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Saturday, March 9th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  128 responses

Post Up: Age Ain’t Nothin’ But A Number

Kobe scores 41 to lead the Lakers to an OT win.

by Peter Walsh

Thunder 116 (46-16), Bobcats 94 (13-49)

One night after a grind-it-out win over the Knicks, Oklahoma City caught a break with Charlotte on the schedule and got a dub in blowout fashion. Kevin Durant scored 19 points in 23 minutes to lead OKC who separated themselves from the Bobcats in the second quarter with a 19-0 run. Gerald Henderson scored 21 for Charlotte.

Pacers 115 (38-24), Magic 86 (17-46)

Paul George scored 25 points and Tyler Hansbrough came off the bench to score 18 as the Pacers made light work of the Magic. Much like Oklahoma City, the Pacers used a big second quarter to run away from the Magic and cruised through the second half. Indiana takes on Miami on Sunday. Arron Afflalo led Orlando with 19 points.

Nets 95 (36-26), Wizards 78(19-41)

Deron Williams set a new NBA record with nine first half three-pointers to lead the Nets to an easy win over the Wizards. DWill went off for 42 points and hit 11 3′s by the time it was all said and done. Williams hit his first eight 3-pointers and matched the Wizards entire first half scoring output by himself. Reggie Evans grabbed a career-high 24 boards and Brook Lopez chipped in with 11.

Mavs 102 (28-33), Pistons 99 (23-41)

Dallas led by 15-points in the fourth quarter but the Pistons stormed back making for a tight finish. After the Pistons grabbed a 97-96 lead, Dirk Nowitzki finally woke up after a quiet first three quarters. Dirk hit back to back mid-range jumpers to give the Mavericks enough to hold on for the win. O.J. Mayo scored a game-high 22 points and Nowitzki finished with 12 points and 7 boards. Brandon Knight scored 21 for the Pistons.

Grizzlies 103 (41-19), Cavaliers 92 (21-41)

The Cavs led going into the break but the Grizzlies regrouped at the half and outscored Cleveland 32-18 in the third quarter to take control of the game. Marc Gasol led the Grizzlies with 22 points, 8 boards and 5 dimes and Mike Conley finished with a 17-point, 11-assist double-double. Kyrie Irving scored 24 points on 11-21 shooting for Cleveland.

 

Celtics 107 (34-27), Hawks 102 (34-27) F/OT

A contest between two teams currently battling for the fifth seed went to overtime where JET added another huge shot notch to his belt with the game winner. With the score knotted at 102 and under a minute left in OT, Paul Pierce drove baseline, drew Atlanta defenders and found Jason Terry with a great pass and JET took care of business with the game winner. Pierce finished with 27 points, 7 boards and 7 dimes and Terry scored 19 off the bench. Josh Smith scored 32 points, dropped 9 dimes and grabbed 8 boards and Al Horford went for 22 points and 13 boards.

 

 

Heat 102 (46-14), Sixers 93 (23-38)

The Heat trailed for three quarters then came alive in the fourth quarter to beat the Sixers and win their 17th in a row. Miami trailed 77-76 before going on a 10-0 run early in the fourth quarter that gave them the lead for good. LeBron scored 25, grabbed 10 boards and dropped 5 dimes and Dwyane Wade went for 22 points on 9-16 shooting. Thad Young led Philly with 25 points.

 

Bulls 89 (35-27), Jazz 88 (32-30)

A back and forth game came down to the final seconds and Marco Belinelli’s 3-pointer with time expiring gave Chicago the win. With Chicago trailing by one and the game clock winding down, Belinelli missed his first shot attempt but Joakim Noah grabbed the offensive board and found Jimmy Butler who found a wide open Belinelli for the corner three. Gordon Hayward had a final chance to win but his shot drew iron.

 

Blazers 136 (29-32), Spurs 106 (48-15)

Dame Lillard took advantage of Tony Parker’s absence by going for 35 points, 9 dimes and 0 turnovers to lead Portland to a blowout win over San Antonio. LaMarcus Aldridge scored 26 and J.J. Hickson finished with a 23-point, 11-assist double-double. Eric Maynor(!) scored 20 and dropped 6 dimes off the bench. Tim Duncan led San Antonio with 18 points and 8 rebounds.

 

Kings 121 (22-42), Suns 112 (22-40)

Sacramento snapped their two-game losing streak with a win over the Suns. Four Kings’ players scored 22 or more points and they were led by Isaiah Thomas’ game-high 27 points 0n 8-13 shooting. DeMarcus Cousins scored 22 points, grabbed 14 boards and dished out 7 dimes. Michael Beasley led the Suns with 24 points.

 

Lakers 118 (32-31, Raptors 116 (24-39) (F/OT)

Kobe Bryant continues to prove that he can still perform at the highest level and carried his time to victory over the Raptors. Bryant finished with 41 points and 12 assists and hit the big shots when his team needed them. Kobe hit the game-tying 3-pointer with 5 seconds remaining in regulation then exploded to the basket for a go-ahead dunk with 10 seconds left in overtime to seal the deal. Dwight Howard scored 24 points and grabbed 13 boards and Steve Nash scored 22. DeMar DeRozan scored 28 points, grabbed 5 boards and dished out 5 assists and Kyle Lowry finished with 15 points and 10 dimes.

Rockets 94 (34-29), Warriors 88 (35-28)

Chandler Parsons scored a game-high 26 points and James Harden scored 20 and handed out 11 assists to lead the Rockets to the victory. Houston is now within one game of the Warriors for the six seed in the Western Conference. Houston held Golden State to just 12 points and won the game despite not scoring a field goal over the final four minutes.

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  • Conor

    LeBron is many things, but more SKILLED than Kobe is not one of them. Back-to-back 40+/12-assist games. Masterful.

    Last night was similar to the Playoff game against Denver last season when he went off at the end.

  • Conor

    He should have had closer to 20 assists had Meeks, Jamison, and Blake made their damn shots.

  • James The Balla

    Man, before you press play on that Kobe game winning dunk video, the stance and frame of Aaron Gray is his whole NBA career captured in one moment. Terrible.

  • thereal.z

    Kobe had two amazing back to back games. What does that have to do with Lebron? Lebron is still the best player in the league. The Lakers still aren’t a playoff team, and they still needed ot at home to beat the Raptors. Insecure Kobe fans always have to bring Lebron up after a great game by Kobe. It doesn’t change anything.

  • spit hot fiyah

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/53557/courtvision-the-secret-dead-spot-of-the-nba
    pretty interesting article about shooting % at different distances from the hoop.
    Before clicking, try guessing at how many feet the lowest % in the League is from (from 1 foot all the way out to 26 feet)

  • spit hot fiyah

    Jeff green has been playing really well since rondo went down, still hard to justify that contract though

  • Max

    Exactly my tought lol

  • Conor

    Being bombarded with “LeBron is the greatest because ________” incessantly by the media when there is another dude, much older, who performs at an equal level is tiring. Kobe’s averaging 36/7/7 since the ASG.

    The only reason why Los Angeles isn’t in the Playoffs right now is because of mass injury. Also, who cares if it took OT; didn’t Miami need OT to beat the Kings only two weeks ago? You probably only had praise then.

  • Conor

    Only insecure LeBron fans would feel the need to make that statement, btw.

  • Vino

    Wonder what the stats guys gotta say bout Kobe being clutch now like nbk. Too many guys on here think they are smarter than what they really are. Don’t think Lebron is the run away best player in league anymore. Not that big of gap between Bean and Bron.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Hard to take you serious when you named yourself after Kobe’s new nickname. Really makes you look like you’re not willing to hear anything that’s not positive or glowing about Kobe. LeBron’s dominance on both ends of the floor separates him from everyone else. Kobe’s greatness now is solely on the offensive end of the floor. And he’s not even the best scorer in the league anymore. And he’s nowhere near the defender LeBron is now. So exactly how can the gap not be that wide between him and LeBron? Explain that. LeBron’s streak of 30 plus points on 60% shooting speaks for itself. Kobe has a few games where he’s facilitating well and his fans act like he’s Magic Johnson. LeBron has been doing that since he stepped foot into the league.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Only foolish Kobe fans talk the way you do after two great games. LeBron’s streak of 30 plus points and 60% shooting was more impressive than Kobe’s last two games. Plus, the Heat won all those games and are still winning. Kobe’s breaking his back trying to will the Lakers into the playoffs. Two players doing it two completely different ways. What do LeBron’s fans have to be insecure about? The proof is in his play. You should watch him play every once in a while.

  • playa

    My old man still got it& thank god Mr.Williams also ,what a triple-mania,there are better point guards than him,but NO ONE in the whole league at his position can catch fire like that,especially from three,just UNBELIVABLE!!! Welcome back Deron,please make us smile more often.

  • spit hot fiyah

    nothing like throwing up gang signs while tripping over one’s own feet

  • Vino

    The guy is a good defender but he’s not in a Tony Allen, Tim Duncan realm of defenders. Give me the most clutch player and complete offensive player in the league in Kobe any day. Biggest heart and will in the NBA.

  • Vino

    I also didn’t say anything that isn’t true. I acknowledged Bron as the best player. You came in like I made a false statement. Just tip your hat to the guy and shut your mouth.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron’s a better defender than Tim Duncan at this point in TD’s career. Are you saying you’ll take Kobe over LeBron today? That can’t be what you’re saying. What makes Kobe the most clutch today? I’d take Carmelo and maybe Durant over him right now in pressure situations. That “clutch” factor with Kobe is a little overblown. Carmelo’s more complete than Kobe offensively right now. Durant may be as well. Kobe’s not as strong or quick as Melo. And he can’t shoot over people the way Durant can and Durant’s range is better than Kobe’s. If you would take Kobe over LeBron today, you’re the one who needs to keep your mouth shut. Immediately. You said the gap between LeBron and Kobe isn’t that wide. That’s a false statement.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Yeah, so many players could have more assists if their teammates made shots lol.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Also pretty foolish to say Kobe has the biggest heart and will when there are guys in the league who have been waived multiple times, played overseas, in the D-League, but have finally found a spot in the NBA. Those guys have heart. They don’t have the talent or skill that Kobe has. But they have a lot of heart.

  • Max

    Those Warriors jerseys <<<<<

  • Max

    Lebron would have the Lakers at a better record than 500. Period.

  • Conor

    Wide-open looks, though. I mean, shooting in the midst of a void.

  • Conor

    Of course he can’t defend as consistently as he used to. Bryant’s 34 years old.

    He can shut down whomever he wishes when he focuses on it, though. Just look at the games against Milwaukee (Jennings, Ellis) and the ASG (LeBron).

  • Conor

    You and no NBA players.

  • Conor

    i. They are better than .500

    ii. He would deal with injuries to key players how, exactly? Scoring? Kobe’s already the best at that. Rebounding? What difference does two make? Making shots for his teammates? That must be it.

  • Conor

    After two great games? Are you serious? The man’s averaging 28, 5, and 6 at 34 years old; 36/7/7 since the ASG. What galaxy are you from?

  • Conor

    He’s the best player in the League. Obviously, since he’s in his prime.

    But when the best player in the League has severe difficulty dribbling the length of the court while contested, I’ll take that title with a grain of salt.

  • Max

    i. They’d have a better record than they would right now.
    ii. Defense and leadership, getting teammates involved early in the season, and KB is not the best scorer anymore.

  • The Philosopher

    I’ll tell the truth; there is no better feeling in the world than getting love from your teammates after hitting a big shot.
    Shout out to the Bulls…
    And last night was truly a testament to the undeniable greatness of Kobe Bryant. Love that man’s game. Just absolutely an amazing player. Among the last of a dying breed.

  • 23

    Lol @ bringing up the all star game

  • RKJ92

    That had to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read.. you think 2 back to back 40/12 games make him more skilled and masterful wow.. I take it you never saw LeBron’s stretch of 30 points a game and shooting over 61% for a whole month? ya guess your right Kobe’s 2 games were way more skilled..

  • RKJ92

    LMAO I Cannot believe this guy actually wrote “Not that big of a gap between Bean and Bron” omgg I’m dieing ahahaha

  • RKJ92

    No, just no. LeBron is better then Kobe’s prime or even his best season.. what makes you think now when he’s 34 is even gonna change that? Better defensively, and better all-around player, you Kobe fans are ridiculous.

  • Conor

    HaHaHaHa

    If you honestly believe that a 6’9″ man shooting layups and wide open jumpers is more skilled than Kobe Bryant, you should pick another sport.

  • Conor

    Goddamn, you’re comparing a guy who outscored an NBA Finals team by himself through three quarters amongst countless other things to a dude who just learned how to play defence, shoot, and still can’t dribble while contested nine years into a career.

    No wonder you’re a Raptors fan.

  • Conor

    Oh, and this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6Paxum3pE

    LeBron James is not capable of doing that.

  • Conor

    You’re “dieing”, eh? Kind of like how the Raptors did last night after being slain by Bean.

  • RKJ92

    First of all he’s 6’8 (clearly you should pick another sport if you don’t know your facts) and second of all if you ever even watched LeBron play a full game you would know he’s just as lethal shooting the ball as he is driving it, your just making yourself look stupid right now.

  • RKJ92

    bro LeBron drove RIGHT by Kobe at the 3 point line then Kobe had a help defender come in to pressure Bron, that wasn’t 1on1 defense that was called HELP DEFENSE which resulted in a turnover nice try though

  • RKJ92

    LeBron didn’t JUST learn that he was always an elite player.. and my home team has nothing to do with my knowledge of basketball you asinine child.

  • RKJ92

    My team isn’t good though? idc if they lose, doesn’t make me any less of a fan its not like there’s even 1 player that can guard a shooting guard on my team either because Rudy Gay is too slow, and DD, Alan Anderson, Landry Fields don’t play good enough defense to stop an offensively skilled player. But ya I am dieing because most of you Laker fans have Down Syndrom :)

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron has problems handling the ball? Do you even know who LeBron James is?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    How about 27, 8 and 7 on 56% shooting for the ENTIRE season?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Just learned how to play defense? So 5 years is a recent time period to you? Because he stepped up his defense 5 years ago. But it’s no use. A man who can’t spell the word “defense” doesn’t really need to be argued with. It’s clear what you’re here to do.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Making fun of a misspelled word when you can’t spell “defense”. Just quit.

  • Happy

    Equal level? We’re talking about the NBA right? Not a video game, but the NBA. You do realize they haven’t performed at an equal level for a few seasons, right?

  • Happy

    Shot selection is what sucks about Kobe’s game. Nobody but him and his groupies thinks it’s okay to shoot contested long jumpers over multiple defenders. Selfishness isn’t a virtue, and it isn’t smart.

  • Happy

    Yay! One whole game over .500!!! WhoooHooooo!!!

    You don’t realize how you defeat yourself when you claim a guy is arguably the best player in the league, but his team record is one game above .500, WITH DWIGHT HOWARD on your team.

    Give Lebron, Durant, or a healthy Rose the league’s leading rebounder. I guarantee their record will be more than one game above .500.

  • Happy

    Word. The Lakers had a comeback victory at home over the Raptors. That’s DEFINITELY something to brag about.

  • Caboose

    Stats guy here, wanna know what I have to say? You are an utter moron.

  • shuck

    Its stupid how fast people forget how good kobe braynt was in his prime and still is.

    He scored 4 straight games with more than 50 points (65,50,60,50)
    He had streak of 9 straight 40 point games
    Lebron Jame’s 30 point game streak is not as impressive if you consider the fact that Miami has so many weapons (d-wade and chris bosh and bunch of 3 point shooters like Ray Allen), which makes it harder for teams to gaurd lebron. Also consider the fact that a lot of lebron’s points are coming from ally-oops and breakaway dunks.
    If you watched Kobe’s recent 2 games with 42 and 12 or w.e, his single handedly carrying the lakers to victory. Teams are litterally double teaming him because there is not much of an offensive threat in other players, especially with howard not being 100%.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron’s streak was impressive regardless of how you try to discredit it. Anytime a wing player scores 30 a night and shoots 60% while leading his team to a win in each of those games, it’s impressive. More impressive than Kobe’s last two games. LeBron playing this well makes it much easier for Wade to be playing as great as he’s playing, not the other way around. You failed to talk about LeBron’s midrange shots and his 3 point shooting. Both better than they’ve ever been. Also his postgame which is better than it’s ever been. No one’s forgotten how great Kobe was during his prime but he’s not there anymore. He’s still great, but LeBron is better now than Kobe ever was because of his dominance on both ends of the floor and his ability to set his guys up. He can control games as a point guard, shooting guard or a power forward whenever he wants to.

  • Drig

    Honestly, why can’t people enjoy Kobe for what he brings and stop comparing him to others. At 34, Kobe’s a lot of things. The best two-way player in the L is NOT one of them. And there’s no shame in that. He’s not the MVP although he has had the toughest circumstances of all the contenders. Plus, he hasn’t had a great year TOs wise. However, saying LeBron’s February is better than Kobe’s streak back in the day is hard for me to agree with.

    Kobe averaged 44 points on 50% FG%, 47% 3PTFG% ,5 rebs, 3.5 ast, 2.5 steals during that stretch. The Lakers were 23-23 before that streak. The Lakers went 7-2 in that stretch with one loss coming when Shaq wasn’t in the team for some reason.

    LeBron averaged 29 points on 60% FG%, 43% 3PTFG%, 7.5rebs, 8ast, 2 steals. Now, it doesn’t take an einstein to realize that quite a sizable amount of Kobe’s attempts came from the perimeter even back in the day compared to LBJ’s since Shaq was around in the paint. Plus, scoring 15 more points is gonna have an affect on the FG% and assists stats. Miami was 29-14 before the streak. They lost only once the entire month.

    So, how exactly was Kobe’s streak any less worthy? Considering he had the additional pressure of everyone criticizing him for not doing better with Shaq out.

    This isn’t to say Kobe’s streak is better than LeBron’s. I, as a Kobe fan, understand the kind of effort that goes into being extremely efficient for a long period of time. However, Kobe’s streak was much more captivating and more varied in the way he got his points ( by choice and necessity at different points ) compared to LBJ who did it the most efficient way in an O built to his strengths.

    If anyone watches football ( Soccer for USA folks ), it’s like the CR7-Messi issue. Or RVP – Suarez issue. One player is so efficient to the point it sounds absurd while the other is much more captivating and is more of a big-time player than the former. Neither is a wrong choice.

  • Drig

    Oh yeah, as a Lakers fan, I found this game a bit troubling. Nobody could generate the O outside of the starting lineup. There was no D to speak of till Dwight showed up. We’re screwed if Pau’s not there on both ends. Clark’s hit the wall. D’Antoni’s playcalling and subs were infuriating at times. This sort of play vs the Bulls is gonna be fatal.

    BTW, could anyone check out clutch time Lakers stats as a team?? There are a lot of things the Lakers need to work on but I have enough confidence in this team to back it in close games with 5-8 minutes remaining. These Lakers have had so many comebacks its been equally rewarding and infuriating as a fan :( .

  • Drig

    I’m assuming you haven’t watched the Lakers recently. Don’t tell me you said that after you watched them man

  • Drig

    You serious??? I’m assuming you must’ve accounted for a coaching change, new players, injuries to KEY players ( Wade, Bosh,Noah, whoever is the 2nd cog ).Haven’t you seen how Howard’s play has been ALL OVER THE PLACE SO FAR THIS SEASON? Have you not seen the Lakers problems with D, Kobe included?? Do you know that Noah has been the better defensive C this season? Sigh. It’s like people just take the names and assume he’s playing at his peak………Only Vino does that ;)

  • Drig

    Pretty foolish to say Kobe’s not faced higher levels of criticism and scrutiny compared to said individuals. Plus, he’s played games injured. And not regular injuries. I mean injuries that sideline players. And he played on without skipping a beat. How many players can do that exactly?? I can count them on one hand. It’s not just the talent or skill that Kobe fans claim when they say Kobe has the biggest heart. It’s his willingness to go the extra mile when he doesn’t have to. For the sake of the team. ( and his legacy )

  • Drig

    Hard to say that when Kobe was surrounded with scrubs in his prime and went to the Finals once decent help arrived. Kinda like LeBron. Except Kobe’s teams sucked a bit more and the Lakers placed in the West, which at that point was ( and still is IMO ) a much tougher conference to play in.

    BTW, could anyone tell me the names of any other star wing players who had bad teams in their prime but proceeded to have a better team at the tail end of it???? I would like to see how it compares to Kobe’s :)

  • Drig

    I meant statistically. LeBron’s the more versatile defender. However, Kobe in his prime could be very solid defensively and blow anybody out on O. Anybody. It’s kinda like LeBron’s 85att 85def while Kobe’s 88att 82 def if that makes sense :)

  • Happy

    Yes. I’ve seen all of those things. I’ve seen Dwight still being able to produce, albeit below expectations, when he is passed the ball. That’s something Kobe has been doing for less than half the season.

    I’ve seen the so-called leader in Kobe refuse to lead by example by not attempting to play defense most nights. And while Noah may be the better defensive player this season, Dwight still leads the league in rebounding and is top 5 in blocks. Go ahead and try to act like Dwight is a total scrub, but nothing excuses the Lakers season. They sucked with Brown, and they are mediocre with D’Antoni. Injuries are part of the season. No excuse for the Lakers being what they are, which is a 9th place team.

  • Happy

    It was a Kobe fan who brought this convo up. You should be asking your fellow Kobe groupies why they can’t just enjoy the performance and leave it at that.

    And if you want to talk about Messi/Ronaldo, Messi=Lebron. Ronaldo=Kobe. It’s not a matter of either being a wrong choice, it’s a matter of who is simply the best.

  • Drig

    Wait……you’re claiming Dwight is able to produce when he is passed the ball while Kobe’s been doing that for less than half the season? I’ll give you one more chance to correct that sentence before I call you a fool.

    Kobe has gone on the record to say Dwight will be handling the defensive duties, right? Plus, Kobe’s 34. It’s not like he’s in his prime, has a great team around him but still refuses to play D.

    You’re one of those guys that would’ve picked Ibaka over Chandler last season for DPOY right? Stats can be misinterpreted. Dwight’s effort on D has been LACKING. A LOT. That’s down to his attitude issues and his recovery. He’s been rebounding well but he hasn’t been defending well, which is what the lakers hoped for when they signed Howard.

    I never said Dwight was a total scrub. I also never disagreed that it’s possible for Rose, Durant or LeBron to lead this Lakers team better than a 34 year old Kobe can to a better record. However, I’m saying its idiotic to not consider the various factors that put the Lakers in that predicament in the first place. Injuries are a part of the game?? Sure. Just tell me which other superstar’s teams has an ailing 2nd option who is recovering, has their 2nd best player off the bench out for the season, has had their 3rd and 4th best players out for significant portions of the season. Dime a dozen right?

    These Lakers might be mediocre even when fully healthy but fact of the matter is that they never were fully healthy i.e. they never had a fair chance. This might sound like an excuse since I was calling us a contender at the start of the season but I was expecting Dwight to be back to Dwight levels by Jan and the rest of the team not be hit so badly by injuries :( .

  • Drig

    You’re an idiot if you think Dwight has been producing more than Kobe per possession on O. I don’t know what the stats tell but these Lakers are dependent on Kobe to score.

    Kobe’s 34. Show me other defensive leaders who have to carry the sort of offensive burden Kobe does who are anywhere close to being near his age. Plus, he went on record to say that Dwight would take care of the team’s D. You’re barking up teh wrong tree here.

    Never said Dwight sucked on D. Said he hasn’t been consistent at all this season. Which is true. It might not reflect in the stats but I’m pretty sure everyone else will vouch for me on that.

    Never said Dwight was a scrub, did I? Just said it’s idiotic to think of this Howard as being anywhere close to the Howard we imagine when we think of Dwight. Injuries are a part of the season? Sure. It sure would’ve been nice if they weren’t the only contender who

    has their 2nd best player recovering throughout the season from an ailing back,

    their best and ONLY serviceable backup big out for the season,

    their breakout rookie ( he’s effectively a rookie ) getting an injury just when he was getting into a great rhythm,

    their first option backup PG out for almost half the season and

    their 3rd and 4th best players out for significant parts of the season with injuries and playing the remaining while being limited. This on the back of a coaching change mid-season with new players and radically different O.

    Such cases are a dime a dozen right……..My bad.

    You may be right. These Lakers might be mediocre even when they’re fully healthy. But they haven’t been fortunate enough with the injuries. I’d reserve my judgement till I see them once they’re relatively healthy if I were you. Sadly, it seems like it’ll only happen next season which is a bummer for me.

  • Happy

    Your first sentence was enough for me to dismiss the rest of your comment because you had to make up a point I never made in order to find something to say. Who the f said “Dwight has been producing more than Kobe per possession on O”? Who said that? Is English your first language?

    Who said Dwight was at his best? If you can’t address actual points made why argue? Kobe fanatics seem to want to defend every little FACT, and in doing so make themselves look bad because you literally haven’t addressed a single thing anyone here has said with distorting or adding your own parts just to have something to say. They aren’t title contenders, and it’s not because of a lack of talent or injuries. And I don’t care what reasons you give to defend Kobe’s lack of effort on D, because he gets no pass for that just like the rest of the team gets no pass for it. They are underachievers despite Kobe’s stats for his age. They are mediocre at best and nothing you said excuses it.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Every NBA player ever could have had more assists if their teammates made more open shots. Saying it as if Kobe’s the only guy whose teammates missed open shots is hilarious to me.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Scrutiny and criticism means nothing here. Talent has nothing to do with heart so it’s pretty idiotic to mention them in the same sentence. When someone says that a player has more heart and will than everyone else, it’s a pretty ignorant statement to make. When a guy who no one thinks will be in the NBA makes it and creates a spot for himself, that’s a lot of heart. What Kobe has more than most is talent, skill and work ethic. But there are plenty of guys with heart and it’s tough to say that one guy has more heart than everyone else.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    ….Kobe needed Gasol to get to the Finals after Shaq left. LeBron needed…Larry Hughes and rookie Boobie Gibson lol. Don’t try to compare the two with that. He won with Wade and Bosh, but he got to the Finals with guys like Drew Gooden and Ilgauskas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    When people say that Kobe has “carried” his team to victories the past 2 games, they do realize that Howard has put up 20/15/3/4 and 24/13/3/5 in those games.

  • Max

    And Jennings and Ellis lol.

  • Max

    Dude, give up, it are Kobe fans.

  • Caboose

    With STELLAR defense. Give Kobe his due though, he really came through in the end (of two games that should NEVER have been close).

  • Max

    Damn, 98% of Lakers fans are ruhtuwded.

  • Caboose

    Note how you conveniently left turnovers out of that Kobe stat line. Just saying Kobe has been fantastic lately. But so has Dwight (especially with regards to defense). Kobe hasn’t won these games “by himself,” but he has won the last 2 minutes of those games BY HIMSELF.

  • Caboose

    Rounding down.

  • Caboose

    Define “more skilled.”
    LeBron is better at:
    -Ball-handling
    -Perimeter Defense
    -Post Defense
    -Help Defense
    -Play-making
    -Finishing
    -Post Scoring
    -Post Passing
    -Driving
    -Efficiency
    -Helping Teammates
    Kobe is better at:
    -Mid-Range Scoring
    -Mid/Long-Range Shooting
    -Game Winning/Momentum Shots
    -Breaking Double Teams

    So please, enlighten me.

  • RKJ92

    I agree with everything but the long range shooting.. LeBron is shooting the 3 at a 0.404 clip to > Kobe’s 0.343 shooting

  • Caboose

    -whispers- I was being generous.

  • Mars

    Cocaine and Steroids. Kobe is an amazing. one-dimensional NBA athlete

  • RKJ92

    wait wait wait… are you saying Kobe’s team sucked more then LeBron’s team AND went further in the playoffs? ummm..

  • RKJ92

    lol awww god bless you, god bless you on your act of kindness!! :D

  • mtobi

    and that will be… ?

  • Mars

    Best team Defense Ever. At least he earned the other 39

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    When did I not? Just pointing out that Howard is starting to regain his form which is a great sign for the Lakers.

  • Caboose

    Very true. Kobe fans can say what they want, but the Lakers get to the Playoffs based on how Dwight plays.

  • Happy

    Those skills aren’t as important to Kobe fans as being able to take contested fadeaway threes over multiple defenders, with four teammates open.

    I guess what they mean by Kobe being more skilled is that his game, though often inefficient, appears to have a more smooth finesse to it. I do agree there. I prefer Lebron as a player, but Kobe’s game is prettier to watch when he’s on. Still doesn’t change the fact that Lebron is better.

  • Caboose

    I wouldn’t necessarily call it “prettier.” What some people see as selfishness, I’m sure many see as “dominance.”

    Kobe is the most ball-dominant player in the league and has been for a while. As a result, much of the team’s success appears to all derive from him. Since he will always be doing the most on the court at any given time (good or bad, doesn’t matter), what people remember in the aftermath is that Kobe did SOMETHING. And since the Lakers win, the natural positive feel of the win ebbs down to the one who was most active, which, 95% of the time, is Kobe, regardless of his individual performance.

    So it’s a VERY strange dichotomy: Kobe’s ball dominance on the court means that team results are attributed to him and generally, said team result is ascribed to Kobe’s individual performance. Basically, this practice follows a series of checkpoints, assuming the Lakers, let’s say, shot well in a win:

    1. What happened: Lakers shot well. If Kobe shot well, logical chain ends here. If he didn’t continue on.
    2. If Kobe shot poorly, he must have passed well. If he has a lot of assists, logic ends here. If not, continue.
    3. If he doesn’t have a lot of assists, he created plays. Here we have reached subjectivity, which CANNOT be proved nor disproved.

    No matter what Kobe’s performance was, it is possible to justify and ascribe the team’s success to him, simply by virtue of his activity (positive or negative) on the court. Such a logical chain happens for most circumstances of the Lakers. It really is a FASCINATING phenomenon that goes on.

  • Happy

    If you have to ask you shouldn’t be apart of this discussion. The four Ballon d’Ors in a row say enough.

  • Conor

    Are you illiterate? When do you see him dribbling the full length of the court when pressured? Never. Wade, Chalmers, and Cole handle those duties because he can’t. Halfcourt is a different story.

  • Conor

    You may not understand this, but there are countries other than America.

  • Conor

    Once again, America isn’t the only country in the world.

  • Conor

    A crippled Dwight Howard who only one week ago made one shot in an entire game. Fantastic analysis.

  • The Fury

    I don’t feel ya on the post-scoring thing man. I think Kobe’s better than Lebron on that aspect.

  • MrGee

    Post scoring? When did LeBron develope an offensive arsenal in the post? Jasb steps…pivots..fakes…fadeaways…bank shots…….He is clearly NOT more skilled offensively in the post. And your list is fluffed up and redundant…Driving…finishing…what good is one without the other? passing…playmaking…helping teamates….ditto.

    Kobe is more skilled offensively, LeBron is more efficient.

    There are many examples to illustrate this fact.

  • Conor

    I stopped reading at “Dribbling”. You are a comedian.

  • Caboose

    Dribbling is NOWHERE IN MY POST. My god, you really are dumb. I mean honestly, let the people who are over 13 talk now. We tend to know the things we discuss.

  • Caboose

    What on earth does “more skilled offensively” mean? That he “can do” more? Yeah, Jamal Crawford is “more skilled offensively” than Westbrook, but which one is a better offensive player?

  • Caboose

    Here’s the thing: Kobe can post up 1′s and smaller 2′s. LeBron can post up 1′s, 2′s, 3′s, and MOST 4′s. Kobe may have more moves down there, but again, LeBron’s is far more effective.

  • Caboose

    That’s such a lie.

  • Caboose

    Honestly, it’s comments like what I’ve seen today that just make me want to leave. Props to LakeShow for not joining in this group circle jerk.

  • Caboose

    Didn’t you realize you had so many NBA players in your contact list. Say hi to them for me.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Are you a complete moron? Teams don’t put full court pressure on Miami because of the fact that they have two great ballhandlers in Wade and LeBron. And because LeBron is one of the best passers in basketball so the press would be broken easily. What games are you watching when LeBron is “pressured” and he can’t handle it? And why is that single part of the game so important to you?

  • Allenp

    Equal. Ok boss

  • RKJ92

    LOL circle jerk :)

  • Allen’s

    Enjoyed that

  • RKJ92

    That was beautiful.. I feel sorry I only read this now.. :( lol

  • Dagger

    Exactly. I’ve stopped responding to most comments about Lebron or Kobe unless they say something insightful. Otherwise you’re just repeating the same damn thing over and over again, and you aren’t changing anyone’s opinion. I have no desire to be SLAM’s Sisyphus.

  • Drig

    3.2 TOs. Pretty similar to LeBron’s no (streak comparison )?? I did say he’s been having a bad year TOs wise if you meant this year.

    I agree. The way the Lakers have looked when Dwight is not on the floor ( vs Pelicans, it was painfully obvious ) on D is nothing sort of abysmal. Their defensive rating without Dwight on D might be the worst in the L or at the very least a bottom 5 one.

  • Drig

    Except that’s BS. Messi shouldn’t have gotten the last Ballon D’Or if FIFA had some balls and decided to grade every year equivalently. More individual success for Ronaldo = Ballon D’Or for Messi because of team success. More team success for Ronaldo = Ballon D’Or for Messi because of individual success. And this was in successive years.

    The Ballon D’Or has become sort of a joke the last 2 years. Plus, Ronaldo has brought greater success at teh international level with lesser team compared to Messi with Argentina.

  • Drig

    Me included? :(

  • Max

    LOL at using att and def.

  • Drig

    ” I’ve seen Dwight still being able to produce, albeit below expectations, when he is passed the ball. That’s something Kobe has been doing for less than half the season.”

    So tell me what does that mean. Kobe’s not producing when he is passed the ball for the greater half of the season? How exactly is that any different than saying Dwight has been producing a lot more consistently than Kobe has??

    I didn’t answer any of your questions? Wait, what?

    1. Kobe doesn’t inspire the team with his D : Hell yeah he doesn’t. He’s asked to carry a ton of offensive burden. Plus play heavy minutes. His D is not going to be anywhere close to average or above average for large parts of the season. However, I also said it was unfair to blame him exclusively since his present defense was expected while Howard’s struggles post-January were not by lakers fans.

    2. I did admit that the lakers might end up being mediocre. However, I’m telling you to wait and ensure that the chances of you looking like a moron if the Lakers play well next year completely disappear.

    I did put forth excuses for the team’s performance this year. However, whatever reasons I gave were legit. I’m pretty sure no other contender had to face so many injuries to key players for significant stretches but still came out unscratched.

    I haven’t started claiming the Lakers defensive woes are because they don’t respect their opponents, have I? No, Lakers have defensive woes because they suck on D. Something which can be improved if Pau replaces Jamison.

  • Drig

    While I can understand that, I don’t see how that makes LBJ more skilled. It makes him more effective. Hell, even you said Kobe has more moves down there. Also, why exactly is Kobe an inferior post passer to LBJ?? He’s an inferior playmaker when compared to LBJ no doubt. But his passing when posting up is atleast on par with him. BTW, regarding this post, are we talking about his year???

  • Drig

    My bad. I misunderstood the meaning of your post. I now understand what you mean and I agree

  • Drig

    I meant in ’06. Sigh. I didn’t mean that LeBron had better team throughout the last few years lol. I’d have to be an idiot to claim that. I meant in the 2 year stretch when Kobe was balling outta his mind i.e. in his individual prime but had a bad team that didn’t garner too much success i.e. in 05 and 06. Kobe then went to the Finals once Pau arrived just like LeBron went to the Finals once he got help.

    I can see how you came to that conclusion though. Good job with the meme.

  • Drig

    I suck at analogies. Thanks for reassuring me that all is right with me and the world.

  • Drig

    I didn’t say Kobe could lock down other superstars, right?? I said Kobe could guard his matchups and defend them solidly in his prime. Not all time legendary defensive levels. Solid. He did blow by his matchups on O. I also did say Kobe was the more versatile defender who can defend everyone. If it’s the att and def ratings, I’m sorry that I suck at analogies.

  • Drig

    Damn it, I didn’t imply that Kobe did more with less those seasons! Also, I would like to ask you one thing : Do you think the Cavs could’ve made it past the 2nd round if the same team was in the West for any year since the start of the decade? Of course Kobe needed more help. He has been playing in the tougher conference for almost the entire span of his career.

    Anyways, RK said that LBJ is better than whatever Kobe could do in his prime. I said it’s tough to say that when LBJ, in his prime ( which is now ), has a strong cast to help him out while Kobe, in HIS prime, had a team in shambles which wanted to cut costs at every corner.

    Hell, I even followed it up by asking if there was any other wing player who faced a similar situation. I thought that’d have provided enough context…….

  • Drig

    BTW, this was a purely soccer related post. Nothing to do with the Kobe-LBJ comparison that I have got drawn into.

  • Drig

    Isn’t that the same with every other team which heavily features and depends on the offensive abilities of their star player, regardless of his choice???

  • Caboose

    Definitely not

  • z

    You summed up.the kobe vs bron argument succinctly earlier; unfortunately none of the children caught the lesson you were teaching. It’s essentially a choice of which player you prefer (since both are great.players…can the lebronners at least concede that kobe’s a great player), a choice that says more about YOU and your taste in bball than it does about which of them’s better. If you prefer players who are aesthetically pleasing to watch, ballsy, and have all the skill a player could ever have, the choice is probably an easy one for you. Conversely, if you like ubermensches dominating their “competition” and playing “the right way” it’s an even easier one for you. And if you’re a genuine fan of the game like me then you sit back enjoy both while we got em and laugh at all you dumbasses that get so worked up about changing minds. You guys do realize you’re not changing anyone else’s opinions, i hope…

  • MrGee

    Right…. JCraw #29′th in the L in scoring and…. Westbrook. #6.

    perfect example.

    “What does more skilled mean”? Someone playing dumb?

    Quick…Shaq or Hakeem,.. who was “more skilled offensively”?

    By “do more” do you mean score more pts? as in the current #3 in scoring as apposed to the #4?

    Back to your wack @ss list:

    Take away Post scoring, and Post passing. Ditto “helping teammates”…you can keep “playmaking” same thing chief. Again driving and finishing what good is one withought the other? (more redundant filler) you can keep finishing. You now have 7 bullets for king.

    “-whispers- I was being generous.” The Irony…

    You gave beef
    4 bullets…

    -Mid-Range Scoring
    -Mid/Long-Range Shooting
    -Game Winning/Momentum Shots
    -Breaking Double Teams

    Now add:

    -Post scoring

    So breaking down “offensive skillsets”…LeBron is basically “more efficient”.

    Keep in mind this Kobe guy is 5th all-time in scoring pts…yeah he’ll be taking that #4 spot from some Chamberlain guy in 184 pts. Next season he’ll surpass another guy..named mike. Sigh..

  • The Seed

    When Lebron was going on the hot streak, nobody mention Bosh or Wade numbers, they were insane too. Go check them. You must really hate Kobe. LOL

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Passing is a skill. Rebounding is a skill. Shot blocking is a skill. Playing elite man to man and help defense against everyone from centers to point guards is a skill. Ask yourself how Kobe matches up to Lebron at these “skills”.

  • playa

    Let’s make things clear,kobe CAN post up almost anybody whoever is guarding him including lebron(which he did multiple times in the past) but fact that lebron is so much bigger than him make him a bit more effective but just a little bit,mind you

  • The Fury

    Aight, I understood. But I still won’t change how I thought/feel lol.

  • http://twitter.com/conorklnohara Ó hEaghra

    Kobe is the best, simple and plain.

  • LakeShow

    I agree.
    Because guys like Kobe, Durant, LeBron all show up nightly. That’s why Bosh is Miami’s most important player. As is Westbrook for the Thunder.

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