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Thursday, December 20th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  142 responses

Pau Gasol Says Mike D’Antoni’s System Makes it ‘Tough’ for Post Players


by Marcel Mutoni / @ marcel_mutoni

Los Angeles Lakers head coach Mike D’Antoni is currently dealing with a problem that 29 other NBA coaches envy greatly: in Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard, D’Antoni has two supremely gifted post players.

Mike’s problem is that he has yet to figure out how to maximize Pau and Dwight’s abilities. Gasol admits that he’s not sure if D’Antoni’s offensive system — which places a premium on three-pointers and perimeter play — can take advantage of the Lakers’ ability to dominate the paint.

Per USA Today:

“I don’t find (playing with Howard) tough,” Gasol said. “It’s more the system right now that makes it tough at times, because (D’Antoni) wants four guys to be spread and one interior guy and it’s a guard-oriented system, so that makes it tough. I think there’s enough looks for both of us. But again, it’s not a system that you post up a lot, so we’ll see. We’ve just got to figure it out, but if you’ve got two great post-up players, you’ve got to utilize it.”

Before the game (Tuesday night), D’Antoni reiterated that Howard would be a focal point in the paint but that Gasol would have to adjust. “It’s Pau who has to expand his game, and he’ll expand out in the corner threes and he needs to take a couple, and we’ll get him in the post when we can,” D’Antoni said.

Kobe Bryant has made public his wish for Pau Gasol to get more touches in the post, but the big man remains frustrated with his role on the team (though the organization claims that they have no intention to trade him this season.)

The Los Angeles Lakers are hoping that Steve Nash and his soon-to-be 39 year-old legs and back can help solve most of these issues when he returns to the court. Fans are understandably nervous and skeptical.

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  • thesage

    Mike D’Antoni’s ‘system’ makes winning tough, too.

  • shockexchange

    The Gimp is saying the obvious. Prepare for another round of flogging.

  • Its a shame that a team with 2 of the best postplayers in the game have a offensive system that is made for good 3pointshooters and good perimeter players. Because the Lakers dont have a lot of good 3pointshooters or good perimeter players outside of Kobe, Nash and maybe Meeks (when he is feeling it)

  • danpowers

    if you dont have athletic, individually strong defenders on your roster, it makes defense tough as well

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    extremely tough

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    its a problem

  • spit hot fiyah

    buss had epic fail of a hiring, he should just have swallowed his pride and signed phil jax. this might be one of the worst rosters for dantoni to coach in the entire league since he doesn’t seem to be able to adapt his coaching style to his palyers’ styles

  • RunNGun

    Pau Gasol shooting corner threes? LOL That’s like having D12 shoot free throws all day. :)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    False
    Career Record, 395-348.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    everyone wants to just blame the coach tho, don’t ruin it for everyone. people still think this team would have won with Phil Jackson, let them live their angry little lives.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    lol hes been doing that ish alot!

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    he didn’t adapt in NY and he ‘sho won’t adapt in LA

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    he didn’t adapt in NY and he ‘sho won’t adapt in LA. word on mammy

  • roscoe

    $20 million per season Pau… real tough, gee, i feel for you, man, shucks, golly, oh-man, dang, how do you do it, oh, wow…

    get over it or ask to be traded.

  • danpowers

    well… coach dantoni had most knicks teams he was coaching and now the lakers underachieving. i wouldnt blame it all on him but its quite obvious that he shouldve never left the suns. he regretted leaving to sign with the knicks and i think for a good reason: he left all his mojo in phoenix. he would have to adjust his system to fit the players there which he failed to do in ny when anthony came. i heard some analysts (i think it was at least jvg during the lakers knicks game) say that he didnt do that yet in la neither.

    ““It’s Pau who has to expand his game, and he’ll expand out in the corner threes and he needs to take a couple, and we’ll get him in the post when we can,” D’Antoni said.”

    sh*t like this really gets me bonkers, mate. when i see statements like that one i wanna call him and yell “trade him for ryan anderson then if you dont know how to use him”.

    handing a bunch of good lowpost players to dantoni is like giving the next best hoodrat a diamond ring

  • http://www.facebook.com/sean.bankston Sean Bankston

    Mike D: 395/743 = 53% winning percentage
    Mike B: 314/481 = 65% winning percentage.

    Why did they fire Brown again? To hire an even worse coach with a terrible system for this roster? Dumb.

  • danpowers

    exactly

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    thank u!

  • danpowers

    looks like its gonna be another nice christmas game for the knicks lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Knicks team under achieved?

    - His first year with them, 08-09 they were horrible. HORRIBLE. No coach was winning with that team.

    - His second year with them, 09-10 they were equally horrible. When 4 of your top 5 scorers are all 6-9″ and bad low post defender the chances of your team winning more than you lose is pretty much 0, so no surprise there either.

    -His third year with them, 10-11 they were 42-40 under him. Despite only having 6 players play over 60 games for his team (and only 2 of which being starters – Landry Fields & Amar’e Stoudemire)

    -His fourth year 11-12, that team was a mess. an asbolute mess. and Melo, despite everyone wanting to blame it on D’Antoni, wasn’t even engaged & in no way bought into the offense that he was BROUGHT INTO. I mean, the team had a winning record with Jeremy Lin as their best player and a losing record with Melo (until Woodson took over), that should say something about Melo. Not D’Antoni.
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    i hate that we want to blame things on a coach. You people want to blame the Lakers sucking on D’Antoni, when we all watched them suck before he got there. Now, 20 games into coaching the team, without a training camp, and 0 games with his entire roster, people want his head on a platter. It’s irrational, and stupid. This isn’t football, you don’t have 16 games to figure things out.

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  • shockexchange

    Mike Brown also led a Cleveland team with nothing more than “LeBron and the Pips” to the NBA Finals. For some reason (the Shock Exchange has his own opinion) certain people have heat for Mike Brown and the sheep blindly follow.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    First of all, D’Antoni is definitely a better coach then Mike Brown. Everyone knows this. Brown basically got that record because he coached the best regular season player over the last 15 years in the weakest Eastern conference in decades, it’s really that simple. Ask people in Cleveland (who were actually around the team, they will tell you Brown basically didn’t do a damn thing aside from organize the defense, everything else was up to LeBron – i’m not be sensationalistic, this is what i’ve heard from multiple people who spent years around the organization.)
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    With that being said, the Lakers shouldn’t have fired Mike Brown. That was a stupid ass decision. No coach was going to win with that team in the fashion they were trying to do it. The coach with the best chance at winning looked like D’Antoni for a few very simple reasons,
    – 1) Steve Nash & Dwight Howard. Steve is obviously most comfortable in D’Antoni’s system, and Dwight really needs someone to set him up, he isn’t going to thrive in the post playing with Kobe and Pau who are probably better post options even though he’s uber efficient.
    - 2) There would be no training camp. If Phil came in and tried to teach the triangle during the season, with guys like Dwight Howard, Jordan Hill, Devin Ebanks, & Darius Morris as guys who will be prominent in the rotation, you will be taking a very very confusing step back, in hopes that it can all be put together right around the playoffs at the very very very earliest. It wasn’t a safe bet with Dwight on an expiring contract. — which everyone wants to ignore.
    - 3) this is the most important reason, and another that everyone wants to ignore. the team is paper thing after it’s starters, like tissue paper thin. and no coach does more without a bench then D’Antoni. This is inarguable, everyone who has watched his career as a coach knows he gets more out of his starters and less out of his deep bench then anyone. which is a gift and a curse. on this Lakers team, it looked like, (and still does once Nash comes back) he would be best suited to get the most success out of the team in a SHORT amount of time.

  • shockexchange

    The only problem is that Mike Brown, who has a better coaching resume than D’Antoni, was put on the chop block for less.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    That’s not that good of a record. It amounts to 53%, which is substantially lower than that of his comparable contemporaries. Rick Adelman has 59%, George Karl has 59%, Phil Jackson (who they should have hired) has a 70% record. Hell, even Mike Brown has a 65% W/L record.

    I said the last time we discussed this that outside of PHX (a system PERFECT for his offense given the players), D’Antoni has not had much success implementing his style. He did not do well in Denver, he did not do well in NY, and he certainly isn’t doing very well in LA. Good coaches will adjust to their personnel (just ask Phil Jackson) and utilize their strengths, not force All-Star post players to play the role of Andrea Bargnani.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    as i’ve said numerous times, Brown shouldn’t have been fired. But everyone knows he’s not a better coach than D’Antoni. Ignorance is what leads people to believe Brown is a great coach.
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    Watching his team (specifically in the playoffs), listening to people around/within the Cavaliers Organization, it was pretty clear that he didn’t possess any of the offensive intelligence a coach needs to make proper adjustments. He had no control over his players, (and never demanded the respect of his stars, which is FAR AND AWAY the most important aspect of a championship contending coach).

  • danpowers

    on the third year: this team was doing fine and great on offense but was mostly emberassing on d even though they had some solid defenders like turiaf, fields, chandler, douglas, balkman, (even gallo is an underrated defender) or jeffries (a little mixed up due to the trade, but still). dont you think they couldve done better with a coach who preaches defense and uses these tools properly?

    i mean the difference was obvious when woodson took over last season. in the same season they changed to put on a 18-6 record. i am really disappointed that you come up with that lin stretch in here.

    i dont want to exagerate these few games dantoni is at the lakers helm now but i thought even b4 game 1 he was the wrong choice for them and till now he didnt do much to prove that oppinion of many nba followers wrong. its obviously not all on dantoni but when even one of his best guys complains about his system, the public oppinion might not be THAT wrong about him.

    id totally agree tho that the guys on the roster also play a big role in that stretch

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    But defense isn’t even something he cares about. He was hired for his offense, and his offense is ill suited given the personnel If you have a bunch of old guys on your team, your best way to win is to slow it down and play a half court game, ESPECIALLY when you have 2 7 footers plus a post-up SG. Instead, D’Antoni has Gasol playing the roll of pick man (and nothing else) and is amazingly dependent on PnRs and nothing else. When Nash comes back, his system might be more effective overall, but right now, its not very good. I miss the spacing and post opportunities of the triangle.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in regards to D’Antoni’s third year, you name Ronnie Turiaf, who sure, he’s a good defender, he’s also one of the worst offensive player’s in the league and has never been a big role player on a good team. – Balkman is in the exact same boat.
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    That Knicks team had 0 isolation scorers. A coach who preaches defense would have been in hell trying to score with that team. 42-40 with Amar’e Stoudemire as your rim protector is a damn good record. Especially when him and Felton were statistically the only 2 above average NBA player’s on the whole roster.
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    And after the Melo trade the team went 14-13. I mean, that’s really good considering they butchered the whole team and had not a single good defensive big (Shawne Williams was their starting PF, w/ Shelden Williams & Ronnie Turiaf as the primary backup Centers).
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    i would be hard pressed to call such an unbalanced team winning 42 games in a season where big changes were occurring while a lot of the roster was new in the first place “underachieving”

  • RayJr

    Ok so D’Antoni is encouraging Pau to expand his game out to the 3 point line and then get him in the post “when we can”…what’s next? Having Nash or Steve Blake post up more when they return? I don’t get what D’Antoni is trying to do with Pau or this Lakers team…

  • danpowers

    its not that they only had these guys, come on. b4 the melo trade there were also wing guys like chandler and gallinari who played really well, same with flields’ suprising rookie season. even mozgov was quite useful. id consider that roster at least as solid. i wont say that dantoni did a bad job, just that a focus on defense wouldve might served them a little better as they still had stat, gallo, chandler and felton to put the ball into the basket and assets like sha. williams or fields who played their roles nicely. i give dantoni some credit for some of these guys good play, too. just hated an offensively oriented system as a knicks fan lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, when has Phil Jackson adjusted to his personnel? And you do realize he said that the team isn’t that good and he doesn’t actually want to coach them after seeing how truly bad they are, like last week?
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    What has Mike Brown really done to make people think he’s so great? he won 65% of his games coaching LeBron James & then 1 year of a team 2 years removed from a title. Congratulations! He also has never gained the respect of a star player (LeBron literally did whatever he wanted, the guy even joked around during Mike Brown’s tape sessions – and we know how Kobe really felt about him right? or is that not obvious?)
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    But sure, let’s name coaches who are all Hall Of Fame Coaches except Mike Brown, and deem D’Antoni a failure. Especially because he can’t seem to win with a PG rotation of Chris Duhon and Darius Morris, while his PF pouts about a system he hasn’t even given a chance to be implemented and a Center who clearly isn’t in game shape and apparently might not even be healthy. Because that’s not an overreaction.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Gallinari and Chandler shot 41% and 46% inside D’Antoni’s offense. And if you haven’t noticed, they were far and away at their most effective offensively that season. — and you think they would have done better in a slower more defensive oriented pace, WHY exactly? How many top defensive teams (outside of teams with LeBron) are elite without a top tear rim protector? go ahead, i’ll wait.

  • shockexchange

    Whoever said he was a great coach? The Shock Exchange only said he’s led his team to the Finals, and he has a better coaching resume than D’Antoni. Those are just the facts; you don’t have to speak to people around/within the Cavs organization to know that. To hear you tell it, when Melo doesn’t buy into D’Antoni’s system, “It’s Melo’s fault.” If someone doesn’t buy into what Brown’s doing, “Brown doesn’t demand respect from his stars.” When D’Antoni’s system doesn’t work after 15 games, “D’Antoni needs more time … he hasn’t had his entire team together yet.” When Brown falters with a new offense after 5 games, “He lacks offensive intelligence a coach needs to make proper adjustments.” Bottom line is, you speak with “forked tongue.”

  • danpowers

    nah i dont think they wouldve played better offensively in a defensive oriented system. just good enough to knock some shots down to punish defenses that focused on stat.

    well, you mentioned the lebron cavs. do the something around 2000 magic with darrell armstrong, the playoff-bobcats and the late 90s cavs count?
    that knick team was no contender anyway, it was a “we might get to the playoffs” squad and i repeat it: that team wouldve been better when defensively oriented. would these guys really have been so much worse at putting the ball into the basket with another system? or at least a defensive focus? you may be right, im jst not so sure as i never really got warm with dantoni

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    have you even watched the Lakers this season at all? The team is shooting a lot of 3′s and playing at a fast pace. But they are also only using about 5% of their plays on Pick and Rolls. The rest come in isolation (Kobe), and the Post (Dwight & Kobe) – the problem is, teams are doubling down, forcing the Lakers to kick out and shoot 3′s.

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    And the reason the defense is SO bad is because of how often they turn the ball over. The team is 2nd in the league in turn over rate (at almost 15% of their possessions) — considering D’Antoni’s system literally relies on efficiency, them turning the ball over a lot is completely count intuitive to the team success……but guess what?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Phil Jackson hasn’t adjusted? He uses one system, but the dynamics of the system change based on who’s playing it. The fact that he’s posted winning seasons with one system in a variety of distinguishable teams (early Bulls, late Bulls, 00s Lakers, Kwame-Lakers, Pau Lakers, Pau/Bynum Lakers) should be enough to prove that he can adjust his system to personnel. Again, D’Antoni has had one successful tenure as a coach while pushing his system, and that was in PHX.

    I compared him to HOF coaches because that is how people revere him, and that is how this hiring was revered – we were hiring a first class coach. He is a great coach, but the best coaches can usually make even the worst of teams overachieve, and can adjust, no?

    D’Antoni is underachieving despite a top-heavy roster, which he prefers. Granted, Nash hasn’t been implemented yet, but a roster of Kobe, Howard and Pau should be enough to win you games. And I’ve seen the games.

    Also, I HATED Mike Brown. I also hated that we hired him. Ditto for D’Antoni. I really would have preferred we hire Brian Shaw or maybe Rick Adelman (he was available in 2011 I believe), or best of all, PJax when we had the chance to and Jimmy decided to pull a Jimmy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    do you completely lack the ability to remember what you’ve read?
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    where did i blame Mike Brown for anything happening THIS season? the 5 games? not even considering it. His offensive deficiencies were obvious in Cleveland, and LA last season.
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    i’m not like most the people here, i don’t react after a short amount of time. I’m not irrational and i don’t just flow with the wind. What i said is about what each coach has shown over time.
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    And if you want to consider these coaches resumès then consider their entire resumè, and look at what D’Antoni did in europe (which, is the direction the NBA game is going, if you haven’t noticed. and it is thanks to him)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when has a team without an isolation scorer EVER been great by focusing on defense and not offense.
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    F*CKING LOOK AT THE NUGGETS SINCE THE MELO TRADE.
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    They alone should squash your entire theory. Why aren’t they? because George Karl is the coach and you think they focus on defense? cause they don’t.

  • shockexchange

    The only think obvious in Cleveland was the lack of talent Brown had to work with. Outside of LeBron, those Cleveland teams were not very talented. They had no business making it to the ECF, let alone the NBA Finals. We’re splitting hairs on the D’Antoni v. Brown debate. D’Antoni has a good coaching resume. It’s just that Brown’s is better.

  • initbruv

    That’s a weak a** winning percentage.

  • initbruv

    Is D’Antoni your dad or your lover or something? Calm down. He’s an OK coach, let’s not give him too much credit.

  • pposse

    there has to be some sort of relation here..im guessing nephew

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    lmao

  • initbruv

    Have you seen some of the teams Sloan pushed to over 50%? There sure as hell wasn’t a Melo or Stoudemire on his rosters after Stockton and Malone left. You have way too much confidence in D’Antoni and you’re tying yourself in pretzels trying to be his cheerleader.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it was simply a reply to, “Mike D’Antoni’s ‘system’ makes winning tough, too”
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    so i showed that is false. simple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    I’m sorry but this is an indictment on the coach. It’s the coach’s job to adapt his offensive sets around his players not the other way around. It’s not Gasol’s job to become a 3pt shooter overnight, his skillset calls for him to be close to the basket and as a matter of fact, Gasol should be the focal point of the frontcourt not Howard.

  • Guest

    we’ll see if Steve Nash is going to come back and “fix” this team, because D’Antoni has no idea how to play Dwight and Pau together.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    we’ll see if Steve Nash is going to come back and “fix” this team, because D’Antoni has no idea how to play Dwight and Pau together…

  • initbruv

    “I’m not like most people here. I don’t react after a short amount of time. I’m not irrational.”….when you have to be the one saying it about yourself, it’s probably not true. It’s also an obnoxious personal trait to talk like that. So you should work on that.

  • initbruv

    Yes you are simple, you’re right.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    are you under the impression that i don’t think Phil Jackson is greatest coach of all-time? Cuz i never even implied that.

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    I said he doesn’t adjust his system for his personnel. Cuz he doesn’t. He uses the same system. The thing is, his system is way better then anyone else’s. But it’s also much more complex, and the lack of training camp was the key reason why i personally thought D’Antoni was a better fit for the team right now.

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    And no, “the best coaches can usually make even the worst of teams overachieve, and can adjust, no?” – not without a training camp. Look at Phil Jackson’s history as a coach, his winning happens in the 2nd year under his system (well aside from 2000, which is technically his first season, even though the whole second half of the prior season was Kurt Rambis implementing the structure of the triangle, but whatever).

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    The fact that people think this Lakers team should be winning right now is pretty much ridiculous. If you are actually watching them play, it is clear they have a huge skill issue, and a health issue. The team simply was not put together to deal with injuries. And that’s what they are experiencing. Along with all of the changes management irrationally made at the beginning of the season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are a jackass.

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    i was responding to this, “When Brown falters with a new offense after 5 games, “He lacks offensive intelligence a coach needs to make proper adjustments.”

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    it’s a RESPONSE. learn to read things in context, this is the second time i’ve had to explain to you that i am responding.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    good one. stung the heart. you’re deep insights are wonderful.

  • initbruv

    I did read all of your horseshit. And you are still an obnoxious person. Don’t try to explain yourself, I’ve already made up my mind about you sir.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    did i ever say D’Antoni was a better coach then Jerry Sloan?
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    you are annoying as sh*t with your terrible replies that are completely and utterly out of context.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    do you have anything to add that makes a difference? is anything i just said actually false? no? k.

  • initbruv

    Nope, I’m just enjoying letting you know what a goober you clearly are.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    good work. it is really working, i might even disappear from this website in shame.

  • initbruv

    Nobody is making you reply.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    did i say i have an issue replying?

  • ChosenOne

    Just wait for Steve Nash to come back. D’Antoni works better with Nash, he even said this. He even regrets leaving the Suns (well, leaving Nash to be honest). Nash basically ran those Suns teams. Mike D didn’t really have to coach in Phoenix really….
    I’m telling y’all, Nash will get it working, he’s a magician and he works wonders.
    Nash impacted D’Antoni’s career the same way LeBron impacted Mike Brown’s basically.

  • initbruv

    You spelled “your” wrong. You only use an apostrophe when you’re saying the equivalent of you are. Get it?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol. i am not explaining myself for you. i am seeing that you can’t read. so i assume other’s can’t either. you are just helping me make it clear to the illiterate. i don’t care about your opinion of me even a little.

  • initbruv

    Um…no. By replying you’re showing that you do not have an issue with replying. You goober.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nop’e

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    good work, well then, stating nobody is making me reply seems a little redundant now doesn’t it? do you not know what redundant means?

  • initbruv

    That is incorrect sir. But I’m going to stop now because I’ve polluted this thread too much already. I just couldn’t resist anymore. You take care nbk. Remember, proper English is needed to clearly express yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no it isn’t. you clearly new (<– they're too) (<— and their) (<— also hear) (<— and again) what i meant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and Jimmy didn’t make that decision. As so many of you people who don’t actually know what you are talking about think.
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    Dr. Jerry Buss decided to hire Mike D’Antoni.
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    DR. JERRY BUSS

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just like anything on this website, i argue over what is logical. probably get used to it. it’s been this way for years.

  • initbruv

    I know but if you’re going to rant every day (yes, every single day I see your garbage on here) on this website then at least learn correct English. Otherwise you’re just a goober with a computer.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh no! one douchebag thinks proper english is important when he already knows what i’m saying, in a comment section on a basketball website! i better use my college education to proof read my comments for any minor grammatical errors or he’ll think i’m a goober!
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    again, i. do. not. give. a. flying. f*ck. about. anyone’s. opinion. of. me.
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    i am here to argue/debate about a subject i enjoy during my freetime. just like me. it’s simple.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Those Cleveland teams, and Mike Brown (offensively only, he’s a great defensive mind) were exposed in the playoffs.
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    and of all the people on this website to try and use success to back up their argument, you shouldn’t be the one doing it.
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    or do you want to reshape your opinion of Kobe now?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    not that i disagree, cuz i don’t at all but i’m pretty sure D’Antoni’s job as much as adjusting, is to make Dwight comfortable so he resigns. If he built the offense around Gasol and used Dwight how he did Shaq (like he should for the better of the team) it would make sense to assume Dwight will become very unhappy.

  • shockexchange

    Those Cleveland teams were not “exposed.” They just were not that talented; if anything, they overachieved. As far as Horry Jr is concerned, the Shock Exchange has given him credit for success. He played on teams with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L,” leading to his being the “biggest winner of her era,” just like Robert Horry. What higher compliment can the Shock Exchange give a player?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    considering he’s nothing close to Robert Horry, and was the best player on 2 title teams. (even if he wasn’t their greatest strength, he WAS their best player.) You think by giving back handed compliments you are really giving the guy the credit he deserves? You are amazing, i know you aren’t this ridiculous in real life, that would be impossible.

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    They were exposed. LeBron was good enough to get them to overachieve (Detroit in 2007 for example), but when he wasn’t (Orlando + Boston (Twice)) the team was helpless. Brown made no offensive adjustments. Basically if LeBron wasn’t good enough to dominate the game, Brown just rolled over, instead of tryin to find a different angle on his opponent where he could create an advantage.

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    Not that them failing to win was all on Brown, the team really did over achieve, but it wasn’t because of Brown’s abilities as an overall head coach. He created a GREAT defense, and then let LeBron be LeBron on offense.

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    But he never demanded LeBron’s respect. He never made offensive adjustments. (his team went from the 6th best offense in the league during the regular season his last year, to scoring 85-86-87-88 in his four losses against Boston). He was exposed.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    Triangle offense is alot to soak in, especially for new heads.

    And yes, everyone seems to forget that Dwight is on a one season contact

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s all i’m saying. i am not saying D’Antoni is a better coach or even close.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    It’s only a successful system if a championship was won. Dantoni system is trash

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    Yes, all on jerry

  • shockexchange

    As far as the “Horry Jr debate,” the Shock Exchange is gonna give you a lifeline. Why don’t you go check with “the people within/around the Cavaliers, Lakers, Knicks, Lottomatica organizations” before trying to engage him. And for the last time, the only “adjustments” Brown could have made on those Cleveland teams was trade for a playoff caliber power forward, point guard, and shooting guard to go along with LeBron.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    Hahhaha at the ring reference

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    The Felton/stour admire era was good. Had the Knicks winning, when Carmelo came in.. Dantoni combusted

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    I remember chandler shooting a grip of 3′s

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    I don’t support him. He seems to cave into pressure. Can we agree that?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    or he could have done something other then try and get LeBron to score by dribbling on the high post and running a pick and pop with Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He could have used LeBron and Mo Williams in Pick and Rolls. He could have put LeBron is position to catch the ball within an offense rather then initiate it. He could have played LeBron at something outside of PG or SF. There are many many things he could have done.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s fine. i don’t have a problem with anyone not trusting D’Antoni. I have a problem with people using false reasoning.
    .
    i don’t think D’Antoni is the best coach in the world at all. But i think he was a good choice for the situations the Lakers are in, and should get ample time to succeed or fail. Not 20 games w/ a team completely ravaged by injuries. that isn’t fair. just like it wasn’t fair to fire Mike Brown.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    i agree about the system learning… triangle system is complicated

  • LakeShow

    Your doing yeoman’s work here man.

  • shockexchange

    Brown could have done all those things and the Cavs still would not have gone further than they did. Other than bringing in more talent, Brown would been better off putting itching powder in the socks of the Cavs’ opponents.
    Dude you still speak with forked tongue. If Riley or Phil had been coaching this team, you’d be complaining how the Cavs management didn’t bring in the necessary talent to win a chip.

  • shockexchange

    Just when I was about to say, “Hurry up and log in as ‘Lake Show’ and start agreeing with yourself.” Looks like you beat the Shock Exchange to it nbk.

  • LakeShow

    Would still be better than the 5 posters you come on here as to give yourself “up votes”… lol your incredulous, and everyone here know’s it.
    It’s why your struggling to get that 5th book off the shelf. . .

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange sees you nbk.

  • LakeShow

    The book sales “Top 1 billion chart” don’t see you…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the shock exchange is blind.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha i wouldn’t go that far

  • shockexchange

    nbk, you should disagree with yourself every once in a while so it doesn’t look so obvious.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he didn’t do those things. so how do you know? the point is, he is the coach, it’s his job to make adjustments and not roll over. He rolled over.
    .
    and i already said it’s not all on Brown and they did over achieve. please f*cking atleast read what i say, i understand you aren’t very good at this saying relevant stuff thing, but at least read what you are arguing about. it would safe both of us time and frustration. Your frustration trying to spell out words and form sentences and my frustration from repeating myself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you have been reading this website for “12 years” and never saw me and Lakeshow have summer long arguments?
    .
    fact – you are an ignorant liar.

  • shockexchange

    Dude, the Shock Exchange gave you a lifeline. Use it before commenting further.

  • pposse

    ive seen those summer long arguments, it was like watching a scene right out of the movie Fight Club.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the shock exchange could give me a billion dollars. i will still respond the same way.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t know if that’s a good thing or whatever

  • Enigmatic

    wOw who iz dis nbk guy he needz 2 get a lif allz he deos iz right like 50 500 word commets on this cite. Dood get a lif! U prob nvr even watchd nba i bet yuor name standz 4 “no baseketball knowlegde!”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Looooool

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Looks like somebody has been hanging out with the Nerve.

  • LakeShow

    GLAD YOU DIDN’T COME BACK IN FULL YELL MODE LIKE UNFROZENCAVEMANLAWYER.

  • shockexchange

    No Lake Show, the Shock Exchange did witness those “summer long arguments.” Apparently the Shock Exchange’s life has been in vain.

  • RUBLOCK

    4real wtf fire that chump

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    are you really stupid enough to think i can possibly comment enough to have the most comments on two different accounts? while keeping a job and life? how would that be possible?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i was replying to this, “I HATED Mike Brown. I also hated that we hired him. Ditto for D’Antoni. I really would have preferred we hire Brian Shaw or maybe Rick Adelman (he was available in 2011 I believe), or best of all, PJax when we had the chance to and Jimmy decided to pull a Jimmy.”
    – not you.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    Yessir!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but since i’ve seen this i might as well post it.

    .

    i feel like i’ve done this ( http://i.minus.com/iIRemm6yx4yEq.gif ) to everyone in here’s argument. for the record.

  • LakeShow

    I love Keith Bogans looking at him. Adds so much to it. That’s awesome.

  • y

    Excellent points. I personally wish theyd have got the phil jax aura, but your arguments make me willing to give it more time. I want kobe to get that 6th!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i appreciate it. and it pains me to make these arguments in a sense. because i live in Phoenix. and want so badly to resume my normal role around here as Lakers pessimist. But Lakers fans and every regular Lakers hater seems to be all so willing to jump the gun without Phil around. Which is exactly the opposite of what they’d be doing if he were. Even though they would be having the exact same struggles (except it would probably be Dwight who was unhappy instead of Pau).

  • bill

    Denver and LA should switch coaches ;)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well then, Jerry Sloan’s system is trash. Rick Adelman’s system is trash. George Karl’s system is trash. Jeff Van Gundy’s system is trash (even though Jeff Van Gundy runs the same exact system as Pat Riley).. Stan Van Gundy’s system is trash. Mike Woodson’s system is trash.

    .

    Actually let me make this simple, – only,

    - Phil Jackson

    - Red Auerbach

    - John Kundla

    - Pat Riley

    - Gregg Popovich

    - Chuck Daly

    - Alex Hunnam

    - Rudy Tomjanovich

    -Tom Heinsman

    - KC Jones

    - Red Holzman

    - Rick Carlisle

    - Dick Motta

    - Lenny Wilkins

    - Jack Ramsay

    - Erik Spoelstra

    (and i few other’s i can’t think of)

    have had successful systems? even though atleast one of each of those run the same offense (different variation of the same offense) as Jerry Sloan, Rick Adelman, Mike D’Antoni (Paul Westhead), George Karl, and every other coach in the league?
    .
    K

  • shockexchange

    Quite the contrary. It was more like you took the mound and there was a fight at the bat rack.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If you haven’t noticed, you live in a different world then everyone else mentally.

  • shockexchange

    When someone has to literally ask whether you are D’Antoni’s lover or nephew, that should be a catalyst to take some self inventory.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Not if you understand people or actually read the other things they said. .
    Oh who am I kidding. People are stupid man. A lot of people. If they think me saying completely logical and rational things that just explain why D’Antoni was hired and Mike Brown was fired (while also saying they shouldn’t have done it) – literally that is exactly what it says – is somehow showing some emotional attachment to him. They are stupid. Or bad at being funny. Maybe good at it if you have a bad sense of humor or also can’t read. Either way, I’m really not surprised you can’t tell the difference. And even if you could, I’m not surprised you won’t admit it, you clearly have an issue with people being honest with you and just tend to keep peddling some idea up until you finally realize it’s over and then say “you out shocked the shock exchange” – which to me sounds like an insult – and if it is, it makes me wonder if you realize what it implies….

  • Enigmatic

    The Nerve is still around? Lmao the more things change…

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    D’antoni ain’t cut from the same clothe as these guys.

  • danpowers

    im bad at guessing, you tell me. im reading and making notes

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, just that Nash has presided over a top 10 offense every year since 2004-05. it’s safe to assume things will fall into place as soon as he’s acclimated. Even though he’s 38.

  • danpowers

    wouldnt suprise me after i have seen what kidd is still doing for the knicks. u still didnt answer if the darrell armstrong magic, terrell brandon cavs and gerald wallace bobcats wouldnt count as defensive oriented squads that were quite successful (for their level of talent) without great iso palyers or guys to protect the rim? you think this couldnt still be a successfull concept for so-so talented teams?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Terrell Brandon 1999-2000 Timberwolves that were 52-30 were the 8th best offense in the league and 12th best defense. So idk what you are trying to say about that team? Garnett was scoring 23 on that team with 5 assists, they had a go to guy.
    .
    .The Darrell Armstrong Magic team you are referring to i assume represents the lock-out season? — which was a 50 game lock-out season with Chuck Daly calling the shots. That team was an anomaly in a very short season that lacked a real training camp, not a rule you can depend on repeating itself.

    .The Gerald Wallace Bobcats went 44-38 with Stephen Jackson scoring 22 a game, and then got absolutely destroyed and swept in the playoffs. No, i wouldn’t consider that team “highly successful” – or related to this situation, considering Jackson was a better individual basketball player & scorer then anyone gave him credit for.

  • danpowers

    i said the brandon cavs, not timberwolves.

    wasnt playing slow and defensive focused “sexy” in the 90s for so-so teams to reach the playoffs? anyway, i see that this is 2012 now and wouldnt necessarily work with any squad. id just loved to see that in ny, as any style without commitment on d doesnt really suit the jersey

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the Terrell Brandon Cavaliers were a top 5-10 offense man.
    .
    but yes, they played at a very slow pace. but their offense was better then their defense.
    .

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh wait, 94-95 they were 22nd in offense and 3rd in defense. didn’t see that year. but they got smashed in the playoffs….losing 3-1, scoring 81-80-79 in their 3 losses.

  • danpowers

    well, the knicks went down 0-4 against the celtics so that woulve been an improvement lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok that’s fair, but you are a Knicks fan not a Bobcats fan. You got to want your team to actually compete. My argument has been about actually competing lol, not just making the playoffs and getting your ass whipped. The only chance teams without a go to scorer have at competing is by playing up tempo and taking the best chances they can get.

  • danpowers

    then let me correct myself: they sometimes scored less points than a soccer-team scores goals lol. no matter how effective their offense was, the highest team average in brandons time as their no1 point guard was 90,5ppg (dont come up with metrics if were talking about the 90s please).

    were drifting away anyway. is my statement so wrong that dantonis basketball knowledge really lacks defensive coaching skills and that it appears that he rather takes it “the players need to adapt to my system instead of me creating a system that fits the roster”?

    i mean his perfect situation was phoenix, he shouldve never have left there.

  • danpowers

    hard to argue that. my 90s-knicks-guts are just still rebelling against this insight lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he isn’t statistically a bad defensive coach. he is just a bad defensive coach without good offensive players….. you get what i mean? his offense literally relies on efficiency. When he doesn’t have an efficient offensive lead his system starts to really turn South.

    .

    actually you know what, this is why D’Antoni is a very good coach that sometimes looks very bad. – he coaches a feast or famine system, where if the team can’t put the offense together the defense suffers. As they relinquish oodles and noodles of long rebounds and are frequently not in position to play any semblance of transition defense, and if they do recover, are regularly left with mismatches at multiple positions due to the situation where they failed on the offensive end. It’s kind of like the concept of High School/College teams that live and die by the three. Since in those rules there is no illegal defense violation they are a more extreme example as they can play a zone defense, which is much much easier to recover into, and in turn allows them to offensively be more reckless….i’m sure you’ve seen that in your time playing? The D’Antoni system is like a complicated, NBA version of those systems, except D’Antoni DOES adapt his system to fit his player’s (Suns after the Shaq trade completely altered their system to accommodate Shaq and still remained the top offense in the NBA) But he also makes mistakes, and needs time to succeed (right now he is using Dwight in the role Shaq played, but he’s trying to make Dwight the 2nd option rather then the 3rd like Shaq was, and he doesn’t have a PG to get him the ball – which should get worked out).

    .
    Does that make more sense as to where I am coming from?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha touchè

  • danpowers

    true that. but this makes these worries pointless anyway. with their injuries against the celtics it was tough to win that series with any coach even though at least two games couldve went either way, that was closer than the sweep implied.
    the big mess was the inability to cope with melo and iso plays for whatever reason. let it be the players or dantonis or both’s fault – i didnt work and as a knick fan i want defense which didnt rlly happen under dantoni.

    back to the lakers: do you really think they could be successful beyond the second round with dantoni?

  • danpowers

    uhm yup, makes perfectly sense. its just that i dont really pay attention why a team gives up a ton of points when… it gives up a ton of points. even stat once said under dantoni he didnt really learn any defensive rotations, neither advice how to improve on d. i dont know if this was just an excuse by stat for his cheap d or if there was also some truth in that.

    anyway, let him be a decent coach. but i think you can also understand why i am really happy as a knicks fan that he left the big apple

  • JL

    This is a pro coach who can’t utiliize one of the top post big men in the game? it’s like having a ferrari and saying I don’t know how to drive it fast on the freeway. So his alternative right now is letting Kobe shoot it tons (I know he’s very efficient this year) and piss off his teammates.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Amar’e said nobody ever taught him how to play defense. After like 5 years in the NBA. D’Antoni wasn’t there his first couple years, so he just has a penchant for blaming others on that end.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    You as bad as these Otha chumps mayne

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