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Monday, May 13th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  102 responses

LeBron James Denies Claims of Flopping from the Bulls


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

Three games in to an increasingly testy and physical second round Playoff series, the Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls are now playing mind games with each other.

The Bulls are publicly complaining about what they consider to be flopping and acting from LeBron James. This has cost head coach Tom Thibodeau $35,000, which he hopes is a good investment next time the refs blow their whistles.

LeBron and his coach, meanwhile, think the accusations from Chicago are bogus.

Per the AP and Sun-Sentinel:

Miami’s superstar shot down the accusations from the Chicago Bulls, saying they reminded him of the days when some claimed he was overrated and questioned his ability to lead a team to a championship. “It’s kind of the same (as when) I heard people say I was overrated,” he said Sunday. “It’s kind of like the same response.” [...] “I don’t need to flop,” James said. “I play an aggressive game. I don’t flop. I’ve never been one of those guys.”

“I don’t care,” Spoelstra said when the issue of Thibodeau’s comments was broached after his team’s Sunday practice at the University of Illinois-Chicago. “I don’t spend a lot time thinking about what Tom is saying. I don’t. This game, this series, will be decided between those four lines, and no one can deny that.”

The series resumes tonight in the Windy City, with both teams desperate to take care of business in Game 4.

The mental warfare between these two bitter rivals is sure to continue, but as Spoelstra points out, the battle will be won on the court and not through snippy quotes.

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  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    All entertainment.

  • pposse

    yah your right LeFlop, its normal to get pushed from beyond the three pt line all the way past the ft line from Nazr. Either your a flopper or your a bi*ch, take your pick.

  • Sizzle

    I always thought LeBron and Wade complained a lot, but these last several games between Boozer, Noah and Robinson sheesh. Noah is constantly screaming (sounds like some type of bat) and making that crying face when he gets called for a foul. You can see the difference in experience between both teams. Chicago gets wound up whenever they hit a shot like it’s a game winner in the middle of the 2nd quarter. Miami reserves that behavior for when the shots actually matter. Miami in 5 (six if Chi wins tonight).

  • russian guy

    This ideal of playing ‘physical’ is just so stupid.Getting ejected and losing points because of free throws is just plain bad basketball and I would think that Thibs knows that.The Bulls are letting their emotions get the best of them.

  • pposse

    you obviously don’t watch the Bulls, Boozer screams after every play period.
    And what kind of prediction is that? Just say Miami is winning the series. What’s the point in making a prediction in how many games it will take them, they can only win in 5,6 or 7 games and you just predicted two out the possible three scenarios lol.

  • Karl

    I respect what the Bulls have done with what they have and how far they’ve gotten so far, but it seems like their feathers have been ruffled big time after the demolition they received at the hands of the Heat after Game 2.
    A lot of whining and complaining (both warranted and unwarranted) coming from the players won’t get them more calls. Instead of worrying about what the refs call or don’t call, how about you concentrate on something you actually have power over controlling like playing solid team orientated ball? Down 2-1 with a big game tomorrow, I don’t like how they have this mentality. Noah and Boozer need to bully the Heat bigs in the post for any chance of a Bulls win tomorrow AND LeBron/Wade need to have an off night for the Chicago to have any chance.

  • Sizzle

    Miami is winning the series then LOL. ^^^^Chill Modes

  • MUBWAR

    Nate screaming is worst. It is not the heat’s fault that nobody can shoot on the bulls. They start missing shots, they get angry and then they start trowing elbows. A lot of teams do this

  • Fat Lever

    It’s obvious Chicago is trying to get into Lebron’s head and take his focus away from his only responsibility, leading the Heat to another title. He’s handled it well so far. Let’s see how great of a leader he is. If can continue to focus on winning and not on the “noise”, it will only benefit himself and the team.

    How awesome would it be to see Lebron go through Chicago, then Indiana, the Memphis to win a title? The three most physical teams, all along the way trying to get James off his game with physical play. Long ways to go, but to me, an interesting possibility.

  • Guest

    you said it right, I’m not on the Heat in this but if the Bulls
    continue to let their emotions run their games, there’s no doubt the
    Heat would get a smooth 2nd round.

  • shockexchange

    Hopefully this series with be over soon. The Bulls are more about extra-curriculum activity after the play is over, and crying about LeBron than they are about winning the series.

  • Lupe

    As much as I love basketball, the NBA is getting more unbearable to watch year after year. Flopping? Whining after EVERY SINGLE PLAY. This series isn’t even remotely physical. This is not physical basketball, its just guys loosing their cool and letting their ego play them like a puppet (not that its uncommon among people – especially tv people). Clips vs Grizz was a physical series. This isn’t close to physical basketball.

  • pposse

    Lebron’s numbers are down in all categories. He only shot %50 one time this series. We turned that dude into a facilitator for the most part of every game; he’s lucky to be surrounded by a super team.

    We did a pretty decent job so far of getting him off his game, unfortunately there is still Wade, Bosh, Battier, Allen, Norris FREAKIN Cole, Chalmers, etc etc to deal with. They are still going wild from the 3 pt line; hopefully those percentages will go down.

  • shockexchange

    The Bulls are employing “the Rules” effectively. But sending Nazi Mohammed (if you avg less than 1 ppg the Shock Exchange doesn’t spell check your name) who averages 0.1 ppg to pick a fight with LeBron who averages 27.1 ppg is really sophomoric.

  • Iggi Vasquez

    I don’t think he flat on that play….

  • Iggi Vasquez

    Everybody is b!tching except for Nate, he plays like a men….

  • pposse

    you know what happens when you actually get pushed with some real force? See Ron Artest immediately after he got pushed by Ben Wallace (he still didn’t cover as much ground as Bron did with a 100x more violent push). Ron Artest heart beat was probably at 200 bpm, he was laying their on the scorers table breathing from his mouth real heavy.
    Lebron got pushed, fell down for drama then got back up… all while keeping his heart rate at a cool 120 bpm. I didn’t see him breath hard, visibility upset or anything. No one was starting a fight, thats what Lebron wants you to think! Just like Wade talkin about how he has to wear a mouth piece now cause he’s getting hit in the mouth too much this series; these dudes are way too dramatic!

  • Max

    Say what now Lebron?
    “I play an aggressive game. I don’t flop. I’ve never been one of those guys.”
    That’s all I need to show you..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

  • speedy

    This is an ejection no matter what.
    I don’t get why bulls fans and team are complaining.
    Stupid action by Nazr and the result is an ejection.

  • Max
  • http://twitter.com/thursti_tyht Thurstian Tsui

    Well the Grizzlies play very physical I wouldn’t say their style of basketball is stupid. But there’s a difference between physical and getting t’ed up every other possession.

  • shockexchange

    pposse,

    I don’t disagree with you. But Nazi Fugazzi fouled LeBron and then held him in order to get a “reaction.” That wasn’t even a basketball play. And why is Nazi Fugazzi pushing “The Kang” anyway. The Bulls were tryna to get Fugazzi (0.1 pp) and Bron (27.1 ppg) ejected. That way way it would be a net positive for them of 27.0 ppg. The Bulls get the “gas face” for that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    as hard as this is to read, it’s dead on. daps

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003246310246 Jason Carter

    Being physical and losing composure are 2 different things. Physical play on defense is effective because most players dont like being bodied up on offense, they need space, so i disagree with calling it stupid. On the other hand they do need to keep their poise.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk why he claims he doesn’t flop. he flops. every player flops.
    .
    Nazr Muhammad was sent out to illicit a response from James. Thibodeau knows the only chance Chicago has in this series is to try and take Miami’s best player’s out of it.
    .
    It’s a cheap trick, but if they succeed it would likely work. Kind of like the “hack-a-?” strategy. it’s stupid, it’s annoying, but it does or can work.

  • bike

    Shades of professional wrestling. I’m waiting for a player to bust a fake plastic chair over the head of another player next game complete with the fake blood and grey matter.

  • Sizzle

    I honestly never realized how bad Noah was. When Noah yells “heyyyyyy” or whatever at the refs, I swear it sounds like an animal being strangled. I like how Cole hasn’t backed down from Robinson. He’s outplayed him the last two games.

  • pposse

    Nazr held onto bron to keep his own balance. Look at the slo mo replay, but only look at their feet; the feet got tangled while Nazr held on to him, and Lebron sneakily hooked his arm and twisted his body leaving him with no feet under him and no body to keep him up before a fall. Keep in mind Nazr like 40 yrs old and uncoordinated. coaches on all levels say if your going to foul in the open court you should wrap up the guy? thats for both players safety.

    Nazr caught feelings about the whole thing and pushed Lebron, but Lebron was like “i see your push Nazr, and i raise you a flop!”

  • shockexchange

    And why is Nazi Fugazzi tryna to brace his fall by holding onto “The Kang”? Guys who average less than 1ppg should not be allowed to brace their fall against anything other than the wall or the floor. Based on your comments, that’s another fine and suspension for Fugazzi.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “coaches on all levels say if your going to foul in the open court you should wrap up the guy?”
    - No, they don’t. And no, it isn’t safer for anyone. The wrap the guy up idea stems from when a guy is in close proximity to the hoop, stopping them from being able to attempt a shot. it has nothing to do with the open court. at all.

  • pposse

    so he should get fined for wrapping up the King now?! its bad enough he got tossed. Van Gundy said it best, “he only got ejected because Lebron fell”

  • shockexchange

    No. Like the Shock Exchange said earlier, he engaged in extracurricular activity in order to get LeBron to “react.” Even Hellen Keller could see that. Notice how the Bulls never try to get a “reaction” from Mike Miller, Battier or Hazlem … they only attack the Heat’s best players.

  • pposse

    To me it seems to be a safer option if your going to commit a hard foul. This is all simple physics, Lebron used leverage to throw Nazr on the floor. Two techs were warranted here, the ejection happened cause of a flop. All of this stuff about the Bulls trying to sacrifice Nazr for Lebron is completely overblown. I highly doubt that Nazr pushed Bron to goat him into another technical, he did it cause he was pissed off.

  • Drig

    Dude……you’re built like a tank and you went sliding…….

    Just shut up. Stop it.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Did y’all see the way Mohommad hacked LeBron? Watch the wind up, the slap and then the bear hug. All to stop a fast break? Come on man, he was trying to lay a little lick on LeBron, LeBron kind of swung him down, and then Nazr decided he wanted to be a tough guy for NO DAMN REASON!.
    It was stupid. LeBron was crying to ref about the tech that Nazr craftily managed to secure, and then Nazr erases all the good he did with the push. It was dumb.

  • pposse

    Bosh flopped early in game 2 on Noah when Noah was posting and Bosh crumbled to the floor. Lebron flopped in game 2 on Noah when Noah fought over the screen and Lebron crumbled to the floor and drew a defensive fouls, those are not considered extracurricular activity at all. Mario Chalmers went after Noah too, and Noah is our best player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s definitely not safer to wrap a guy who is moving forward up and stopping him dead in his tracks. that is 100% more dangerous.

    .

    and i agree, except LeBron didn’t flop. LOL, getting shoved over isn’t a flop. Nazr did everything he was supposed to do, until he got upset about being shrugged off.

    .

    “All of this stuff about the Bulls trying to sacrifice Nazr for Lebron is completely overblown.”

    - No. That is EXACTLY what the Bulls were doing. And it is a good strategy. It just didn’t quite work because Nazr, even at his old age, is not mature enough to carry it out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    both teams are doing the same thing. Chicago is just doing it more openly. Miami’s guys are at least trying to be sneaky about it.

  • shockexchange

    It really doesn’t matter at this point … “it’s all over but the cryin’.”

  • Bandwagonfan

    How can he flop while he was complaining to ref? He was complaining and hedont know nazr goin to push him. If you said lebron is a flopper, then he must be a damn fucking master of flop that he can controls gravity and force

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think that’s what Shock is attempting to say. it’s pposse who thinks LeBron flopped, and Nazr was actually making a basketball play.

  • Bandwagonfan

    this guy is a heat hater. Lebron is the controller of gravity that he can twist body etc to make mohammed fell in split second. And he can make himself fall without using his leg to jump. Indeed a master of flop.

  • ThaWindy

    Thats exactly right. Instead of putting their energy into play calling and getting into a rhythm, they’re more concerned with Bosh yelling at MC.
    I dont know if Thibs is encouraging this type of “extra curriculum activity” but he needs to put an end to it. Yea LeBron flopped but he didnt push Nazi down hard enough to warrant that type of reaction. Plus he was T’d for it.
    Gotta be smart.

  • shockexchange

    It’s hard for the Shock Exchange to watch this series. Bulls are grabbing, holding, pushing, and poking players after the whistle in hopes that the refs will only see the retaliation. If the Shock Exchange wanted to see this he would watch Ric Flair (Woo Daaadddyyy!). He does a lot better anyway.

  • Max

    Nazr averages 2.6 pts a game.
    Goddammit Shock, step your game up!

  • shockexchange

    If the Shock Exchange even knew what Nazi Fugazzi’s scoring average was, he wouldn’t admit to it.

  • spit hot fiyah

    the weirdest thing about ejections which hurts the team since they lose a player and give away free throws, is that the home crowd always seems to be really happy about it.

  • ThaWindy

    They’re tired and depleted but should go down with grace not like the 90 Piston.

  • pposse

    see top rated comment on this thread please and click play. There is no force in this universe than can throw Lebron from beyond the three pt line to inside the ft line! Side note, he shouldn’t be complaining to the ref.

  • ThaWindy

    ^91 Piston

  • shockexchange

    Fair point. The Shock Exchange forgot they are doing all of this without Derrick Rose, their best player. If a healthy Rose was in the mix, it would be a much different series. The Bulls were one of the favorites last yr before he went down.

  • TR

    LeBron fakes a lot. Last year in the finals when his leg gave out or whatever, he was definitely acting a bit. Still love to watch him play, just saying.

  • COYNE

    If Chicago want to be overly physical with Miami, why would anyone criticise them? If they do anything beyond the rules, they will be punished for it, if they push and shout enough to put Miami off their game, that’s part of the game of Basketball. If they need to adopt this strategy due to missing 4 key players then so be it. Anything to win.

  • pposse

    after looking at the replay (again) from Mohammeds pov, Gibson turns the ball over, and for a second Lebron is leading a 3 on 2 transition; Mohammad running at Lebron probably doesnt see Butler get back to equalize the Heat advantage. The foul he made was standard. It was a hard foul, maybe he shouldnt have wrapped him up, but if he doesnt Lebron would proabably take a free shot at the rim (what if he makes it?).

    Sorry bro, its hard for me to believe that the Bulls with a pretty good head coach all of a sudden believes a guy whose never got into any physical altercation in 10 yrs in the league, and probably never even got thrown out of a game in his career would all of a sudden engage in that activity. Lebron is too smart for that.

  • pposse

    you can call it whatever you want, Wade clearly threw a basketball at a Chicago Bull at the beginning of the game and he did not get ejected. They need to call the game fairly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i understand why he fouled LeBron. he put extra umph into the foul. you don’t have to wrap a guy up, for any reason 45 feet from the basket. EVER.
    .
    he fouled him THAT hard, to get LeBron to react. AND IT WORKED.
    .
    Then LeBron threw Nazr on the ground and embarrassed him.
    .
    This is where Nazr made a mistake.
    .
    Everything before he got upset was done 100% right. Fouling in a situation that put your team at a disadvantage <- good job. Fouling James in a way that James reacts <- good job.
    .
    Shoving James over after he threw you on the ground? <- bad job, too far. too immature. all of that good, and you ended up shooting your whole team in the foot.

  • Max

    You’ve been slacking man..

  • pposse

    correction: pposse thinks Lebron flopped, and Nazr committed a hard foul; if Nazr didn’t commit a basketball play then the league can go back and upgrade the foul to a flagrant, and should. If they don’t then someone is not doing their job.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what are you talking about? he SHOVED him over. and clearly at that. if you think LeBron flopped, then your bias is making you blind. And a shove isn’t a hard foul. A shove, after the play is dead, is a flagrant. AUTOMATICALLY.

    .

    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2606667/lebronshove.gif

  • pposse

    its irritating that no fines have been handed out; the first play of game 2 is the most upsetting. There is no place to push an NBA ball player during a game, but its okay to throw balls at them. Even before game 3 i was calling for D Wade to atleast get a hefty fine for his actions on these threads. If none of you guys see a double standard in all of this then more power to you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, LeBron flops all the time. but being shoved over isn’t flopping. the hate is so real it’s starting to make people stupid.

    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2606667/lebronshove.gif

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m not speaking on the thrown ball thing. i haven’t seen it. everything i have heard about it, makes it sound like Wade was way out of line. so based on what i’ve heard, i agree. And I am not disagreeing that there may be a double standard, i just honestly didn’t see it.

  • Bruce Wayne

    Wow..I knew the guy flopped sometimes, but after watching this, I have lost a LOT of respect for LeBron..For those in the younger generation that never saw MJ play and want to compare the two, I did watch MJ growing up, and he NEVER did stuff like this, as far as I can recall. So there you go

  • pposse

    i wasnt referring to the shove, i was referring to the foul he committed before all that nonsense. Lebron exaggerated that push bro; you know im a bulls fan..how about we ask some Spurs fans…http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214066

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what? the shove is the push. you are saying LeBron over sold it but still got shoved over? who cares HOW FAR he slid back? shoving a guy over is a flagrant. automatically. who cares if he slid an extra 2 feet. Nazr was in the wrong. Stop defending Nazr because LeBron flopped. EVERYONE FLOPS. your beloved Derrick Rose flops. Luol Deng flops.

    - CARLOS BOOZER PROBABLY FLOPPED OUT OF BED.
    .
    The refs suck. We all agree on this. None of it excuses Mohammad for his actions.

  • shockexchange

    Sounds like wishful thinking on your part Max. The Shock Exchange has the crown and everybody wants it. (Marlo Stansfield voice) “But what’s the point of having the crown if you keep getting your ____ took?”

  • pposse

    whats the ruling on this? Nazr got a technical and an ejection, why did he get ejected? Was that a flagrant2 they called, i dont even kno anymore. Van Gungy said on the broadcast that Mohammad will get ejected cause Lebron fell over. People are saying he got ejected because of the way Lebron fell down, so yes, the slide does matter.

  • Max

    Yall heard it from the man himself people!

  • Max

    I wouldn’t really call it a flop, just some overacting.
    His fall excellerates when he’s past Jimmy Butler.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah he sold it. he didn’t flop tho lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yes the fact that LeBron fell over is why he got ejected. It’s not how far he fell…lol. And LeBron was falling over no matter what, not that far, he definitely sold it. But he 100% got shoved over.
    .
    The first foul Nazr committed was the flagrant. That was a bad foul, no reason to come down with both arms on a player and wrap him up at half court. He didn’t make a play on the ball. So by the rules, it was a flagrant foul. There is really no controversy with why he got the flagrant 2.

  • russian guy

    This comes back to the point of pure and simple narrative.If people want to believe in the invincible King Lebron,he is not a flopper.Before he won a ring and played THAT great,he was a flopper.Chris Paul is one of the most respected players by fans and media and maybe the biggest flopper in the game right now.It is all about the story people can tell themselves to feel better about what they think.

  • TBRK

    didn’t flop….just decided not to brace his fall……i guess that means he flopped lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    Exactly lol Reggie Miller would be so proud, somewhere John Starks’ face is buried in his palm lmao.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    Remember that series against the Wizards he had back in Cleveland, Blatche basically sent that man flying while he was in mid flight. This reminds of that same stuff man, but had that happened now everybody would try to dismiss that too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000166716900 Anthony Darnello Taylor Jr.

    you could easily tear something by stopping like that because nazr’s body weight approximately 270 plus momentum going on Lebron’s body which is also trying to adjust to an immediate stop in transition could easily result in severe stress on tendons/ligaments. This is only my opinion however.

  • NZ

    Chris Paul still takes the award for biggest flopper

  • Max

    Another reason I think alot of people call it a flop is because of his reputation as a flopper.

  • BigAl#13

    “The Art Of Flopping” Presented By Lebron James

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah. every player should have that reputation. if he was Chris Paul he would have fallen out of the arena.
    .
    Manu would have lost an entire limb.
    .
    Carlos Boozer would have yelled so loud that the car alarms in the parking lot would have all gone off at once.
    .
    Blake Griffin would have jumped back in time.

  • Max

    I don’t know about Boozer.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnmJgxft_s
    He didn’t even open his mouth or any of that stuff.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    lol all MJ did was get away with pushing off all the time, which probably led to the development of the flop. So it’s actually all MJ’s fault.

  • Redd

    You sound dumb, when the game is obviously fixed so as to ensure that the Heat win despite shutting down their top 2 players..you’re damn right Nazr should be pushing.

    I loved it & if it continue and leads to more ejections so be it, it’s deserved when a game is so blatantly rigged.

  • shockexchange

    And you sound like you’re from Chicago … unable to write a post without personally attacking someone. “That’s that ish he don’t like.”

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  • Brandan E

    Please Chicago, please im begging u to beat the heat..Please!!
    Chicago , my last hope resides in u!! Please dismantle this team!

  • Redd

    Oh

  • Cole

    Yeah those are all obvious flops except for the Chandler screen. I remember watching that game and he had no idea it was coming, plus you can see his neck snap forward. That one looked painful.

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    3 – 1

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    Probably lebron’s fault too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cardiac.is.here Evan Harris

    Wait, so when Wade shoved Rip Hamilton out of bounds last year and Rip fell why didn’t Wade get an ejection? Broadcasters called it a frustration foul by Wade but that’s BS.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjh5N1zVGgU

    Come on now.

  • pposse

    yup lebron played defense on everyone too; give lebron all the credit for shutting down our whole team

  • Max

    Yeah, but the reaction adterwards when he puts his arms in the air is pretty funny.

  • Lloyd

    Seeing this clip made it seem like Lebron wouldn’t have fallen down just from the force of the push. He could’ve regained his footing after the shove, he chose to fall. 1) The fall looks pretty controlled 2) Lebron looks back to make sure the way is clear before he dropped. Doesn’t seem like something a person who is out of control/off balance would/could do 3) Dude did cover a ridiculous amount of space with that fall.

    If he did choose to fall instead of being pushed over, then that is clearly a flop and shouldn’t have got Nazr thrown out. I think that’s what ppose is trying to say, not that Nazr wasn’t wrong for the shove itself.

    And I type this as Lebron just flopped his way to try and get a flagrant on lil’ Nate. He’s definitely had some Oscar worthy moments this season/playoffs.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He got shoved over. Looking to see where you are falling is natural. Choosing not to try and put your feet under yourself when you are falling and “controlling” your fall is a natural way to avoid injury.
    .
    Nazr is bigger than LeBron. Pposse is just arguing because he is a bulls homer. Logically speaking, when someone bigger than you shoves you backwards and you don’t see it coming, you are going to fall down.

  • I.Dont.Respond.2.Trolls

    THANK YOU! Man I can honestly say I hate Wade…or at least how dirty he plays…remember when he tripped up Rondo??

  • I.Dont.Respond.2.Trolls

    How many times do you think MJ got pushed off?

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    I was just being a troll. and you responded to me………

  • Lloyd

    If you don’t see it coming and are actually forcefully shoved over, it’s pretty difficult to control the fall since you’d be out of control most likely. Also, it’s pretty hard to look back to see if the way is clear before you fall if you’re out of control flailing. Granted, he’s a pro athlete so his reflexes are superior to that of a normal man, but it’s still pretty difficult.

    As for a natural way to avoid injury, without going into the science of it, taking a couple of steps back to regain balance isn’t any more dangerous than landing after an and 1 or any of his high flying baskets. I doubt the reason Lebron allowed himself to go flying was to avoid injury, seeing as it’s undisputable that his ground work of sliding back a couple metres shows that he’s trying to convince the refs to make a call. The actual fall is debateable whether it’s a flop or not, but the fact that he did successfully oversell it does lead one to lean towards the thinking that he’s not above orchestrating the actual fall as well.

    And Nazr and Lebron are the same weight, with Nazr being only 2-3 inches taller than Lebron. Lebron is also built sturdier and has more muscle. I find it hard to believe he could be pushed around by Nazr Mohammed without allowing it.

    I guess I just gave pposse the benefit of the doubt.

    Bottom line, every game this series I’ve seen Lebron obviously flop at least one or two times to try and get calls. There’s no reason to believe that this wasn’t one of those times, albeit, not as obvious an instance.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    like i said repeatedly above, LeBron sold the fall. But he was definitely falling. And trying to catch yourself when you are already falling is much harder than just embracing the fall and making it safe. Looking back when you are falling is easy and natural. i’m sure you do it, you probably just don’t even notice. who knows if he saw how “clear” it was, i’m not going to make an assumption about the wealth of knowledge he gained by looking back. i just know when a person is falling backwards, it is a natural reaction to look back, or put off the appearance of looking back (assuming your brain doesn’t register what you see for reason a: falling). And i know as a person who has fallen quite a bit in my life, and grew up around a bunch of gymnasts, that falling is a lot of times safer than trying to catch your balance. As long as you fall safely.
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    But again, like i said above, i think LeBron sold his fall to make it look more dramatic than it really was. But he was definitely falling. There is no reason to think otherwise.
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    Unless speculation is enough proof for you to form an opinion. Because really, all you are doing by saying he fell on purpose is speculating. None of the evidence suggests he chose to fall.

  • Lloyd

    Fair enough I am assuming quite a bit because there really is no way to know fo sure either way. It’s plain he fell, but judging from what both you and I have said, we can agree that he did choose to fall since it was controlled. The only thing we disagree on is WHY he did. You give him the benefit of the doubt and say he chose to fall to be safe, a more “innocent until proven flopping” mentality. He very well could’ve, but I just think that he’s been a “repeat offender” for so long, that it’s not that large an assumption to believe he fell to sell a flop.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol I dig this comment

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