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Friday, December 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am  |  49 responses

Tyson Chandler Compares New York Knicks to Title-Winning Dallas Mavericks


When Tyson Chandler looks at the current New York Knicks, who have exceed all expectations so far this season, he seems many similarities with the Dallas Mavericks team that won the NBA championship in 2011. From CBS Sports: “His knees covered in compression wraps and feet soaking in an ice bucket, Chandler could not have agreed more. He’s been down this road before, and to him, the Knicks’ fast start has a familiar feel to it. ‘Dallas all over again,’ he said. ‘Me and the light-skinned brother over there talk about it all the time.’ The light-skinned brother, of course, was Jason Kidd, who wins wherever he goes. It was Kidd and Chandler who joined forces with Dirk Nowitzki and a cast of veterans, swaggering playmakers and fearless perimeter shooters to end Miami’s championship quest in this very building two years ago. James (who was brilliant Thursday night with 31 points, 10 rebounds and nine assists) and Dwyane Wade (who was not, with a 3-of-13 shooting night and a career-low plus-minus rating of minus-33) couldn’t be blamed if they were having flashbacks to the 2011 Finals. ‘It really feels like that, with the depth, the chemistry, the veteran leadership, the shooters,’ Chandler said. ‘And we have to really believe. The moment I signed [in Dallas], I promise you, I told my family, ‘We’re going to win a championship, and at minimum, we’re going to make it to the Western Conference finals.’ And I felt the same way once this group came together. With that team in Dallas, we started to believe as the season went along. The moment I walked in, I told all of them: ‘Prepare for a long season. We’re going all the way, and we have to have a mindset to do it, no matter what obstacles get in our way.’ And it’s the same thing with this team.’ [...] ‘The makeup of the team is very similar,’ Kidd admitted. ‘The star players, Dirk and Melo, tops in the world. The pieces are very similar. When we played defense to start the season off that year, we started to believe that we could win that way and it just snowballed. Hopefully, it’s the same thing here.’ But … this is where Kidd’s locker-room IQ equals or even surpasses his basketball IQ. ‘It’s an 82-game schedule,’ he said. ‘This is dress rehearsal, that’s all this is. You guys will do all the hype and everything, but this is just dress rehearsal for the playoffs. … You can’t fall into the trap of feeling good about yourself because we haven’t accomplished anything.’”

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  • roscoe

    imo, the pass the ball better than any other team I have seen this year.

  • roscoe

    *they

  • bringbackthesonics

    just hope injuries dont slow them down

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    The Kidd effect?

  • spit hot fiyah

    they actually have a lot of similarities, melo being dirk, jr being jet, tyson being tyson, novak being cardinal, than light skinned brother being jason kidd

  • Seth

    The return of Stoudemire could be interesting. It could disrupt their momentum.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if only Melo could ever shoot over 50% for a season like Dirk did in ’11

  • RayJr

    If I remember correctly, that Mavs team did shoot and make a lot of 3s like this Knicks team is doing now

  • RayJr

    I would think Novak would be Peja

  • danpowers

    he would if he would get calls that other stars get. dont come at me now with smth like whining or excuse. watch knicksgames, he gets whacked on 4 to 5 shots a game with no-calls while other stars get whistles when their defenders even think about touching them. plus his shooting didnt hurt the knicks so far. i barely saw him taking illadviced shots. the knicks tend to still isolate him into bad positions from time to time. but overall hes doing the right things at the right time. his passing and leadership are really outstanding this year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Carmelo Anthony gets the calls he deserves to get. That ref treatment sh*t is a pure cop out. Don’t say it if you don’t want people to call it an excuse. That’s exactly what it is.

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    Carmelo shoots more free throws then Dirk (and more then Dirk did ever year of Dirk’s career but……2!), first of all……

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    And he is averaging a CAREER LOW 2.1assists.

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    Don’t let that initial 6 game stretch cloud your judgment.

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    And I have watched more Knicks games then any other team in the league this season.

  • danpowers

    then you wouldnt complain about assist numbers as he is dishing passes to assists in bunches constantly looking for team mates. i didnt hear any statement by him complaining about ref calls but if you watch the games youll see it. i hate it when players complain about not getting calls but in his case i can really feel what he is about this season.

    initial 6 game stretch? im talking about all games this season. he is great on offense, hustles, plays d, does all the little things. james n durant r still better imo. but melo deserves alot of credit this yr for altering his game for the better of the team and it contributes big time to all these knicks Ws

  • http://tinyurl.com/GoingtotheKnicksGame SpeedsterNYC

    Knicks doin’ work this season! Chandler knows what’s up. Wait till STAT and Shump and Camby are all healthy and back. Go Knicks! http://tinyurl.com/GoingtotheKnicksGame

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    YOU ARE ARGUING CARMELO ANTHONY WOULD SHOOT OVER 50% IF THE REFS TREATED HIM DIFFERENTLY!

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    That is a BULLSH*T EXCUSE.

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    You can say he’s passing better, but his usage rating is the highest of his career, his assist % is the lowest (by a big margin), and he’s shooting the 3rd most shots he has ever shot per game. I’m not saying he’s hurting the offense, he certainly isn’t. But he isn’t passing better, or more, that’s just flatly not true. The team is shooting better as a whole, definitely. But it’s not Melo creating opportunities for others. And his defense has been good for Melo. Not for a good defender. He’s still the 3rd worst heavy minute defensive player on his team (statistically, only Ray Felton and Steve Novak are worse).

  • Junior Taylor

    This might be true if Melo’s as good as Dirk was in ’11.

  • http://www.facebook.com/warren.howard.92 Warren Howard

    Melo is doing his thing this year! Never seen him playing Better! right now I would say he’s the third best player in the league behind James and Durant! No excuses he does get wacked alot in the post but he get’s alot of calls too! but he don’t get calls like Lebron, Kobe and Durant real talk!

  • roscoe

    i think you’re right.

    I would add Felton, formerly the doughnut eating chubby kid, is playing at a much higher level and moving like a vegetable eating kid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/warren.howard.92 Warren Howard

    Melo will never shoot 50%, but he don’t have to! Melo is the Knicks leader and all team leaders let it fly! I will take what he’s bringing to the table this year commitment!

  • theDankerNuggets

    I’m really interested to see what happens with this team when STAT is back. If he really does embrace a bench role this team’s depth would be scary good, no one other team’s second unit could match theirs.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    knicks looking strong

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    not all team leaders, but other then that i agree.

  • Max

    !!

  • candlewood jay

    other **than that

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Thanks puddin.

  • bringbackthesonics

    if hes actually willing to come off the bench i think it’ll just make them better

  • danpowers

    thats no excuse. sorry but if ure getting whacked four to five times A GAME without a call on these whacks – no matter how many other calls you get – how are you supposed to shoot over 50%? thats just math and no excuse. sry but you seem to be the only person on this planet watching “alot of knicks games” who disagrees

    yup statistically but numbers dont allways tell the whole story. if youre swatting shots, filling open lanes correctly, giving up your body, hustling, then this is a nice defensive contribution to your team. as i said, i see james and durant still better than him. but come on, it is not that he would be shooting below 50% because he would play kobe ball or go “me myself and i – mode” he is executing the game plan and plays the plays which are designed for him.

    there is not much to criticise on his game this season – so far

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m not criticizing him. I’m just not making things up about him either. And I’m certainly not making excuses for why he’s something he’s never been. As much as you want him to get foul calls it doesn’t matter. You obviously ignore how routinely he does things offensively, specifically with his off arm to create space on layups and to gain leverage in the post. Plus he bully balls his way to the rim, ANY CONTACT HE INITIATES WITH A VERTICAL DEFENDER IS NOT A DEFENSIVE FOUL. You aren’t looking at how he plays subjectively. You didn’t say these things about him when he was shooting the same exact amount of free throws every other year of his career (and don’t bullsh*t that you did, a spade is a spade). So pardon me if I label what you are saying for why he’s not shooting above 50% (something he’s never come close to doing) as a bullsh*t excuse because all the evidence says that’s what it is. ALL OF IT.

  • danpowers

    i am talking about whacks on his shooting arm / wrist. dont give me that shoving off guys with his off arm. mj, griffin, duncan, or superstars getting away with whatever they do to score points lebrons crab dribble anyone? contact with vertical defenders and still getting calls durant and wade anyone?
    almost none of this guys gets all of the calls he could get, but it often seems like he doesnt get the respect from the refs he deserves this year.
    i never posted anything like that any year b4 as i saw him taking alot of stupid shots over long stretches of his first one and a half years as a knick, playing banged up jacking up shots, etc. b4 this season i was actually (positively as a knicks-fan) suprised how often he gets to the stripe.
    he might not be at 50% with more calls but d*mn close. that guy plays great offensively despite his 45fg% so far.
    dont give me that excuse bullsh*t. i just say how i see it. its not myself out there playing. you could blaim me for excusing smth if i played myself and whine about refs. again, i just point out what i see out there.

    n why are you just getting at me for the calls thing? e.g. warren howard also postet that he doesnt get calls like lebron, durant or bryant n thats just how it is. like it or not

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM. You are. I’M just pointing out that if you want him to get more foul calls, he in turn, should be called for more fouls. .
    You people and your superstar superstar calls like LeBron is just waltzing to the line. FYI, Carmelo is shooting a full free throw more then LeBron a game….what are you going to claim, that he gets fouled double more? He should get 12 free throws a game playing on a team shooting 40 threes because he barrels into the key? .
    And I’m talking to you because normally you are logical. But THIS, this isn’t. At all. .
    Melo is playing great. He is probably MVP (or Durant at the moment). There is no need to make up excuses for why he isn’t doing even better. Even if its you saying he’s mistreated and not him, it’s still an excuse. You can call it an observation but that doesn’t change what it actually is, look up the definition of excuse if you are confused. .
    Verb
    Attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify. Noun
    A reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense. .
    The reason it’s a bullsh*t excuse is because it’s coming from rose colored glasses, which is why I brought up Denver. Where he had better seasons then this scoring/FT wise and still didn’t shoot a high %. There is no evidence, other then what you think you see. Which, hate to break it to you, can be wrong. No matter how many games you’ve seen. Especially if its a player in a jersey that you have an emotional attachment too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MaluNewYorker Jerry Alex

    never argue with a Knick fan, it’s pointless. Something I’ve learned over the years.

  • spit hot fiyah

    good call, forgot about peja

  • npman

    If you compare Melo to Dirk that’s highly idiotic! Dirk had the loyalty to stay and win a championship with the only team he had ever played for.

  • danpowers

    lol calm down, i know the difference between an explanation and an excuse and im not afraid to backpadel when i realize that i dropped a stupid statement, but i am actually convinced that i see it enough objectively to keep my statement that he is not getting treated equally to other superstars in the nba. the only thing i might exaggerated a bit was saying hed shoot 50%+ with more calls. still i think hed get closer to 50% by getting some of the superstar calls others get. he still gots alot of free throws BECAUSE he plays a lot of bully ball down low and because most defenders cant stop him other than that.

    you say then more foul calls should be made against him. how many more do you want to see called against him? he averages 3,12 fpg opposed to 1,76 fpg by james or 1,75 fpg by durant. i dont say that he wouldnt deserve all those foul calls he commits but how many more do you wanna see called on him?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t want any more called against him. Or for him. It’s fair. He’s treated just like any other star player. That’s what you aren’t getting. I brought up that he doesn’t get foul calls on him just because of what you are saying, not because it should actually change.

  • zogs19994

    WHY ARE YOU COPYING ME
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    GTFO WANA BE
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    LIL BlTCH

  • manu

    too bad

    dirk when it matters > melo when it matters

    by a mile

  • Ugh

    Generous. Real generous.

  • Ugh

    There’s something strange that the two biggest cities in the US produce teams whose fans feel so self-entitled they make excuses for the underpeformance of their home teams.
    Unless you’re Patrick Ewing, in which case IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT.

  • danpowers

    i see. i also didnt want to say that i think he is being treated different to other nba players. he is being called fair. but guys like james, wade, durant or bryant get an extra treatment which anthony doesnt seem to get for whatever reson. i dont know what makes more sense: demanding that all players get treated equally or that anthony should also get that extra treatment as he used to get it in the past

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    There is no evidence that any of them get more calls then Anthony. That excuse or whatever you want to call it comes from you being a Knicks fan, not from any real observation.

  • danpowers

    im not talking about quantity. whenever these guys get touched while shooting they normally get calls even when it wasnt real contact. this year you see anthony time and time again getting that too much without calls. ive never seen him upset that often b4. when i think he does smth wrong i call it out. dont give me that subjective sh*t id even call it out if i saw it on another team with another player.

    and there actually is evidence. if you have a league pass: all his games, all his shots, all his no-calls are stored there ;)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s just not true. Anthony gets the calls he should. He initiates the vast majority of all contact, you think he should get foul calls when he shouldn’t. And there isn’t a single other player, on a single other team, you have EVER said this about. Of course you think you are being subjective, doesn’t mean you are. Why do you think they don’t let people be a juror in someone they knows court trial? It’s the same thing.

  • danpowers

    you never saw me writing this about any player on any team because i hate it from the bottom of my heart when smbdy blaims any ref for anything and im the first one when i play myself to tell my teammates to stfu when anybody talks to the refs about wrong decisions. what reason should i have as a knicks fan to complain about anything? my team is the first in the east for the time being. sekou smith even put melo second in the mvp race so far (id see him 3rd tho) i also hate it when he complains about no-calls on court. especially in that game in houston. but this yr i can really understand why he gets mad and this trend is somehow continuing. you wont get me to change my mind from judging the situation differently in this case here.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s all fine, just don’t expect anyone to take you seriously saying that. Because whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of everyone else doesn’t.

  • danpowers

    whatever man, history proves that the vast majority of people are barely ever right about anything ;)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    History also proves the vast majority is right more often then the one voice, albeit not always. Melo was treated damn fairly tonight tho. Couple missed calls. Couple ignored ones

  • danpowers

    lol u put it as if i was the only person on earth seeing it that way, come on!
    agree on tonight. some Ts were unnecessary woody needs to teach these guys some discipline. very entertaining game tho

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah I haven’t been disappointed in a Knicks game I’ve watched yet

  • danpowers

    thats a vintage squad, really feels like back in the 90s… just offensively better lol

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