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Friday, February 22nd, 2013 at 9:10 am  |  125 responses

Derrick Rose Distances Himself from Brother’s Criticism of the Bulls


by Marcel Mutoni / @ marcel_mutoni

As Derrick Rose continues to work his way back from knee surgery, his brother Reggie is steaming mad at the Chicago Bulls for not putting enough pieces around their superstar to contend for an NBA championship.

According to Derrick’s older sibling, the Bulls (who didn’t make a move at the trade deadline) are counting on their point guard to return this season purely for financial reasons.

Per ESPN:

“What have you pieced together? Have you made any moves? Have you made any trades to get better? You know all roads to the championship lead through Miami,” Reggie Rose said. “What pieces have you put together for the physical playoffs? Joakim Noah is a great player. Luol Deng is a great player. But you need more than that. You have to put together pieces to your main piece. The players can only do so much. It’s up to the organization to make them better.”

“It’s frustrating to see my brother play his heart and soul out for the team and them not put anything around him,” Reggie Rose said. [...] “Everyone is expecting Derrick to come back,” Reggie Rose said. “If Derrick comes back, they’re going to sell more tickets. Is the reason for Derrick to come back to win a championship or make money? Right now, I don’t believe a championship. Everything in the NBA is financial.”

Everyone in Chicago is understandably frustrated. There’s no telling when Derrick Rose will return, and even if he comes back this season and is healthy, the Bulls don’t appear to be legitimate title contenders. Reggie Rose’s comments will only add fuel to the fire.

Derrick Rose quickly and wisely released a statement through the Bulls in an attempt to diffuse the situation: “I have always felt that the Bulls organization’s goals have been the same as mine and that is to bring another championship to this city.”

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  • Anthony Dixon

    they should make a run at eric gordon or danny granger in the summer

  • burnt_chicken

    c’mon Reggie: “Players and coaches alone don’t win championships. ORGANIZATIONS win championships”

  • chumpy

    Woah you need to tell your bro to shut up. That ain’t helping anyone. And he pretty much called out Boozer. Not that everyone else isn’t saying it, but that could cause tensions between the two.

  • spit hot fiyah

    granger is much more of a 3 than a 2, and the same goes for deng, so i don’t Think that is happening. Gordon would be a great fit, but is also making max Money, which makes almost impossible for the bulls to get him unless they want to pay a gang of luxury tax. oj Mayo is a free agent though, but will probably be overpaid by someone else

  • JM

    The problem is Regie, that you don’t win championships with a shot dominant point guard who is also your number one scoring option. It’s never happened (and don’t say zeke because he was pass first unless he needed to take over). Derrick takes way to many shots, especially on poor shooting nights where he fails to go into distributor mode.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Derrick takes those shots because he has to. Who else can get their own shot on that squad? No one. He’s smart enough to know that if he doesn’t shoot 20 plus times, they can’t win consistently. His team knows it. His coaches know it. Not his fault. The main thing that should be taken from Reggie’s comments is that Derrick needs help. Which is true. No one can deny it if they have any good sense. If you knew Derrick’s history as a player, you know that he wasn’t a shot dominant PG until he got into the NBA. Only averaged 14 a game in college. Calipari had to make him be more aggressive in the championship game against Kansas.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Not giving Derrick a two guard who can handle the ball and make plays ain’t helping anyone either.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The point of all of this is that the Bulls won’t be beating Miami until Derrick has someone who can create for himself and for the team. When LeBron guards Derrick, it’s tough for him to score especially in the 4th quarter when he’s spent 3 quarters creating everything by himself. Whenever Derrick returns, he’s going to be put in the same position he was in before he got hurt. It’s too much for one man especially when LeBron and Wade play for the same team and that’s the team the Bulls have to go through. These Bulls remind me of LeBron’s Cavs. It’s all good in the regular season. But they end up meeting a team in the playoffs that has more weapons and it becomes 1 on 5.

  • king

    your comment makes the most sense so far :)

  • Anthony Dixon

    or Drose can just get better

  • Fat Lever

    Bulls need a legit shooter at the 2 who’s not washed up. One superstar with the right players around them can win a title(Dallas in ’11). The Bulls are a top defensive team that needs a legit shooter at the 2 who’s not washed up. It would be great to get another star, but I’m not sure they need it. JR Smith comes to mind, or even JJ Redick. They would stretch the floor and make teams pay for collapsing on D Rose. Just my $.02.

  • JM

    Ironic, the guy who he robbed of the MVP he ‘won’ shuts him down so easily. Thibs was the main reason for the bulls huge improvement that year. Rose’s MVP is on the same level as Malone’s in ’97

  • ThaWindy

    The youngest to EVER do it!

  • pposse

    excerpt from Lebron over all star weekend on D Rose and his return “he’s one of the best players this game has ever seen,” -

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    How stupid are you, really? He won it outright. He carried the offense of a 62 win team almost by himself. He improved from 20 ppg the season before to 25 ppg and added almost 8 assists a game. He actually could have been the Most Improved Player also. Who deserved it that year to you if not Rose? The best player in the league doesn’t always get the award. Rose deserved it. Prove me wrong. Before the season, the Bulls were predicted to be 4th in the East at best. They finished 1st and swept the Heat during that regular season. Great record against the other great/good teams in the league. Plenty of 4th quarter comebacks engineered by Derrick. Ray Allen and Doc Rivers both agreed that he deserved it. So who are you now? More knowledgeable than the guys who played and coached against him? What more could he have done?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    I heard him say that too. Surprised me.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Or the organization can give him a 2nd legit star on the perimeter. Rose is getting better already. Gotten better each season. He’ll continue to do so.

  • pposse

    not a lot of people remember, but when when the Decision aired on national Lebron spent a good minute praising D Rose and how Chicago was a legit/possible destination for him. Game recognize game, why can’t most of these SLAM commenters do the same??!

  • pposse

    although Reggie’s comments were not necessary and ill timed at best, people should have an understanding where he is coming from. Reggie too was a pretty good bball player who had the opportunity to play in college, then tore his acl and was never the same. He doesnt want D Rose to come in and shoulder the offense on a knee thats not %110. He shouldn’t have said what he said and isolate Boozer like that, its messed up, and undermine Deng and Noah a little too. Everyone is well aware of that we need a SG or another scorer on offense, nothing he said is new.

  • roscoe

    drose is no joke.

  • FLIGHT 9

    Reggie is 10000 % right…. I love the bUlls…. But they ain’t going anywhere and it HURTS real bad…. At least show some great trade or signings….. Sign Arenas, Iverson perhaps just show you want to win Paxson!!!!!!!

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Rose and LeBron would have been more unstoppable than Wade and LeBron in the long run. Imagine having to defend those two. Nightmare.

  • roscoe

    Reggie = great point. Get drose some help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the love of global warming.

    CHI tried to get dwade, but he turned his back on CHI.

    who is going to say boozer does not deserve criticism. dis yr booz = playing better but he’s been woeful -> UTH.

  • roscoe

    arenas? AI?

    arenas = rip.

    AI needs the ball as much as drose.

    your GM ideas stink.

  • Anthony Dixon

    true but they don’t need it…. The mavs won with one star so why not the Bulls. they’re capable of playing the same type of defense

  • #13

    OJ mayo

  • LakeShow

    LeBron’s got a dog in that fight though.
    IF D-Rose is “one of the greatest this game has seen”, then James nearly shut down one of the greatest players in a East finals series. It looks good for LeBron’s career to have Rose up there as one of the GOATS.

  • Redd

    The issue is, that he threw Rose’s teammates under the bus. Also it’s pretty idiotic to compare a team with 3 other all stars to the Cavs.

    But, it’s pretty obvious in this day & age we’re in need of a 2nd star. If this team was around before the big 3 age it’d be a top tier team.

    Also..didn’t Lebron get stopped by the Spurs? Didn’t Michael get stopped by the Pistons? You make no sense in that regard.

  • Redd

    Except now Lebron is even better than ever.

  • Redd

    They don’t need a 2 guard, they just need a legit star caliber or elite roleplayer that can handle the ball & create his own shot. It doesn’t HAVE to be a 2 guard. A tall 2 who can play multiple positions helps.

    That’s where I feel imo that Jimmy Butler is that guy.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    he can’t do it alone. there has to be a 1, 2 punch.

  • Anthony Dixon

    Rose Boozer and Deng

  • Anthony Dixon

    aspiring champions do no think like that..

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    i can see deny chipping in… boozer always gets outted by bosh

  • Dutch Rich

    There is no guarantee for what you just stated. Considering the characteristics of the injury, the physical advantages he had… and his wel documented dietary numbskullery.

  • #13

    Boozer is only good for screaming after somebody makes a good play

  • Dutch Rich

    oh $hit, now you’re telling us torn acl’s run in the family…

  • pposse
  • Dutch Rich

    I think it can be agreed upon that certain decisions the Bulls have made this past yr have been questionable. Like trading Asik after they said they wouldn’t, releasing Bogans yet not deciding to tank the season. They have too much pride for that off course. But all in all, standing at 5th in the East is nothing to be ashamed of, your starting Center was an All-Star and your coach could easily be considered for COY…again. In addition, no one has made mid-season moves. They prolly caught Reggie when he had a migraine or something.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    lol exactly. the expensive version of robert sacre

  • Madubbs

    aint no one got time for smiley faces son!

  • Dutch Rich

    thx

  • pposse

    i like conspiracy theories too, but Lebron hyping up his competition to help leave behind a better legacy??! Naw, lol you must be blown!

  • LakeShow

    lol, you must not watch ball. This happens all the time.

  • Redd

    Think like what? Don’t think Lebron is better now than before?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    are you for real?
    -they didn’t trade Asik, he was signed by the Rockets as a restricted free agent
    -I know Bogans was an integral part of their EC Finals…oh wait he wasn’t. What are you talking about? They got rid of the worst starter on their team, and ended up being in 1st place and had a chance at a title (unfortunately Rose got injured)
    -please don’t spew the bullsht of tanking a season, HOW would they tank? Because last time I checked they had 2 all stars and a former all star in Deng, Boozer and Noah. Should they just trade all of them errrr maybe tell them all to sit the whole season so they can get a good draft pick errrr….
    -also you can’t just blatantly tank seasons in the NBA….it’s a business….how the eff are they going to make money if they are putting a horrible product on the floor….
    -do you have absolutely no idea how the world works or does that just the NBA?

  • Slick Ric

    Mavericks had three guys who could consistently create their own shot in Dirk(of course), Terry and JJ Barera….Right now the Bulls Have Rose and possibly nate but we all know Nate can be hit or miss. In the year they went to the ECF, he was the only one who could create off the dribble. The bulls get their baskets mostly off of cutting and ball movement and thats good but right now they dont have any guys who are truly considered a threat from three besides cook so that may not be hard to defend in the playoffs.

  • z

    Rose is their primary offensive option. It’s not an issue of a team’s lack of superstar, but rather having a player besides Rose who can create his own offense so that when a Lebron-type of defender shuts Rose down, the entire team’s offense doesn’t disappear. We’re talking basic basketball here.

  • z

    How’s that been working so far?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    I understand you’re a Bulls fan but let’s compare LeBron James, Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison to Rose, Deng and Noah. Noah only got on the All-Star team because of the Bulls record. An argument could be made that Lopez deserved to be on the team in Noah’s spot instead of replacing Rondo. He’s a star defender, that’s it. Mo and Antawn both made the All-Star team too in their careers. They did nothing in the playoffs. The gap in talent between Rose and the next guy is about the same as it was between LeBron and the next guy. Deng can score but not on the level that Derrick needs. He can’t get his own shot. Boozer plays soft. Noah can’t really score. Why are you bringing up LeBron’s 07 Cavs and Michael Jordan against the Pistons? When did I mention either? I said nothing about Jordan at all.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The only mistake they made was waiting all summer in 2011 and signing Rip Hamilton instead of trying to get a guy like Jamal Crawford or JR Smith early in the free agency period. Just a guy who can handle the ball and create offense.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    He’d fit in perfectly on offense.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    That’s 1 superstar and two players who have underachieved in the postseason. Doesn’t mean all that much. Brad Miller made the All-Star team too in his career.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    I’m sure Rose would love to have Jason Terry, JJ Barea and Shawn Marion on that squad. Just Jason Terry would be enough for them to give Miami trouble.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Have you not been paying attention to his progress? His legs are strong. All that’s left is he has to get over the mental hurdle and get to the point where he can dunk on the run again. He’s eating a lot better than he used to. It’s well-documented. Him at 90% is still more explosive than every other PG not named Russell Westbrook.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    I watched him say it. It was sincere. Everything he said about Rose and coming back from his injury was genuine. He repeated himself a few times.

  • CJ

    what a stupid comment. Like LeBron shut D-Rose down by himself. SMH. People overexaggerate LBJs defense to ridiculous levels. Rose can score on LBJ, like he can against anyone. But When he’s being guarded by LBJ, Haslem, Chalmers and sometimes Wade AT THE SAME TIME, it becomes difficult. ANY player would struggle in those situations, LBJ would know from his time with the Cavs. Typical ignorant Heat comment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/josh.deino Josh Deino

    @jm are you serious? Derrick rose gets shut down easily??? That’s be the fucking day

  • The Seed

    He is right and D. Rose needs help. Bron traded himself to a team to get help.

  • Dutch Rich

    Ok so they let Asik walk but they said they wouldn’t. He was a beast for them. Super young, great hands, huge and continues to improve. My next stop is Atlantic Barclays Center, about to see that ex-worst starter do work for my Nets. We’re very happy with the scrappiness and shot making he gives night in and night out. Asik will be there as well, so will your previous back up PG, who was on most nights tremendous for the Bulls.
    Fact is many thought this would be a lost season for them but they went ahead and signed some guards that could provide offense to cover for Rose’s absence. I’m not saying they should have tanked but they could have and nobody would have blamed except Bulls fans off course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    HOW WOULD THEY HAVE TANKED??? that doesn’t make any sense? just trade away Boozer, Noah and Deng? I don’t understand…

    -They couldn’t keep Asik. They honestly just couldn’t. They would be devoting 15 million in 2014 to a backup center??? seriously??
    -I can’t believe I’m hearing someone defend Bogans this much. What does he play 15 mins a game? Who cares?? He is soooo expendable. He was trash for the Bulls, only able to make wide open shots. and he shot like 40% from the field.
    -they replaced Bogans with Rip, a good move but obviously Rip has been injured. He’s been playing decent so far this year though. Rip can actually create his own shot, unlike Bogans

  • danpowers

    that team handed him the mvp as a gift and there aint too many teams in the leage that would have such a good record without their go to guy. stfu chubby rose brother

  • Noah

    I understand what Reggie’s saying but at the same time were so right against the cap that we couldn’t have paid an elite player and to trade away valuable pieces for a rental at the trade deadline is not smart business. The bulls are thinking long term not short term which is the right way. After next year when Dengs contract is up and boozers is about to expire we also get nikola mirotic from over seas. Rose will be 25 still in his prime and well have enough cap room to go after another superstar. The bulls have a plan don’t think their being cheap or stupid they’re not lookin to win one championship now, their looking to have another dynasty just be patient.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    at least he produced some decent double doubles lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    I remember Rose as a rookie getting teased for passing out of and 1 plays instead of going for the shot to take advantage of the foul. Lol From day one he has had the instincts of a true PG. They say if you build it, they will come. Well, if you put them ( right players) there he will pass, Lord willing they will make the shots.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Someone handed Rose the MVP as a gift? I know that’s not what you’re saying. He earned the award. Period. He deserved it. The Bulls are doing alright without him…in the regular season. We saw how they would be without him in the playoffs last season and they will be even worse this time around if he doesn’t come back. Also, without that “chubby Rose brother” Rose wouldn’t be in the NBA. His mother and his brothers protected him from being another statistic growing up in that rough area in Chicago.

  • ChicagoR

    As a long time fan and supporter of the bulls, I am a little disheartened by Reggies statements because I dont think for a minute he came up with this all by himself. Meaning, at some point it was spoken of, most likely with Derrick. Further “distancing” from these statements will be needed by Derrick to convince me that Derrick isn’t the prima donna he is coming across as in the last few weeks. As a long time season ticket holder, I dont appreciate “wanna bes” like Reggie (taking a page from Sir Charles Barkleys rant last night on Reggie) claiming they are able to control the face of the franchise bc they aren’t happy. Yes, the game has evolved to loading up with powerhouses on each time. But that fact remains, MJ never needed a group of all stars to win his championships (our team has plenty of solid depth now). I used to think Derrick didn’t either….now I’m not so sure.

  • ginebra

    just sign somebody just to show they are serious for a run… just show some transactions!!!!

  • danpowers

    he is a great nba player but no mvp calliber. he isnt even the best player on his position and come on, that team is well coached, has a great team defense and playes above average without him. their record would obviously be even closer to their last years if they didnt give asik and brewer away. kudos to any players fam who helped their kids growing up the right way but this doesnt mean they understand sh*t about the game. without rose being the next nbas and medias darling there wouldnt have been that mvp award. there were guys more valuable to their teams. once again: rose is a great guy and player, its not his fault that he is being hyped

  • danpowers

    maybe because we saw how rose looked against bron in the conference finals? lol

  • danpowers

    thats more about the decisive moments of the conference finals back then. rose went one on one without james… and didnt look too good doing so

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron didn’t trade himself. He was a free agent.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What did they do in the playoffs last season without him? Teams show who they really are in the playoffs. They weren’t much with him out. He won the award because he averaged 25 and 8 on the best regular season team in the league when they were picked to finish 4th in the East. They beat all of the other great teams with Rose leading the way. Swept Miami. Many 4th quarter comebacks led by him. So you have to be the best at your position to be the MVP? You sound ridiculous. If that were the case, Durant would be out of the discussion this year because he’s not the best small forward. And the MVP choices each year would only include the best players at their position. Rose dominated almost every PG matchup he had in his MVP season. Where were you when all of this was happening? The Bulls defense is well coached, but their offense is centered around ball movement and D-Rose doing what he does. You say that like Rose is nowhere near being the best PG in the league lol. At worst, he’s 2nd best. CP3 is the best, but Rose is the most dominant. Stronger than Deron Williams, faster than CP3, more under control than Westbrook, much better scorer than Rondo. He deserved the award. You can’t prove that he didn’t. LeBron deserved it because he’s the best player, right? It doesn’t work that way. If you paid attention to the league and how these things work, you’d know. He isn’t being hyped. In fact, many people thought Beasley should have been chosen with that 1st pick, not Rose. 36 points in Boston in his first playoff game. There’s no hype there. He’s put in work. Earned everything he’s gotten. The main reason people are interested in him is because he’s a top 10 player. There are a lot of nice guys in the league who can’t play. So that’s not the reason the media loves him. It’s because he’s a great player.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Fatigue played a part more than anything. Those shots he took at the end of games were short because he didn’t have his legs. That’s what happens when you’ve had to do everything for your team for 36 minutes before the 4th quarter. Miami knew that it was Rose or nothing for Chicago. So they put LeBron on him to make it tough for him.

  • danpowers

    sorry but your pg comparisons stink. bball iq nowhere near chris paul. that guy is untouchable since his second or third year in the nba. healthy the best pg in the nba by far as he finally proves to anybody this yr.

    all true what u said tho in these comparisons but u can also make a point how much better others are in different aspects of their game. westbrooks d is better and hes more durable. rondo n dwilliams got way better court vision. rondos defense is also much better.

    which nba team except miami would go anywhere in the post season without their main offensive guy? especially when he is running the point? come on! you think these bulls wouldve been any worse if you exchanged rose with westbrook, parker, d williams, back then nash, now irving/curry, leave alone by far the best pg in the L= cp3? hell no! that team would be still great and a 60 wins per year squad, deep playoff run included. that was more a mix of thibs coach of the year award that season and some kind of collective dpoy award for the whole bulls team.

    i know that the best player doesnt necessarily win the award. but giving it to him that year wasnt ok. that bulls team is a contender with a healthy rose back on court. they
    wouldve even been a legit contender 2 years ago if rose wouldve been
    capable of better decision making. against the heat he showed what he
    was really made of: incredibly talented hard working player with just a
    lack of maturity. that aint his fault, he was a kid back then. cant ask
    that from a 23 year old. thats all ok. but to me just not worthy of an
    mvp. i had bron, howard and durant over him in the tighter circle of mvp
    worthy players. rose wasnt even the best on his position. you dont need
    to be the best player to get the mvp but in my opinion you should at
    least be the best one on your position the year you win that award.

    and last thing to say to get back to topic: even rose himself distances himself from his bros statement. so what is that discussion about?

  • danpowers

    a smart point guard also knows that and sets a teammate up instead. but rose also went hero ball way too often against the heat. yes boozer and deng had offensive letdowns during this series but how are you going to get your teammates out of that if you refuse to pass them the pill, especially as a POINT GUARD who just won the mvp?`my a*s…

  • me

    Jus give up now hoss. Bulls fans are even dumber than you laker fans

  • me

    Preach, bro. All u can do is show them the light, tho you’ll probably be attacked by em for it (most truth tellers are)

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    He did what his coach asked him to do. Deng, Boozer and the rest of the team relied on Rose. He didn’t take it upon himself to just shoot or play “hero ball” as you call it. That’s not in his nature. You should do some research on him and how he played in high school and college. You obviously have something against him. Maybe because he destroys the Knicks whenever he plays them. Or maybe because the Knicks best player is the very definition of hero ball.

  • roscoe

    that’s exactly how franchises become bad for a decade.

    sometimes the best move is no move and clearing cap space.

    drose needs to be patient, but his brother is right, the CHI mgmt needs to get to work.

  • KevinJohsnonFan

    Wasn’t okay to give him the award when he earned it? How stupid would it have looked to not give it to a guy who averaged 25 and 8 on a 62 win team that no one thought would win that many games? Rose’s decision making isn’t the problem. Not having teammates who can create for themselves and others is the problem. His decisions come from what Thibs wants him to do. Howard’s Magic had a worse record than the Bulls. LeBron and Wade didn’t know how to play together at the beginning of the season, couldn’t close games in the 4th quarter all season and Rose’s Bulls beat them all 3 times they played. The Thunder had a worse record than the Bulls. You make no sense. Get over whatever it is you have against Rose. He deserved the award. Period. You’re out of your mind if you think that Rose didn’t play the biggest part in that regular season. Either you’re out of your mind or you didn’t watch them play. Maybe you just watch Knicks games. Would explain a lot.

  • Uncle Spew

    Ok, so what enticing trade pieces did CHI have to give up. Almost every comment is about how bad the players around DRose are, so what or who should they trade to get that second superstar?

  • Redd

    Excuse my mad late reply, I had a loss in the family.

    But it makes no sense, Antawn was never an All-Star when Mo was as well so it’s not exactly like this year where we have 2 guys averaging almost double doubles. We’ve had in the past guys averaging or almost averaging double doubles & the best bench in the league. Our role player’s stats compared to those of the Cavs of old win out.

    It’s just post Big 3 Era you need a 2nd star.

  • Feez_22

    umm… I think it’s safe to say that deng+noah>>>mo+antawn. Especially considering that cavs antawn was over the hill (15.8ppg 7.7rpg) . If you want to bring up all star games, realize that mo williams not only made an asg because of lebron influence but he made it after TWO injuries. When jameer injured his shoulder, ray allen made it. it took chris bosh getting injured right after + heavy lebron pressure on the nba to get mo in. Jamison in 09-10 wasn’t nearly the all star or player he was in 07-08.

    I’ll tell you the main reason as to why mo and jamison aren’t even close to being on deng and noah’s levels… When lebron left the cavs, what exactly did mo and antawn lead? look at the cavs record… With them as the core, the cavs were freaking horrible. Now, look at the bulls without rose… Noah-Deng headline a playoff team right now. before the bulls got rose, they won 33 games one yr with noah-deng as the focal (also with ben gordon/kirk hinrich) in 07-08. The 2010-2011 cavs won 19 games with mo williams playing 69 games and antawn jamison playing 56 games… Noah-Deng>>>>mo-jamison as complimentary teammates. Easily.

  • pposse

    this is what d rose looked like when bron wasn’t guarding him..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqPn_LUcpwE

    looks fine to me!

    Again, Lebron himself said that Rose was one of the greatest players this game has ever seen, why you refute what great ballers who know the game better than me and you is beyond comprehensible

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The main point is the gap between Rose and the next best player is as huge as the gap between LeBron and the next best player during his two MVP seasons in Cleveland. Teammates didn’t show up when needed in the playoffs. Same with those Cavs teams and Rose’s Bulls team against the Heat in the Conference Finals.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Can you rely on Noah or Boozer to score consistently in the playoffs when Rose needs help? That’s the main question. LeBron couldn’t rely on Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. Derrick has no one who he knows will show up in tough situations and help him score. I’m not even sure he needs a 2nd star really. He needs a guy who can just handle the ball and make plays. With the way the Bulls play defense, they don’t need to score a lot. Just more than they do now especially against the Heat. The only team that can really score a lot of points on them is Miami because they have the Big 3. Derrick also needs Boozer to do what he’s been doing this regular season. What he was signed to do two years ago.
    Sorry for your loss.

  • danpowers

    was talking about the decisive positions of the series and you saw them too.

    again, i never said rose was a bad player. he is damn good. just no mvp (yet) to me. ive seen enough proof

  • danpowers

    man, even russel westbrook had a better per rating and assist ratio than rose that year. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2011 as i said, lebron, howard and durant all wouldve deserved that over rose. take rose off the bulls n they might not be a contender anymore. but take howard of the magic and they wouldve been a lottery team if we take impact on their respective teams record over individual performance.

    the bulls had an outstanding record in the weak east but the magic’s, heat’s and thunder’s record were good enough to hand mvp honours to their players.

    keep my team out of here man, no punches below the belt plz and i watch enough other games to know what im talking about.
    no need to get mad anyway as i never said rose was a bad player. he was just not the mvp by that time compared to some other guys, at least the 3 i mentioned.

  • Feez_22

    sorry for your loss? kind of don’t get that since i’m not a cavs fan lol. + you are right about not counting on noah-boozer in the playoffs. Guess what… lebron couldn’t count on jamison-mo either. Derrick definitely needs a 2nd star to take the pressure off. If not, elite teams can just key in on him and boom…. bulls become a rose or bust show.

  • danpowers

    i absolutely have nothing against him man! no matter what play the coach calls, no matter what the strategy: if you launch off balance and got at least two defendes on you while your teammate is wide open right next to you, then you have to pass instead of taking challenged shots. i also never said rose was an ego-shooter, that would be nonsense. but this decision making was quite poor when it mattered the most that year. this was absolutely ok as rose was still very young and which is normally one of the reasons why very young guys dont get mvp awards. he was handed that award slightly b4 his time and i hope that he gets back on track after that devastating injury.
    wtf you got with my team? everybody knows that the knicks went back to suck a*s big time, what does that have to do with rose? uhm… “whenever”? sure the bulls are a better squad than the knicks but i remember two hero-ball threes by anthony in the garden which didnt make it a season sweep last year – which also makes the bulls record against the knicks during the last two years better without him than with him in the lineup. nothing to be proud of as a knick fanatic tho lol

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You haven’t watched him play enough. That must be it. You didn’t watch enough of him in the 2010-2011 season. How can a top 10 player not be MVP caliber? Makes no sense. He was handed the award because he deserved it. Players and coaches agreed. What makes you more informed than they are? You haven’t seen enough because you didn’t watch him enough.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    That comment was to Redd, not you. You just made my point. I said that Rose couldn’t count on those guys just like LeBron couldn’t count on his guys. Which is why I said Rose’s Bulls remind me of LeBron’s Cavs.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Westbrook had Durant…come on, man. This is really easy. How in the world did Howard deserve it when his team finished 4th in the East? LeBron lost to Rose every time they played during that regular season. You have no case here other than you think Rose was too young. Which isn’t really a good argument at all. Basically you’re saying Rose didn’t deserve it because you don’t think he did. Regardless of his stats, his 4th quarter led comebacks and the 62 wins. You obviously don’t watch enough games because you have no idea what you’re talking about. You didn’t watch the 2010-2011 Bulls play. There’s no way, not with the ignorance you’re showing right now. You don’t the MVP when your team is 4th in the East and 2nd in the division. There’s no age requirement on MVP awards dude. He deserved it. They gave it to him. Get over it.

  • danpowers

    come on, we all know that there is often more than just performance when it comes to handing out awards and media needs are concerned, too

  • danpowers

    ive seen 11 bulls regular season games and the series against miami that year which left the big impression. sure, by then the award was handed out already and playoffs have nothing to do with that as my landsman took the finals mvp that year anyway.
    i dont see much of a problem with the magic, werend allen iversons sixers just slightly over 50 wins the year he won the mvp? howards impact on his team was incredible, as i said: take him off that squad and they are a lottery team. take rose off the bulls and they still have a good season coz their whole concept is just great.
    westbrook had durant and this automatically makes it easy? durant would be the first one to tell you how important that guy is for the thunder’s success and how much durant himself profits by westbrook. its also logically the other way round as basketball is a team sport and not even a michael jordan would win a chip without the right team around him.

    its not that im sitting here crying over that award year 2010/11 night and day, desperately asking the world “why why why” ;)
    i will just never get the whining of the bulls fans about the teams they had during the last 3 seasons (this one included).

    the staff in chicago is great, especially thibs. its a well rounded squad, the palyers fit perfectly around rose and their chemistry is great. seen enough of their games to see that and am especially impressed this year. it takes alot to motivate as a team so constantly when you dont even know if your main guy comes back this year or not. what are bulls fans mad at? look at a talent loaded team like the knicks or lakers. high quality names wont guarantee you many wins. the front office over there know their business and bulls fans should appreciate that more. with rose at full strenght this team would be a legit contender suprisingly even with the loss of brewer and asik.

  • Redd

    But see thing being that Boozer is that 1 piece who is solely supposedly an offensively player but when the big games arrive he’s gone. He’s not reliable. We need an offensive star, he doesn’t have to be a star in totality(i.e. Jamal Crawford) but that’s what we need & don’t have yet.

    Deng & Noah handle the D & do it well. Personally I do & have for a while felt Jimmy Butler is the guy the Bulls need to help with offense. As far as D goes, we’re more good yet more worse than we were last year. The emergence of Jimmy has been a plus but Marco, Rip, Nate are not able to be counted on on D consistently.

    Thanks man, means a lot, appreciate it.

  • Redd

    But again, Noah & Deng are better than those 2. We went to Game 5 Conf final the 1 year we were healthy.

    We have yet to be able to play healthy again so I don’t think you’re right & even if you are neither me nor you can definitely make a point I think.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You’ve found every kind of way to make it seem like he didn’t deserve the award. None of them make any sense. At all. Age has nothing to do with it. More than anything, the man averaged 25 and 8 on a 62 win team. No one else deserved the award more than he did. You have yet to make a case for any other player.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Iverson’s Sixers were 1st place in the East that year just as Rose’s Bulls were lol. They finished 1st, not 4th like Howard’s Magic. Common sense should tell you that Durant makes things easier on Westbrook. It helps when your teammate is the best and highest scorer in the league. Bulls fans don’t whine about the team they have. They point out, with justification, that Rose needs at least 1 more guy who can make plays in order for them to get past Miami. That’s not whining. It’s truth. When giving out MVP awards, the voters don’t deal in the hypothetical. There are no “What if this guy wasn’t on the team?” They deal with facts. The fact is that Rose’s Bulls had the best record in the East and in the league. Rose went from 20 and 6 a game in 09-10 to 25 and 8 a game in 10-11.

  • danpowers

    advanced stats say a little more. he had the ball in his hands most of the time in the bulls offense and 8 players had a better per that season of whom 3 deserved it more as i said – durant, howard, james. just because it doesnt make sense to you doesnt mean it doesnt make sense at all. he is a good player but dont underestimate how good his team let him look, too.

  • danpowers

    not easily and not all the time. but yes, when it mattered the most he shut him down.

  • danpowers

    in an easter conference weaker than the one we have today. the 52 wins and howards impact on their wins were legit reasons to hand him the tropy too his per and win shares were also higher than rose’s. id rather make a case for durant who also emerged to become a mvp worthy player. change thunder n bulls conferences that year and youd get the same standings if not a better thunder record in a weaker eastern conference, you know that.

    hypothetic questions are indeed important, otherwise teammates wouldnt play a role in the selection and we would prolly have a system in that the best player would win the trophy each year.

    sorry man, we could do that all night long, your point of view doesnt convince me, as mine wont convince you. lets just leave it

  • dude

    On damn near any team with a true superstar, the gap will be huge between the star amd the next best player. The fact remains that Lebron did what Rose is doing with a lot less.

  • tru

    That’s because the Rose/Bulls fans are trying to make this kid out to be more than what he is, which was already an amazing player. No, he can’t just be amazing. He has to be comparable to Lebron, the best defensive pg in the league, as well as the best athlete and decision maker. Anything you say that is short of all those things, and you are the problem. Same with kobe fans. I never see Durant fans go nuts over valid criticism of him, and lets face it Durant, not Rose, is the leagues best and most important young star.

  • z

    According to whom? You? Because according to Derrick Rose, Lebron’s size and speed bothered him. But we’ll take your word over Rose, even though he himself credited Lebron with playing lock down defense. I really like DRose, but reading the comments on this site from his fans can be annoying. Lebron shut him down. Rose admitted it. He isn’t the first or the last to carry the load for his team. Lebron had been doing it for years before Rose even entered the league, so give credit where credit is due, to lebron’s defense.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    His team let him look good by not being able to score on their own without him? Right, because that makes a lot of sense. MVP awards don’t go to guys on teams that are 4th in the Conference.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    1st seeds are 1st seeds regardless of how strong or weak the conference is. You’re crazy if you think that the award should have gone to Howard on a 4th seed team because of your little PER stat. I can Google that too. That’s all you have to stand on. Meanwhile, others actually watched the games. Not just 11 games as you say you watched. Hypothetical questions are important…to you. Because that way, you can convince yourself that Rose didn’t deserve it, when he actually did. Which is why he won it. LeBron James, a man who has 3 MVP awards, who’s played against him quite a bit and knows a thing or two about the game, says he’s one of the greatest to ever do it while you watch 11 games and say that his PER wasn’t good enough, he was too young and he’s not MVP caliber yet. Hilarious that you think you’re in a position to say that it “wasn’t okay” that Rose won the award.

  • danpowers

    “my” little per. no comment on win shares. if it makes you happy: it was ok. wouldve just been better in my oppinion if they gave it to one of the three i mentioned.

  • danpowers

    uhm… again: see the bulls record anytime rose went out. dont give me their playoffs without him. its not probable that they wouldve ended the same with him but we dont know, so that would be hypothetical stuff as you didnt like it in my statement earlier. k, then leave aside howard n take durant. much better player and also successful by that time.

    by letting him look good i mean that their team defense is great and that he could be worse off with sidekicks like deng, noah and boozer. thats more talent bron had in cleveland back then.

    going back to a players efficiency. rose per ranking 9th in the league is the lowest with nash’s in more than ten years (didnt check way back but wouldnt be suprised if it would make it the last 20 or more years) for an mvp award winner. per isnt everything but its useful to see how well a player actually uses his talent on court. i also wasnt that much of a fan of giving nash that award even though he ran his team absolutely incredibly great. but defense is a very important part of the game, too and nash couldnt guard sh*t. rose’s d is way better than nash’s but he could really play a little better on that end, too or at least improve a little b4 earning mvp honors. but again, our convo went way too long already, its late over here n were getting nowhere anyway.

  • Happy

    I wouldn’t say he robbed him, but let’s all be honest here. Lebron was the most hated athlete in the U.S at the time. Let’s not sit here and pretend like that didn’t give Rose a lil boost in MVP votes.

    It’s easy to defend Rose’s MVP, but people act like Bron Hate had no role whatsoever.

  • Anthony Dixon

    true Barera was hott that year… But bellelli is underated to me

  • Dutch Rich

    Here, I’m quoting what seemed to be universal pre-season sentiment.

    The Chicago Bulls looked like they’d be a broken-down, 45-win team withoutDerrick Rose and after shipping out the majority of their “bench mob.”

    Certain preseason predictions—like the Bulls plummeting to mediocrity—just seemed set in stone. Now midway through the season, it’s invigorating, and humbling, to be proven wrong.

    Tom Thibodeau has spearheaded a defensive revolution in Chicago, and despite the odds, the Bulls are once again a threatening presence in the Eastern Conference.

    So in my conclusion I think that while Reggie may look at this through a different lens, the average Bulls fan should be very pleased with what has transpired this season. And while they’re on pace to do only slightly better than predicted percentage wise, it still has them at #5 in the East. Which also speaks volumes about the Eastern conference btw.

  • pposse

    if i had a vote in the MVP i would automatically disqualify Lebron from the MVP conversation in 2011 based on the fact that the prior two years he won the MVP his team record was 60 plus games. He goes to a team with Wade and Bosh and they only won 58 games, and lost many games in the deciding moments. It has (my vote) has nothing to do with hate; on the flip side, here comes another superstar driving his team to 60 plus victories in basically the same way that Lebron was doing it the previous 2 years. D Rose was a clear cut front runner for the award imo bc he earned it the same basic way Lebron earned his the previous 2 years.

    it might not be fair/logical way to look at it, but Lebron set those standards for himself. He didn’t live up to his own expectations that year in the regular season while another superstar came thru big time.

  • Happy

    That’s you, but you weren’t a voting member of the media that spent a year crucifying Lebron, and blowing that whole situation out of proportion.

    I’m not saying that Rose didn’t deserve it, but the backlash definitely hurt Lebron’s chances. No one who is rational can deny that.

  • sroy

    The Bulls won’t consistently win until they get a DRose to grow another 3 inches or so. SHot of that, he’s an awesome guard, but the likes of LBJ, Bosh and any number of the leagues big men will shut him down. Jordan was pretty skinny when he started, but developed mass and strength to complement his skills. Over time, DRose will only lose speed and agility that hasn’t already been cut by the knee injury. Bulking up won’t help him. If people in Chicago can get over the desparate hero worship of the next Jordan myth, they will realize DRose is the Pippen of the Bulls, not the Jordan. They really need a #1 big man.

  • brad09

    I dont think Reggie said anything that people dont know.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You haven’t seen much.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What is your expertise? Watching a few games and Googling stats? Won’t find too many people who share your opinion. Great players win MVP awards. Rose is a great player. Took him 3 seasons to become great. His peers see it. Has nothing to do with age. He’s there now. And getting better.

  • danpowers

    b*tch please

  • danpowers

    whatever you say fanboy

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Sounds like a man who can’t generate an original thought. No ground to stand on with anything you have to say.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Says the guy with the Knicks logo as his picture lol. Nothing more for you to say. You were lost as soon as you started trying to make a point. Keep watching your Knicks with that 4 game losing streak they have going.

  • http://twitter.com/Memel00 Mark

    I think WE ALL KNOW THAT ROSE didn’t deserve the MVP in 2011 the media hyped him like crazy because they were anti-MIAMI and anti-Lebron!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So they elevated Rose and the Bulls in order to bring MIA/Lebron down.

  • Swizz

    Plus Stop Riding MJ jock. Malone played a great season and won MVP.

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