignorant too. The Heat actually sped up their pace last season. Not slowed it down.

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    Please, try and figure out if what you are saying is even kind of accurate. This sh*t is tedious, and shouldn’t have to be said. This should be known, given the CLAIMS you are making.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok about the Steve Blake thing…..
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    Remember how Kobe visited Hakeem so he could have more post success in the triangle?
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    Well, now he needs to learn how to master the PnR. So, who would he go to for lessons?
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    Steve Nash? — Well good! that’s his teammate……given that this is established, let’s look at the Strengths of Steve Blake
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    Shooting.
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    Ok that took a while, lol. Let’s look at it like this, Blake will play with Kobe, and be a pseudo 2 guard on offense, letting Kobe handle PnR’s while Blake stretches the floor. So yes, in essence i believe he will still be the first guard off the bench. — But I don’t really consider him “Nash’s” backup, as much as he is Kobe’s while Kobe plays the roll of Nash for short stretches. I do think Duhon will get considerable amount of time, and Jodie Meeks, if he can prove to hit 3′s at a higher than 36% clip, will also see time. But Blake makes the most sense next to Kobe, because he CAN handle PG duties, and he CAN kind of defend PG’s. While Meeks is a SG through and through, and Duhon really isn’t a threat to do anything but distribute. Which isn’t really needed if Kobe’s on the court. (even though he will be used).
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    Get where I’m coming from?

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, I feel ya. Seems at that rate though you might as well have Meeks playing the PG position with Kobe running the PG duties, just because of his shooting, but Blake when he is on, can light it up also. Blake is better at guarding 1′s also i’d assume. The Lakers just don’t have allot of good 3 point shooters so I feel like we need to take advantage of Meeks because of that. Kobe isn’t going to keep nailing 3′s at 45% or whatever lol. I know that Nash and Dwight both play best while having 3 point threats on the perimeter, so i’m just trying to figure out how they’re gunna make that happen. I wouldn’t mind Kobe at the 3 spot a little more often either…
    One thing I hope and am sure of is that Darius Morris will be rendered to the end of the bench. He might not even play again this season lol.

  • pposse

    your impossible. You already got called out numerous times over and over for calling others ignorant, its clear you can’t keep your composure, i dont care if you behind a computer or not i see right thru u. You act as if there is not a push pull with offense and defense. Watch what happens when the playoffs come around, this 116 ppg or whatever u are saying will go down to 85 and lebron will take his talents to the post. Phil Jackson would have been returning to a team where exactly 3 starters have already ran the triangle for a hefty amount of their bball playing careers. Child Please! Like I said, its not quantum physics, if you are so damn knowledgeable about the triangle then believe me dwight can and will be too. Im not the only one who said championship or bust, ask kobe, dantoni or any laker personnell fan, slam poster anyone what it is.

  • pposse

    well you atleast fit into one stereotype..blondes are truly as dumb as they have been historically advertised.

  • LakeShow

    They also know how to have fun!

  • BuenoWayno1

    ……….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just like i told the last person who got all ass-hurt, i am not calling you ignorant, i’m saying the things you are saying are ignorant. because you OBVIOUSLY, don’t know what your talking about, you just think you are making sense.
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    “You act as if there is not a push pull with offense and defense. Watch what happens when the playoffs come around, this 116 ppg or whatever u are saying will go down to 85 and lebron will take his talents to the post”

    —- Once again, the Heat were 11-0 when scoring over 100 points in the playoffs. 5-7 when scoring less than 100. The team is better the faster they play. To argue otherwise, is IGNORANT. Or stupid. You can pick.

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    Why do you keep acting like i said the Lakers aren’t trying to win a championship? Or that not winning one will be a successful season? You are just making more ASSUMPTIONS, and then using them to support some wild argument that only proves you don’t know what your talking about.

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    All I said was, D’Antoni has THE SAME chance as Phil Jackson to win a title in the first year. That’s the only thing i’ve said about those two this season. And I listed a whole bunch of completely factual and logical reasons to back it up. You on the other hand, have done the complete opposite.

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    And again, you can believe whatever you want about the triangle, but facts are facts, no TEAM has ever picked it up in it’s first try. Even if some of the members of that team have done it before (hello 2009 Lakers.)
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    You don’t see through me, you see me. I’m clear about my argument. And honest about what I’m saying. I have already told you I’m not a fan of ignorant arguments. And I have already told you and countless other people on this website that I am not going to hesitate to tell you how I feel. If that hurts your feelings? That’s not really my problem.

  • roscoe

    your splitting hairs… d’antoni… dh12… lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and you try and call me out for saying your argument is ignorant and go around calling people dumb. you need to check yourself. hypocrite ass bullsh*t.

  • Junior Taylor

    Lake, I feel ya but great offense comes and goes while great defense seems to be a constant. You can not expect to outscore teams especially come playoff-time when the game tends to slow down and is played more in a half-court setting.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you gotta realize though, Blake is a better shooter than Meeks. Which is Meeks only perceived advantage in a PG type roll, right?

  • pposse

    i would feel threatened two on 1 but i remember how someone so eloquently put it that nbk and lakeshow are one in the same person

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They actually said that about Caboose. But it’s cool, pick whatever person is agreeing with me on that day. What is another ignorant assumption ontop of the others anyway?

  • LakeShow

    Suns were my favorite team to watch when they had Nash. I love their style, tempo, and can’t wait to see LA playing THROW BACK Showtime.
    I might be different than most Lakers fans, but most of them that I know love showtime… which is run n gun.

  • pposse

    my original post stated that no run n gun team has won the chip in the past 22 years. You stated that every team that won has had great defenses, i stated that every team with great defenses who did win did not implement a run n gun offense but rather featured post play more or less, and you refer to my argument as ignorant. That is a condensed version of everything.

  • LakeShow

    Man if we were the same person… We’d be the most psychologically f*cked person in the world. Taking split personalities to new levels lol.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah your probably right.
    Meeks just looks so much better shooting the ball lol.
    Blake is hitting the 3 twice as often as Meeks thus far.. But I see Meeks eventually playing an important role for the team. Seems like D’Antoni can get something outta Jamison also. Although he has never been a “great” 3 point shooter, he can drag out defenses from the 4 spot, allowing more space for Nash and Dwight to P n R or a Pau or Kobe post up.

  • mhm

    mhm

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that is a stupid version of everything, not a condensed version. to condense some thing, you can’t leave out key points that shape the entire argument.

    . anyway, i referred to PARTS of your argument as ignorant (what you said about the Heat, LeBron in the playoffs, the Triangle, being examples) . Not the whole thing. But way to lump everything together like it’s that cut and dry. That was cute. this is like arguing with a 15 year old. you get your feelings hurt and lose all ability to reason or what? —

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    and you keep focusing on the fact that a “run and gun” team hasn’t won a title in the last 22 years. let’s forget about the complete lack of actual “run and gun” teams in that period (before D’Antoni in Phoenix in 2005, the only coach that ran a run and gun system was Don Nelson, and he never had anything remotely close to championship talent). So you are really look at 4 of the last 22 years where there was even a run and gun team worth contemplating as championship caliber. — if you have actually been paying attention the last 7 years, you would have to admit D’Antoni and those Suns teams started a renaissance that has changed basketball. It has contributed to the direction the league is going, and has influenced the rule changes that have folllowed. But let’s ignore that, because what happened 22 years ago is SO much more important.

    . And after all of this, you keep calling these Lakers “run and gun” when I have repeatedly told you they will not be. They will play at a faster pace, granted, but they will not be “run and gun” —–

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    regardless, the reason Run & Gun teams weren’t around / “didn’t have success” in the 90s is totally different and unrelated to why they are now starting to pop up and actually have success. the rules have changed. drastically. the types of teams that have success given that fact, will presumably follow suit.

  • wet

    they are going to give up more points than most teams. But you have to factor in there are going to be a ton more possessions for them to defend.

  • LakeShow

    Did the Suns falter because of their defense or offense? Which do you think Taylor?
    I think it was their defense and I think the Lakers are more equipped defensively to make sure that doesn’t happen this time around with D’Antoni. Kobe, Artest and Howard will form a decent defensive trio and Nash, Kobe, and D’Antoni are offensive brainiacs.
    I just think they might show us what a team can look like that scores allot and can put the clamps down when needed.

  • Junior Taylor

    their defense. Of course the Lakers are going to be better than the Suns were defensively simply because of Howard but employing a fast-paced system with such an old team seems like a bad call and plays right into the hands of teams like SA, OKC, LAC and MIA.

  • zogs19994

    LOOOLTHIS NlGGA HAVE OVER 1500 COMMENTS AND THEIR ALL MASSIVE PARAGRAPHS….. GET A LIFE SON
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  • LakeShow

    It’s only fast paced for as long as Nash deems it to be. He is going to push the ball and if no one shows up down on the break they will set up their offense.

    Think “swift” more than ” fast pace.”

    They want to execute smoothly and quickly. It’s not so much about how fast you are as how smooth you are from the sounds of things from Mikey D. He wants Nash cutting through the lane and looking to dish while everyone is moving and keeping the flow of the game at a steady upward pace. They aren’t planning to run allot up and down the floor from the sounds of it. They just want a quick steady flow and pace.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They did go back and find my comments before the comment section switched and attributed them to my account. But yup, I don’t have a life. No job, house, family. Just a computer and keyboard….

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    BS. Bill Russell created the shot block and was laughed at for leaving his feet on defense. The reason field goal percentages were so horrible early on was because the strategy was take the first available shot. Defense was an afterthought for years. Ask Kiki or Rick Barry. Timely stops not stifling defense was the focus. Defense today is lightheaded ahead of what was played in the past.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Spurs last year. Run and gun and strong defense.

  • VanCityBBall

    Ok think of it this way, if there is any weakness in the lakers, it would be the bench. So why and how would you expect to play your starters the maximum amount of minutes if they are tired and ranout by “showtime”?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I mean if 7th in pace and 10th in defense really qualifies as “run and gun” and “strong defense” .
    Either way, they sure aren’t elite defensively. Which all 22 of the last 22 champs were if I’m not mistaken.

  • BuenoWayno1

    it’s going to be interesting to see how D’Antoni adapts his run n gun style with this Lakers roster. I can’t see the Lakers fully committing to the run n gun, they don’t have the depth or a young athletic core group of guys like the 06′ suns had.

  • Caboose

    I don’t even have the keyboard…it’s built into my computer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    won is past tense right?

  • candlewood jhay

    **a lot, not allot.

  • L Boogie

    TO ALL THE SLAM FORUM TROLLS….i told yall Kobe was gonna lead the league in scoring and i remember going on a hardcore rant about how you “punk- fairy wearing- ballet dancing knuckleheads” were writing Kobe OFF and how LEBRON was better becaue he won his shitty 52 game ring. SUCK IT! LAKERS GOING IN. Kobe is the BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA. Until lebron can do what Kobe does then ill back off but in the meantime imma PREACH.

  • Conor

    114 points without Nash. Day One.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    That’s a great point Allen–but can you clarify what you mean by “timely stops”?

  • Conor

    Yes. I agree with the Lockout-Championship-being-accompanied-by-an-asterix part, but LeBron has matched Present-day Kobe in many respects.

    Having said that, nobody in the League possesses anything close to Kobe’s arsenal & few match his understanding of the game. From an intellectual standpoint: Nash, Gasol, James, Paul, Rondo, and Garnett all do. But Kobe’s the only one who can really subject the game to his every whim.

    This year, thus far, has been Renaissance for him. His shots are mostly coming within the offence & that has translated to the vast improvement of the final frontier amongst his detractors: shooting percentage. His defence (Danny Green notwithstanding) has improved, as well.

    Once again, LA scored 114 without Nash. That is terrifying, even if it was against Phoenix.

  • Conor

    He meant that teams would select specific times during games to batten their hatches & play lockdown (as best they could), instead of it being a constant principle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    pierce posting up and wearing Kobe out was a pretty big factor though,

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Right.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    The idea that you only have to concentrate on defense when it is really important. Like what the Suns used to try to practice in the playoffs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    well that was before the league has changed right? well good luck to them

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man this comment is stupid for a myriad of reasons.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    since 1980, the West has won 16 championships. The East? 15.

  • LakeShow

    Thank you so so much.

  • pposse

    yah but post jordan era there’s been NY, NJ, Indiana, Miami, Boston, Orlando, Detroit all rep the east in the NBA Finals. In the West theres really only been LA, SA and DAL. OKC finally broke the norm last yr.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah because the East was a flaming dumpster fire from 1999-2004. And only top heavy from 2004-12. Not because the East was actually better, infact, it was much worse as a whole.
    Sent from right behind you.

  • pposse

    199-2004 was when i stopped watching the NBA, 2005 is when i started again. I won’t speak for that time period, but the perception is the West was far greater than the East from like 05-present (maybe 2011).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Up until last year look at the win % difference in Western Conference teams vs Eastern Conference. The West has been much stronger.

  • pposse

    i know the win % is up when comparing west vs. east, and there is no stat that can prove my point; but note that a regular season game is just that. To me, teams in the east are built to play 7 game series, thats why the so so teams in the west can go into places like boston or chicago and come out with victories, but wouldn’t necessarily win in a 7 game format.

  • Mr. BottomLine

    Showtime is all it is. A one-dimensional Run and Gun philosophy to outscore more than the opponent is short sighted because a well fortified, tough, established DEFENSE needs to be equally incorporated into that strategy. When it all counts and comes down to the wire, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

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