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Thursday, December 13th, 2012 at 10:05 am  |  69 responses

Mark Jackson Calls Dwyane Wade the Third Best Shooting Guard Ever


The Golden State Warriors escaped Miami with an unlikely win last night, but not before head coach Mark Jackson paid Heat superstar Dwyane Wade a major compliment. Per the Palm Beach Post: “Mark Jackson is a coach now, and his Warriors have been one of the NBA’s surprises. Recently, he was an analyst, and he still is prone to making grand statements. Asked what Dwyane Wade looks like to him on tape these days, Jackson didn’t hesitate. ‘He’s a guy I love as a basketball fan’ Jackson said. ‘To me, he’s the third-best shooting guard to play the game. People think I’m crazy for saying that. And there’s no disrespect to anybody else. The guy is a winner, he competes, he’s an underrated passer, and we all know he can score the basketball.’ Jackson added — as you’d expect — that he has Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant first and second.”

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  • LLC#12

    All kinds of crazy

  • ChosenOne

    Jerry West.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Mark Jackson #drunj

  • roscoe

    bron bron would not have a ring w/out dwade.

    dwade is one of the leagues best competitors.

  • BlackFox32

    Hard to argue with. D-Wade posts career stats of 25ppg, 6apg, 5rpg, 1.8spg, 1.0bpg with 48% shooting from the field. 2 championships(and counting), a finals MVP, all-star game MVP. Best season posted 30ppg, 7.5apg, 5rpg, 2.2spg, 1.3bpg on 50% shooting. Thats ridiculus. Wade is arguably the best shot blocking guard ever, DEFINITELY the best shot blocker under 6-4 all time. Michael Jordan and Kobe are the only clear cut 2 guards better than Wade IMO. Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Clyde Drexler, Allen Iverson and Jerry West were all great but cannot compete with the combo of athleticism, skill and length that Wade possesses.

  • solito
  • charliewinning

    Jordan, Bryant, West. In that order.

  • wdpin

    shut the fck up

    Allen Iverson dommed Dwade in his prime

    AI is the 3rd best SG ever and its not even close

  • shutup

    Yet A.I. doesn’t have a Finals MVP or a ring, or a spot on a NBA team. Take the cornrows out ya head bruh and look at the stats objectively. A.I. was amazing but scoring was all he did; even if he did it with greatness. I still don’t have Wade as #3 but he’s ahead of Iverson on my list, no disrespect to A.I., Wade has had a better career.

  • partick

    ai is/was a pg

  • patrick

    Wade isn’t a traditional Shooting guard,,,he’s rather a Scoring guard

  • Dymez

    I’m not going to say whether I agree or disagree with him, but if you’ve heard Mark Jackson through the years since he’s been calling games, you would see how he’s been all over the place in all of his “rankings.”

  • BlackFox32

    Offensively it’s damn close and defensively Wade is in another galaxy lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    I’m curious – how does Wade compare to Jerry West? In terms of numbers, accolades, etc (too lazy to search it up at work, but I’d love to gain some insight into it)

  • spit hot fiyah

    not saying he is over wade, but clyde derxler is drastically underrated whenever all time shooting guards are mentioned

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s actually Jerry West who was better than Wade. Not Iverson.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yup

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    there is no such thing as a traditional shooting guard.
    .
    Positions were created so layman could understand concepts. Not for ANY other reason.

  • BlackFox32

    You can argue that West was better, his numbers are better than Wade in most categories. Without a doubt West is the better shooter of the two. I’d argue tho that Wade is the much better athlete and defender. I love the logo but I think Wade vs West in their primes would be pretty lopsided in Wades favor.

  • roscoe

    huh? whatever do you mean?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    is this a real question? if this is sarcasm it’s very hard to catch.

  • wdpin

    fck u callin bruh and how do you know I have cornrows? I dont ike your little condescending, sneak racist tone. I could be as white as you, which I am. but i see how you look at all iverson fans

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but here, watch this. i suggest EVERYONE watches this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vGy5wOhw03A

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if you argued Wade was the better defender you’d be arguing from a state of complete ignorance. complete and utter.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • ChosenOne

    Props on finding this article. The only issue I have is obviously the fact that the writer is making an estimate as to how many steals Jerry had, and not actual fact. However, numerous sources over history have said West was supreme at stealing the ball, and even some suggested he was around just under 10 A GAME!! Again, we don’t know this for fact but…. he was a better defender than most people think from the few playoff games I have seen of him on YouTube.
    He would be ahead of Stockton most definitely in SPG if the NBA had recorded them at that time I believe. It’s just the same with Wilt and Russell, as they both would undoubtedly be ahead of Hakeem in career blocks. It wouldn’t even be close actually.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes, Curtis does really great on all his articles and he is a historian of the game. He posted a piece on Bob Pettit yesterday that was pretty damn good.
    .
    West was a hawk defensively, if you ever get a chance to watch one of his old playoff games, try and count how many steals he gets. You will be hard pressed not to find at least 4 in every game.

  • roscoe

    yep… sarcasm.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thought so

  • BlackFox32

    Like I said, I love Jerry West. He’s easily a top 5 SG ever. In his era he was the best by far. My only problem with putting him ahead of Wade is that West was about 6’2, 180lbs. It would be tough for either of them to guard each other in their primes but physically D-Wade would dominate. If you deny that my only guess is you have been watching more old YouTube clips than Heat games.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you really really really can’t compare them like that. They played 50 years apart. The training, everything was different. I mean you can do that, but don’t expect anyone to take it seriously.
    .
    You have to take them for what they accomplished WHILE they were playing. Not what they would do in another era. The training is completely different for Wade then it was for West. Sh*t, Jerry West played 30 years before NBA player’s even started strength training. For all we know, West would have played in this era and been a 30PPG point guard. There is any number of directions a, what would one do against the other scenario can go. There is no logical basis to that argument, because it only takes place in your imagination.

  • roscoe

    that video is very interesting and i like the idea of it.

    i wonder if i could use their model for my pick up games.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s a great concept. ofcourse that initial introduction was put together by a non-basketball related person, so he just put the bare bones of stats together rather then really examining everything. So there is a huge ceiling to improve the system under. Which I would be willing to bet is the current project of a good number of NBA scouting departments as we speak.

  • BlackFox32
  • LakeShow

    Not well…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok? and Jerry West? I never said Wade wasn’t a very good defender. I said he wasn’t better than Jerry West. Who is right outside Walt Frazier, Gary Payton, and Michael Jordan among the all-time greats among guards. Wade on the other hand has been a prolific help defender, who has routinely struggled in on-ball defensive situations. That is, if you actually pay attention to more than the highlights and box scores.

  • BlackFox32

    You also said it would be complete and utter ignorance to argue otherwise. I get you are of the opinion West was the better player and defender. You choose to overlook the eras and competion these guys faced while I prefer not to do that. The fact of the matter is that Wade is much stronger physically and athletically, you can’t deny that. It’s not Wades fault Jerry West didn’t lift weights lol

  • ChosenOne

    But it also isn’t Jerry’s fault that he didn’t play in this era. It works both ways I guess.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes, but i can make the oh so ridiculous Physically and Athletically argument about James White too.

    .

    sh*t, what would happen to your argument if i compared Steve Nash to Guy Rodgers?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the argument is logically broken just to say you’d take Wade because of his physical gifts.

  • BlackFox32

    Obviously that’s not the only reason. I believe he’s the more skilled player of the two as well. The being athletically superior thing is just a fact. You can also throw in the fact wade has 2 rings to Jerry’s 1. WAde might still get 2 or 3 more. When you are arguing about guys this good it’s so close but I guess I just prefer Wade. I honestly think the gap between Wade and Kobe for #2 is closer than Wade and Jerry West for #3.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    more skilled at what? not shooting. not passing. not man to man defense based on all the information and video available for the two -(Jerry West averaged 2.6SPG as a 35 year old. Wade has averaged over 2SPG….twice, ever. 2.2SPG being the highest).
    .
    Wade was more skilled in athleticism related areas – blocking shots, finishing at the rim.
    .
    other than that, West has a clear advantage everywhere else.

  • ChosenOne

    I agree. That’s what I’m saying, you can’t give physical gifts, or eras to rate one player over another. Tyson Chandler is way more athletic than Bill Russell was….. but their career productivity?…. Russell wins in a heartbeat obviously.
    West > Wade.. but I would have Wade over AI.
    I’ve always thought Clyde was more a forward.

  • BlackFox32

    Passing and defense are two areas I believe West and Wade are relatively close. Wade didn’t steal the ball as well as West while shot blocking goes the other way. They are neck to neck in apg. Where West has the “clear” advantage is as a shooter, and it’s a big advantage. Wade is the better slasher and finisher. I think we could probably go on about this all day lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Man, West led the league in assists. Wade is not the passer West was. And if you don’t want to yield on the defensive thing that’s fine, I just don’t see how you can view it that way if you know about West’s career, especially if blocking shots is how you justify it. As that aspect of Wade’s or any guards game is a treat rather than a substantial important part. It’s not like a big man whose block number represents how many shots he’s altering.

  • BlackFox32

    Hey to each his own I guess. My only question to you then is where would you rank Wade?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Personally, I have like 3 different ways I categorize players but for relation to this argument. – Jordan
    - Bryant
    - West
    - Wade
    - Drexler
    .
    Iverson was more a PG than SG. I hate labeling him. I hate labeling Jerry West. I hate labeling Oscar Robertson. I hate labeling Clyde Drexler.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t like categorizing any of, -Oscar Robertson-Jerry West-Allen Iverson-Clyde Drexler

  • roscoe

    as i watched it i counted about 12 rabbit holes to go down with this type of analysis.

    i agree with you that there is a place for this type of analysis accompanied with the wisdom of basketball minds, scouts, coaches, and players.

    the speaker is probably on his way to revolutionizing sports evaluation. stoked for him.

  • shutup

    I am not white, nor a racist, white people can have cornrows too. The whole cornrows thing is a A.I. thing nvm, sensitive @$$. Knew you were the emotional type by how you started your first comment, hope you have some midol, it’s gonna be a rough week for you sweety.

  • Datkid

    this is absolutely fascinating. Thank You for putting it on here.

  • Datkid

    Jerry West is arguably better, but he’s also arguably better than Kobe Bryant. Regardless he’s probably more of a PG ever so I don’t have a problem with this. and D.wade’s performance in the 2006 finals makes him hyper elite.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man i’m happy you watched it for real.

  • Datkid

    How can I not? it’s not like it’s a lecture on astrophysics. it’s sports. and positional versatility is incredibly fascinating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Yawn. Mark Jackson says alot of sh*t. Superlatives are us! Even my mum used to say GTFOH about dude’s ‘commentating’

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Okay. I’ve said some controversial stuff, but here goes. Aside from Chamberlain/Russell (because of size/skill) I really think a lot of NBA ‘stars’ from yesteryear weren’t that good, or should I say in the sixties I would have played NBA. No kidding. I have watched footage of West, Big O and I gotta say…”meh”. Big O was impressive with that whole triple double average, I admit, but that back-down dribble turnaround J was sh*t! We’ve all played people who did that sh*t and that move is OLD. Same with the ‘logo’ I can see he could play and was fast and stuff, but those moves he has, aside from the ‘j’ were crud, and Wade woulda shut him down…
    Waiting on the hate…

  • http://twitter.com/seanmagicjuan Sean Superstar Juan

    Name a situation where D. Wade has “struggled” on-ball defensively?

  • http://twitter.com/seanmagicjuan Sean Superstar Juan

    You dudes don’t speak with ANY credibility though, anyone who thinks that Tyson Chandler is even remotely close to Bill Russell athletically is just uninformed.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No. I’m not jumping back into a 4 month old argument just to give
    You am example of something you can find on your own.

  • brad09

    pretty lopsided might be an over statement, Wade is a much better rebounder than West. Their defense is probably a push, but West was probably a more complete offensive player and a better passer.

  • real

    Wrong. Wade is a better defender and would out play him because Wade is faster and more atheletic

  • r

    Wrong. West didnt even play against all the greats during his era. Yes West was a better shooter but that was it

  • http://twitter.com/seanmagicjuan Sean Superstar Juan

    So you jump back into the same 4 month old argument just to deflect because you realize you made an ridiculous statement and can’t back it up. Good job.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no i got an email. and was letting you know i’m not wasting my time. just like right now.

  • Markvag

    In a literal sense you are not wrong,nutrition,strength training,specialization have produced much better athletes in all sports.Back in the day players competed just as hard on court,but had other lives also.Pay was not outrageous and players had other interests.Cousy took a year off to work at a gas station.Players were not so over endorsed that that they could not voice a political opinion.They played everything until they discovered what they were best at,they stayed in school.Now an athlete is recognized early in life and is given an entourage of help to guide them to be the best they can be and focused on the goal of the big bucks.Not saying players are not playing with as much pride on the court,they just have a lot more help and motivation in getting there.West in this era would be overwhelmed.On the other hand any modern player would suck in West’s era because palming the ball used to be a violation.

  • iFry

    The fact that the competition is so much better in this decade Wade is a much better defender. He’s got some major guard milestones! Arguably one of the greatest finals performances ever.. first player under 6’4″ to reach 2k pts, 500asst, 100 blks, 100 steals! End of story, Wade all day

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sorry bro, but i can’t judge guys based on which decade they played in. i can only judge them for what they did against their competition.

  • tDUB

    3 rings, finals mvp, 1 time scoring champ, a guard that averages a block per game and almost 2 steals for his career. I think wade would be more dominant than west back then as a premier force and on the flip side, I think west would be like a steve nash in this time, also very dominant. Wade vs jerry west a tough one,but I’d still take a prime Wade

  • tDUB

    West played in the younger days of basketball. It was probably much easier to take the ball away back then

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