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Saturday, May 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am  |  100 responses

Post Up: Achieve and Advance

Knicks, Pacers, Thunder and Grizzlies are going to the second round.

Knicks 88, Celtics 80 (Knicks Win Series 4-2)

The Knicks did everything in their power to throw the game away late and bring the series back to New York for a Game 7 showdown. But, the Knicks held on to win their first playoff series in over a decade, despite a 19-0 fourth quarter run that cut a 26-point lead down to just four. For the Celtics, it was a tremendous effort but too little, too late, and quite possibly, the end of an era for a team that has seen great success. As the final seconds wound down, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and coach Doc Rivers looked on solemnly as the Knicks celebrated a series clinching win in TD Garden.

After dropping two straight games, the Knicks came out focused from the start, holding the Celtics to just 10 points to take a 14-point lead after one. The Knicks continued to hold the Celtics at bay and built their lead to 26 while holding the Celtics to a putrid 49 points. Then, out of nowhere, the Celtics woke up from their sleepwalk and began to put the pressure on the Knicks.

Avery Bradley showed signs of life for the first time since Game One and harassed any and every Knick that found themself on the perimeter. Jeff Green starting driving to the rack and finishing, and Paul Pierce, the Celtics longtime leader, broke out of his slump. By the time the Knicks realized what was going on, the Celtics had cut the lead to just four, sending the home crowd into a frenzy and instilling hope in a team that had once been down 3-0.

With the Knicks reeling and their terribly inefficient ‘All-Melo Everything Offense’ stalled, guard Iman Shumpert came up huge and bailed his teammates out on both ends. Not only did the second year pro—who, just a year ago tore his ACL in the opening round—lock up Paul Pierce on defense, Shumpert hit a few clutch shots and came up with a key steal and basket late to break a 4:43 scoring drought and put the Knicks up 77-69 with five minutes to go. Shumpert finished with 17 points, 6 boards, 2 steals and was undoubtedly imperative to New York’s win.

Boston kept fighting and cut the lead back down to six but Anthony hit a three-pointer and J.R. Smith converted a three-point play to push the lead back to double-digits and put this series on ice. The Celtics put up a valiant fight but couldn’t pull off another victory.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Celtics this off-season as the enter the summer with a lot of questions surrounding Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo. The possibility of a new-look 2013-’14 Celtics is now very real due to contract situations and injuries. The Knicks, on the other hand, live to see another day and are in for a physical series against a Pacers team that matches up very well. With only a day off before Game One, the Knicks need to regroup and prepare for another tough slew of games. —Peter Walsh

Pacers 81, Hawks 73 (Pacers Win Series 4-2)

A nine-point second quarter by the Hawks spelled the end of their season last night. Indiana led by eight at halftime and expanded the lead to 15 after three.

The Pacers were able to overcome a bad shooting night by Paul George (2/10) thanks to some stellar defense. The Hawks were only 3-for-19 from deep and 26-for-78 (33.3 percent) overall.

The Game 6 box score looks eerily similar to Game 5’s for the Hawks. Josh Smith scored 14 points on 16 shots for the second straight game. Al Horford (14 & 9 in Game 5) went for 15 and 7. Jeff Teague followed his 3-for-16 performance on Wednesday with a 3-for-12 night on Friday. The team made a third of their attempts—same as in Game 5. They weren’t good enough to win the fifth game of the series, and they didn’t elevate their game at all in the sixth. Pretty lame showing with the season on the line at home.

The Pacers got 21 from each of George Hill and David West. Roy Hibbert double-doubled with 17 and 11 and Lance Stephenson did some of everything—8 points, 11 boards, 6 assists, a steal and a three.

So the Hawks’ season is over, but that shouldn’t surprise anybody. They lack real star power and were mediocre all season—both evident throughout this series. They’ll now shift their focus to a big offseason, where Smith can walk via free agency (how about a sign-and-trade to Houston for a package centered around Thomas Robinson?) For the Pacers, the battle is just beginning.

They’ll draw the Knicks in the second round in what should be a great series. There are awesome matchups to watch all over the place. George on Carmelo Anthony (though Melo will probably see some of the bigger West as well). Stephenson on JR Smith. Hill on Ray Felton. Hibbert and Tyson Chandler battling in the post.

The two teams faced off four times in the regular season, and the home team won each game. The Pacers limited Melo (22 points, 38 percent) and Smith (14.5 points, 37 percent) in the regular season matchups, and the Knicks will need their key scorers to be better if they want to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals.

Meanwhile, New York has to slow down George, who averaged 20 points, 7.3 boards, 5.5 assists and 2.5 steals per game in the four meetings and will be fresh off of a huge series against Atlanta despite the down game last night. Indiana will, of course, rely heavily on their star in Round 2. Can’t wait.—Leo Sepkowitz

Thunder 103, Rockets 94 (Thunder Wins Series 4-2)

The Houston Rockets ran out of red glare Friday night at the Toyota Center after falling 103-94 to the Oklahoma City Thunder, who advance to the second round to face the Memphis Grizzlies.

Down 0-3, the Bayou City ballers battled back to win two straight, forcing a Game 6 at home.

But the Thunder proved to be too much to handle.

“I’m at a loss for words right now,” said Patrick Beverley, who flourished in his starting role as point guard during the series. “My mind is set to play Game 7. It’s frustrating right now.”

No one was more frustrated than former Rocket Kevin Martin after Game 5, though. The former Rockets scorer, who was traded to OKC for James Harden came up lame in Chesapeake Arena, finishing with an embarrassing three points.

“The last 48 hours after Game 5, I couldn’t even look my teammates in the eye because I felt so bad,” said Martin.

Kevin Durant, the undisputed leader of the defending Western Conference champs, noticed Martin’s exasperation, and reached out to his teammate via text message to encourage and reassure him for Game 6.

“I had faith that he was going to come out and be aggressive and have a really good game,” said Durant, who finished with 27 points, said of Martin. “He’s a big-time scorer. He carried us in that first half when I was struggling.”

Rejuvenated, K-Mart went to work, racking up 21 points by the end of the first half.

Oh what a difference a text message makes.

“It was just coming in there, trying to set a tone,” Martin said. “It was going in there and playing like I have been in my career and jump-starting us to a victory.”

The Rockets came out firing in the third, but the Thunder used a 14-4 run at the top of the fourth quarter to snag a 92-81 lead. Derek Fisher, who continued to hear cacophonous boos from the home crowd every time he touched the ball, turned back the clock to his clutch Lakers days, hitting key 3-pointers on the way to 11 points, four rebounds and two steals off the pine.

“He has made our team better,” said Scott Brooks. “His spirit of doing it every day is something all teams should strive for. What I saw tonight was some of the most inspired play I’ve ever seen as a player and as a coach.”

Harden, who was playing despite suffering from strep throat, finished with 26 points and seven dimes, but couldn’t get his team back into it.

“We were just stagnant and from there on out we couldn’t get any movement and really couldn’t get any shots off,” Harden said.

Despite taking an L, the Rockets exceeded expectations this season, even pushing top-seeded Oklahoma City to the brink on its quest to become just the fourth team to ever come back from a 0-3 deficit to win a playoff series.

After getting traded to Houston at the start of the season and taking on a bigger role as the franchise player, Harden stepped up and showed that he was the superstar that Daryl Morey coveted.

“I’m proud of him,” Durant said of Harden. “They’re building something special here in Houston.”

“We have a lot of young guys who work hard and want to win. The sky is the limit for us,” said Harden. “It was a good year for me. Not the way I wanted to finish. Now, I have some time to really work on my game. This series was definitely a good thing for us.”

Things got a little testy between these two squads, likely brought on by Russell Westbrook’s season-ending injury brought on by a collision with Beverly, but Durant still respects what the Rockets are building.

“It’s a fun brand of basketball. They really gave us a challenge,” said Durant. “I was starting to hate those guys. I was starting to hate everyone on those games on the series. I’m sure they felt the same way about us. You really appreciate the effort they bring. You respect them. That’s healthy for the game of basketball. They play the game right way. They remind me of us from a few years back. They are going to be a force to be reckoned with for years to come.”

Chandler Parsons was another bright spot for Houston. The sharp-shooting Florida alum put on a show with an array of dunks and net-poppin’ threes. It was enough to spark a new nickname: Chandler Bang.

“I think we have something really special here,” said Parsons. “We have something to look forward to. The world saw that we have a chance to be really good.”

Looking ahead, the Thunder will host Memphis for Game 1 of the Western Conference semis on Sunday afternoon.—Maurice Bobb

Clippers 105, Grizzlies 118 (Grizzlies Win Series 4-2)

That’s a wrap. Following four straight games of strong team play, the Memphis Grizzles advanced to round two after closing out the Clippers in Game 6, 118-105. In all four games, the Grizzles took advantage of the Clippers poor post defense while disrupting their transition offense and pick and roll play. “We took too long to come to the fight,” a clearly frustrated Chris Paul said post-game. “We waited until game six to start to play aggressive and match their intensity.”

With Blake Griffin hobbled by an ankle sprain that allowed him to only play 14 minutes, Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro had to shuffle the deck and tried to use a few variations of small lineups to catch Memphis off guard. It didn’t work. The Grizz did what they do best: five starters in double figures led by their supreme posts, Zach Randolph (19 points, 5 rebounds) and Marc Gasol (10 points, 7 rebounds). “All-NBA Marc Gasol and All-NBA Zach Randolph carried us, they are the real heroes,” Tony Allen said.

With Jamal Crawford struggling to the tune of an 0-5 night, L.A. again relied heavily on CP3 and the bench play of Matt Barnes who had a remarkable game with 30 points on 11-14 shooting. After being down by 15 at one point, L.A. put together a late run and had the game at 103-97 with about five minutes remaining and momentum shifting their way. But the Clips left Mike Conley and Jerryd Bayless open for three-point attempts during consecutive possessions and the Grizzles young guards knocked them down for the final daggers. “Our season is over, there’s nothing to take from it, it is what it is,” Paul explained. “I want to give a lot of credit to the Memphis Grizzles, they played hard and we got beat.”

Despite his limited minutes, Griffin got into it with Randolph again in the third quarter after both men got tangled up and went to the floor. It looked like Blake was giving Zach a bit of an elbow on the ground and Zach went after him a bit until the two were separated. “I don’t even know what happened,” said Randolph who was T’d up on the play. “He was going down, I was going down—I just tried to brace myself.”

Randolph earned another technical and was ejected by referee Joey Crawford with minutes remaining for saying something to the Clippers bench. Paul was also ejected after being whistled with his second tech with about 2 minutes left. It was a strange ending to a great performance by Memphis. Conley finished with another impressive game, 23 points and 7 assists. Allen added 19, Tayshaun Prince (10 points), Bayless (18 points) and Quincy Poindexter (10 points).

Memphis will travel to Oklahoma City to face the Thunder on Sunday for Game 1 of Round 2.–Nima Zarrabi / @NZbeFree

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  • Max

    The Grizz will beat OKC.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Unfortunate how Joey Crawford decided it was time for him to get some shine and threw out CP3 and Z-Bo yet the one guy who looked like he wanted to get tossed, Matt Barnes, didn’t.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Easier than they beat LAC.

  • lights out

    cp3 earned that ejection. totally bush league.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Overreaction. Gasol did a great job of acting like he got stabbed.

  • spit hot fiyah

    agreed, that shot was uncalled for

  • spit hot fiyah

    can we talk about bledsoe’s jumpshot? i understand if guys like marc gasol and andre miller shoot flatfooted jumpers, but bledoe probably has a 40 inch vert, if he could use it after taking a few dribbles and pulling up he could be deadly. instead he seems happy with shooting free throws from the 3 point line

  • spit hot fiyah

    why was crawfors benched for the whole second half? i know he played pretty bad the whole series, but he is the only guy outside of paul on that team can really get cooking super quick. instead billups and green got minutes

  • Max

    Bledsoe makes Rondo look like KD.

  • Josias Johnson

    He had to have been hurt in some way.

  • Max

    CP and Dwight both getting ejected in possibly their last game as a part of an LA team.
    Good stuff.

  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    Game ball goes to Derrick Fisher. Great defense on Harden and he hit some big time three. Kevin Martin way to bounce back.

  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    Was that a dirty play by CP3 or great acting from Gasol? I know he abdomen injury but it just looked like a frustrated “attempt” to box out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    In the name of trolling…… Pacers in 5

  • Max

    Melo had 5 assists!!!!!

  • Max

    I don’t know if it was ejection worthy, but you can’t just run to a guy and hit him in the stomach.

  • Max

    And could someone explain why Melo is ‘the best scorer in the L’?

  • jakedouglasroberts

    i guess slam doesn’t wanna discuss a group of real men beating the brakes off the clippers.

  • Drig

    Mad props to the way Celts went down all guns blazing. That is all that needs to be said.

    OKC vs Memphis – MEM in 6. PLEASE.

    SAS vs GS – SAS in 6. Oracle Arena is gonna witness a PO loss.

  • http://twitter.com/thursti_tyht Thurstian Tsui

    Why does everyone throw everything at Thomas Robinson, I haven’t seen many of his pro games and I’m sure the potential is there but a package for J-Smoove centered around Robinson doesn’t sound like it would get a lot for the Hawks.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I hated OKC this entire series but after Houston, they’re my favorite team in the West… This is awkward.

  • danpowers

    said the man who said it would be better for the knicks if they traded shumpert for dudley. in the name of trolling: you sir, are absolutely unable to judge anything knick related lol

  • danpowers

    well actually you can…

  • danpowers

    knickstape son!

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Not gonna lie I didn’t think much of it until I saw the replay. Knowing the history of CP3 I’d say it was dirty. He can be a dirty little bastard out there when things don’t go his way or someone is getting the best of them.

  • spit hot fiyah

    because he averaged the most points would be an argument

  • initbruv

    Lol I felt the same way about Houston until this series.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That trade still would have made them better THIS season. And my comment wasn’t serious, but way to live up to expectations.

  • RKJ92

    What did I say about Grizz beating the Clippers?.. and people saying I was stupid for that, i’m sorry but no way Clippers big men can hold Marc, and Z-Bo down in the paint.. what a stupid theory, their only hope was Chris Paul and I had faith in Mike Conely as a good defensive point guard.

  • RKJ92

    Derek*

  • danpowers

    “in the name of trolling” and an “lol” in mine seem like a dead serious comment to you?

    but on dudley: hell no man! dont come with numbers now: different roles on totally different teams. watching shumpert later in the season and during the first round makes clear that he wouldve put up larger numbers than dudley or at least something equal if he was in phoenix and there is no guarantee at all that dudley wouldve been that huge for the knicks as shumpert was lately.

  • spit hot fiyah

    the problem with j smith in houston is the same as robinson’s, they can’t shoot from the outside. houston’s offense is based on having one inside player and 4 guys on the perimiter, that means the player playing the 4 has to be able to shoot. patrick patterson was actually decent at that, and they traded him for someone they really liked before the draft but that doesn’t fit in at all with what they wan to do on offense, therefor he is stuck on the bench

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t want to talk you about the Knicks. You don’t have the ability to think or comment with anything close to a logical train of thought. .
    Telling me to find the “non serious” nature of your comment when you just got defensive over sarcasm. .
    And then you tell me not to give you numbers and in the same breath tell me you are sure Shumpert would have had better numbers. .
    Get real with yourself.

  • danpowers

    a bit trolling is all fun.

    you still telling me that dudley was better than shump? dont p*ss at my leg and tell me it rains.

    your only argument here is that you dont wanna talk to me just coz the knicks are the team i like the most? that aint any arguement at all.

    shump is better, more talented and even with just 90% rust quicker and mentally at least equally tough as dudley. shump is just another calliber of a player tho the experience of a vet is valuable too. its just that shump plays his role like a vet, he doesnt do anything he aint capable of doing, hits open shots at a high %, drives to the rim when he has a lane, isnt afraid of big shots and plays great d. what else wouldve dudley done? what could he do better? not really that much and you know it.
    you wanted the trolling, you got it lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yes, Dudley is better than Shumpert right now. We have already had this conversation. I don’t want to have it again. Go back and reread it if you have to. And you have a set in stone opinion of the Knicks, discussing them with you is irrational and boring. Just being honest. .
    The rest of what I said is a joke. No need to discuss it.

  • Max

    PREACH!

  • Josias Johnson

    Watching NY almost lose that game was laughable. 20-0 run. If NY had any heart, they would have put their foot on the Celtics neck and held it there. Paul George will give Melo problems especially with that arm that popped in and out last night. He’s not going into this series with any kind of rhythm. When in doubt, pass to Melo and stand. Pacers in 6.

  • Max

    YaNoWhatIMeen.

  • Max

    They were also saying this when KD won 3 times.
    And he is the most inefficient of the top scorers.

  • danpowers

    thats just common sense: when shump returned from his injury he was rusty and yes, by then dudley was better. it also looked probable that shump would need way longer to contribute positively. but then he made a huge jump and is a valuable contributor. now more than dudley could be,sir.

    i got that joke tho its all good. i never had any hard feelings on u or anything u said n dont put what i said as masking anything hostile with sarcasm. since shump emerged i kept that way too long coz i remember that dudley (not back then when u said it but now) nonsense. so yeah, thats true n i mean it but how i put it was more meant as a “;)” with all smiles and cheers. no intention to undergo your authority as the main analyst here, sir.

    its just that when you talk to me about the knicks youre more biased about my oppinion than i am biased about the knicks. have you ever read any crap like “the knicks are the main contender! melo is the best scorer / player in the nba! best scorer in the league! the knicks are the greatest franchise ever! etc” written by me? nope, sir.

  • danpowers

    laughable? we werent the knicks if this didnt happen lol.
    shump wont give george problems? chandler wont give hibbert problems? as a pacers fan id be more concerned about that and the team’s struggles to put the ball in the basket. gonna be a tough series tho that can go either way.

  • http://twitter.com/thursti_tyht Thurstian Tsui

    Did you just copy what spit hot said in the other thread word for word?

  • spit hot fiyah

    i’m not saying that melo is the best scorer, i was just trying to be the advocate of someone with that opinion, i’m well aware of his inefficiencies

  • danpowers

    you saw that he did so he obviously could lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s not biased of me to disagree with you. Confronting me every time I say something Knicks related doesn’t make what I say in return any more biased then when i talk to anybody about anything, it just happens more frequently because, as you can see above, you talk to me, I reply, then you call me overly biased for disagreeing. And repeat.

  • danpowers

    i just look at content not of quantity of something happening. you wanna tell public that A, less explosive / mobile, equally strong, equally offensively gifted (at best) and same value on d than B would help a team better than B. thats when i step in to say no sir, that aint true. shump couldve also been a pistons player and dudley a lakers player, i wouldve written the same.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    THAT’S YOUR OPINION.
    .
    Your overly Knicks sided opinion. And by saying, “no it isn’t” you are only saying words. Just because you say something, or think it, doesn’t make it a fact. .
    If you don’t want me to disagree with you all the time, don’t start arguments.

  • speedy

    Last year Clipps won.

    This year the team with the better coach won.

  • danpowers

    so you say dudley is faster than shump? you say shump doesnt play like a vet in big games? you say dudley is a better defender than shump? better rebounder? better ballhandler? better scorer? you wouldnt have anything to back that up. if “no its isnt” are just words than your statement is nothing better coz you didnt even bother to back up your opnion by breaking anything down. you just assume that it was like that by the time when shumpert jusst returned from his injury. now the whole situation is different and you know that better than i do and we both know you would even admit that if you werent p*ssed off by me right now lol

  • Caboose

    Seriously? The cognitive dissonance you got going on is incredible, I wish I lived in that world of yours.

  • Caboose

    Pacers over Knicks in 6
    Spurs over Warriors in 4
    Grizzlies over Thunder in 6
    Miami over Brooklyn or Chicago in 5

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    *Copy*
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    And
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    *Paste*
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    Yes, Dudley is better than Shumpert right now. We have already had this conversation. I don’t want to have it again. Go back and reread it if you have to. .
    You are exceedingly annoying. I don’t WANT to have this conversation with you. It’s not that I can’t. I don’t want to. Frankly when it’s Knicks related you just aren’t worth the waste of time. It’s not like you have ever relented on your opinion, no matter how outlandish the topic. .
    You think Shumpert is better right now? Fine. I disagree. And it’s not my duty to explain to you why. Get over it.

  • danpowers

    its tough right now but ill do the best i can to move on and get over it lol

  • RKJ92

    Umm..? Clippers winning last year is completely irrelevant to this year, like seriously why even bother bringing something up that has nothing to do with a WHOLE new year? and no the better coach didn’t win, the better team did. Vinny is a horrible coach yes, does that cost them a whole series no. Credits go out to Z-Bo, Marc Gasol, and Mike Conley for impressive first round performances.

  • danpowers

    dont make it an issue now.if somebody says dudley was better than shump i wont leave it that way coz it aint even about opinions but just a fact that shump is a better player right now. same as lebron is better than durant.

  • Caboose

    Ok, I’ll make it simple:

    1. Jared Dudley had a PER of 14.9 this past season. That is higher than Shumpert has had in his 2 seasons.

    2. Despite playing on a team that had much less wins, Dudley had more Win Shares this season than Shumpert has in his two seasons combined.

    3. Dudley’s True Shooting % this season was .582, far higher than Shumpert’s .484 and .516 he has had in his career thus far.

    4. I will concede that Dudley is not as good a defender as Shumpert. But the gap in their defensive ratings (5 points) is not huge and is smaller than the gap in their offensive ratings (6 points).

    5. This past season, Dudley averaged more points, rebounds, assists, and blocks.

    6. Shumpert shot under 40% on the season this year. Dudley is at 47%, which is larger than the difference between Kobe and Durant in terms of FG%.

  • Josias Johnson

    You better hope Melo’s arm isn’t too sore and he performs better. Who’s going to deal with David West in the post? Melo will be in foul trouble if he tries. That small lineup won’t cut it. Pacers are a throwback team with their starting lineup. They play better defense, share the ball a lot more.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol

  • Caboose

    Think that’ll do anything?

  • Caboose

    You (and those like you) are the reason I want the Knicks to get swept.

  • danpowers

    1. different roles on different teams. dudley plays on a team without players dominating the ball as much as melo and jr smith do. plus as nbk taught me per is not that much of an important number coz it doesnt really value plus minus ratings and overvalues defensive rebounds.

    plus: substitute shumperts “rust games” after coming back of his numbers and you’ll see a different per. especially if you look at his playoff numbers, now that it counts.

    2. see 1. and explain to me mathematically what win shares mean. as nbk taught me: its just a statistical guess.

    3. see 1. substitute the “rust games” plus we are talking about the here and now, not who wouldve helped more last season.

    4. yes shumpert is a better defender. dudleys defensive rating is a bit worse than he actually is. the difference between both on d isnt THAT large, because shumpert simply plays on a better defensive teams why he gets scored on a bit less. he still has the edge. plus: his role on the knicks is way different than dudleys role on the suns. but if you want prove of what shumpert is made of, please: watch the recent series against boston. or his play in the last third of the season.

    5. do i really have to explain to you why that doesnt mean anything? i doubt that as you have an advanced and way better knowledge of the game judging by most of your posts i read. thats more about stepping in for your gf or rather bashing on knicks fans. i understand both tho as i know that we are the most annoying in the league. mea culpa

    6. because shumpert returned b4 he was actually ready to play. see 1.: substitute the “rust games” (his first 20). since then hes way more efficient. maybe not more efficient than dudleys shooting but the gap is way lower than you just pointed out. the 6 playoff games he just played is a small sample size but line out who he really is this year. im on the road n cant find a side to show u shumps stats

    his offense is good enough to help the team as he makes up for what dudley would help “more” on offense, with his defense which is more important for the knicks than having another perimeter scorer. thats why he is better for the knicks than dudley. plus, you dont know if dudley would shoot the same % on the knicks coz hed be in a different system, getting different shots. and you wanna tell me dudley would put up the same metric and overall stats he does in phoenix? he’d be glad if hed get 8ppg in that system and roster. that doesnt make him a bad player, just sayin that he aint a bigger / better calliber than shumpert. at least not anymore.

  • Caboose

    Same way people always thought Kobe was the best scorer: they get all their points off of play-stopping isolations, which makes their points look like they’re more impressive.

  • Caboose

    Good god, was your post written by a 4th grader? I will actually read what you write when it looks like its author has at least the intellectual sophistication of a kiwi.

  • danpowers

    you two are so…

  • danpowers

    …sweet

  • Sergio

    Man, don’t you think tha Warriors will win at leat one game in the Oracle Arena? I think the Spurs don’t win in less than 6.

    About Pacers and Knicks, I don’t know…. I don’t trust this Pacers team. They are to inconstant, and most of their players too – George, Hibbert, Hill. The only guarantee, night in and night out, is West.

  • danpowers

    english aint my mother tongu. if you really wanna prove brains get to the content and dont f*ck around its surface. or r u refering to my us of language as “wanna” instead of “want to”? if this is ur wish i can treat u like a lady tho n will watch my language from now on. just for you.

  • danpowers

    could be. on the other hand: whats david west going to do against melo on the perimeter?

  • danpowers

    judging people by what they write in the rumor section of a sports magazine for fun and waste of free time really implys maturity and intelligence. you just got down to that level of nonsense. the difference is, you actually seem to think that you are better, which is pretty pathetic.
    same goes with generalization such as “and those like you”. whats next? “yeee haaa bobby ray, lets hunt some knicks fans!” slow clap for you, sir ;)

  • danpowers

    indeed

  • Caboose

    Berates me because he was being sarcastic. Doesn’t realize I was too. Isn’t that what you call irony?

  • Caboose

    If you don’t like the Spurs chances on the road, do you really think they get it in Game 6? It’ll either be in 4, 5, or 7.

    Yeah, the Pacers’ OFFENSE is inconsistent. What really isn’t is their defense, especially George. Who can match up right with the Knicks’ best player. If this series turns into a defensive battle (which I’m almost certain it will), the Pacers will take it, for sure.

  • Caboose

    Not worth it, mate.

  • A.

    Gasol is also playing with a torn abdomen. And it was clearly premeditated because CP started running towards Gasol before the shot even left Prince’s hands, and Gasol was already walking away and not going for the rebound. So bush league is right.

  • Josias Johnson

    Hibbert stays as close to the rim as possible since he doesn’t have to worry about Chandler besides the alley oops from Felton. He has to be there to keep him off the offensive boards anyway. All David has to do is put a hand up on jumpshots and if he gets to the rim, Hibbert is there to contest. Hansborough can also put some hard fouls on him when he’s in. George will spend time on him too.

  • The Fury

    Mike Conley is walking in the Gary Payton road (improving his game every single year)…man I hope that happens.

  • Josias Johnson

    He recovered from it pretty quickly. Technical foul call was unnecessary. Flagrant foul would have been better.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Dudley plays on a worse team. Is a bigger focus. And is still more productive and efficient. It’s simple, their roles should dictate that Shumpert is at least more efficient if he really is a better player……there is no logical way to use the role they play to argue why Dudley is better. Dudley’s role is more difficult.

  • danpowers

    how could i know? dont know you well enough to assume intelligence. so there is nothing left to say for me than: indeed

  • danpowers

    by all the blowouts the suns took this season there was a lot of garbage time for dudley. dont tell me that defenses “focus” on him then. plus, shumperts per and true shooting % / effectife shooting werent that bad after his first 20 games that he needed to get back into rythm.

    and you put up “has more points, rebounds, assists”. well… melo scores more ppg than durant. does that make him a better scorer than durant? hello no!

  • danpowers

    we will see. maybe you are right, hopefully not.

  • danpowers

    excellent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No there wasn’t a bunch of garbage time for Dudley. Probably refrain from trying to educate me on what happened during Suns games. You are ignorant. I disagree with you, you disagree with me. It’s over, I don’t want to read you guess. It’s embarrassing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Logical.

  • danpowers

    normally. not in this case tho. at least not by the same logic that has 1+1=2

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Every measurable way to look at basketball says Dudley is better. Find something outside of your opinion, that supports your opinion. You don’t want to talk about stats, you want to talk about what would be measured in a predraft camp. Who’s faster and those scouting categories doesn’t matter anymore, we have proof of how good they are. Right now Dudley is better. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. I’m not arguing with you, that’s your opinion. And that’s all it is, your opinion. It means nothing in the end. Mine doesn’t either. .
    You wanna talk about logic? Show some evidence to back it up, otherwise it’s just your opinion. Again, an opinion that has proven to be Knicks slated over and over and over again.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No

  • danpowers

    suns +- is third last in the nba by -6,5 i assume that he played at least more of those “not hard fought mins” than shumpert. if he didnt that would be statistically quite unlikely but then may be it. to my defense: the couple of suns games i watched werent that close tho nor were those games that hard fought (except that knicks suns game lol)

    whatever. you guys (caboose more than you) were pointing out shumperts stats including the games right after his injury. compare the seasons last 20 games to get a better understanding of the kid, when he got back into game shape. eFG%: 54,9%, TS% 57,8%, (45-fg%, 41-3fg%, 94,4-ft%) plus that superior defense n did you guys see how clutch that guy is in that recent playoff series on both ends of the court? aint sayin that dudley is a bad player. hes just equal AT BEST. yeah yeah i know i know. copy and paste blah blah repeating yourself this, you only think so coz youre a knick that, your numbers lie, when i see i was wrong i stop arguing,yadda yadda, totally embarassing, yup.

    im just pathetic. thats my job in here as a knicks fan.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    - 20 game stretch can also make Jeremy Lin look like a top 50 player ever. You really want to try and make a 20 game stretch proves how good player X is argument? Like that can’t be shot down like a bunch of Nintendo ducks.
    Dudley played 27 minutes a game for a reason dude. The suns didn’t play their veteran players garbage minutes. Stop trying to guess, it sucks the credibility out of everything else you say. Honestly, at least learn that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, think of your argument as the chain. Keep your sooper strong Knicks opinion, being a fan is all about that. Just argue better.

  • danpowers

    if it was possible to tell how good a player is by just his stats, there wouldnt be a single scout out there. neither prospect nor nba scouts. stats help n r great measurements but then shape your sample in a way that it makes sense. exclude shumperts games he played after coming back to get back into his rythm from your sample and you get a different result.

    depending on what you value more: shumperts shooting is slightly worse than dudleys while shumperts defense is slightly better than dudleys. besides that shumpert is more athletic as he got back close to what he was b4 the injury while also being the better ball handler than dudley. the initial point was dudley would help the knicks more than shumpert. that knicks team is old. they need speed and athleticism. the best defense they can get and guys to hit open shots. its a small sample size but it actually underlines what i mean: shumps playoff stats.(didnt find his per in the last 20 reg. season games but his shooting stats which i posted above) a 17per, ts% of 59%, efg% of 57%. one of the few who didnt melt when the pressure was at its peak and who didnt commit a mistake then, which is a quality you cant value enough, not even as a basketball bureaucrat. this is even more impressive when u consider that he is just playing in his second year.

    knicks slated? you just accuse me of that but cant prove it neither. thats your oppinion, not really a fact. id argue the same way if we talked about players on other teams. shumpert just happens to be on the knicks. ill just talk more about the knicks than about other teams coz the knicks are my main interest in the nba. that doesnt mean i wouldnt follow the rest of the league at all or see them better than they are. i wont repeat myself again here at least about that.

    what so slated did i say? jr being the best 6th man? knicks probably being the biggest threat to the heat in the east tho the heat r highly favored to win that series if they meet? melo not getting the same superstar calls at the begin of the year like durant or james n otherwise could hit 50%fg%? i changed that last one and were convinced by what you guys argued. how the f*ck is that slated?

  • danpowers

    you cant compare lin mania to shumperts situation. he is playing within a team concept and isnt put into that one hit wonder situation. we all saw what he is capable of last year. he plays his role like a vet since he is healthy and we just dont have a larger sample of him as this is the only amount of games he played healthy so thats the only sample we have about the numbers he puts up when he is healthy while playing the role woodson assigned him to.

    what use does it have to include the numbers he put up while he was playing out of rythm and out of game shape? if you just look at results e.g. the 39fg% without explaining the why, how and when that 39fg% mean literally nothing. that stretch is the sretch in which the knicks sealed the 2nd seed in the east. what else couldve dudley done for them? the second seed was the maximum they were able to achieve this season and they accomplished that.

    thats an honest question and not a rethorical one: do you think dudley could and would have played better than shumpert in that series against boston?

  • danpowers

    whoever doesnt see durant as the best scorer in the league just doesnt understand the game.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t know if Dudley would have been better than Shumpert was against Boston. And you can make a team better without it being a huge difference. And I don’t want to talk to you about this. Seriously.

  • Max

    Last year the Clippers won because of Reggie Evans and Nick Young, and Memphis wasn’t as good as they are right now (they didn’t have any bench production, Marc and Zbo got better from last year, Conley improved, Tay improved the D).
    Memphis just outplayed them 4 games in a row.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Uhhh like I said f*cking repeatedly, I don’t care if in your opinion Shumpert is better. I just told you the stats because you KEEP ASKING WHY i think Dudley is better. shut the f*ck up dude. This circular bullsh*t is annoying. Your opinion is proven to be Knicks slated because all your comments are about the Knicks. Look at this page right now. Then click on another page that isn’t about the Knicks. Proof. And no, you wouldn’t be saying this about another player. You have never done it in the past. And you frankly have never shown that you have the ability to do so.
    .
    i am done entertaining you and your ridiculous curricular bullsh*t. It’s not about every little topic, it’s about your inability to argue or show the ability to even look at a situation from another perspective.
    .
    Bye

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Still going.

  • danpowers

    ppl losing their temper normally is a sign that they get exposed as wrong. you know hes better lol

    anyway, get that sand outta your vagina and chill brah, no need to p*ss me off like that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t care about pissing you off. Count how many times I told you to stop. Shouldn’t be surprising that I reacted that way.

  • Guest

    okidoki ill treat you more sensitive in the future

  • danpowers

    you coulve said please lol

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