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Tuesday, April 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm  |  70 responses

Jay-Z May Renounce His Partial Brooklyn Nets Ownership to Become a Sports Agent


News broke this morning that Jay-Z—in collaboration with sports agency CAA—has founded Roc Nation Sports, an agency that will provide representation for athletes. The company’s first client is New York Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano. The story also notes that Jay-Z has interest in becoming a sports agent himself, but in order to do so he’d have to give up the small percentage he owns of the Brooklyn Nets. Via ESPN: “New York Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano, who is in the final season of a $57 million contract, has left agent Scott Boras to sign with a company founded by Jay-Z. Roc Nation, an entertainment company founded by Shawn Carter, also known as Jay-Z, announced Tuesday that it is getting into the sports representation business through a partnership with Creative Artists Agency (CAA). This arm of CAA will be known as Roc Nation Sports, which simultaneously announced that its first sports client is Cano. … Sources say Jay-Z himself is planning to be a certified agent, first in baseball and eventually in basketball and football. In order to represent clients in basketball, he would have to give up his small share of the Brooklyn Nets. Jay-Z has always had a love for sports, but his passion grew through the Nets ownership and his 40/40 high-end sports bar in New York, which over the past nine years has become a hangout for athletes.”

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  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    This might be the funniest headline that I have read in a long time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Talk about expanding your market.

    Started from the bottom now he’s here….

  • The Mauve Avenger

    Hip Hop legend, Roc-A-Fella founder/CEO, actor, discovered several artists (including: Rihanna, Kanye West, J Cole, Rita Ora) 40/40 club, Ace of Spades endorsement, Def Jam CEO,Timberland endorsement, Roc Nation, Clothing line, signature cologne, BEYONCE, daughter, Brooklyn Nets partial owner, 2K13 soundtrack executive producer.. I ate cereal off a plate this morning.

  • Aint Dat Da Troof

    Or not. He basically killed his original market just to get a new one. Dude retired from rap on top, came back and has sounded horrible on 99.9% of all songs (if you are a young cat this may not make sense to you, but compared to when he was a true hip-hop artist, he sounds horrible), owns .111111% of the Nets and walks around in skinny jeans and sunglasses trying hard as hell to be friends with NBA players. He wanted a sista but ended up marrying a girl who (due to their lives being enslaved by media market value) wants to be white so bad she can’t see straight. Damn shame, lost one form the game.

  • onU

    Master P tried to be an agent. He is credited with negotiating the worst contract in NFL history. Ricky Williams would advise against hiring rappers as agents. Just saying’.

  • pposse

    dont you need to pass the bar to really be considered a top of the line sports agent?

  • SirGrey

    Master P played for the NBA.

  • SirGrey

    Lol givin’ up on those Nets early..

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Comparing Master P to Jay Z is like comparing Harold Miner to Michael Jordan.
    Don’t be that guy.

  • Anthony Dixon

    lol i have my quarells with the illuminati puppets as well but Beyonce trying to be white?

  • fruizm

    I majored in sport mgmt thinking I would be like Jerry McGuire…in reality, a sports mgmt degree only gets you a ticket account executive position haha.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Not really. I mean, even if your agent is a lawyer, he’s still going to hire lawyers to check out the contract anyway.

  • ChosenOne

    “Well, I ain’t passed the bar but I know a little bit.. enough so you won’t illegally search my sh*t”.

  • pposse

    haa i had that coming..very nice

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    I’ve heard all of Jay-z records from Reasonable Doubt all the way until Blueprint 3 (BP1 is literally my favourite album of all time).

    His new stuff isn’t that bad; BP3 was great. He has adjusted to the times as needed. He can’t keep rapping about the same sh*t forever.

    And what does it matter if the girl he married is white, black, martian, or Asian? She’s hot, talented, and intelligent, and can take care of herself, What’s there to hate on?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    He’ll rap his way into a negotiation.

  • shawnkemp4prez

    For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
    Mark 8:36

  • onU

    Master P isn’t broke by any means. Jay-Z has professionals negotiating his contracts. Athletes should do the same. Jay-Z, like Master P, is a rapper. Nobody is comparing rap skills. Hop off his sack. Don’t be that guy. You’re too old for that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and it isn’t even false!!!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You do realize Jay-Z isn’t stupid enough to think he can actually negotiate the deal, like Master P was tho, right?
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    And you realize the amount of money Master P has is a pittance compared to Jay-Z right?
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    Maybe it’s not Harold Miner to Michael Jordan, but it is something like Michael Finley compared to Michael Jordan.

  • onU

    No I don’t realize that Jay-Z isn’t stupid enough to negotiate on his own. Just like I don’t know what makes him think he’s a sports agent. Care to give me insight? And also, in regard to sports, what is Jay-Z the MJ of? Do you have knowledge of prior sports negotiations by him that are so successful? I’m failing to see how my skepticism is unwarranted.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Again, comparing the moves Jay Z made in the rap game to Master P is like comparing Harold Miner to Jordan. But, since I’m old, let me breakdown the analogy.

    1. Master P took advantage of record labels’ inability to properly gauge the value the Southern market. Companies thought it was a safer investment to make a very minimal upfront investment and let the rappers do all the work in exchange for keeping their masters. This was a huge mistake.
    Both Master P and Jay Z negotiated remarkably similar initial record deals with their parent companies, although P had more control initially.

    2. Master P then leveraged his new deal and flooded the market with subpar albums that made tons of money, but also greatly diminished the value of his brand. He also rushed out subpar clothing lines, cell phone companies and a sports management group. He was hit with widespread reports of screwing over his artists to advance his own career, and his empire eventually collapsed in spectacular fashion.
    He has had some small scale roles on kiddie tv and Dancing with the Stars, but his cultural relevance is limited.

    3. Jay-Z’s rap career got off to a much slower start, but he capitalized on his big break with Volume 2, and rode it to similar success with subsequent albums. He also made smart decisions to sign marketing deals with companies he would then provide free marketing in his songs. He also started his own clothing line, but unlike P paid attention to the market and produced clothes that were more in line with common taste.
    He also wisely avoided activities that might damage his “brand,” and while he also had beefs with former employees, he managed the subsequent message so that those squabbles tended to improve his credentials. Despite being old as dirt, and nowhere near as talented as a rapper, he’s maintained relevance with a brand new generation.

    To drive the analogy home, Harold Miner and Master P got a lot of hype but didn’t have the skillset and acumen to create longevity. Jordan and Jay Z, while flawed in their own right, did have that skillset and ability to read trends.
    Do you get it now?

  • robb

    Yeah. Jay Z- isn’t stupid. Period.

  • robb

    I see it like this: The guy’s name’s a brand, him becoming an agent is more him starting a sports agency business. The guys you mentioned negotiating his contracts? he’s gonna have the same team of experts backing him up, helping him and his clients getting the best deals possible.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron owns a sports agency. You know that right? You think he, without even a college education (and legally, no actual grounds to negotiate an NBA contract) sees himself as literally a sports agent? It’s literally the exact same situation, except Jay-Z is a rapper. Not a basketball player.
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    We aren’t comparing Jay-Z to Jordan in the world of sports. We were comparing him to Master P, in the world that they respectively come from.
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    Having Jay-Z as the name on your sports agency is like having Oprah on the name of your talent agency. Having Master P’s name on there is like having Wendy Williams as the figurehead for your talent agency.
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    One has a name big enough, and check book big enough, to garner the best of the best, while supplying them with the best of the best in terms of guidance.
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    The other is taking a stab at a new field to try and find a way to increase their fortune.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Stupid is subjective. There are situations where Jay-Z would surely be seen as stupid. Just like there are these situations for any of us.
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    My view on intelligence has changed drastically in the last week. Sorry to get on a little tangent.

  • LP

    Percy made one freethrow in a summer league game!

  • http://twitter.com/LuisBrownish Luis Moreno

    I like how beyonce was in all caps. That alone is a major accomplishment.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    No, it’s Harold Miner. People forget how popular Harold Miner was. Hell, he even has a lasting legacy with the dunk he did where he brought the ball down between his legs and dunked backwards.
    Miner is to Jordan what P is to Jay Z.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    He is old as dirt, hasn’t put out a double platinum album in years, and still managed to secure a massive deal from Live Nation to do tours and such.
    Think about the level of salesmanship that required.
    He managed to convince Beyonce, who is rich in her own right, to marry a man who looks like Joe Camel. Again, think about the saavy.
    Finally, he convinced Budweiser and Dell to give him millions to be associated with Kingdom Come. KINGDOM COME!
    If that doesn’t convince you, nothing will.

  • onU

    1. Not a single thing you’ve posted is teaching anyone anything at all. Unless you are over 40, spare me the “I’m old” talk. I’m probably closer to those guy in age than you are, and I definitely don’t need anyone who probably just turned 30 telling me about guys from my own era.

    2. Who was even comparing what they did in the rap game? Aside from them both being rappers who think they’re sports agents, I’m not sure what prompted you to write an essay on your personal opinion on how those two came up. Nothing you’ve posted provided any proof, or possible proof, of Jay-Z’s prowess as a sports agent. Nothing. Your Jordan/Miner comparison does nothing for the topic at hand. Nothing.

  • onU

    So according to your logic, if you have massive success in other areas you will succeed in one that is totally unrelated? Particularly in the field of contract negotiations, when he doesn’t even do his own? And let’s face it, everyone has failed business deals along the road. It’s how one succeeds. The Armadale thing wasn’t a success. I’m not arguing that Jay-Z isn’t smart or rich or successful. I’m arguing that it may not be a smart thing to allow him to negotiate a sports contract when their are people well trained who specialize in it.

  • onU

    So Lebron himself negotiates contracts? Lebron is a sports agent? I’m trying to see what point you are trying to make. My dad owns an auto shop and a barbershop. He’s neither a mechanic nor a barber. I’m talking about actually being an agent, which Lebron isn’t so he’s irrelevant to the discussion. I’m saying that I wouldn’t personally let Jay-Z or any other rapper negotiate my contract. Or anyone else outside of the field for that matter.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    are you messing with me? like you can read right?

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    “LeBron owns a sports agency. You know that right? You think he, without even a college education (and legally, no actual grounds to negotiate an NBA contract) sees himself as literally a sports agent? It’s literally the exact same situation, except Jay-Z is a rapper. Not a basketball player.”

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    What in there, at all, is hard to understand?

    - is it the phrase “literally the exact same situation”….?

    - is it the parenthesis “legally, no actual grounds to negotiate an NBA contract”…..?

    - is it the question “you think he sees himself as literally a sports agent?…?

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    nothing about that says, or implies LeBron negotiates contracts. it all says and implies that he, just like Jay-Z, is the owner of a sports agency, but in no way does he negotiate contracts, as previously stated, “You do realize Jay-Z isn’t stupid enough to think he can actually negotiate the deal, like Master P was tho, right?”

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    and reiterated, “”literally the exact same situation” – “legally, no actual grounds to negotiate an NBA contract” – “you think he sees himself as literally a sports agent?”

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    i don’t see what’s hard to understand.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, i guess. i just think, considering Master P has experienced substantial financial success, while Miner accumulated a whopping, $5,290,000.00 over the course of his entire career, he’d be more like Silk the Shocker than Master P.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    You compared Master P to Jay Z in terms of their ability to negotiate a deal and manage a career.
    I provided you with an explanation of how each has negotiated a deal and managed his career.
    And I said I was old BECAUSE YOU SAID I AM OLD.
    You are funny.
    What do you think sports agents do? Do you think they read through and parse every contract? Do you think they have some special knowledge of how things work?
    Nah, for the most part they are influence traders. They are people who can get people to make deals. If Jay Z has shown anything over his career, it’s that he’s adept at making deals.
    Again, Harold Miner achieved minor celebrity for his dunking prowess, in much the same way P achieved respect as a business man for the deal he negotiated with Priority. However, as the years rolled by, neither of them had staying power.
    Jordan and Jay Z both proved to have staying power after their initial success. Therefore, assuming that because Jay Z and Master P are both rappers having either of them negotiate a business deal for you is the same is just plain stupid. It ignores their track records and the way they achieved success. I can’t break it down any more.

  • onU

    Since my last comment didn’t posts, I’ll re-write it.

    “The story also notes that Jay-Z has interest in becoming a sports agent himself, but in order to do so he’d have to give up the small percentage he owns of the Brooklyn Nets”.

    Now unless you have some inside scoop with Jay-Z to refute the article, I don’t really care what you think his intentions are. It is very clearly stated that he has interest in becoming an agent himself. If you missed that part or didn’t read it to begin with, then try reading before giving your opinions on what you think he wants to do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh i see. ok here, the reporters, or people writing stories, they can write words that lead to a conclusion that isn’t the whole truth.

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    Jay-Z, as the owner of the agency is (obviously) a part of the business. And for his business to get it’s foot into the NBA door, he, as the owner, would have to surrender his interest in the Nets because he, as the part-owner of the Nets has a vested interest in player movement/negotiations (a conflict of interest)

  • onU

    As opposed to you, who only writes what you know is the truth? Like, you know positively if Jay-Z wants to just be an owner of an agency and not an agent? I don’t need you to break down in your own personal opinion something you didn’t even know was written in the first place. Go read the article, stop being a know-it-all, and you’ll appear only have as obnoxious as you’re being now. Him owning the agency and him being an agent himself were two separate issues, and that’s exactly how is is stated above. Stop it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Roc Nation, the entertainment company Jay-Z founded in 2008, is launching Roc Nation Sports, a sports management company that will partner with another leading agency, Creative Artists, to represent the famed ballplayer.” – http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/02/news/companies/jay-z-sports-agent/

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    “While the former agent/client partnership between a major rapper and athlete (Master P and Ricky Williams), adding CAA to the fold give Roc Nation and instant credibility that No Limit Sports never had.” – http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/04/02/jay-z-robinson-cano-new-sports-agency-roc-nation-caa/2045753/

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    “It’s not as if the team that will be negotiating for Cano after Boras is inexperienced, like the much-hyped partnership between Ricky Williams and rapper Master P’s No Limit Sports, which resulted in one of the worst contracts in sports history.

    Through Roc Nation Sports, Cano also will be represented by CAA Sports’ baseball group, which says it has negotiated $1.1 billion worth of deals, including four contracts (Ryan Braun, Matt Cain, Ryan Zimmerman, Buster Posey) that exceeded $100 million, in the past two years alone. CAA also represents soccer superstarsCristiano Ronaldo and David Beckham.” – http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9124684/robinson-cano-new-york-yankees-switching-scott-boras-jay-z

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    See, i didn’t just read one article. I read a bunch of them. Oh, and I also know what it takes to be a Certified Agent.
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    Jay-Z will need to complete a college education, or gain sufficient experience taking part in contract negotiations for this to happen.
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    So he right now, HE CAN’T LEGALLY NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS, and as the owner of Roc Nation Sports, CAN’T LEGALLY REPRESENT NBA PLAYERS.
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    Which is why, if you click on the second article, that CAA is keeping separate from Roc Nation in some areas.
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    I feel like i need to clarify. Jay-Z can be present for negotiations. He can even sign his name on the paper. But he can’t be the negotiator, and he can’t be the person to review the contract for legal purposes. As of right now, he is a high profile name. And that in itself, is more valuable then he will ever be as an agent.

  • onU

    I noted that another rapper had failed at negotiating a SPORTS CONTRACT. End of story. No one asked you to add your personal opinions on their rap careers. I said you’re too old for what you were doing, which was basically idol worshipping. Show me where I said you “were old”. No one asked you to break anything down. That’s what you are missing. Nothing you’ve posted has changed my mind doubts on why Jay-Z should be negotiating sports contracts. Nothing, because you are talking about things only you brought up. Master P isn’t as famous now. So what? How does that change anything about Jay-Z’s ability to do a thing that he hires others to do? Does fame equal ones ability to negotiate a contract?

  • onU

    And how does any of that prove that Jay-Z has no interest in becoming an agent himself, which was your point right?

    You said: “You do realize Jay-Z isn’t stupid enough to think he can actually negotiate the deal, like Master P was tho, right?”

    I don’t know enough about what goes on in his head. That’s the difference between me and you. You act like you know things that you cannot possibly know without hard statements from the individuals themselves.

    And legally, there are no laws stopping anyone from negotiating a contract. Gaining certification is necessary in order to be recognized as an agent by both the leagues and unions. There are no laws in any state forbidding the negotiation of a contract, but there are rules and regulations by private entities to govern such interactions with individuals

  • Perry the PlatyPteranodon

    I dunno, the money in his pockets maybe?

  • trevor

    Few people have put out double platinum albums in the height of digital music. Major pause for judging dudes looks too. If you think he’s ugly, you must think some dudes are attractive.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    eventual interest? sure. he has eventual interest in becoming a certified agent. i believe the various article’s even say explicitly that.

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    but that doesn’t mean he’s an actual negotiating agent today. – you compared it to Master P, who literally tried to negotiate deals himself. I was just making it clear, that Jay-Z was not doing that.

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    What is hard to understand?

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    Why in the world did you type this? “And legally, there are no laws stopping anyone from negotiating a contract. Gaining certification is necessary in order to be recognized as an agent by both the leagues and unions. There are no laws in any state forbidding the negotiation of a contract, but there are rules and regulations by private entities to govern such interactions with individuals” – nobody is talking about just negotiating a contract in the world. i negotiate contracts every day of my life except Saturday and Sunday, i don’t need a lesson on common law.
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    we are talking about negotiating contracts in Major League Baseball, and the National Basketball Association. Where you DO have to be certified.
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    talking about the outside world of contract negotiations is a fallacy. that’s like me focusing on whether or not you are using the internet legally, and whether or not it’s right for you to have this conversation.

  • onU

    I never said he was negotiating a contract today, or tomorrow for that matter. My point is that I wouldn’t want a rapper negotiating a contract at all, and I provided a precedent as to why. You’re the one who brought up the “debate” as to whether or not he’d be doing it himself.

    You wrote in caps that it wouldn’t be legal to negotiate without being certified. It would be against the rules of specific private entities but not illegal. You chose the wording. I had an issue with it. And to get specific, it isn’t the league’s themselves that require certification of those individuals negotiating contracts, but rather the unions themselves.

  • onU

    I never said he was negotiating a contract today, or tomorrow for that matter. My point is that I wouldn’t want a rapper negotiating a contract at all, and I provided a precedent as to why. You’re the one who brought up the “debate” as to whether or not he’d be doing it himself.

    You wrote in caps that it wouldn’t be legal to negotiate without being certified. It would be against the rules of specific private entities but not illegal. You chose the wording. I had an issue with it. And to get specific, it isn’t the league’s themselves that require certification of those individuals negotiating contracts, but rather the unions themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Two things
    1. Why do you think it’s that difficult to negotiate a contract? It involves either reading the contract yourself or hiring someone else to read it. More importantly, most athletic leagues greatly limit the deviations that can be made in a contract. They use boilerplate language that does not vary. In fact, when Master P screwed up Ricky Williams’ contract it was because he DID NOT use the standard boilerplate language everyone else used. You can even obtain copies of other people’s contracts to help design your own deal!
    2. Being rich and successful is often about forging relationships with the right people. Jay Z clearly already has those relationships. It makes sense to believe he would be able to leverage those relationships in a new field. After all, the players do well on the field, Jay Z leverages their performances and his relationships to secure deals on and off the field.

    It’s really, REALLY not rocket science.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Two things
    1. Why do you think it’s that difficult to negotiate a contract? It involves either reading the contract yourself or hiring someone else to read it. More importantly, most athletic leagues greatly limit the deviations that can be made in a contract. They use boilerplate language that does not vary. In fact, when Master P screwed up Ricky Williams’ contract it was because he DID NOT use the standard boilerplate language everyone else used. You can even obtain copies of other people’s contracts to help design your own deal!
    2. Being rich and successful is often about forging relationships with the right people. Jay Z clearly already has those relationships. It makes sense to believe he would be able to leverage those relationships in a new field. After all, the players do well on the field, Jay Z leverages their performances and his relationships to secure deals on and off the field.

    It’s really, REALLY not rocket science.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Two things for you.
    1. I didn’t say he was ugly, I said he looks like Joe Camel. That is a statement of fact, not a statement of value.
    2. I’m a grown man fully secure in my manhood. If I want to say another man is ugly, i will say another man is ugly.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Two things for you.
    1. I didn’t say he was ugly, I said he looks like Joe Camel. That is a statement of fact, not a statement of value.
    2. I’m a grown man fully secure in my manhood. If I want to say another man is ugly, i will say another man is ugly.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Why do you think sports negotiations are so difficult? Do you have any knowledge of the qualifications of most agents? How they go into the business? You should look into it man. It’s not a hard business to get into. It’s more difficult to be successful in, but not hard to get into. I say you look up what it takes to qualify as an agent. Here are the rules for the MLB, I’ll let you use the magic Google Machine to get the rest:

    To become certified by the MLBPA, a prospective agent, recruiter or service provider must first:
    • Be designated by a Major League Player as his representative, or by a certified agent as a recruiter or service provider;
    • Read, understand and agree to all MLBPA Regulations Governing Player Agents, and
    • Submit a completed application for certification along with a non-refundable $500 application fee.

    No tests, no degrees. I swear, people are easily convinced of other people’s intelligence and qualifications.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Why do you think sports negotiations are so difficult? Do you have any knowledge of the qualifications of most agents? How they go into the business? You should look into it man. It’s not a hard business to get into. It’s more difficult to be successful in, but not hard to get into. I say you look up what it takes to qualify as an agent. Here are the rules for the MLB, I’ll let you use the magic Google Machine to get the rest:

    To become certified by the MLBPA, a prospective agent, recruiter or service provider must first:
    • Be designated by a Major League Player as his representative, or by a certified agent as a recruiter or service provider;
    • Read, understand and agree to all MLBPA Regulations Governing Player Agents, and
    • Submit a completed application for certification along with a non-refundable $500 application fee.

    No tests, no degrees. I swear, people are easily convinced of other people’s intelligence and qualifications.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So what you are saying is, you don’t understand what a Collective Bargaining Agreement is?

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    “Written, legally enforceable contract for a specified period (usually one year), between the management of an organization and its employees represented by an independent trade union. It sets down and defines conditions of employment (wages, working hours and conditions, overtime payments, holidays, vacations, benefits, etc.) and procedures for dispute resolution. Also called labor agreement,union agreement, or union contract.”

    Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/collective-bargaining-agreement.html#ixzz2PLXm9CGk
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    Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement (and any CBA), common laws are irrelevant. The point of the bargaining agreement allows an employer and employee to approve business stipulations that would otherwise be illegal in the everyday world.
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    Jay-Z, CANNOT LEGALLY NEGOTIATE AN NBA OR MLB CONTRACT.
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    It’s in all caps because it is important for you to understand this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So what you are saying is, you don’t understand what a Collective Bargaining Agreement is?

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    “Written, legally enforceable contract for a specified period (usually one year), between the management of an organization and its employees represented by an independent trade union. It sets down and defines conditions of employment (wages, working hours and conditions, overtime payments, holidays, vacations, benefits, etc.) and procedures for dispute resolution. Also called labor agreement,union agreement, or union contract.”

    Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/collective-bargaining-agreement.html#ixzz2PLXm9CGk
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    Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement (and any CBA), common laws are irrelevant. The point of the bargaining agreement allows an employer and employee to approve business stipulations that would otherwise be illegal in the everyday world.
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    Jay-Z, CANNOT LEGALLY NEGOTIATE AN NBA OR MLB CONTRACT.
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    It’s in all caps because it is important for you to understand this.

  • onU

    You have nothing else to argue about. You and Allen seem to have a compulsion to be right, even if it means posting loosely associated information to seem right. My info comes from here: http://www.nbpa.org/sites/default/files/users/sean.brandveen/Agent%20Regulations%20PDF.pdf

    I don’t care where yours comes from, and I definitely don’t care about your personal interpretations. You want to be be right so badly, but you aren’t teaching anyone anything. Like, at all. Nothing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    which, in it says exactly what i did,

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    “To be eligible for certification, the applicant must have received a degree from an accredited

    four year college/university. The Committee shall have the authority to determine whether relevant

    negotiating experience can substitute for any year(s) of education.” – http://www.nbpa.org/sites/default/files/users/sean.brandveen/Agent%20Regulations%20PDF.pdf

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    and what i said,

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    “Jay-Z will need to complete a college education, or gain sufficient experience taking part in contract negotiations for this to happen.”

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    So maybe you aren’t learning anything.
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    But that’s because you either aren’t actually reading, or you have a disability.

  • onU

    If everyone could do it they would. To quote Jay-Z “everybody can tell you how to do, they never did it”.

  • onU

    You have nothing to teach. I’m not learning anything because you are delusional in your beliefs that you are the only one who read that before. You have nothing new to offer. Do you get that? If I want to learn how to argue incessantly about nothing at all, I’ll ask you. I’m sure you’ll have lots to teach. And NO ONE SAID YOU DON’T NEED A DEGREE TO BE CERTIFIED BY THE UNION. No one argued against that in anyway. I bet you also talk just to hear yourself talk. My point was that you need to be certified by the union, not the league. The CBA is a separate issue from the union’s approved individual player representatives.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    way to change the focus of your words, i’ll just respond with what you said, you tell me how that is what you are saying now….

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    “You wrote in caps that it wouldn’t be legal to negotiate without being certified. It would be against the rules of specific private entities but not illegal. You chose the wording.”

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    whether i mistook the Agent approval being with the CBA or NBPA is irrelevant. It’s still ILLEGAL for Jay-Z to negotiate a contract.

    Act like you have known what you have been talking about this whole time, like you didn’t type this mess,

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    “And legally, there are no laws stopping anyone from negotiating a contract. Gaining certification is necessary in order to be recognized as an agent by both the leagues and unions. There are no laws in any state forbidding the negotiation of a contract, but there are rules and regulations by private entities to govern such interactions with individuals”

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    i don’t care if you don’t feel like you have learned anything. clearly, by the change in focus, and incessant reminder that i haven’t taught you anything, while providing material that proves exactly what i’ve been saying you are learning something. i don’t need the credit for it. i’m just happy that you will leave this conversation knowing more than you did when it started.
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    if you don’t like my replying, maybe you should take the first step, and stop responding. that’s the best way to get me to stop. otherwise i enjoy “hearing myself talk” —- because that makes sense.

  • onU

    Something being against a private entity’s rule is not illegal. It’s against the rules for me to walk into work in swim trunks and a white t, but it’s not illegal. And when you speak on things the way you do, like you know everything, you had better be right in EVERY WAY.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You negotiate contracts under the CBA. You don’t negotiate contracts with the players association. .
    If he isn’t a certified agent it is illegal for him to negotiate a contract. Just like I’ve been saying, repeatedly. .
    You want to express that you still don’t understand by wording this differently or focusing on something else? I mean its pretty simple. .
    You must be a certified agent to negotiate a contract in these leagues, otherwise it’s illegal. .
    Simple

  • onU

    Who said you negotiate with the player’s union? Who said you don’t negotiate under the CBA? I said the qualifications of an individual player representative are determined by the union. Simple. You are making up and arguing for points I never made. But whatever makes you feel right.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m showing you words that you typed, and disputing them.
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    Your original point, that having a rapper represent you, like master p was ignorant. i explained why so and explained that is a bad comparison, because its not having just a rapper represent you, and how jay-z doesn’t have to become a certified agent to have to give up interest in the Nets. You got frustrated and defended that Jay-Z intends to become an agent. And I said maybe, but that doesn’t matter, he isn’t now, and won’t be when he gives up stake in the Nets and it would be illegal for him to negotiate contracts even at that point (if in any sort of timely manner at all, unless he gets approved to negotiate NBA contracts based on prior experience as previously stated). Then you went on about how it’s not illegal for him to negotiate contracts because its not illegal in this country. Which was ignorant. Then I mistakenly said he has to get certified through the CBA and now you are claiming i have argued made up points. Which one’s? because apparently you can only read and remember one comment at a time, you pick out the ones I made up.

  • pposse

    kind of off topic here but a friend of mine was telling me how Ricky Williams was the guy who wanted an all incentive based contract because he wanted to earn every last dollar he made. He said he got the information from the ESPN 30 30 ‘Run Ricky Run’ – its not unlike Ricky Wiliams to be like this especially at that point in his life, he was a unique character to say the least.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    I think you don’t really understand how many “agents” there are out here.
    Also, your Jay Z quote doesn’t make sense because he actually has done it.
    He’s negotiated multi-million dollar dollars for himself and others with the help of his representation.
    This boils down to your belief that rappers should stay in their lanes. I understand what your problem is quite well. And you are misguided.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    I heard that’s what Master P has said. I don’t know if I believe that, and I wonder if as a agent it’s partially your job to protect your client from himself in some instances.

  • Salomon

    Amen

  • http://twitter.com/ToddLuxe ToddLuXe

    all i can do is thank this dude for pushing so far. he is blazing trails for everyone.

  • CALIKO

    wow! you’re a dick rider! he did not discover Kanye West. Damon Dash did.

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