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Thursday, November 22nd, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  97 responses

New York Knicks Already Starting MVP Push for Carmelo Anthony


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

The first month of the season has yet to be completed, and the campaign to get Carmelo Anthony the first MVP award of his NBA career is already out in full force.

Most of the propaganda is emanating from the New York Knicks’ locker room, where teammates feel that ‘Melo is a completely different (and better) player this season.

The squad’s most famous fan, for what that’s worth, is also totally in the bag for Anthony.

Per the NY Post and Yahoo! Sports:

Tyson Chandler is banging the drums for Anthony’s MVP candidacy, saying Tuesday night he should be “at the top of the race’’ because of the Knicks’ record. [...] “He’s a completely different player this year,” Chandler said. “I think the USA (Olympic) experience did wonders for him being around those guys. I think he’s hungry to take it to the next level and win … He’s been at an incredibly high level his entire career as far as individual accomplishments,’’ Chandler said. “He’s ready to take it to the next level of leadership and winning. He’s doing all the little things it takes to actually win, practicing hard, focused on shootaround, playing defense, communicating on the basketball floor. He’s a real leader out there and it’s fun to watch.’’

Anthony credits Knicks coach Mike Woodson for bringing a more disciplined mindset to the team since he replaced Mike D’Antoni in March. “I know I can do [play defense],” Anthony said. “It’s not a matter of me not being able to do it. It was me just saying, ‘OK, I’m going to do it now.’ We have a coach that stays on me about it. There wasn’t a defensive system since I came to New York, but with Coach Woodson it was just a matter of putting our system in, having a full training camp.”

Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks are off to a tremendous start this season (8-2, giving them the best record in the Eastern Conference.) Not to be a buzzkill, but that’s all it is: a start.

New York still has to play 72 more games, to say nothing of the possible chemistry issues down the line. Serious MVP chatter — not just for Carmelo Anthony, but for anyone else in the NBA — is still a long ways away.

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  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    I’ve got a feeling that once Amare comes back they will revert back to the old Knicks. Carmelo is a monster playing the 4, but when Amare comes back they will have to move Anthony back to the 3. Unless they bring Amare of the bench with the second unit, but I seri

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    *Knicks*

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Unless he pulls a D-Rose move and carries the team to a better record than the Heat while doing almost everything on offense for his team, I don’t see it happening. Either LeBron, Durant with the way he’s rebounding and passing while still scoring, or CP3 will win the award.

  • Max

    Naah

  • shockexchange

    Melo is ballin’ outta control … playing defense, rebounding, making hustle plays, generally putting the Knicks on his back and saying “follow my lead.” The MVP talk is well-deserved.

  • Jose Suria

    He is one of my favorite players but still, too early to be talking abt MVP award… hope he keeps playin like that so he could win it

  • MUBWAR

    the King is averaging 25ppg 9.1rpg 6.7apg 1b and 1s on 52% shooting from the field and 44% from downtown while locking up 1 through 5. If this keeps up, nobody is sniffing the MVP trophy for a few seasons.

  • monkeyball

    I can see the Knicks trading Amare for a solid young 3 and spare parts. This would establish the organization’s commitment to the new Melo-as-4 offense and avoid chemistry issues. It also begins to deal with the following issue: no team starting Ronnie Brewer at the 3 is winning a championship.

  • shockexchange

    Agreed, too early to be talking MVP award … but then again this is the NYC – the “hype capital of the world.” Everything in NYC is great … (Alicia Keys voice) “Cause it happened in NY … NY … NYYYYYYYYYYY, Yeah! We love you NY!” *Drop mic* Cause I just kilt it!

  • Hursty

    He’s playing great. Nobody can deny this. But… It. Is. November.

  • shockexchange

    Only problem is that Melo can’t guard a “play-off caliber” 4. He proved that in Memphis.

  • roscoe

    MVP awards are propagandized marketing, future garage sale items, paper weights, and unnecessary.

    Get a ring melo… that is the only thing that means anything.

  • Hursty

    Wait, so David West isn’t a playoff calibre 4?

  • shockexchange

    Not a fair comparison … LeBron has the benefit of the “LeBron Rules … Keys to Stopping LeBron James.” However, if Melo keeps this up, he will be in the conversation.

  • Drig’r

    To be fair to him, nobody can stop Randolph. Even traditional 4s.

    However, this MVP talk is premature. So far, Kobe, CP3, Durant and LBJ deserve it more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    so he’s saying “I’m trying now.” lol good for him I guess. Undoubtedly though he is a blast to watch this year.

  • Robby

    Carmelo Anthony averaging 24ppg, 8rpg, 4apg… those are some mvp numbers and also his team record is the best in the league. The only player who is giving him competition is LeBron James.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    win

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    To be fair Marc Gasol tears up even the best defenders some games. Melo will be fine as long as Tyson is on the court.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    poor man’s Carlos Boozer (at this stage of his career in that system)

  • shockexchange

    Real Talk … Any MVP conversation has to be prefaced with “the most valuable player other than LeBron.” It’s totally unfair though because he has studied “The LeBron Rules … Keys to Stopping LeBron James.”

  • shockexchange

    However, Horry Jr, CP3, Durant and LBJ don’t play in (A. Keys voice) “NY … NY … NYYYYYYYYYYY, Yeah! We love you NY!” *Drop mic* Cause I just kilt it!

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    They play the same position. It’s a fair comparison.

  • shockexchange

    LBJ has an unfair advantage. The only way to stop him was captured in “The LeBron Rules” which he continues to master each day … Totally unfair.

  • Sam

    Meanwhile in South Beach Lebron James is averaging 24.5 PPG, 9.6 RPG, and 6.8 APG leading Miami Heat in scoring, rebounding, and assists. Get on that level Melo before you can be crowned MVP. It’s not gonna last in New York. Remember how the Knicks started last season when Melo was injured and Stadoumire had several back to back 30+ points games? When Stadoumire comes back it’s gonna be the same old NYK. Melo and Stadoumire can’t exist together.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    There is no way they can trade Amare with that contract. Noby will even take his UNINSURED contract for spare parts.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    Here we go with the ” LeBron Rules” bullshit. Blah blah blah

  • bigA

    Stop spamming shock!

  • http://twitter.com/_DFrance DFrance

    Since its too early for this discussion lets all take a gander at Austin Rivers shooting form. Not really “coaches son” technique. lol

  • http://twitter.com/_DFrance DFrance

    They’re just gonna end up doing what they did with MJ. Get tired of giving it to the same guy and throw it someone elses way one year.

  • Junior Taylor

    The only player is LeBron? How is that when KD is putting up 25/10/5 with 2spg and 1.3bpg on 50/44/88 shooting? It’s realistically a 2-man race between KD/LeBron and will stay that way for some time.

  • Junior Taylor

    Melo deserves to be in the convo but the top-2 candidates should be LeBron and KD. Similar team records and impact on the game.

  • shockexchange

    By “spamming” do you mean “telling the truth?”

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange takes humbrage … especially coming from TheBlackRickyDavis aka, “The One Man Triple Double”

  • Slick Ric

    I’ll give it to lebron right now but dont sleep on KD, the man is developing his all-around game and if it continues to get better….best player in the league.

  • Conor

    He does NOT “lock up” everybody from point guard to centre. He guards them. Sometimes he guards them well, but most of the time, they give him buckets or aren’t even an offensive option for the opposing team. I’m tired of how overrated James is as a man-to-man defender.

    ESPN, and its sheep, is the Fox News of sports. James is their Romney (though he is obviously deserving, as an offensive magician & help defender, of the praise).

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    dafuq outta here with calling him “the King”, u ball sniffer. Though I do agree with you from a statistical standpoint.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    okay ,shockexchange, okay.

  • Chukaz

    My favorite part of the “he locks up 1 thru 5″ is that he doesn’t even guard 4s and 5s. Bosh takes the 5 and battier takes the 4. When he does D up 4s its always the scrubs. How often does LeBron play without at least 2 of the Bosh Haslem Battier group? The man can lock up 1-3. Exaggerating and saying he does things he doesn’t only takes away from his accomplishments.

  • MUBWAR

    im not gonna lie conor lbj doesn’t lock up most 4 and 5′s these days like last year but it’s spo job to figure different things. this season he is mostly guarding 1 through 3 mostly. Last night alone, in the 3rd he was guarding Elis and in the 4th Jennings.

  • MUBWAR

    MJ lost to Barkley that 1 time and im sorry Melo is not the Sir Charles who put up 25 12.5r 5a 1b and 1.6s that season and made all the way to the Finals against MJ himself. Besides Melo, the top 5 players on the 2003 draft all have rings

  • TSmoove

    I feel like they already did that with D.Rose

  • danpowers

    mmmhhh

  • Ben Ireland

    I know I’m gonna regret this…. But what are the LeBron rules exactly?
    Also, Melo should be in the conversation. Doubt he’ll win, but he’s been awesome so far.

  • Matt

    It’s ugly as hell, but he gets amazing elevation and has a quick, consistent release.

  • danpowers

    yup

  • Matt

    No, I think that the Knicks will be able to do it. The Knicks are running more off-ball screens and using ‘Melo as a playmaker from the high and low posts (esp. high though). The Knicks can follow the Grizzlies offense and utilize ‘Melo in the same way that Gasol is utilized.

    The Grizzlies had bad spacing last season and combated that by using Gasol in the high post as well as a lot of off-ball screening and cutting to create momentary space. And this was last year when the Grizzlies had maybe one reliable shooter on the perimeter. Looking at this year, they are using Gasol in the same way, but because of Ellington and Bayless’ hot shooting (and pump-faking, drawing defenders, and kicking it out), they are spacing the floor extremely well. This has translated into one of the L’s best offenses thus far.

    http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0501/play_diagram2_576.jpg

    Looking at the diagram, Felton can sub for Conley while Smith can sub for Gay. Chandler can stand in for Z-Bo (no jumpshooting necessary). Have Amar’e stand on the strong-side corner (Conley’s side in the first pic) and have him cut to the high post when Chandler ducks in and ‘Melo hits Chandler with a high-low pass. This will help prevent Amare’s man from helping onto Chandler. Amar’e also has the option of cutting across the baseline instead, get a cross-screen from Chandler, receive the ball into a post-up, and then have ‘Melo cut to the basket from the high post afterwards. Felton can also run the PNR early w/ Chandler…
    And then there are a lot of variations out of this. Of course, this is all theory and there are still spacing issues w/ this, esp. having Amar’e stand on the strong-side corner.
    Basically, what i’m saying is that ‘Melo’s improved mindset/passing allows for him to be used as the main cog in the Knicks offense. However, he’s not as good of a passer as Gasol and putting Stoudemire on the strong-side enables his man to help out on the dribble-handoff and force a skip pass… It also makes Stoudemire only a cutter when he should really be used early in possessions in the PNR. Damn, this is a head-scratcher… Hopefully Woodson will be able to figure this out.

  • Whoareyou

    @chukaz:disqus Educate yourself: http://youtu.be/AV3O94yv4vc

  • Marcus

    Exactly. Should Melo be in the MVP conversation at this moment? Absolutely. Will he win it? Depends if he keeps playing at this level and how far he takes the Knicks with him. If the Knicks go deep into the playoffs and maybe win it all then you can’t deny him that award.

  • Cole

    I know their record isn’t good right now, but if you haven’t noticed Kobe is balling right now. He’s shooting high percentages in every category, 53.1/41.8/87.6 and averaging 27/5/5 with 1.5 steals. If he keeps up those numbers and the Lakers get it together he’s a contender, at the least to make up for the MVP Steve Nash robbed him of in ’06.

  • LobCity

    LeBron, Durant, CP3, Kobe etc. deserve to be in the conversation….Melo is averaging 24 and 7 w/ no D….They might want to wait more than a month before getting him in any conversation.

  • http://twitter.com/iskolares Edcel Ceniza

    couldn’t agree more. the NBA just wanted to get out of the way of the “fan rage” due to the decision so they gave the award to Rose :)

  • Drig’r

    Um………No D??? If Kobe deserves to be in the discussion, then so does Melo. He’s showing more effort on D than the last 1&1/2 seasons in NYK combined!

  • k

    rondo

  • Bored

    someone has not been watching the games this year. by someone i mean you dude

  • Bored

    i shoot the same way nearly. its from trying to shoot like a pro from a young age. shooting over your head when youre not strong enough is the main cause i believe.

  • Bored

    Ronnie Brewer is great

  • Bored

    pffft

  • http://twitter.com/StroopWaffles Stroops

    Melo has zero chance at MVP. LeBron will have a MUCH better season than him and already is. If anyone else will win it, it’ll probably be Durant. Melo will just average his usual high points per game on a low shooting percentage. But hes playing much better this year. Not nearly MVP material though. Dont kid yourself. I wouldnt mind to see him win it though I love Melo.

  • http://twitter.com/StroopWaffles Stroops

    Going to be hilarious when Amare comes back and ruins their team again. Too funny how they’re always 50x better when Amare is out. Must suck for him to sit there watching how much better they clearly are without him.. lol. Poor guy

  • O

    Remember when heads was saying Amare should be in the MVP convo in his first season with the Knicks and they were winning?! Melo is having a hell of a start to the season and playing good D, but we have to let the year play out and see if he’s still worthy.

  • http://twitter.com/StroopWaffles Stroops

    Also Melo is pathetic when he talks about defense… dude gets D’antoni fired and then now that he has a new coach hes like oh ok I’ll actually try now. I know I can play defense I juts didnt feel like it until D’antoni was fired. This league is turning into a bunch of diva’s. Its pathetic what happened to real basketball

  • Dagger

    As long as there are significantly better players on teams with equal (or, eventually, better) records, Melo won’t sniff an MVP award.

  • pposse

    laughable statement

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Only way he gets it is if the Knicks end up with a better record than the Heat and Thunder–even then, I’d still give it to LeBron. That being said, he’s having a great season and the Knicks are winning, so praise isn’t unwarranted.

  • http://twitter.com/ecvill11 Edmond Villanueva

    Is he shooting or passing?

  • Datkid

    LBJ is the only player who can lock up both Derrick Rose and Pau Gasol lol… saying he can lock up elite players from 1-5 isn’t an exaggeration. it’s the truth. The only Big men Lebron probably can’t guard are dirk and dwight. The only PG’s he can’t guard are CP3 and Dwill. So only the best of the best of the best realistically “give him buckets”

  • Jaaay

    He has to get past LeBron first but he’s definitely a second choice.

  • Drig’r

    Actually, he stopped Pau for 2 possessions. Pretty sure Pau would score over Bron 6 times outta 10 in the post.

  • russian guy

    I don’t see CP3 winning it,not because he couldn’t,but the way he handles the games.He tries to get the offense going and get others involved during the first 40 minutes and dominates the last 8.Also,unlike Rondo,he doesn’t push his assist stats by passiing up open shots or even layups sometimes.Maybe if the Clippers win the most games in the league.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    They gave Rose the award because he carried the offense almost by himself of a 1st place 62 win team that was predicted to finish 4th in the Conference that season.

  • pops

    Your last sentence doesn’t really mean much anymore considering 3 of them are on the same team. Now if they were still each on separate teams than that would have some meaning.

  • danpowers

    his scoring and fg% would be way up if refs would just call the half of the fouls he is drawing this season. i dunno whats wrong there but ive never seen refs refusing to give him calls like this b4

  • 23

    Rose had a good season that year, obviously. But that was clearly a snub to LeBron for the decision. The media had labeled Rose the Anti-LeBron. Humbled, clutch, young, hometown kid. Basically everything they thought LeBron wasn’t. Look at last REGULAR season. Rose-less bulls got it done against some good teams. His supporting cast wasn’t that bad. Plus that team was VERY VERY well coached.

  • 23

    Melo is not in LeBron/wades class. How many times has he lead his team into a deep playoff run?

  • robb

    Nobody’s at Lebron’s level but Melo’s been playing better than Wade

  • LobCity

    umm….First of all, my D comment was regarding Melo. You’re making the assumption that by critiquing Melo’s D that the players I mentioned play good D. That’s not the case, I mentioned those players because they contribute more to their teams success. Second, the Knick’s success appears to be a product of the new players more than Melo. What else in new with Melo? Unless you’re suggesting this new “effort” is the key to their success? Lastly, “effort” is nice, still doesn’t mean you play good, SMART D.

  • LobCity

    Clever……If you think Melo deserves to be in the MVP conversation then someone has not been watching CP3, Durant, Lebron and Kobe this year. By someone I mean you.

  • Drig’r

    I’m arguably the biggest Kobe homer on here. Kobe has not played very good defense for most games this season. He’s been passable at best. And that’s because he doesn’t put effort in just like the rest of the Lakers. Melo’s just like Kobe in that regard. He’s not Tony Allen level defensive player but when he works hard, he’s an above average defender who can defend 2-4 quite well.

    I have only watched 4 games of the Knicks and Melo not ballstopping like he used to and driving the ball to the hoop has done wonders to the Knicks’ spacing issues. He’s also passing the ball better. Melo has benefited from the ridiculous long range shooting the team currently has JUST LIKE LeBron.

    He’s not the front-runner but he deserves to be in the MVP talks. Esp. if he leads the team to a better record than the Heatles.

  • Drig’r

    Tell me why Kobe deserves to be in the MVP discussion while Melo shouldn’t.

  • LobCity

    Again, I never said Kobe was good at D, that was the main point of my previous post. The players I mentioned were more valuable overall (IMO).

  • LobCity

    I don’t even like Kobe. But I do recognize that his play impacts the success and failure of his team significantly. Therefore making him VALUABLE. If you ask me, I see it as LeBron’s award with CP3 right behind him and KD in that same conversation. I merely added to Kobe to signify how far back I think Melo is in the discussion, again, in my opinion. So if you think Melo and Kobe are on the same level this season, fine. But I think both are far behind the LeBron, CP3, and KD so far. The biggest issue with even mentioning him is that it’s only been a month.

    I respect people’s opinions, but I have the right completely disagree. That’s all.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The shock factor of what Rose did was the main reason why he won the award over anything. Not The Decision. The Bulls beat the Heat all 3 times they played that season and they had a great record against the other good/great teams in the league while the Heat struggled against the other great teams. While The Decision may have played a part in it, Rose’s play was the biggest reason he won the award. If Dwight Howard had led the Magic to the best record in the conference, he would have won the award. Had LeBron and Wade learned how to play together faster and had a better record than the Bulls, Bron would have won it. What gets lost is the Bulls record with Rose last season…32-7. Some folks talk as if their record without him was better than their record with him. It’s easy to beat good teams without your star during the regular season especially with the wild schedule they played last season. So many factors come into play during the regular season that don’t come into play during the playoffs. We saw the real Bulls without Rose during the playoffs. In the playoffs against the 8th seed they lost. Rose makes them the best regular season team in the East capable of challenging the Heat in the Conference Finals. Without him, they’re a 1st round exit type of squad. They can be as well coached as possible, but without their superstar, they’re nothing but a good regular season team who can’t score the ball enough to win in the postseason.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    And that wasn’t just a good season from him…it was a great season. 25 points, almost 8 assists, 4 rebounds.

  • 23

    ” It’s easy to beat good teams without your star during the regular season”. That statement makes your whole paragraph worthless. Don’t care how possible it is, or more likely during a lockout year, it is never easy.

  • 23

    I was talking career wise. Melo can’t touch them. But melo has been playing better than wade, although I think its clear that wade is declining due to battling injuries .

  • 23

    It was a great season statistically for rose. But if LeBron put up those numbers, it would be considered a disappointment. The bar for LeBron is higher for LeBron because he is the best, player on earth. His team could get passed new York last playoffs, but I think they lose to Indiana. The bulls, EVEN WITH ROSE, don’t stand a chance to win a title while LeBron is in the east.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The Heat without LeBron would still be a top 3 team in the East capable of winning a championship built around a healthy D-Wade and Chris Bosh. The Bulls without Rose can’t get past the 1st round.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It is easy in the regular season. Teams playing 3 games in 3 days are usually tired and worn out on that 3rd night. It can be easy to beat them. We see great teams get blown out sometimes by bad teams without any stars let alone superstars. It happens. Injuries, guys sitting out for various reasons, little time for rest, all of these factors come into play during the regular season. During the playoffs, playing one team every other night or so, you zone in on a team and 9 times out of 10, the best team wins.

  • 23

    You are missing my point. Without LeBron, the heat are still a good team, IF WADE MAGICALLY STAYED HEALTHY. But they aren’t serious contenders to win it all. LeBron makes them the favorites. Chicago, EVEN WITH A FULLY HEALTHY ROSE, is not a championship contender. LeBron makes his team championship favorites. Rose only makes his team a conference finalist, but not guaranteed.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    They are serious contenders to win it all with a healthy D-Wade. That is the point. With or without LeBron, they would be contenders. Without him, they would be in the group with the Lakers, Grizzlies, Clippers, Spurs and Thunder. With LeBron, they’re on another level by themselves. With Rose, Chicago is a top 4 team in the league capable of challenging the Heat in the Conference Finals. That makes them a contender. Conference finalists are championship contenders.

  • 23

    I guess that’s where we disagree. I don’t thinking making a conference finals makes you a legit championship contender. I don’t even think making a finals makes you a SERIOUS contender(see 2007 Cavaliers). They were not serious contenders at all. And a team where you have a PG who attempts to carry the load single handedly has no LEGITIMATE shot at a ring. That’s why i don’t consider them serious contenders. Rose doesn’t have it in him to successfully drag a team to a ring. He relied too much on athleticism. He was not like DWill who had the skillset to maximize boozers potential. And his shot selection is questionable at times. I understand he is by far the bulls best player, but I doubt buy that he has to do everything. But he only CHOOSES to do so. because hes not capable of making his teammates better like other elite PGs.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Being one of the 4 teams left out of 30 makes a team a championship contender to me. Going by your definition, only one team is a contender and that’s whatever team wins. People always say something can’t happen until it does. I would have loved to watch Rose and the Bulls go at Miami again in the Conference Finals again if Rose hadn’t have had an unfortunate injury. What plagued Rose was the incompetency on the offensive end by his teammates in that series. His efficiency was off because he was the only player capable of creating for himself and his teammates. Boozer was stealing money that whole season with how soft he played. That’s not on Rose. That’s on Boozer. He does have to do mostly everything on offense. This is a guy who had to be forced into scoring by his high school and college coaches. Coach Cal had to make him shoot in the NCAA Championship game of all games. So he’s not playing the way he does because he chooses to do so. He’s doing it because he has no perimeter help offensively and he has a center whose main job is to rebound and defend and another teammate who is an undersized soft power forward. Rip isn’t a creator, he’s a finisher. Deng plays hard and is a good two way player but he needs to be set up just like Rip. That leaves Rose with the responsibility of having to start and finish plays most of the time. I strongly disagree with the idea that Rose is incapable of making his teammates better. The only top PGs who do it better are Rondo, Paul, Williams and Nash. If you’re saying he doesn’t do it as well as those 4, I agree. But there’s not another top PG I didn’t mention who does it better than Rose. If you’re looking for a PG who chooses to try to do too much at times, look in Oklahoma City.

  • Drig’r

    Oh. My bad then. Even I think the MVP race is gonna be just like last season.

  • Bored

    i just meant, you saying Melo has played no D is obviously something you have missed because he has been. i agree with it being too early to talk about MVP’s though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no they wouldn’t. you know that.

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