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Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 at 10:25 am  |  99 responses

Amar’e Stoudemire Says He is Learning Defense for the First Time


Perhaps unintentionally, Amar’e Stoudemire took a shot at his former head coach Mike D’Antoni, while praising his current one Mike Woodson. When it comes to defense, Stoudemire says it’s the first time it has become a point of emphasis (which is a comment he has made in the past.) Per Newsday: “Just having a defensive coach for the first time in my career is going to help,’ Stoudemire said. ‘I’ve never been taught defense in my whole career. To now have a coach that actually teaches defense and teaches strategies and knows positioning and posture and how to guard different plays is going to be helpful. I’m going to take it as a challenge, accept the challenge and try to improve as a player.’ Stoudemire, a high school-to-NBA player, was selected in the first round in 2002 by Phoenix and had eight seasons with the Suns and D’Antoni as his head coach before coming to the Knicks. Woodson, who was the Knicks’ defensive assistant under D’Antoni last season before becoming head coach, has changed the way they guard the pick-and-roll this year. Stoudemire is a little behind in where he needs to be defensively and in the terminology, and was out of position several times Tuesday against the Trail Blazers. He was not the only Knick. Woodson harped on defense throughout Wednesday’s practice because the Knicks have had major slippage on that end of the court. They have allowed at least 100 points in eight of their last 12 games. They yielded 100 five times in the first 19. Woodson hinted at switching up the starting lineup Thursday night against San Antonio since the Knicks have opened games flat lately. But Stoudemire won’t be the new addition. Woodson isn’t divulging Stoudemire’s long-term role. For now, at least, Woodson says Stoudemire will come off the bench and play limited minutes. To his credit, Stoudemire continues to say this works for him, especially if the Knicks are winning. ‘Depending on how we’re playing, if we’re playing well, I have no problem coming off the bench,’ Stoudemire said.”

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    By my count, this is the third time he’s said some variation of this.

  • http://twitter.com/KingofKushSmoke PimpMaster of yo Hoe

    Shout out to Mike Antoni

  • bringbackthesonics

    you’d think that he would’ve learned something about defense when training with hakeem

  • shockexchange

    But when the Shock Exchange says skipping college hurt kids’ skill set / basketball IQ, everybody wants to pile on. Amar’e skipped college but can’t play defense … now go run tell that.

  • Fat Lever

    Sorry, but for a supposed star to be saying something like this is utterly ridiculous to me. He’s a grown man, a pro, and he’s essentially saying he’s been waiting for someone to teach him defense?

    Maybe Amar’e should take it upon himself to learn that side of his game. How do you not learn defense as a NBA player?

    That’s like a barista saying they know how to make the latte, but they haven’t learned how to pour it.

    Just another athlete passing the buck and not owning up to their professional responsibilities.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    He said this a few years ago too…

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    LOL, yes. exactly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    Jesus Christ D’Antoni

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    please don’t be gullible enough to believe this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Amar’e also skipped most of high school.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Amar’e also said, “Defense is the key to win championships, that’s something I’m dedicated on also, to become a much, much better defensive player,” Stoudemire said. “It’s going to happen. It’s a matter of preparation and practice and getting that chemistry down on that end of the court.”
    Stoudemire trained with Hakeem Olajuwon for two weeks in Houston.

    “There’s so many moves that I picked up from Hakeem,” he said. “Just developing my post [game] has been phenomenal for me. When I came out of high school, I was thrown the ball and [told] do what you do best. I never got a chance to develop my game as far as [in the] post. Working with Hakeem is gonna be a great advantage for me.”
    .
    Which was this summer. Yet, he is just now learning defense for the first time.
    .
    .
    He’s a liar. He’s making excuses. The same thing YOU bash Kobe Bryant for.

  • Barbosa’s love child

    I see what you did there, and I love it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    You are right. he is just running his mouth. Whether it be because he wants to secretly bash D’Antoni, or give Mike Woodson some credit, or maybe he just wants people not to focus on the fact that he looked awful in his first game..I don’t know. I just think it’s hilarious that D’Antoni coached him for like 6 years and apparently doesn’t know a thing about defense

  • j

    amare is not the calibre that everyone thinks he is or should be. totally over rated, only thrived because nash made him look good.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you don’t get it. Amar’e has worked on defense before. He’s done it under D’Antoni – especially in New York. Where Mike Woodson was the assistant before he took over.
    .
    Either way, in Phoenix, when Terry Porter took over, the team didn’t touch a basketball for their first 2 weeks of training camp. ALL they worked on was defense.
    .
    Amar’e is making excuses, this shouldn’t reflect poorly on ANYONE but Amar’e himself.

  • ctk

    The same pride u have n droppin 30 on a player ..have that same PRIDE n somebody tryin to drop 30 on u …THAT GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH COACHING …its all about givin a F*UCK….period

  • The Philosopher

    Well, at least it seems that he still loves to hear himself speak.

  • ctk

    the pride u have n droppin 30…have the same PRIDE n tryin to stop somebody from droppin 30 on u …THAT GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH COACHIN …ITS ALL ABOUT GIVIN A F*CK

  • shockexchange

    Picking your own facts again nbk? “Horry Jr is the biggest winner of his era.” The Shock Exchange is on record saying that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    are you?

    .

    you’ve said this,

    - “Shock Exchange • 6 months ago−

    Lakers – the most underachieving team in the L – don’t need a homerun deal. With Odom, MWP, Gasol, Bynum and Horry, Jr they had superior talent to win the ‘chip each of the past two years. What they need is to make Horry, Jr pound the ball inside in lieu of his 35 shots/game at a 33% clip. Expecting another Shaq or Gasol to fall into their laps has bred laziness and a sense of entitlement.”

    and this,

    - “I could have called him “Flavor Flav, JR” – the hype man for Shaq, Bynum/Gasol … But that really would have gotten your dander up, huh?”

    .
    whatever, let’s pretend you respect Kobe, and you think the only issue with Amar’e is that he didn’t go to college (AS IF HE COULD HAVE EVEN GOT IN), and that you actually believe the bullsh*t you post on this website.

  • shockexchange

    That’s it! You’ve gotten my dander up! The Shock Exchange totally respects Horry Jr son. You know how hard it is to align yourself with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L” so you can win a chip? That takes talent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s not respect.

  • shockexchange

    Speaking with “forked tongue” again nbk? When the Shock Exchange pointed out Horry Jr’s true skill set – aligning himself with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L” – you tried to catch fade. Months later, you got your dander up when SLAM put Horry Jr in its top 5 – you called the guy overrated, yet you never cited the source of your information. When you call him overrated it’s the gospel?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    show me where i didn’t show supporting evidence of my opinion? when do i ever do that? —- and you are not pointing out any “true skill set” by calling him Horry Jr and saying he’s only had success because he was fortunate enough to play for the Lakers. If you don’t respect the guy, that’s fine. Nobody cares. Acting like you saying these things is a sign of respect is an utter joke.
    .
    you know what? actually, keep calling that respect. I’m going to refer to you as “daddy’s girl” from now on. Out of respect for you taking credit for the things your father does….k? it’s respect. don’t get all mad.

  • The Philosopher

    I’m beginning to wonder if he’s “what’s his name”. (you know who I’m talking about)
    No disrespect meant, shock.

  • shockexchange

    And after the all the back and forth, the Shock Exchange stands corrected. If Amar’e had played for Bobby Knight and refused to follow his defensive principles, he wouldn’t have been pullin’ splinters a mile long out of his rear end. Thanks for clearing that up guy. And when you repeat anything else the Shock Exchange says, remember to cite the source.

  • shockexchange

    None taken. The Shock Exchange has been called far worse than “what’s his name.” But if you look at the past threads on here, you will see who’s really trollin’ whom.

  • The Philosopher

    You have to understand that, nbk is a smart, intelligent individual. You have to come with some good stuff with him.
    If you don’t, well, you know…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    naw, this isn’t him. we know exactly who this is. He’s a 19 year old kid, whose dad wrote a book, according to the website he pointed us too numerous times, he’s also looking for a college basketball team to play for. or maybe he found one? idk, i only looked at the site once.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    tsk tsk tsk, “The Shock Exchange has a saying for an occasions like these: “He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, And he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere.”"

  • The Philosopher

    Ohhhhh…

  • shockexchange
  • The Philosopher

    And, my memory must be leaving me. I remember the post, now that I’ve looked at it, again.

  • The Philosopher

    I remember the post, now.
    Pretty good.
    Again, my apologies.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is trying to say i trolled him on that post……when all i did was address Allen bringing me up, and then Shock Exchange lying to Allen about what he said. Other then that, all of my posts are responses.

  • shockexchange

    No problem my man. “Real” recognize “real.”

  • Seth

    He might be a tad overrated, but he had one of his best seasons the first year in New York.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i honestly would not have anything to say to dude if he said things that followed some path of reason. then on that post, when he started taking credit for some of the most famous quotes in human history, i got (admittedly) pissed off. There is not many things in this world i have more distaste for then taking credit for other people’s work.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ^ this

  • The Philosopher

    I read that exchange, just now. When I first ran into the thread, I did not read the comments.
    I should have, though.
    That was a good exchange between you all. lol

  • crooklyn

    dude is a straight up jackass, so much more off the court junk and noise. Proof that some dudes just care about the money and not the game. Cash checks but can’t study defense…what a clown, show some accountability. I guess the next thing is the fire extinguisher actually attacked him in the hallway

  • The Philosopher

    We must educate our brethren.
    We must make the attempt(s) to educate, and teach each other the ways of the world.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but how do you educate a person who has no desire to improve themselves? i am accountable for the way i treat him. i don’t hold anything back, and i am completely honest with how i feel. if i am wrong about something, i will readily admit it. all i ask for is reason. if someone purposefully ignores it, or makes no attempt to understand it, what choice is there? i should just ignore him. ok. answered my own question.

  • Mackenzie Kerridge

    I like how you refer to yourself in the third person… You must be big where you’re from

  • ChosenOne

    I have yet to see Caboose and Shock go at each other yet… haha, that would be fun..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is a GREAT comment.

  • The Philosopher

    I believe that everyone has the desire to improve themselves. I could be wrong.
    The desire has to be tapped. Discovered. By the educator.
    It’s just that, sometimes, some people already feel themselves as adequate. As is such, they may feel as if there is no room for improvement. Consciously, anyway.
    But if tapped properly, learning and education can occur.
    Reverse psychology is useful in many cases. Have the subject in the right position to learn and improve themselves. Whether they want to acknowledge, or not. They may not even openly acknowledge. But anyone who possesses general self knowledge will internally acknowledge when learning and improvement takes place.
    In many cases, anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I think Caboose gets frustrated enough just reading Shock’s comments.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but look at the saying’s part of that conversation. i mean, if he won’t even acknowledge stuff their, how is the educator supposed to trick him into improving? — i feel like this is an attempt at teaching a Puppy how to not only sit, but to also stand on 2 legs.

  • AQWORD

    what kinda weak a$$ , anorexic B.S. is that Amare.

  • AQWORD

    Nash & Stephon raised him.

  • shockexchange

    How’d you guess?

  • The Philosopher

    We have to explain to the subject(s) about the dishonesty of plagiarizing work. We are tasked to educate in a way to where they will understand, and acknowledge. Whether internally, or externally.
    But I ask you; After that exchange between you two, has the subject continued to plagiarize quotes, that you have seen? If not, then, the subject has internally, and externally took that knowledge from you, in a way. Without tricking them. They may not ever admit it. But since you exposed it, and taught them about it, they have ceased to do it, since. That is important.
    They have improved themselves in that manner.
    Now, if they continue plagiarize work, then, more education is necessary.

  • LakeShow

  • bike

    Listen carefully to what The Philosopher preaches, my man. He will direct thy path, lead you through the valley of delusion, and set your soul on a bed of righteousness.

  • bike

    Amar’e is simply a mere shell of the former player prior to his knee surgery. He never was known to play defense anyway but his offensive play–before knee surgery- overshadowed his defensive limitations.

  • LakeShow

    The LakeShow has recognized this also.
    I’m BIG too where I come from. Don’t believe me? I don’t blame you lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i have seen him do it since, but not much. i won’t be taking credit for that though. i like to believe he’s got people in his real life that talk to him honestly that can take credit for him maturing. because that’s all this is a really a matter of. (again, i like to believe this, true or not)

  • whooo!

    Amare is now in his 10th season, and I question, is this what Blake Griffin looks like in 7years? Or is Blake anchoring championship teams like TD/KG did in their championship years?

  • The Philosopher

    Understood.

  • shockexchange

    There’s only two reasons someone would think the Shock Exchange is claiming “obvious” quotes from Shakespeare, Ric Flair or Oscar Wilde – either he’s delusional or he’s a troll.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    okay great i agree with you…I think it’s funny that D’Antoni get’s the reputation he has. That’s all.

  • The Philosopher

    Interesting point, I would admit.
    Although, I do not see nbk as a troll, or delusional.
    But the point that those quotes are obvious in their origin, I understand that.
    I almost pointed that out, but it would have been a very long comment on my part, so, I edited it.

  • Caboose

    Shock has decent things to say. Sometimes/rarely. But they contradict themselves. And other times, he has NO idea what he’s talking about. Here’s a perfect analogy of a Shock Exchange argument: Harry Potter is for dorks and nerds but I love Lord of the Rings because Peter Jackson went to college.

  • Caboose

    Id love to debate him but you tend to pounce on him first. Usually I let you go after people on your own. You know, since people think we’re the same person.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ahh, and there is the fundamental difference between us.

  • shockexchange

    Not sure what there is to debate about. Someone came on here one day and swore he had data that says it’s better to “learn” the game in the L than in college. Amar’e just admitted that after a decade in the L, no one ever taught him how to play defense, which flies in the face of that “phantom data.” It seems your issue is with Amar’e, not the Shock Exchange.

  • Caboose

    Exactly. If you want my pithy contributions, sure. But usually I get apathetic.

  • shockexchange

    This guy constantly tries to catch fade with the Shock Exchange and when I dismiss him like my little nephew he resorts to getting emotional and throwing a hissy fit. That’s the only point.

  • The Philosopher

    Doesn’t that post have a tinge of… troll in it?
    Comments such as that one can produce a response filled with malice.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he has said that 3 times now. what don’t you get about a person just making up excuses? —- Jamal Crawford went to college, he said he’d never worked on his jumper before this summer.
    .
    See where you complete and utter ignorance lies? Or where you just pick out the ONE example you can think of to defend your idea that has no other back up data or reason to follow.
    .
    And the ONE example you do use, comes from a player who didn’t even attend his Junior year of High School and likely wouldn’t have been able to participate in Division 1 basketball.
    .
    There is no debate. You are trying to create one, because this is your only opportunity to do so.
    .
    Amar’e is making up excuses for things he has definitely been taught because he still lacks the ability to do such things. —- like you, who is currently in college and still don’t posses the ability to comment with reason.
    .
    there you go, now talk about catching fade or something else that proves you are nothing more than a talking head.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i just don’t care if people want my rambling or not. it’s a comment section, i don’t care how i’m perceived, i just like to express my opinion.

  • irondan21

    He will be the same old amare this time next year

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes they are obvious, which is why saying, “the shock exchange has a saying for situations like this” is disingenuous. The shock exchange has no sayings for situations like this, Shakespeare, Ric Flair, Oscar Wilde, etc. do.

  • shockexchange

    Speaking in 3rd person LakeShow? How narcissistic.

  • shockexchange

    Still speaking with forked tongue nbk? One day you’re on here deifying the Shock Exchange as “extremely knowledgeable about basketball” and a “basketball historian.” Now you’re calling him a talking head, but deep down inside you know what it is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, where did i say this? i know i’ve said, i know you know the history of the game, or are familiar with it. but you aren’t a historian. not a reasonable one at least. but it’s clear you have been taught some history on the game. —- never did i say you were “extremely knowledgable about basketball” – or mean to say that if i somehow did – maybe it was someone trolling me over the summer?. —- either way, that doesn’t change that you are a talking head. Skip Bayless knows football, but he’s still a talking head. —– having knowledge, and having the ability/willingness to use that knowledge effectively, are different.

  • shockexchange

    Deny, deny, deny. And you wonder why the Shock Exchange treats you like his bratty lil nephew.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i wonder why you are such a nincompoop. i don’t give a f*ck how you treat anyone.
    .
    and i asked where i said these things, you can’t see that? talking about a forked tongue, why don’t you prove that yours is whole and start providing proof for the stupid sh*t you say. – i will very willingly admit to what i said, if i actually said it. —– but this probably is, much like you promising people free copies of your book, another time your inability to use the english language effectively comes back to haunt you.
    .
    basically, you are shooting 30+ shots a game at a 33% clip.

  • LakeShow

    No, it was a joke mocking you, because we all know only dersh bags speak of themselves from the 3rd person.

  • LakeShow

    Dude, people think me and nbk are the same person sometimes. . .
    People are stupid.

  • The Philosopher

    Maybe shockexchange has quotes that he has… “adopted”.
    That would be more proper, to some, as far as general etiquette is concerned.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he could even say he “knows of a quote for situations like this” i don’t care. the one thing i have an issue with is him taking credit. saying your own name, and then saying something is yours is taking credit. Even when it obviously isn’t. Saying “it’s obvious” as the excuse is a way for a person to avoid accountability.
    .
    sorry Phil, you know how i get, i got to say my POV.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    hes tryna make up lies to get off the bench

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    lol at the barista reference

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    hes def lying

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that is a horrible strategy if you play for Mike Woodson. Who taught you his defense last year. Like Amar’e is blatantly lying it’s not like Mike Woodson would believe that sh*t. Look at the comments from D’Antoni today.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    do you have the link?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • The Philosopher

    Oh, no. No need to be sorry, good brother.
    I respect your point of view.
    Me, myself, I always tell the origin of a quote that I procure onto this site.
    But that’s just me.
    Neither here, nor there.
    But also, I have nothing against plagiarist tendencies. If I catch it, I’ll find it funny, for the most part.

  • The Philosopher

    Once, someone posted an entire thesis up here. I thought it was thought provoking, and insightful… until Bryan Crawford humiliated them by calling them out, and telling everyone who actually was the original author of the piece.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man i wish i was here for that day.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ahh yes, well you were the first exposure i had to being put in my place by a famous quote.
    .i see the humor in it in certain situations but not constantly from a person who spouts off ad nauseam a whole lotta nonsense

  • The Philosopher

    It was a piece by Khalid Salaam. I think.
    It was hilarious, the outcome of that.
    And since then, I have called that person a plagiarist, too, among other things…
    Because, of that thread, alone.

  • The Philosopher

    I exposed YOU to being put in your place?? When was this? I usually remember things like that.
    My memory is shot. smh.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha, years ago fam, when i was reckless. i wish i remember the exact quote, something along the lines of this one, ““In youth we learn; in age we understand.” or something like that.

  • The Philosopher

    Ha! Nice…

  • shockexchange

    It’s pretty obvious that the Shock Exchange’s reference to famous quotes from Shakespeare, Ric Flair, et. al. is meant to be “tongue-in-cheek.” And it’s pretty obvious why of all the people on this site, only one person feigns to have a problem with it.

  • The Philosopher

    Are you sure about that?
    Sometimes, people hold their distaste towards certain things. Sometimes, they say nothing. Hiding what one may actually feel. Sometimes, we let ourselves dig a hole. Not saying that this is the case, but, to make that assumption can leave one vulnerable to intellectual dishonesty.
    Then, when 35 people express their said distaste AFTER the fact concerning a subject, now, one has to do some extra explaining. Either that, or, they must concede to their inadequacy (ies).
    Only if they care, mind you.

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