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Tuesday, February 12th, 2013 at 9:30 am  |  77 responses

Former Bulls Deny Jay Williams’ Claim of Weed Smoking Prior to Games


Jay Williams was beautifully profiled by the NY Times over the weekend, and the story contained all types of stunning details. According to Williams, whose NBA career was cut short due to a motorcyle accident, some of his former teammates in Chicago used to smoke up before playing in games. Unsurprisingly, a few members of the 2002-03 Bulls stood up and refuted the claim. Per the NY Daily News and Chicago Tribune: “Nah, I don’t know why he would say something like that,’ Tyson Chandler said. ‘I think that’s ridiculous that he would come out and say something like that,’ Chandler went on. ‘I don’t remember that, to be honest with you. And, it’s just unfortunate that he would make that kind of statement about our team.’ [...] ‘I didn’t know how to handle it at first,’ Jay Williams said in the report. ‘I didn’t know how to be around it. Guys were on the bench, trying to kick it to girls in the stands, having ball boys run over. I mean, some guys were high.’ Asked to explain what he meant, he said: ‘There were guys smoking weed before games. Guys asking in the middle of the game, ‘Do you smell popcorn.’ [...] ‘I like Jay, but when you make blanket statements, you incriminate everyone,’ said Rick Brunson, currently a Bobcats assistant coach. ‘You have to look in the mirror first: ‘Did I contribute to some of those things?’ Your career didn’t go the way it should’ve gone. Let it go. You’re doing a great job on ESPN. You should be honored and blessed the Bulls paid you.’ [...] ‘My thing is, why say these things now?’ said Donyell Marshall, one of the team leaders from 2002-03. ‘You don’t need to be making people assume. You’re messing up situations for other people. Now, instead of Fred (Hoiberg, coach of Iowa State) focusing on the NCAA tournament or whatever, he’s got to deal with that (crap).’ According to a league spokesman, the NBA had marijuana testing in place during the 2002-03 season.”

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  • pposse

    E Rob comes to mind, but this is stupid Jay Williams lookin for some attention

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    foolishness

  • spit hot fiyah

    courie blount was on that team…

  • spit hot fiyah

    i can’t wait for jalen rose to speak on this on the grantland podcast, he was on the team that season

  • brick

    I’m sure he was talking about that fat lazy slob Eddie Curry. Still, why speak on this now unless you want attention? Most of those guys were young and dumb. Guys like Chandler grew up a lot since those days. Williams seems like a bitter beyotch angry that some of those guys finally got their ish together while his career ended before it ever really began.

  • Mike Mihalow

    ‘I don’t remember that, to be honest with you’.

    Chandler must have been REALLY high.

  • Omar

    Marcus Fizer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    lol i spit up my vitamin water in class u assss

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    nah Eddy was clean…strictly cheeseburgers

  • King David

    LOL jamal crawford was just a rookie smh

  • The Philosopher

    Meh…
    Dennis Rodman was telling the same story about his generation of players getting high on drugs, on the company’s watch. And how, HE was getting high on drugs, on the company’s watch.

  • Hussman25

    It’s widely known guys in the L smoke, it’s WIDELY known guys send ball boys for chicks numbers. He’s not saying anything that’s unknown. No one is gonna admit they were blowin (and its not like any of the guys would get in trouble 10 years after the fact?) The comment was made in reference to the culture of the NBA when he entered & how different it was from his time at Duke. What does he have to gain from making this statement; it’s not like he’s close to any of his teammates from that Bulls Team anyway (none came to visit him once he got hurt per the article & it’s not like he’s probably friendly with any now…) He’s just made a comment most NBA fans already know & probably many bulls fans were probably thinking during that time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    look, the NBA drug policy is a joke. this is how it works.
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    - each player is tasked with taking 3 “random” drug tests in each season.
    - most player’s are finished with their drug testing before christmas.
    - after your 3rd test, there is NO THREAT of a followup test
    - So, the players take their 3rd test and just start smoking again. And it’s been rumored that as much as 40% of NBA player’s smoke pot.
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    I heard this from a player, who is currently playing in the NBA.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    hahah

  • Happy

    It’s the most lax of the three major U.S sports leagues for sure. It’s how so many NBA players get away with HGH and other PEDs use.

  • Comment_System

    hey man we dont like your logic round these parts.

  • RayJr

    I agree with Donyell Marshall. True or false, why bring this up? I mean what’s the point for him saying all this? It’s not like he didn’t find a good job after his basketball career was cut short and has to do a tell all book to make some cash. Pointless to throw people under the bus like this so many years later.

  • KoloradoKobe

    Former Bulls to Jay Williams: “Stop snitching; you messin up our money.”

  • pposse

    how can HGH or PED’s help perform better in basketball?

  • Lorne

    How wouldn’t they? I think you should read up in HGH and other PEDS. If you knew anything about them you wouldn’t be asking that question.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You are kidding right?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol people don’t like this comment? Or the rules the NBA uses?

  • Ugh

    Just because Donyell Marshall looks stoned all the time doesn’t mean he was tokin’ – it’s just the shape of his face.

  • pposse

    i did. I looked on a couple forums, and no one seems to have a clear explanation on how HGH would help a basketball player.

    How wouldn’t they? I don’t see a PED help someone shoot the basketball better.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Nice one

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Anything that makes you get faster and stronger with less work can help you in any sport. David Stern is the greatest liar in the world when he convinced people that being bigger and stronger with less work isn’t that important in basketball.
    Really? So LeBron doesn’t benefit from being an athletic marvel? Or Dwight? Or Rose or Westbrook? I’m not saying any of those guys are juicing, but I’m saying that if you want to increase your natural talent, PEDS work no matter what sport you play.

  • Lorne

    Forums? Why don’t you just read what they do. If you can’t figure it out from there then you’ve got issues bruh.

  • Lorne

    So what you are saying is, you don’t see how HGH could help players heal faster from injuries that usually end careers? You don’t see how guys being bigger and stronger helps in the NBA. You don’t see how increased speed helps explosive drives? You don’t see how increased strenght

  • pposse

    like i said nowhere does it state they help you shoot a basketball better bruh..the one with issues is the one witholding information and dare come at someone with a question with a rhetorical one after your forefather did the same damn thing before you.

    If you want to add to the conversation and tell me something like it helps in recovery time or something.

  • pposse

    there you go, atleast you are trying to help out..but your still a condesending dickhead…some things never change

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The question you are asking is foolish. He sounds like a condescending dickhead because it just takes common sense to answer the question. Unless you really are naive enough to think the only thing that matters in basketball is shooting

  • Lorne

    Okay, lemme make this simple: increased strength equals increased shooting range.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    what are you talking about of course it does

  • fruizm

    They were getting high on drugs??!!

  • pposse

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50443/tell-me-the-nba-has-no-doping

    my original question came from the same perspective as the writer of this article.

  • Happy

    Looking at forums of guys discussing PEDs isn’t the same as looking up the actual substances and their effects counts as reading up on the subject, buddy. If you are stronger and faster than your opponents, wouldn’t that give you an advantage in basketball?

    PEDs help in shooting is the same as it’s help in hitting a baseball. No, it won’t increase hand-eye coordination, but it will increase your strength and allow the ball to travel further. It takes strength to shoot from a distance, and it takes strength to drive to the hole without getting stripped at the basket.

  • Hussman25

    ::shrugs shoulders:: Sorry

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And in that article Henry Abbot says he felt like an idiot for even thinking they wouldn’t help. Did you even read it genius?

  • TR

    If I was in the league i would be huge on blood doping. I’d take the stamina over anything else.

  • pposse

    i did..you need to stop filling in the blanks with what you think people mean.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Say what you mean. Don’t imply it. That’s the first rule in not expressing your feelings like a woman.

  • Jamaican American

    I’ve smoked piff and ran 10 miles afterwards. Williams is a punk, typical of any Dukie that can’t hack it in the NBA

  • pposse

    i asked a simple question, only to get a silly/ childlike response from you, it was only a question you clown.

    Let your wife raise your child slim, you don’t want your seed to turn out like you, stay away its for your own good, dealing with you is like dealing with a teenaged smart ass. Sleep on it clown boy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Well that was a mature response. Sure showed me genius.

  • pposse

    your the model of maturity.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oh my favorite sequel the imbecile strikes back. I’m not the one talking about child like responses and another persons abilities as a father in a comment section you dumb f*ck. I’m calling you stupid. Which my daughter likely won’t need to worry about, as she is getting my brain, and not yours.

  • pposse

    just wait

    OR

    do as i say and let your wife do the child raising slim, its your decision

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol. Oh no, the local idiot from the Internet thinks he is smart enough to judge me as a person because of some comments…..on the internet. Sigh, I better abandon my child and consider the likelihood that drugs that can make you a super human wont help in a sport where being uber athletic, and tireless helps considerably. Genius.

  • pposse

    I am, and I did slim.

    Thank me later.

  • Happy

    You don’t think you’re getting overly upset at comments on the net from a complete stranger? Going so far as to talk about a dude’s family shows that you’re far too emotional for any discussion on a basketball website.

    I think quite a few regulars here are morons of the highest order but getting this personal over something so silly is taking it a bit far, no?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The day you grow up, is the day you realize you can’t judge a person as a person unless you know them intimately. And making personal attacks at them in any other context reflects more poorly on yourself then your opinion does on them. It’s different them judging knowledge/experience/intelligence. I don’t care how you feel about my opinion, and would hold no grudges against you for your opinion of me from what I actually do show – but bringing up a persons personal life that has absolutely nothing to do with anything here is completely different. It shows that you are sensitive and childish. And I have not once said something to you that wasn’t honest. If I felt you said something stupid, I told you so. If you were being stupid I told you so. Now, you doing this, you are a stupid person. And as you may have figured out, I don’t much value the opinion of people that are stupid. So in essence, all you are doing is eliciting me to call you stupid repeatedly, while not actually accomplishing angering me but rather enabling me to waste time while I’m bored. Gotta go, games back on.

  • pposse

    i have endured mr. nbk call me stupid, genius, foolish, naive, dumbf*ck, idiot, woman in one thread in one day alone. Every other time i write something on this site the guy wants to troll me. But I shouldn’t take none of those jabs as personal tho right?

    Not to mention the fact, this all stemmed from one question that i asked YOU and not him in regards to PED’s. I asked, how PED’s or HGH help perform better in basketball…and then all of a sudden the flood gates open. I even pasted a recent article about an ESPN blogger (someone who gets paid to write) who was not aware until 4 months ago that PED’s could help a BASKETBALL player; like my thought process about PED and its effects/ my perceived non effects on a bball player was so foreign. Silly me. NBK took exception to my question (like always) and so i hit him with some truth, the guy has been begging for it for quite some time now (from me).

  • pposse

    u dont value the opinion of anyone unless they agree %1,000 with you! thats why you resort to name calling. You callin pposse ‘stupid’ before, now or in the future is cause pposse doesnt agree with you slim, not cause of something he told you just now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    False. Cute fallacy dummy.

  • pposse

    good you stopped with your five paragraph responses, i knew id teach u something young in

  • cal973

    reggie evans and d12 are both STRONG AS HELL. d12cant shoot free throws and evans cant make a shot if its not a layup. so AGAIN how does hgh help???

  • Juan Gotti

    Who tf is “Courie”???… lmao

  • Lorne

    Are you slow or are you being sarcastic? Who said anything about hand eye coordination, genius? You have never played competitive basketball ever in your life if you think shooting is the only aspect of being a successful basketball player. Are you saying there is no way Howard and Evan could be taking PEDS because they are big and strong, the very things PEDS help with the most?

  • Lorne

    Reading comprehension issues smfh. They have RANGE they do not have AIM. Do you understand the difference? Range reqires strength; aim requires coordination.

  • Happy

    Smh. Okay I’ll attempt to break this down to you even further.

    J.J Redick and Dwayne Wade are both 6’4” shooting guards.

    J.J Redick is an excellent shooter. Dwayne Wade is average.

    Dwayne Wade’s range is probably equal to Redick’s because he is strong. Wade’s ACCURACY is INFERIOR to Redick’s.

    Dwayne Wade is a better basketball player with a better career. Why?

    Wade is stronger, faster, and way more athletic. Not saying that he is using PEDs, but if they make a player bigger stronger and faster, why wouldn’t PEDs help a basketball player? In what world is being bigger and stronger a non-factor in basketball success?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That Henry Abbot article is a story from YEARS ago you idiot..
    .
    you got some real b*tch traits you know that right? complaining about me replying while talking sh*t about me to someone else at the same time. and the only thing you hit me with, and are now hitting anybody else with, is a big dose of stupid. The PED question was a dumb question, and thus, you were told so. Cry about it all you want, doesn’t change that it’s a dumb question. It’s like asking how playing in sneakers is better than playing in flip flops. it’s that level of stupid.

  • pposse

    but the story was written 4 months ago.

    The guy asked me a question in a feeble attempt to defend you and your trollful ways, so i answered his question and he shut up, cause just like me he probably sees right thru you and your ways.

    You suck at life son, stop talking to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the story was written 4 months ago, about something he thought years ago. and he still felt like an idiot for not thinking they would help. which does mean, literally, he thinks it’s stupid to not realize they help.
    .
    and the guy asked you a rhetorical question you weren’t supposed to answer dummy. no reason for him to reply to you when he didn’t want you to answer him anyway.
    .
    and replying to someone, and then saying stop talking to me, is a clear sign of your incompetence. if you don’t want me to reply, then IGNORE me. stop proving you are sensitive and dumb, and just walk away. if you are such a smart, mature, guy.
    .
    slim.

    .

  • pposse

    no, Happy asked me two questions in fact, and I answered them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    - “You don’t think you’re getting overly upset at comments on the net from a complete stranger?”

    - “I think quite a few regulars here are morons of the highest order but getting this personal over something so silly is taking it a bit far, no?”

    .
    He opened his statement with the same question as he ended it. He just worded it different. And he did it like that to make his point, because it was rhetorical. Ask @disqus_XoSVHCOtso:disqus if that’s what he was doing if you are confused. if i’m wrong, i will happily admit it.

  • pposse

    PUN i like what you did there, but No i won’t ask him that, i dont need to. As your very own words go “Say what you mean. Don’t imply it. That’s the first rule in not expressing your feelings like a woman.”

    If he didn’t mean to ask me a question then I guess he expresses his feelings like a woman, you don’t want to find that out now do you??

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    IT’S A RHETORICAL QUESTION. He isn’t implying what he means, he is trying to get you to ask yourself that question. Not to answer it.

    .

    He clearly feels like that’s crossing the line dumbass. It’s why he said, “getting this personal over something so silly is taking it a bit far, no?” – you see the “no?” right? the no shows how he feels, and it begs you to ask yourself the question. He isn’t implying his feelings, he is showing them.

  • pposse

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY

    Marlo describes your problem perfectly. Take 30 seconds out your day and watch the video.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah, that would be a waste of time. i already told you i think you are stupid. and i already told you i don’t value your opinion. why would i watch a video that implies your dumbass opinion, like that is any different?

  • pposse

    then dont, suit yourself. Your illustrious example of “the no shows how he feels” is innaccurate. it should be ‘the no implies how he feels’, but you want it to be one way, you want to be one way, you want it to be one way…but its the other way

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Correct. I incorrectly used implied in the first place. You didn’t imply what you meant. You just ignorantly tried to and failed. Because if you did imply what you meant by showing that link, you would be implying you feel like an idiot for asking that question (as that is LITERALLY what Henry Abbot said in that article). Which you obviously don’t feel. So that’s my fault for incorrectly and ignorantly misusing imply. That was stupid of me.

  • initbruv

    Dude you got manhandled on this thread. Rough.

  • cal973

    EXACTLY. people are trying SO HARD to sound smart that they are not reading your question. they are answering questions that you DIDNT EVEN ASK!!!

  • Szaface

    Nba need to tighten there drug testing. It’s fact that steroids will make you stronger and heal quicker. Why do you think it’s banned in the Olympics,

  • Szaface

    On the another note……..” Smoke weed everyday”

  • Gregg Shorthand

    If you are over the age of 14 and typing/talking like this, you REALLY need to take a good, long look in the mirror. Honestly man.

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