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Sunday, January 27th, 2013 at 5:45 pm  |  132 responses

Chris Bosh is Certain He’s a Hall of Famer


Of the Miami Heat’s Big Three, Chris Bosh is far and away the least heralded. This doesn’t mean his ego is any smaller than LeBron James or Dwyane Wade’s however. Bosh says there’s no doubt in his mind that he’s headed for the Hall of Fame. Per Fox Sports: “Bosh always has had plenty of confidence. Now, he’s talking about how he will be enshrined in Springfield, Mass. ‘Hell, yeah, of course. I’ve been a Hall of Famer like four years ago,’ Bosh said. ‘And I say that very serious, though. I’ve talked about it before with my friends.’ Bosh has career averages of 19.7 points and 9.0 rebounds. But something happened with the 10-year veteran Thursday that might have clinched his trip to Springfield. Bosh, averaging 17.2 points and 7.2 rebounds, was named to his eighth All-Star Game. The only eligible player in history with eight or more NBA All-Star selections who is not in the Hall is eight-time pick Larry Foust, a center who averaged 13.7 points and 9.8 rebounds from 1950-62. ‘With eight, I’m so thankful for that,’ said Bosh, who was intrigued to hear about the above stat. ‘It never gets old. Just to be able to have that opportunity to be an All-Star, it’s just incredible for me.’”

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  • JML-G

    never quite understood why people in their minds lowered Bosh to Desagana Diop’s status when he signed with Miami.. guess its the Raptors fans who hates on him mostly tho

  • Caboose

    Well, if Reggie made it….

  • Redd

    In other news, Barry Bonds was seen stalking Cooperstown.

  • Max

    Lol at the Desagna Diop line.

  • Max

    This is what we will say every time someone says something about being in the hall lol.

  • Max

    Oh the irony that this post come right after him getting yammed on by Jeff Green.
    But seriously, I do think he’s right.

  • Caboose

    Reggie’s entrance CLEARLY lowers the bar for what qualifies as a Hall of Fame resume.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    REggie has great moments in the greatest Era, it was beyonnd just stats with Reggie.

  • Caboose

    Exactly. An unfounded reputation and word of mouth. Know who else had some awesome moments? Mike Bibby. Robert Horry. Rashard Lewis. However, these guys aren’t going to sniff the Hall because the media doesn’t love them the way they loved Reggie. Why? I don’t know, cause it sure as hell wasn’t his stats, accolades, or talent.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Going by the fact that Bosh has always been pretty down to earth and realistic with any comments he’s made, my guess is that he was asked the question and he was most likely smiling or laughing as he gave his answer. Meaning he didn’t just come out and say that he’s a Hall of Famer. 8 All-Star appearances is no joke. While people make fun of him for whatever reason they want to (all of the Bosh jokes got old only a few minutes after they started), what people can’t take away from him is that he’s a good player capable of a few great moments.

  • z

    Or accomplishments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    whats ur issue with Reggie? u just compared him to robert horry. lol. Reggie has much more accomplishments than those guys. Lead very good pacer teams through the playoffs in the toughest era to play in, and was a KILLER. That is not unfounded at all. Go watch the tape.

  • Lloyd

    Good player, but I can’t see him a hall-of-famer. He was the man on a team that had no other option but him, but now he’s a first tier role player at most. He deserves to have his jersey retired by the Raps since he leads the team in almost every all time statistical category, but that’s it.

  • Lloyd

    Reggie at least broke some records during his career. Not saying that he deserved to be inducted, but let’s not compare his resume to that of Bosh’s.

  • Caboose

    1. No rings. Never made the Finals.
    2. Never made All-NBA First Team. Never made All-NBA Second Team. Only 3 All-NBA Third Team selections in 18 seasons. That means he was the third best at his position for less than 17% of his career.
    3. Career averages of 18-3-3. That’s comparable to Jamal Crawford or Jason Terry.
    4. Under 40% career 3PT shooter. For a guy who’s famous for ONE thing, he’s not great at it.
    5. He was NOT clutch. This is the biggest lie ever pitched to the NBA watching public. http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2011/3/29/reggie-miller-is-not-a-hofer-part-2-the-clutch-myth.html

    Enjoy.

  • Jag

    Did you really compare Mike Bibby, Rashard Lewis, and Robert Horry to Reggie Miller? Are you out of your freaking mind??? How does someone not know how great of a player Reggie Miller was? This is by far the dumbest comment I’ve ever read on SLAM. Don’t write on this site no more. Seriously.

  • Caboose

    Improve your reading comprehension. I said all 3 of those guys had awesome moments. They do. Please, show me where I said Reggie’s career is equivalent to any of them. I’d be FASCINATED to know.

  • Caboose

    Bosh’s career is better than Reggie’s. I’ll say that right now.

  • Max

    Oh man, do you see the irony of your comment?

  • charliewinning

    Truth.

  • Jag

    I stopped reading after this fool said Reggie Miller never made it to the finals LMFAO! This fool doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’m done.

  • z

    He should’ve said he never led his team to the finals. He was an old head who happened to be on a good team in 2000.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Well,,,,,if Chris Mullin made it, I don’t see why not.

  • Caboose

    My apologies, yes, he made the Finals the year he averaged 18-2-3. He has never LED his team to the Finals.

  • Caboose

    How about you make a compelling argument then? If it’s so easy, I’d LOVE to hear it.

  • Do Work

    Show me where Reggie never made it to the NBA finals. Fool.

  • Matt

    So in your mind, a star is a star and everyone else is a role player or below? Just because a player has a role doesn’t mean he’s a ROLE player. Bosh is a star for the Heat. He impacts the game a LOT and he’s become precisely the floor-stretching star bigman that the Heat expected at its onset. From ’05-’09, Bosh had definite HOF numbers. Combine that with the fact that Bosh WILL be remembered in history by current basketball fans and he’s going into the Hall. He may not be a first-ballot pick, but he’s definitely going to get in, esp. w/ that 8th All-Star selection.

  • Matt

    Does that really change the argument? That’s straw-man fallacy at its most evident.

  • Caboose

    As said before, that was my mistake. I forgot the 2000 Finals where they lost 4-2. And as noted, that is straw man fallacy. The odds of you knowing what that means is probably lower than Reggie’s shooting percentages.

  • Lloyd

    Why? because he was the third option on a championship team? Reggie led his team six times to the ECF and once to the finals. He gave the NBA some of it’s most entertaining and memorable moments. Ask anyone in 10 years what moments Bibby and Rashard Lewis provided and they won’t be able to tell you. Reggie’s will always be remembered.

  • Do Work

    or perhaps lower than your knowledge of basketball history? shooting 39.5 percent from three during a career that was based on shooting a lot of 3′s is not bad at all. he is 2nd all time now in 3′s made and to do it at that clip is impressive. unless you don’t know basketball.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I wouldn’t be surprised…his legacy would definitely have been stronger if he wasn’t playing out his prime behind LeBron and Wade

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    all that is fine and dandy. But u forget my point that he did it in the toughest Era to play in. Do you know who his competition was at the Sg spot? There were lots of real good Sg’s in the 90′s. Its not liek today where its a pretty watered down position. His career stats arent MIND boggling, but he deserves his spot. And to say Reggie wasnt a great shooter is ridiculous imo. But i guess this whole point is objective

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    are you going actually argue against him or just continue looking like an idiot?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    his last season in Toronto he averaged 24-11 shooting 52% in case anyone was wondering

  • Lloyd

    um…if you’re not a star, you’re a role player. on the Heat, Bron and Wade are the stars. Bosh is a role player. His role is take uncontested mid-range jumpers created by Bron or Wade’s penetration, just like Battier and Ray except they shoot 3s. 05-09 he was the only option on a mediocre team. He only led them to the playoffs twice and both times had first round exits. Don’t think that qualifies as a superstar player. He’s very good. But he shouldn’t be considered.

  • Redd

    Caboose you’re awesome..but you forget Miller is a legendary 3 point shooter. HoF is for Legends, which he clearly is. He dominated his position with regards to his 3 point shooting. He’s a shooting guard..so yes he deserved HoF.

    Bosh in no way has dominated his position, 1 that is very competitive & hard to dominate. Is Bosh’s career better? In terms of winning a ring & carrying a team yes. In terms of success at a position to the degree of top tier? You can argue for it but definitely not 1 of the greatest.

  • The Seed

    He is not, He needs to leave Miami and prove he can win as the lead dog or second option. The funny thing, if Heat do not have him, they do not win it all. But he decicded to lose his legacy to promotes Bron, just like Wade has done. Wade is kicking himself, because he knows his career is not what it could have been. They both asked for it and got it. Wade even stated that he would let Bron take the lead on the team. Now Wade crying and Bosh thinks he is a HOFamer. These dudes gave up their careers for another man. Plain and simple. If you want to be honest about it. Wade had a chance to elevate his career high, now he is just another good SG like Drexler.

  • z

    List them. So far you’re arguing pure opinion with nothing concrete to support it.

  • z

    People confuse those who shoot a lot with being great shooters.

  • z

    Dominated his position when? Jordan dominated Reggie’s position. Kobe tookover after Jordan. Not to mention AI, who was playing Sg for the end of Reggie’s career. Vince at the time was heating up as well.

  • charliewinning

    That’s the problem with Kobe fans. They think as selfishly as Kobe does. Legacy before team. Legacy before winning. Bosh and Wade sacrificed to win a chip. I wouldn’t expect an uber-fan of a man who refused to play along side the most dominant center of his era in order to win more titles, to understand what sacrificing means.

  • Redd

    At 3 pt. shooting, learn to read please.

  • z

    I read better than you. I read so much better that I know that 39.5% isn’t dominating anything. I wouldn’t be so quick to insult if I were you. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about.

  • Redd

    2nd best 3 point shooter.

    So again, learn to read & then learn to shut up.

  • Caboose

    Why not Peja Stojakovic then? Dude has hit a lot of 3′s, made them at a higher clip than Reggie, went deep into the Playoffs multiple times without winning, has similar career stats, and made the All NBA 2nd Team.

    Here’s a challenge for ANY supporters of Reggie. Explain to me then, why Gilbert Arenas, Peja Stojakovic, Stephon Marbury, Sam Cassell, Michael Redd, Baron Davis, Richard Hamilton, Tim Hardaway, and Mitch Richmond do NOT deserve to be in the Hall of Fame but Reggie Miller does. Good luck with that.

  • Caboose

    Ah, I didn’t realize entertainment value was so important. Let’s get Robert Sacre and Brian Scalabrine in, posthaste!

  • pposse

    i would never object to robert horry being inducted into the hall of fame

  • Caboose

    Well see dominating his position would indicate getting a couple All NBA team nods. Granted, 1st is likely out cause of Jordan, but he only got 3 All NBA Team selections, and they were all 3rd team. Not to mention 5 All Star appearances out of 18 seasons. Is that dominating his position? No. What is “dominating” is getting selected to the All Star Team for 80% of your career. That implies that you outshine 95% of all other players at your position for the vast majority of your career. Granted, All Star isn’t everything. But look at Bosh’s stats. His best year was 24-11-2 on 52% FG and 36% 3PT. Compared to Reggie’s best year of 25-4-3 on 51% FG and 41% 3PT. Granted, yes they are close. But I haven’t even started on defense.

  • Matt

    lol alright
    I don’t think this argument is going to go anywhere if that’s what you think.

  • pposse

    there is some validity to Seeds point…if you look elsewhere to like tony parker and manu ginobli, both of them sacrificed money, and their legacy to be main parts to a well oiled spurs machine. But neither are considered HOF worthy players for the most part.

  • z

    Redd, don’t start. I may not comment here often but I read comments nearly every day. You are the Kelly Bundy of Slam, so don’t start with your childish tantrums. You have a bad habit of getting upset when ppl easily dismiss your arguments, and ppl clown u all the time.

    Show me where in your comment that I replied to that you claimed he was the 2nd best 3pt shooter. YOU NEVER EVEN MADE THAT POINT, which is dependent on how you measure it. Volume of shots affects how many 3pt shots made, but percentage reflects accuracy of shots.

  • Caboose

    No no no no no. Just because he has made the 2nd most 3 pointers does NOT mean he is the 2nd best 3 point shooter. That means Mark Jackson was a better passer than Magic, Buck Williams was a better rebounder than Charles Barkley and Tim Duncan, REGGIE MILLER WAS A BETTER SCORER THAN ALLEN IVERSON, and Jason Kidd was a better 3PT shooter than Steve Nash. Good logic right?

  • z

    According to read you should learn to read the invisible sentence where he specified 3pt shooting, in which case he’d still be wrong.

  • Lloyd

    I didn’t mean entertaining like circus acts. I’m saying he gave us incredible basketball. Legendary moments. His incredible game 5 in 2000 to send the Pacers to the finals, “the push off” on Jordan, knocking down 8 points in as many seconds. Some of the most entertaining and timeless basketball moments in the history of the NBA. What has Bosh done? And you got to forget all this regular season stats. He played 18 years. Obviously his averages are going to be brought down by his later seasons. Compare Bosh’s playoff stats to Reggie’s and see who really was the man when it counted.

  • Redd

    If you know basketball then you know he’s considered the 2nd best 3 point shooter.

    Also I don’t dismiss arguments against my points. But when you tell me I said something I clearly didn’t then I have no reason to listen.

    “He dominated his position with regards to his 3 point shooting”. Tantrum? Me telling you to shut up cause you don’t bother to read? LOL ok enjoy your pathetic arguing over not having a point.

  • Redd

    & Ray Allen made 2nd team once & 3rd team once as well.

    Yes Bosh has had a great career. I’m not denying it, stat wise as a whole better than Reggie? Yes. But again, I think he was inducted for his 3 pt. shooting. You can do what ifs but in the end he still did what he did.

    If Ray Allen hadn’t won a chip & Reggie would’ve gotten a few more All stars & no HoF would you then see Ray as a future HoFer.

  • Caboose

    That explains why Reggie has so many rings. Let’s go through this:

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    1994: Reggie explodes in 4th Quarter of Game 5 vs Knicks, take 3-2 lead. Pacers lose next 2 as Reggie shoots 39%, and averages 1.5 rebounds, 2.0 assists, and 2.5 turnovers.
    -
    1995: Year of Reggie’s 8 points in 8 seconds. In the next series vs the Magic, Reggie tanks in Game 7, going for 12 points on 13 shots with 0 assists. Magic win, advance to Finals.
    -
    1998: Conference Finals vs Jordan’s Bulls. Game 6, Pacers win, but Reggie scores 8 points on 2-13 shooting with 0 assists. Game 7, Pacers lose despite being up starting the 4th quarter, but Jordan torches Reggie, as the Bulls advance to the Finals.
    -
    1999: #1 Pacers lose to #8 Knicks in 6 games. Reggie goes for 8 points on 3-18 shooting in decisive Game 6.
    -
    2000: Best Playoffs for Reggie. However, he shoots only 45% and opens Game 1 of the Finals with a 1-16 performance.
    -
    2002: Some of Reggie’s most incredible moments in a first round series against the Nets. The Pacers lost both that game, and the series.
    -
    2004: 10 ppg on 40% shooting.

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    All other years, the Pacers either DIDN’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS or lost in the first round. Clutch my a$$.

  • Caboose

    …That is funny dude. Read what you wrote. “You can do what ifs but in the end he still did what he did.” That sounds like you’re discounting what-if scenarios. Then IN THE NEXT SENTENCE, you begin a what-if scenario. Can you spot that cognitive dissonance?

  • z

    Omg, I literally only responded to what you said, which was wrong and not based on any factual proof. You told me to learn how to read as if there was something I missed. Then you responded with a different argument that was not in your original argument. What’s pathetic is your best back up to your arguments are name calling. You have no real support. I’ve probably been watching basketball for as long as you’ve been alive, so I think I know a little more about Miller’s career than you.

  • z

    *Redd

  • wdw

    robert horry is the greatest player in NBA playoff history

    if he doesn’t make the HOF then no one should

  • Caboose

    Wow. Ya know that scene in Dodgeball where the stupid guy suggests they pay for the gym with Canadian dollars to save themselves some money? I’m having deja vu.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I don’t know if I agree with this but it’s a really valid point. I have to give it more thought because I can see it from both sides.

  • Caboose

    You actually think Reggie dominated his position more than Bosh dominated his? Where’s the logic behind that?

  • davidR

    legend and reputation. career longevity (to be able to still play at a somewhat high level in later years). never really missed games due to injury unlike the majority of those guys you mentioned.

    all of those guys except sam, tim, and mitch fell off quickly as they aged. for reggie it’s mostly legend and reputation. as lloyd mentioned, reggie has given the nba some of its most memorable moments. these type of things elevate your legend. when you think of those guys you mentioned, what’s the one defining moment that sums up their career?

    also, for having played 18 seasons, the majority during a stacked era, career averages of 18 ppg on 47% fg (39.5% 3pts, 88% ft) is really good for a guy that mostly guns from deep.

    i’m not tryna attack you or anything, just trying to keep the wheel turning

  • Lloyd

    The fact remains Reggie got his team to those points and winning or losing fell on his shoulders. Bosh, when he was “the man” on his team, only made it to the playoffs twice, both first round exits which we’re apparently not counting anyway. If we were, Reggie’s teams made it to the playoffs 15 out of his 18 years in the NBA. And his failure to win a ring doesn’t quell any of those incredibly historic moments in NBA history. If you’re only counting rings, I guess you can say Bosh has been better since he piggy backed his way as a THIRD option in Miami to a chip, but other than that, Reggie has had a way more colourful career. To say Bosh should be in the HoF is one thing, but to say he deserves it or has a more impactful career than Reggie is absurd.

  • Caboose

    And I respect that you argued reasonably. But I’m sure you see that MOST of that argument has to rely on the “legend” bit, which I know you know I’m not a fan of. I haven’t really probed into his hard stats yet, which I will if needed, but honestly, 18 ppg for a career is NOTHING to write home about, especially when that’s all you do. I explained above how the clutch thing is a myth. It has been the media and the NBA that has BUILT Reggie’s career and legacy; it has had much less to do with his actual play than with what ESPN likes to show. Surely you, and most people here, can agree to that. Granted, some people think that’s a perfectly legitimate reason to be in the Hall. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree, for reasons that are likely obvious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Its not just Raptors fans. A lot of people pick on Bosh for whatever reason, or omit him as a star, etc. Not sure why either…

  • Caboose

    I’d also like to put for consideration the fact that Reggie only led the league in 3 pointers made TWICE in his whole 18 year career. You’d think someone so awesome at 3′s would make the most year after year. But…..nope.

  • Caboose

    Careful with the “I’m older, I’ve watched more basketball, I know more” argument. That’s a slippery slope and can be used easily against you if you ever argue for someone from the Wilt/Russell era. Granted, you’re right in this case, but I always hate that argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Who was the leader on the 2000 Pacers? Or was it more of a team effort a la 2004 Pistons? I think they still had Rik Smiths, Jalen, Mark Jackson, etc in 2000.

  • Ben E.

    He should make it on the sole fact that hes the first dinosaur to play in the NBA lol

  • Caboose

    It was DEFINITELY a team effort. Jalen was probably the best in the playoffs with Reggie close behind. Smits and Mark really didn’t add much, but they were there.

  • Caboose

    Wanna actually give me evidence than just saying he has “historic moments”? I base Hall selection not on opinion, but on what actually happened, and as you’ve said, the “legendary” stuff is entertaining moments that are remembered. Cool. I remember that he came up short in decisive games pretty often. I have an array of stats, and facts at my disposal, you have memories. Granted, if you think it’s memories that dictate a HOF selection, then we have nothing to argue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    fair enough.

    Michael Jordan obviously locked up one of the all nba spots, then you had guys liek Clyde Drexler,, Joe Dumars, Latrell Sprewell, Mitch Richmond, Drazen Petrovic,Iverson and Kobe (later in the 90s) and u also had guys like Steve Smith, and such. Its also to be noted that each spot on the first, second, and third teams werent selected in a way where there HAD to be ONE pg and ONE sg, on each team, so Reggie was battling against some of the best Point guards of that generation for his all nba selections too, you had guys like John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Jason Kidd, Eddie Jones, and Ray Allen (also a SG) and probably a handful of others im forgetting to mention. Yeah its a matter of opinion, hence im stating mine, but the guard positions were STACKED in the 90s….

  • Caboose

    Tony Parker is HOF without question. No Finals MVP has ever been denied HOF entrance. As for Manu, dude has an NBA Championship ring, a Euroleague Championship ring, and an Olympic Gold medal. He’s getting into the HOF too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    they are both headed to the hall, lol.

  • z

    Nope. It’s true. Anyone can youtube highlights and google stats. Actually watching and remembering gives more credibility to an argument.

    You know what I hate? People arguing about the Russell/Wilt era in a type of matter-of-fact way when they know damn well all they’ve see is highlight footage. That irks me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    yep. and its debatable that Manu shuda won the finals MVP award in 2005. Apparently voting was really close, as Stern mentioned when announcing Tim won. Manu DOMINATED.

  • Caboose

    Then I suppose I lack credibility. I was born in ’92, but I don’t think that deprives me of making a good argument. I agree on the Wilt thing, if people ever use SUBJECTIVES in that argument, you know they’re full of sh!t.

  • Caboose

    Ehhhh, I don’t think it’s debatable. 19-6-4 from Manu vs 21-14-2 from Duncan. Keep in mind that Timmy SHUT DOWN Sheed. Sheed averaged 11 and 6 that series.

  • Redd

    wow you’re mind boggling in not realizing a simple thing. “He dominated his position with regards to his 3 point shooting”. <—read this carefully old man please. I never argued other than saying he was great in his 3pt as a SG. YOU responded by thinking I said he was a dominate SG in totality which I did NOT say in any way. Again 3pt shooting.

    Please read carefully a few times because you're really being ignorant(sorry if that's name calling to you lol).

    Lastly, any NBA fan knows that when I say he dominated in 3 pt. shooting it's referring to him being the 2nd best 3 pt. shooter amongst many people. Now talk to yourself, great job in arguing about something I didn't say.

  • davidR

    no worries man, reggie getting in is a hard subject to touch. and yea, i definitely acknowledge it’s mostly due to his legend and reputation. i wonder if his work as a commentator also helped boost his likeness to get into the hall?

    some things worth nothing:
    - 18 ppg isn’t special, but i think it’s important to note that he did it pretty efficiently for a guy that mostly shot from the perimeter during a tough era
    - his pacers went to the playoffs 15 out of 18 years he played there

    - he’s steadily improving as a commentator

  • Redd

    I’m simply pointing out that the only reason Reggie is being strippied of HOF legitimacy is Ray’s chip. UNLESS you believe Ray doesn’t deserve it which then in that case pure 3 pt. shooters should never be in the hof.

    You can argue against Reggie but in the end he accomplished something legendary. He had legendary moments(8 pts in 8.9 secs). Also remember in his era, Defense was a lot less easier to play.

  • Lloyd

    Well the three moments I mentioned above did actually happen and aren’t opinion…also they’re a part of the NBA.com 60 greatest playoff moments as decided by a panel of experts which included Marv Albert, Clyde Drexler, and Bill Russell. I’m pretty sure they have some credibility to rank the best among the best.

    And he’s the one who pushed his team to those decisive moments. He came up short yea, but doesn’t make his efforts and accomplishment any less great. And yes, those MOMENTS were some of the most clutch in NBA history.

    HoF selections have a lot of criteria. I think the biggest thing to consider is impact to the game. His legacy is being a successful 3-point shooter and those clutch moments he gave basketball fans everywhere. Reggie’s career and the moments he provided built NBA legend to what it is today. You definitely can’t say the same for Bosh.

    You have no array of stats to prove that Bosh deserves a HoF nod over Reggie. You have stats to back up your opinion that Reggie was overrated sure, but nothing you’ve said proves that Bosh is more deserving of the honour than Reggie which is the main issue here.

  • Caboose

    Acknowledged, but to me that’s not enough. Granted, I was born right at a time where I wouldn’t be able to appreciate the “legendary stuff” he did so I have no prior reputation to cloud or enhance my judgment. That makes me argue from a stat/fact/accolade perspective only, which most people who have an emotional attachment to his legacy is not ok. I appreciate your perspective.

  • Caboose

    If you wanna go Bosh vs Reggie, yeah, that’s DEFINITELY a hard argument for me, and one that should be had in….8 years when Bosh is out of the league. As for now, Reggie probably has had the better career SO FAR. I’ll concede that. But Bosh still has more gas left in the tank.
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    As far as the other thing, as long as you acknowledge that if looked purely at his stats, outside of “moments” and other stuff like that, Reggie has no place near the HOF. Fair?

  • pposse

    in my perspective i too agree that they are HOFamers..but i thought that that the voters go more on the actual numbers. As far as numbers go, Ginobli for sure could have been a 22 5 and 4 guy with a starting spot.

    I can’t be sure but i dontt think that the microwave is in the HOF but im pretty sure he was finals mvp on one of those bad boy piston teams (vinny johnson).

    im guessing that both ginobli and parker make it in, but get in based on some sort of gimmick like ‘best frenchmen’ or ‘best argentinian’ – the gold medal really helps ginobli’s case

  • Caboose

    Nah, old Vinnie never got Finals MVP. Also means good ol Chauncey is getting in too.

  • pposse

    nvm microwave wasnt the finals mvp ever!

  • davidR

    it’s important to note his efficiency, because before he hit 30, he shot over 50% from the field for a season 4 times as the teams main offensive threat. ~20ppg a game isn’t special, but he only took 13 shots a game. this was also during the handchecking era when it was harder to create space. he definitely could’ve scored more points if he was more selfish, but he just didn’t shoot more. kinda sounds opposite for a guy that’s supposed to be a cold blooded killer, doesn’t it? had he taken more shots, maybe his efficiency goes down a bit, or maybe he maintains it and scores more. who knows. still tho, a perimeter player shooting 50% is definitely an accomplishment.

    guys like peja, mitch, tim, never shot 50% for an entire season, and never had close to the amount of success reggie did as leaders of their teams. reggie unfortunately ran into stacked ny, chi, orl, or laker teams every time they had a serious chance at winning the chip.

    i don’t want it to seem like i’m defending this guy, because really i don’t necessarily feel like he deserves to be a HOFer, but i’m also not against it. i guess i’m just trying to give you some perspective into what made him a decorated player

  • Lloyd

    You made it Bosh vs. Reggie when you said your initial comment of “If Reggie made it…”. And if Bosh remains with Miami as a far off 3rd option behind Lebron and Wade, there won’t be an argument to be had.

    Stats/fact wise, Reggie sits #2 all time on 3 point field goals made at a 40% clip, widely considered one of the greatest 3 point shooters of all time (a bunch of those shots were HUGE shots too) That alone merits his HoF induction. Also he’s an Olympic and FIBA gold medalist on a team he co-captained, and made it to the playoffs 83% of his career, 6 times to the Eastern Conference Finals and once to the Finals. His regular season scoring stats weren’t monstrous, but he sits 14th all time in career points. That speaks to his relevant longevity consistency over his 18 year career. Don’t know if you grew up watching him, but anyone who had can attest to all of it.

    Those are his stats. That’s his legacy. You can say all his short-comings all you want, but he accomplished all of the above. Was he the greatest player ever? Absolutely not. But he defintely belongs in the HoF.

  • Caboose

    If you think that’s a HOF resume, all the best to you.

  • pposse

    i just dont see the actual voters putting in Ginobli without some sort of bias whether its him being an international player or rewarding a respectable spurs organization. 15 4 and 4 on %45 shooting?

    He does have the hardware, but so does Horry (7 chips!) As a voter, i dont see how you can so easily put in Ginobili on a first ballot and not even think of Horry without being hypocritical.

  • Lloyd

    I do and so do both the screening and voting committees of the BHoF. Sounds like you think the only things that credit a HoF resume is above average regular season stats and how many championship teams you’ve been on. There’s more to it than that. Look up the process.

  • Caboose

    Logical fallacy: Proof by verbosity. But I’ll just let it go. Clearly we have differing philosophies.

  • Dagger

    Well, he did average at or near (within .5 PPG) 20 PPG for nine straight seasons. He JUST missed the 50/40/90 club for 10 or so seasons, which is a remarkable accomplishment. His PER was over 20 for 6 seasons, and his winshares were over 200 for 2 seasons. He shot over 40% from the 3 in 10 seasons; Ray Allen, by contrast, did the same for only 8 seasons. Oh yeah, and obviously he was the league-leader in three pointers made until Allen took that spot recently.

    He WAS incredibly clutch; looking beyond great memories or gut feeling, here’s a brief article with some actual statistics: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/49707/reggie-miller-was-most-clutch-sharpshoote

    I’m not touching the All-NBA or all-star team selections; you know how subjective those can be. Much more important: there have been few players in NBA history who ever increased their scoring in the playoffs like Reggie Miller (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millere01.html). Oh yeah, and the Pacers had a winning record in every year of Miller’s career except one (96/97, when the team was 4 games below .500).

    With all that in mind, given his iconic status in the 90s Reggie is pretty clearly a hall of famer. Is he one of the best 20, 30, or 40 players in league history? No, but he deserves to be enshrined.

  • Lloyd

    Me telling you to look it up is proof by verbosity? Don’t think so.

    “A Nomination Packet consists of a completed nomination form procured
    from the BHOF, and news clippings, magazine articles or other
    informative, factual data about the candidate”. This doesn’t include just stats, they take into account the moments and legendary individual performances that you’re quick to right off.

    Then, with the whole package taken into consideration, they go through a screening process through different committees and then a final vote by the BHoF board. There’s no differing philsophies here, just the fact of a thorough voting process against your opionion and personal bias against a well deserved player.

    here’s the link if you want to look it up yourself:

    http://www.hoophall.com/enshrinement-process/

  • davidR

    reggie shot a career 47%, and 39.5% from 3pt. he’s had a 50%+ fg% for 4 out of his 18 seasons. that’s a sign he’s a good shooter

  • MasterSplinter

    Ginobli also led his team to a gold medal in the 2004 olympics, and won MVP. He is the best player to ever come out of his country and has 3 championships.2 Italian league mvp’s, and 3 NBA championships.

  • i_ball

    Manu really killed them in the clutch.

  • i_ball

    If they don’t win it again, it would be debatable.

    Bosh is on the same level as T-mac. When he was leading his team they didn’t make it out of the first round and he was putting great numbers.

  • MasterSplinter

    Reggie Miller was celebrated as being the best of his craft of all time, he was a special player. As far as i’m concerned, Chris Bosh is and will always be a poor mans Kevin Garnett. He will never be a 1st team all NBA player, he got 2nd team once. Chris Bosh has always been pretty much the 4th best PF in the league every year in his career. What has he done to deserve to be in the Hall? There will be many Chris Bosh’s over time, not a whole lot of Reggie Millers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    dude this where “watching” basketball comes in handy stats can often tell one hell of a story. But, however actually watching someone play the game, it lets you see what empirical data cant. Attitude, swagger, poise or the lack thereof in the midst of adversity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    McHale is in the Hall you could argure that Bird gave him the bulk of his success by playing off him.

  • speedy

    You argue a lot for a guy, that didn’t even see Reggies whole career.

    Stop judging someone, that everybody of his era feared as a fierce competitor, deadly streak shooter and guy that could turn hot any given night and kill your team.

    I never liked him,I hated him, he was an absolute douchebag on the court, but to disrespect his acomplishements and compare him to a guy like Bosh, Bibby or who else you named is just stupid.

    Chris Bosh needs to do a lot before being compared to Reggie.
    And if you are questioning his legacy because of his lack of All-Star nominations or All-NBA-Team selections you should remember, that he wasn’t an athletic player or high flyer nor was he really liked by many coaches outside of Indiana. His stats could keep up with any other SG of the time not named Jordan or Drexler and he had his great moments in the playoffs as a motivational team leader and deadly shooter.

  • clydesays

    He’s been playing like an All Star the past couple of years. but personally that doesn’t seem like you get your ticket punched to the H0F. Then again, given that the 3rd & 4th option on the Lakers & Celtics championship teams are in the HoF? Sure.

  • speedy

    And you actually think, that a guy, that is the third scoring option on a team and as PF not even the best rebounder of his team is dominating his position more than Reggie did without seeing Reggie play in his prime.

  • shutup

    Easily, that core three has dominated the NBA regular season, never missed the playoffs and always were a high seed going into them(the playoffs) and then the international angle seals it for them.

  • i_ball

    He has more rings than MJ:)

  • danpowers

    honest question (not a rhetoriccal one): do you think billups will make the HOF? i think he would deserve it but i kind of doubt that they will let him in

  • danpowers

    well, hitler was also very certain the third reich would last a thousand years…

  • Caboose

    I think that Finals MVP guarantees he gets in. No one else from that Pistons team is getting in though.

  • RKJ92

    I actually like Bosh :)

  • Omar

    He’s not in yet….but he will be. It’s kinda obvious.

  • danpowers

    thats a pitty. hard workers like ben wallace should be considered too. what he did during the successful pistons of the 2000s was outstanding

  • Rhys

    People forget that it’s the basketball hof, not nba, Mully’s college career is considered one of the greatest, he still went on to have a great long nba career including a decent stint as GM.

  • The Philosopher

    He gave up his legacy for The King?
    A testament to The King’s power to persuade, perhaps?
    I mean, who doesn’t listen to The King?
    When he speaks, time stops.

  • The Philosopher

    Vin Baker Jr…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    No i don’t by any means think he dominated his position, but you have to consider how he dominated 3 pt shooting. Obviously it is not the same, but it is something to consider.

  • z

    Redd, you cannot change an argument to suit your point as you go along. When you state something, and someone refutes it, you CANNOT GO BACK AND TRY TO CHANGE what it is you originally wrote. You are like talking to a brick wall. The comment is posted above, genius. You’re telling the whole damn Slam readership that you didn’t write what you did? You are insane. Six people agreed with me. Now good job yet again proving why people think you’re dense.

  • z

    I didn’t say you lack credibility, but don’t you think remembering something you saw occur at the time gives you more credibility?

  • z

    Another “good” SG with two championship rings and a Finals MVP under his belt. gtfoh

  • vtrobot

    I hear you on all of the above, but (until recently) Reggie did hold a pretty important NBA record. I think that alone is going to sway a lot of people voting him in. “Best 3-point shooter” ever. Yeah, maybe not %-wise, but people are going to care less about the person with the best-ever 3PT %, vs. the guy who’s made the most 3′s.

  • Redd

    I didn’t change anything old man.

    I specifically added the 3 pt part. Your stupidity is hilarious & next time I won’t even read what you replied. It’s sad how dumb you’re being, ignoring & arguing that I did not say something I did say.

  • z

    Exactly. You ADDED the 3pt remark AFTER I addressed your comment. How does that make anyone stupid but you who refuses to admit you initially misspoke? Grow up. I addressed what you wrote, you got sensitive, went back and changed it. Don’t try to act like your comment is in its original form. The only thing sad is that you have to ride Caboose’s coattails because he’s the only one here who respects your opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    Ginobili was an all star type player, and in his prime was unstopable in the playoffs, the WHOLE game, not JUST clutch situations, like Robert Horry, on route to his 7 chips…thats no comparison to me…

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    precisely. You cant have watched the Spurs for the past decade and put Manu and Robert Horry in the same sentence.

  • MasterShredder

    U did edit the original comment he responded to, which is indeed changing. Let it go man. I was lol when I reading this last night, so i see why homie is getting at u lmaooo.

  • Redd

    That’s adorable..except I didn’t edit anything..wth? Haha

  • djiron

    Well I hope he goes somewhere and prove it…..and get away from his daddy LB

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