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Wednesday, April 3rd, 2013 at 10:25 am  |  71 responses

Miami Heat Not Worried About New York Knicks Come Playoff Time


The New York Knicks can and should feel good about taking the season series 3-1 against the Miami Heat. According to Chris Bosh, however, should they meet in the postseason, the defending champions aren’t sweating these Knickerbockers at all. Per the NY Times: “The Miami Heat are 32-4 at home this season, but half of those losses have come against the Knicks. The Knicks’ 102-90 victory Tuesday at American Airlines Arena was devalued to an extent by the injury-related absences of three Heat players — LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Mario Chalmers. But that should not take away from the fact that the Knicks won the season series with Miami, 3-1, even though Carmelo Anthony was missing in one of those wins and the Knicks have battled injuries far greater than anything the Heat have faced. Indeed, many of the postgame questions directed at the Heat regarded the confidence the Knicks may have gained against Miami. But Chris Bosh said he was not bothered by such talk. ‘Everybody has confidence against us until we take it away,’ said Bosh, who led the Heat with 23 points. ‘They’re a good team.’ He added of the playoffs, ‘They can feel like they have a chance, but I like our chances.’ [...] Erik Spoelstra said the Heat — should they meet the Knicks in the playoffs — will most likely have to make adjustments in defending Anthony in particular and the Knicks’ 3-point shooters in general. ‘We don’t want to leave it to chance,’ he said. ‘They are capable of these types of nights. We just have to do it better and do it harder.’”

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  • shockexchange

    And why should they be? LeBron has committed to memory the “LeBron Rules … Keys to Stopping LeBron James” and the Knicks haven’t. It’s a wrap.

  • Max

    Dont wowwy!

  • danpowers

    well, its more probable that the heat would win a best of seven series between these two teams. but the knicks chances are as good as any other team’s to beat the hear coz of the matchup problems they create for them. but it would still take alot of things to go right and alot of 50-50 balls bounce the knicks way to let blue and orange advance in such a series.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what match up problems are you talking about? New York’s best player doesn’t do well against Miami’s best defender. New York’s second best offensive player matches up with Miami’s second best player. The Knicks have an advantage on the boards with Tyson Chandler, but in contrast, the Knicks only have one good rebounder on the court at all times. The match ups for the Knicks are awful. I don’t see where you can see any real match up problems that would signal any sort of threat to the Heat in a series.

  • JML-G

    while i dont think Knicks can beat Heat in seven game series, i do think they have the best chance of doing it out all NBA teams

  • 23

    His love for the Knicks blinds him to the truth. It happens to all of us with our favorite teams/players time to time

  • spit hot fiyah

    pacers imo, they pushed them last year i little, and they are btter than they where last year. so are the knicks, but the pacers seem better from top to bottom

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    wanna explain how? – Indiana matches up infinitely better than New York does. Even proved as much in the playoffs last year. It’s not like the Knicks have really changed. Well they’ve become older. I mean, they are the oldest team in NBA history. Sh*t, their 26 year old rookie, isn’t even the oldest rookie on the roster. That’s how old they are as a team. And that is the only thing that has changed since last year, they got older.

  • lb

    In 3 games versus Miami this year, Melo averages 37 points. Not counting the last game, he averages 31. What’s this best defender you’re talking about? Knicks have an advantage at the PG position because when Lebron is in the game, the ball goes through his hands most of the time. Lebron has a hard time with pesky ball defenders on the perimeter. Knicks front line has Chandler (good rebounder) and then Kenyon Martin off the bench (another good rebounder). Plus Marcus Camby is another good rebounder (who Woodson has been saving for the playoffs.) No one is stopping LBJ but keeping Wade at bay and others are the real way to beat the Heat. Don’t judge by last years team. Knicks do have a chance. There’s a reason they blew them out two times this year by 20 points.

  • lb

    Knicks last year were injured. Jeremy Lin didn’t play at all. Toney Douglass was our starting PG and then Baron Davis blew out his knee. You think Indiana has a better chance to beat the Heat this year? Last year they couldn’t do it and they had a healthy Danny Granger. This year they don’t. And they didn’t add any pieces to make themselves better.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the last game New York played Miami, Melo had 24 in the first half. And 8 in the second. 4 in the fourth quarter. The change?

    .http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/4/4063102/lebron-james-defense-carmelo-anthony-heat-knicks

    .It’s pretty clear to anyone who has watched Miami play New York in the last 2 years that when LeBron switches over to Carmelo, the Heat have almost no chance of losing.

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNze8l-eT0

    - http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2253

    - http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/5/10/3011425/miami-heat-lebron-james-new-york-knicks-nba-playoffs-2012

    Knicks have an advantage at Point Guard!!!!! Mario Chalmers is not worse than any PG on the Knicks roster. On or off the ball. Crazy random to try and say Raymond Felton has some weird advantage over Chalmers when he has ATTEMPTED AS MANY SHOTS AS POINTS HE HAS SCORED and TURNS THE BALL OVER ONCE FOR EVERY TWO ASSISTS. It makes no sense to say New York has an advantage at a position where their net production on the season is a NET -3.6 (that is a negative if you can’t tell by the negative sign). If they do somehow have an advantage at PG, it isn’t the type of advantage that would make an affect on the series. That i can tell you without a doubt in my mind.

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    You are telling me not to judge on last years team? While you judge on some regular season games? LOL, that makes sense. Let me ignore the playoffs last year, against the exact same team, with the same exact core of players, while you focus on some regular season games, one of which happened when New York was playing basketball they haven’t duplicated since, and the other while Miami was sitting it’s two best players and starting point guard. Because that will lead to a rational conclusion.

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    I am open to someone giving me a reason the Knicks have a shot against the Heat in a series. But i haven’t seen a logical one yet.

  • danpowers

    3-1 bro

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They are better. Paul George is better today, then Danny Granger was last year. — and Lance Stephenson & Gerald Green enable the Pacers to play George at his natural position, anyway.

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    Indiana has jumped to a top 3 defense in the NBA.

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    Indiana has player’s capable of bothering the Heat’s 2 best players. The Knicks don’t. Indiana rebounds the ball extremely well as a team (1st in the league in rebounding). The Knicks (28th in the league in rebounding) are awful..Indiana has considerable size (6’3″,6’6″,6’10″, 6’9″,7’2″) across the board, New York (6’1″,6’5″,6’6″,6’9″,7’0″) doesn’t.
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    And again, you don’t have to add people to get better. As a young team, approaching their prime, Indiana will get better next year just like this year, without making any significant changes to its roster.

  • danpowers

    explain the 3-1 and 50 then. im waiting…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL. Has that ever mattered? Idiot Bulls fans said the same stupid thing the last couple years.

  • danpowers

    i said the heat are more likely to win a series between the two teams. how is that being blinded by the fav team?

  • Youngindy21

    Healthy Danny Granger? You mean the same Granger that practically missed the whole season. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t 100%.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s the regular season.

    .The post-season is an equal playing field (days off)

    Despite the regular season matchups, the playoffs puts everyone on an even playing field. That means your opponent has the same amount of days off as you, same travel itinerary, same playing field. Throughout a regular season, teams play all different types of scenarios, in the playoffs, there is no excuse.

    The post-season will bring out the best (no meaningless games)

    We all know and have seen how the regular season can be so long. I learned a while ago that I take losses much more seriously than players do. I get upset frustrated, while players understand it’s one game in the season, a meaningless game. Some nights you have it, and some nights you don’t. In the playoffs, there are no meaningless games – every one is vital and that brings out the best in players. That’s why you saw Wade and James take care of the East in 5 games each round. Focusing on one team with the end in sight can elevate their games.

    It’s just one game

    The regular season is comprised of one game series. It doesn’t hurt Miami to drop one game, and Wade even expressed, it’s ok, we will be ready when it’s time to be ready.
    - http://crankuptheheat.net/why-the-regular-season-does-and-doesnt-matter/
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    Chicago’s record against Miami in the 2010-11 regular season –
    2010-11: 3-0 (playoffs: 1-4)
    .

  • russian guy

    Didn’t two of the wins come early in the season?When the Knicks were still shooting lights out and Miami was not where it’s now.Plus,the first game at the Garden was at the time of the Hurricane that flooded the city,so much emotion,no one would have beaten the Knicks that day probably.

  • TV63

    Not a Heat fan but yeah they shouldn’t worry. They have enough cushion in their standings to rest their starters. They’ve earned it as much as it pains me to say it. There isn’t anyone in the East that can beat them. They’re all injured. It’s the Heat’s for the taking this year. Agh!

  • mana singh

    word, when LeBron guards melo, melo cannot do anything. in game one of the playoffs, LeBron was guarding melo and he only had 11 points

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    That’s 51 days since season tip-off you were up here venting.

  • lb

    You’re showing me highlights of a team that was run without a PG last year. Also this is last year. Will you show me highlights of them playing each other in high school next?

    Also, there are only 6 players that came back from last year. Of which only 3 were starters. DIfferent team.

    So, in your opinion, the only game that matters is the one where the Heat won this year. The other 3 are flukes for whatever reason (schedule, hurricane, blah blah).

    Had the Heat won the season series 4-0 would you be dismissing the regular season too?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    wait, what?

  • danpowers

    i said it is more probable that the heat would win a best of seven series, no doubt. but if a team has to chance to come up with a suprise, its this knicks team.

  • danpowers

    games are not meaningless for competitors and the heat are not a team that takes anything easy otherwise they wouldnt be where and who they are. if fatigue, injuries a lack of rest, etc played any role in the 3-1 season series then the heat went through nothing close to what the knicks suffered from due to their age, injury issues and changing lineups. even in the last two games of which the knicks lost a tight contested game, you could see how the heat even had to fight to win that one.
    the bulls ran their offense through rose in that series and only through rose. that guy was still a kid and that series was too tough from a psychological aspect for such a young guy. the knicks style of play is totally different.

    plus the knicks roster this year is playoff built coz it is a perfect roster for half court basketball. you cant compare this squad to the knicks squad of the last two seasons. again, the heat will most likely win that series. but if a team can upset the heat, itll be this knicks team.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/4/4063102/lebron-james-defense-carmelo-anthony-heat-knicks – that is this year. March 4, 2013. A whole entire month ago.

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    Yep, “only” 6 players came back from last year………3 of which (Anthony, Chandler, Smith) have played 80%, 68%, 66% of the teams minutes at their position. Now with Shumpert back another 50% of one positions minutes will go to a player on last years roster. They are the same team, some things are different, but again, nothing drastic enough to change their fortunes against a Heat team that has also improved and was already considerably better. And improved in a way that will serve them better in the playoffs which obviously doesn’t bode well for New York, who already have to battle the whole age factor in 2 grueling 7-game series prior to even meeting the Heat, if they are ever so lucky to do so.

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    The chance on New York beating the Heat in a series in 2013 is 0.0000%

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no it isn’t. especially not as a 2 seed, who has to win 2 series to even get there. All while being the oldest NBA team…….EVER
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    there is no chance the Knicks beat the Heat in a series this year. And there is not one team in the East ranked higher then Boston who the Heat want to play more than the Knicks.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    So after all these comments and all this time spent on a predominantly fan visited site, you’re telling me your not a Suns fan? Well…where lies your allegiance? Lets level the playing field a little.

  • danpowers

    hm i dont know man. even when miami beat the knicks lately it was a very close game which couldve went either way if the knicks wouldnt have beaten themselves on two sloppy turnovers in the clutch. all the other wins were clear knick victories. its just that the knicks got quite efficient lineups that match the heats small ball lineups pretty well and they also got big lineups which cause the heat problems down low, as they dont have too many quality bigs. still, miami has the edge, they are clearly the better team. it just seems that they bring the best out of the knicks. if this knicks team is healthy, they have enough experience and hungry players and not to forget talent to suprise the basketball world. i wont count on the knicks winning that series if they played each otherl, but i wouldnt be too suprised if theyd win that thing neither

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t have an allegiance. i care about what the Suns do because obviously i am exposed to more of their business then any other team so it’s easier for me to criticize and get a feel for what they are, and should be doing. but i really could care less who wins any given game. as long as i’m watching good basketball.

  • danpowers

    their record and style of play tell a different story. they got older but they improved their quality with their roster changes. the injuries are tough tho and something quite risky. but if the key guys stay healthy, thats a great team.

    i dont wanna say anything bad against indiana. they are even slightly better than the knicks. its just that their main guy lacks some experience nd they are a bit green. could turn out as a disadvantage in close playoff games. say what u want about the knicks but they got enough veterans with playoff experience and hungry guys they can put on the floor

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh i understand.

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    you are confusing improving in general, with improving against a specific opponent….yes the Knicks are better. They have a chance at winning some playoff series’ for the first time in years, so ofcourse they are better. But in the ways that they got better, they didn’t gain any ground on Miami.

    - Just think about what you are saying.

    ….The Knicks have slowed down their pace, and regressed defensively. Improving their offense, which is great but how in the world does that seem like a good thing against Miami? You got worse on defense, and you are now playing at the same pace as the Heat. Who so happen to have the best offense in the league, and whose best player plays the same position as your worst defender. Let’s also note that you have no depth at that position.

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    The Knicks specialize in shooting 3′s while Melo does his thing……except, Miami shoots the 3 better, and their best player is a better scorer. (i know Melo scores 2 more points, but he also shoots 4 more shots).
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    Everything New York does well, Miami does better. They literally don’t have a shot against them. Not even kind of. Just be excited to be able to beat the teams you will see in the first 2 rounds, because in all likelihood that round 2 is your championship series. And your the under dog there too.

  • danpowers

    only injuries can prove your point right. and i pray that that wont happen lol. but come on, their main guys in melo, chandler, smith and felton arent too old. they also get some nice minutes from shump again, they got novak for threes, pablo aint playin too bad neither, copeland aint too bad neither. martin looks great so far. kidd is the only one im really concerned about. getting stat and sheed back for limited minutes would be quite nice. but i dont really care about camby or thomas. theyd only be some nice options but really not decisive factors.

  • danpowers
  • danpowers

    sure, miami is a better team. they do anything better any other team does, i never argued that. what is so hard to get about me saying theyd have a shot at coming up with a suprise while the heat are still the favs to win a series?

    these knicks just have guys who know how to win and their real bad defensive perfomance came in the “dog days” of the season. during the hot start and again recently they are good again. not as good as last year but good enough to not be the underdog in the first two playoff series where they will most likely have home court advantage.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i disagree. they don’t have a shot. especially not as the 2 seed. these Knicks match up with Miami horribly. I still don’t understand where there is a single match up advantage, and one at that big enough to have a chance to beat that team 4 times in 7 games.
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    in my opinion there is zero chance of Miami losing to New York. It only does a disservice to New York to even have this conversation, they are much better than the previous season, but in true New York Knicks fashion, they are being lofted onto a pedestal that they are nowhere close to standing on.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no, fatigue can prove me right.
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    if i had to bet on a series between New York and Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals, I would bet on a sweep. That’s how glaring the mismatch is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you realize you are typing that while Miami is sitting it’s 2 best player’s with fake injuries right?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you said New York matches up better than anyone else.
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    that’s pretty blind.

  • danpowers

    … in the east.

    pacers dont have the scoring and their offensive main guy is still too young.

    celtics without rondo and a garnett just returning from a 4-5 week injury? meh

    bucks? b*tch please

    hawks? they traditionally refuse to advance past the semis.

    i dont have anything bad to say against the nets but i just dont really believe in their playoff “readyness” this year. maybe next yr. they r a pretty dangerous sleeper tho but if theyd be consistently better than the knicks theyd be ahead of them in the atlantic and not 5 games behind. i dont see them being able to threaten the heat in any way

    bulls could be dangerous but with that banged up roster… i really dont know. they have rlly bad luck with injuries this year. if rose and the rest of the gang really get 100% healthy come playoff time theyd be truly the no1 threat for the heat in the east. but how likely is that? they are really an enigma at the moment.

    so yes, given the bulls and celtics struggles and the pacers lack of quality offense id say the knicks are the no one contender against the heat in the east.

    dont get me wrong, id give the pacers a slight edge over the knicks if they played each other but against the heat the pacers chances are a bit lower than the knicks. this could be different in one or two years if they keep that core together gut regardless of age, there is just more talent and playoff experience on the knicks roster overall.

  • danpowers

    so…?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They obviously don’t value every regular season game. Obviously.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s your opinion. Frankly the chance of Miami losing in the East is minimal. And everyone but you, thinks the Pacers are the biggest threat to the Heat. So disagree all you want, don’t expect anyone to buy into it.

  • http://twitter.com/dashk93 Dashawn Kimbrough

    I honestly believe miamis confidence is so above everyn team in The league… it doesnt matter what team thinks they can beat them its scary to think that lebron and dwade arent even in playoff mode yet after what theyre doing this season.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001801032281 Andre Powell

    Heat fans are bums. When they won against Spurs without their superstars, they were like who needs Lebum,but now the Knicks won against them it doesn’t matter. Go suck a D*ck,and stop hating at least appreciate that the knicks played well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001801032281 Andre Powell

    A lot of you were cavaliers fans now rooting for the heat. Nothing,but a bandwagonist. Ask them who they supported before Lebron? Good night D*ck riders.

  • danpowers

    having clinched the top spot in a conference gives you the luxury to rest players thats nothing new. they still competed against the knicks in the season series. that doesnt say much about whats gonna happen in the playoffs but its still a hint that the knicks got at least the potential to threaten them.

    and saying the knicks would be an underdog in any playoff series in the east, what sh*t u on man? the second (worst case 3rd) seed in a conference is the underdog against 6 teams? wtf…

  • danpowers

    the regular season is not playoff basketball but at least it means a little something. a team that enters the postseason as second or third is simply not as bad as you put em here.

  • danpowers

    dont put it as if i or knicks fans in general would be the only ones saying so. miamis winning streak of 27 has intimidated the whole league anyway and lets be honest: if james and bosh stay healthy the nba title for the heat is a sure thing. talking about potential threats to them is just hypothetical rubbish anyway.

    so far the knicks played good basketball and won the season series against the heat. the pacers didnt look as impressive as that against the heat so far even though they looked pretty good too. whatever that means for the playoffs.
    the knicks just start to click again and look pretty sharp coming into the playoffs instead of looking worn out. their old a*s guys are not really main contributors to their success and the team doesnt rely on stat, especially not since the addition of martin. again: chandler, anthony, smith, felton, shumpert, novak, copeland, white are not really that old. martin doesnt play as old as he is neither does pablo whos body may be 35 years old but didnt really have to go through a carreer of nba grind. the old timers to be worried about are kidd, stat, wallace, thomas and camby and these guys except kidd are pretty expendable as long as just one of the three old bigs will be available as a back up for playoff games. that alltogether doesnt look too bad if you ask me

  • danpowers

    “You are telling me not to judge on last years team? While you judge on some regular season games? LOL,”
    man, youre having a weirdo-day or something. it actually makes more sense to judge a team by the season that is running for at least 70 games now than a team from last season. especially that strange lockout season. come on man, pull yourself together

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    When I say a team is a threat, I genuinely believe they have the capability to win. Indiana is the only team I see with more than a 0% chance in the East of beating the Heat. I don’t say things for hypothetic bullsh*t unless I’m talking about a situation that isn’t reality. This situation can very much become reality. And I don’t think New York has any chance whatsoever (unless LeBron gets hurt of course) which is what you keep arguing with me about.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    For real? Show me miami’s post season record against teams that beat them in the regular season…..now do it against teams they met the year before. .
    Holler back.

  • danpowers

    that team neither has the three point shooting nor the quality scorer for the clutch. no matter how great they execute their offense, how great they are on defense: the heat learned how to deny hibbert down low last year – the pacers biggest advantage – and theyll go back to that in the playoffs. its easier to get george out of the game than it is to take melo out. id just be with you by saying the pacers and knicks have equally low chances but not that the pacers would be that much better. if it was that way, the standings would show it already, as the knicks went through much heavier injury problems than the younger pacers who still are more or less tied with them at 2nd seed.
    plus the knicks got back to playing the right way, they even got jr smith under control and their d improved again lately.

    i really dont get where your charles barkley point of view is coming from

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I sincerely don’t need a scouting report. Or an explanation of why Indiana has almost no chance. They still match up better than anyone else, and they Re the only healthy team with the proven ability to put miami on their heels.

  • danpowers

    would make sense if the exact same squads would still play but that is certainly not the case. at least the knicks changed since then. its still pointless as the heat will win the championship anyway

  • danpowers

    they dont, simply coz the knicks are more talented and the playoffs suit the knicks style of play, too

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    who’s hating who?

  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    season series. nobody remembers that in may – june

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  • Mike From Spain

    To state the obvious, to beat the Heat you have to score against them more efficiently than they do against you.
    How do they score efficiently? The Heat have plenty of weapons, so it is hard to deny them all. But if you bother their transition (either because you run as much or because you destroy them on the Offensive boards), bother their 3 point shooting, and help defense checks Wade’s penetration attempts, you have something going for you. You can add an elite perimeter defender to check Lebron, who is a threat from everywhere. On the offensive side of things, post scoring and a good scoring from the bench helps against the Heat. The Heat are also reportedly weak at the PG spot, but I don’t really know if that is true.

    Where does this leave the Knicks? On the defensive end, they cannot really bother Lebron, they can bother a bit the penetration to the rim because of Tyson Chandler, but maybe they can get slow at rotations to stop three pointers and they have no chance to match the Heat’s running. On the offensive end they have Melo matched up against Lebron as dominant post scoring, they have Tyson Chandler as a low volume scorer feeding off O rebs and lobs but not great post scorer, and tons of three point shooters, while the Heat have good defense in the perimeter but not too good inside.

    The result? I cannot really say, I guess that the Knicks have to get really lucky to pull off an upset. They would have to shoot 3 pointers really hot, not let the Heat find 3 point shooting, stop Wade at the rim more often than not without getting Tyson Chandler in foul trouble, get offensive rebounds to stop the Heat from running as much as they like, get Melo motivated like never before on defense, and Lebron with off-nights. Too much out of their control I guess

  • http://tinyurl.com/GoingtotheKnicksGame SpeedsterNYC

    Go ahead and take the Knicks lightly, Miami. Melo’s gonna break your ankles in the ECF. KNICKSTAPE!!! http://tinyurl.com/GoingtotheKnicksGame

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No the playoffs do not suit the Knicks. Are you high? When has a team that doesn’t rebound, and dominantly shoots three’s ever had success in the playoffs, EVER?

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    Never. That’s when. This team isn’t built for the playoffs. And they aren’t more talented than the Pacers. Maybe in 2005 they were more talented. But not anymore.

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    The Knicks have 4 healthy players on their roster that would see minutes in Indiana. TOTAL. — Indiana is better, more talented, and better suited for the playoffs with their style of play.
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    What you are saying about the Knicks and their chances in the playoffs comes from you being a Knicks fan. Not from any logical place.

  • danpowers

    get a real job b*tch

  • danpowers

    they play half court offense and are comfortable when the game slows down and even with physical play. thats playoff basketball, right? they can also score from the post with melo and off the pick and roll when chandler is healthy again. they even have nice penetration with smith. they got so many weapons to score and good defenders with chandler, martin, shump and smith (yap, better than he is given credit for). the rebounding numbers are just that low because of that slow pace. they aint an elite rebounding team but still good enough. their biggest strenght is to take care of the basketball, low turnovers are also essential when every possetion counts.

    seen them play lately? i doubt so. they had a drought during the seasons dog days and had many games when they just fired from outside and didnt commit on d. lately they got back to play physical, to score more down low and move better off the ball.
    that pacer squad is more athletic but not more talented. never ever man

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL. believe whatever you want. it’s obvious that talking to you about the Knicks is completely pointless. it’s like talking to a mother about the intelligence of her kid.

  • danpowers

    dont take me as fan blind man. thats the same level as if i would tell you that youre just grim on others coz your suns are a mess.
    underdog against 6 other teams? really man, that is just absolutely bullsh*t. not from a knicks fans perspective but from a 2nd seeds perspective. that team is looking down on the rest of the conference for a reason. they were fighting injuries during long stretches of the season and went from perfect offense to disfunctional then back to all cylinders clicking.

    dont nerd me with that LOL sh*t. next thing you wanna tell me is that they just didnt win 10 in the row son

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL.
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    i didn’t say that they would be underdogs against 6 other teams. I said they would be underdogs before they get to the ECF. (which would mean when they play Indiana in the second round, they will be not be favored – and i’m not talking about by you. i know you will favor the Knicks. But VEGAS won’t. And neither will most people in the basketball community). You are not reading what is being said. You are seeing it’s about the Knicks and being defensive. And you are fan blind. You have been since the day you started commenting.
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    And I don’t give a flying f*ck about the Suns. They should be this bad anyway. Trying to compete for the playoffs is what i criticized them of at the beginning of the year anyway. So valiant effort in drawing a parallel, but you need to pay better attention if you are going to do that.
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    I’m not trying to hurt your feelings. But you are way way to biased to have a rational discussion about anything involving the Knicks.
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    How many times do i have to tell you i don’t care about things happening in the regular season? The Clippers won 17 games in a row, did i ever say they had a chance at winning the West? NOPE.
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    My opinion doesn’t change based on the team i’m looking at. I have no favorites. I don’t actually care who wins or loses. And i don’t care if i’m wrong. I am going to argue completely rationally. I don’t make things up, or ignore things to further my point.
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    The Knicks, just like the Clippers, have no chance of coming out of their conference. Regardless of winning streaks, and good play in the regular season.

  • danpowers

    to cut it short: what walt frazier said in that new headline.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Refer to the comment section of that thread if you want to try and use Walt Frazier’s opinion, a guy who is paid by the Knicks. And rationally, would have an even more irrational view of the team then you.

  • Daniel Surnavio

    Now I know New York would be an under dog to beat Miami in a 7 game series, but to infer they have no chance is being intentionally naive. You don’t see a single category where New York is superior? really? Take a look at the bench. We Have significant firepower in our second unit in JR and Copeland, gritty defense in Kenyon Martin, veteran leadership in Jason kid, and a viable three point option in Novak. Miami has a disadvantage here. Next, Miami is a small team. You can’t debate this either. Remember, New York’s goal has always been to play big for stretches in games against smaller more athletic teams (Just like Miami). Woodson can and will use a lineup such as Chandler at center, Martin at power forward, Melo at small forward, JR at the 2 and felton/ kidd at the point. That lineup will badly out rebound any group Miami puts on the floor. Want another advantage Knicks? Carmelo Anthony’s field goal percentage with less than 21 seconds in the game is 47.7 percent. (This includes game winners) Lebron james? 33.3%. Now the argument can be made that this is because these are career stats, and Lebron has recently found the clutch gene, and this is going to shine through in the playoffs. (this is entirely possible as he is having arguably the best season the NBA has ever seen) But that would be working of a hunch based on his recent play. You know what else one could speculate based on recent play? That J.R. Smiths tear is going to continue into the playoffs, that Carmelo’s going to continue his career season, that New York’s 10 game resurgence isn’t just a fluke and that anything can happen in a 7 game series when you have a team that believes they can dethrone Miami. Personally I would agree that Miami has the upper hand, but to claim New York has no chance if they make it to the eastern conference finals versus Miami is just ignorant. Both Indiana and Newyork have the size and physicality to give a small yet supremely talented Miami club a series. PERIOD.

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