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Monday, November 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am  |  250 responses

OKC Thunder Not Worried About Team Chemistry Without James Harden


Perhaps the OKC Thunder are still stunned by the James Harden trade to Houston, as they’ve gotten off to a slow start this season. But, to a man, the Thunder think they will be fine going forward. Despite the major shakeup, team chemistry isn’t and won’t be an issue in OKC, according to the Thunder. Per CBS Sports: “The Thunder made the decision not just to look toward the long-term plan when they traded Harden, but also to place that future in the hands of Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. General manager Sam Presti not only believes in his vision, but in his two young superstars as well. The core of the Thunder might be shaken, it might be rattled, but the mission remains unchanged. And the battery that powers this powerful Thunder team still runs strong. There was a certain tightness, an incredible closeness between the Thunder’s young core and losing a key piece like Harden should obviously disturb some of that togetherness and chemistry. The hole left by Harden’s departure might be unfilled — Kevin Martin’s locker is well away from Harden’s old digs — but Scott Brooks has no choice but to move his team forward and focus on the goal. ‘James [Harden] was a good player,” Brooks said. ‘Don’t get me wrong. But he wasn’t Dr. James. He wasn’t helping the group stick together. All the guys do. Russell, Kevin, down the line, Perk, Nick. All the guys. That’s what makes good teams … I’ve never once went into a practice or a game thinking ‘Oh my gosh, I’m really worried about our chemistry tonight,’ Brooks said. ‘[Chemistry] was never a question. It really wasn’t. I think when you talk about chemistry with our group and if you question it, I don’t think you’ve been around our group as long as I have.’ Martin summarized his view of fitting in with the Thunder simply after his first practice: ‘Talent isn’t the problem, it’s just going to be chemistry.’ […] ‘You can’t duplicate it,’ Westbrook said of chemistry, ‘but we have a group of guys that have been here for a while. We’re switching the team up a little bit but every year we’ve had a different team and we’ve found a way to incorporate guys and make sure everybody knows what it takes for us to win. So I don’t think that’s going to be a problem.’”

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  • Redd

    They gave up the wrong player.

  • danpowers

    who else should they have given away?

  • Caribbeancop

    Someone had to find something negative to say. i hope these batteries don’t lose power or expire before use

  • sportsfan

    Yeah they should have traded Westbrook.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    Everyone loves to hate on Westbrook, but when it comes down to it, they NEED his offense. Yes he’ll have awful games, but he’ll turn around and have huge ones right after. People also act like Harden would be putting up the same numbers with the Thunder that he is with the Rockets. Do you not understand that he wouldn’t get NEARLY as many touches had he stayed with the Thunder? OKC did what they had to do, and now they’re just trying to fill the scoring void. They’ll get it together soon, it’s just going to take a few games.

  • Redd

    Westbrook, they should’ve fished 1st rounders from a bottom seeded team.

  • LeroyShonuff

    The finals and playoffs proved that. They need Westbrook more than Harden. Certain things Westbrook does on the court allows that team to succeed, good and bad. They have a capable replacement in Martin and it’s not like they lost to some horrible teams, it was the spurs on a buzzer beater and to a very good hawks team.

  • http://www.facebook.com/justina.martin.547 Justina Martin

    Traded Westbrook? Are you crazy? Westbrook is one of the best PG’s in the NBA!! Everyone is going to have some bad games, but the fact is he still plays hard. Nobody complains when he puts up 32 points (Win against Portland). Harden left because he wanted more money and a starting role, but he is not going to put up 30 or 40 points everynight. Case in point, Houston lost to Portland, with Harden scoring 24 points. Martin is a good fit for OKC, he is a great scorer (28 points last night). Move on people, because what done is done, support the Thunder if you are in fact a true fan….THUNDER UP!!

  • shockexchange

    Just because they aren’t worried about team chemistry without Harden doesn’t mean it hasn’t declined.

  • uqk

    I still don’t understand why ibaka over harden, ibaka could easily replaced….with westbrook style of play ala DRose….injury waiting to happen. Harden is more on craftiness than athleticism.

  • JackPackage

    LOL, some of you people *rolls eyes*. James Harden is nowhere near as good as Russell Westbrook. I found it hard to believe that people thought Harden was a better player than Joe Johnson but thinking he is better than Westbrook? Wow, that’s full retard. I hate to imagine what would have happened if Harden had been traded to Portland. Him and Damian Lillard on the same team? You’d have people calling them better than Pippen/Jordan.

  • JackPackage

    Who would easily replace Ibaka? I’m intrigued as to why every team in the NBA hasn’t got this mythical player.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    Westbrook is an injury waiting to happen? How many games has he played, with absolutely NO serious injury or anything even close?

  • http://www.facebook.com/zer02hero15 James Franco Guerta

    Because good Big man that can defend the paint are rare.

  • Redd

    Thunder up? Are you a modern day power ranger?

    Westbrook is not a good player. He’s definitely not a smart player & he shouldn’t be hitting 32 points and taking more shots than the best scorer in the NBA. Westbrook is not a good fit.

  • Caboose

    Very good Hawks team? You mean the one without their 2 best players from last season?

  • Caboose

    Ibaka’s help defense is top 3 in the league. His one-on-one defense is average at best.

  • http://www.facebook.com/justina.martin.547 Justina Martin

    Modern day power ranger? Weird….No I am a fan of the Thunder and that is what a lot of fans say!!! Westbrook is a great player and is needed which was evident in the playoffs, which by the way Harden didn’t even show up at…It cracks me up how people like bash Westbrook when he is one of the most explosive players and will only get better. Him and Durant play great together and are fun to watch. I am a fan of Hardens but before that I am a fan of the Thunder!! If you are a fan maybe you shouldn’t be so negative about one of our key players. OH YEAH DID I MENTION THUNDER UP!!!!

  • PapiChulo

    The playoffs & the Finals actually proved the complete opposite. Westbrook struggled in the WCF & they were still able to beat a better overall team because of Harden’s play. The gap between Harden & Westbrook isn’t as big as people would like to think

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Martin isn’t a replacement for Harden. He’s a pure scorer. Does nothing else. Harden scores, rebounds, passes and defends. The Finals proved that without Harden, they can’t win a championship. Had he played well, it would have been a close series. Harden outplayed Ginobili in the Conference Finals. Without him, they would have most likely lost to the Spurs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    I agree that Martin isn’t the same caliber player that Harden is, but I also think you’re insane for saying that Harden was the difference maker in the Finals last year. Durant was the ONLY one that showed up for the Thunder in the Finals. Harden definitely would’ve helped, but he just isn’t/wasn’t the core player of the team. Durant was Batman, and Harden wasn’t even Robin. That was Westbrook’s role. Does it hurt their offense not having Harden around? Yes. Can they recover? Yes.

  • Redd

    Please retire the Thunder Up thing..that is incredibly obnoxious. Not trying to be rude or derail Thunder fans but seriously.

    Again, Westbrook is not a good fit. Durant needs the ball, even Wade who is still a better player than Westbrook, passes it up to Lebron when Bron is hot. KD gets hot and Westbrook takes 8 shots & misses 5 of them. The dude is not a smart player like Harden who would pass it up to the hot man or shoot when KD is being double teamed.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Westbrook and Durant both played well…Harden was the only part of that Big 3 who didn’t. Every analyst who has talked about that series says that it would have been a different series if Harden had shown up. Did you not watch Westbrook in Game 4? Durant wasn’t the only one who showed up in that series. The wild card was Harden. Westbrook is a great scorer, good defender at times and rebounds well. But he’s not a guy who’s going to get his teammates involved a lot while he scores. Harden is that guy. They can’t and won’t be the same team because you don’t substitute an all-around player for a scorer and think that you’re going to be the same team. It doesn’t work that way. Name one team who has inserted a scorer in a trade where they gave up an all-around player and they became a better team or stayed the same. Who’s going to pass to all of the scorers? Durant is now trying to do that which is why he’s turning the ball over. It’s not his place. Westbrook should be doing it. He’s not.

  • pposse

    westbrook hasn’t missed one game his entire basketball career; since hs days.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    “Certain things Westbrook does on the court allowed that team to succeed, good and bad.” How can a bad thing that a player does lead to success? The Hawks are a good team? Without Josh Smith playing in that game? Even with him, they’re below average.

  • danpowers

    come on. as much as i dislike shoot first point guards, he is the second biggest reason for the thunders success. if you trade westbrook, you would need to change the whole team structure. i think trading harden was the best thing they couldve done

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    I think Durant has actually been doing it pretty well, and Westbrook had 9 assists last night, but he was awful in every other category. Your argument would have more validity and I’d agree with you more if Harden averaged even 6 APG last year, but he DIDN’T. And I honestly don’t think he will average that with Houston this year. I think he’ll come close, but he’s not a pass-first player himself. Harden wasn’t the answer last year (although he certainly had a huge role on the team), and he wasn’t going to be this year. I’m not saying Kevin Martin is the answer either, but he brings consistent scoring and 3-point shooting, which is something that Harden struggled with last year. He was too hot and cold, not nearly reliable enough from 3-point range.

  • Redd

    I love shoot first PGs, especially ones with speed. But I hate dumb players, Westbrook is purely that. Again, Westbrook takes too many shots. He doesn’t pass well, he ISN’T good for OKC by any means. To say that team would do worse without him is grossly false.

    How can that be said with KD on the team taking more shots, how is that worse?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant is doing it pretty well? 5.3 turnovers a game so far is doing it pretty well to you? The assist numbers aren’t the only stats to look at when examining how a player gets his teammates the ball. Iverson averaged 6 assists a game in his career and there are plenty of people who still say that he was a selfish player. Just watch the games. If you watched, you would have seen how much better the offense ran when Harden was on the floor with Westbrook and Durant. Kevin Martin only scores. He has no interest in doing anything else. If anyone thinks that he is any kind of replacement for Harden only because he can score, they’re out of their minds.

  • LeroyShonuff

    I never said the gap was big, or any gap at all. In the terms how that team is structured and the nba, Westbrook is a higher commodity. Whether he is a pg or not, what Westbrook brings to the thunder can’t be easily replaced while what Harden brings can be replaced.

  • LeroyShonuff

    with Josh the hawks are a playoff team, without Josh they are not. “How can a bad thing that a player does lead to success?” When you take a player as a whole, you must view the good and bad. The good of Westbrook is he attacks relentlessly which allows Durant to get his his spots and opens up the floor for shooters and cutters. The bad is he attacks relentlessly and misses shooters and cutters with wild passes or no passes. Plus he ignores Durant. That’s what I mean by the good and the bad

  • LeroyShonuff

    Which two best players? Only Joe left and Horford is healthy. The Hawks will finish with a top 5 record in the East which makes them a very good nba team. Not saying they are world beaters, but they are very good.

  • LeroyShonuff

    So give us a trade scenario, where does Westbrook go and for whom while still maintaining the Thunder championship window?

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    Durant is struggling with turnovers, but for God’s sake he’s only 3 games into the season! That number will certainly go down. And I don’t think the team did well with all 3 in the game at the same time. They looked like no one knew who was supposed to take the shot. Now I think any combination of two of the three worked out well, but not all three at the same time. And why do we need Harden’s defense? We have Sefelosha for that, who is 3x the defender Harden is. His rebounding? What significant rebounding did he do? Let’s be honest, Harden is a scorer and a play maker. OKC will miss both, but not so much that they’re just lost without him. They’re already figuring it out, and they’ll only get better as the season progresses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/justina.martin.547 Justina Martin

    I do not know how “Thunder Up” is obnoxious, but I can see how it could be if I was not a fan of the Thunder. It sounds like you are Heat fan, so why are you worrying about what Westbrook brings to the Thunder? Why don’t everyone stop knocking Westbrook, because without him the Thunder wouldn’t of even made it to the playoffs last year and that is a fact regardless if you like it or not.

  • Caboose

    Josh didn’t play last night. And East: Miami, New York, Brooklyn, Indiana, Chicago, Boston, and Philly should all have better years than ATL.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    KD and Brook look sad

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    Because KD would be the ONLY offense they’d have if they got rid of Westbrook? I mean how stupid do you have to be to think that OKC would be better of without Westbrook? Now maybe if the argument was “Chris Paul instead of Westbrook”, or something similar to that I could see your point, but OKC would be an 8th seed in the West at BEST without Westbrook.

  • bike

    Harden was an indispensable replacement for Westbrook when he would go into those stretches where his play would get out of hand. Martin is not in Harden’s league. At. All.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    With Josh, they’re a 6 or 7 seed. In a weak Eastern Conference, that’s not all that impressive. I’m glad you pointed out that Westbrook ignores Durant because that’s a problem and when he’s not making shots, ignoring Durant becomes a huge problem.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You don’t have to think about it at all. If you watched them play, they all were in their comfort zones. Obvious to see. Harden creating for himself and others, Westbrook finishing plays which is what he does best, Durant the same. Without him, Westbrook now is supposed to start and finish plays for himself and others. He didn’t have to concern himself with getting Durant the ball much because Harden was giving both of them the ball in spots where they could be successful. They looked like they didn’t know who was supposed to take the shot? What games were you watching? With Sefolosha on the floor, you lose scoring. With Martin on the floor, you lose defense. With Harden, you get both. You’re underrating Harden. You talk as if you never watched the Thunder play. Who couldn’t see how dangerous they were with all three of those guys on the floor together? I’ve never heard anyone say that they looked like they were confused about who should shoot. Their “confusion” got them to the Finals after just 3 seasons of playing together. From 23 wins with Durant and Westbrook in 08-09 to the Conference Finals in Harden’s 2nd season and the Finals in his 3rd season. Yep, they were pretty confused playing together. Which is why they didn’t play well together at all, right?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Yes, Harden can be replaced…by Manu Ginobili…and no one else.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    Lol I live in Oklahoma City, I don’t miss a single Thunder game. I’m not saying they didn’t play well together, I’m saying they didn’t play well when all THREE were out there together. Go back and watch last season, because I think YOU were the one snoozing. First off, you’re insane if you talk about Harden giving the ball to Westbrook in scoring position. Westbrook is NOT a catch and shoot guard, and he never will be. Westbrook penetrates, and Westbrook pulls up and shoots. That’s his game, and when he’s on fire he’s the most unstoppable point guard in the league. When he’s out of control and sloppy (like he was last night), he’s a train wreck. Harden had NOTHING to do with Westbrook’s game, except as someone that Westbrook could dish the rock to. Harden was a great 6th man, we’ll miss his offense, but the scoring slack will be picked up by multiple people. Neither of us are getting anywhere with this argument, so I’m going to let this season speak for me. We’ll see who’s more right by the end of it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Look, if they didn’t want to amnesty Kendrick Perkins they HAD to trade Harden. I don’t like that they did it now, rather than trying to sign and trade him, or to milk him for what he was worth. If the trade made them worse this season, i don’t support it. Chances to win championships don’t grow on trees, you should take the chances you have. Without Harden, I don’t see OKC winning a title. BUT, they had to do something about his situation. He wasn’t going to stay, and frankly, was too good to take the offer they gave him. With that being said…..

    .

    Team chemistry is not the problem. They no longer have the ability, as a team, to overwhelm their opponents night in and night out. They don’t have 48 minutes of a guy relentlessly attacking them while they feature Durant scoring 27-30. Now, the team tempo is more geared towards what Durant gives (which isn’t necessarily bad), while Westbrook’s style of play is the featured artist (which is bad, he’ll give you a hit, but not a grammy). I support Westbrook shooting a lot of shots, he should on that team. But I don’t support him doing it in the way i think he will be forced too.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Josh not playing last night and the hawks still beating the thunder bolsters my point. Outside of the Heat and Celtics and Rose-less Bulls, the rest of the east is pretty even. I give the hawks a top 5 seed simply for divisional reasons. They get to beat up on the orlando and the bobcats while the sixers, nets, and knicks get each other. Add in Indy having a not as great year (won’t be as injury free as last year) then you have 6 teams that are pretty even. Atlanta roster as pieces look pretty meh, but when you put them together you have the nuggets of the east. They are better than advertised

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Pretty sad that you live there and couldn’t see how great those 3 played together. If they didn’t play well together, why were they on the floor at the end of games? You’re the only person who I’ve heard say that they didn’t all play well together. Harden cleaned up Westbrook’s mess when he played out of control, that’s what he had to do with his game. At the end of the season, the Thunder will be a top 4 team record wise and will lose in the Conference Finals to the Lakers.

  • biggieman

    It’s pretty obvious that Redd just hates Westbrook and can’t be told otherwise…. Westbrook is my favorite player and even I can agree that he frustrates the hell out of me with his decision making sometimes, but there is no question he has one of the biggest up-sides of anyone in the league. As far as Westbrook not being able to pass, he averaged 6 assists with Durant and Harden last year who both create their own shots 90% of the time. Watch his assists go up to 8-9 per game this season with Kevin Martin because he actually needs to be set up, and watching the game last night, Westbrook understands that, and is trying to get it to him in rhythm. Thunder will be fine and should hold their own against the west and meet the Lakers in a toss up series next May.

  • Redd

    That’s not actually a fact and just a theory, whether you like it or not. But my apologies I understand its a team thing. I appreciate you arguing respectfully with me just so it’s known. And I’m a Bulls fan.

    But again, it’s not cause of Westbrook.

  • Redd

    Um, yeah he got those assists cause he’s playing with KD and Harden.

    His decision making is horrible.

  • Redd

    They’d have Harden genius.

  • Redd

    Easily to Rubio straight forward. I believe Rubio has a rookie contract still. You save cap and get a better pg with upside.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    But why the hell would the Timberwolves agree to that deal? That’d be asinine for them to do that when they already have a point guard that can set up their scorers.

  • pposse

    under the new CBA westbrook could have demanded %30 of any teams payroll. Right now he makes %25 of the thunder payroll after signing the contract extension last season. If anything, the thunder would have had to trade for Rubio before Westbrook signed the extension and at that point (last year) you don’t know what you are getting in Ricky Rubio. Besides the T-Wolves are probably curious about Rubio as well and how much he can bring to a team and a much much lower cost.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The only players that Westbrook could be traded for have the last names
    Rose, Paul, Williams and Rondo. If he would be more controlled at times
    and not ignore that guy wearing the number 35 jersey on his team, there
    would be nothing for people to criticize.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    This.

  • LeroyShonuff

    “he’ll give you a hit, but not a grammy” so basically he’s rihanna not alicia keys. Great point. They have to amnesty Perkins. he brings absolutely nothing to the table expect defense on Dwight who btw isn’t a elite post scorer anyway. They should of amnestied perkins and signed harden to his max. You have Ibaka and Nick, that’s enough bigs. Plus Martin and Bird Man are always available

  • biggieman

    Redd I just saw on a post above that you are a Bulls fan… Which means that you are probably a big DRose fan. I am sorry to tell you that Westbrook and Rose are basically the same player, trade the two for each other and watch Rose do the same things you have been bashing on Westbrook for. Look at the stats and style of play; they are the same player, in fact Westbrook had equal stats to Rose in his MVP season two years ago. And that was as the second option on his team. The only difference is everyone loves DROSE and hates Westbrook, oh and that Westbrook hasn’t missed a game since middle school and Rose has already proved to be injury prone.

  • roscoe

    kd is a misguided leader. u just lost jharden.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if only George Karl was their coach.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DXRP4P4FNADVWUSV7AV7XC5NPE Unkown

    Trust me the Thunder will not win the playoffs this year..Harden is all around better player then Martin just check the stats..When OKC traded Harden they messed up big time..Wasnt their goal was to win the championship this year or next? Martin is only a scorer he basically a one dimensional player. You need more then that to win the playoffs. Harden helped them defeat the spurs and lakers..Martin will not be with the Thunder next year they will drop him..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ibaka is a 6’10″ 22 year old who just lead the league in blocks and can hit an 18 footer. He is more rare. That WOULD be why if it weren’t….this
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    They could get Ibaka for less than Market Value.
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    They could not get Harden for less than Market Value.
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    It’s that simple.

  • Yusaf

    This chemistry is most not Harden departure. Factors many are causing OKC pain right now. Bench issues I think. Westbrook must not continue drugs and Durant need to understand beauty in small things.

  • Yusaf

    This chemistry is most not Harden departure. Factors many are causing OKC pain right now. Bench issues I think. Westbrook must not continue drugs and Durant need to understand beauty in small things.

  • Yusaf

    This chemistry is most not Harden departure. Factors many are causing OKC pain right now. Bench issues I think. Westbrook must not continue drugs and Durant need to understand beauty in small things.

  • Yusaf

    This chemistry is most not Harden departure. Factors many are causing OKC pain right now. Bench issues I think. Westbrook must not continue drugs and Durant need to understand beauty in small things.

  • danpowers

    lol

  • danpowers

    lol

  • danpowers

    lol

  • danpowers

    hmmmmm im just saying that most of the basketball world would disagree on most of your points but im out of this discussion as i am neither a big thunder fan nor a big shoot first pg fan.

  • danpowers

    hmmmmm im just saying that most of the basketball world would disagree on most of your points but im out of this discussion as i am neither a big thunder fan nor a big shoot first pg fan.

  • Datkid

    no. a healthy dwight can absolutely ruin you if you can’t slow him down somehow. Perkins is useless otherwise but he should’ve stayed.

  • Datkid

    modern day power ranger? weaaaaaakkk

  • Datkid

    you do realize Durant won a scoring title with mostly Westbrook passing to him right? Is westbrook’s decision making the best? absolutely not. Is it as awful as you say? no. you’re falling into the easy trap of blaming westbrook instead of the coach and overall team for their struggles so far.

  • Dagger

    Just because you aren’t the best, or even the second-best, player on your team doesn’t mean you aren’t critical for your team’s success. You’d think Bosh’s injury last year would have taught some people that. A player’s influence on winning = ability+role+matchups. As NBK wrote below, Harden made the Thunder special, and no, Martin is far from an adequate replacement. Look, I think Westbrook is a top-10 player and I still think the Thunder are, at worst, a top-3 team in the west. But ByAnyMeansNecessary is right about Harden’s influence on the playoffs last year.

  • Dagger

    Just because you aren’t the best, or even the second-best, player on your team doesn’t mean you aren’t critical for your team’s success. You’d think Bosh’s injury last year would have taught some people that. A player’s influence on winning = ability+role+matchups. As NBK wrote below, Harden made the Thunder special, and no, Martin is far from an adequate replacement. Look, I think Westbrook is a top-10 player and I still think the Thunder are, at worst, a top-3 team in the west. But ByAnyMeansNecessary is right about Harden’s influence on the playoffs last year.

  • Dagger

    Just because you aren’t the best, or even the second-best, player on your team doesn’t mean you aren’t critical for your team’s success. You’d think Bosh’s injury last year would have taught some people that. A player’s influence on winning = ability+role+matchups. As NBK wrote below, Harden made the Thunder special, and no, Martin is far from an adequate replacement. Look, I think Westbrook is a top-10 player and I still think the Thunder are, at worst, a top-3 team in the west. But ByAnyMeansNecessary is right about Harden’s influence on the playoffs last year.

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • Dagger

    Let me get this straight. You want to trade a 23-year-old 2-time all-star who averages 24/5/5, has some of the best advanced stats in the league and was the second-best player on a Finals team for a 22-year-old coming off an ACL tear who barely averaged double figures on 35% shooting for a losing team? GTFO

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • z

    Lol well said. Props to you for being patient. Stop with the double standards, ppl

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    You’re incredibly lost, are you sure you’re not talking about the Blackhawks?

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    Beat up on Orlando? They’ve been blowing teams up so far.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    THE SAME PLAYER?!

    Are you born dumb? Rose’s basketball IQ is way higher & Rose is more clutch. Rose has lead his team & put them on his back, Westbrook hasn’t had to do that.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    Really? Cause most of all of the basketball world views him as someone who makes bad decisions.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    I agree, Westbrook is still young & I’m not saying he doesn’t have upside. But as of today, right now, give me Harden over Westbrook any day.

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    For a Harden which equals a better team. gtfo

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • Redd

    But Westbrook can’t set up..not even close to what Rubio does.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • YaMama

    Shut up. Thanks.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • Mean

    Since when is the 90′s not considered modern era? Maybe the Power Rangers existed in the 15th century and I simply was unaware of it.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s your contribution to the discussion? lol. Pitiful.

  • Dagger

    Nope, you said Rubio was a better PG. And either way, swapping a recovering Rubio for Westbrook while keeping Harden (and abandoning Martin/Lamb/draft picks) would not make the Thunder better than they are today, especially when you consider the garbage contracts the Wolves would have to add to the deal to make the salaries work.

  • Dagger

    Nope, you said Rubio was a better PG. And either way, swapping a recovering Rubio for Westbrook while keeping Harden (and abandoning Martin/Lamb/draft picks) would not make the Thunder better than they are today, especially when you consider the garbage contracts the Wolves would have to add to the deal to make the salaries work.

  • Dagger

    Nope, you said Rubio was a better PG. And either way, swapping a recovering Rubio for Westbrook while keeping Harden (and abandoning Martin/Lamb/draft picks) would not make the Thunder better than they are today, especially when you consider the garbage contracts the Wolves would have to add to the deal to make the salaries work.

  • Dagger

    Nope, you said Rubio was a better PG. And either way, swapping a recovering Rubio for Westbrook while keeping Harden (and abandoning Martin/Lamb/draft picks) would not make the Thunder better than they are today, especially when you consider the garbage contracts the Wolves would have to add to the deal to make the salaries work.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Durant would win it regardless of who he had passing him the ball because he’s the best scorer in the league. I never said Westbrook’s decision making was awful. It just needs to be improved. His instincts must change without Harden there if they want to get back to the Finals.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • YaMama

    More request than contribution. Save the pity for your girl’s titties.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Clever.

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    Since when did the Thunder exist in the 90s…

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Redd

    He is for OKC, when healthy Rubio would make KD better & the team. EASILY.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • Datkid

    oh that’s what your beef is? that they’re not getting to the finals? bc if so I absolutely agree. What they have now is not good enough to get them to the finals. and while you’re right that Westbrook’s instincts gotta get better, I’m not sure even that will make the thunder potent enough. NBK has a point when he says that the thunder’s basic strategy was to RUN at you for a full unrelenting 48. and they can still do that but the drop off between a 29 year old Kevin Martin and a 23 year old James Harden is significant enough where the Lakers can take them… unless PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb turn out to be monsters. which they might be. we’ll see.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • YaMama

    Why, thank you sir.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    They absolutely do need Westbrook. I just think someone else would be better. Swap him with Rondo and they improve. But about getting it together, definitely, theyll be up there. But they aint winning the chip. That’s coming down to Bron and Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Philly is going to suck. ATL will be better than Brooklyn and maybe Chicago and Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    talk about living in denial, and doing it casualy

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • danpowers

    yes, he does. that is his flaw. but he also makes good things like pressuring opposing defenses non stop wich also helps the thunder win games as durant and brooks say. he aint perfect but he plays with fire. we saw in the finals what he is cabable of doing. i wouldnt underestimate that

  • biggieman

    Yeah Redd, we all must have been born dumb because you seem to be the only one who agrees with you. I really like DRose also, but there is no way you can deny that they play very similar. Rose has never gotten to play with a great player, but if he did he would struggle the same way Westbrook does with decision making. When you are that talented, it is tough to not take the ball yourself, Rose does that whenever he wants and jacks up shots because there is no one else on his level in Chicago. Westbrook does the same thing but is ridiculed because he plays with Durant. That is the difference between the love and the hate. This is my last response Redd… so keep hating on Westbrook as he climbs the ranks of the best in the league and has a better career than Rose.

  • Redd

    …A better career? Rose has an MVP, Westbrook is the moron screwing it up for OKC. LOL, I don’t think I’ll be losing any sleep over OKC losing cause of him. Rose is NOT Westbrook, Westbrook is a SG, Rose is a PG. Westbrook is a bad decision maker & the guy holding KD back. Rose is the guy who can control the urge to shoot & does what needs to be done.

  • Redd

    Did you watch the Spurs game? He drove in, wide open lay ups which he missed consistently. Yeah he’s got speed & penetration but never realizes when he’s cold.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    yes mam

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    i gotta agree with @Red7252:disqus westbrooks decisions boogle my mind sometimes

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    agreed

  • hardenoverratedoverpaid

    good in regular season, sucks in playoffs when it counts. when the lanes to the rim close off, and the defense gets up close and personal, he is too small to do his thing in the association. good in regular season, big zero in the playoffs. good move by thunder long term and short term.

  • danpowers

    thats really annoying at times. but when he gets hot or has an average game he is better or as good as anyone out there

  • danpowers

    mine too. its just that this is not the only thing that defines his game

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