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Friday, March 1st, 2013 at 4:05 pm  |  151 responses

US Government Slams North Korea for Wining and Dining Dennis Rodman


Dennis Rodman’s completely insane adventure in North Korea has come to an end. And the U.S. government is none too pleased with the antics that took place. It released a statement today, putting the North Korean government on blast for showing The Worm a good time while its own people starve. (So much for “basketball diplomacy”.) Per the AP: “At Pyongyang’s Sunan airport on his way to Beijing, Rodman said it was ‘amazing’ that the North Koreans were ‘so honest.’ He added that Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung, North Korea’s founder, ‘were great leaders.’ … ‘He’s proud, his country likes him — not like him, love him, love him,’ Rodman said of Kim Jong Un. ‘Guess what, I love him. The guy’s really awesome.’ At Beijing’s airport, Rodman pushed past waiting journalists without saying anything. Rodman’s visit to North Korea began Monday and took place amid tension between Washington and Pyongyang. North Korea conducted an underground nuclear test just two weeks ago, making clear the provocative act was a warning to the United States to drop what it considers a ‘hostile’ policy toward the North. The State Department on Friday distanced itself from Rodman’s visit and his praise for Kim, saying he doesn’t represent the United States. ‘The North Korean regime has a horrific human rights record, quite possibly the worst human rights situation in the world,’ spokesman Patrick Ventrell told reporters in Washington. He accused the regime of depriving their people of food, shelter, water and maintaining prison gulags. Ventrell also took aim at Pyongyang for its grand treatment of the visiting basketball stars. ‘Clearly you’ve got the regime spending money to wine and dine foreign visitors, when they should be feeding their own people,’ he said.”

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  • 1982

    Should’ve just ordered pizza, Ventrell wouldn’t have had a problem with that. Treat a foreign guest as a guest? Pshh.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Yeah, the U.S. has such a great record with human rights.

  • Solito

    Rodman is a puppet… inviting people with no political concepts (or in this case, plain stupid) has always been a propaganda stunt of communistic regimes, with the hope that they would go back and because they have media presence would promote “oh, it is not as bad as it is portrayed by our government.” For ex. East Germany Gov. would bring over musicians and bands, allow concerts or art exhibitions from – as they would call them – “Friends of the DDR”. Guess, it didn’t really work to well…

  • Redd

    Mean while countless innocent children die right in the city of the US President. Hypocrites.

  • initbruv

    Not really comparable.

  • MUBWAR

    when a country has arm soldiers in 35 different countries around the planet and fighting a new war every 10 years they have no right to call another nation HOSTILE even if that nation is north korea

  • initbruv

    “He’s proud, his country likes him — not like him, love him, love him”…yeah they love him in the same way the people in 1984 loved Big Brother. This is some absolute madness from a dude that I always loved. Read more Rodman, that’s all I can say.

  • initbruv

    To all you people who want to act like America has no business castigating N.Korea…just stop.

  • initbruv

    So…that means what in comparison with N.Korea?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    The country that has more people living under the poverty line than ever before has no right to criticize anyone for not “feeding their own people”.

  • initbruv

    Yes you’re right, America has not done enough for the poor. Still not comparable to N.Korea. Not even close. Little known fact: the social safety net in N.Korea is just an actual net to help you drag your loved one’s body to the cemetery.

  • initbruv
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  • jaycee

    The American government has killed more innocent people than all the other nations combined. You have conducted testing on your own people (through declassified govt documents), you performed illegal hysterectomies on the First Americans up until the 60′s/70′s, I dont even need to touch on slavery. You’ve dropped the most bombs…. and you’re angry at the Worm? SMH @ you AMERICA (and the rest of the western world who loves to point the finger to shift the blame).

  • bike

    I’m guessing as soon as Rodman took off, the Kim Jon Un gang laughed themselves silly over the whole thing. The U.S. should have kept quiet…its Rodman for God’s sake.

  • initbruv

    I haven’t conducted tests on anyone so fix your pronouns. And problems of the past or even the present do not at all exempt N.Korea from criticism. America has undoubtedly done horrific things. But to pretend that we should not criticize N.Korea here and now is foolish and fake fairness.

  • jaycee

    it is. Jesus said ‘let he who is free of sin cast the first stone’ – well America (really still an extension of the british colonial regime/idealogy – despite your civil war) is about the most corrupted nation in the world. Fix up your own backyard. If you stopped your wars, you could feed your entire nation for free, give EVERYBODY jobs, have money left to build schools and hospitals all over the middle east (then you’ll get MAD LOVE from the middle east) and have more money left to feed every starving child (you care so much about) in NKOREA for the rest of their life.

  • Redd

    Aren’t you from the UK..?

  • initbruv

    “About the most corrupted nation in the world”. Here’s the thing Jaycee, it isn’t. It’s commonplace for people to take something that is true, like the fact that America’s history is littered with disgraceful characters and events, or that there is corruption in America, and deciding that they are just as bad if not worse than every other nation out there. As per your idea of giving EVERYBODY jobs, the Middle East suddenly loving us, and feeding our nation for free (whatever that means), all I can say is you would do better to see the world as it is, not in some sort of mythical hypothetical world.

  • initbruv

    No. I’m American.

  • Redd

    It is comparable…LOL.

  • Redd

    So the US didn’t commit the worst recorded genocide ever?

    Lol ok.

  • initbruv

    Not really something to LOL about either.

  • Redd

    “initbruv”.

    Could’ve fooled me.

  • Redd

    Fooled me with the ‘init’

  • initbruv

    Good catch, you’re the first one to point it out. When I made the screen name I was living in England and thought that saying was hilarious.

  • Redd

    Ohh, lol nah it’s a dope name.

  • Redd

    I’m laughing at the fact you think it’s not comparable.

    Because it’s a joke to think so.

  • initbruv

    Much obliged.

  • initbruv

    It isn’t countless children, there is an actual number of children who die from starvation in DC every year. Do you really think it would stack up to any city in N. Korea? Again, I would probably agree with you on any criticism that you might levy against America. Just think it’s wrong to pretend that America is on par with N.Korea.

  • Redd

    It doesn’t matter, I’m not trying to have a competition on who suffers more.

    But the deaths of children by gun violence in Chicago is far more than any city in N. Korea I’m certain. We have to fix our own issues before pointing fingers.

  • initbruv

    Um, Europeans from Spain, Britain, and France definitely wiped out an entire culture. Their brethren who became Americans did indeed help in that awful process. We did have a president who is still celebrated today who ordered the Trail of Tears. We did have a despicable slave trade, including our most celebrated presidents. We have bombed countless civilians and sent our young men off to b.s. wars. etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. And I’m still telling you, today, that you are being a fool by trying to defend N.Korea. All our history tells us is that we are a nation that has been governed by human beings, some of whom were terrible. Now should we list the accomplishments/positives of America? Then stack those up against N.Korea.

  • initbruv

    Yes and Americans are killing each other in Chicago, while the government is killing people in Pyongyang.

  • initbruv

    We will not ever “fix” our issues.

  • Comment_System

    Yes, except we actually have programs like welfare, homeless shelters etc., while they have an “sucks for you” policy.

  • jaycee

    Nothing mythical about the figures your government spends on tanks, planes, bombs and ammunition. Im from Australia and I hold our government with just about the same light as yours. And I meant what I said literally, if you stopped invading you literally could do all those things I listed and have change. Why not?

  • Comment_System

    you wouldnt actually KNOW the deaths of children in N.korea because they do not publicize anything that makes them look bad.

  • initbruv

    Why not stop invading? I don’t know, I don’t think we should invade countries either. And I do think that is good not only morally, but also financially. I’m just saying that you’re talking about the world like it’s simple. What is it that leads you to believe this? Is it that Bible stuff you’re throwing around?

  • roscoe

    maybe Rodman can say something to his “new friend” & make a positive difference.

    I’m calling u out Rodman… call it how it is seen & use ur celebrity 2 make a positive impact.

    its up to u BRAH

  • Redd

    Then they should call out China too? Lol, again USA needs to look in mirror first. Not like the USA didn’t start the crack epidemic which is still seeing the effects.

  • initbruv

    I will refer you back to the long list below. Both of those points are included in the etcs.

  • jaycee

    I don’t think anyone is really defending North Korea here. They subject their citizens to all sorts of dirt, while the elite get fat of the masses. We are just critical of the USA trying to play the role of referee, when they themselves do not play by the rules.

    Why can’t it be simple? Love your neighbour? simple? maybe yes. You’ll find that teaching outside of the bible too.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    It means that when other countries criticize the U.S., no one should throw a fit because it’s deserved. A country that participated in the kidnapping of a group of people from it’s native land and enslaved them and forced them to work for free for 400 years in a country that so many people think Columbus discovered (which he didn’t), has a lot to be criticized for. Not only were those people kidnapped, they had their language, religion, culture and name taken from them. And they were called dumb when they struggled to learn a language that they weren’t supposed to know or speak in the first place. Those same people are now jailed in a disproportionate number in comparison to the other ethnic groups in this country. So as far as human rights go, this is basically like JR Smith calling out Kobe Bryant for taking a few bad shots.

  • initbruv

    No it isn’t like that because Kobe Bryant isn’t threatening nuclear attacks every couple of months.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    I see you struggle with understanding analogies.

  • initbruv

    You’re a good dude (chick?) Jaycee, and I think this conversation has gone about as far as is beneficial. Good chat.

  • initbruv

    I see you struggle to give coherent analogies.

  • initbruv

    Does America’s past mean that they can’t criticize other countries that are threatening them with nuclear war? Is that what you are struggling to say?

  • z

    Snd the U.S. government is the beacon of transparency. Foh

  • hillbilly

    Meanwhile, in a somewhat related story, Arec Barrwin is steer worthress!

  • urs

    The atrocities committed by the U.S PRESENTLY are more than enough to tell any American hypocrite to sit his or her brainwashed @ss down and shut up. You think that you are in a position to talk because you are distracted enough by your celebrity and entertainment obssessed culture to see what’s really going on in this world. You don’t know a damn thing about the MASS murders YOUR military commits every day so that you can type your rosy little ignorant comments on the web. You think the U.S dirt is some thing of the past and I don’t ow whether Ishould hate you or pity you. Your government and your tax dollars, if you even have a real job, have paid so-called trrorists to incite violence in otations. You government backs world leaders who rip off and poison their own citizens so that you csn waste energy on yiour gas guzzling SUVs and . The U.S is lee ch nation that feeds on the destruction and others.

  • KevinJohsonFan

    Or you’re just too in love with the country to open your mind and understand that if the U.S. is going to criticize other countries, then they should accept criticism. And if we’re going to talk about a threat of war, we should talk about the actual wars that the U.S. has going on and the push that the country is making in Africa with more drones and the killings of innocent men, women and children all over the world. A country that is killing people every day trying to tell other countries how to conduct themselves is hilarious. A country that depicts other leaders as dictators in order to create a false narrative about them and then proceeds to kill those leaders of countries after they decide not to do things that the U.S. wants them to do has no business criticizing anyone. Period.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    It’s not just the past…it’s also the present. There’s not even a threat from the U.S. No need to threaten anyone when you can just bomb away and drone away.

  • initbruv

    You don’t have to put the word period at the end of your sentence that has a period already. The push in Africa is led by European forces (particularly France) more than American ones and is in response to a specific threat of Muslim extremists in Mali and Algeria. And who are they depicting as a dictator who is not worthy of that title?

  • urs

    *other nations

  • shockexchange

    While working on a deal in S. Korea, the Shock Exchange visited the Demilitarized Zone and looked over into N. Korea via telescope … Looked as if time had stood still on N. Korea since the 50s, while S. Korea had become industrialized. There were rumors of North Korea was struggling so badly, the people had to eat grass soup. It’s real over there Hoss > http://clicky.me/6p4Y .

  • The Philosopher

    Interesting, everything that you have just stated.
    Those points are just… some of the reasons why the United States is the absolute greatest country in the world.
    Yes, the price for its greatness is steep. But its greatness is true, undeniable, and absolute.
    As the masses watch in awe.

  • initbruv

    You can hate or pity me, doesn’t make a difference. You seem like someone who just recently listened to some Immortal Technique and decided that they understand the world now. You are literally so mad and you are typing words in such a frenzy that you are incoherent and belligerent. So you see the world clearly right? Myself and people like me are brainwashed? What are you, 16? I see the here and the now and I know about the past. Yet, unlike you it’s not all so simple for me. My original point in all of this was that Rodman was being a fool to give such lavish praise to Kim Jong Un and that people who want to say that America shouldn’t criticize N.Korea because we have done and do awful things are being foolish. Do I hate much of what the US government does? Yes. But N.Korea stands for every disgusting aspect of the worst form of government. The world is a nasty, violent place. America has a central role in that. But N.Korea is straight up disgusting. Try saying your incoherent nonsense there, see how long it takes for you to end up in a Gulag.

  • z

    The U.S. is just as ripe as any other nation for criticism. It has no koral ground to stand on. End of story. Anyone who argues otherwise is too stuoid to have an opinion.

  • initbruv

    Yes the US is ripe for criticism. So what? Criticize them. Have you read nothing I’ve said? Calm the f*ck down and read before you write. You need to rein yourself in boy.

  • z

    You are an expert on Korean culture and history? Your info is sourced from Korea? Somehow I doubt that. Sitting in an American classroom getting a one sided spin on another nation does mot an expert make you. You are from the same country where multiple states–including one thar actually passed a law– do not want so called “etnic studies” being taught in the classroom out of fear that it will incuite hatred toward whites. Arizonans cannot discuss slavery or the snatching of Mexican lands in depth because they don’t want the colored children getting mad at what their government did. The Japanese internment camps cannot be discussed. Please don’t try to educate the rest of us because you haven’t the proper tools to do so.

  • z

    Moral

  • z

    Your number is way low. That must be the number on the record.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Are you too ignorant to know that when someone says “Period” it’s not meant to replace a punctuation mark. If it was used that way, I wouldn’t have put the actual period there. It’s to suggest the fact that what was just said can’t really be argued with. I used the word “depicted” and not depicting for a reason. I used the past tense “depicted” because the man is no longer alive thanks in part to the U.S. Gaddafi. The man who dared go against the Western powers and to tried to make and keep Libya in the best place it could be in. He was painted as a dictator. He was blamed for the deaths of people that he most likely had nothing to do with. Outside forces convinced people in Libya that they needed to revolt and initiate an uprising which ultimately led to his murder. This is a basketball site. So I won’t get deep into it. But I suggest you educate yourself and read people who don’t just see America as this faultless beautiful place.

  • Happy

    Well I’m sure I’m older than you and WAAAAAAAAAAY more well traveled than you are and agree 100% with what he said. This is coming from a person born in the U.S, btw.

    Seriously, what makes you think the U.S is any better? It’s so great to have the luxury of experiencing the plight of the rest of the world through a television or the internet. Look at you, for example. The here and the now isn’t as real for you because you are in your comfort zone. The only ugliness you know of on this internet, so how dare you lecture anyone?You don’t know what the U.S government does because it doesn’t affect you. Your government is the embodiment of evil, and no better than any other.

  • Happy

    I hope one of your family members experiences the same type of greatness the U.S bestows upon the rest of the world. The only way for you to appreciate it is for you to see your kid’s school explode from a drone attack. Or to watch your mom shot dead in the street. I mean this wholeheartedly. You think it’s funny and I’d love to laugh outside of the funeral of someone you love that was killed for something like oil or diamonds. Real talk.

  • Happy

    The 800,000 Iraqi civilians your soldiers killed would beg to differ.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Incredibly stupid comment from a man who’s clearly not a philosopher. You just implied that America is the greatest country in the world because of how it manipulates situations and people? America is great because it is responsible for killing people and helping other countries kill people? You’re almost as dumb as this other dude who just said that America has a central role in the violence in the world but that somehow, it’s not as bad as North Korea because North Korea is disgusting. Well, how should America’s violent acts past and present be described?

  • Happy

    According to whom? Your government? The U.S has soldiers in most African nations, supplies weapons and intelligence to the governments who are serving their interests, and neglects anyone without land or resources to grab. Even Harvard University got busted being part of the huge African land grab, owning land taken from real Africans. Just stop. You are so naive and young it’s funny.

  • initbruv

    According to every “brainwashed” news like the Economist, NYT, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc etc. But I’m sure you saw a sweet documentary or heard an awesome Immortal Technique song that convinced you otherwise. Anyways it’s a Friday night and I’m going to go raise some h e ll. Enjoy your documentaries.

  • Happy

    All of your comments reek of ignorance. There seems to be a ‘but’ attached to anything “negative” you say, and you are relegating the atrocious behavior of the U.S to something of the past. It’s very present. People tend to get annoyed with hypocrites. Get over it, or deal with everyone coming at you.

  • initbruv

    Read every other comment where I too said that America has done much wrong and continues to do so.

  • i_ball

    To say N Korea shouldn’t be critisized is stupid. Those people really need to be freed but since there is no oil, gold or anything valuable in their land the whole world doesn’t mind. So for once the US calls it right.
    I read for cases of canibalism there a man cooked his own children for Gods sake.

    I don’t agree with any of the American wars in the last twenty as years but to wipe out the North Korean comunism (it’s not even comunism but I don’t know how to call it) would be the best call they can make.

    And Rodman is unbelievable. I don’t know how much he got paid he should have taken it – that’s money covered in blood.

  • Happy

    LOL. Did you really just type that? I mean, you seriously responded to me by naming the U.S media as your sources? That’s actually priceless. Of course the U.S media is objective.

    Little boy, do you even know how war efforts are covered? Military leaders handpick journalists who tend to present their efforts in the greatest of lights. Even press passes at every day domestic news conferences are distributed with great calculation and consideration.

    This is going to be hard for you to understand little guy, but try to read this slowly. Every country’s media is presented FAVORABLY to that nation. It is unashamedly biased, ON PURPOSE. Now you make sure you’re home by midnight. I know you have a curfew.

  • Happy

    They need to be freed from what and by whom? Is their mass slavery going on there? You have some secret inside information? I guess the Western sanctions have nothing to do with it either. You guys should just quit talking about what you don’t know about.

  • initbruv

    Actually the Economist is British. But whatever right? They’re all part of a massive New World Order conspiracy to control the world. The press is in on it, the teachers are in on it, everyone is in on it. Just like people that are brainwashed enough to think that Bin Laden had something to do with 9/11. What fools right? I mean, sh*t have you seen what’s on the masonic seal on the dollar bill? Right? They got blinders on everyone in America. But you are smarter than that. You and the guys who made your favorite documentary know it. Like I said, Happy, I am going to go enjoy my Friday evening. Wish you would have been around 4 hours ago when I started talking about all this so you could tell me all the stuff that I’m being hidden from by the massive coverups of the Leviathan. Keep your head up sir, keep an eye out for black helicopters.

  • Happy

    The West’s blatant disregard for anything not greedy and capitalistic is not limited to the U.S., and lots of terrorists are CIA contractors whether they know it or not. The fact that you think it’s conspiracy is what’s so funny. There really isn’t anything secretive about it, and you’re pretty pathetic for taking everything you read and hear at face value. It’s like a little kid who doesn’t know they have a douche for a parent and gets upset at all the people telling them what their naive little ears don’t ever want to believe.

    I’m actually in a part of the world where U.S helicopters killed quite a large amount of innocent people, but you go ahead and continue to educate me while you do what most intentionally ignorant Westerners do. You continue to think you know anything and continue watching your tv, smart guy. All of us experienced, traveled folks will ignore what we see in person.

  • Happy

    The elites in America get fat off the backs of the masses there too. But Americans have the NFL and the NBA and the Kardashians to make them feel free. That’s the difference.

  • Happy

    Threatening to respond to sabotage and outside attacks is exactly what any nation is obligated to do. The U.S has a lot of balls deciding that the people who they don’t agree with shouldn’t have the same weapons to defend themselves that the U.S or Israel is likely to use on them. They’re saying the same thing to the U.S that I’d say to any man trying to tell me how I should run my household: Go F)ck yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Are you seriously only able to defend your argument by using the ad hominem fallacy? That’s sad. Open you’re eyes, man.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    I think our main program is called federalized prisons.

  • B15

    So enlighten us. What is North Korea really like?

  • Comment_System

    Nobody said it was you moron

  • Slick Ric

    You’re making too much sense for him KJF

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You’ve mentioned Immortal Technique more than once…do you have an issue with him because of the truth he speaks? No one else brought him up. So why did you?

  • The Philosopher

    One comes to a conclusion on their reality based on what they have experienced, and what they have been through…
    That being stated, you haven’t any idea of what I’ve been through. Or what my family has been through.

  • The Philosopher

    I did not say that the USA is great based on how it manipulates situations and people. It is great because, it DOES manipulate situations, and people. It does not matter how it is procured.
    I will ask this, sir;
    To what country do people go to, to escape? To escape scud missiles. To escape the Bashar al – Assads of the world.
    Where do peasants go when they tire of feeling like a peasant?
    Where can a peasant become more than a peasant? The United States of America. The only place on Earth to where these dreams are possible.
    There is an idea that is called the American dream. I am sure you have heard of it…
    As a matter of fact, many people have heard of it, and they yearn for it. And they go there to get it at all costs.
    And to answer your last question;
    The blood of the peasant is not solely on America’s hands. It is on the hands of humanity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    I fail to comprehend. Nobody said it was you, moron? Nobody said what was me?

  • pposse

    and just a few weeks ago i was the one that needed to look in the mirror..i see you now

  • initbruv

    Neither do I. You guys aren’t reading my comments are you? You’re just deciding what you think I wrote and responding to that. What am I doing trying to talk to a bunch of basketball fiends about other sh*t. My bad. How bout them Lakers eh?

  • initbruv

    Right. Nobody is coming at me ad hominem.

  • initbruv

    The Economist isn’t on tv. Nor is the NYT. I don’t even have cable you goof ball. God I can’t do this any more. You Immortal Technique, documentary intellectuals can’t keep up. You just keep inventing arguments that I’m no making. Can you even say nuance?

  • initbruv

    “Military leaders handpick journalists who tend to present their efforts in the greatest of lights” right, while armchairs activists like you and your favorite documentary maker sit in your rooms typing things up, they’re actually out there trying to bring some truth to the world. You’re as bad as those people who think scientists are all in a conspiracy to make us think global warming is real. They are doing the best they can while you and your documentary makers do nothing.

  • initbruv

    I like Immortal Technique. But he isn’t saying anything any history book can’t tell you. In fact he goes too far with all that conspiracy s**t. The only people who “learn” things from him are people who didn’t read enough to begin with.

  • initbruv

    “All of us experienced, traveled folks will ignore what we see in person”. Jesus. Why am I even trying with you?

  • MUBWAR

    loool

  • initbruv

    You’re just a typical person who thinks they have some sort of clarity because they’ve realized that the US government is full of sh*t. Good job, you have figured out something that every 16 year old has. I get it, you think you are smarter and more clear headed than those of us who read and so forth. That’s fine. Your kind is common and typical. But you are generally worthless when it comes down to it. You don’t understand the world and you don’t know your history. Your knowledge is selective and, frankly, weak. I don’t think you are smart because you watched the latest documentary. Stick to basketball, politics is too complicated for you. Let the grown ups try to figure out what to do while you enjoy the benefits of America while castigating it as an evil empire in the meantime.

  • Darksaber

    So, sent those alimony payments with the money you made from this trip yet, Worm?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    In lieu of this “initbruv” guy’s blatant racist stupidity, here are some ACTUAL FACTS about North Korea. Wow that guy is a f*cking idiot.

    – The literacy rate in North Korea is 100%, on par with Canada and the
    United States and higher than hundreds of nations including South Korea.

    – Education is FREE and COMPULSORY for a minimum of 11 years; by comparison, education is free and mandatory for only 6 years in South Korea, after which parents must pay for their kids to go to school. The number of universities in North and South Korea is also roughly the same.

    – North Korea has more doctors per 1000 people than the United States, Britain, South Korea, Canada, and Japan. Healthcare is FREE and universal there.

    – They rank second in the world with most hospital beds available per 1000 people, behind only Japan (and slightly higher than South Korea, which is third).

    - In 1946 North Korea passed the Law on Sex Equality, which emphasized equal rights for women in all spheres (including the workplace), free marriage and divorce, and equal rights to inherit property and to share property in case of divorce. It ended arranged marriages, polygamy, concubinage, the buying and selling of women, and prostitution. I’ll repeat: 1946. By comparison, it took Canada until 1968 to pass its first Federal Divorce Act, and the UK until 1973 to pass the Matrimonial Causes Act. Before that, their divorce law (which they shared) was heavily sexist in favor of men.

    By the way, I got most of these stats from American sources like CIA World Factbook. Some of you are brainwashed as hell, seriously.

    All of these achievements, despite the fact that literally ALL infrastructure in the North was destroyed in the Korean War by the US, when the entire United Nations (aka the European imperialist countries) invaded them. The US also supported an actual fascist regime in the South, led by Syngman Rhee, who slaughtered between 100,000-300,000 civilians and scattered them in mass graves for so much as having Commun!st sympathies. This event later came to be known as the “summer of terror.” In fact, in South Korea, there were twice as many Korean political prisoners (22,000) than there ever were during the JAPANESE OCCUPATION OF KOREA DURING WWII.

    As for the actual war, around 2 million Koreans died because of it, soldiers and civilians alike, with the North suffering around 3 times the number of deaths as the South. An additional half a million Chinese were killed. All of these atrocities, despite the fact that MOST Koreans opposed the partition of their country into North and South (North Korea actually still wants re-unification–it’s the South, taking orders from America, that doesn’t). Let’s not forget that the the US also came VERY close to dropping the atomic bomb on China and Korea… yet it has the nerve to f*cking whine about North Korea developing nukes! Un-f*cking-real!

    As for this “they can’t even feed their own people!” BULLSH!T, that’s because of sanctions, you f*cking idiot. US/EU/UN sanctions are nothing but an act of warfare that stupid liberals accept because it means not risking the death of your precious white soldiers. US sanctions murdered 500,000 children in Iraq, according to UNICEF… but yeah, it’s totally North Korea’s fault that the US has been sabotaging their entire economy, that they’ve had some of the worst natural disasters in the last 20 years, and that their biggest trading partner, the USSR, collapsed and abandoned them. Makes perfect sense… If you’re a f*cking racist jerk-off.

    Yeah, North Korea is a relatively poor country. But their struggle in dealing with their hardships, and their sense of egalitarianism in doing so, is nothing short of inspirational. Seriously, it’s like most of ya’ll got your facts on Korea solely from “Team America World Police” and George Orwell novels.

    So yeah, the US has NO right whatsoever to criticize North Korea, and they have EVERY right to develop nucle@r weapons. Go f*ck yourself, “initbruv.”

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    don’t worry Happy, I just posted a comment that straight up annhilated that fool. Not sure how long it’ll take to show up, but yeah. This is just a test comment to see if my comments show up at all.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh yeah, also: The DPRK had a higher standard of living than South Korea up until the 1980s. Their economy was hit hard in the early ’90s due to the collapse of the Soviet Union, but also due to American-led sanctions (who else?!) which led to widespread famine killing hundreds of thousands of people.

  • Redd

    Wow we’re in agreement..damn you.

  • Redd

    Exactly

  • Redd

    Agreeing with you again..wtf.

  • Redd

    I think simply pointing out how in the US we celebrate a day for a man who used child prostitution for profit envelopes why your stance is so wrong.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m kind of angry today, so I’ll just own initbruv some more here.

    Who is threatening whom here? Actually, the US has
    repeatedly threatened to use nukes on North Korea since the Korean
    War… In fact, since 1946-1980, there were only 15 instances of
    countries threatening to use nukes on each other. EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE
    WAS BY THE UNITED STATES. LMAO.

    The only other country to do so during that
    period was the USSR, and it only did so twice, against the US–while the
    US also threatened to nuke them.

    Since then, the US has
    threatened to nuke North Korea at least a few more times, including recently, i.e. within the last few years. It also holds
    military drills along the North-South border with South Korean troops
    every year, in direct provocation of North Korea. I mean, your military literally f*cking occupies South Korea, just to contain North
    Korea and keep it under constant siege. Yet this “initbruv” dumb f*ck
    actually has the nerve to accuse North Korea of threatening people???

    The
    only country in the world ever to actually USE nuclear weapons is
    criticizing a country for developing nukes, and people like initbruv eat
    that sh!t up and parrot the same racist, pro-imperialist arguments.
    You couldn’t make this sh!t up. This is something straight out of
    dystopian fiction, only it’s reality… and idiots like initbruv probably form
    most of their opinions on other soc!alist nations based on fiction like “Animal Farm.” The only actual knowledge of North Korea he has is from watching 30 Rock and Team America.

    Just give up, initbruv. All your bullsh!t has been thoroughly debunked.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wow @ initbruv. Who is threatening whom here? Actually, the US has repeatedly threatened to use nukes on North Korea since the Korean War… In fact, since 1946-1980, there were only 15 instances of countries threatening to use nukes on each other. EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE
    WAS BY THE UNITED STATES. The only other country to do so during that
    period was the USSR, and it only did so twice, against the US–while the
    US also threatened to nuke them.

    Since then, the US has
    threatened to nuke North Korea at least a few more times. It also holds
    military drills along the North-South border with South Korean troops
    every year. It occupies South Korea militarily, just to contain North
    Korea and keep it under constant siege. Yet this “initbruv” guy
    actually has the nerve to accuse North Korea of threatening people???

    The
    only country in the world ever to actually USE nuclear weapons is criticizing a country for developing nukes, and people like initbruv eat that sh!t up and parrot those same racist, pro-imperialist arguments. You couldn’t make this sh!t up. This is something straight out of dystopian fiction, only it’s reality… and idiots like initbruv form
    most of their opinions on other nations based on fiction like “Team
    America” and “Animal Farm.”

    Just give up, initbruv. All your bullsh!t has been thoroughly debunked.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    One more thing: the LAST COUNTRY in the world who should be talking about f*cking “gulags” is the United States, which is literally the biggest police state in the world and has the largest prison population in the world by FAR (both total prisoners and incarceration rate). 1 in 4 prisoners in the world is someone in the US. You have people being sentenced to life for selling marijuana in the US! Unbelievable. Interestingly, weed happens to be perfectly legal in North Korea and an accepted part of society, especially amongst soldiers (this is an actual fact, look it up).

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    You are the LAST person in the world who should be talking about f*cking
    “gulags.” The US is literally the biggest police
    state in the world. It has the largest prison population in the world by
    FAR (both total prisoners and incarceration rate); 1 in 4 prisoners in
    the world is someone in the US.

    We don’t accept your criticisms of North Korea because A) They aren’t true, and B) Yes, I know it’s hard to believe, but your country and your government is FAR f*cking worse and a MUCH bigger threat to the rest of the world. It’s probably blasphemy for wh!te amurrikkkans to be told that they aren’t better human beings than people of color, though, so I’ll give you some time to recover.

  • initbruv

    -Aid agencies have estimated that up to two million people have died
    since the mid-1990s because of acute food shortages caused by natural
    disasters and economic mismanagement. The country relies on foreign aid
    to feed millions of its people.

    -More than a quarter of young children are chronically malnourished.

    -The totalitarian state also stands accused of systematic human rights
    abuses. Reports of torture, public executions, slave labor, and forced
    abortions and infanticides in prison camps have emerged. A US-based
    rights group has estimated that there are up to 200,000 political
    prisoners in North Korea.

    -Output per head is over 17 times larger in the South than the North.

    -South Koreans stand 3-6 inches above North Korean
    contemporaries stunted by famine and malnutrition.

    -Recently there have been increased defectors. Television shows and films smuggled in on memory sticks confront North Koreans with the potentially revolutionary fact that their brethren in the South live in comfort and plenty—and without the fear of a knock on the door at midnight. They discover that the Workers’ Utopia is built on a Great Lie.

    -N.Korea is based on totalitarian “military first” mobilization, is maintained
    by slave labor, and instills an ideology of the most unapologetic
    racism and xenophobia.

    -Even in the days of communism, there were reports from Eastern
    Bloc and Cuban diplomats about the paranoid character of the system
    (which had no concept of deterrence and told its own people that it had
    signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty in bad faith) and also about its
    intense hatred of foreigners. A black Cuban diplomat was almost lynched
    when he tried to show his family the sights of Pyongyang.

    -North Korean women who return pregnant from China—the regime’s main ally and protector—are forced to submit to abortions.

    -Wall posters and banners depicting all Japanese as barbarians are only equaled by the ways in which Americans are caricatured as hook-nosed monsters.

    -The United States and its partners make up in aid for the huge shortfall in North Korea’s food production, but there is not a hint of acknowledgement of
    this by the authorities, who tell their captive subjects that the bags of grain stenciled with the Stars and Stripes are tribute paid by a frightened America to the Dear Leader.

    -Many of the slogans employed and displayed by the North Korean state are borrowed directly from the kamikaze ideology of Japanese imperialism. Every child is told every day of the wonderful possibility of death by immolation in the service of the motherland and taught not to fear the idea of war, not even a nuclear one.

    -The people of N.Korea are not allowed to make comparisons with the lives of
    others, and if they complain or offend, they are shunted off to camps that—to judge by the standard of care and nutrition in the “wider” society—must be a living hell excusable only by the brevity of its duration.

    -When viewed by satellite photography at night, it is an area of unrelieved
    darkness. Barely a scintilla of light is visible even in the capital
    city.

    -From Christopher Hitchens: “Unlike previous racist dictatorships, the North Korean one has actually succeeded in producing asort of new species. Starving and stunted dwarves, living in the dark, kept in perpetual ignorance and fear, brainwashed into the hatred of ]others, regimented and coerced and inculcated with a death cult: This horror show is in our future, and is soghastly that our own darling leaders dare not face it and can only peep through their fingers at what is coming.”

    -Visiting Westerners view people cutting grass with scissors to supplement their food rations of 1,000 calories a day, or of the gulags like Camp 15 and Yodok, a complexthat houses 50,000 prisoners.

    -Even defectors admit to being so brainwashed from a very early age that they still cannot bring themselves to criticize their leader.

    -There is an actual, literal fashion police.

    -More than a quarter of young children are chronically malnourished

    But yeah, America’s done stuff too. No biggie.

  • initbruv

    Nothing has been proven or dis-proven. Because you guys agree means nothing. It just shows that I’m talking to a bunch of basketball junkies about real life.

  • initbruv

    None of the sh*t I wrote will change any of your minds. I just want it on the record that you are all f*cking insane. Leave it to a bunch of pampered Americans to think that North Korea is no big deal. Just keep reading the paper (though according to you documentary watching types that is all just Western propaganda) and remember what I tried to tell you.

  • jaycee

    cannabalism? in America they are allowing product lines developed from aborted foetus cells to be sold on every shelf in your supermarkets. You guys have taken adulteration to a whole new level.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh please, cut the “totalitarian” bullsh!t. The US spends as much as the rest of the world combined on its military, and has the largest prison population on the planet–which I said previously. You have also the most racist “justice” systems in the world: Black people make up 10% of all drug users in America, yet roughly 40% of all people arrested for drug crimes. You don’t get to talk about “totalitarianism” or “police states” or “militarized regimes.”

    Yes, we get it, their people are facing malnourishment. It’s highly American of you to blame them for “economic mismanagement” when they are being sanctioned, the same sanctions that I JUST SAID killed 500,000 Iraqi children. It’s called imperialism–maybe you’ve heard about it?

    There are stories of South Koreans defecting to the North, as well as North Koreans who defected to the South and then re-defected to the North again, because they were treated like sh!t in the South.

    And f*ck Christopher Hitchens. He also championed the invasion of Iraq, a SECULAR Arab country, in the name of fighting off Islamic fundamentalism. It doesn’t get any more disgusting than that. Wh!te liberals j!z their pants over any “rebellious” journalist who criticizes the US while not full opposing imperialism. It’s called maintaining your privilege.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Basically, we’re insane because we refuse to believe that North Koreans are demons and that the US, by default, can’t be worse than its “enemies” (really its victims).

    In other words, we’ve committed the sin of *gasp* saying that white people and white countries aren’t superior to people of color and their societies.

    The sh*t that you wrote is just that: absolute sh*t. It’s not changing our minds because what you’ve said is A) untrue B) basically a defense of imperialism, and blaming colonized countries for their own poverty when they’ve been attacked and plundered by YOUR country C) just flat out stupid. Like, UK Daily Mail stupid… “Fashion police”? Let me guess… you also believed the story about a government official being executed for drinking while the country was mourning for Kim Jong Il, right? LOL.

    Next you’re gonna tell me North Korea’s president throws babies out of incubators. Wait… that was a lie told by the clearly infallible Western media about Saddam Hussein, to justify the sanctions that killed 500,000 children. Only an id!ot like you thinks that kind of logic is justifiable. You are sick.

    You can have your George Orwell novels and your other infantile liberal-left circle jerk writers like Christopher Hitchens. No thank you.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    “The totalitarian state also stands accused of systematic human rights
    abuses. Reports of torture, public executions, slave labor, and forced
    abortions and infanticides in prison camps have emerged. A US-based
    rights group has estimated that there are up to 200,000 political
    prisoners in North Korea.”

    Accused by whom? By the US? The US also accuses Cuba of the exact same things, actually, and Cuba has better healthcare and education indicators across the board. The US accuses every anti-imperialist country of these same things, actually. The irony is, of course, that there are more people imprisoned or under some sort of correctional supervision than there ever were in ANY gulags of ANY soc!alist country, ever.

    Most US-based “rights groups” are basically imperialist missionaries. That is, they play the same pacifying role of putting on a human face for Western white atrocities as Christian missionaries during the European conquests not too long ago. Hell, NGO’s are directly funded by the US State Department via the National Endowment for Democracy (NED–an oxymoron if ever there was one). So yeah, your argument is, yet again, moot.

    Your entire argument boils down to wealth… if you’re a wealthy country, you automatically have a better human rights track record than countries that are poor. This is nothing but a classist, privileged wh!te male argument, through and through.

    And lastly… how DARE you expect North Korea to acknowledge US “aid”, as if they should be THANKFUL that your country has been f*cking laying siege to them and the root of their poverty and starvation? I guess Africa should be thankful for Western aid too, even though they live in the richest continent on Earth while having been enslaved and plundered for hundreds of years by the West, which continues today. They should just shut up because the kind wh!te mastuhs gave them aid, right?

    Seriously, I don’t even need an argument for that one. F*ck you, you f*cking d0uche bag.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    just to clarify, I typed that kinda hastily and might not have been clear enough:

    Cuba has better healthcare and education indicators across the board *than the United States*.

    And: there are more people imprisoned or under some sort of correctional supervision *IN THE UNITED STATES* than there ever were in ANY gulags of ANY soc!alist country, ever. Also, the number of black people ALONE, in prison or on parole/probation, exceeds the number of black people enslaved during the 1800s.

    Thanks for the condescension, though. You’re very good at that. Would you like to share anymore nonsense for me to debunk?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    “It just shows that I’m talking to a bunch of basketball junkies about real life” = “I was given facts, but cognitive dissonance is a h3ll of a drug”

    You can stop playing that “you guys know nothing outside of basketball” card already. We’re all on the same basketball site, talking about non-basketball related issues here. Why you think you’re superior on this forum is beyond me… although the racist and imperialist drivel you’ve displayed in your comments gives me insight into your logic.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    You said: “The totalitarian state also stands accused of systematic human rights abuses. Reports of torture, public executions, slave labor, and forced abortions and infanticides in prison camps have emerged.”

    Torture:
    Guantanamo Bay which is literally an island of torture, CIA detention centres in foreign countries to bypass
    laws that prohibit torture, and widespread torture of prisoners through
    the largest network of solitary confinement in human history. Seriously, you could even just Wikipedia “Torture and the United States”… CHECK.

    Public Executions:
    -
    Drone strikes that have killed 4000 civilians in Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc., included more than one instance of killing people at wedding parties. The “double-tap” is a FAMOUS, FAMOUS move by
    the US military, whereby they purposely strike a second time to kill the
    people at the rescue scene. Also, two American citizens were killed in
    these drone strikes, and now domestic drones are FULLY LEGAL.
    -
    Police literally dropped a f*cking bomb on the MOVE house in Philly, which was in the middle of a residential
    neighborhood, killing entire families.
    - One of the largest police manhunts in history, in which
    Christopher Dorner was burned alive, and three cars full of civilians
    were shot at by the LAPD just for driving a similar-looking pick-up truck.
    - In fact, every 36 hours, one black person is murdered by a police officer or self-appointed vigilante without trial.
    Hmmm… CHECK.

    Slave labor:
    - Umm… how about hundreds of years of actual f*cking slavery?!
    -
    Privatization of prisons and prisoners making less than minimum wage.
    Basically prison factories. Many of these “slaves” young black
    males–coincidence? CHECK.

    Forced abortions and infanticide:
    -
    Between 1929 and 1976, 7600 people (!) were forcibly sterilized in North
    Carolina alone! 85% of those people were women and 40% were people of
    color. America, land of the “free,” home of the eugenicists! CHECK.

    Sounds a lot like the United States to any critically thinking person, actually. Not North Korea, unfortunately for you and your entire argument.

    That isn’t to say that North Korea is perfect, or that people there don’t have any legitimate grievances (as they do in all countries). Just that, you know, your criticisms aren’t so much “criticisms” as they are pure venom that justifies atrocities that FAR, far worse than anything North Korea would ever be capable of.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LAST THING: And the crap you wrote about North Korea being xenophobic and having an “intense hatred of foreigners” and wanting to lynch black people? Another absolute lie. It’s possible that there are ignorant people in Korea (like in all countries) who dislike foreigners, which should be condemned, sure, but to say that the country is *founded* on the principles of xenophobia and isolation is a lie. Plain and simple.

    For instance, while the US was supporting apartheid in Africa, North Korea provided DIRECT material support to the ANC, the black revolutionaries who were fighting the racist apartheid government of South Africa (and who eventually won, thank God). North Korea also provided assistance to black Zimbabweans (then known as “Rhodesians” after the mass murdering colonizer Cecil Rhodes) who were fighting a war of liberation against the racist wh!te-minority government of Ian Smith. And finally, they also aided the MPLA in Angola who were liberating themselves from the Portugese.

    This was one of the most important and revolutionary periods for Africa, and one of the most important victories against colonialism in the world. North Korea also provided substantial aid for the Arab resistance to apartheid Israel. North Korean pilots flew planes on the Arab side during the Yom Kippur War.

    You know what all that’s called? It’s called internationalism. Hardly the signs of a “xenophobic” country. But sure, you’re absolutely right, they hate everyone who isn’t Korean and are basically Nazis, the way you describe them. That’s totally why they helped African countries overthrow their colonizers. Or it could be that you’re just really, incredibly, obviously wrong.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I seriously think, as initbruv’s later comment confirms, that most Americans’ opinions about soc!alist countries or other “rogue states” comes from fiction–movies and books, “Animal Farm” in particular–than anything of actual substance. “Knocks on the door at midnight,” “Fashion police,” ” “Having to smuggle USB drives into the country showing videos of South Koreans living a better life”, “camps for people who say one word criticizing the government”… I mean, are you freaking serious? Who the hell do you think you’re fooling?? Yeah, totally, every prisoner in North Korea is there for political reasons, because we all know in soc!alist countries NOBODY commits any real crimes. They only imprison people for being really really nice, loving horses, giving good foot massages, and wanting a better life for their families. Sounds legit cuz I read about a fictional pig named Napoleon who unleashed havoc on all his fellow farm animals.

  • shutup

    Too many long a$$ comments wtf, didn’t even know a comment needed me to click a tab to “read more”

  • MikeC.

    This is the only comment that cannot be disputed

  • i_ball

    I think you would like to be born and raised in a federalized prison than in a town in N Korea.

    It’s just stupid to compare the two countries. I am sure one state in USA throws away more food that the N Korean people eat.

  • i_ball

    No I don’t. But since a lot of countries have been “freed” (Afganistan, Iraq, Kosovo) and in all those the situation for the people was much better I can’t see a reason why the people who rule N Korea haven’t been whiped out – makes sence to me…

  • danpowers

    lol too funny. not only that the usa is the biggest police state in the world as other comments stated already here, but how well are the poor doing over there? some of them really deserve their fate by electing republicans and strenghtening that party on the political stage. but how many people are struggling over there due to their “perfect system” having a few people live in luxury and wealth getting richer and richer why the majority of the people is working their a*s off for literally nothing, often still having to worry abouthow topay rent and send their kids to school properly.

  • danpowers

    so far there was only one government in world history who was rogue and evil enough to actually drop a nuke bomb on civilians…

  • Max

    Holyyyyyyyyy shiiieeeeeeeeeeeettttt!!!!

  • Max

    Looks like someone dropped a nuke in this comment section.

  • initbruv

    We are a socialist country, you realize that right? Every western nation is a hybrid between capitalism and socialism. So don’t try to make this an Animal Farm, 1950s argument about the perils of Communism. That’s not what we’re talking about. And obviously the things that I’m bringing up aren’t things that I am pulling out of my a**. These are from reports from journalists who have written about their own experiences there, or from defectors who tell us what life is like. If you don’t want to believe it, that is fine. Just settle down, all of you. You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with the information that I have that to me comes from reliable sources. Everyone has their people/sources that they trust, and they often are in direct conflict with other sources information. And don’t give me that “think for yourself” nonsense in response, at some point you have to just try to get accurate information that informs your opinion. I think that I have, you think that I haven’t. Big deal, welcome to the real world. Calm down Teddy, for Christ sake, calm down.

  • initbruv

    Wow, you are upset about me referring to N.Korea as a totalitarian state? I mean, we are just in two different worlds of reality. And due to the fact that you seem to be saying that you do not trust western journalists, which I guess means that you don’t read the paper or trust anything in it, we really don’t have anything to talk about. I get almost all of my news either from the NYT, the Economist, and the Salt Lake Tribune. You, like those who get their info from sensationalist documentaries, Fox News, or conspiracy theories, are in a different realm of information that holds no water with me. Like so many arguments these days, this is pointless because we do not accept each others’ sources as legitimate. So take a breath….now take another one…try to learn to control yourself…and enjoy your weekend.

  • Lorne

    I co-sign Happy. Anyone who defends the kinds of atrocities the U.S. commits, or tries to minimize them deserves to through that which they defend. Its only real until it’s real. Whatever you have been through, no one cares unless it equals or exceeds the pain of the things he spoke of.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Ah yes, the “conspiracy theory” line. None of what I’ve presented is in the slightest bit controversial. Western economists were actually quite astounded by the progress made by DPRK in the 1970s.

    FOX News? Are you serious? When has FOX News done anything other than promote imperialism and American/wh!te supremacy, which is the exact thing that you’re doing right now? You’re not only a condescending dipsh!t, but also incredibly dishonest. Wow.

    The US government actually does acknowledge the free healthcare and universal literacy in North Korea by the way… hence why CIA World Factbook presents those statistics.

    This is more wh!te supremacist nonsense–you’ve clearly been debunked, and now you’re trying to frame this discussion to be about “sources,” as if I got my information from f*cking Alex Jones, and you got yours from the most respected scholars on earth. As if you’re more “educated,” and because we don’t agree with your pro-imperialist whitewash, we must not be smart enough to “read the paper.” Lol.

    So it’s okay if you lie, and slander North Korea, because you “read the paper” without critically thinking. You can’t pinpoint any concrete evidence to attest to what you’re saying besides some NYT articles in which unnamed “defectors” described some generic acts of brutality. Did you know that in the case of Cuba, Cuban defectors are actually given rights and privileges and assurances not available to any other immigrant group, so as to entice them to leave?

    Next you’re going to tell me how the Dalai Lama paints an accurate portrayal of Tibet because he too “defected” from there.

    And yeah, please tell me how reading daily newspapers make you better informed about HISTORY, and the historical context that shapes our events today?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Um yes, I am “upset” (more patronizing wh!te man’s bullshit) that you
    refer to North Korea as a totalitarian state, because that’s a term that
    carries with it no substance whatsoever. It serves no purpose other
    than to elicit knee-jerk, sensationalist revolt against people who
    present actual evidence in defense of the DPRK.

    In fact, can you
    even define “totalitarianism” for me without using google? Is it a
    militarized state? Is it a state where people’s actions are monitored?
    “Knocks on the door at midnight” (LOL)? You know, the US is the most
    militarized state on the planet; according to the UN, less than 10% of
    what it spends on its military could end world hunger. The US monitors
    people’s actions on the Internet, goes through people’s mail, and plants
    undercover FBI agents within radical/activist circles–as demonstrated
    by COINTELPRO and the PATRIOT Act. And lastly, stop-and-frisk searches
    by the NYPD sounds a lot like “knocks on the door at midnight.” Sounds pretty totalitarian to me.

    It’s a stupid word, and if it was, in fact, something real, no government would be better called “totalitarian” than yours.

  • initbruv

    I’m a history major so I get my history from books and I get my news from newspapers. Weird right? And how do you expect to have a rational conversation when you keep losing your temper and arguing like a child who has to use name calling to get his point across. You think I don’t want to call you all sorts of sh*t? I slip into it sometimes but it’s always unacceptable. Grow up, you live in a world where everyone disagrees with each other. You might as well learn not to sh*t your pants when you hear opinions that you disagree with.

  • initbruv

    Well they don’t allow for civil society. They have one ruling party which represents everyone’s interests that it believes deserve representation. That one party controls all aspects of society. That is what is meant by totalitarian. It isn’t a synonym for bad.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Your patronization toward me and other commenters here, along with your racist demonization of North Koreans, is far more offensive than me calling you out on being a condescending dipsh!t. Telling the black commenters below that they should “read more” instead of getting their info from rappers like Immortal Technique–that wasn’t racist? That wasn’t offensive?

    There is no rational conversation when you use blanket statements like “totalitarian” and say blatantly false things like “America is socialist.”

    And yeah, I totally don’t read books, I don’t use books as sources, and my sources totally don’t read books either. I don’t follow the news ever. Makes perfect sense.

  • initbruv

    Totalitarian is not a blanket statement, it’s a specific form of government. And I apologize for being offensive and for being being patronizing. You’re right. But saying that I’m racist for saying that you guys sound like you get your info from Immortal Technique isn’t racist. Nor is criticizing N.Korea. And I like Immortal Technique even though I don’t agree with him about a lot of things.

  • initbruv

    btw how am I supposed to know who is black and who is white?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Totalitarian is not a form of government, and it’s not a specific word, at all…

    Totalitarianism came into public consciousness with a book by Hannah Arendt, called “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” that tried to equate communism with fascism, and argued that the only “non-totalitarian” ideology is liberal capitalism. This, despite the fact that fascism IS itself a form of capitalism, and despite the fact that the socialists were the ones who defeated fascism in Europe.

    Despite the fact that in liberal “democratic” societies, capital literally IS totalitarian–more than any “dictator” or “one party” could ever dream of being.

    http://theredphoenixapl.org/2009/09/10/the-myth-of-totalitarianism/

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    That is a good point, about not knowing people’s races on here. We’ve had conversations like this before on SLAM and some people revealed their ethnicities. I guess you weren’t there. And I don’t actually listen to Immortal Technique.

  • initbruv

    I was looking through my comments and you’re right that I was a bit of a dick. I’m not expert on anything. And judging from what you wrote we probably agree on a lot of things particularly about America. So my bad.

  • jaycee

    sorry to say, but your history books are full of lies, and news limited publications dont count as journalism.

  • jaycee

    no. In all those situations it is far, far worse. Millions dead, more corruption, more fear, more lawlessness. You know every morning during call for prayer the USA blasts heavy metal throughout whole towns…. thats after the war has ‘finished’ they carry on with psycological warfare… also they chemically tip bullets, so now in IRAQ there are record numbers of Leukemia as a direct result of this action – still birth defects in vietnam to this day due to the USA’s chemical warefare program. Open your eyes up bruh for your own good.

    Its all about the money bro, USA doesnt want to ‘free’ anyone.

  • The Philosopher

    You are precisely correct. Which is why I asked Happy that question. And I ask you, as well;
    How do you, or Happy know that my family, my friends, or myself have not been through any or all of these maladies?

    Different situations affect different people in different ways.
    And for you to seemingly suggest that anyone in any walk of life deserves to go through any of those things for any reason, is quite becoming.
    In my opinion.
    It has a tinge of a superiority complex, and it sounds as if you are suggesting that your estimation is the accurate estimation. When determining the difference in severity of one’s hardship.
    And it is, in my judgement, especially becoming of you to also suggest that you would necessarily know what another member of our brethren would, or would not care about. When concerning what one may have been through in a particular moment in time.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I appreciate that… I also think I went a bit overboard in insulting you. tbh I was fed up with all sorts of other little sh!t yesterday so I took it out on you. That probably wasn’t entirely fair on my part, so I’m sorry about that. You aren’t the first to talk bad about North Korea either–and I’ve been fed up about it with LOTS of people–so to single you out specifically like that was not in great taste, I’ll admit. Have a good weekend.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    How do you know Rodman doesn’t have any political concepts? East Germany invited many revolutionary socialists from other countries, not just “musicians”–and why can’t musicians and athletes have political knowledge? Paul Robeson was an actor and musician and was a key figure for African justice in the US; he also happened to be a Communist who admired Stalin, and visited (I’m sure more than once) the USSR.

    MANY African-American artists like Robeson were adamant socialists who admired the Soviet Union. LANGSTON HUGHES, for example, wrote poems in dedication to Vladimir Lenin and the USSR in the battle of Stalingrad. Look up “Good Morning, Stalingrad.”

    And the Black Panthers were huge admirers of Kim Il Sung and People’s Korea, and upheld them as a model for colonized people seeking liberation (as Africans happen to be internally colonized in the US). Che Guevara also saw North Korea as an inspiration and a model that Cuba should follow, or at least learn from.

    Lastly, East Germany had a higher overall standard of living than West Germany for decades.

    Basically, you’re talking out of your @ss… As if Western capitalist countries don’t CONSTANTLY cultivate defectors to smear socialist countries. The Worm is the man; you seem to be the one with “no political concepts”, and frankly sound “plain stupid”.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    What the actual f*ck are you talking about? Iraq had one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East before the US “liberated” them. They were a secular Arab country with full rights for women and free healthcare and education, and some of the most advanced infrastructure in the Global South. The US destroyed their entire nation and children are still suffering birth defects from nuclear weapons (depleted uranium shells) dropped on them.

    Read this article on Afghanistan to see just how much Afghanistan has been “freed.” As recently as 1998, the US paid for the ENTIRE SALARY of every single leading Taliban official.

    You sir, seriously need to stop talking out of your @sshole.

    http://www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan%20story%20untold.html

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Props for your good sense, jaycee.

  • initbruv

    Do you get notifications for comments made to you on here?

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