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Thursday, December 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm  |  132 responses

David Stern Puts Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan on the Same Pedestal


It was a historic night for Kobe Bryant, as he became the youngest NBA player ever to reach 30,000 career points. Commissioner David Stern happened to be on hand for the game, and said Kobe and Michael Jordan belong on the same pedestal. (Incidentally, Bryant is now just 2,276 points away from reaching MJ’s total.) From the LA Daily News: “I want to shake his hand. I think Kobe as a talent and a competitor, he’s up there on the pedestal with Michael Jordan as one of the greatest ever,’ Stern said. ‘Kobe has had such an extraordinary run playing at the highest level for so long and the championships to prove it in a league that is extremely competitive. Kobe and the Lakers have been an important part of the league and I wish them well for this season and beyond.’ Stern still provided little sympathy for the Lakers having to pay harsh luxury tax penalties because of a $100 million payroll. The Lakers, after all, are in the first year of a lucrative 20-year deal with Time Warner Cable. ‘It’s one component of Lakers income that gets accounted for when they make a payment in the revenue sharing pool,’ Stern said of the team’s cable deal. ‘There’s more money to be shared. The combination of that and the tax tend to act as a brake on team spending.’”

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  • zogs19994

    KOBE AN MIKE = LEGENDARY WORK ETHIC

  • TRUEBALLER

    NO WAY NEVER AIR JORDAN IS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER!!! KOBE STILL TRYING TO BE LIKE MIKE..

  • LakeShow

    No, no, he isn’t, but enough about Mike. Congrats Kobe!

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange knows which book David Stern needs to read …

  • wats gud

    First the fine on Pop, then the Hornets name change to the Pelicans, now Kobe and Mike on the same pedestal? Stern is trolling so hard on his way out the door.

  • spit hot fiyah

    what’s interesting is that kobe is the youngest to 30,000, but it also took him the most games

  • Junior Taylor

    Of course he puts him on the same pedestal. The League office and Media have been trying to find and market the next Air Jordan ever since the day MJ left the game for good even though true basketball fans know that there will never be another MJ. His accomplishments on and off the court are unmatched.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    He came straight from HS… But he was a bench player his first time years. He was the second option for his first 8. MJ, Karl, Kareem, LeBron, these guy’s were the first option for their rook season.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Mike > Kobe. It’s not even that close.

  • Datkid

    in a world where efficiency, defense and rebounding don’t exist/matter… Kobe is Mike’s ALMOST MJ’s equal. but outside of that stupid hellish reality…. Kobe can’t catch Mike until he shoots 50% for 6+ seasons. in fact even if he started shooting like steve nash again, (50-40-90) Kobe still wouldn’t be as good honestly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    this isn’t an outrageous thing to say…both are two of the best shooting guards of all time. That’s all there is to it

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    How a lack of college competition and resolute NCCA-approved morals held back Kobe’s development as a player?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    the best comment on here

  • Datkid

    and this is coming from somebody who REALLY wants Kobe to hit the 50-40-90 mark

  • shockexchange

    Read the book … the Shock Exchange will guarantee you will never mention Horry Jr’s name in the same sentence with MJ again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Ahh, SLAM, you know how to get the page views. All Stern said was that “I think Kobe as a talent and a competitor, he’s up there on the pedestal with Michael Jordan as one of the greatest ever”.

  • Caboose

    That’s odd. I guess Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Larry, Russell, Duncan, Kobe, and Hakeem are all on that same pedestal then. Big pedestal.

  • LakeShow

    You realize like 3 players in history have done that before right?

    LeBron will never do that, Carmello will never do that, Wade will never do that. I doubt many people will, that is rarefied air.

    Kobe’s great, but he’s never been an overly efficient player.

    Your expectations are to high…

    He could do it, if he scored less than 20 a game, but we all know that’s not on his agenda. Even then, he’s not a 40+% 3 point shooter…

    Why wouldn’t Kobe be as good as Mike if he hit the 50-40-90 though? Mike never did that… At Kobe’s age he was shooting 46% FG’s and 24% 3 pointers… Defensively they were comparable at this age. So if Kobe did hit that mark, yeah he’d be better than Mike at the same age. He won’t though.

  • Junior Taylor

    Great point. It amazes me how all-time greats like those guys you mentioned get “lost” in all the Kobe/MJ talk.

  • Caboose

    Only a complete fool would think Kobe is #2 all time. Personally, I take Wilt.

  • LakeShow

    Agreed…
    Kobe IS NOT the 2nd best player ever so why would he be on the same pedestal as the GOAT?…

  • 23

    TRUE basketball fans know that players are better overall nowadays due to watching and studying legends and also due to technology and new workout studies/methods. The rule of life, never say never.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    So doesn’t that make it more remarkable that he hit 30,000 then? This is a bench player/second option that rose up from the ranks and hit 30 000 at the youngest age.

  • 23

    It’s close. Come on now you don’t gotta lie to raise Jordans status. He is already widely regarded as the best ever.

  • elmaar

    Kobe is a top 5 talent all time, BUT he ain’t even the MVP of his generation
    I’d take Duncan anyday anytime, eeeasily

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Who is comparing them?!?!? This is what boggles my mind. At no point did Stern say that Kobe is comparable to Michael in terms of accomplishment. He said talent and competitive nature, which is pretty feasible. I don’t understand why people get so scared/deeply offended by having a HOF player compared to another comparable HOF player. Obviously, MJ is the better player, its as if fans of Jordan are preserving his legacy (which is pretty damn secure) for no reason other than being scared that people will forget about it. NO ONE WILL FORGET that Jordan is the greatest to lace them up.

    Bryant’s only mistake has been trying to catch Jordan in terms of rings….people should be admiring such drive and determination and the fact that this skinny teenager rose up from being a bench player and a second option to someone who is at the point he is now.

  • 23

    As far as individual accomplishments and dominating your comp, wilt is the best. Rings is Russell. Popularizing the game goes to bird/magic. Making ballers iconic and godlike on and off the court is Jordan. Winning with minimal talent around him goes to hakeem. When it comes to pure basketball skill level on the court, its LeBron.

  • Conor

    People fear change.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    So its the players fault that they were born in a different generation?

  • Caboose

    LeBron is not the most skilled of all time, let’s get that out of the way. I agree with everything else though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    In terms of talent and competitive nature, like Stern mentioned, yes. Why is everyone on this board acting as if the man said “KOBE IS BETTER THAN JORDAN SUCKERS!”

  • Dymez

    Kobe and MJ are equal in competitiveness, I’ll give him that, but it stops there. Jordan played virtually 13 years, 2 of those years at the age of 39 and 40. Kobe is playing in his 17th year and still hasn’t caught up to Jordan in anything. So no, Jordan is definitely in a class all by himself, but Kobe is still an all-timer — Top 10 in my book. I wouldn’t even put him above Magic just yet, but he’s definitely close.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Talent. Competitive nature. That’s all he said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    KAJ is extremely overlooked in the Top 10 rankings. 6x Champ, 2x Finals MVP, 6x (!) Regular Season MVP, and All-time Scoring leader….I don’t know, he actually might have more accomplishments than Jordan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Shhh….you’re going against the mob mentality on this board.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    …nobody said he was equal. Talent and competition. Kobe is argueably as talented as Jordan. He is not as influential as Jordan was, nor as efficient, but the talent is there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    I AGREE WITH THIS

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Pretty much sums up the comments in this thread.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Fantastic point

  • Caboose

    He’s my #3, and yeah, he was absolutely incredible. My list, if anybody cares is:
    1. Jordan
    2. Wilt
    3. KAJ
    4. Magic
    5. Bird
    6. Russell
    7. Duncan
    8. Hakeem
    9. Oscar
    10. Kobe
    11. Shaq
    To me, there’s a good gap between 3 and 4.

  • 23

    Nope its not their faults at all. But its just the truth.

  • 23

    I should rephrase it, LeBron is the most “versatile” skilled player we’ve seen. And I will stick by that statement. LeBron is special, whether ppl ever like him or not, true basketball heads know that he is unlike any other player to step on the floor.

  • LakeShow

    Not for me. I have trouble having Wilt in my all time top 5.

    It just wasn’t fair when he was playing…

    Greatest basketball players skill wise and capability wise:

    MJ

    Kareem

    Bird

    Magic

    Shaq

    Hakeem

    Kobe

    Duncan

    O

    Wilt

    I know this isn’t most peoples top 10, but I just can’t put Wilt above these guys because of the era he played in.. I can’t see him being much more than a 25-28 PPG player with 10-14 rebounds a game in today’s game. Which is great, but not 2nd all time great, to me.

  • robb

    I love Kobe but…

    Black Jesus >>>>>>>Black Mamba

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Its kind of annoying that Magic continually gets more credit than Kareem because he was flashier. Yes, his rivalry with Bird brought the league back, but when you hear analysts talk about the GOAT, they mention the following: “Michael, Magic, Larry, Isiah”….essentially, the players from the 80s, when most of the folks who are now analyzing games on TV grew up.

    Kareem, unfortunately, found himself in the tail end of his prime during Magic’s prime years, and due to his introversion, has to suffer with being ignored despite having just as many accomplishments, if not more, than Magic, Larry, etc.

  • Caboose

    Hrmm…Magic.

  • Caboose

    Amen.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, lol.
    It’s not about “fault” per se, it’s more “victim of their times”.
    Wilt wouldn’t be Wilt if he came into the L today, that’s for sure, so why should we rate him above guys that are proven with good defense playing against them?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    In terms of pure skill, on a technical level (footwork, arsenal, etc.), nobody comes close to Jordan (and maybe even Kobe) among guards and forwards. I think for Centers, Hakeem would take the cake.

  • Caboose

    He was stronger than Shaq, higher vertical than Jordan, and faster than Magic. He was bar none the most athletic player of all time. And 28-14…isn’t that what Hakeem did?

  • Caboose

    With skill level, it’s Jordan/Magic on the perimeter and Hakeem/Duncan in the post.

  • 23

    Exactly, wilt would not drop 100 in a game if he was drafted after the year 1980.

  • 23

    Magic was nowhere near LeBrons versatility when it comes to BOTH ends of the floor.

  • Caboose

    Put it this way, regardless of era, he led the league in scoring, rebounding, and FG% regularly. When he led the league in scoring, he did so by averaging 50% more than the next guy. Today, that’d translate to 36 and 15, while shooting well over 50%? That’s top 2 or 3 all time.

  • LakeShow

    lol, nice.

  • LakeShow

    Kobe, being the best who does both?

  • rande3p

    Jordan is the greatest. But, Stern, Popovich, Pat Riley, Magic Johnson, Phil Jackson have all said Kobe is a player that is comparable to Jordan. Does it mean he is better? No. But he is the closest, and people need to really appreciate that we are getting Kobe on the heels of Jordan (lbj,durant etc. after Kobe). Of course some of you will disagree with Riley, Stern etc. because …. not sure why actually

  • Caboose

    Lol.

  • LakeShow

    Ditto.

  • reese

    Truth. And to be honest, you can’t really say Magic was do much more versatile offensively. People point to Magic playing center in the Finals, but Lebron could have done the same in that era with his size and athleticism.

  • Caboose

    That’s why I always give mine to hobos. I’m scared of those f*cking nickels.

  • Caboose

    Same can be said of Duncan/Kobe…but that’s for another day. :)

  • LakeShow

    He’s a career 45% shooter, that’s why.

    Doesn’t mean it’s fair (considering that’s L average).

    Since he isn’t overly efficient many people think he is just a player than shoots allot. Thus gets allot of points. If your smart, you actually see the truth. (He’s one of the greatest offensive players ever)

    BTW, Magic had over 56% FG’s twice… WTF… lol, that’s some black magic. (not racially intended)

  • LakeShow

    Who is better at the perimeter and the post than Kobe? Maybe Jordan, that’s it…

  • LakeShow

    True. If you have Duncan above Kobe I don’t hate on that. I just don’t agree. By a smidge.

  • Caboose

    For sure Jordan, who was more skilled both on the perimeter and the post. Might take Magic, and we’ll see where LeBron is at in 10 years. Sure, I’d put Kobe 2 or 3.

  • Caboose

    The league leader in steals with close to the same Defensive Rating? Of course he’s not close.

  • Caboose

    You’re young. 6’11, 260 pound Darryl Dawkins was the 76ers center for most of that game. That’s bigger than most starting centers nowadays.

  • LakeShow

    Coo.

    Just have to make sure your head hasn’t fallen off completely ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    It was also one game against Caldwell Jones, who was 6-11.

  • LakeShow

    Wow, a new side to the argument.
    Thanks for bringing the insight!

  • Caboose

    It honestly is just the same as Magic/KAJ. KAJ was boring. So is Duncan. Magic was pure flash, pure highlights, pure love. So is Kobe. Duncan’s stats are better, just like KAJ. Kobe has more “ooh” moments and storybook moments, just like Magic.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe needed 727 more FGA than Jordan to get to 30,000 points – to put scoring efficiency in perspective.

  • roscoe

    yawn.

  • LakeShow

    Which really isn’t that big of a deal…

    It means he was less efficient by a noticeable amount, but not grossly inefficient when taken into account the make up of their teams and the type of shots they took.

    I mean were talking what, like 1500ish games here right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Well, in reality he copies everything MJ did, but I love Kobe, so, wtv. Why wouldn’t you imitate the GOAT?

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Not very close. Closest, maybe. 2

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    He is the closest. Just the gap between the two is still pretty large.

  • LakeShow

    Don’t get me wrong, it should be noted, but people act like Kobe is a scrub because of it…lol

  • z

    Personally i imagine bron as the modern day big o. I wish wilt and baylor coulda been born so they were modern players

  • Junior Taylor

    But Kobe isn’t a scrub though and anyone who thinks otherwise must be smoking crack. The man is the 2nd greatest SG (I had JWest ahead of Kobe until the boy cracked 30K) and a Fringe Top 10 player in my book (I got him around 10/11). It doesn’t get any better than being one of the top 10 greatest players to ever step on an NBA court out of tens of thousands (possibly 100,000)

  • Junior Taylor

    Don’t forget about Bird though. In terms of pure skills, no one had more than Larry Legend. He did it all on the offensive end.

  • Caboose

    Good point. Most skilled 2 way guys…Jordan, Magic, Kobe, Larry. In what order?

  • Junior Taylor

    Wilt would still put up around 33/16 with 4+ blocks on 58/59% shooting in today’s day and age. That would be by far the most dominant statline for a Center since Prime/MIL Kareem. Don’t sleep on Wilt’s otherworldly athleticism, the man is in a class of his own.

  • shockexchange

    Any praise Horry Jr gets has to be prefaced with “during his era.” All of his accomplishments have come (i) during the post-expansion era and (ii) surrounded with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L,” i.e. everything he has done deserves an asterisk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    ok well Duncan is the greatest PF of all time…soooo….what are you trying to say?

  • LakeShow

    Sometimes I don’t know if you guys realize he is a all timer with all the sh*t ya’ll give him. lol, So I just like to make sure.

  • 23

    Steals don’t necessarily measure good defense. At least not efficient defense. When I think defense, I think more lateral quickness, post defense, positioning, footwork, hustle and attention to detail.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    We discussed this talent thing last time. Its a stupid argument on your part. All title teams have “stacked” talent.

  • 23

    Wilts athleticism was superior to that of his generation. His athleticism isn’t God-like amongst todays players. He wouldn’t be getting easy layups or tip ins on the regular like he did in the 50 years ago.

  • shockexchange

    When people make these lists, they don’t compare players from stacked teams, they compare players who also had to carry teams. Horry Jr has had someone carrying him ever since he came into the L. To even compare him to guys like MJ, Dominique, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Drexler, et. al. is blasphemous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Another thing is longevity. Duncan faded out starting in 2007, before Lebron’s prime, before the Lakers became relevant again, and before the Twitter era. That has a lot to do with why he’s never mentioned. Kobe not only withstood the Duncan era (2003-2007) and shared his prime with him, but crafted his own era from (2008-2010), and is still relevant to this day due to his numbers. Plus, there’s that whole personality thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Kobe’s not a top 5 talent of all time. He is co-MVP of his generation with Duncan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    So essentially, you’re saying that Pau Gasol carried the Lakers to back to back titles and 3 straight Finals appearances.

  • shockexchange

    Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time.

  • LakeShow

    6 points and 4 boards.

    lol

  • LakeShow

    Good incite. First time I have said this non-sarcastically in a while lol.

  • Caboose

    How about the years before Kobe was relevant? Duncan was doing his thing when Kobe rode the bench. Not to mention Duncan is currently averaging 19-10 while leading the league in Defensive Rating on the best team in the league.

  • Caboose

    No he’s not. He is the 2nd best SG of all time. Obviously.

  • Junior Taylor

    Mine’s MJ, LeBron, West (underrated 2-way great), Kobe, Larry and Magic.

  • Caboose

    West? Interesting, I didn’t know he was a post up player.

  • Anonymous

    watch some footage man, wilt routinely reached 12’8″ on rebounds! he could touch the top of the backboard which dwight and shaq couldn’t do. he was over 7’1″ in socks in todays league he would probably be listed at 7’3″. he reportedly had a vert of over 40 inches (at least in college and philly) and he was way more than just a dunker. he had a post fadeaway, a bankshot, a little free throw line jumper, hooks with both hands, was a willing and amazing passer. he was just an all around superior talent and would dominate any era. could you imagine chris bosh or brook lopez trying to D up the stilt? game over. he wouldn’t score 100 or average 50 but he would still be an MVP level player, easily.

  • Drig

    Kobe played in an O which didn’t cater to his strengths. Kobe played his prime in the minus handchecking but with zone era, which obviously makes it tough for superstar players like Kobe.

    Perspective.

  • Junior Taylor

    I thought you’re talking strictly in terms of one’s ability to impact the game on both ends of the floor (offense/defense). West was absolutely the greatest 2-way SG until MJ came onto the scene.

  • Caboose

    No no no, 2-way as in perimeter and post play.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You aren’t worth it.

  • KC

    Kobe is an MJ imitation. The same way a chrysler 300 is an imitation of a Bentley. The 300 is a great car but only until the Bentley pulls up. He is a volume shooter and has excelled at little else on the court. Average Passing, rebounding, leadership and overrated defense ability. I think this is in part due to the fact that he was trying to be Jordan and thought that was all about jacking up shots and still does. With that said he is still an all time great and a top 20 player in my opinion. People love to bring up his rings but he has been probably the most fortunate player in terms of having good teammates bar none. The lakers are able to reload year after year because players like LA and for some reason G.M’s are stupid enough to keep funneling them talent. What other player in this era has had even close to the talent that kobe got to play with? Absoulutely no one! When you think about all of the lakers Championships with Kobe he barely has any huge defining games or memorable moments. Shaq was the key to the first three and then Gasol for the next two. Now once again The Lakers get handed Nash and Howard. It won’t be popular i’m sure but it’s just my opinion

  • dam

    ‘These two have made me much money, and I love them for that’

  • The Fury

    Most of the people doesn’t want to look it that way. He clearly EARNED/WORKED everything to get where he is right now.

  • rande3p

    man some of these folks have comments that are hilarious… just look at skill and the stuff he does on the court.. hey stat geeks.. the dude is mega!

  • liz

    kobe will surpass mj in points:)

  • elmaar

    To me his selfishness and lack of true leadership has negated him as a player and in a way made his teams underachieve. Duncan at the same time has been the complete opposite which led Spurs to winning ships and being bona fide title contenders for since he came into the league and still going. So when someone is talking as if Kobe is somewhere near GOAT status I beg to differ and point out that it’s not that close.

  • Drig

    :( …………But I don’t see how I’m mistaken…….. We discussed about this and you did say that the reasons were plausible….. :(

  • 1fgmtnbyker

    I Kobe didn’t play with Shaq for all those years he would’ve passed 30,000 a long time ago and probably be passed MJ. The offense ran through Shaq back then.

  • pposse

    Wilt still would be Wilt in this league, atleast has a good chance to be (dont forget he was a straight up athlete running marathons champion volleyball player). And MJ would still dominate the league too in this day and age. So long as they are privy to the same training regimen/staff etc. then why wouldn’t they? Its the MENTAL aspect thats so different with the guys from yesteryear. It has nothing to do with IQ of the game, but mindset, I just do not see players now built with the mindset of these guys from the past at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I understand what you are saying and respect your points, but at the same time you know the man has legendary work ethic. And the 5 rings cannot be denied.

  • pposse

    has anyone every thought that the era in which Duncan was winning his rings was possibly the worse era in NBA history? I mean ofcourse now still TMac, VC, Iverson, etc. etc. are relevant and fan favorites, but like 30 years from now those guys will be completely forgotten by the next generation. Kids born right now are probably not gonna know anything about VC, Tmac or Iverson. I just see Duncan being one of the first to lose the ranks as top ten out of all the guys mentioned in Caboose’s post. Just look who the spurs had to go thru for the rings (sprewell, houston, camby? really?!…kidd jefferson kmart? you can’t be serious…pistons? well the pistons were legit. Lebron? a 22 yr old with no supporting cast?) Its not the spurs/duncans fault per say, but those finals were all wack (besides pistons).

  • Fat Lever

    People don’t realize that you put Wilt in today’s league, he has access to today’s training methods/technology. So saying he would be marginal is not valid to me. But again, this is all hypothetical anyway, so…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because, shooting %, specifically among Guards, hasn’t changed from Jordan’s era to Kobe’s. Defenses stronger, yes, but the effect that has had is on slowing the game down (which given the perspective i’ve already provided, should say even more about how much Kobe shoots the ball). Efficiency wise, we are currently in an era with the most efficient perimeter high-volume scorer of all-time (Kevin Durant), so it’s pretty foolish to try and chalk up the difference between Kobe and Jordan to era. Perspective.
    .
    The reason I don’t want to get into it with you, is because you are a flaming Kobe blowhard who doesn’t see anything from a non-Kobe-ontop of the world perspective. So it’s not worth it. For example, you will probably argue with the FACTS i just used.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m with @juniortaylor:disqus on this, if someone is operating under the impression Kobe is anything less than an all-time great, top 10(ish) player, 2nd all-time in terms of SG’s, and a top 5 scorer, then their opinion shouldn’t even be considered…..like the guy below this comment.

  • Grant Trill

    Jordan led the league in shots per game every year he played & punched out Steve Kerr in practice. Tell me again how he’s not near GOAT status? Kobe’s not a vocal leader; but neither was Larry Bird. They led by example with their focus & work ethic. Combine that with his natural skill-set, his status as a Top 5 scorer in NBA history & the fact he was the most dominate perimeter player in the world for an entire decade, it’s fair to say he’s Top 5 all-time.

  • LakeShow

    I agree with all this.
    Minus the vert. Probably 36-38″ at his peak. Which is incredible.

  • robb

    skill wise and you’re putting Shaq above the Dream? That’s just wrong dude.

  • LakeShow

    *Skill wise and capability wise*
    Shaq was more capable at his peak than Hakeem. Hakeem was always more skilled than Shaq.
    #ReadingComprehension.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    yezzir

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    cmon d stern!

  • Stephen A. Smith

    Kobe’s the 2nd greatest player ever, he said it himself.
    http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhC6mUZdhlDc6gtbW9

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m totally with you

  • BrownJesus

    Shaq had some of the most dominant seasons of anyone, but his lack of longevity should hurt his overall career when compared to the other great players. I think he is too high on your list for that reason.

  • manu

    shut up

    6 for 6 with 6 rings and 6 finals mvps

    all that needs to be said

    kobe wasn’t even the best player on the 00-02 laker teams

  • manu

    who the hell cares if he plays like jordan

    its funny cuz wilt, russell, kareem, magic, bird, shaq, duncan don’t play like jordan and they all r better overall players than kobe

  • http://www.facebook.com/koombuy.pride Koombuy Pride

    amen

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