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Friday, March 1st, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  58 responses

Post Up: The Closer

Chris Paul leads the Clippers over the Pacers.

by Peter Walsh / @goinginsquad

Clippers 99 (42-18), Pacers 91 (36-22)

The Pacers were coming in to last night’s game hot, riding a five-game winning streak. But without Roy Hibbert in the lineup due to suspension, Indiana struggled and dropped a home loss to the Clippers. The Clippers had several chances to put the Pacers away but Nap Town kept coming back and wouldn’t go down without a fight. After a 13-0 third quarter run by LA, the Clippers cut the lead to seven early in the fourth. The Clippers then went on an 11-1 run while Indiana went ice cold from the floor, missing their next nine shots in a row to fall behind by 17. But, Paul George hit back-to-back 3-pointers to trigger a 13-0 run that cut the Clippers’ lead to four with 2:45 left. At that point, Chris Paul decided he had had enough and took the game over. First he hit an awkward jumper then followed that up with back-to-back buckets to push the lead to six as the Clippers held Indy without a basket over the final 2:14 to ice the game. Paul finished with 29 points, 8 assits and 6 boards, Jamal Crawford scored 23 on 9-16 shooting and Blake Griffin finished with 18 points and 14 boards. Paul George scored 20 points, dropped 5 dimes, grabbed 4 boards and had 2 steals.

Bulls 90 (33-25), Sixers 82 (22-34)

Joakim Noah had arguably the best game of his career with 23 points, 21 boards and 11 blocks to lead the Bulls over the hopeless Sixers. Chicago led the entire second half and pushed their lead to as many as 16. The Sixers did make a run in the fourth, though, and cut the deficit to four points but Nate Robinson quickly ended the comeback with a 3-pointer that pushed the Chicago lead to nine. Carlos Boozer scored 21 points and grabbed 12 boards.

Lakers 116 (29-30), T’Wolves 94 (20-35)

Kobe Bryant dropped 33, Antawn Jamison scored 17 and the Lakers continued their dominance over the Timberwolves with their 21st straight victory over Minnesota. The most incredible part of this win? The Lakers were actually laughing and enjoying each other’s company on the bench at the end of the game. Only took 60 games! Los Angeles has now won 12 of their last 17 and five of their last seven and now find themselves two games behind Houston for the eighth seed. Ricky Rubio led Minnesota with 13 points, 13 dimes and 8 boards.

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  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    23 points, 21 boards and 11 blocks………sheesh

  • spit hot fiyah

    there should be a better expression than tribble double when a player gets over 20 in two of the three categories

  • RKJ92

    Double Triple Double? Lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Joakim Noah, underrated.

  • Caboose

    The Wilt? Dude is the only guy to have a DOUBLE triple double. 22 points, 25 boards, 21 assists in 1968.

  • christianbullen

    Got Noah on my fantasy team.. somehow forgot to put him back in the starting lineup -__-

  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    Who brings more energy to their team, Noah or Faried?

  • Slick Ric

    Wilt was just on another level, love MJ, but Wilt is the true GOAT. His accomplisents will never be duplicated.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    gotta be Joakim. Faried doesn’t have that energetic personality. And doesn’t provide that frantic energy on defense like he does on the boards.
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    But both are wonderful. Let’s not get that twisted.

  • Caboose

    Oh man I wouldn’t start that… LOTS of people here get real prickly when you try to talk up Wilt (usually for bs reasons).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but mainly because it’s hard to call a guy who couldn’t beat his rival the GOAT because that doesn’t make sense. You wouldn’t call Robert E Lee the greatest general ever now would you? lol, that’s kind of how i think about Wilt. He was great. But you can’t be the greatest when you lose considerably more than you win when it matters.

  • LakeShow

    Dirk Nowitzki > Kevin Love

    Russell > Wilt

    I also think that both KAJ, Hakeem, and Shaq are better centers than Wilt. That’s it though. I think he is 5th. Just my opine.
    I understand the debate, but I think we can get too caught up in Wilt’s numbers.

  • Caboose

    Dirk vs Love is a ridiculous comparison at this point. Mostly because Love’s numbers arent all that nicer. Put it in this context: look at Love’s fg% this year. Wilt shot literally more than double that percentage. I don’t get how you can discount Wilt’s numbers when they are far and away beyond Russell’s. You can discount (a bit) his numbers vs contemporary players, but you can’t say stats mean nothing when you’re comparing guys in the same era.

  • Caboose

    Since when do you use the ring argument for establishing greatness? You are aware of their career stats vs each other right? Wilt did all he could; it was the rest of the Celts that typically beat Wilt’s squads.

  • LakeShow

    WTH…. You missed the entire point…. again.
    What’s with you really smart cat’s being dumb…

  • LakeShow

    It’s not about this years productivity. OF course. That would be stupid… They have both been injured majority of the year.

    I’m talking over the last two, three seasons.

    Dirk > K-Love. Despite Loves better numbers he’s not the best.

    Same for Wilt.

    “but I think we can get too caught up in Wilt’s numbers.”
    That does not equate to: “you can’t say stats mean nothing.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You can’t say a guy is greater than someone else when he loses even when they are more talented. Bill Russell made his teammates better. Before he even “joined” the Celtics, he watched and studied each and every one of their players, and decided how best he could help them win.
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    Bill was greater than Wilt. He was exponentially smarter. This isn’t saying Wilt wasn’t great. I never said that. I am not using the rings argument to say Wilt was any less great than he was. He just wasn’t Bill. He didn’t help his team like Bill did. And it is a team sport.
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    There is a difference between just saying RINGGGZZZZ without any context. Like the whole stupid Kobe over LeBron argument that plagued this place from 2008-2011. It’s two guys that went up against each other, both with more talented, and less talented teams. Bill won all of them but 1. He beat Wilt, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor together. You can’t really try and argue the Celtics were always more talented when Wilt lost with 2 of the 15 best players ever as his teammates. Sh*t, those three didn’t even beat that Knicks team in 1970 that featured a hobbled Willis Reed.
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    Wilt was such a great individual performer that he is a top 5 player ever. But in a team sport, where winning is king, only 2 championships in a time when your rival got 11, it’s pretty hard to say you were greater.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bryan.kennedy.1441 Bryan Kennedy

    This is still happening. Nice.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    hey, nice to see you in the old neck of the woods man.

  • Caboose

    The gap between Dirk and Love’s stats and Wilt and Russell’s is not comparable. Love never tripled up Dirks ppg.

  • LakeShow

    Oh sorry, could you pull up their block statistics for me? I’ll wait.

  • Caboose

    For Wilt and Russell? Both dudes averaged close to 10 a game in their prime.

  • Caboose

    And I do like that argument. I like the Wilt argument that’s based on sheer domination of stats (it’s good) and the Russell argument based on how he HELPED his team win, not that his team won. Every argument for them has legitimate points and counterpoints. I just side with Wilt. Taking Russell, (only as greater, definitely not better) is ok if you’ve got some good reasoning behind it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    How about this tho,
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    If Shaq only won one ring. Would you put him above Hakeem?

  • Caboose

    I put Hakeem ahead of Shaq as is….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Why?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    I would too. Hakeem brought more to the table than Shaq. One can make a great case for Hakeem being the greatest two-way player of all-time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Guess I was right in my assertion of CP being the best crunch-time player.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah? I’ll wait for the game logs. Go ahead pull them up.

  • Caboose

    I’ll let JT take it over. I’ve got a midterm today and don’t have time for a LONG debate haha

  • Caboose

    What are you trying to argue?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    except, who would you take between Bill and Wilt? because if you take Bill, i assume your reasoning for each is pretty damn similar. (aside from RINGZZZZZ)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    does JT prefer Wilt over Bill too? Cuz if he doesn’t, his opinion isn’t going to really make a difference. I understand the argument that Hakeem was better/greater than Shaq. I don’t however, understand how Wilt can be better than Bill, while Hakeem was better than Shaq.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    The Slamonline discussion rules need an update….it’s 3pm EST and some of you A.D.D. test tube babies have killed the post up comments with non-sense about near dead people you’ve never seen play before………..I might have just broken rule 1 and 2?

    How bout those Clippers huh!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL. i think you should think this out a little more.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    HEY, I’m having a Doug Collins moment here!!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LMAO. you win bruh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    I do. It’s mainly because Russell’s numbers are so pedestrian compared to Wilt’s. I mean we are talking about a career 15ppg and 44% FG shooter (we all give RMiller flack for his numbers). When it came to Playoffs, Russell did a much better job of raising the level of play of the teammates around him and there wasn’t a big drop-off in his stats like there is in Wilt’s which is why I have someone like Hakeem above Wilt in my Top-5 mainly because Wilt performance in the Playoffs fell drastically compared to his Regular Season numbers, whereas Hakeem raised his level of play in the Playoffs.

  • LakeShow

    That we don’t really know how to effectively review these two payers because the statistics and all around info is not there.
    Yes, Wilt was a GREAT offensive player, but do you think that Kobe or MJ or LeBron or Bird wouldn’t have averaged 50PPG if they shot 40FGA???

    I mean… yes his feats are impressive but so is how his team helped him arrive at those feats. I think Russell was for sure greater, and I think he has a say as the best player of the 60′s

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if we had steals/blocks and advanced numbers do you think you may change your opinion?

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    the reason i say that is, Russell started the fast break. He invented it. People say it’s Cousy, or Aurbach, which is a loud of sh*t. Russell came in, told his guys, if your guy shoots, RUN! He told Cousy to go to what we know as the hash. And he invented the outlet pass. (according to him, he was also the best at it, but that was Unseld) What he did defensively, was the Celtics offense. HE beat teams. Especially in a time when guys couldn’t really shoot. As an uber-athletic 6’9″ (but very long) Center who doubled by far, as the smartest guy on the court he contributed more than Wilt did but in intangible ways that we would only be able to begin to try and measure in today’s era. his success has to speak for his impact. at least, in my opinion.

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  • LakeShow

    BINGO

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Of course it would but let’s not act like Wilt was a slouch on D. From what I heard, he was just as good on defense as Russell.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Explain to me why you have Shaq above Hakeem?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    now now now, you know he wasn’t as good as Russell. But yeah, he’s also a top 5 defensive Center ever. LOL. it’s hard to have this conversation without making it look like you are underrating someone. I just think Russell’s impact was so profound, no amount of stats will ever over shadow it. He was a genius. Sh*t, he won two titles as the player/coach.
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    Sh!t, the only reason i even have Jordan over him is because Jordan was playing in a much much much much much more competitive era.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Well, i have each over the other.

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    i have Shaq as Greater. Hakeem as Better.

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    As you can tell, i’m big on the whole winning part of it. And nobody dominated games like Shaq, for as long as Shaq, and won like Shaq. So he’s the greater of the two.

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    Now Hakeem, skill wise, at the height of his powers wise, i’d take him. He was a better player in just about every way. But that dominance, in terms of entire teams, only lasted about 4 years. When he was physically able, it took him a while to get how to win entire games consistently, and he physically deteriorated pretty quickly once he did.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh man, someone is going to the early bird special.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you needed confirmation?

  • Caboose

    You have taken notice of Rudy right? Dude has been great down the stretch lately…just happens to be on the Raps.

  • Caboose

    That Player/Coach argument is what cements Russell as GREATER than Wilt. Not better though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He hasn’t been better than Paul. Lol, get real with yourself. Or look deeper. Or good use of sarcasm.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    Great points. I’m with you along the lines of Shaq being the “greater” player (hard to argue with his dominant Finals run from 00-02) and Hakeem being the ” better” player. I just tend to place more stock on a player being able to dominate on both ends of the floor and no one did it better than the Dream.

  • Caboose

    Haha depends what you mean by the end of games. Paul is better for about the first…47:50? Rudy is pretty awesome at those game winners.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well if you want to go just game winner route, Kyrie is the best clutch player on earth. He also leads in points per the last 4 minutes of a 5 point game.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what do you define as better? just stats w/ a slight focus on wins?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s completely fair.

  • z

    You’re speaking poetry on this topic my dude. Perfectly explained why Russ revolutionized the sport. I look at it like this: wilt, when he was smart enough to adopt Russ’ approach to the game, could pull it off in more dominant fashion than bill, hence the ridiculous dominance of Wilt’s two champ seasons. But wilt didnt put wins above all else, he played to impress ppl, so he didnt copy russ consistently enough; wilt’s ceiling was much higher

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I appreciate that, and share the exact same POV man.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Better is more of an individual thing… Greater depends on teammates and wins. Russell had some of the best teams in NBA history. And it’s not like Wilt never won… he won 2 titles. Big O is considered top 2 point guards of all time and he only won 1.

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