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Saturday, December 8th, 2012 at 3:48 pm  |  188 responses

Stephen Jackson Calls Out Serge Ibaka


by Ryne Nelson / @slaman10

Late in the fourth quarter of OKC’s 114-108 win over the Lakers last night, Serge Ibaka and Metta World Peace locked elbows and sustained prolonged death stares beneath the basket. A double technical was called, and no one overreacted.

Following the game, MWP’s former teammate, Stephen Jackson, who has come to the defense of Metta World Peace before, promised to go in “Abaka’s [sic] mouth” if the big man walks up on him again:

Stak5 clarified his tweet this morning, posting to his Instagram: “my ibaka comment had nothing to do with Ron artest. Last 2 times we played he ran up on me and i told him in the game next time u run up on me im going in ya mouth. Im speaking for myself. For u all who wanna jump to conclusions.”

It’ll be interesting to see if David Stern has anything to say about this.

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  • zogs19994

    “Next time he run up on me im goin in his mouth”

    -
    PAUSE NlGGGA!!!

  • AQWORD

    i wonder if theres a soundbite with what mwp told him there

  • speedy

    Sounds like WWE to me.
    Cage match?

  • Otis

    I like Ibaka, but there’s no doubt that both Artest and Jackson would pulverise him if push ever really did come to shove

  • Caboose

    MWP or Jackson would wreck Ibaka in a fight.

  • Datkid

    I disagree. Ibaka’s taller bigger and just as strong. Plus he’s from the congo. Stack5 and Mwp DO NOT WANT it with dude.

  • palo

    yeah, i bet Ibaka can fight, i bet he saw some crazy psycho guerilla sh!t bask in Congo…

  • Caboose

    You think Ibaka is as strong as Metta? Metta has a good 30 pounds on him. SJax, dude is dirty.

  • Caboose

    He’s from Congo, not the Democratic Republic of the Congo. One is much more stable and has substantially less violence, war crimes, and state illegitimacy than the other.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    Stephen Jackson is not in the same league physically as MWP and Ibaka

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    you guys do realize that MWP is shorter and weighs more than Dwight Howard right? One of the strongest dudes in the league…not to mention the craziest

  • Datkid

    I think he might be almost as strong, and I KNOW Ibaka’s taller, longer and probably quicker, which would help negate some of Metta’s strength in a fight.

  • swk

    Ibaka seems to be so big hearted… modest, dormant beast. He is getting some confidence right now, with helps him in scoring. I don’t like to see him in fight, that would be a big disgrace, but if it would ever happen I want to see him doing a classy act, not animal brawl.

  • Datkid

    plus he’s definitely stronger than Sjax. who is absolutely about it, no question, but that’s probably not the best matchup for him fight wise.

  • Datkid

    true. but the fact of the matter is that ron artest and steven jackson are from american slums. Ibaka is still from a much rougher African one. I’m going with Iblocka on this.

  • shutup

    Just because your from a tough place doesn’t make you tough. Obv you know nothing of Queensbridge; Artest is a beast, and Jackson has already proven himself. As for a fight we both know it’ll only last about two punches before its broken up, and my money is on Jackson in skills with his hands, now if they were fighting tigers or rabid baboons I’d give the nod to Ibaka’s “Congo” experience.

  • shutup

    Ibaka has always had that nasty streak, he’s gotten into a couple of these incidents in the last two years.

  • nick

    “goin in his mouth” what bout to blow a load in his mouth?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Well, that’s nothing but racist nonsense. Can you explain why the Democratic Republic of Congo has “state illegitimacy”? Please, do.
    Also, my money is on Ibaka and his death grip.

  • Lorne

    Right. Because Africans sit around finding wild animals to fight in the jungle. Look you ignorant, sheltered piece of trash, why don’t you either do what your handle reads or finally contribute something to the site. Things are a lot less ignorant around here when you don’t comment.

  • reese

    What do tigers have to do with Africa? Your borderline racist “joke” was not only unfunny but an epic FAIL. Go read a book.

  • Caboose

    Racist nonsense? Genius, there’s the Republic of the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The Democratic Republic was ruled by Mobutu for over 3 decades wherein he committed genocide, election fraud, and other horrible things. In the international community, The Democratic Republic is considered the most failed actual state in the world (given that Somalia has no state structure). The Republic of the Congo is one of the most stable governments in southern Africa. In 2010, the Republic of the Congo passed a law which guarantees the rights of indigenous peoples, the first of its kind in the continent. So shut up about things you clearly know nothing about.

  • shockexchange

    Drama is the last thing MWP and Stephen Jackson need at this point. In Indy MWP was poised to be the face of the L, but traded it all in for some late game wilding. He should change his name to “WMT” – a complete “Waste of %#$@!? Talent”

  • shutup

    I edited it because after some research found out Tiger’s don’t live in Africa, even though there species may be found in the wild out there, Lions are more prevalent. It wasn’t racist at all not even borderline, it was more tongue and cheek at the fact that he kept mentioning his being from “Congo” somehow made him a tough guy. To me it’s funny when someone can defend one stereotype while claiming another one is racist, maybe you need to alter your perception of the world and stop thinking that all Africans are tough guys. Who reads books anymore? Go cash in some of your rubles or conflict diamonds and buy yourself a Kindle.

  • shutup

    LMFAO he kept bringing up that his being from the Congo gave him an advantage when it came to being tough, I didn’t say it to be racist, but fact of the matter is more wild animals live in that part of the world, oh and FYI all three of the aforementioned men are black so supporting one instead of the other is in no way “racist” . As for sheltered piece of trash save it for someone who care what you think, and that do what your handle says ish is old, your not clever, your not the first one that thought that ish was cute, did you call your boyfriend over and say look I just burned this guy using his own handle to insult him, did it give you a good chuckle? Did typing out your comment give you a feeling of righteous indignation? Did it make you feel smart, trying to educate me about the fact that Africans don’t fight wild animals?

  • shutup

    Damn son you must read a lot, how’d you get so smart?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Umad, bro? Your comment is racist because it completely ignores what white people (i.e. Belgian and US imperialists) did to the DRC. Prior to Mobutu, the DRC was more developed than South Africa and was on a progressive, socialist/Pan-African path. Well, who assassinated Patrice Lumumba and put Mobutu in power? Oh yeah, white people.
    Why is the DRC a so-called “failed state”? Because the US trained, armed, and funded Rwandan and Ugandan proxy armies to invade the mineral rich regions of the Congo so that Western mining companies could profit off of Congolese slave labor. Today, Uganda and Rwanda are the ones committing genocide in the Congo, on behalf of US corporate interests.
    This nonsense about the DRC being a failed state is nothing but a racist caricature that paints the Congolese–the victims–as inept savages who can’t govern themselves properly. This “African dictator” caricature is convenient though, when guilty white liberals want to wash their hands of the dirt their countries are doing. They aren’t a failed state; they’re a TARGETED state. *White people* committed genocide and other horrible things there.
    And there’s a reason for this type of propaganda right now… the US has been trying to overthrow President Joseph Kabila for years, ever since US proxies in the region assassinated his father (Laurent Kabila) during the so-called Second Congolese War. And for whom is the US pining to replace Joseph Kabila? Etienne Tshisikedi… who betrayed Lumumba and worked for Mobutu.
    Anytime some white dude tries to call African countries “failed states” and runs his trap about “African dictators,” it IS racist.

  • shutup

    Judging by that tweet its obvious that Jackson wants it with dude and as for MWP well he didn’t back down either. Methinks Ibaka has been hanging around fake tough guy Perkins a bit too much who got that act from KG when they were both Celtics.

  • shutup

    Here you go again…..can’t miss a chance to bash America and the worlds white people, and you have the nerve to call someone else a racist.

  • Caboose

    Did I blame anyone? No. I’m being as subjective as possible, in that, the stability of the DRC is far less than the Republic. It’s that simple, come on now, you’re the one trying to make something of it. You always love picking the race battle. How about sit this one out sparky, and accept that this isn’t a racial issue? I was simply speaking on the governments of both, and if you think that the DRC is a more stable, safe, and fair state than the RC, well, whatever.

  • Lorne

    Moron, the race of the other two men is irrelevant. You still made a dumbass, stereotypical, ignorant crack about an African fighting wild animals, as a billion other racist dummies have done before. You didn’t think it would come off as racist? Either you knew it would, or you’re really just too stupid to share your opinions in public. Nothing you said justifies it. You typed a long, lame, emotional response like an embarrassed preteen and you still came off just as stupid as you did in the original offending comment.

    Sharing my disgust with idiots like you always makes me feel good.

  • Caboose

    The tongue-in-cheek should be obvious…

  • reese

    Who defended what? WTF are you even talking about? Anyway, you had to research what a fifth grader could tell you off the top of their head? Nice. It was racist, and some d-bag on an anonymous website isn’t going to convince anyone that he’s the exception when it comes to racist jokes about Africans. Look how defensive you are. And FYI, whether it’s an e-book or a paperback, go f*cking read more before you further make a jackass out of yourself.

  • Lorne

    I don’t recall asking you about anything regarding his comment. I’m definitely not interested in your opinion on what should be taken lightly. Thanx tho.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    It was really the word “illegitimacy” that bugged me, cuz I’m tired of
    Americans thinking they can judge which states are “legitimate” or not. You don’t see how that’s racist? The fact that people in predominantly white countries feel they have the moral license to do this (when their countries are directly responsible for creating these so-called “failed states” in the first place)?
    Anyways, if we’re talking about stability, then it’s different… so alright. Oh and I didn’t know about that law the ROC
    passed–that’s pretty cool. I’ll look into it.

  • Caboose

    You make me feel small inside.

  • Lorne

    Just because his perspective about various issues is more fact based and reality based than you ignorant ass doesn’t mean it’s okay to dismiss FACTS as racist. Besides, Teddy brings a lot more to this site that you ever will. God knows between your stupidity and Caboose being an insufferable know-it-all (with all 15 years he’s been on the planet), this site needs Teddy’s perspective.

  • Lorne

    Don’t you mean you’re being as OBJECTIVE as possible? For someone who always pokes his nose in everyone else’s convos to correct them you should be more careful, unless you’re actually admitting to being subjective.

  • Caboose

    Legitimacy meaning: fairness of elections, justified use of force, recognition of citizens, and provision of basic public goods. That’s what legitimate means (to me anyways) in most political science discussions. It doesn’t matter (in this discussion) who did what, the fact is that the DRC is much less “legitimate” (my definition) as a state than the ROC. Fair?

  • Caboose

    My apologies, yes. Objective. And you misspelled conversation.

  • Lorne

    Funny. I can’t recall even attempting to write out the word ‘conversations’. I do recall intentionally using a slang word in place of it, except unlike you I added an ‘s’ to indicate multiple conversations. Again, thank you.

  • Caboose

    I’m willing to have a reasoned discussion about this. I was just pointing out that shutup’s comment was likely meant to be satirical, not an actual reflection of what he thinks. Surely tongue-in-cheek makes it more acceptable, yes? As for what’s going on between Teddy and I, I was pointing out a fundamental difference between the two countries. It is true, the DRC is less stable than the ROC. Teddy is also absolutely correct: it is western states that have contributed to the instability and illegitimacy (see my prior comments for my definition of such) of the DRC vs the ROC. But the fact is that the ROC is safer as a state than the DRC. We can have a discussion about which is more stable OR why one is more stable than the other, but not both simultaneously. As for racism, that’s a tricky issue. To me, if you provide upfront that you are making a joke, then offense shouldn’t be taken. It’s a joke. That’s just my perspective. Shutup could have made his humor more clear, that’s obvious. But if you know now, it was a joke, are you offended? If you do take offense to humor, then that is a fundamental, philosophic difference between us that is perfectly acceptable.

  • Lorne

    I don’t mind having a real discussion on it. In fact, I have a question for the both of you. What was the authority that granted either of you the right to decide which racist jokes people should and shouldn’t take offense to? Racism is a tricky issue only for those who want to decide for others what should and shouldn’t offend them. What’s funny to you isn’t funny to me and vice versa. The way to avoid such controversies is to simply not go out of your way to make such dumb “jokes”. If an individual lacks the creativity and the wit to find other ways to be humorous then they should leave the jokes to people who are actually funny. This is not some fantasy post-racial world where all things are equal.

  • Caboose

    For the record, I did not make a joke. I’m of the opinion that if ANYTHING said is under the umbrella of humor, it is ok. That’s just how I see it, but I wouldn’t expect that to apply outside myself, which is why I do NOT make controversial jokes. To me, trying to find some line between offensive jokes and inoffensive ones is impossible; it’s all or nothing. And, as said, to me, if it’s a joke, nothing is offensive. I basically subscribe to the Ricky Gervais theory of comedy. Clearly, that is not for everyone, so I don’t try to tread that line. I avoid it altogether. Fair?

  • Lorne

    I can respect that you view the issue that way, though I am not in agreement. I understand your reasoning behind it. It’s different than those who actually make the jokes because you avoid offending others while maintaing your right to not be offended at all. I can’t actually knock that, even if I don’t hold that position myself.

  • Caboose

    Exactly, it’s not washing my hands of the affair, it’s more just letting people do what they want. Where do you draw the line then on an offensive vs inoffensive joke? Is there a line?

  • Redd

    You’re equal in stupidity to Teddy.

  • Caboose

    No, he’s not. Keep reading the conversation, he just has a different philosophy.

  • eddiemack

    You’re calling someone out after you post racist and homophobic comments? Seriously, shutup, just one yourself. You have mo moral ground to stand on after the type of bs you posted here.

  • Caboose

    Hey hey, calm down. We’re having a reasoned discussion below, ok? Feel free to join in there. Thank you.

  • Redd

    Ok I did, my bad. Only in regards to him being right about the joke bit but he’s an idiot for agreeing with Teddy who’s a moron.

  • Caboose

    Teddy is bright, he just tries to pick fights along race lines when there shouldn’t be any. He’s not wrong (a tad harsh at times) with his facts, just his context.

  • Redd

    Except that while blaming whites for the genocide in Rwanda and the many areas affected by it, he is oblivious in knowing that it was done by Muslim Arabs, I say this whilst being Muslim. Have the super powers perhaps aided it? Sure but keep it real. The dude likes to be anti American in an outlandish and humorous way.

  • Lorne

    I just think that anytime your jokes include stereotypical indictments of entire groups, you should not only be prepared for the backlash, but own that it was a bad decision to tell it. Humor actually exists without resorting to racism, sexism, homophobia, or religiously offensive material. Making fun at the struggles/histories of entire groups isn’t funny either. I’m not saying everything should be cookie cutter clean, but those types of jokes don’t say anything good about the individual telling it.

  • Caboose

    A legitimate view, even if I don’t share it. Fair enough, my friend.

  • Caboose

    Sometimes, yeah. Agreed.

  • Lorne

    Redd, you really are one of the most unlearned commenters on here. WTF does Rwanda have to do with Arab Muslims? The Rwandan genocide was a black African issue between two black African ethnicities, Hutus and Tutsies. The Sudanese conflict involves Arab Africans as well as black Africans Your dumbass would know these things if you were in the least bit bright enough to educate yourself. As it remains, you are still an ignorant loser who gets made fun of because of it. Jackass.

  • Lorne

    And if you knew anything about Rwanda you’d know that the hostilities between the two groups were fostered by white colonizers who used it to keep a division in the country. Divide and conquer, ever heard of that? The friction remained long after Rwanda gained independence. You make yourself look stupid. You never need outside help.

  • Lorne

    If you had an ounce of Teddy’s knowledge people might actually respect and appreciate your opinions. You know too little to have real perspective on issues. I almost always disagree with him, but at least Caboose reads up on things. You’re the dumb kid who wants to hang with the smart kids, and thinks that intelligence will just rub off on you if you just keep standing around.

  • Ugh

    “considered the most failed actual state in the world”

    Liberia?

  • Caboose

    I disagree, I think this site is the most accurate in terms of the aggregate views of political scientists.

    http://www.fundforpeace.org/global/?q=fsi-grid2012

  • Redd

    “Smart kids” LOL. “You can’t join our crew”. Sthu, you’re an idiot as is Teddy. A bunch of idiotic kids reading up on conspiracy theories & trying to change the world on a computer.

    Unlike you morons, I read facts and books & I actually go out in the world and try to change it with actions. And again moron, Muslim Arabs committed genocide in Rwanda and the like, but I need his knowledge. LOL

  • Caboose

    Psst, when you are 100% right (Rwanda was all African), it’s best to keep the vitriol to yourself. It’s when you’re 90% right that you get to ridicule. Otherwise you come across as a bully.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I appreciate the compliments, Lorne. Much respect to you too.
    As for Redd, he’s actually a decent human being even though he likes to call people names. Just don’t take what he says too seriously, lol.

  • Redd

    I did say Rwanda and the genocide which affected Sudan but ok moron lol. That was done by Arab Muslims. You’re very moronic, I’m the most unlearned? Ok I’ll take the advise of someone who’s an idiot..logical.

    At a point, I’m beginning to think you & Teddy are Canadian men who just sit around and assume the worst in an effort to fight the white establishment for sake of being different. Furthermore, me as a Muslim know the affects of the white establishment but I prefer to act and try to help those affected rather than talking about it.

  • Redd

    I did add Sudan…don’t get why that’s hard to register lol. Most Africans do also recognize as Black Arabs or Black Africans (much as is the issue amongst many communities in the world).

  • Lorne

    Damn Redd. You’re even dumber than I originally thought, and that’s saying a lot. I’m actually starting to think your I.Q borders legal retardation.

    Sidebar: There should be a rule banning people from using the term ‘kid’ when they aren’t old enough to legally buy alcohol. You just look dumb when you do it… Historical facts aren’t conspiracy theories, genius. If you had any type of intelligence you’d just stop trying to join conversations about topics you have no knowledge on. Don’t get mad at others when you get verbally slapped around due to your own stupidity. You do realize there is probably no one who has ever read comments on this site that would back you over Teddy when it comes to pure knowledge of U.S or global history, right? You proved why yet again with all of your comments.

  • Lorne

    Bullies initiate confrontations. That wasn’t the case. You don’t get to call someone stupid, and follow it up by posting some severely dumb sh*t right after unless you just love humiliation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HolyBaller Dillan Leu

    Thanks assholes for spamming the hell out of this post. 2% conversation about Ibaka, World Peace and Stephen Jackson, and 98% people having a stupid argument. ‘Preciate that.

  • Lorne

    You being Muslim has nothing to do with why you’d have more knowledge on anything other than Islam (and I doubt you are even well versed in that area). That whole point was irrelevant and further illustrates my point about you just not being a smart guy.

    You can’t even successfully defend your own weird points without looking like a fool. If Teddy and I were Canadian men we would somehow be less knowledgeable? We would be less intelligent? Being aware of more than domestic propaganda is a bad thing? We should be gung ho patriots who believe nothing other than what we’re dictated, regardless of actual facts. Got it. Look how well it’s working out for you. Just stop. You’re making a fool out of yourself

  • Caboose

    Sorry, your post just didn’t make that clear, like at all.

  • Caboose

    Thrust and parry.

  • KevinTaylor

    I don’t mean to butt in you guys discussion, but wouldn’t it have been easier to admit that you confused the two conflicts and said my bad. As an outsider, Idk what the hell you’re talking about. No offense.

  • Redd

    I never implicated knowledge, my point was that I’m unbiased in telling what the truth is you moron.

    You like to assume a lot of moronic and hilarious things. “We’re canadians so we’re less intelligent. The heck did you get that..lol. Shut up.

  • Lorne

    Soooooo being Muslim while having an uninformed opinion means you’re unbiased? Thanks for clearing that up. I’m sure that makes a lot of sense in that little world in that even smaller brain of yours.

    I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt by asking what you meant by that dumb Canadian comment, though I knew you were sticking your foot in your mouth as usual. Look Redd, I’ve already gotten the satisfaction of reading you stumble over your own stupidity. This is getting boring. Now the discussion is pointless.

  • Caboose

    I regret engaging in any of this. Let me summarize ok?

    shutup: Made a crass joke, borderline offensive. Implications of joke were discussed, issue came down to differing philosophies.
    Lorne: Too quick to insults, but knows what he is talking about. Has conservative but acceptable view regarding racism and the like.
    Teddy: Arguably most knowledgable of world politics, very quick to jump on the anti-white debate, misunderstood contexts, confrontational, but willing to discuss.
    Redd: Made mistake regarding Rwandan genocide. Has good things to say, but has had to resort to mudslinging as a result of attacks.
    Caboose: Also too confrontational, good amount of knowledge, not offended by any borderline comments as long as under umbrella of humor.

    Now guys, settle down. It’s annoying to read. Redd made a mistake about Rwanda. It doesn’t make him racist or stupid. Lorne, we get it, you know about this stuff. Teddy, stop trying to pick so many fights. Shutup, stop trying to backpedal and just tell us what you think.

    TLDR: Everyone is trying to make the other look stupid. DRC is more unstable than ROC. Definitions and context are important. There are equally valid yet conflicting philosophies regarding offensiveness.

  • Willie lump lump

    As long as a group or individual blames their problems on somewhere else they will never fix them for themselves..

  • roscoe

    nothing wrong w/ mwp & ibaka playing the game hard. that is respectable.

    i’m impressed w/ mwp & ibaka keeping their cool while breathing on each other.

  • samantha

    Hey Redd no disrespect but you said Arab Muslims were responsible for the Rwandan genocide. That is false. You didn’t say anything about Sudan. I re-read your comment just before I posted this. Hutus were slaughtering Tutsies. Arab Muslims had nothing to do with it. The Dutch pit those two groups against each other initially and it got worse when they left. It’s great that so many of you Americans are interested in the subject. Cheers!

  • Caboose

    Brazzaville is actually one of the nicest cities in southern Africa.

  • Caboose

    Ok, do you want to talk about Ibaka?

  • Caboose

    Dude max benches over 450. He’s ripped.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    What up, Caboose? I was agreeing with your comment up until the “redd has good things to say” part.

  • Caboose

    Haha be nice, he’s not stupid, he has contributed things before, but this wasn’t his best thread…

  • elmaar

    Teddy, I partly read your comments on that Omri Casspi thread which were kinda too much considering this is a baskeball site although still point on. This time it’s out of hand. Hate when people start something out of nothing. You need to stop this and go to a different site with this racial bullsh1t.

  • Redd

    Uninformed? You mean me having worked with Save Darfur’s initiative since I was 14? Yes, oh my am I uninformed. Thank you, all knowing one.

    Dumb Canadian comment? I was stating a theoretical scenario and you haven’t made me stumble once you idiotic, narcissistic clown. It was Caboose who called me out and rightfully so. With people like Caboose whom I respect on this site, whether he disrespects me or not idc because I still know he’s a fair person.

    You & people like you however prefer narcissism, it’s said but entertaining all at once. You’re a moron, but prefer to try to belittle those who you can’t. It’s ok, little man complex & whatnot.

  • Redd

    Great now I feel like a douche, barely half a positive reaction/compliment or not. Let me apologize for calling you out for no reason(on this thread at the least). I had no right to do that, frankly was annoyed at Caboose being attacked for no good reason but still.

  • Redd

    Wait…when did I specify what part of what you said was conspiracy theory or not? I simply compared you to a kid who sits in his chair all day making theories up & not making a difference.

    You’re beyond idiotic or just easily maddened therefore jump to conclusions that merit no response.

  • Redd

    I said many areas, excuse the confusion and lack of clearing up what I meant. I was watching the fight so I wasn’t very focused in. But nonetheless, it should be further noted that Darfur was mostly Arabs committing genocide on Arabs.

    My point was, stop blaming the white establishment when at times it’s simply genocide caused by people of said lands(Syria,Bahrain, Mexico, etc). I’m bitter to the white establishment as much as anyone but I don’t ignorantly see them as the source for everything wrong. You have to study & learn & communicate to get it. For example, I’m still puzzled as to why Egypt is rebelling again, it’s always deeper than understandable for those not in these affected areas such as us. So let’s stop playing like we’re giving truths out rather let’s act & find truths because we’ll never know anything, I’m stupid even til’ the day I’m dead or I’m old & wise from experience. I’m still not wise then.

  • leo

    Truth is u don’t know much about the truth;NO OFFENCE

  • shutup

    Homophobic? I thought Lorne was a girls name, my bad.

  • shutup

    So white Africans can’t fight animals? When did race enter the conversation…..oh when you assumed I was talking about Black people, and not just people from Africa…..and I am the idiot.

  • shutup

    You would think so…….

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    karl malone would check all these ni99as

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    he got that african blood

  • King David

    lmaoooo thank u

  • King David

    they better chill Ibaka from Congo he fight with gorillas n monkeys lmaooooo

  • bringbackthesonics

    they need to have a three way fight with dennis rodman as the referee

  • Silva

    If you don’t know background facts and the history of these areas, then you can’t really speak on the origins of the problem. Your arguments can’t be valid if you don’t have a real historical context in which to place the current or recent events, such as conflicts within Africa. You would do well to read up on these issues. Teddy actually placed a lot of the issues with Congolese peoples in perspective, even if you don’t agree with his personal opinion. Your patriotism or whatever it is that drives you to be dismissive of facts in getting in the way of the rest of us taking your opinions serious. Respectfully, I suggest you not only read up on not only the history of colonialism and its effects, but also the current global economic policies that essentially are designed to keep non-western countries from maximizing their potentials. It’s really counter productive to the Western agenda to have these nations truly flourish. Read up on the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, the U.N security council, and the G8 and G20 groups. Until you are well versed about the issues I mentioned above, I would refrain from insulting anyone. Lorne may have been a bit harsh with the insults, but he was pretty dead on.

  • Lorne

    Nobody believes you. None of your comments make sense. Just stop.

  • rickie bobby

    Who died and made you the Slam police? Don’t like it, don’t read it. It’s that simple lmaoo

  • Lorne

    Try as you may, he has no interest in understanding anything having to do with facts. He literally posted “I’m still puzzled as to why Egypt is rebelling again”. In Redd’s world, the entire nation of Egypt is “rebelling” against its leader. He has no clue that there are several view points within that country. He has no clue who Mohamed Morsi is. To his stupid ass, a bunch of people in other parts of the world are simply fighting amongst themselves because they just like to fight. In Redd’s world, there is no outside instigation or involvement. Things are just very simple. I would bet money that the kid has barely traveled outside of his city, much less outside the country. I’d be shocked if he actually owned a passport.

  • charliewinning

    Twitter tough guys are annoying. Threats via social media are for guys who love to talk and love attention.

    This thread is awesome. The commenters here are consistent. The idiots are still posting idiotic, uninformed comments. The well read adult commenters are still posting comments that demonstrate their knowledge.

  • charliewinning

    I can’t lie, I haven’t truly understood most of your comments here. Actually, your explanations confused me more.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Haha, I enjoyed reading everyone’s comments, including the insults. You shouldn’t regret anything. It was a good thread overall.

  • Salty

    Haha I love watching people trying to determine who would win a fight between the two. What’s more to the point is that grown men still don’t have enough self control to not get into fights. If you fight when you’re a teenager, that’s understandable. Once you’re a grown man, learn how to control yourself. This tough guy s*** is embarrassing.

  • Salty

    Wow. You guys took this little situation between two knuckleheads to another level. Settle the f*** down.

  • Salty

    Lol

  • bill

    “Goin in ya mouth”?

    Must’ve spent a lot of time in the Castro while with the Warriors

  • Datkid

    they shouldn’t want it with him though. IMO.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    It’s not exactly very hard to be anti American. I mean, it today’s world, it’s almost wrong NOT to be anti-American.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Stack Jack should actually check out Ibaka’s history. He ain’t a punk.

  • Datkid

    Queensbridge is still better than being desperately poor in an african country. even a stable one. but obi you know nothing of that. and if it’s only a few punches then because Iblocka has more reach than both of them he shouldn’t be counted out.

  • shutup

    So perpetuating stereotypes such as every person from the “Congo” is tough because they all live in the slummiest of slums is OK in your book? You see these sort of things run both ways, you can’t run around saying I have the biggest co(k because i am black then get mad when someone says well you must be ignorant because of the same thing. Before you go judging other people’s intelligence, why not try to understand the point they are trying to make. Unless you are so blinded by your inequities that you find slights where there are none.

  • Datkid

    This isn’t about stereotypes you jackass… Ibaka’s had a rough upbringing in a rough area, even for a pretty stable country. read up about him before you just assume he’s going to just lie down and give up in a fight.

  • shutup

    But just like Jackson said; Ibaka ain’t about that life. Ibaka isn’t going to swing first, he is a retaliatory guy, I could see Jackson two piecing him and it getting broke up. If anyone on the Thunder would get it poppin believe it would be Westbrook, he just comes off as that type of hot-head.

  • Datkid

    you missed my entire point about him being growing up in poverty lmao. it’s not that he’s from the congo. it’s that he was POOR in a poorer country than we are(which means things were worse) it’s that his mother died, his father was imprisoned in a war and he lived with his grandma in a house with no running war or electricity for years….smh you’re better than this.

  • shutup

    Easy with the name calling, you said he was tough because he grew up in the “Congo” what ever the fok that means. I don’t like the way dude handles himself on the court, I am not going to waste time reading his bio, never said he would give up in a fight, just don’t think he is on the same level as Artest or Jackson who are proven commodities, the whole world having witnessed their handy work. Like I said coming from a rough place doesn’t automatically make you a tough guy, Artest and Jackson are both tough guys that came from tough places, can you follow that logic?

  • Datkid

    I agree westbrook would totally be the first one to start it. I’m not really sure if Ibaka would start it, he might tho lol.

  • Datkid

    You and teddy were both right for the most part. Although I agree more with you. DRC is super unstable which is what you meant. Teddy simply misunderstood you when you talked about legitimacy, when you meant instability. Although I do see exactly what he’s saying, and that is fairly racist when people say that.

  • shutup

    So besides the running water how is that different from Odom, whos mother died and Father was a crackhead or boys that grow up in group homes with no family, that have to fight everyday for food, or can’t sleep because someone from a rival gang has the next room over? Like the kids I counseled at St.Johns group home in Far Rock, that wake up in the middle of the night crying for their families, who wet their bed because they have the emotional development of someone years younger than they are? Poverty is poverty and your dismissal of that is clear evidence that you are unaware of the atrocities that the youth of this nation face, you may not be better than that, but I still have hope for you, open your eyes.

  • charliewinning

    It is hard if your p.o.v is limited only to what you are spoon fed, not that I’m advocating being anti-American. I advocate learning about more than what’s directly in front of you. Learn more than just what you are told in school and from our media, whose job it is to be biased. Redd just seems like a young guy who needs to experience and learn more about life outside the country. Most people who scream that every little fact is anti-American are closed minded. It’s hard for them to imagine that the phrase “U.S interests abroad” might mean that it may not necessarily be in the best interests of non-Americans. They tend to have a naive view of our foreign policy being totally benevolent as it pertains to the rest of the world. That’s pretty much what I take from Redd’s comments. Someone brought up a great point about colonialism and its effects. Redd may not be aware of how deeply it affects the East/West relations today. We all need to be aware of more than what we’re programmed to believe. He isn’t the only person on here who is blissfully ignorant of the realities of our world.

  • Salty

    Wikipedia

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    Please tell me you guys haven’t forgotten about the death grip???

  • Lorne

    Is your entire argument really based on what you think I think about Datkid’s comment? You’re assuming I was fine with his comment because I went after your blatantly racist, unfunny “joke”, which Caboose did a better job defending than anything you’ve posted so far. Your whole imaginary double standard position isn’t going to work with me.

    His comment didn’t appear well thought through, but if anything it warranted clarification first since it’s actually known that Ibaka had a rough upbringing. It was easy to prioritize who to go after when you went several steps further to make a common racist “joke” about Africans fighting animals. You left no room whatsoever to give you the benefit of the doubt. Your point about who may have won a fight became irrelevant after you took the discussion there. There is problem if you can’t successfully defend a stance without resorting to common racist remarks. I felt my questioning of your intelligence was justified after you followed the racist remark with the inclusion of tigers. Not just a racist joke, but a butchered one at that. It wasn’t funny and it was offensive. Then you kept making those types of remarks in another comment. You can’t even pretend to kick knowledge about social justice on here.

  • Lorne

    Is it safe to assume you had ‘Lauren’ in mind? You thought my single syllable last name was a two syllable girl’s name? Nice try.

  • Datkid

    yeah the sh*tty childhood and poverty is implied in the congro remark. I actually should’ve made that more clear so that’s my fault I assumed everybody knew. You talk about them being proven commodities, and they are but let’s keep in mind that if you’re 6’7 260 it doesn’t take much toughness to punch an out of shape 5’9 fan as opposed to someone who’s 6’11, younger, quicker, and almost as strong as you. The fact of the matter is that you have no real idea how tough ibaka is period. can you follow that logic?

  • Datkid

    I won’t doubt it. but the slums probably aren’t that nice.

  • Datkid

    are you really trying to argue that being poor in america is as bad as being poor in a third world country? and FYI running war is a pretty big issue for reasons obvious to… everyone. but ok lol. and I’m not blind to poverty dog, I’m not sure what makes you think that.

  • Jayo

    Yo Redd, never comment again. “And again moron, Muslim Arabs committed genocide in Rwanda and the like, but I need his knowledge.” lmmfaooo what the hell does that mean dog? Talk about clueless.

  • Salty

    What’s a poverty dog?

  • shutup

    I thought Lorne was your first name, to me it sounded more feminine than masculine so no i didnt think it was lauren. How am i supposed to know it’s your last name, if I thought you were a man i would have substituted boyfriend for girlfriend.

  • shutup

    Your the one seeking social justice on a basketball site, further more I apologize for not knowing the indigenous land of the tiger, lastly Africa doesn’t constitute a race, its a continent, many races live there and I am pretty sure that all at some time had some run in with wild animals, as much as you try to make it a race issue, your simply misguided in your retort. Like i said previously, all Datkid kept saying was he has to be tougher because he grew up in the Congo, which is as bad of a stereotype as saying that Africans fight wild animals. I have exhausted my patience for trying to explain the joke that you clearly didn’t get. Truth be told being over sensitive about an issue will lead to more fighting and more hate, your not curing the world hate, your just spreading it further, just like your hero Teddy ( who is knowledgeable, but misguided in his disgust for all things American and/or White)

  • shutup

    So whats the over/under that Ibaka acts up and Jack doesnt deck him? Who do you think puts more fear in the heart of the average man Ibaka: or Jackson or Artest, my money is on the latter two, just based on previous acts of violence. Not to mention that growing up in poverty instills a different kind of toughness than having to fight everyday. At least Ibaka had some family to fall back on.

  • shutup

    yes I argue that growing up in a group home with no family at a young age rivals that or surpasses that of growing up in a third world country while surrounded by family. You have no idea the kind of abuse kids in America undergo at the hands of the system. I can’t understand if you keep misspelling running water or running WAR.

  • Redd

    I do know though, but I also have met people who’ve gone through the atrocities being discussed and have asked & probed them..so…yeah.

  • Redd

    I hear you on that, it’s hard & I am anti-American government but not Anti-American. No other country is better to live in at the moment ironically though.

  • http://twitter.com/_DFrance DFrance

    Well according to Wojarknkwoskgjdhrwshdhski from Yahoo, Stack5 is now $25k poorer thanks to Stern.

  • BossTerry

    Wow, here I was hoping to get some comments about, um, you know, basketball. Heres what I get- (1) so and so could win that fight. (2) no way.. you’re racist. (3) oh yeah, you’re dumb. (4) I too agree that so and so is racist, but not dumb. (5) Nah, hes and idiot… but not a racist. (6) No he is dumb AND racist, but not as dumb as so and so.. And much more racist than (other) so and so.. This site is such a joke anymore, I only visit to view headlines, tonite is the first time in months I’ve actually looked at any of your comments…

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    1. After reading most of the comments on here I would advise some of you to stay within the limits of basketball, don’t talk about things you don’t understand. You watch cnn and read stuff online and you think you know everything

    2. I personally known serge and played with him for years, he’s a total class act he’ll never gets into war of words or stuff like that

    real name: mike senga
    country: democratic republic of congo

  • Guest

    it’s hard to admit, but it’s true

  • shutup

    Yes my whole argument is in fact that it was a response to DatKids comment, because it was a response to Datkids comment. DUH!!!

  • shutup

    and this ignorance goes uncommented on, lmfao.

  • Lorne

    My response was to your comment, hence your name being beside the arrow. It wasn’t to Datkid’s so as I said before, your argument doesn’t have a real focus if it is centered on your false assumption that I found his comment to be acceptable. I found his comment ambiguous since as I said before–WHICH DATKID LATER CLARIFIED–Ibaka’s INDIVIDUAL UPBRINGING was indeed tough.

  • Lorne

    I don’t care what kind of website it is, if you make a racist comment you will be called on it. Don’t try to spin this. It makes you look worse. And don’t preach to me about a continent I visit every year at least once a year. That’s a fail automatically, buddy. I didn’t get your “joke”? I didn’t understand your stereotype? There was no hidden meaning to get. You’re not some genius who suddenly made a common racist crack into some deeper meaning, wittier crack. You don’t seem to like being held accountable for what you put out there. If you make ignorant remarks and no one calls you on it, will that make you feel better? I know it would and I have no intentions on obliging. Ignorance breeds more hate, not checking those who spout it.

    You are definitely not in a position to judge who is misguided. The person on here most in line with your opinion is Redd, which says a lot. It’s not even like we’re two people looking at the same set of facts and forming an equal but opposing opinion. You can’t have less knowledge than a person and claim your opinion is as valid, which is the point I was trying to make to Redd.

  • Tune

    Good riddance. You were one of the wackest on here anyway.

  • Tim

    This comment is a prime example of why no one takes you serious. You bashing Teddy and Lorne and then you post that sh!t. Neither of them said anything about hating white or normal american citizens.

  • t

    Well said charliewinning

  • t

    The fact that you think teddy is being “too confrontational” and is anti-white demonstrated your biases because literally EVERY point teddy makes he can back up with facts or else logical interpretations of the after effects of colonialism. Sounds to me like we got a few commenters who cant deal with something called white guilt.
    But you’re gonna hafta get better about it fellas bc the demographics of the world are changing and you dont want ALL the colored ppls of the world angry at the white race do you? No? So then start showing a little more humility and sensitivity to the feelings of ppl whose ancestors were exploited by your ancestors. Its not entirely fair to you but trust, it’s better than the suffering colored ppl have endured throughout history at the hands of religous white ppl, greedy white ppl, lol just white ppl in general i guess (just kidding)

  • eric.park

    I don’t think Caboose is white, though I could at least understand his young mind if he was. Many of them don’t understand because they simple aren’t affected by everything that has and is happening as a result of white/western actions. Sadly, I think he’s Asian like me. We call his kind Twinkies.

  • shutup

    I don’t care if you think my response was acceptable, lets get that clear. Just because he back tracked after the fact doesn’t mean that’s what he was indicating, and it wouldn’t matter anyway, the way he went about expressing it was humorous (in a stupid/silly way) so I responded with humor of my own, his logic was flawed from the beginning, having a tough upbringing doesn’t make you a tougher(better fighter) which is what this whole article was about.

  • bruce almighty

    That’s basically what Caboose meant. That’s his mentality.

  • Lorne

    I’m not going to play a guessing game with you on what he may have meant before he clarified. Like I said, I know Ibaka had a tough upbringing and it’s perfectly logical that he meant the same thing the way his post was worded. His post needed clarification. Yours did not. Your intentions were clear. You used racism to support your argument. I’m also not going to get into a nature vs nurture debate with you. It’s irrelevant, and it intentionally deflects from you addressing you own bad judgement.

  • shutup

    Your an F-in moron, so are you trying to say that you visiting Africa makes you a tougher person as well? In your travels have you yet to come across an African that had to fight a wild animal, because I’m betting that you met a couple. As for spinning this, you just gave Datkid a pass after the fact and your assumptions that my comment was racist was way off base.

  • Caboose

    He’s too confrontational because I mentioned NOTHING of white/black conflict. Did I ever say he was wrong? No. Because he is right. But the completely valid points he brought up were not relevant at all to the discussion we were having. How about you read the whole context of our discussion before forming your opinion, hm?

  • shutup

    Nurture vs nature has no place in this argument, lastly for it to be a racist comment wouldn’t I have had to be speaking about a race? not a region of the world? At this point I find it silly that your trying to paint me as a racist while touting Teddy as your hero, who clearly has an agenda against people that are white. I wasn’t putting forth an argument, I was commenting on a comment, that’s what you fail to understand. Have fun trying to find your way out of your little box.

  • Caboose

    C’mon, did you read the conversation I had with Teddy? “He’s not wrong with his facts” is a direct quote from me about him. I completely agree with the points he’s making. He agrees with mine as well, it was basic definitional stuff we got confrontational about. Additionally, I said Teddy was too confrontational because he brought up the race issue when the context of the discussion didn’t call for it. Ok? I’m not disputing anything Teddy said, only WHY he brought it up.

  • Caboose

    Haha it was, but now everybody thinks we’re against each other when we share like the exact same viewpoint. A nice commentary on how well people read, eh?

  • Caboose

    Yes. It’s ridiculous to say that one REGIME is more legitimate over the other. That’s a remark on the people of the state. But I worked on this definition: Government=style of governing (democracy, monarchy, etc). Regime=People in charge. State=the abstract body that controls the region. Calling a REGIME illegitimate is racist. Calling a STATE illegitimate (based on my earlier definition) is completely fair.

  • Caboose

    Not to mention, when the F*CK did I ever call Teddy anti-white? Way to put words in my mouth there, chief.

  • Lorne

    No asswipe, I’m saying you can’t talk to me about demographics in Africa since I traveled the damn continent extensively since I was a kid. Meaning, don’t try to explain to me the different races and how people live in Africa because I’m sure you’ve never been to a single country on the continent. My parents worked for a non-profit that specialized in women’s and children’s health. My world view is shaped not just by researched knowledge but by my experience actually spending so much time outside of the U.S. in various countries around the world. Coming back to the U.S for college I couldn’t believe how ignorant so many people were, and now as an adult I’ve learned not to be shocked by stupid comments like yours. But I’ll never let them slide. Again, making a common racist joke cannot be excused or explained away by intellectually weak arguments that seek to deflect blame and attention elsewhere. It won’t work. The fact that you won’t own your poor choice shows you are definitely holding on to racist sentiments.

  • Lorne

    “having a tough upbringing doesn’t make you a tougher(better fighter) which is what this whole article was about.”

    Those are your words. Whether his tough upbringing in a tough environment influences how tough he is as an individual is indeed a nature vs. nurture argument. How is that hard to see? I don’t care to engage in it but basically that’s what it is.

    I’m not trying to paint you as anything. You made the comment. Those were your words. Your words reflect your character because YOU chose them. No one put a gun to your head and told you to use a racist cliche. That was all you. Touting Teddy as my hero? WTF are you talking about? I respect his knowledge. You have a problem with facts on global human history. That’s your problem. You see he has an agenda because he speaks on issues in totality and in context. You’re uncomfortable with facts.

  • shutup

    “If you had an ounce of Teddy’s knowledge people might actually respect and appreciate your opinions.” your words sounds like hero worship to me: as for his agenda it’s crystal clear Anti-American and Anti-white no if ands or buts about it, but clearly racism isn’t your issueas long as it’s not your race that is being talked about, you focking hypocrite. As for nature vs nurture thats more for personality development (which honestly once you talk about upbringing it’s all nurture no nature, but way to try to sound smart regurgitating psycho-babble words you hear on TV, and if we were to start talking about nature doesn’t that tread the line of RACISM?or at the very least race issues; which your so clearly against); again I care not for what kind of personality Ibaka has, the discussion was who would win in a fight; so the only “toughness” that I care about in this regard is the ability to fight. Both Artest and Jax have proven that they are not only willing to fight, that they will do it regardless of the consequences, Ibaka has had many confrontations in the past two years not one lead to him swinging on anyone. My logic is based on known quantities, Artest and Jax’s aggression vs Ibaka’s passiveness, that is all.

  • shutup

    OK lets put an end to it. Are there different races in Africa? and have you ever met anyone that got attacked by a wild animal? or met someone that knew someone that did? Hippo, Lion, Shark or Snake would be a few examples.

  • t

    Apologies my man no intent to to attack you, just wanted to put in my two cents on a good discussion

  • Lorne

    The sad part is that this comment was the best you could do. SMH. Just stop making stupid racist comments. You didn’t reinvent the use of the idiotic, racist ‘Africans fight wild animals’ stereotype. You didn’t add a different meaning to it. You didn’t change the implications. None of your arguments hold weight in any way. Give it up.

  • t

    I have read the whole discussion. Just too lazy to go back and see exactly what you said bc honestly none of your points have been insightful enough to warrant that i was generalizing, lumping you in with all the other intellectual lightweights who have disagreed with teddy. Apologies for that. O yea, he brings up race bc guess what? Race affects nearly EVERYTHING in this world. I know lots of folks live in a fantasy of this being a post racial world where we’ve reached the very best social systems and justice for allis areality but that simply isn’t the case..again tho i wasnt tryin to attack you in particular just your phylum of ppl. Your bball opinions i generally agree with ftr

  • t

    Would you say u share the same viewpoint as ANYONE on here? Honestly i felt lorne was closest to us definitely not caboose but I’m asking you. Just kno teddy that theres ppl reading your words and appreciating your ATTEMPT to educate with a hammer.

  • Lorne

    Teddy is knowledgeable. You and Redd aren’t. That’s not hero-worship; that’s making an observation. It’s not my opinion, it’s the truth because your comments and Redd’s comments have demonstrated it. If Teddy and I are racist then you could easily prove it by successfully challenging our facts with other facts. I guess Caboose is racist too since he pretty much agrees with me on Teddy’s knowledge. Don’t make this so easy.

    If you feel someone is anti-white because they discuss current or past events you should work that out on your own. Racism exists in our foreign policy and economic policy. Acknowledging it isn’t racist, but the denial of these facts is.

    Moron, let me quote you AGAIN: “Just because your from a tough place doesn’t make you tough.” That is actually classic nature vs. nurture. Whether the environment makes a person tough or it their personal nature is a perfect example, and I find it hilarious that you’re trying to debate this. I don’t really care what you think of Ibaka’s toughness because as you’ve noticed I’m not interested. The classification of the debate is one that YOU chose with the above statement. The argument itself is silly to me.

  • Lorne

    Also, the Nature part of the debate refers to an individual’s own instincts regardless of outside influence. You don’t even fully understand the concept of nature vs. nurture and that’s clear. How can you get into racism when talking purely about an individual’s nature or personality? Individual meaning a single human being, not a group of people of any kind, genius.

  • charliewinning

    Truth. Teddy is actually the best commenter on here when it comes to subjects outside of basketball. He saves me a lot of typing lol. There’s a lot of closed, defensive minds on here.

  • Caboose

    Honestly though, what I was talking about wasn’t along race lines. I compared two African states (the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo). It is understood that one of them (the DRC) is far more unstable. I made this point to illustrate that it is unlikely that Serge saw any “crazy Guerilla sh!t” given that it is the DRC that is full of rebel violence, not the ROC. Teddy misinterpreted what I meant by an “illegitimate” state. He thought I meant that the “regime” (meaning the people running the state) was somehow unfit to rule. What an “illegitimate state” means (in the political science field anyways) is a state which does not have a monopoly of the legitimate use of violence in its given territory. Which the DRC STATE does not. That’s what I meant. Some call it instability (which is what an illegitimate state ultimately boils down to). I agree with Teddy in that the former definition of illegitimate state (those in power don’t have the right to be) is INCREDIBLY racist. But nowhere in my comments do I express that that is the view I share. In fact, Teddy and I have the exact same opinion in this matter.

  • shutup

    Nature in the term nurture vs actually refers to a person on the biological level. The implications of nature/vs nurture refers to personality development. OBV you don’t know what an opinion is. Yes it is racist to single out a demographic even if they are white and blame them for the world’s atrocities, which is exactly what TEDDY does, even if he does it eloquently. I feel someone is anti-white because they feel the need to point out that all oppression stems from *WHITE PEOPLE* go read Teddy’s second post on this thread, he made it a point to highlight the term WHITE PEOPLE. I don’t come to this site to discuss world politics there are better forums for that, I like to discuss basketball related stuff on this site.Sorry that your an oversensitive @$$hole.

  • Lorne

    Actually, genius nature vs nurture refers to the DEBATE itself. WITHIN THE DEBATE are people like Galton who believe a person’s nature at birth is a stronger influence on who they are. The other side of the nature vs. nurture debate suggests that environmental influences have a stronger impact on who a person is. People like Skinner leaned more toward that side of the debate. One thing is for damn sure, YOU aren’t an authority whose opinion anyone gives a sh*t about regarding which side is stronger. The debate hasn’t been settled and it damn sure won’t be by some racist on a basketball site. It’s why I won’t engage is silly hypotheticals about who can beat who. You wanna discuss basketball? Stop making dumb racist comments. It’s simple.

    If you have to put words in people’s mouths to support your points, then why debate? I know for a fact that every comment I’ve read by dude was talking about specific incidents in which western/white influence was a relevant factor in the deterioration of a specific conflict. I’ll tell you what, show me one post where he made a sweeping statement indicating he hates all whites. Show me exactly where he said all oppression stems from whites. You can’t can’t because he didn’t. As I said, even Caboose won’t back you up on that. I’m sorry your an ignorant asswipe who can’t successful defend his own points. All you can do is point to others as to why your racism is justified and you’re still terrible at that. It must suck being you.

  • shutup

    Avoidance will be accepted as an indication that you have given up and see the folly in your assumption that I am a racist. Thank you for playing, better luck next time.

  • shutup

    So many words, I given up reading your wikipedia drivel. Have fun on your tangent, no part of your diatribe refers to how Ibaka growing up in the Congo would make him a better fighter than Artest or Jax. As for the Teddy ish heres two snippets from the same long-@$$ comment “Well, who assassinated Patrice Lumumba and put Mobutu in power? Oh yeah, white people.” #2 ” *White people* committed genocide and other horrible things there.” if those arent racist remarks, then racist remarks don’t exist.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    This has been a good discussion and I appreciate you clarifying your points, and you’re of course right about the difference between ROC and DRC in terms of stability. So we agree there.

    I have to admit though, I’ve never seen the word legitimate used as a synonym for stability. Can you explain what you mean by “monopoly of the legitimate use of violence in its given territory”?

    They definitely don’t have a monopoly on the violence in their country right now, but they’re also being occupied by 2 foreign entities (Uganda and Rwanda) under the direction and guidance of their master, the United States (and all the corporate bloodsuckers who run the show here). All anti-government rebel groups in the DRC, like the M23, are really mercenaries under Rwandan or Ugandan influence–either that or actual Rwandans and Ugandans themselves.

    So, in that sense, Rwanda and Uganda’s perpetuation of violence in the DRC is 100% illegitimate and goes against all international law. When a country is under attack from imperialism, as is the case with the DRC, then it has every right to defend itself. That means to me, that the DRC does have the monopoly on *legitimate* use of force, at least in theory. Thoughts?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Probably just you, charlie and Lorne… and sometimes Allen Powell. Haha. Another dude by the name of z shows up every once in a while who I agree with a lot too. That’s about it off the top of my head lol. Thanks for the kind words, man, I appreciate that a lot.

    To informed people like you and Lorne, what I’m saying isn’t anything new. Whoever doesn’t think we live in a white male supremacist society that imposes this dynamic on the rest of the world in order to maintain a parasitic economic/class system, is just uninformed or delusional.

    The irony of course is that the idiots who start accusing us of being “anti-white” or “anti-American”–THEY’RE the ones who can’t make the distinction between white *people* and white *supremacy*.

    But hey, that’s their problem, not ours. (And I’m not talking about Caboose here, I’m talking about people in the West in general). It would probably blow their minds to know that other “white” people have been victims of white supremacy and imperialism too… The US and Britain who’ve been raping and pillaging Africa for hundreds of years also massacred Slavic and Irish folks for similar purposes.

    It always makes me feel better to think of this in a global
    context when you can’t find very many people here at home to agree with you. Globally, we aren’t a minority, we’re a majority. 92% of the world’s
    population agrees with you and I. Not to mention the many progressive, open-minded white Westerners as well. So… there’s a bright side. =)

  • z

    Just wanna thank you for backing teddy and dropping mad knowledge exposing some dumbasses in the process. Did any of em learn from the experience? Lol do they ever?

  • z

    You r THE example of a person unable to deal with white guilt. Lorne owns you.

  • shutup

    I’m not white, I have no guilt, I am a free man no one owns me. It’d be funny if Lorne did own someone though, talk about hypocritical. LMFAO

  • tosin07192

    lol y’all think cos MWP is crazy he can actually fight, dude is crazy yes I’ll give him his A plus on that but have you seen Ibaka, dude has like 0% body fat on him simply muscle mass, he could literally kill MWP or heck even this Stephenson cat.

  • tosin07192

    wow that was very insightful and I did my reserach on it, right on point. Thx

  • tosin07192

    your brain is equal in size to a peanut

  • tosin07192

    dude you really are an idiot, just “whitewashed” as I like to call it, what is your purpose if defending white folks again? oh yes, you have no identity, no independence, what they give you is what you take. That’s why they were able to poison black neighborhoods with crack. Yes, I am off-topic but it had to be emphasised.

  • tosin07192

    he isn’t that bright actually, but I guess not so great minds would think alike….

  • tosin07192

    “..they were fighting Lions or Rabid Baboons I’d give the nod to Ibaka’s “Congo” experience.” yes because that’s what folks do in Africa, chase after animals in the jungle all day. Just like in the Tarzan movie huh? smfh dude you really have no clue do you? you know NOTHING about your origin (I am guessing that you are black) it’s pathetic really. You need to cut those chains that your masters have on your brain, you whitewahsed fool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    i don’t think so

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