Monday, April 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am  |  18 responses

Joe Dumars Could Lose His Job in Detroit

With the Detroit Pistons trudging through yet another horrific season, there’s speculation that GM Joe Dumars may be on his way out (along with head coach Lawrence Frank.) Per the NY Daily News: “The Pistons aren’t in the playoffs for the fourth straight season and they’ve been irrelevant for a lot longer, as they’re almost 10 years removed from their championship season under Larry Brown. It’s been a long run for team president Joe Dumars, but league sources say that Dumars’ reign will soon be coming to a close. Dumars is so entrenched and such an iconic figure from his playing days, we’ll believe it when we see it. But it sure sounds as if he’s on his way out, along with Lawrence Frank, who is finishing his second season as coach.”

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Fixed – “Joe Dumars *Should* Lose His Job in Detroit”

  • spit hot fiyah

    it was just down hill after the billups/iverson trade. i like the Monroe and Drummond picks though

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    don’t be ridiculous, there a mediocre players that need to be overpaid this offseason!

  • http://twitter.com/ChillFrom91Til Allan

    The Charlie V/ Ben Gordon signing was the worst

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    That’s what happens when you draft, sign and trade for 52 guards in 4 seasons.

  • Xena

    This should`ve happened 4 years ago. Dumars can be largely credited for screwing up Iverson`s career (after coming off one of his most efficient seasons in 2007-08 at the age of 33) and the Pistons franchise for drafting mediocre players, making poor free agent moves, and hiring bad coaches.

  • JohnB

    no way in hell dumars ruined ai’s career. he was washed up when he came to us. Backup pg Will Bynum outplayed him many times and set up teammates better than AI. I’m a fan who hasn’t missed a game, so it’s not the Pistons fault

  • D-TOWN

    also the fact that we gave up on amir johnson and aaron afflalo to create more $ to sign those 2 bums.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Iverson had a bad knee before Denver traded him to Detroit that season. He ended up messing up his back that season too. The biggest mistake was Dumars being attached to Stuckey. A shoot first PG with a not that great jumpshot. That meant either Iverson or Hamilton had to come off the bench. Both said they wouldn’t be too happy about it (of course Iverson’s comments got more attention). Also, Michael Curry had no business being a head coach at that time. Iverson’s career was messed up mainly because of his unwillingness to accept that he was no longer the same player after his body started to fail him and the reputation he had for not being all that happy about coming off the bench. Even though he was right to take issue with Stuckey starting when he had proven nothing up until that point. He still hasn’t done all that much in my opinion which explains why he now shares time with Brandon Knight, Will Bynum and Jose Calderon. I say all of this as a huge Iverson fan.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Joe Dumars is a solid GM.. It’s not like he passed up Carmello, DWade and Chris bosh in the same draft.

  • Xena

    The Pistons have been on a gradual decline since beating LA in the championship series at the end of the 03-04 season because Dumars has made poor basketball moves year after year. Their results from 04-08 are as follows: lost finals in 7 (04-05), lost conf finals in 6 (05-06), lost conf finals in 6 (06-07), and lost conf finals in 6 (07-08). Instead of acquiring players who could carry on the torch after Billups, RWallace, and Rip, he drafted minimal impact players and wasted an opportunity to get something in return for the only player who had any real value: Iverson.
    In 2003, Dumars drafted Darko Milicic at #2 in a draft that featured players like Lebron, Melo, Bosh, and Wade. In 2004, he drafted Delfino, signed free agents Smush Parker and Elden Campbell, and traded Corliss Williamson for Derrick Coleman. In 2007, they drafted Stuckey – enough said. In 2008, they hired Michael Curry who had no prior coaching experience, signed free agent Kwame Brown, and traded Billups for Iverson who averaged 26.4 ppg, 7.1 apg. 2.0 spg on about 46% shooting the season prior to the trade 2007-08. Midway through the season Curry inserted Stuckey into the starting lineup which not surprisingly presented rebounding/defensive problems with a small back-court. The 1st failed solution was to bench Rip. The next failed solution was to bench Iverson. Each of these actions lowered Rip`s and AI`s value. Lowering Iverson`s value who was a free agent after that season, played a major role in killing his career. Instead of getting the most of the AI-Billups trade, AI as a player and AI as an asset Dumars misused him, benched him and then let him go into free agency. It would have made more sense for Dumars and the Pistons to maintain Iverson`s high value, sign him to a 2-yr contract, and then trade him after the season because allowing him to leave for free agency meant that the Pistons got NOTHING in return for Billups and Iverson. Smart move by Dumars though.
    Furthermore, in 2009, Dumars signed free agents Ben Gordon and Villanueva to 5-yr deals worth $55 mil and $35 mil. They also picked up Chris Wilcox. How are these working out for them? Finally, after letting go of Curry Dumars hires John Kuester who the players rebelled against in 2011. And more recently he hired Lawrence Frank. The Pistons have won 30 games or less in the last 4 seasons (including this one) under these coaches.
    Know your facts. Dumars f`ed the Iverson`s career and the Piston`s franchise. PERIOD. End of discussion.

  • Xena

    First of all, thank you for providing some facts. Yes. Iverson was dealing with a bad knee in Detroit and then his back became an issue probably due to overcompensation. He played through the knee injury but the back finally sidelined him for abt a month. He returned in late March, played in 3 more games where he came off the bench playing less than 22 min in each game and never started another game for Detroit. In early April 2009, Dumars deactivated Iverson for the remainder of the season citing the lingering back injury as the reason but I remember Iverson saying that he was okay to play.
    This was a game that Detroit played about one week following the trade. Iverson was dealing with the knee issue but the back problem had not yet presented itself.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    There’s a difference between being washed up and being injured or hurt. Iverson was hurt before he got to Detroit. He played through the knee injury. It took away his explosiveness, speed and quickness. He hurt his back while in Detroit. That coupled with less minutes playing behind overrated Rodney Stuckey led to him looking “washed up”. Guys don’t go from getting 26 a night to just 18 without some kind of injury affecting their play. Fault lies with Joe Dumars for believing too much in Stuckey and Michael Curry for not knowing how to coach that team.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Had Michael Curry and Joe Dumars stayed with that lineup of AI, Rip, Tayshaun, and Rasheed (doesn’t matter who the center was), they would have been a better team. I don’t know why they thought Stuckey would be better with that lineup of veterans. People were talking about him being the next Chauncey Billups. Iverson had proven many times on All-Star teams and in the Olympics that he was capable of getting his teammates involved especially when those teammates weren’t guys named George Lynch, Tyrone Hill and Matt Geiger and could actually do something when he gave them the ball. The rumors went around the league saying that Iverson was trouble in Detroit because he didn’t like coming off the bench and after they deactivated him, the only team after that who was willing to take a chance on him was Memphis. That was really the end for him to me.

  • Nigel

    This comment is superb. +1 sir.

  • Nigel

    I hear that David Kahn is probably going to be back on the market…..; )

  • Xena

    You`re right on point. It`s bad situation for Iverson.

  • Vince

    If he does get fired, you can at least say he did set up the franchise for the forseeable future. Drafting Drummond, Monroe and Knight (although I still maintain Walker would’ve been the better pick) gives Detroit something they haven’t had in a while: youth, talent, and superstar potential.

    But for every Dre theres a CV/BG signing, for every Moose theres an Afflalo/Amir fiasco and for every Knight theres an AI/Billups trade.

    Either way, I still see Joe D as a good GM, he had his highs and lows, and which GM doesn’t? Joe, I do think its time for you to part ways (and please take Frank with you).