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Friday, May 3rd, 2013 at 8:21 pm  |  158 responses

LeBron James Has Won His Fourth MVP Award


Not that there was any suspense to any of this, but on Sunday, LeBron James will be presented with the fourth regular season MVP award of his storied career. James joins elite company, becoming just the fifth player in NBA history to win the award four times (the others are Michael Jordan, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain). Per ESPN: “The only suspense remaining is in the final tally and how far James distanced himself in the voting from the other candidates this season, include Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant and Chris Paul of the Los Angeles Clippers. The Heat are scheduling an awards presentation Sunday, and James also will be presented the MVP trophy by NBA commissioner David Stern at AmericanAirlines Arena at the start of their second-round series next week in Miami. The Heat, who have been idle for a week, swept their first-round playoff series against Milwaukee and will face either Chicago or Brooklyn in the conference semifinals, starting Monday. The Bulls and Nets play Game 7 of their first-round series Saturday in Brooklyn. James has said for weeks that he would be honored to be mentioned alongside Jordan, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar and Russell in MVP recognition. But James said Friday that he’s more focused on the playoffs and helping the Heat defend their title. [...] James averaged 26.8 points, 8.0 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 1.7 steals and one block in 76 games in his 10th season in the league. He shot career-best percentages from the field (.565) and 3-point range (.406) and ranked in the top 10 in scoring, assists, steals and field-goal percentage among those who played in at least 70 games this season. Last week, James finished second in Defensive Player of the Year voting for the second time since 2009. He led the Heat to a franchise-best 66-16 finish, which included the best home record in team history and a 27-game winning streak that was the second-longest in NBA history, behind the 33-game streak set by the 1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers.”

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  • http://twitter.com/WolfOMatic15 BMW

    Who?

  • Max

    Should’ve gone to the Birdman!

  • dino rajasaur

    2nd G.O.A.T

  • LLC#12

    Some of the potential comments that this thread will generate…
    1. LeBron is now the GOAT!
    2. LeBron is catching up to MJ, only needs 1 more MVP!
    3. LeBron will never catch MJ!
    4. LeBron will never catch Kobe!
    5. LeBron is a bum and I hate him for no rational reason!
    6. MVP should have gone to (insert undeserving player name here)!

  • Karl

    Well deserved didn’t belong to anyone else this year but LeBron. Insane FG and 3pt percentages along with the numbers

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  • Noompsi

    LBJ. The most boring awesome player to ever play. Sure I’d have him on my team… but he ain’t the GOAT.

  • roscoe

    MVP are like a gold star…

    they feel great when your 5…

    but by the time you become an adult you realize gold stars are a con.

    all that matters is those gold balls Bron bron… keep’em coming.

  • Noompsi

    5.

  • roscoe

    yep… ur beat p/up team couldn’t use bron bron at all.

    keep dreaming

  • The Seed

    LeBron will not win a ring this year and the NBA world will turn on him. Skip will being to hate him again. Stephen A will call him out, eventhough he is a dear dear friend. PTI will call him a fraud and question his heart. Mike and Mike will talk about how he needs to get on Kobe and MJ level. Barkley will praise him for trying hard. Wade will cry with his makeup on, true. Can’t Wait!!!

  • ALvher

    The First LeBron James ! the Chosen One !

  • house

    Not a Lebron fan, but he deserves it. He’s a fantastic basketball player and a great ambassador for the game.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Not even close. Better season than he had last year. Hasn’t been a player who separated himself from the rest like him since Jordan.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The MVP awards also matter. Clearly. There are plenty of guys with championships and no MVPs. Bench warmers. No one remembers most of their names. The list is short of guys with 4 MVPs and a bunch of championships. That’s the list LeBron is about to be on.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Every real basketball fan should be offended that you mentioned the name Skip here. He’s disliked him from the beginning and he won’t be changing. Name the team who will defeat the Heat. If it’s a team other than the Spurs, you’re wrong. Don’t see why you thought that Wade line was clever or funny. Your team is done, exactly why are you talking trash about other teams that are still playing? Much less the best team in the playoffs who has been sitting home waiting to see who they will play next for 5 days.

  • roscoe

    you’re point is taken.

    and a volley back w/ the list of guys w/ 4 MVPs is like a bumper sticker…

    the bumper sticker that says you were student of the month.

  • http://twitter.com/arthurissupreme Arthur Stewart

    as many mvp’s as shaq kobe and kg combined

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    Really happy for you that you are thinking positively.

  • http://twitter.com/MarioSerranoliv Mario Serrano

    So who has a chance against the Heat in your eyes?

  • RKJ92

    Mountain goat dumb.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Seriously comparing an MVP award in the NBA to a bumper sticker for student of the month? The list of guys with 4 MVPs includes Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, and Kareem. Not really that smart to say that those awards won by those guys are as unimportant as student of the month bumper stickers. Especially since those guys 25 championships between them. MVP awards added to the greatness of those seasons. They weren’t just footnotes on their careers. Championships are more important but the award that’s next in line in importance is the MVP award. Comparing them to student of the month bumper stickers is silly.

  • danpowers

    on 2.: needs 5 more rings n even then id not be so sure
    on 3.: indeed.
    on 4: surpassed him already. n will do so undisputedly by winning one more ring to even their rings they earned as the main guy on a team.
    on 5: you will miss him once he retires
    on 6. (melo)

  • danpowers

    well deserved

  • ctk

    REAL Debate is who 3-5…lol

  • danpowers

    3 melo 4 paul 5 parker

  • roscoe

    Point taken.

    and I volley back the MVP award is more like the honor role.

    the bumper sticker is a con, just like the gold star.

  • MATT

    6. could definitely make an argument for melo but to be honest i haven’t liked lebron since 2009 playoffs so i havent been keeping up with his season but anyways. melo = scoring champ,having the best W-L record in november and december then bringing the Knicks back from a mid season slump to win 13 straight and bring the Knicks to 2nd in the east compared to last years 7th.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    He doesn’t need 5 more rings to be in the conversation with Jordan. If he keeps up this statline and keeps racking up MVPs for the next 4 or 5 years, the GOAT discussion will only include 2 players…him and Jordan. 4 rings will be enough for that discussion to be had. 4 rings, 4 Finals MVPs, already 4 regular season MVPs. If he gets only 3 rings, he’ll push Kobe aside in the top 5 all-time discussion. Jordan isn’t untouchable. By the time he’s done, the Jordan/LeBron conversation will be a lot more fun to have than the Kobe/Jordan conversation.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What kind of basketball fan doesn’t keep up with the best player? No argument for anyone besides LeBron especially after that 27 game winning streak. Durant will finish 2nd in voting again. Not Melo.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    How is the MVP award like the honor roll?

  • danpowers

    hhhmmmm i dont know man. jordan was something else. james imo would not only have to keep his level of play but also shift his game one level up. he cant just sometimes be a dpoy type of player. jordan showed that each game each minute each second. james often holds back on that end to save energy. jordan “drove his kids home from school as if it was game 7″ (forgot the source of that quote about jordan. was from that dream team documentary) and this is what jordan seperates from all. also from james. james is probably better than anybody else who ever played behind jordan and right now. he plays his a*s off to be the best right now. jordan played his a*s off to be the best AND to kill his opponent in any aspect of the game in any minute and second.

    i know its hard to compare them 1 on 1 as james has other (n probably more) responsibilities on d than jordan had. to me that doesnt change these aspects tho

  • Noompsi

    On another topic… NBA is IMO going downhill quickly. Double fouls are stupid, if called properly sure but it doesn’t work to just call it automatically (see Griffin/Randolph). Also… what happened to the hard foul? the playoff foul?? Imagine Isaiah and the old Pistons today? I swear the NBA is doing it’s best to lose global fans.
    LBJ is good at everything… but not the best at any one thing. Give me a player who is the best scorer… the best rebounder… best shot-blocker… best in clutch… whatever. IMO the best player should dominate. LBJ plays with 3 all-stars then has the L’s best 3 point shooters on the wing. So there is no comparisons to Jordan.

    NBA and the way it’s going with ticky tack foul calls and flagrants on good hard fouls… it’s all a bit… well… meh.
    Now all the good players are injured (well… a lot) LBJ should win another one.
    BTW I want to believe… I wish I were an LBJ fan. But dude is boring to watch.
    Miami will flog NYKnicks. Then face ???

  • Noompsi

    Just watched my Clipps gone. Terrible officiating. Joey Crawford is the worst!!

  • danpowers

    more people will rather remember malone, ewing, stockton, miller, wilkins, king, english or barkley as all time greats of the game than they would remember guys like fisher, malik rose, samaki walker, milicic or brian cardinal. the first group of players will go down as winners, all time greats, legends of the game. most of that group didnt even win an mvp. the second group of players did their job well, they aint losers (i guess) but rather forgotten and less respected names than the first.

    a championship is all what an athlete should care about and try to win. but it is flatout stupid to only judge players by winning or not winning a chip. there is so much more in sports, also basketball, that can be achieved and should be honored. the legacy of guys like these is not lesser than the legacy of champions. some great guys were just not lucky enough. maybe you need to be an athlete, too to understand that.

  • danpowers

    the nba is going downhill? dude, where were you in the 2000s?

  • danpowers

    i dont think that the refs are the reason for that but yes, crawford should retire. he became an awful ref

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What we can say about LeBron that we can’t say about anyone else, including Jordan, is that scoring almost seems like something he does at times only because he can’t find an open man. LeBron scores 30 at times only by accident. He’d get 35 or more a night if he decided to just be a scorer. He averaged 30 a night one season with an inconsistent jumpshot. He doesn’t have that killer instinct every night, but it’s almost as if he doesn’t need it to dominate. If he played with the scowl every night like he did in Game 6 in Boston last season, it would be downright scary. He may get there. But even if he doesn’t, I would still put him in that conversation because of how easy he makes it look and how he controls games by both scoring and passing depending on what’s needed. He makes players around him better than Jordan did. What separates them, awards and accolades aside, is Jordan’s mindset. No one has come close to it. But the fact that LeBron is doing all of this and looking almost bored at times doing it? Pretty crazy.

  • Noompsi

    I was here. Been watching NBA since 89. NBA is the worst it’s ever been NOW.

  • MUBWAR

    sorry he got more. each one of those players got only 1 regular season MVP

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Joey wanted to be the star tonight, as he usually does, and he made it happen.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Don’t have to be the best at any one thing to be the best overall. Name one player who was the best scorer, rebounders, shot blocker and best in the clutch at the same time. Jordan played with Pippen (in discussion for best defender ever), Rodman (in discussion for best rebounder ever), and was coached by Phil Jackson (in discussion for best coach ever). If you don’t think LeBron dominates, you haven’t watched enough. The comparison to Jordan is the fact that he’s clearly ahead of the next best player like Jordan was. All of those things you say LeBron has…they all work because of him. Wade, Bosh, Allen, they’re all better because they play with him. There isn’t a player who has the kind of influence on the game on both sides of the floor like LeBron does right now. He scores when he wants and defends positions 1 through 4. He’s easily the most dominant player. The best scorer in the league now (whether you think it’s Melo or Durant) doesn’t play defense like LeBron. The best shot blocker in the league now (Dwight) can’t shoot free throws or dominate in the post. The best in the clutch (Melo or Kobe) again, can’t play defense. You can’t be a real basketball lover if you think watching LeBron is boring. Dominance is boring? I’d rather watch him than Durant, Melo, Kobe or Dwight. I want to watch the guy who is capable of leading a sorry Cavs team to the Finals basically by himself. Game 6 in Boston last season in the ECF was boring? Game 5 in Detroit in 2007 was boring? Triple double in Game 5 of the Finals last season was boring? San Antonio, OKC (when Westbrook is playing), Golden State with how they played in round 1, Memphis…there are teams that are fun to watch. Open your mind up a little bit. Just because the game is different doesn’t make it worse.

  • Drig

    While I’m happy for LBJ and think he was the most deserving guy this season, it still feels weird to think of him having only 1 MVP less than Kobe, Shaq, DWade, Tim and KG combined.

    I could say that about everyone that got 4 MVPs as well though. Kinda feels awkward thinking about it…….

  • Drig

    This is why I get irritated with a few ‘old-school’ fans. So Jordan didn’t play with the 2nd best perimeter player in the L? Didn’t play with the best coach in teh L? Didn’t play with great 3pt shooters? Didn’t play with defensive studs like Rodman?

    LBJ is boring to watch for me as well. But not because he’s bad. Far from it. I’ve grown accustomed to watching Kobe try to rise above the situation instead of making the best outta it like LBJ. And I hope you’re the same.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The league has been around since 1946…you’ve been watching only since 89 so you can’t say it’s worse now than it’s ever been unless you’ve watched each season or at least read up on each season. Nah. We’re at a point now where there are a good number of superstar players, star players, up and coming stars and solid role players. Next year’s draft class will add to that. By the time guys like KG, Pierce, Duncan, Kobe, Nash and Nowitzki are done, they will be replaced by young stars capable of carrying the league. LeBron, Wade, D-Rose, Durant, CP3, Dwight, Westbrook, Kyrie…so many guys. The league is in good hands.

  • Drig

    3. Kobe 4. CP3 5. WB/Duncan. I’m being harsh on CP3 but the recent 1st round ouster has cost him points with me. Give me week and I’ll probably move him back to 4.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That’s just an argument for why Melo had a good season.

  • Drig

    No two-way unstoppable big men :( .

  • Drig

    I would say Memphis has a solid chance if it can force it into a grinding match. Miami’s frontline, even with LBJ, can’t match up with the physicality of Memphis’ frontline in a 7 game series. However, Miami’s perimeter play is better though. Plus, both teams can play great individual AND team D.

    IMO, that series would be spectacular.

  • Dagger

    Just stop trying.

    Yes, championships mean more than anything else. Yes, MVPs matter a hell of a lot too. When we judge greatness, we take both into account, along with stats and lesser awards.

    There. That’s all there is to it.

  • http://twitter.com/MookDaChosen1 Mook

    damn dawg get lebrons nutsack off ur mouth. not the best at one thing but good at a collection of things. all this lebron dick riding is nauseating.

  • Dagger

    There’s a new (absurd) criticism with each MVP. Seems like Lebron has finally reached that point where the worst thing you can say about him is that he’s boring. Good for him, I guess, but seriously: boring? The guy can do literally everything on the court, he makes five or so impossible plays every game, and he’s boring? Ridiculous.

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    I guess you didn’t sense my sarcasm.

  • MATT

    well a BASKETBALL fan not a hypebeast fan for starters and someone who thinks the only reason he’s doing so well is because defense’s no longer focus on him solely because of wade, allen and to an extent bosh if he was still on the cavs he would probably be scoring champ and 3rd overall on defense. and sure fair point with durant but i reckon the knicks going from 7th to 2nd in one season is pretty huge and more deserving but i guess aslong as mike woodson wins coach of the year im fine with but no more MVP’s for lebron he really is an overhyped player with a bandwagon the size of asia

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!

  • Darksaber

    And a well deserved honour. Bravo.

  • Darksaber

    Does the league have a MCR too? Most controlling ref? Cause we all know who owns that one, eh Joey?

  • Jone

    the problem with melo is is that he only knows one thing… and that’s to shoot (shoots to much)… he cant defend and cant or would not pass the ball… that is not an MVP type of player… he doesn’t make anyone better.

  • tim

    Golden Child Guy, I agree that Crawford needs to retire, but the Clips lost without him.

  • ‘Bout It

    I realize that you are trying to point out that championships are the most important thing you can win in the NBA, but trivializing MVP awards makes you look ignorant.

    The MVP award is unlike a gold star or bumper sticker or even the honor roll because it is only given out to one person per year. Beyond that, it is the most prestigious individual award given out by the NBA. A better academic analogy would be like winning valedictorian. Except for the entire country.

    Winning the most prestigious individual award in any field is an accomplishment. Winning it four times is incredible. Your argument is ridiculous.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Ill pick 3…but this is his first MJ-like amazing season, i think….. Not just based off numbers ,but the aura of invincibility, being completely unstoppable, and this was a legendary season (heat streak, 60% shooting streak) etc…..ii looked at him totally different… Amazing what you can do without the weight of the world on your shoulders! Sports Psychology is amazing.

    Unfortunately, i picked 3 because Jordan def won 72 games, and he WON DPOY and MVP in same season…. Lebron still has far to go to match MJ. AND he wont, but thats fine..creating his own lane,word to jcole…

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Look at this way, another reason to let your coach go……not playing Jamal Crawford??? No excuse…….!

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    glad he won it, not a bad choice.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    amen

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    you sir….. dont know what your talking about

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Where is Mike Ditka? Stop it!

  • COYNE

    I strongly dislike Miami, but i hope nothing more than for NYK to get rolled if they make it to the ECF against Heat. LeBron will dominate Melo.
    Lots of Love,
    Bitter Boston Fan

  • http://twitter.com/trueballer4lif1 Melvin flynt

    yes LBJ 2 the world!.. 4 time mvp!

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Wow. Don’t know where to begin. You’re out of your mind if you think LeBron is overhyped and Melo is more deserving than he is. Mike Woodson won’t win Coach of the Year. And Melo won’t win MVP. So you won’t be fine.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Find one thing I said wrong. Did those games not happen? Or do you just feel like sounding stupid today?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Agreed. Chalmers would have a tough time dealing with Conley to the point where LeBron would have to guard him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/OMGitsKINGDAVID Kinq David II

    smh stop giving the MVP to bums !!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/OMGitsKINGDAVID Kinq David II

    6. shoulda been Melo, bum ass Lebron has a super team

  • http://www.facebook.com/OMGitsKINGDAVID Kinq David II

    lebron is still not better than kobe

  • http://twitter.com/MarioSerranoliv Mario Serrano

    I wasn’t quite sure who you were replying to, but the first guy with his comment sounds pretty positive.

  • shockexchange

    “The Rules” do it again. Aaarrrrggghhhh! What has the Shock Exchange wrought?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You forget that the biggest reason why it’s super is him.

  • Josias Johnson

    If this was 2005 Ray Allen and 2009 Rashard Lewis, you’d have an argument. But 2013 Ray Allen is just a shooter. Same with Rashard Lewis. So besides LeBron, Wade and Bosh, there’s nothing super about them. It’s the same thing as Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman. Who called that team super?

  • ATL dynamite

    Kevin Durant becomes the 2nd again.

  • danpowers

    oh boy. i agree that the officiating became a bit soft for my taste but we never saw that much talent and athleticism in the league b4. never. i agree that there is a lack of fundamentals especially among young players but even this is slightly improving over the last 2 or 3 years. the dark ages of the 2000s are over my friend.

  • danpowers

    so what? we got a ton of talented wings and great guards. i think we all miss those dominant big men like olajuwon ewing robinson shaq mourning etc but every age got its pros and cons. they might come back in a few years tho, nobody knows what the future holds

  • Bandwagonfan

    Wade and a slim power forward, then the rest are an old shooter’ , average players. But since they are in lebron team, they become much better. Imagina if lebron were kelo, kobe, or someone else

  • Bandwagonfan

    S you think jr smith, iman shumpert, felton, chandler and kidd are nothing compared miami heat players? Whoopsss

  • Bandwagonfan

    Thats why we tend to watch kyrie melo curry harden kobe or someone else. Its boring seeing one guy dominate too much

  • Bandwagonfan

    Lebron, streaks with 30 pts games with 60%shooting pct, bring his team to a 27 streaks 2nd in history.. 50something shootingnpct, 40 something 3pt pct. yes i prefer melo to watch. Hes boring cus dominate too much. He is playing the simple way yet so unstopable

  • Josias Johnson

    Based on talent, I’ll take JR, Shumpert, Felton, and Chandler over Chalmers, Cole, and Birdman. Besides Wade and Bosh, the Knicks are easily more talented. Switch Melo and LeBron and the Knicks would be better than the Heat. Amar’e could play and be who he is instead of having to come off the bench. Chandler would be better.

  • Bandwagonfan

    cmon man does he need to kill his teammates then take every forced shot to be mvp? He is the fucking core of the best team this season you fucking moron.

  • Bandwagonfan

    This rational comment is so rare. What a hipster

  • Josias Johnson

    I’ll give you Kyrie, Curry and Harden, but watching Melo and Kobe shoot shot after shot isn’t that exciting for me. Rose, Westbrook, CP3, Rondo, LeBron…those guys are fun to watch to me.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Dude i dont know how bosh got picked to allstar. And it shouldve been kyrie starting over him. Its cus of spo. And do you know how much and1 lebron made? Exactly.ma foul or not doesnt matter. Cs he wont force shot.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Curry,kobe,kyrie,lebron,melo,cp3,rose,duncan,durant,westbrook. They are all sucks! Thats what your sayin rite? Why dont u ask david stern to allow the chokeslam on a penetrating player?

  • Bandwagonfan

    He do it everytime. Its boring. Its getting normal.

  • Max

    Stop writing bum comments

  • Bandwagonfan

    True.. Much fun watching kobe struggles with competitive mind, a hot curry, melo than a over dominant lebron.

  • pposse

    if that happened Wade would step up and be the Wade of old. It would be Wade’s team, not Melo’s and the Heat would still be ridiculous.

  • Max

    Plays with 2 allstars.
    LBJ dominates = he is the best player.
    They have the best 3 point shooters because of the attention Lebron and Dwade get.

  • pposse

    why does Lebron get all the love for that 27 game win streak? Wade was getting something like 22 ppg on %55 shooting for most of that streak too. You all are clearly overlooking Wade and the fact that he very well could be the second best baller in the league right now. Wade has to tone down his game cause he plays alongside the best baller in the league. Lebron has crazy talent on his team right now, you guys all sh*t on Wade like he’s some sort of joke. Dude is the third best SG of all time and he’s still playing at a top level!

  • Max

    The Memphis bigs together are exactly that! :)

  • Bandwagonfan

    Where have you been? I thoughgt rational comments were banned in 2013

  • Max

    What was so terrible?
    The Clippers fouled alot.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Kobe got that competitive head man its crazy. And melo is good too

  • pposse

    exactly the big man is non existent in this league. They need to scale back on the promotion of athletic plays. Slow the game back down. Big men can’t survive in this age of basketball cause the pace of the game is way too fast, plus everyone is getting injured!

  • Drig

    Not just that. They’re above average shooters who look exceptional because of LBJ and Wade.

    Below average shooters with LBJ and Wade aren’t gonna be shooting lights out.

  • Josias Johnson

    No. Wade is still great but he’s not who he used to be. He’d step up but it would take a lot out of him especially since Melo wouldn’t make things easier for him the way that LeBron does. The fact that you said it would be Wade’s team instead of Melo’s says all that needs to be said about Melo. Not a leader. The Heat would be good, but they would have 3 guys who all need the ball and Wade would have to be the facilitator which he can do…but not as well as LeBron does it.

  • pposse

    so Lebron makes Wade, Bosh and Allen better, but having those guys on your team doesn’t make Lebron’s life easier? Thats absurd. You make it seem like its a one way streak, but the reality is Wade, Bosh and all the three pt gunners on the Heat make Lebron life easier too.

    I still say you can replace Lebron with any other superstar in the game and the Heat are still the favorites to win a championship. replace Lebron with Kobe, KD, Carmello and the Heat are still the favorites. The only team I can see being considered favorites over the Heat are the Lakers (currently constructed) with Lebron in place of Kobe.

  • Josias Johnson

    Kobe’s competitive and Melo is a great scorer. But look at that Boston series he just played…I’d rather see LeBron’s 30, 7 and 7 on 55% shooting than Melo’s 10-35 shooting and 2 assists.

  • Drig

    I just read your post and saw this : You can’t be a real basketball lover if you think watching LeBron is boring.

    Actually……..no. People expect different things from basketball. I, as I stated above, get excited when players manage to rise above the situation, even if they fail repeatedly to get there.

    Others can get excited when they see players maximize the return from the situation and make the right basketball play.

    That doesn’t mean one guy is not a basketball lover and the other is one. It simply means people enjoy different things when watching the game.

  • pposse

    that core is three deep. The Miami Heat are not all about Lebron, Lebron will tell you that himself.

  • Drig

    Damn straight. So happy they disposed of the Clips as well.

  • Drig

    I was simply saying not everything is or will be better.

  • Josias Johnson

    You’re missing it. Those guys do make LeBron’s life easier, but they don’t really make him better.. there’s a difference. LeBron is 30, 7 and 7 a night regardless of where he plays. He’d do that with the Bobcats. He did that with Mo Williams, Delonte West and those boys. The players who receive his passes now are much better than the guys he had in Cleveland. That makes the game easier for him, but it doesn’t make him a better player really. Just makes it tougher to try to defend him. His statline hasn’t drastically changed in Miami. He has more of an impact on teammates than they have on him. Wade and Bosh shot the best percentages from the field than they ever have this season because of him. Replace LeBron with any other player like Kobe, KD and Melo and the Heat wouldn’t get past the team that LeBron goes to. Him on the Lakers, Thunder, or Knicks would be better than KD, Melo or Kobe on the Heat. Because those guys aren’t passers and don’t make guys better in the way that LeBron does. You should know that.

  • Drig

    LeBron guarding Conley would mean ZBo or Marc posting up Bosh. With all due to respect to Bosh, he’s gonna be destroyed.

    I say stick Chalmers on Conley, have Wade sag off of TAllen, have LBJ guard ZBo ( easier said than done. But he’s the most capable guy ) and force Memphis to beat them from the perimeter.

    On O, it’s simple. Have 4 perimeter players and Bosh. Stretch Memphis and move Gasol outta the paint.

    God, I wish we could’ve had it now…..

  • Bandwagonfan

    and e core of big three is lebron.

  • pposse

    no i do, but Wade would just assume the role Lebron had if he played with anyother superstar, bosh and three pt gunners

  • Max

    That’s true, that’s why Riley went after those guys.

  • Max

    Haha yeah, I had alot of my friends talking mad trash about how the Clips would destroy Memphis after game 1, so it feels extra good right now.

  • danpowers

    didnt you say something like the nba is going downhill?

  • LP @ThisisEther

    LOL 3rd best SG of all time?? Don’t get crazy, have some respect….I’m just gonna assume your top 3 is Jordan, Kobe, and Wade………….dont forget iverson, jerry west…reggie miller…george gervin…….just throwin some random names out there! (not to mention his teammate might be higher on the list than him right now, Ray Allen)

  • Josias Johnson

    Wouldn’t be the same role. Wade’s instincts are more like Kobe’s than LeBron’s. He’s a better passer than Kobe, but he’s still more of a scorer than anything else.

  • pposse

    all i know about Wade is when he is surrounded by talent, the Mami Heat team tend to win and win a lot. First yr in the league, win playoff series and win a take pacers to 6 next rd. First yr with Shaq, Wade and Shaq go to eastern conf finals, secon yr win a championship, third yr Wade injures shoulder and can’t compete. 4th yr wade is out for the most part and Shaq gets traded. Then D Wade plays 3 yrs with some mediocre players, still get to the playoffs and average ridiculous numbers. First yr with Lebron, finals, second yr with Lebron is a championship. D Wade has had major success in the league, give credit where its due. He also adapted his game to play alongside Lebron, he can adapt to play with anyone.

  • pposse

    d wade is better than those guys. He also has been on par or even better than kobe for the past 4-5 yrs too

  • Drig

    Nope. I simply said there weren’t any talented two-way bigs left in the L. The L can be the healthiest it has ever been in its history and what I said could and is true.

  • danpowers

    my bad. for whatever reason i got it twisted with that noompsi guy

  • Josias Johnson

    Depends on what you call winning a lot. 50 plus is winning a lot to me. Anything under that is slightly above average. Which means he didn’t win a lot when he was by himself. Just like T-Mac and Kobe. He won 59, 52 and 44 games with Shaq. After Shaq was traded and when he was healthy, the Heat won 43 and 47 games and were knocked out in the first round both seasons. He hit a big shot in the first round as a rookie, but he wasn’t a superstar at that point. Only averaged 17 that postseason. Like T-Mac and Kobe, he was capable of getting his team to the playoffs but not getting past the first round as the best player.

    He did adapt his game, but he didn’t completely change it. Without LeBron, he wouldn’t all of a sudden develop better vision and passing ability. He is extremely important to what the Heat do. While they were on that streak, he played out of his mind. It’s just that LeBron played better and got more attention because of it. With KD, Kobe or Melo playing with him, he would have to take on more of the facilitator role because he’s a better passer than those guys. But the team wouldn’t be just as good because he wouldn’t make the same decisions with the basketball that LeBron does. Ray Allen, Mike Miller and Mario Chalmers wouldn’t get the looks they get playing with LeBron. Not taking credit away from him. I’ve watched him. Never took credit away. Just said he’s not the guy who makes that team go. LeBron is because of his skillset. Which is why Wade told him to take over the team. Can’t just substitute other stars for LeBron and think the team wouldn’t take a step back.

  • pposse

    the 44 win season was because Wade was injured. he dislocated his shoulder, missed games, then came back just in time for the playoffs only to get swept. The Heat were rebuilding in the three seasons after shaq left. There was no one on that team, despite the lack of winning, Wade had a similar stat line to Bron. They ran into the Celtics twice in those yrs too, and once to Atl. He got out of the first rd is rookie season when he explained to the world thru his play that he is a better player than Baron Davis. You can’t pair Wade up with other superstars, the same way you can’t pair Lebron up with another superstar, the outcome will be in their favor. If Wade gets paired with top five talent, that team wins. If Lebron gets paired with top five talent, he wins. You can substitute other stars onto the Heat because both D Wade and Bosh are still there. Sorry but the Knicks with Lebron in place of Melo would be in a world of hurt against the Heat with Wade and Melo.

  • pposse

    If winning a lot is defined by winning 50 plus games, then Wade did that every single healthy year he has played with another top baller. Not only did they win 50 regular season games, they have reached the finals every single time too beside the first yr with Shaq when they got to the eastern conf. finals and lost to Detroit in seven (when Wade missed game 5 – 7 with a twisted rib).

  • Josias Johnson

    One shot proved he was better than Baron Davis? Nah. Baron had a better statline during that series. Wade proved he could take and make a big shot. But he didn’t prove that he was a better player. LeBron was paired with below average talent and he won 66 and 61 games in Cleveland. He had below average talent and made it to the Finals. He would win 50 to 60 plus regardless of which team he was on. It’s just the kind of player he is and how he makes his teammates better. They are not on the same level. That’s the point. That’s not a knock on Wade. It’s just the truth. Both Wade and Bosh feed off of LeBron. Bosh would suffer playing with Kobe, KD or Melo because he’d see the ball even less than he does now. You’re out of your mind if you think that Melo and Wade would beat LeBron, Shumpert, Felton, JR Smith, Amar’e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler. He and Jason Kidd even at his old age would pick that team apart before they stepped on the floor. World of hurt? Nowhere near it. That series would end in 5 games. Amar’e would turn into Phoenix Suns Amar’e if he had it in him. He’d see passes he hasn’t seen in 4 years. Chandler would feel like he’s playing with Chris Paul again.

  • Josias Johnson

    …LeBron had the best record in the league twice with Mo Williams, Big Z, Anthony Parker and those guys..not top players. Antawn Jamison was seen as an upgrade in Bron’s last season in Cleveland when he arrived, that’s how below average those teammates were. Exactly what are you trying to prove here? Wade isn’t LeBron. Melo, Kobe and KD aren’t LeBron. You seriously think that substituting the all around best player in basketball for a pure scorer/volume shooter who’s not interested in doing much else would make the Knicks worse and the Heat better? Explain how that works because I’m not seeing it at all.

  • Josias Johnson

    Grizzlies-Heat in the Finals wouldn’t be bad at all. Pretty good basketball to me. Ratings-wise, not a lot of people would want to see it probably. But I would. Bosh would be destroyed either way. But on offense he would bring Randolph or Gasol out to the perimeter making it easier for LeBron and Wade to get to the basket. I feel like LeBron would front Randolph more often than not making it tough for that pass into the post. You’re right, Wade would sag off of Tony and help down on Gasol and Randolph. LeBron on Conley would only be in the 4th quarter much like when he guarded Rose two seasons ago in the Conf Finals.

  • Josias Johnson

    You’re right there. People have different tastes, want to see different things. I took it as him saying he didn’t appreciate what LeBron was doing, may have misinterpreted it which is on me if I did. Actually, not watching D-Rose this season made it the most boring one for me in a while.

  • Josias Johnson

    Jerry West was better than Wade is. Wade is better than Iverson, Reggie and the Iceman were. But look at Jerry’s career stats. Wade can’t match that.

  • pposse

    so what Lebron had the best record, Wade didn’t have a bad record and he played with guys that were even worse then Bron. I never said the Heat woudl be better with Melo, but the Heat would still be a better team with Melo than Lebron with the current NY Knicks. Your are the foolish one if you don’t think so. Its cool tho, Wade is playing his part, he gets to be overlooked. Wade and Bron both know how to hoop, if Wade was able to make it work with Lebron nothing is really telling me that he can’t make it work with Carmello or any other superstar for that matter. The fact is, Lebron has the best ‘supporting cast’ ever, and Wade should’t really be considered supporting cast to anyone since he is an all time great, the guy has been playing better than Kobe Bryant for like 5 yrs now!!

  • pposse

    it wasn’t one shot! they won the series, and Wade was the best player on the court the whole series. The Heat had some very bad teams post shaq, and they still got to the finals. The Cavs lost to the same team that Miami lost to, in Boston so i really how much better was that team in comparison to the Heat?!

  • Drig

    Hard to say that. West’s range was unlimited. Think of Curry’s shooting. Plus he was a decent defender and slasher.

  • Josias Johnson

    Who mentioned Kobe? This is about Wade and LeBron. Your main point is Wade would just step into LeBron’s role if he was playing with Melo, KD or Kobe. That would mean that he’s the same caliber of player with the same skillset. That’s just not true. LeBron proved that with less than average talent, he can win 60 plus games. With the same level of talent around him, Wade couldn’t get to 50 wins. Anderson Varejao, Mo Williams, Delonte West, Antawn Jamison…compared to Mario Chalmers, James Jones, Jermaine O’Neal, Udonis Haslem…there’s not much of a difference in talent there. Boobie Gibson, Donyell Marshall, Drew Gooden, Ilgauskas? Those are the guys LeBron carried to the Finals. Compare them to that 09-10 Heat roster…pretty much the same level of talent. You seriously believe that Melo and LeBron are the same caliber of player when Stevie Wonder could see that Melo is just a scorer. LeBron is much more. How you got yourself to believe that Wade and Melo, two scorers, would be better than LeBron playing with STAT (who could play his game) and JR is beyond me. This isn’t PlayStation. JR could spot up in the corner and not have to get his own shot so much like he does now since Melo isn’t a facilitator. But go ahead with that belief. You won’t find many who agree with you. “I never said the Heat would be better with Melo, but the Heat would still be a better team with Melo than LeBron with the current Knicks”…what does that even mean? Are you unaware of who plays for the Knicks? You put LeBron’s game with Felton, JR Smith, STAT, Chandler, Shumpert? If he won 60 plus games in Cleveland playing with those guys, he’d almost win 70 with the Knicks roster. And he’s better now than he was in Cleveland. A starting lineup of Felton, Shumpert, LeBron, STAT and Chandler? With JR, Novak, JKidd, Kenyon Martin coming off the bench? Come on man. The Heat’s shooters wouldn’t get many shots. Definitely not the kind of shots they get playing with James.

    It’s not about Wade making it work with Melo. Melo couldn’t make it work with Wade. If Wade could distribute like LeBron can, I’d agree with you. But he can’t. Wade made himself into a supporting cast player albeit one who’s still a top 10 player. His statline this season looked like the statline of the 2nd best player on the best team in the league much like Scottie Pippen with Jordan. Nothing wrong with that. He chose to do it because he knows LeBron is the best player in the league. You’re arguing for a guy who has said so many times that he’s not as good as LeBron is.

  • Josias Johnson

    Look at the stats from that series particularly Baron Davis. He averaged 18 and 7. Wade averaged 15 and 5. Exactly how was Wade better the entire series? He scored 2 points one game. When did the Heat get to the Finals post Shaq with a bad team? Did they play a season that I don’t know about? Because the only season they got to the Finals post Shaq was when LeBron and Bosh arrived. The Cavs lost to Boston in the 2nd round and got 2 games against them. The Heat lost in the 1st round and Wade had to explode for 46 to get just 1 game from them. How is that the same? 1st round losses are worse than 2nd round losses.

  • pposse

    they eventually lost to the same team is what im saying. I meant to say ‘playoffs’ and not ‘finals’ don’t harp on that mistake too much. All Lebron really proved so far in the league is that he is the Peyton Manning of the NBA. Peyton Manning in the NFL gets ridiculous stats, wins regular season games, but then falls off hard in the playoffs. This is pretty much exactly what happens to Lebron. He had a propensity to choke pre-Wade in the games most critical moments, just like Peyton Manning throwing a pick in OT against the Ravens this yr. Without Wade we don’t even know if Lebron would play with such confidence that he is playing with now. He never did before. And seriously your trying to knock Wade, like his first playoff series was not a celebration?! Shaq chose Miami bc of D Wade and how similar he was to Kobe. The guy has been amazing since yr 1. That’s dispresepct when you sit around and say Wade is a top 10 baller, when he is a top 5 baller. IF all players were put in a draft pool and you as a GM have to assemble a team for only 1 yr D Wade is a top three pick. Lebron, KD, Wade thats the order of that draft.

  • pposse

    Wade is an all around ball player, he’s not just a scorer. He’s pretty much the third best baller in the league right now; but you guys refuse to acknowledge this cause Bron deserves all the credit in yalls minds. Wade and Bron both even said/ensued that he’s a top five baller in the league, not top ten top five! Talent will always win in the NBA. Rarely has this not been true, look at all the championship teams and how many HOF players are on them. Only time this didn’t happen was when your guy Lebron and the Heat lost to Dallas and before that when the Pistons with Larry Brown won. yall make basketball seem so damn complicated, its a five on five game, when you have 2 if not 3 top ball players all in their prime play on the same team you should win the title. Wade, Kobe or Melo or Kd or whomever is in replacement of Lebron would make it work. There are multiple formulas for winning, if someone has to do what Lebron does or if there is another way to mesh the talent is up to the coach, but i’ll still take wade and melo over lebron and the current knicks.

  • Josias Johnson

    LeBron didn’t play with confidence before Wade? Oh. So I guess Game 5 in Detroit in 07, that was just a fluke. His ridiculous playoff stats in Cleveland…played with absolutely no confidence. Wake up dude. Reality is that he had more moments when he came up big than moments when he disappeared in the playoffs. The moments when he didn’t come up big were talked about more before he led the Heat to a championship. Never lost in the 1st round.

    You have nothing here. Wade isn’t top 5 right now. Stop being such a fanatic and be objective. Everyone healthy, LeBron, KD, CP3, Dwight, D-Rose…those guys would be chosen before Wade. Saying he’s top 10 sounds like disrespect only to someone who’s so into a player that they can’t tolerate reading/hearing anything that’s not in line with how they see him. He’s 31. This isn’t 2009 anymore. Bottom line, you’re swinging at thin air. LeBron makes the Heat go. Without him, doesn’t matter who they replaced him with, they’d take a step back. The team he went to would win 50 games without any other star players playing with him. It’s been proven. Playing with the current Knicks, he’d win at least 60. Either you see it or you don’t.

  • Josias Johnson

    How is he 3rd best? What did he do this season to prove that? He had a great season, but LeBron, KD, Melo, CP3…all had better overall seasons. What were you watching? You sound almost emotional over this. No one said LeBron gets all of the credit. He just gets more than Wade does because he deserves it. Wade is no longer in his prime. Stop being so sensitive and watch a game or two. Can’t replace LeBron James. That’s really the point here. But he can replace and do better than any other star player in the league. That’s why the Knicks would be better and the Heat would be worse. Can’t educate someone who refuses to learn.

  • http://twitter.com/trueballer4lif1 Melvin flynt

    Lbj 2 the world!

  • roscoe

    You make a good point…

    but the ___ MVP is determined by the writers and other knuckle heads…

    if the award was given by nba players, coaches, and GMs over its history i might tend to agree with you…

    the ___MVP is subjective analysis, unlike my bumper sticker, gold star, and honor role analogy.

    by the way they have big boy honor role awards, its called a Pulitzer.

  • roscoe

    eh… i hear you but i won’t stop until it is awarded by the L’s peers or is handed out objectively.

    if they continue w/ the opinion of the subjective i encourage the L to give the award to the best player on the last team standing.

    and i know what you’re going to say, they do with a finals mvp, but my issue is the subjection involved…

    i respect your opinion.

  • roscoe

    you’re opening a can of worms which is “judging players by winning or not a chip”…

    i agree there are some great players you mentioned and some second group players that are no where near the previous group and have a chip.

    that is not an argument i am making or fighting.

    my point is the subjection of the mvp award… that’s it.

  • roscoe

    Well you would understand if you ever made the honor role, but I guess I have to explain it.

    do i have to?

  • danpowers

    i see

  • Dagger

    Players’ opinions are every bit as subjective as are the opinions of journalists. Ditto for GMs and coaches. Just have a look at some annual polls for players or GMs and tell me if the results are any more accurate than what journalists come up with. Sometimes being in the thick of things makes it harder to see the forest for the trees.

  • pposse

    see there’s no middle ground with lebron stans. either yall give him too much praise or too little. He plays with arguably the second best baller in the world.

  • pposse

    I didn’t include D Rose in anything cause he’s been injured. Sure go ahead, take Melo or CP3 over Wade, but thats the wrong decision. Wade does just as much as those guys in a backup role on his team. Your stretching if your thinking I am getting emotional over this. You can’t accept that Wade is a better ball player than Carmello or CP3; and I’m emotional cause you can’t agree with that or see that as being possible?! alright buddy, we can’t just agree to disagree one this then, Carmello and CP3 HAVE to be better than Wade; the same CP3 who got smoked in the first rd this yr, yeah im not buying that.

  • pposse

    31 is still a prime year, hence me saying for a single yr D Wade is still the more valuable player than everyone else in the league other than Lebron and Durant.

  • pposse

    it also doesnt matter if Bron wins 60 games with the knicks, i would agree with that too, but that team would still get smoked by Bosh, Wade and Melo in a playoff series.

  • pposse

    your tryin to tell me that if you surround Lebron with less talent that he currently has, that his team would be better. SMH at you; give me Wade, Kobe, Bosh…Wade, CP3, Bosh…Wade, Durant, Bosh….Wade, D Rose, Bosh over any Lebron led team, other than Lebron, Howard, Gasol. I’m riding with the talent dawg, same way Lebron did for the past three yrs.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Umm you know, wade can post such numbers because they have chemistry in miami heat.nwhen you watch the heat play, its like the core is lebron. Wade is oneof the best scoring option. Cause lebronis often fins him unguarded and he can also play pick and role. Nobdoubt wade is a great player but he accept e role as 2nd to lebron. Thats what makingg him better, and making lebron better as well. Afterall the heat is using some pattern plays thats seem effective.

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    I was replying to The Seed, he definitely sounded positive.

  • ‘Bout It

    The honor roll (not “role”) is a trivial award given out to all students who have slightly above average grades. Not really comparable to a Pulitzer because a Pulitzer, like the MVP, is also an award for excellence in a particular field. There are several different types of Pulitzers given out each year, but you don’t win a Pulitzer by meeting some minimum qualification, you win it because you were the best in something that year.

    I agree that the MVP is subjective. Most awards of this type are. However, I would argue that a panel of people who are not employed by the league are able to be more objective than people who are. But being a subjective award should not make it any less valuable, or winning four any less impressive. People don’t just randomly win the MVP, they earn it by having excellent seasons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/OMGitsKINGDAVID Kinq David II

    lol i was just mad, Lebron is on his way to GOAT talk

  • Max

    lol

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