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Thursday, February 14th, 2013 at 1:45 pm  |  210 responses

Michael Jordan Would Pick Kobe Bryant Over LeBron James


Welp … According to Michael Jordan, if he had to choose, he’d take Kobe over LeBron. According to MJ’s logic, at this point in their respective careers, Bryant’s five NBA championships trump anything that James has done. Per the Sun-Sentinel: “To this day, it’s still all about championships for Michael Jordan. So when interviewed for a special that will run Monday at 8 p.m. on NBA TV, the six-time NBA champion former Chicago Bulls guard said he currently views Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant as having the more successful career to this point than Miami Heat forward LeBron James. ‘If you had to pick between the two, that would be a tough choice,’ Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Bobcats, told program host Ahmad Rashard, ‘but five beats one every time I look at it.’ Bryant has won five championships with the Lakers, with James winning his first NBA title last June. ‘And not that he won’t get five,’ Jordan said of James. ‘He may get more than that, but five is bigger than one.’ The interview will air the day after Jordan turns 50 Sunday.”

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  • Tupack Shackur

    This is like when Shaq said DeAndre Jordan was the best center in the West, when obviously (at the time more obviously) Dwight Howard was the biggest threat to Shaq’s legacy.

  • KoloradoKobe

    Wait…the headline makes it seem like MJ would pick one over the other for his team or something. He was referring to who has had a better career so far. Kobe definitely wins that one…duh.

  • Psycho8

    Sensational bullshit.
    It’s an unfair comparison when Kobe is in his twilight years and Lebron has just peaked.

    This question can only be answered when they’re both done with the game.

  • Jim

    What an idiot.

  • zogs19994

    5:1 ratio

    -

    EVERYONE IS ALREADY ACTING LIKE BRON HAS 5 RINGS ALREADY……

  • Psycho8

    I’ve loved MJ the player, there isn’t one like him. (Best across all sports IMO)
    At the same time that doesn’t translate to everything else.
    After this response it now makes sense why he sucks as a GM or an owner

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Of course, Kobe’s career has been the most successful between the two. Why is everyone acting like this is some sort of shocking news?

  • Redd

    Hope he gives a shout out to Chicago, feeling like he forgot us lol.

  • TV63

    MJ has always had a little attitude against Lebron for some time. Hey It’s a free country. He has his opinion and HE was asked . Remember that.

  • TV63

    WHy because he doesn’t worship Lebron? Yeah That’s a good reason Psycho8

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron is better than Kobe ever was right now as a complete player. This discussion will be better when LeBron turns 34. Of course Kobe’s had a better career up until this point…he’s been in the league 7 seasons longer than LeBron has. But if number 6 continues to average 27, 7 and 7 for another 3 or 4 seasons and shoots above 50%, he will have to be considered top 5. And if he adds 2 or 3 more championships, Kobe will have to be put below him on that list. That would give him 3 or 4 championships with more regular season and Finals MVPs than Kobe. Kobe built a career trying to be like Jordan so of course MJ sees some of himself in him. If you really want someone to talk about LeBron, ask Oscar Robertson. He made some great comments about him a few years ago.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    He also picked Adam Morrison over Brandon Roy

  • Lorne

    What sense does it make to compare careers when one is just entering his prime and the other is about to retire? When both players’ career are over this discussion will be relevent. If you go by the rings logic only Horry>MJ.

  • rex

    That’s true. I think it stems from all the hype Lebron got before he ever really did anuthing, plus the fact that individually Lebron has a chance to garner more accolades tham MJ. Championships are a whole different story, but in terms of MVPs and stuff he’s more likely to surpass or match him than Kobe.

  • Caboose

    This is the same man who picked:

    Erik Dampier over Tyson Chandler
    Kwame Brown over Pau Gasol
    Joel Pryzbilla over Gerald Wallace
    Adam Morrisson over Rudy Gay
    Brandan Wright over Joakim Noah
    DJ Augustin over Brook Lopez
    Gerald Henderson over Jrue Holiday
    Jerry Stackhouse over Richard Hamilton
    Vladimir Radmonovic over Shannon Brown

    Sorry, MJ, I don’t trust your player evaluation skills much.

  • megatron

    this is a terrible headline

  • Cam

    11 beats 6, but the media isn’t swallowing Bill Russell, are they MJ?

  • Caboose

    Jordan logic: Where Horry is better than himself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ofcourse Kobe has had a better career. and that’s all Jordan is really saying. Not once is he asked or answering who is the actual better player. But rather who had the better career.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i should have just read down before i essentially said the exact same thing

  • Caboose

    Honestly, if LeBron gets 1 more MVP and 1 more ring, he’s probably had a better career than Kobe. 4x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 2x Rings, with MUCH better career stats? It’s debatable.

  • Gman

    Cmon now, this is an answer based on mixture of talent and career… Horry comments are just Dumb. Russell comment on the other hand could be valid.

  • Gman

    in hindsight both picks would have sucked for any franchise.

  • bill

    Luke Walton 3
    Lebron James 1

    ’nuff said…Walton’s greater.

  • Kim

    Of course he’d pick Kobe, kobe’s his no.1 Fan. Lol
    but totally Lebron is today’s era, even haters knew it.

  • Lorne

    If Lebron gets one more ring and one more MVP I don’t see how it could be debateable that Lebron was the better player. Besides the rings with Shaq, Kobe would have no individual advantage. Lebron wins that easily. Considering the fact that those two things may happen this year, with Lebron still being in his prime I’d say it’s downright inevitable.

  • Psycho8

    Oh you gonna try guess my rationale.

    The answer he should have given is simple (the same he states every time he has been asked who is the G.O.A.T.)
    You can’t compare them just like you can’t compare players from different eras unless you temporally normalize them which is still an estimate.

  • Jan07

    You mean to day Robert Horry and Steve Kerr are better than Charles Barkley, Karl Malone and Reggie Miller???

  • Jan07

    “you mean to say’

  • pposse

    1 more ring doesnt guarantee LBJ the finals MVP

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    You do know that his reasoning based on their careers so far up to this today isn’t flawed, right?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    There are 11 players with 7 or more rings. 10 of them were Celtics.

  • pposse

    The best was when Robert Horry compared himself to Scottie Pippen a week after he won his 7th ring on ESPN radio smh

  • Caboose

    His REASONING is flawed, but his conclusion isn’t. There’s a difference.
    -Kobe has had a better career thus far. Obviously.
    -It isn’t simply because of rings that Kobe’s career is better.

  • Caboose

    Yes it does.

  • pposse

    really? With D Wade on the team, and the fact that Lebron is probably the most unselfish superstar player ever? Wade is way more than capable of dropping 30 plus ppg in a finals showdown against any team.

  • LakeShow

    Careful not to go too far and disrespect what Horry. That guy did some amazing stuff. He is responsible for helping teams win championships, that’s nothing to scoff at.

    He’s not Pippen,(not even close…. at all) but when he was finally given the chance to start and play big minutes he put up numbers. In the only year he was given more than 32 mins a night he put up 12- 6 – 4 – 1.6 stls – 1.5 blks. He was a very solid contributor to every team he played on.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Wade is getting to 100% now..and who is leading the team in scoring still on a nightly basis? Even with LeBron being as unselfish as he is, he’s still going to be getting 30 a night. Wade has been at 25, 6 and 6 during this ridiculous streak of games by LeBron. This is him at his best.

  • shockexchange

    Sometimes you just have to consider the source. Jordan was arguably the greatest player ever, but when it come to evaluating talent … *crickets*

  • pposse

    Wade can still elevate his game, the same guy who many on this site have said has been playing better ball than Kobe for the past 3 or 4 years now is being severely undermined.

    Plus, in the playoffs a lot of coaches will probably be sticking two guys on Lebron, there should probably be more opportunity for Wade and Bosh to do damage than Lebron.

  • ashemsmashem

    Ohh. I fancy the kobe & lebron comparision to brady & manning. Both wildly successful, but brady has a better post season career & manning has the mvps . Is lebron better than kobe now? Yes. Career wise? Still got some catching up to do

  • robb

    MJ likes more Kobe than Lebron, that’s the truth. The ring thing is the only explanation he could think of.

  • pposse

    Im not tryin to disrespect Horry. Hell, if it were up to me i’d put him in the HOF.

    But, I specifically remember him going on the radio and it was Dan Patrick i believe at the time and Dan asked him what it felt like to get number 7 after the sweep against the cavs. His words were something like this “it feels great to get number 7. To surpass a guy like Scottie Pippen really makes me feel good, and validate my career.” In all honesty i dont even think im paraphrasing what he said, those might have been his exact words.

  • ashemsmashem

    I think people also need to take into account the level of competition both kobe & lebron had to go through in order to become successful. I will say that going through the spurs, phoenix (in mid 00s)), sac-town in the early 00s. The lakers had tougher competition.

  • Caboose

    That is tortured logic and you know it.

  • Cam

    If Jordan even meant who he’d take at the peak of their career, he should’ve still said LeBron.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What team will be able to do a better job this postseason that they didn’t do last postseason? What’s changed about the Pacers? The Celtics are much worse especially without Rondo. The Knicks have no one who can even try to contain LeBron. There’s no way of defending him. The only way LeBron won’t do more damage than he did last season in the playoffs is if he somehow stops himself. I don’t think that will happen since he’s now a champion and he now knows that there’s no one who can stop him anymore.

  • Caboose

    Put it this way: Dwyane Wade has NEVER outplayed LeBron in any individual season. The closest would be 06-07. Knowing that, why would you suddenly think Wade would outplay LeBron in the Finals? EVEN IF LeBron suddenly got ridiculously unselfish, his 20-8-10 would still be better than Wade’s 28-4-5.

  • ashemsmashem

    How so? Is the west, even today, a better conference? The lakers played the spurs 11 times in the duncan era, spurs being the only other dynasty besides the lakers in the past 15 years. How

  • pposse

    ESPN has Wades 04-05 finals performance as the best or second best ever! He averaged 40ppg in the victories!

    The finals is only one series, the finals MVP is specifically for that one series, and not an award for excellence thruout the playoffs (if the latter is the case then Wade will never win it). If Wades numbers go somethin like 33-5-5 he will add a finals MVP trophy to his collection. If the Heat beat Dallas 2 yrs ago, he would have gotten that award too.

    I’m guessing that if a team like the Spurs gets to the finals they will throw double/triple teams at Bron Bron every play. They will be begging for Wade or Bosh to beat them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    There is nothing I hate more than when asked who’s the better player or who has the better career, people automatically jump into the “he won this many rings” line. That is a lazy way of judging and ranking players.

  • Lorne

    I know; that was meant read: “if you go by the rings only logic…”. I’m not s disquis member so I couldn’t edit my comment.

  • http://twitter.com/_DFrance DFrance

    SLAM, you have a loyal online following. There is no need to sensationalize these headlines.

  • LakeShow

    That is more than highly debatable.
    KB was a 30 – 7 – 6 – 1.7 – .9 guy.
    Don’t forget.
    He also has 2 rings and 3 finals appearances with having no one nearly as good as D-Wade on his team.

  • LakeShow

    Most players think too lofty of themselves. . .
    We cool then :) haha

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh i see, that makes perfect sense.

  • yee

    Luke Walton : 2

  • Caboose

    When was the last time Wade averaged 33-5-5 for even a THREE GAME STRETCH? Hint, the answer isn’t in this decade. No way is he averaging that for a series.

  • rex

    Shaq had a tougher road than Kobe in terms of who had the brunt of the respinsibikity. In those Spurs series, Kobe was able to score mych easier because of the heavy focus in Shaq. Lebron was the focal point of every team he’s ever played on. He was the main focus of every opponents defense. I think your comment actually helps Lebron more than Kobe.

  • rex

    Damn touch screen. My bad for the typos.

  • shockexchange

    Hence the moniker, “Horry Jr”

  • Ikedeka

    Well sure, Kobe’s been in the league for 17 years, has a truckload of numbers, can do anything on the court like MJ did. Of course MJ thinks Kobe’s the better of the two. The irony is that LBJ wins one championship and is having a stellar year and now he’s surpassed Kobe and has gone straight to MJ for “potential” best ever. Kobe’s career has been one spectacular show of basketball talent after another. Anything Lebron is doing now, is something Kobe’s been doing his whole career except facilitate. So has passing the ball to teammates suddenly become the criteria for being as good as Jordan? If so, Lebron passed MJ and Kobe a long time ago.

  • Bang can Bang

    Kobe Has 5 rings for a reason and that is because he earned them. He carried his team two times and closed out a series vs Pacers where he had to Carrie his team after shaq got fouled out. He went off that game. LeBron carried his team too but he had Wade, bosh and others. If you compare the two teams overall heat was better and better. LeBron also won in a shortened season.

  • Happy

    What?

    Kobe has never shot over 48% or better in his career.

    Kobe is on the all-time list for missed shots.

    Kobe has a whopping 4 out of 17 seasons of being an elite defender (despite the bs All-Defensive teams).

    Kobe has never been as good of a rebounder as Lebron.

    Lebron has more triple doubles than Kobe already, and Kobe has 7 more seasons of experience.

    Kobe has 1 more Finals MVP award than Lebron.

    Lebron has 3 MVPs to Kobe’s 1, and Lebron has at minimum three more years of playing at this level.

  • Happy

    I think in general, some of the old timers have this veiled jealousy of Lebron.

    Even Magic Johnson had to jump on Twitter and talk about how Lebron would never have beaten MJ one on one ever.

    Jordan realizes that with Kobe’s career coming to a close, Kobe is no threat at all to his legacy. Kobe will always be remembered as being a level below him and he’s fine with that. Lebron has at least 7 more years to accomplish more and it’s scary to him.

  • Happy

    One picked sucked due to injury, not because he was a bust. Morrison was a bust. Roy was top 3 at his position at one point.

  • Caboose

    I’m surprised I didn’t attack the fact that you called Bron the most unselfish superstar ever. Let’s see:
    Stockton
    Magic
    Nash
    Kidd
    Paul
    Duncan
    Pippen

  • Caboose

    And MORON, his finals was 05-06.

  • Eagle12

    Given that Kobe is Jordan 2.0, it’s no surprise His Airness picked his protege. For more NBA stories, check out shootingbricks.com

  • Conor

    Did you actually watch those series?

  • Conor

    i. Shooting 9/20 instead of 10/20 isn’t a large difference if you’re a better three-point shooter and free throw shooter.

    ii. So are all superstars who played 15+ seasons.

    iii. Blatant lie.

    iv. Kobe can rebound has well as LeBron when he focuses on it. The difference is that Kobe is a shooting guard and therefore is further away from the basket more consistently. Common sense.

    v. Playing style. Kobe is the far superior scorer, and so that has been his focus.

    vi. Kobe is 5/7; LeBron is 1/3.

    v. Media. He deserved it in 2006 and 2003.

  • mikep

    It’s not like jordan teamed up w/ bird and magic johnson to win a championship, he won with the team they had and should’ve been 8 straight!

  • Slick Ric

    Exactly

  • pposse

    semantics..it doesnt change the stat line. Are you some sort of accountant? paying attention to details i see

  • pposse

    im really confused here, you have numerous a times defended the Wade has been better than Kobe for the last 4 years arguments that have been goin on over here, yet you think its impossible for D Wade to get a finals MVP just cause Bron Bron is on the team?! The guy you value as probably a top 5-7 player in the league?

    Lets not forget that Tony Parker has a finals MVP on a Tim Duncan led team, when TD was still in his prime.

  • pposse

    i have a problem with this list. Mainly, all of the pg’s should be taken off because their physical abilities are no where near Lebron’s..plus its a pg’s main job to distribute the rock. Plus, when i talk about Lebron I am talking like he his already a top ten of all time cause in my mind he will be and if he will be he is, so when i say superstar i mean top ten of all time lol.

    Can’t argue Duncan he’s up there as one of the most unselfish superstars.

    Pippen – love the guy but he refused to step on the bball court when kukoc hit the shot over the knicks cause the play wasnt drawn up for him.

    Magic – i like most will always remember the so called “great” running baby hook shot over the Celtics in the finals, but i choose to remember it more for the fact that Kareem was WIDE open underneath the bucket with his hands up while Magic goes up over two people.

    Which leads me back to Lebron – the only time i seen him make a bad/ selfish play when it counts was in the all star game last yr when he threw the ball to Wade in the corner instead of pulling up for a jumper on Kobe, and go figure it was a selfish cause he passed the ball.

  • Caboose

    Your argument is nonsensical. Watch, this is your form of logic:

    -LeBron can be unselfish.
    -LeBron could be unselfish to a degree higher than he’s ever been in the Finals.
    -If LeBron is unselfish, Wade is the one who will benefit the most.
    -Therefore, an unselfish LeBron leads to a dominant Wade.
    -If LeBron is unselfish, he is not as dominant.
    -A dominant Wade is therefore greater than an unselfish LeBron.
    -If LeBron is unselfish to such a degree that Wade is the dominant one, the Heat can still win the Finals.
    -Therefore, if LeBron is unselfish in a series that is possible to win, Wade deserves Finals MVP.
    ———-
    This reasoning is utterly ridiculous. I’ll offer my counterpoints now:
    -LeBron is unlikely to be unselfish to such a crazy degree in the Finals. He has seen that it takes him being a scorer to win a championship.
    -In games where LeBron scores 20 or less (ie, being unselfish), these are his statlines in pts-reb-ast: 20-9-11; 20-12-8; 20-10-6; 15-10-9; 20-5-7. That’s averaging 19.0-9.2-8.2 at his MOST UNSELFISH. Meaning, that is as bad as his stats get, supposedly.
    -In those games, it is not Wade who gets the most benefit, but Bosh. Here are Wade’s points in those games: 14, 22, 8, 18, 11. Here are Bosh’s: 40, 8, 22, 29, 16. It is UTTERLY MORONIC to think that when LeBron is unselfish, Wade is the one who benefits from it.

    So tell me, if LeBron decides to pull his best Magic impersonation and averages 19-9-8, why would Wade suddenly go off for 33-5-5 when the MOST he’s ever scored when Bron has 20 or less this season is 22? You are an ignoramus who just spouts whatever thoughts flow through your head, as evidenced by your complete lack of support for your ideas.

  • Kenya

    Well if we want to get on the subject of rings I don’t see anyone throwing out Bill Russell’s name… he trumps EVERYBODY in the game lol Can’t make a comparison to that. He’s in a league of his own, and a legend with it’s own category. MJ bow’s to that throne lol

  • pposse

    how bout you check dwades stats in the finals against the mavs in 2011. and then check what lebrons stats were. Wade had a top ten finals performance in the loss!

  • Caboose

    Good lord. Read my long reposte to your earlier comments. I literally have no respect for what you’re arguing.

  • pposse

    okay so when another player other than Lebron gets a finals MVP just remember pposse told you so

  • Caboose

    I TOTALLY forgot that stats from two years ago are more relevant than stats from two months ago. Silly me.

  • Kenya

    I’m wondering why people are comparing them to begin with. Kobe is on his way to retirement soon. Dude has pushed 16 YEARS vs. Lebron’s 9 years. Kobe is already a legend, but LeBron is a legend in the making. Come on now, is that even logical. Let’s compare once LeBron get’s to 16 years first??? They stay putting weight on my favorite players shoulders smh As much as I love LeBron’s game, I know that Kobe currently has the more successful career, duh, end of discussion lol

  • Caboose

    I will guarantee that not until LeBron is over 34 will a player other than him on his team get a Finals MVP.

  • Caboose

    You wanna jump in on this pposse thing below? I feel my blood pressure rising just reading his tripe.

  • pposse

    aight fine, and I will guarantee you that another player will take finals MVP over Lebron when and if the Heat win more championships

  • Happy

    All Kobe fans try to rationalize his flaws as if they aren’t as bad as they appear. They are that bad.

    1. Kobe shoots a lot of bad, inexcusable shots. 9/20 can be waaaaay more AWFUL to your team than 10/20 when you’re shooting fadeaway jumpers over two defenders, and it leads to the other team’s possession of the ball. Don’t try to downplay or excuse it by saying he makes up for it with free throws.

    2. See my comment above. Kobe could be a much better shooter than he is were it not for his hero-ball antics. You really want me to believe it has more to do with the length of time he’s been playing than it does with his poor decision making?

    3. You have to be a real Kobe stan if you can’t even acknowledge he went from being an average defender, to elite for a few years, to not even caring about it 90% of each game for YEARS now.

    4. I really hate those silly, immature, “he could if he wanted to be” arguments. Jason Kidd has been a better rebounder than Kobe, and he’s a damn point guard. Try again.

    5. Kobe’s focus has been ONLY on scoring, at the expense of his defense and recently at the expense of team wins.

    6. What’s your point? Lebron made it to the Finals without a player like Shaq in his prime. You can’t give Kobe credit for being able to win 3x with prime Shaq if you’re going to knock Lebron for losing twice while being the best player.

    7. Even with your belief that Kobe somehow deserved it twice–which he didn’t–that still leaves Lebron with one more MVP and possibly two more by the end of this season.

  • Caboose

    Which is based on literally nothing but your random neuronal firings.

  • pposse

    cmon caboose when discussing the FINALS its more relevant. We are talking about finals MVP right?

  • pposse

    No, its based on Lebron being cerebral enough to do what it takes to win, and his got damn team having three ultra superstars on it (one being himself)

  • Max

    Everything Shaq says is bullshh

  • Caboose

    No it’s not. That’s like saying we should look at Dwight Howard’s Playoff stats instead of his current season stats to imagine how he’d do in the postseason. THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME.

  • Caboose

    HOLY SH!T. When LeBron lost in the Finals, he was unselfish. When he won in the Finals, he was a scorer. WHY DO YOU THINK LEBRON WOULD SUDDENLY STOP SHOOTING IF HE KNOWS THAT HIS SCORING IS WHAT WINS FINALS?

  • pposse

    its all about match ups, and adjustments. Rick Carlisle > Scott Brooks by a country mile.

    If the Spurs make it to the finals, they will force Bosh, Wade or the other guys to beat them. A good coach will find a way to get the ball out of the best players hands. And since LBJ is so damn unselfish he will continously make the smart, right basketball play. If that means Lebron go to the huddle and tell his team his damn self to go thru Wade and Bosh for stretches at a time while he occupies bodies then so be it.

  • Caboose

    Ok, but when LeBron defers this season, WADE HASN’T BEEN ANY BETTER. Know when Wade has his best games? When LeBron has his best games. THIS IS NOT COINCIDENCE. You are using pure conjecture. I have stats and ACTUALLY SOMETHING TO BACK IT UP. Honestly, I never respect anything you say here because you think your own deductive powers are superior to what has actually happened.

  • Max

    08-09:
    30, 7.5, 5, 2.2 and 1.3 on 49%
    VS
    28, 7.2, 7.6, 1.7 and 1.1 on 49%
    I’d say wade came pretty close that season, especially how he was playing after the ASG.
    All those buzzetbeaters in that period were sick!

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Based on Jordan’s reckoning ever conversation ends with Bill Russell and Robert Horry.

  • Caboose

    Granted, that is also a pretty close year. I’ll give you that. But read the dribble pposse is spouting below. You’ll see that that claim isn’t really relevant.

  • Max

    Uhg, Tell me how is Kobe a ‘far superior scorer’? Lebron can score just as much with more efficiency.

  • pposse

    Is it not consitent that D Wade elevates his game in the finals from his regular season stats?

    Is it really consistent that Lebron elevates his stats in the finals? Cause I mean I only remember him winning once and losing twice, and twice not performing to everyone’s expectations.

    But your right, forget about those bad performances since it wasn’t last year or the regular season of this year. Stats can get manipulated whichever way you want to manipulate them.

  • The Philosopher

    It is as such, my good and respected brethren;
    Magic is the greatest to ever play. A Hall of Fame talent at all five positions. No player in History can boast that. Except him.
    And to those who believe that Larry Bird is the best pure basketball player ever, you have a good argument.
    In my opinion.
    Kareem Abdul – Jabbar is the most underrated player of all times, it seems to me. And possibly, the greatest of all times. Depending on one’s estimation.
    The King is better than Kobe… and always has been.
    Neither are better than Jordan, or the other names mentioned. Because, Kareem and those players played in the Golden Age of NBA basketball. The era before the internet. When players had the time, and the desire. It was pure basketball. Players had the time to hone their craft.
    Today, the rules make average players look above average, and above average players look like they’re great. And they’re not allowed to play individual, belly – up defense. Where one can actually keep a player from getting to the paint.
    There are a few great players from today, and from the 90′s…
    But they have a long, long way to go.

  • pposse

    quit with the psychoanalysis, or shiiiiiet if your gonna do that then don’t half ass it, go all out shoot for the stars; analyze, diagnose and solve lol

  • Caboose

    You know we have to ask for the distinctions between greatest, best, and most talented.

  • Caboose

    You think that is psychoanalysis? You must be in high school.

  • Happy

    He means Lebron doesn’t have the guts to jack up 46 shots in one game.

  • zogs19994

    KOBE BRYANT = MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR

    LEBRON JAMES = MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR

    LUKE WALTON = NOT A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR

    THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE…..

  • pposse

    says the internet bully lol, bro are u mad? Excuse me for thinking D Wade or Chris Bosh is still capable of getting a finals MVP. Maybe you should look at your analysis of me and say that about yourself, let it marinate just for 30 seconds that should do the trick and voila!

  • under…theBRIDGE

    *cents

  • Dutch Rich

    This article is misleading and ignores the obvious. This can only be one of two things; Either Money is suffering from early dementia or….he’s too cheap to pay for cable!

  • under…theBRIDGE

    shut your mouth before i zip it up and then make you swallow the key

  • under…theBRIDGE

    so scary like a ghost in the basement….so scary……like hairy……….potter…

  • pposse

    calm down Confucious.

  • Caboose

    What?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    your back? man, I’ve missed you troll. how was your winter?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s nbk from this summer

  • Billy Hoyle

    Maybe he just likes cheering for the underdog

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    who dominates the ball on the heat genius? say Wade does somehow lead them in scoring in a finals series……who do you think leads the team everywhere else? this is literally ridiculous. if you pay any attention to what is happening with the Heat and LeBron James you would know it is pretty clear that if he is healthy, he is and will be the best player on the team, 9 times out of 10. Actually, 29 out of 30 times he’ll be the best player on the team. If Wade or Bosh do somehow even get in the conversation for finals MVP it is because LeBron is either hurt, or himself averaging a triple double. and we know, if he does that, he is gonna win the award.

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    now you can make the argument that Wade or Bosh would be better over the course of a series, that argument is logical. As long as you are also assuming the Heat are also losing the series. as they aren’t winning in the finals unless LeBron is their best player. It’s why they get there in the first place dumbass.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t want to get too invested. this fool is an idiot and is going to get defensive and emotional. the argument won’t stay on topic for more than 2 comments.

  • Caboose

    Ah.

  • Caboose

    Where’d my troll go??? :( ((

  • Dutch Rich

    Ooh the grumpy old troll that lives under the bridge?

  • The Seed

    DUH, LOL

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol naw. kobe has never been this good.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the Brandon roy pick was a success. he was better than advertised. as the doctors said he would have a career cut short by his knees and he did make it through his whole rookie contract

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    MJ would destroy LJ or KB and one on one, though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    well, so mj was pretty clear, it’s about the rings (according to him anyway). So why do kobe fans deny his inferiority to MJ?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    After seeing a clip of that part of the interview, I’m not sure he said anything wild. Nothing really wrong with what he said in the clip TNT showed last night. Waiting to see the entire interview. I want to hear everything he says especially about LeBron. We haven’t heard him at length talking about LeBron especially since he won last season.

  • Max

    I’d just say there is a small, tiny chance that Dwade could win the finals MVP if he has a crazy series in which Lebron struggles a bit. But still only like a 2% chance.
    So, I don’t really see it happening either.

  • Max

    Hey, if the ability to jack up alot of shots means a better scorer than yes by that logic Kobe’s a better scorer.
    Those Lakers fans huh.

  • pposse

    okay and Pau Gasol didn’t deserve finals MVP in 2010 either, with a ball dominant player..you never argued that before tho right? Renege, back to the drawing board.

  • pposse

    here comes the groupie, how much they pay you to suckie suckie?

  • Initbruv

    You are just awful sir. Awful.

  • Initbruv

    What? People get paid on here?

  • pposse

    im sure if i ever see you, your either walking around wit knee pads in your purse or have callouses on em

  • Initbruv

    You’re kind of an emotional fella aren’t you?

  • pposse

    your kinda one of those guys who like to pile on arent you? a follower not a leader type, i see, if you have nothing at all to contribute then why open your pie hole?

  • Initbruv

    I think you just need to hear it from as many people as possible. And I didn’t open my “pie hole”, we’re on computers.

  • pposse

    IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT U THINK! you made that way too easy.

  • Initbruv

    Some day you’ll learn to control your emotions. Some day when you have a little more hair on your v*gina. Good luck to you. Remember, they don’t make you mad, you make you mad.

  • pposse

    they have an internet term for what you are trying to do..its called trolling. How do you know if im mad or not? i tell you what, how about i pay you double whatever they are paying you? All you have to do is know your role introvert.

  • Initbruv

    Do you understand what an introvert is?

  • pposse

    yeah its someone who keeps to themselves..which is exactly what you do. You only come out of your shell after the discussion has taken place, you have introvert qualities. Either add to the conversation or dont

  • Initbruv

    That was hypothetical, you clearly do not. You get “trolled” because everyone recognizes your d baggery. I saw the other day when you attacked nbk all personally. Tsk tsk. Very c*nty of you my friend.

  • Initbruv

    Lol. You’re the best. I changed my mind, don’t change at all. You’re like a beautiful snowflake.

  • pposse

    im not the one bringing that up again, you are. do you think that just cause you put ‘my friend’ at the end of your statment that you calling someone ‘c*nty’ is not a personal attack? Or are you just being hypocritical? Or being a d bag which is what you are accusing one of? Take your pick.

  • Initbruv

    Nah not at all, just a little banter. Sorry, don’t be such a c*nt about it.

  • pposse

    and you don’t think people can possibly take that as a personal attack?

  • Initbruv

    I think they definitely could. Depends on how c*nty they are, as an individual.

  • pposse

    well then, i guess this video applies to you to, its really sad that wall you put up, its a big wall of ignorance..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY

  • Initbruv

    That’s right, you’re just like a c*ntier version of Marlo

  • pposse

    and your like the security guard who gets mercked

  • Initbruv

    Except not, because this is real life and that’s a tv show.

  • Initbruv

    Alright this is spiraling out of control. I’ll let you get back to waxing your box.

  • Initbruv

    You c*nt.

  • pposse

    except in real life you should soon realize that its always been the other way stupid. You see how i got you on a string, i can do this to you whenever i feel like it.

  • pposse

    go home

  • pposse

    thanks, your input was relevant and productive

  • Initbruv

    Lol. I enjoyed this thoroughly. Believe me, we will “talk” again. You’re great.

  • pposse

    the pleasure is all mine fa**ot

  • Initbruv

    Whoa. It’s the 21st century man. Only c*nts call people f*ggots.

  • pposse

    your right Initbruv that was a little harsh, your not a f*ggot, i apologize if i offended you or anyone else.

  • Initbruv

    It’s alright, just call me a c*nt next time. Feels better I promise.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe is ball dominant and selfish. Gasol was who the offense ran through. I mean understanding the difference between Kobe and LeBron is a pretty fundamental part of this if you are going to bring up LA

  • pposse

    LOL, there’s a difference with Kobe and Lebron?! i never knew!

    Kobe was dominant, selfish and Pau still was the MVP in that series in many peoples eyes.

    Duncan was dominant unselfish and Parker was the MVP in the Spurs series vs. the Cavs.
    wtf is your pt genius? Wade and Bosh can be better in the course of a series but they will lose lol, that was pure genius, and logical, you showed me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    The fact the Lebron puts up the same if not better numbers with three “ultra superstars.” speaks volumes bro. In all sense his stats would decline due to him having to defer to other guys he leads the team in almost every statistical category. Lebron is one of the more cerebral players in the game today you cannot play how he plays and not be that way. You cannot name many guys that are on his level mentally , and a good number of people you name are on the sideline “suited up” coaching or commenting. Lebron will make everybody on the team, organization, heck he’ll make the whole city better. Mike Brown wouldn’t have even got his Laker job without Lebron getting him to the finals. Freaking sasha pavolic wouldn’t still be here if LBJ hadn’t made him look serviceable. LBVFS

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    These cats don’t understand how hard it is to really create your own shot vs. just chucking up one. The pressure Lebron takes off his teammates physically and mentally is unreal man. It just does not show because these guys arewere proven scorers before he got there and it is arguable they could have achieved these kind of games alone albeit far more taxing on their mind and body.I guarantee you put Lebron on the Lakers and you have a more efficient team and a better performing Dwight Howard.

  • pposse

    no one is denying Lebron’s greatness. But your completely dismissing Bosh and Wade. They can’t have a better 7 games series then Lebron ever?? Both of those guys are sure fire hall of famers, and still in their prime, yet Lebron will forever trump what they do even on a day to day basis.

    Solid arguments can be made that Bosh was the reason the Heat beat the Bulls in the 2011 playoffs (shot a better percentage, less turnover, 13 less pts than lebron etc etc. same rebounding numbers). No one would have thrown a hissy fit if that series was the finals and Bosh won MVP.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yes, LeBron is ball dominant and unselfish. So if he has a teammate who is outscoring him, then he is getting assists. And scoring himself, obviously. And he does lead the team in rebounding as well. So, say someone else outscores him, he will still be the best player on the court and the reason that player was scoring sooo much.

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    To say Dwyane Wade has a chance at Finals MVP, is to say Scottie Pippen had a chance at getting Finals MVP. Would you have said that? No?

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    You named Duncan, who isn’t ball dominant.

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    You named Kobe, who is tasked a scorer, while being ball dominant, he is finishing plays, not creating them. Which is why Pau led the team in rebounds and assists throughout that series. Because the offense actually ran through him. And he was definitely the best Laker in WINS. Which is why i had him as finals MVP. Despite Bryant having the better overall series.

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    The LeBron situation is TOTALLY different. He’s the teams main scorer, play creator, defender, vocal leader, he’s everything. Responsibility on the Heat isn’t spread out. That team is LeBron’s team. He’s the reason they win.

    .”Wade and Bosh can be better in the course of a series but they will lose lol, that was pure genius, and logical, you showed me.” – Yes idiot, look at the finals in 2011. You are a moron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s this pposse dumbass. everyone else understands the situation. just this guy, who for the last 4 days has been commenting to extremely moronic proportions.

  • pposse

    nbk you continue to spew nonsense, they lost that series vs the mavs cause they could not stop the pgs or Dirk. Two top factors, third was Lebron’s poor performance. If they stop Dirk, Heat win, Wade MVP.

  • Happy

    Kobe, yes. MJ was a better version of Kobe and he was stronger than him. More athletic. Name one player with Lebron’s size, athleticism and skill set that MJ has faced. I think MJ would beat Lebron, but destroy him? I doubt it. I’ve actually watched MJ in his prime, and I’m not talking Youtube. Lebron would bother him, maybe even win 2-10.

  • pposse

    the pressure reliever works both ways. You just said Wade was a proven scorer before Lebron. I’ll go one step further, Wade was a proven WINNER before Lebron… knowing that wouldn’t help relieve some pressure from Lebron and what he has to do to make the steam successful? Ofcourse not (in y’alls world). It doesnt take a genius to realize the team the Heat formed could win 7 championships. They already made it to 2 straight finals, and no one is really threatening them to get to the third, but this is all cause of Lebron, and not the two HOF players he gets to play with in their prime. Lebron took pressure off himself the same way he takes pressure off everyone around him by having Wade and Bosh on his squad. Why is that so damn difficult to understand?

  • pposse

    Duncan 06-07 playoffs USG% = 29.5

    Parker 06-07 playoffs USG% = 29.2

    Considering Kobe’s 32.3 USG in 2010 is not too far from 29.5, you might want to rethink your Duncan is not ball dominant sweeping claim.

    You gotta love stats, you can make them tell you whatever the hell you want them to tell you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If LeBron plays better Heat win. LeBron MVP. Nobody was stopping Dirk. Obviously.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You can use stats as long as you also use context. Now go back and examine the offenses each team uses. Then you can use usage %. Acting like 32% usage is comparable to 29% when the 32% is coming from a player in the triangle compared to the 29% coming from an offense that literally features that player.
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    And Manu used 27% – you forgot to include that. If you want to just throw out numbers without any context.

  • LakeShow

    Every point you made was a fact and a great counter.
    Well done.

  • pposse

    im happy you brought that up “nobody was stopping Dirk. Obviously.” What was obvious was Lebron not checking Dirk at all thruout that series. the only thing obvious was a fatal coaching error. Still, stopping Dirk was priority number one, stopping the pg’s was number two and Lebron playing better number three. If priority 1 happened, Dallas loses, Lebron plays better albeit diminished shooting stats, and Wade gets MVP. Sorry bruh your wrong.

  • pposse

    oh so now i have to give you advanced stats in the context of the offense?! CHILD PLEASE! The triangle does feature Kobe (without Shaq), just like it featured Jordan when he was playing in it. Are you trying to tell me that the triangle in Chicago featured Luc Longley or Dennis Rodman…CHILD PLEASE!! Thats the beauty of the Triangle it can feature a number of different players at a number of different POST positions.

    Duncan was ball dominant, Duncan and Parker were ball dominant, Duncan Parker and Ginobili were ball dominant. It doesnt matter what the damn conclusion was, Duncan still was the best player on that team, and still didn’t get MVP yet he was ball dominant according to USG%.

    You guys have absolutely no merritt to come at me and say it is virutally impossible for Wade and or Bosh to get a Finals MVP, none whatsoever. A 2% shot lol gtfoh. Who was the MVP of the Bulls and Heat series that year?! Some people say Bosh, some say Bron, are the people who say Bosh flat wrong? NO they are not, but according to nbk its impossible for them to be right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    LJ could not handle MJ one on one dude. MJ would be in his ear tellin him he ain’t the King he’s a princess. I ain’t a LJ hater, I’m a Lakers fan and Kobe die hard that admits what LJ can do on an 82 game basis trumps Kobe, even in his prime. But think about the fragility of LJ psyche in the 2010′s, imagine that man playing pro ball in the 80′s?

  • Happy

    I didn’t say he would “handle” MJ. I said he might win 2-10, which based on tangible facts is much more plausible than saying a super athlete who is 3 inches taller and nearly 50 pounds heavier will get destroyed every single in a one on one battle. There really hasn’t been an athlete Lebron’s size with that skill ever before in the league’s history. That’s the only thing that makes him special to be honest. You can’t say Jordan will destroy 10-10 something he’s never faced. The question isn’t whether not Lebron could play in the 80′s.

    But if you want to talk about the 80′s, do you even realize that one of the reasons Jordan had no equal back then was because his athleticism was second to none? Dominique Wilkins was the only athlete to compare to Jordan back then. In terms of pure basketball skill, Jordan himself has admitted that his skills didn’t fully reach their peak until he developed his outside game in the early 90′s. You’re telling me an athlete Lebron’s size couldn’t have thrived in a league where a smaller guy like Jordan dominated? I’m not saying he’s on par with Jordan, but the MJ and Wilkins took NBA athleticism to a different level. Today there are more athletes than real skilled players.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nope. The triangle features nobody. It’s a team offense.
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    But I also don’t feel like wasting my time arguing with you. So believe whatever nonsense you want.

  • pposse

    hahahah you are one arrogant prick you know that. You have nothing, Duncan is “ball dominant” kobe is “ball dominant” you are just too proud to admit you are wrong. The Spurs run a team offense too dummy.

    I dont care what you feel save that for Caboose and all the other women you speak to, dont tell me what you feel, tell that to your fellow women gossip mongers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Yes, I agree with everything you said. I was just adding to the discussion not debating I just didn’t really clarify that. All though I do believe Jordan had his fair sure of good athletes to face in the 90′s, maybe not as much as Lebron, but those guy’s were a lot tougher. Also, the bigs. Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Shaq, etc.. This is off-topic, but I’d say LeBron’s path to the last finals, and possibly this finals, are some of easiest in the last 20 years. Jordan faced far tougher competition.

    Also, yes, I truly believe Jordan was destroy Lebron James in one on one. LJ is not a one on one player. He is not nearly as comfortable going head to head with another superstar than MJ or Kobe. And he may be bigger, but, when analysts and fans like to claim Lebron is the greatest athlete ever, I’d tell them to go look at some MJ highlights. I’d argue, that I don’t even believe LJ is stronger than MJ. Faster is debatable, too. Not to mention jumping and body control.

  • pposse

    for you to even think that the triangle was not catered to Kobe specifically makes you just delusional and stretching, in your previous post you oh so claimed the triangle ran thru Pau, but now its a ‘team offesnse’? CHILD PLEASE! Renege as always.

    Caboose was right “you think your own deductive powers are superior to what has actually happened” – talk about misplaced rage, for some reason he said that to me but he meant to say it to you. Check your internet buddy jo.

  • Happy

    I agree that Jordan probably faced much tougher competition. The refs call these silly little fouls today when guys like Jordan faced hand checking and super physical play from teams like the Knicks. The Bulls got battered by those guys and still made it through.

    I don’t think he’s the greatest athlete ever but I think he’s the greatest athlete with that skill set. I don’t see any evidence that he’s stronger than Lebron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are in a world of hypothetical bullsh*t. you can’t be right or wrong about something that NEVER happened.
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    the only thing we know about that series, and those playoffs
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    A)nobody was stopping Dirk. NOBODY.
    B)LeBron played poorly. And they lost.
    C)In all series they won, LeBron was their best player.
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    LOGICALLY, if LEBRON is the BEST player on the HEAT, they WIN against DIRK and the MAVERICKS.
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    Not, “if” someone stops Dirk, and “if” someone stops the PG’s, and “if” LeBron played slightly better, they “maybe” win, and Dwyane Wade “probably” wins MVP.
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    You see where one follows logic from actual data, and the other follows guesses? That’s the difference between me and you. I look at what makes actual sense. And you just guess.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Duncan is “ball dominant” kobe is “ball dominant” you are just too proud to admit you are wrong.”

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    Let me break this down for you in english, so maybe your stupid brain can catch onto something….

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    First = Dominant: commanding, controlling, or prevailing over ALL others

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    - 2009-10 Lakers, Kobe Bryant Usage 33%, Second on his Team, Pau Gasol at 21% (that’s a 12% difference, easy to see whose dominating the ball right?)

    - 2010-11 Lakers, Kobe Bryant Usage 32.7%, Second on his Team, Lamar Odom at 21.5% (that’s an 11.2% difference, easy to see whose dominating the ball right?)

    -2006-07 Spurs, Tim Duncan Usage 29.5, Second on his Team, Tony Parker at 29.3%, Third on his Team, Manu Ginobili at 26.8% (no one ball dominant player)

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    One team, by design, features 3 players in there offense, EQUALLY..
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    One team, not by design, features 1 player, as BALL DOMINANT.
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    Ball Dominant means a player who literally dominates the ball. It’s not a player who shares it equally with his teammates.
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    Literally, you don’t understand how to look at the statistics you are trying to use. I would rather you just keep guessing. At least that won’t confuse anyone, like you have apparently done here.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok, it should be over. i don’t think there is any way to argue with what i just said to the moron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It is a team offense. But it does run through the post. It is called a triangle post for a reason.
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    i hate that i have to explain every little thing to you.
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    The offense runs THROUGH the POST. Pau, being the only post player on those Lakers teams who wasn’t selfish (other than Odom if you consider him one, even though he actually played Pippen’s Point Forward role when he was in, more than he played in the actual post. — while Kobe slid down, when either Pau or Bynum went out.) the OFFENSE went through him.
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    By offense, i mean, the triangle. The sets. Which include options, mainly cutting, and passing. When Kobe or Bynum caught the ball in the post, the majority of the time it ended in a shot. So the offense didn’t go THROUGH them, it ENDED with them. So, without being ball dominant, or actually FEATURING Gasol on purpose, the OFFENSE (TRIANGLE), ran THROUGH him. As he isn’t a ball dominant scorer, or ball dominant at all that is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol

  • pposse

    Now how can you tie all this back into your original claim?

    Lebron can and will be the only finals MVP because he is the focal pt and he is ball dominant and unselfish. Lets check out what D Wade’s usage rate is oh whats that NBK, its 29.4%? Is that so, whats Lebrons Usage Rate 30.1% is that so pposse? WTF. So now are you going to renege again??? Cause just a few posts ago it was Lebron who was ball dominant and not Duncan because Duncan has other teammates with simialar usage rates. I know damn well how to read stats, you don’t have to explain anything to me, so stop tryin to explain this story your tryin to sell when we all know its more holie than that underwear you put on top of your head and stare at in the mirror every day. GO TO SLEEP.

  • pposse

    what about the bulls, he was the best in that series too right? BS.

    No one doesnt include Lebron cause he didn’t attempt to guard him and you know this.

    A. Everyone but Lebron was unable to stop Dirk, but we don’t know about Lebron cause he never checked him.
    B. NO one was stopping the pg’s
    C. Lebron played poorly.

    Thats what the list should look like and you know it. Logically if Lebron is the best defender on the Heat he should have guarded Dirk. That’s the only logic that the coach and you don’t seem to get or neglect cause you know the got damn truth but are too stubborn to admit it.

  • pposse

    I wrote this already but I’ll write it again.

    So how does this all time into your original claim of Lebron and him definately having to be the Finals MVP no matter what.

    So ball dominant shouldn’t refer to Lebron either, but you said Lebron is ball dominant in your previous nonsensical post. But why should Lebron be ball dominant when Wade has a 29.5 usage rate to Lebron’s 30.1. Duncan is not ball dominant cause he has players with similar usage rates around him, but Lebron is ball dominant because he has a player with a similar usage rate around him. In what world does that make sense? Renege again buster. Wade has just as much opportunity to get a finals MVP as bron bron admit it. The story you are trying to sell me has more holes than your brain. I know damn well how to read a stat, you only are trying to save face at this point but can’t cover all your bases. One second the triangle is run thru Pau, the next its an equal opportunity offense, one second the spurs GO TO SLEEP.

    On a side note, i guess the chitown bulls offense was run thru Luc Longely then, haha pathetic or Rodman haha you are completely and utterly _______(fill the blank whatever way you want)

  • jfaulkner

    Micheal is absolutely correct in his assessment. It is based upon their current careers. I think many take KB’s career for granted…30k+ in points, 15x All-Star, 12x All-D team app-9 1st team(Tied with MJ 2nd all time), 14x All-NBA Team(10x 1st team app 2nd all-time) after this season he will be tied for most all-time app with 15..Take into account that like Lebron KB came straight from HS to L and at the 13th pick of the ’96 draft…How many GM’s would love to find a Kobe at the 13th pick in any NBA Draft? His value to the Lakers can never be overstated. Just like Micheal in the ’84 Draft no one ever thought either player would be the top 10 players all-time. Lebron James is a GREAT, GREAT PLAYER in any era just like the two aforementioned players but based on career achievement Kobe is Light Years ahead of Lebron James. Just think after 17 season Kobe is still a top 5-10 player and still the most dominant at his position. The only other players of his era who dominated their respective positions like Kobe are Shaq and Tim Duncan who like Kobe were the best at their position for over a Decade….Many NBA fans dont know the Game or its History because if you did then you would recognize that there is no Comparison between the careers between Lebron and Kobe…Kobe right now is a top 10 player all time. the verdict is still out on Lebron..Respect Micheal’s opinion and Respect Kobe’s Career…I only know of one 2 guard who is better than Kobe Bryant and his name is Micheal Jordan. I have been an NBA fan for over 43yrs and a Season Ticket Holder as a Knicks Fan. ..Amazing that any NBA Fan cant clearly see what Jordan was saying…Again, MJ is CORRECT
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  • pposse

    let me ask you this..why didn’t Lebron ever gurantee 7 rings when he was on the Cavs? Did he ever even guarantee one ring, or say it was his goal to win a championship over there?

    But all of a sudden he grew some balls when he goes to Miami? OR some pressure was lifted off of him from the outstanding teammates he aligned himself with? There’s a yin to every yang jo. Lebron would be insanely good playing alongside any top ten player, but he aligned himself with arguably 2 top ten ballers, and all of a sudden its only bron bron relieving pressure from everyone else? NO, thats completely one sided and not true. Wade and Bosh takes pressure off him too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    By himself without a top ten player during his cleveland days Lebron accomplished more than any of his peers did on their own. Heck without a top 20 talent to be forreal. From MVP’s to the eastern conference finals and nba finals. How far had Bosh got on his own in the post season matter of fact how long did it take after VC left town. Wade, yeah he got that ring in 06 but like Kobe shaq is what made the road to the finals ppossible. Wade just went super sayin lol in the finals. No disrespect to Wade he was for the most part of that run 1b until the end. After 06 how many first and ugly second round exits did he have without Shaq(the real Shaq). So one could easily infer that lebron could do more with shoddy team than any of them. Lebron’s whole game revolves around making things better for his teammates. After he won all those gamez took the cavs and the whole city to the top of tbe mountain he had maxed out the teams potential. Maybe if they payed as much attention to building a team as they do now he could have toke them even further. Lol if you look at a lot of champion ship teams have a hall of fame caliber duo or trio. Boston had ray ray pierce amd garnett. Lakers had Shaq/Kobe then Gasol/ Kobe. Jordan pippen. Duncan and Robinson. Dumars and Thomas. Damn the majority of the Showtime Lakers starting Five. Bird,parish,Mchale,Dennis Johnson. Moses Malone and Dr.J. Dirk and JKidd lol Shaq and Wade. Russell and Hondo annd Cousy. Wilt, The Logo, and Goodrich ? Frazier and Willis Reed, Big O and Cap. Come on man I can go on forever.it seems like Hakeem won one by himself but Drexler definitely came in hamdy for the othef one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron wasn’t the best player in the Bulls series? You do remember eho led the Heat in scoring right? assists? You do remember what happened to Detrick Roae in that series right? You did watch it right? You do remember the 4th quarters of that series right?
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    No you don’t. You are just guessing.

  • pposse

    u do remember he scored what 13 more pts than CB on a lesser fg% right while CB played lesser minutes right? you do remember they had equal rebounding numbers right? Or am i just guessing? Yeah i remember a freak guarding D Rose a third year player ONLY in the crunch. I also remember what happened in game 3 when Bosh went crazy. Am i guessing? Bron was NOT the clear cut MVP in that series, you would like to think so, but really he just did what he always does, Bosh elevated his game and became super efficient that series, flew under the NBK radar im guessing (cause thats what i like to do, i like to guess right?!)

  • pposse

    yeah but dwade is arguably the third best SG of all time behind only Kobe and MJ!! D Wade is a mega star, plus the following year after the championship he was injured, and the next year his injury still lingered on. Sure there were down years when he was losing to Boston, but you are completely showing a lack or respect for Wades game. Would Lebron have promised 7 rings if he went to Dallas and played with Dirk? Just think about it, he flexed his opportunity to play with at the time in 2010 probably the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league behind himself, and maybe Kobe depending on how you want to look at it. But your saying thats not pressure being taken off of him, and lets not forget Chris Bosh was also added to the team. it works both ways. This is no knock on Lebron i dont even think he played with a top 50 talent, but he went from the worst case scenario to the ULTIMATE scenario. There is not one scenario better than the one he put himself in by going to the Heat; maybe playing with D rose and the chicago bulls, substituting D Rose for Wade and if the bulls picked up Chris Bosh would have been a better situation cause D Rose is younger than Wade.

    The help Lebron has is astronomical, it doesn’t compare to any of those teams. Its my belief that if CB and Wade played together with a supporting cast (one that you can buy for roughly 15 mill or whatever Lebrons per year salary would be) that the Heat would be championship contenders every year; why are people blind to this??!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Rose was the Most Valuable Player in the Regular Season, but he was no match to LeBron James in this series”

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    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/27/2192955/nba-playoffs-chicago-bulls-miami-heat-derrick-rose-lebron-james
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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_ECF.html
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    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/27/2193005/lebron-james-defense-derrick-rose-miami-heat-chicago-bulls
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    Find one review of that series anywhere that says Bosh was the best player, not LeBron. And don’t come back till you do.
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    See you never jackass.

  • Peter

    Mid range shooting: Kobe

    3 point shooting: Kobe

    Finishing close to the rim: Lebron

    Free throw shooting: Kobe

    Rebounding: Tie, based on ability, kobe plays further out, I actually think kobe is a more savvy rebounder but James athleticism makes it a tie.

    Steals: Tie

    Blocking: Lebron

    Passing: Lebron

    Clutch: Kobe

    Handle: Kobe

    Post game: Kobe

    Kobe is a better player and far more creative. Lebron is more efficient and physically dominant. I agree with Jordan.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron plays more minutes captain. The usage looks similar because Wade gets a lot of shot attempts in a shorter amount of minutes. And because Assists are counted as about .33 of their actual worth, while FT attempts (each) count as .44 and FGA – TO count 1 to 1. So you being a person who understands usage can understand why Wade’s usage looks similar, despite LeBron actually being more involved in the offense. Right? So why are you playing dumb? If you are SO good with these stats??
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    Jackass

  • pposse

    stfu…you kno what im happy you took time out of your day to answer me, but like i said in my post, dwade has a high usage rate and we all know the type of player he is, he definately has a shot at finals mvp.

    You are losing sight of what the orignal argument was by making me jump thru hoops and hurdles, but i really dont have to, like i said and like its stated on your stupid stat sheet, lebron and wade have basically the same usage percantage thereby increasing the likelihood that Wade can do more with the rock if he has the opportunity to do so, and lo and behold he does have that opportunity “jackass” stop this, i would have responded to you sooner, but i just seen this. It doesnt take me more than five seconds to respond to you, believe that while you have to calculate stupid percentages, that don’t mean a damn thing. So what if Lebron plays more minutes, if he played less minutes would he be less ball dominant? Is Lebron ball dominant? I mean that was what your were orginally saying, lol he is not even 2% more usage rate than d wade. Just stuf already!!

    side note, @caboose the fish amongsnt fishes asked you to get your back, but where is he??! i suggest your morph yourself into him and say something more stupid so i can go at your alter ego.

  • pposse

    lol at the fact you try to prove yourself with an espn article. The same outlet that tried to hype up lebron since he was 17 yrs old.

    the only thing you proved to die hard basketball fanattics such as myself is that you NBK have the same credibility to us as some bs network that will do anything to make their hero look as great as can be. Lebron wasn’t guarding d rose but until the fourth quarter, he was a third year player, those are relative factors, yet you dare give me some headline talkin about lebron an 8 yr playoff veteran shutting down d rose. just stop, you are completely stretching and you know it. Like i said Bosh’s %60 percent shooting was KEY. Do you want to bring in Bosh’s defesne on Boozer the 15 million dollar man in chicago, or did you forget to cover that base too? I already told you bron scored 13 pts more than Bosh, don’t send me the stupid link to compare it, the series was over in 5 games, hence the 13 pts more that Bron bron dropped averaging out to 2 pts more per game or whatever. Again, i saw this post five mins ago and im responding to you.

    You cannot see me youngster.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Sbnation isn’t owned by ESPN ignoramus. Lol you are a class act idiot bruh

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You don’t understand what you are talking about. This is why people who either don’t understand or don’t actually watch basketball make looking at advanced stats so tedious.
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    You don’t understand. You can believe you do, like a child believes in Samta Clause, and will argue that he exists. Usage Rate isn’t perfect. No stat is. Stop focusing on them. You doing that, and not understanding what the word dominate means, is making this pathetic. You are an idiot. Or you are just overly emotionally involved in arguing with me because your feelings are hurt or whatever. But you seriously don’t understand what you are saying. And it’s frustrating as hell to read. Say whatever you want back or don’t. I’m done.

  • pposse

    go to sleep NBK. Whats not perfect is your stupid argument/ point you are trying to make, in fact, its flawed, better yet its down right false. the only thing is you don’t understand or wiling to concede that other players on the heat can be finals mvp, you think that the Heat have to play one way to win. Stupidity at its finest, that team is full of HOFers in their prime, they can change colors/game like a chameleon. It should be frustrating to know you aren’t right about this, i would be too, i mean look how much time you spent to try and refute the original point “winning a championship doesnt guaraantee LBJ finals mvp” haha that stats are flawed thats awesome, so i guess stats only work to your advantage in any debate you partake in; your logic is flawed son…insert nail in coffin here ___

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    I fail to see any evidence that Lebron is stronger.

  • Sara Wright

    Michael Jordan is right here I have
    To agree with him on taking Kobe over
    Labron( sorry but its the truth.)
    My kids,grandkids & great grandkids
    All have to admit that Kobe is better
    Than Labron.

    Michael,we are all your fans we have
    Always loved watching you play..

    ” WE LOVE & SUPPORT YOU TO THE
    FULLEST MICHAEL JORDAN & KOBE BRYANT,
    YOU BOTH HAVE ALL MY FAMILYS FULLEST
    SUPPORT!!”

    The Wright Family.
    Wright.lee88@yahoo.com

  • cheetah jones

    Me myself feel that comparing kobe to lebron at this time isn’t right; when kobe has play 7 more season than lebron..now if we compare each player by their stat of their first 7 years ,who do you think will come out on top? So let ‘s just wait until both have stop playing to compare these great players!

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