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Thursday, December 6th, 2012 at 8:57 am  |  106 responses

Post Up: 30K For Mamba

Kobe joins elite company with his 30,000th career point.

by Peter Walsh / @goinginsquad

Just ‘Cause:

Kobe’s 81 against the Raptors.

Knicks 100 (13-4), Bobcats 98 (7-10)

This game was absurd on many levels–the Knicks shot 41 three’s!–and the final few minutes were so sloppy that it made sense that J.R. Smith hit the game winning buzzer beater with Melo looking on from the locker room. The Knicks had absolutely no business winning this game but the Bobcats shot themselves in the foot over and over, committing five turnovers on their final six possessions to give the Knicks a chance to win. With the game tied at 98 and the clock winding down, Mike Kidd-Gilchrist threw a contested cross court pass that was picked off by Ray Felton. With J.R. Smith streaking down the sideline, the Knicks had a fast break opportunity and Felton dished off to Smith who inexplicably pulled the ball out. Jason Kidd sprinted from across the court and nearly ran the ref over trying to call timeout with under four seconds left. Out of the timeout, Smith caught the inbounds dribbled left and hit a step-back buzzer beater over MKG to win the game. Basically, Smith turned down a fast break layup to call timeout and hit a contested buzzer beater. Unbelievable.

Quick Hitters:

– The Bobcats won pretty much every major statistical category but turnovers once again plagued them.

– Before leaving the game, Anthony scored 23 points. Tyson Chandler scored 18 and grabbed 17 boards. Ray Felton scored 17 and dished out 9 assists.

– Kemba Walker scored 25 and dropped 11 dimes. Gerald Henderson scored 18 off the bench.

Pacers 99 (10-9), Blazers 92 (8-11)

Paul George followed up his 34-point performance against the Bulls with a 22-point encore to lead the Pacers past the Blazers for a home win. George was big in the second half, accounting for ten points during a 20-4 run that spread over the third quarter and early into the fourth that put Indiana up 82-64. The Blazers stormed back with a 17-4 run of their own and after a Damian Lillard layup, the score was 85-81 Pacers. Indy found their composure and a dunk by George Hill pushed the lead back to seven. The Blazers had a chance late to cut the lead to three, but Roy Hibbert blocked J.J. Hickson’s shot and the Pacers hung on for the win.

Quick Hitters:

– Over the last two nights, Paul George has scored 56 points, grabbed 17 rebounds, dished out 7 assists and stole the ball 4 times. He shot 21-40 from the field and 5-12 from beyond the arc. Dude is going in.

– Dame Lillard continued his strong start with a 23-point, 6-assist performance.

– The Blazers bench was awful once again, this time only scoring 13 points.

– David west shot 8-11, scored 16 points and grabbed 10 boards.

Celtics 104 (10-8), Wolves 94 (8-9)

Playing in his first game after serving a two-game suspension for fighting with Kris Humphries, Rajon Rondo picked up right where he left off with a 17-point, 11-assist outing. KG, once again, played great against his former team and scored 18 points while grabbing 10 boards.  The Celtics shot 52.6 percent from the field and used a 20-11 late third quarter run to shake off the Wolves. In the fourth, Boston opened up a 15-point lead after Jason Terry hit a three with under eight minutes to play. The C’s led by at least 12 the rest of the way and cruised to a double-digit home victory.

Quick Hitters:

– Kevin Garnett is now 10-0 against his former team.

– All five Celtic starters scored in double-figures.

– Kevin Love led all scorers with 19 points. He also grabbed 13 boards.

Warriors 104 (11-7), Pistons 97 (6-14)

The triumvirate of Klay Thompson, David Lee and Steph Curry each had big games to snap the Pistons’ three-game home winning streak. Thompson hit five three-pointers in the third quarter to finish with a season-high 27 points. Curry scored 22 points and dropped 10 dimes (his fourth straight game of 20 and 10) and Lee scored 20 points and grabbed 11 boards. In the third, Curry and Thompson combined for six three’s to turn a two-point lead into a 15-point lead which they eventually pushed to 20 thanks to a 39-point third quarter. The Pistons finally stopped the bleeding and stormed back, chipping away at the lead before hitting seven straight shots to pull within three with a minute left. Unfortunately for them, the Warriors hit their free throws to close out the game.

Quick Hitters:

– Tayshaun Prince was the only Pistons’ starter to score in double-figures. He finished with 24. The Pistons’ bench combined for 53 points.

– Curry’s 20-10 streak is the longest by a Warrior since Tim Hardaway’s streak in December of ’92.

Hawks 108 (10-5), Nuggets 104 (9-10)

The Nuggets let another close one slip by to fall below .500, spoiling Ty Lawson’s season-high 32 points. Al Horford came up big for the Hawks, notching his third straight double-double with 25 points and 12 boards while Josh Smith celebrated his 27th birthday with 16 points and 13 boards. The Nuggets opened up the second half with an 8-2 run but the Hawks countered with a run of their own and built an 11-point lead. The Hawks held strong until two and a half minutes left when Danilo Gallinari hit two free throws. Lawson followed that with a three which gave Denver a 101-99 lead with two minutes to go. The Hawks regained the lead in the final minute but with a chance to tie, Lawson dribbled the ball off his foot. Josh Smith smelled blood, picked up the ball, raced down the court and hammered down a dunk while getting fouled for a three-point game that proved to be the decisive play of the game.

Quick Hitters:

– Josh Smith is currently averaging 16.1 points, 7.6 boards, 3.7 dimes, 2.4 blocks and 1.4 steals. The last player to do so was David Robinson. I love Josh Smith.

– Lou Williams scored 16 off the bench.

– Corey Brewer scored 19 off the bench, Gallo scored 16 and Mozgov grabbed 13 boards.

Bulls 95 (9-8), Cavs 85 (4-15)

Behind a season-high 23 points (10 in the first quarter) from Marco Belinelli the Bulls fended off the Cavs to put their record over .500. Cleveland cut the lead to five after Tyler Zeller hit two free throws with two minutes left in the third but the Bulls ended the quarter on an 8-4 run to make it a 72-63 lead entering the fourth. The Bulls kept their intensity and focus up while Cleveland ran out of gas and never got it closer than nine.

Quick Hitters:

– Anderson Vareajo notched his 10th straight double-double. He also extended his streak of games with at least 15 total boards and five offensive rebounds to ten in a row which is two shy of Moses Malone’s record.

– Cleveland shot under 40 percent.

– All five Chicago starters scored in double-figures. Luol Deng finished with 22, Boozer finished with 10 and 12, Joakim Noah scored 13 and grabbed 15 boards and Kirk Hinrich chipped in with 11.

Lakers 103 (9-10), Pelicans 87 (5-12)

With a bucket in the first half, Kobe joined the illustrious 30,000 point club along with Kareem, Karl Malone, MJ and Wilt. Kobe is the youngest player ever to reach the 30,000 point milestone. Salute.

Spurs 110 (15-4), Bucks 99 (8-9)

The Bucks slide continued last night after getting manhandled by the Spurs reserves in the fourth quarter. With the game tied to start the fourth, Pop put full faith in his reserves to keep the game close. They rewarded his faith with a 17-3 run led by Gary Neal, Matt Bonner, Nando De Colo, James Anderson and Tiago Splitter. By the end of the run, the Spurs’ bench had built a 93-79 lead with seven minutes to play. The Bucks did outscore San Antonio over the rest of the quarter but it was too little, too late as the Bucks fell below .500 for the first time this season.

Quick Hitters:

– Tony Parker and Gary Neal led the way with 22 points each. Parker and Neal outscored the duo of Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings 44-35.

– The Spurs outrebounded the Bucks 53-36. They also outscored them 52-32 in the paint.

– Ersan Illyasova scored 17 points off the bench.

Jazz 87 (10-10), Magic 81 (7-11)

Al Jefferson was dominating with 31 points and 15 boards before leaving the game late in the fourth with a back injury. Jefferson had already done too much damage inside in the second half, hitting 9 of 12 shots, to carry the Jazz to victory over an Orlando team that had won two straight. The Magic kept things close, overcoming a 14-point deficit to take a one-point lead with three and a half minutes to go. After that, Randy Foye drilled his only bucket of the night to trigger a 9-2 run that put the game to bed.

Quick Hitters:

– Big Baby led the Magic with 18 points and 12 boards.

– The Magic shot 1-15 from three. The Jazz shot 1-10.

– Paul Millsap chipped in with 22 points.

– The Magic turned the ball over 20 times compared to Utah’s 13.

Kings 107 (5-12), Raptors 100 (4-15)

Despite Kyle Lowry’s 34 points, 11 assists and 5 boards, the Kings held off the Raptors thanks to 23 points from ‘Reke Evans and a 25-point, 13-rebound double-double. Sacramento completely dominated inside, outscoring the Raptors 56-30 inside while outrebounding Toronto 47-40. The game was back and fourth throughout but with the score tied at 95 and two minutes remaining, ‘Reke hit back-to-back three’s to give the Kings a six-point lead which proved to be insurmountable.

Quick Hitters:

– Cousins and Jason Thompson combined for 25 points and 12 boards before the half while holding Toronto’s frontcourt to 11 points and 4 boards.

– Lowry scored 15 of his 34 in the third quarter.

Clippers 112 (13-6), Mavs 90 (8-11)

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  • mike24

    Interesting fact before anyone claims kobe was the slowest to reach 30,000 points: Of the five players to have scored 30k, Kobe is the second fastest to reach the milestone in terms of total minutes played.

  • Niio

    actually the Kobe video should say.. 29,000 points later lol

  • LLC#12

    uh oh

  • The Fury

    1) Good job Kobe, good job.

    2) That Spurs bench are unbelievably excellent. Thiago has improved so much finishing around the rim.

    3) Can Kyle get some real basketball player/teammates??

    4) Hope Steph doesn’t get injured this year so he can carry this Warriors’ team to the Play-offs. I like this guys’ game.

  • Perry the PlatyPteranodon

    30000 points later…
    Damn I feel old ._.

  • Max

    No it should not..
    29,000 + 1 = 29,001 points, not 30k..

  • Max

    Congrats to Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Yikes..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Thought this tweet by Gasol was cool: Congratulations to the best scorer in the planet, mate and friend,Kobe! for joining the 30.000 points club!! Huge accomplishment!#Kobe30K

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    good work Pete – and way to get the Pelicans ish started early. It’s a good team name now that they suck, but once that team gets good, i’m not going to feel comfortable saying the NBA champions might be some fuggin pelicans

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    People said the same thing about the name “Thunder” when the team first came out. Although I think most people just associate “Pelican” with that scene from Scarface.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i didn’t.
    .
    but say this out loud when you read it.
    .
    “Pelicans are champions of the world.”
    .
    How’s that sound to you?

  • KipSmithers

    I’d prefer The Voo Doo.

  • ChosenOne

    1. ‘New Orleans Soul’ sounds nicer
    2. Charlotte should get the ‘Hornets’ back
    3. Luol Deng and Anderson Varejao are All-Stars this year
    4. Congrats Kobe, insane accomplishment, few guys will ever reach that milestone ever again..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Durant will likely beat him out.

  • Datkid

    i cosign all of this. especially the soul part. F*ck the pelicans

  • Datkid

    check pau out… being a great teammate despite kobe constantly throwing him under the bus.

  • Datkid

    Kyle Lowry had 34-11-5 AND THEY STILL LOST. good lord. if that team ever get’s it’s sh*t together they’ll be fabulous to watch in the playoffs

  • Slick Ric

    Congrats to slam for putting Kobe ahead wade this season…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe starts EVERY season extremely strong. EVERY. SINGLE. SEASON.

    .

    Kobe’s stats through his first 20 games last season –
    .
    . http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2012/#1104-1123-sum:pgl_basic
    .
    Kobe’s stats through 19 games this season.
    .
    .http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2013/#1162-1180-sum:pgl_basic

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And the slowest of the 5 in terms of games played.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Or they just have a relationship where they are actually friends off the court and Kobe can be brutally honest with him about how he is on the court.

  • Peter Walsh

    Thanks man. Don’t think we have to worry about New Orleans winning a title any time soon.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha no doubt. that’s why i said i like the team name for now.

  • KipSmithers

    That’s not legal in most states.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    That clip of Kobe scoring his first point is pretty cool.

  • Perry the PlatyPteranodon

    The hell you say about pelicans?

  • Caboose

    30K for Kobe. Most games played and most field goals attempted.

  • LakeShow

    STFU
    He didn’t throw him under the bus.
    Telling someone to “put their big boy pants on” isn’t throwing them under the bus…

  • LakeShow

    That last couple minutes of the game was rather indicative of JR Smith’s playing style through his career.

  • LakeShow

    Wow…

  • reese

    You act like he was talking about your mom. Relax. Kobe is your bf only in your head, so no need to tell the guy to stfu.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just making sure, were you one of those to argue that Dwight threw his teammates under the bus last season, when he said less than that?

  • LakeShow

    Okay reese.

  • mike24

    Which is the absolute wrong benchmark to use in this discussion. Games played is not as indicative as minutes played.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why? if you take more games, but play less minutes, that says something. you can’t just pick one and ignore the other.

  • Junior Taylor

    Great point. That’s what everyone seems to forget. Kobe starts off the season shooting a great percentage from the field then proceeds to take a nose dive efficiently as the season progresses.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i have been tryna remind people who are claiming victory in the Kobe vs Wade debate this through this first month. i just keep being ignored and people like Slick Ric keep posting drivel like this. i mean, if there is anything more willingly naive on this website, idk what it is.

  • LakeShow

    Definitely not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok cool. carry on.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i agree actually.

  • LakeShow

    IMO, KB has pretty close to already won the RS battle. If he finishes out the season healthy.(Not missing more than 5 games)
    Wade has yet to even show up this season where as Kobe has been a top 5 player.
    Yes there is allot of ball left, but Wade hasn’t shown anything so far. Very underwhelming season thus far.
    He can still have a better RS but his chances are nil to none IMO.

  • LakeShow

    It wasn’t the best thing to do, but it’s far from “throwing him under the bus” IMO. Glad you see that too.
    Like I said, not a great thing to say, or the right way to say it, but naw, it’s not throwing him under the bus…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wade is averaging 24-5-5 over his last 5 games. And given what’s transpired the last 4 years, Wade will still probably finish with a better season

  • LakeShow

    Really?
    Alright, my B, haven’t been paying attention to the Heat..
    Looked at a couple box-scores over the last few days and they were unimpressive, so I figured he hadn’t started ballin yet.
    Alright, well as you know, I find their seasons last year to be quite comparable, so it will be an interesting year for the both.

  • LakeShow

    3.6 Rebounds over the last 5 btw

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I really wouldn’t be surprised if Kobe stays at this level, for the record. History just says he won’t.

  • Caboose

    Sorry, do facts about Kobe disturb you? Oh right, of course they f*cking do.

  • Caboose

    Joakim Noah or Anderson Varejao. Pick one.

  • Caboose

    How about most FGA?

  • LakeShow

    how much you hate Kobe is what disturbs me.

    The hate runs deep in this one…

  • LakeShow

    Noah. Does more.

  • Caboose

    Raptors get: Pau Gasol, 2013 Lakers 1st Round Pick
    Lakers get: Andrea Bargnani, Jose Calderon, 2013 Raptors 2nd Round Pick
    —–
    Lakers get: Paul Millsap, Travis Outlaw, 2013 Kings 2nd Round Pick
    Jazz get: Tyreke Evans, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia
    Kings get: Pau Gasol, Marvin Williams
    —–
    Lakers get: Nene, Chris Singleton, 2014 Wizards 2nd Round Pick
    Magic get: Emeka Okafor, 2013 Lakers 2nd Round Pick
    Wizards get: Pau Gasol, Hedo Turkoglu, Nikola Vucevic
    —–
    Lakers get: Stephen Jackson, John Salmons, Gary Neal, Spurs 2013 2nd Round Pick
    Spurs get: Pau Gasol, Kings 2013 2nd Round Pick
    Kings get: Dejuan Blair, Matt Bonner
    —–
    Lakers get: Joe Johnson, Amir Johnson
    Nets get: Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan, Earl Clark, Darius Johnson-Odom
    Raptors get: Pau Gasol, Marshon Brooks, 2013 Nets 1st Round Pick, 2013 Lakers 1st Round Pick

  • Caboose

    I put things in perspective, for all players. The more delusional the fan base, the more I attack. I was railing pretty hard against KD last year and about the LeBron GOAT potential 2 years ago.

  • Caboose

    I’d agree with that. Defense (in the form of blocks) is a wide margin.

  • LakeShow

    Dually agreed.

    We all know he is capable of being an efficient player. But he would have to change his mind set… Which can happen, but he hasn’t shown it for elongated amounts of time previously.

    He’s at 49%-37%-87% right now. If he can keep above 47%-35%-85%, to me, that is a very good season from a shooting guard, and would keep him in the top 5-7 NBA player discussion.

  • Junior Taylor

    Damn..my man. What are you doing commenting on a b-ball site when you should be in some NBA front office playing GM.

  • LakeShow

    I love Side Show though. I think he does more for a team than you give him credit for.

  • Caboose

    That’s what 2K13 is for.

  • LakeShow

    No, no, you weren’t.. Not like you go against Kobe lol…

    Tell me 1 thing that someone said about Kobe on this post that was delusional or irrational?

    Also, how bout adding both sides to your “perspective”??? Instead of just yours… EH?

    (E.G.)Like, maybe also including that the 4 players he’s behind are post players and the most efficient scoring guard of all time and also the GOAT?? There’s some of that thar perspective you missed…

  • Caboose

    I haven’t seen much of the Cavs this season, to be honest.

  • Caboose

    I’ll give you that if he stays around where he is efficiency wise, he’ll crack my top 10 all time, and push for that 8-ish spot.

  • Caboose

    Ok? Kobe is the 2nd best volume scoring guard of all time. #3 isn’t close to him. Kobe is (by a good margin) the most inefficient player to score 30k. There are other guards who haven’t scored as much who are more efficient. Kobe is the best scorer since Jordan. The only current player who could possibly come close to Kobe’s scoring level is Durant, and he’d have to keep up (and eventually surpass) what he’s been doing for another decade. Fair?

  • Caboose

    You win post up for the day.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t even know what happened here…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah i mean, nobody is under the impression Kobe is a good leader right? Sh*t Magic Johnson said the Lakers “don’t have a leader” last night….which is wrong. but that should say something.

  • LakeShow

    Most of ya’ll prolly saw this on NBA . com, but I enjoyed reading these guys takes so I figured i’d put it here:

    Steve Aschburner: As great as he’s been and remains, Bryant has it tough. He’s spectacular — but he’s not an original, because no one lugged the next-Michael-Jordan load more than him (and he courted it, with all those patterned mannerisms). His first three titles were Shaq-driven, which dims them just a tiny bit in relation to others on the Great Winners list. And now he’s in twilight at a time when someone else (LeBron James) already is moving up in GOAT discussions, squeezing Bryant from this side of Y2K. One of the greatest ever, lethal scorer and a Top 10 player on my all-time list. But he’s not cracking Top 5 and he’s a reserve, not a starter, at shooting guard.

    Fran Blinebury: One word: Defiant. Defiant as a teenager. Defiant in the face of Shaq. Defiant to a double-team or a triple-team. Defiant in the fourth quarter. Defiant in the last second. Defiant in the good times. Defiant in the bad times. Defiant now in the twilight. Michael Jordan at his peak was embraceable. NeverKobe. Just defiantly brilliant.

    Jeff Caplan: What ways are left to describe Kobe Bryant? The Black Mamba is a cold-blooded killer. Simple as that. The closest we’ve come to seeing Michael Jordan reincarnated. You never knew when he’ll go off for 40 or 50 or 80. An extreme competitor whose fierceness is unrivaled. One of the rare athletes that can take over a game as the best player at either end of the floor.

    Scott Howard-Cooper: For the determination and confidence that is his greatest gift and biggest detriment. Kobe Bryant had great talent, but made himself a great player because he refused to be outworked, on the court and with preparation. The confidence? Bryant was never a selfish player, per se. He was a skilled passer from the outset. But he always believed himself with such an absolute certainty that he knew, just knew, that no one else had as good a chance to deliver. Same with the early strained relationships within the locker room. He refused to fall in line and be a little brother. He is stubborn that way. Which is good and bad.

    John Schuhmann: I don’t think there’s a simple way to answer that question. There’s no doubt that he is the best combination of talent and drive (to be the best in the game) that we’ve seen since Michael Jordan. He played a big role in five championships and once scored 81 points in a game, so the guy will have a tremendous legacy when he leaves this league. On the other hand, he was sometimes a selfish gunner who ignored his teammates for the sake of his own glory. He is a complicated man, that Kobe Bean Bryant.

    Sekou Smith: He’ll go down as one of the greatest to play the game. The perfect player? Not exactly. But the perfect competitor? Absolutely. The list of absolute cutthroat competitors who wanted to win above all else, no matter how that desire manifested itself in his play, is a short one and Kobe has to be on it. In fact, he’d have to be in the top three or four on my list. He didn’t need to reach 30,000 points for me to recognize him as one of the greatest scorers the league has seen. But time will be most likely give us a better appreciation of Kobe’s game than we have of it right now. It’s hard to give a guy his proper respect when you watch him on a nightly basis in this hypercritical era. But Kobe will go down as one of the best to ever do it. Top five on most people’s list and in everyone’s top 10.

  • Caboose

    ??

  • LakeShow

    Neither have I tbh, lol, but i’m talking over his career. Guys like him are very important intangibly speaking. Things like energy and hustle don’t show up in the stats, but he get his team more possessions than most guys do in the L, and that is a big plus. Rebounding isn’t as easy as some like to make it. Brook Lopez couldn’t rebound 10 a game to save his life, but someone needs to board and the Nets would be better if Brook did grab more bounds. Too much is made of not helping defensively to get a rebound where as I don’t think that’s a bad thing. (as long as you grab the board) All i’m getting at, is he helps his team win even if they don’t win that much..

  • LakeShow

    Once again… I think he is capable of being a good leader and I have seen that from him, but NO… He’s not anywhere close to Magic, few are, but he and MJordan are fairly similar leadership wise.
    MJ was just more capable of physically doing what is tasked for the leader, so he led better, but they were very similar mentally speaking.
    He’s wrong once Nash comes back, Nash IS a leader. A great leader.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    .Kobe needed 23063 FGA
    .Jordan needed 22337 FGA
    .
    .Difference: Kobe needed 727 more FGA
    .
    .Kobe needed 23063 FGA
    .Malone needed 22043 FGA
    .
    .Difference: Kobe needed 1020 more FGA
    .
    .Kobe needed 23063 FGA
    .Kareem needed 22109 FGA
    .
    .Difference: Kobe needed 954 more FGA
    .
    .Kobe needed 23063 FGA
    .Wilt needed 22149 FGA
    .
    .Difference: Kobe needed 914 more FGA

  • Caboose

    I’ll agree with all that. Hustle means a lot to me, even if it doesn’t show up on the stat sheet (I’m not a robot). The only issue is that Varejao’s 1 on 1 defense is poor at best.

  • Caboose

    I know, I was helping you out :P

  • LakeShow

    Yeah his 1 on 1 isn’t anything to write home about, but his help defense is nice and he is good on screen in roll’s. Being that this is a pick n roll league that means allot. All I know is I want him on my team… (not the Lakers, metaphorically speaking)
    Also, he’s a good passer, but Noah is a great passer.

  • Caboose

    Well put.

  • mike24

    Because we’re discussing how fast or slow a player scored x amount of points. Games played or age is not a measurement of time in relation to the actual amount of basketball someone has played.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Just look at FGA, that says all you need to know.

  • KipSmithers

    What’s the prize and is IT legal in most states?

  • mike24

    Again, FGA does not address the matter at hand. It only addresses the efficiency or inefficiency of basketball.

  • Guest

    Who cares? In what other sport do people belittle other accomplishments like this? why is this celebrated on this board? I don’t understand.

    As someone else commented relating to this topic:

    “Hank Aaron needed 11,295 at bats to hit 714 home runs, and Babe Ruth
    needed 8,399. The difference equates to almost five additional years
    that Aaron needed to match Ruth (Bonds needed even more – plus drugs).
    But one would dare diminish Aaron’s accomplishment because of that, so
    no one should do that to Bryant.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    I said it to Caboose, and I’ll say it here as well:
    Who cares? In what other sport do people belittle another player’s accomplishments like this? Why is this celebrated on this board? I don’t understand.

    To put it into perspective:

    “Hank Aaron needed 11,295 at bats to hit 714 home runs, and Babe Ruth
    needed 8,399. The difference equates to almost five additional years
    that Aaron needed to match Ruth (Bonds needed even more – plus drugs).
    But one would dare diminish Aaron’s accomplishment because of that, so
    no one should do that to Bryant.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    All of those stats are more relevant than minutes played. All the minutes mean is he shoots an incredible amount of shots per minute, that’s it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Its not that; its the fact that you constantly go out of your way to belittle every accomplishment the man garners. Its really strange at this point (not just from you, but from anybody). I mean, he’s one of 5 players to hit 30K, and the top posts on this f*king board are about how many more shots/games it took him to get to 30K. Is this a race now? Last I checked, its a pretty remarkable and rare feat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Kobe is not a natural leader. He is an alpha dog, and he sets examples, but he is not a leader. That is why guys like Fisher and Odom were vital to the Lakers run in 2008-2010.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    IT’S CALLED PERSPECTIVE. There is no diminishing. For example, no baseball historian would dare call Hank Aaron a better homerun hitter than Babe Ruth because of that fact. Perspective.

  • Caboose

    That is such a moronic quote.

  • Caboose

    Ok, fine. KOBE IS THE BEST SINCE JORDAN BECAUSE HE HAS SCORED SO MANY POINTS. Is that what you want?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Perspective? No, its an attempt to diminish and belittle his accomplishment – essentially, comments like this, especially since it was voted to the top, shift the focus from what he accomplished to what he didn’t accomplish compared to others. And I’m asking why?

    If perspective was truly needed on this board, commenters would be more willing to provide perspective on other similar scoring feats, but its never done. Look at this SLAM article on Pierce reaching 20,000 career points, for example – http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/11/paul-pierce-20000-points-man/

    There is not a single person who comments that implies in any way that Pierce’s accomplishment needs perspective because he didn’t do it faster than Bird, or was the youngest to do it, etc. I understand that people hold Kobe to higher standards than Pierce and others, and get upset when he actually reaches certain standards that people did not expect him to (not you, I’m talking generalities), but I’m not sure why people feel so threatened by him or his career in general.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Where do you see me offering this information for no reason? If I was diminishing his accomplishment I wouldn’t be saying it as a response to someone giving a fact that leads a false narrative, like minutes played. I’m providing perspective given the context of my comments. If I said, “big deal it took him – blah blah blah more attempts than whoever” that would be diminishing. All I did was comment statements of fact, with no opinion at all or anything at all that includes anything negative about Kobe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    OK I don’t know why the guest user stole my original post…but that quote was actually pulled from an article discussing the feat. Just thought it was an interesting note.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Well, that’s no fun.

  • mike24

    Your moving further away from original statement.

  • Drig

    @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus , man we already went through why Kobe’s less efficient. We already went through me writing a boatload of sh*t putting THOSE numbers in perspective…….Come on man!

  • Caboose

    Haha look, I’m not gonna degrade Kobe unnecessarily. When I make sharper comments than you think needed, it isn’t directed at the reasonable Laker supporters like you. It’s toward the delusional fanatics. When I discuss with Kobe fans who can actually think, I’m not as evil. Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all time and borderline top 10 all time. He is the only top 10(ish) player where excuses must be made for his advanced stats. While I accept some of them, there are just so many justifications for why his win shares are low, why his PER isn’t up to snuff, etc. That’s my complaint, why Kobe is the player we can give more weight to subjective observation than objectivity (as we do for historical players). If I had to guess, once he retires, we’ll stop arguing from what we see and what the stats and facts can tell us. That’s all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The original statement doesn’t have a point. You are under the impression for no logical reason in the world, that less minutes is somehow more important than more games and more attempts, which is ridiculous. None are more important than any of the others. The only thing to say when including the other 4 who have scored 30K, is that Kobe did it and is part of a truly elite group. His 30,000 is no more impressive than anyone else’s. and no less.

  • Salty

    New Orleans should get the Jazz back, Charlotte should get the Hornets back, and the Jazz can be the Saints or the Missionaries or something else more appropriate.

  • mike24

    I never implied that minutes played is more or less important than the other categories. And you were making a point, albeit a wrong one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You did tho.
    .

    Which is the absolute wrong benchmark to use in this discussion. Games played is not as indicative as minutes played”

  • nick

    Eric bledsoes alley oops were off the charts…….no mention? ( I’m in china I can’t see the video under the clippers post up…)

  • z

    Truce reached. I no longer consider you a “hater” :) and nbk aint a hater just brutally honest and goes against the grain. Respect due for that characteristic. Still, kobe definitely has more haters than most players (also more fanatical fans but i digress).

  • havoc33

    Looking at the amount of FGA alone will not the the whole story, you should know that. FGA’s alone does measure a players true efficiency. To be fair you have to measure in the amount of freethrows shot as well.

  • havoc33

    You need to bring in the amount of FTAs as well, otherwise this is useless. Where did you find the stats for the amount of FGAs at the 30.000 point mark btw?

  • havoc33

    fg% is an outdated way of looking at a players shooting efficiency. You need to look at the true shooting percentage

  • LakeShow

    Co-Sign, sans Odom lol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Fair points. I enjoy the debates though.

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