Sunday, December 16th, 2012 at 2:41 pm  |  94 responses

Brandon Jennings, Tyreke Evans Reportedly May Be Traded Before Deadline


The Bucks and the Kings decided not to offer Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans (respectively) contract extensions when they were eligible for ‘em last summer, and so it’s believed that both teams are going to weigh trade offers in the coming months, given the obvious risk that Jennings and Evans could leave this offseason and leave their respective squads with nada. More, via Ric Bucher: “Neither Tyreke Evans, nor Brandon Jennings, were given extensions this fall — so which one is more likely to be dealt before the February trade deadline or play somewhere else next season? Put your money on Jennings. Several teams are already quietly assessing him to decide what he should be worth to them and the Bucks are aware of that. The Kings, according to a source, are simply waiting for someone else to set the value of Evans in restricted free agency next summer. While no one can quite figure out how to best use Evans or what position he plays, he is a massive talent. The Kings know all that. They don’t want to see that talent harnessed elsewhere. They can’t afford to see that. Now, I have no one from the Bucks saying that they’re ready and willing to move Jennings, but a source indicated he’s more inclined to make his way elsewhere than Evans is.”

[H/T: PBT]

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  • greg

    while i dont agree tyreke is a real pg. he could play with someone sharing a backcourt who can either shoot really well, or play defense, and have a high IQ to make the right passes. when they drafted jimmer i thought they would run something like the clippers offense where tyreke gets it in the middle of the floor pick and roll, and if that doesnt work, iso or post up cousins. If any fool decides to help off him an inch…. its Jimmer time. Thats the bests role for both of them to me

  • patrick

    i say lakers pick up evans,,,he can play back up s.g. to kobe

  • Caboose

    Yes. He looks uncomfortable at shooting guard. It encourages him to shoot when that’s not what he should be doing. He has great court vision, and good ball handling. Remember when the Griz tried playing Greivis at the 2? Doesn’t work. Put Reke at the 1, and he’ll just feel more comfortable on the court.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tyreke Evans is a black hole though. He may have good vision, but that doesn’t mean he uses it. And he has no left hand. As soon as the league found that out (thanks Shane Battier) he was basically forced into an off-the-ball role.

    He hasn’t statistically played best at PG at any point in his career. honestly, the best thing he has done as a PG is play defense.

    He either needs to become much much less selfish or he needs to learn how to shoot.

    And statistically speaking, he is literally the same exact player he was his rookie year, except he’s playing off the ball, so he isn’t shooting as much.

  • Caboose

    If you’ve watched him lately, his left has improved a lot. Not up to PG standards, but it’s not a weakness. I’d argue that the selfishness and black holeness is due to horrid coaching. The Kings’ staff LOVES to play 2006 Hawks ball. When Isaiah Thomas and Aaron Brooks become black holes, you can kinda look at the coaches. Put Reke with an ex-PG coach who knows what he’s doing, and it’ll work.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i honestly have watched him twice this whole season. so my knowledge is strictly based off of all previous seasons + a couple preseason games, and a few of their games at the beginning of the year, so i haven’t seen the improvement on his left hand. — he is actually finishing with it? i understand he can dribble with his left, but as far as i’ve seen, he can’t actually go that direction with that hand, and finish with it. he always comes back to his right. which is/was a huge huge huge problem.

    .

    but he is literally playing the same way he was as a rookie when he was playing PG. He is shooting the exact same amount of 3′s per second at a career high %, so his shot, although it may look uncomfortable, is actually as good as it’s ever been. And after watching him closely throughout the first few years of his career, i am pretty much set in my belief that he needs to be playing SF the majority of his minutes, so i will need to see some actual proof that he is better suited at the point.

  • Caboose

    Granted, small forward is MUCH better than shooting guard with Reke. I’ll give you that. Just bear in mind he’ll never get the chance to play point guard with the glut of shooters masquerading as a backcourt on the Kings. While I agree he’s playing the same style, it’s because that’s what he’s asked to do. I have no doubt that EVERY significant player on the Kings would play better on a different team and a different coaching style. Imagine Cousins playing next to Duncan and under Pop. Or Marcus Thornton playing the Jason Terry-role for the Wolves under Adelman. Or Tyreke playing point for the Jazz where he could run strong pick and rolls all day. What I’m trying to get at is, if Tyreke is asked to be a true point guard, he can. He always shows flashes, every game, but the Kings suffer from the 2005 76ers problem: only one ball per game.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s like saying Dwyane Wade shows flashes of being a PG. He may have some skills that really make sense, but he just doesn’t seem to have the mental makeup to play the position. Could you imagine Tyreke matching up night in and night out against Chris Paul – Rajon Rondo – Kyrie Irving etc.? he would have to work himself into phenomenal shape, and totally change his mind set to become a real everyday PG.
    .
    i really think Wade is the example i would use to compare why Tyreke wouldn’t make a successful transition to full-time PG responsibilities which i why i brought him up.

  • Caboose

    All good points, it’s not to say he COULDN’T become a point guard, but you may be right, he may not be equipped to play now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean, if he can make the switch mentally, you are right, skill/strength wise, PG is the position he would be most effective in. I, as you know, have just never been one to put faith in a guy becoming a different “mental player” if that makes sense

  • Caboose

    I agree with that, but I think the mental aspect has been poisoned by coaching. I believe under a good coach, he could turn around his game. But, it is also possible it is his mindset. Either way, it won’t happen with the Kings.

  • Shawn

    Look at D Rose and Westbrook. Tyreke plays a similar style as them a slashing PG. So why do people constantly say “Tyreke is not a PG” when you see D Rose and Westbrook chucking up 20 shots a game and still called a PG?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Because they are good at it.

    Sincerely,
    Sincere

  • Shawn

    WTF?? Yea im pretty sure were going to trade Evans and Thompson, 2 of our best players, for Millsap and a 2nd pick ._____. And you think were going to trade Evans who is loads of talent and is only 23 for Prince who is way past his prime and is 33 years old????? You gotta be joking right?

  • Shawn

    No bro we dont want your sh**. We already have cap space and most of those players are like in their 30s. Since so many people are making unrealistic trades how about you guys trade Dirk, Marion, OJ Mayo, 1st round picks and cash for evans.

  • Shawn

    Ight bro just trade Kobe and Dwight for Evans

  • Caboose

    1. Millsap is a better player than Tyreke. And far better than Thompson.
    2. That Prince trade includes a 1st Round Pick from the flailing Pistons.
    Take a tip Sparky, read through everything before commenting. It makes you look less ignorant.

  • Shawn

    Same with Tyreke and Wade both would be good at PG…….i honestly think the NBA has more to do with big and small markets. imagine if Rose was in Toronto, he would be criticized the exact same way tyreke is now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s not true. Evans is not playing at a high level. If he was, he wouldn’t get criticized. It’s. That. Simple.
    Sincerely,
    Sincere

  • Shawn

    DO YOU HONESTLY THINK WE WANT MORE PICKS??????
    We get screwed in the draft almost every time and not only that we dont even want to be in the lottery. Now tell me this would it not be wiser to build on Evans who is clearly our best player than to trade him for more picks and literally waste 2-3 years on rebuilding?? I mean you dont trade players you drafted and then trade them for more draft picks.

    And saying millsap is better than reke shows you are clearly biased towards the jazz and that trade wouldnt make any sense at all anyway. We already have cousins and we drafted T-Rob and adding him would kill PT for our rookie.

  • Caboose

    1. You wanna build around Tyreke? Good strategy there; that 15-5-3 sure is a franchise cornerstone.
    2. Millsap is absolutely better than Tyreke. Over the past 3 years, more win shares, higher PER, better offensive rating, better defensive rating, higher FG%, more steals, more blocks, less turnovers, more rebounds. Know what Reke does better? Points per game. And that’s it.

    3. If T-Rob isn’t getting minutes over Jason Thompson (who would start on literally, no other team), I don’t think we should be concerned about his PT.

  • Caboose

    Cause NO ONE would take Okafor’s contract?

  • Caboose

    Why would the Nuggets want Tyreke, who fulfills the same role as Iguodala, but does everything slightly worse?

  • Caboose

    Haha why? I can’t stand ESPN :P

  • mhm

    lol

  • Caboose

    Not sure if compliment or insult….

  • Shawn

    Do you even watch the kings? Tyreke is a way better defender and he had a string of games where he was getting 20 pts 7 rebs and 4 ast before his injury this year

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    As much as I can I watch the Kings.
    .
    This year is about 30 games old. A string of games at the beginning of this 30 game old season means he should be absolved of the last 2 full seasons? .
    Whatever you say puddin. Tyreke is the best PG on earth. He’s like a tiger in a cage. Because you know, the best players are, on average, just decent, and statistically worse at their should be full time position. That makes total sense.

  • Shawn

    Dude
    what are you talking about? Your basically judging these players solely
    on statistics. Have you even seen a Kings game? If you have than you
    would know how much tyreke means to us. And so what if Millsap is better
    than Reke, I can stand for all the Kings fans out here that we DONT
    want Millsap when we already have quality big man. Plus i dont really
    see him as a long term option for us at all.

    Look im done debating about this if you say the same crap over again.
    The fact that WE as KINGS FANS dont want a player such as Millsap is
    all you need to know why this trade wouldnt work. Matter of fact WTF are
    you arguing about anyway??? why the heck do you want tyreke to go to
    the Jazz and Millsap to come to sacTown anyway? ill be surprised if you
    even have anything to say unless you say the same crap like you did
    before

  • mhm

    It’s a compliment duhh

  • Shawn

    Bro im not tying to hurt your feelings or anything dont get all butt hurt….and i never said Tyreke was the BEST PG, although i wished he was, all i was saying was that it was unfair to call D Rose and westbrook PG and not Reke, you just twisted my words and through it right back at me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It is fair. They are real PG’s. Tyreke Evans isn’t. There is no LOGICAL reason to feel otherwise. All, real, tangible evidence supports that. ALL OF IT. You aren’t hurting my feelings. Your annoying my illogical need for others to be logical. Which in itself annoys me. I’m thoroughly annoyed with you, and myself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah that’s fair. i thought if he did figure it out, he’d do it under Westphal, but Demarcus Cousins f*cked that up.

  • Shawn

    Dude what are you talking about????? What in the world do you not understand that BOTH westbrook and rose play the EXACT same way as REKE. Both are score first, pass second players. Both penetrate the ball and kick it back out. Both chuck up 20 shots a game. Reke does those exact same things but NO one ever says Rose or Westbrook are not PG. and what evidence is there?? the only illogical thing here is you because you dont seem to comprehend what im trying to say.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s false. I am not wasting my time talking to someone who relies on their ideas rather than making sure their argument doesn’t sound like its coming from an ill informed kings fan. .
    Do some research and come back with actual, factual information. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. .
    Bye

  • Shawn

    WTF???? “I am not wasting my time talking to someone who relies on their ideas rather than making sure their argument doesn’t sound like its coming from an ill informed kings fan”

    Ok uhmm coming from a guy who said:

    “Because they are good at it.

    Sincerely,
    Sincere”

    yea that sounds logical and factual to me buddy :)

    ohh and “It is fair. They are real PG’s. Tyreke Evans isn’t. There is no
    LOGICAL reason to feel otherwise. All, real, tangible evidence supports
    that. ALL OF IT.” uhmm still waiting on that evidence :)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i shouldn’t have to provide you proof for something that is obvious.

    .

    Read my first response to Caboose,

    “Tyreke Evans is a black hole though. He may have good vision, but that doesn’t mean he uses it. And he has no left hand. As soon as the league found that out (thanks Shane Battier) he was basically forced into an off-the-ball role.

    He hasn’t statistically played best at PG at any point in his career. honestly, the best thing he has done as a PG is play defense.

    He either needs to become much much less selfish or he needs to learn how to shoot.

    And statistically speaking, he is literally the same exact player he was his rookie year, except he’s playing off the ball, so he isn’t shooting as much”

    .

    Now when it comes to Russell Westbrook/Derrick Rose compared to Tyreke i will make this VERY simple,

    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=evansty01&y1=2013&p2=rosede01&y2=2012&p3=westbru01&y3=2013

    .- http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=evansty01&y1=2010&p2=rosede01&y2=2011&p3=westbru01&y3=2013

    .

    the first link is their career numbers, which show a clear advantage in just about everything for Westbrook and Rose.

    .

    the second link is their best individual seasons, which make the difference between them, specifically as playmakers, very very obvious. (look at Assists per 36 minutes – Assist % – Offensive Rating.)

    .
    if you still want to argue with me after seeing obvious facts, then it is because, as i said, you are an ill informed Kings fan.

  • Shawn

    your still not getting it, tyreke is playing with no talent on his team except for a bunch of undersized midget chuckers. Rose and Westbrook however have many weapons on their squad. Ok now we could all agree that tyreke, rose and westbrook are “unique” PG, but would all be SG in the likes of players like Rondo, Nash, CP3, D-Will, etc.

    statistics dont really tell the whole truth, like i said if you were on a team where your PG is taking 25 shots a game

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Blah blah blah I like to ignore facts even though I just asked for the and now am making a new excuse. He’s not a PG. you aren’t changing reality with excuses. Bye
    Sincerely,
    Sincere

  • Shawn

    i cant get to you kid sorry but you should actually watch basketball instead of looking at statistics and think you know what your talking about. I tried, I really did but your arrogance is just too much. Tyreke is a PG so is Rose and Westbrook but all three are not legit PG.

    P.S. Tyreke is a PG

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s pretty clear that i watch a ton more basketball then you do. you watch the Kings. And have probably been a Kings fan your whole life. It’s not surprising you can’t see what everyone else does.
    .
    infact, Tyreke hasn’t played PG since his rookie year, you’d think you’d be able to catch onto what the professional basketball minds in your own city have already noticed. you’d think.

  • Shawn

    Ok my other post was going to be my last but when you said reke hasnt played PG since his rookie season that just proves my point you look at the stats and not the actual games. Had you watched any of the Kings games last year or any NBA game for that matter, you would know reke played PG for half the season with the line up of

    PG-Tyreke
    SG-Thorton
    SF-Salmons
    PF-Thompson
    C-Cousins

    Yet again you seem to make yourself look more foolish.

    P.S. Tyreke is a PG
    P.S.S. Go watch basketball games kid :)

  • Hugo Silva

    Why? becuase tyreke is waay cheaper and still has lots of potential. He could maybe be better than iguodala one day. Plus iggy is almost 30yrs old and makes nearly 15 million per.

  • Kid

    Dude, i agree with you. The only problem with the Kings is their coach. I watched almost all of the Kings games this season. The rotation sucks like hell. He ends up putting his bench players in the 4th q. The reason why they perform well when they play is that they don’t get to play a lot. The game yesterday against portland, IT, Jimmer, Garcia, Trob and Hayes finished the 4th q of the game cause they played good. Why not letting them play a lot in the 2nd and 3rd q? Keith Smart is a Cancer to the team. And brooks isn’t consistent. I hope they don’t trade tyreke away. He should start as point guard, not shooting guard or forward. Jimmer would be good at the 2. And IT and Marcus would be good back ups.

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