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Wednesday, June 12th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  304 responses

LeBron James Blames Himself for Game 3 Loss


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

The San Antonio Spurs avenged their Game 2 loss by giving the Miami Heat a taste of their own medicine in Game 3 — and then some.

The Spurs stomped Miami to the tune of 113-77, one of the biggest routs in NBA Finals history.

LeBron James, who has been passive all series long, took full responsibility for the Heat’s loss (after scoring just 15 points on 7-of-21 shooting), and told the media that he has to play better if the defending champions are going to have any hope of winning.

Per NBA.com:

“I’ve got to just play better,” James said. “I can’t have a performance like that and expect to win. I’ve got to shoot the ball better. I’ve got to make better decisions, and I will get into the film and see ways that I can do that. I’m not putting blame on anybody. I’m owning everything that I did tonight.” [...] He wound up 7-for-21, had one offensive rebound, blocked no shots, logged five assists and is averaging 16.3 points so far in The Finals. Oh, and he didn’t shoot even one free throw. The four-time MVP did something that hadn’t happened to him in the playoffs since 2007 and in a game — period — since 2009. “I went a whole game without shooting a free throw, to show you where my game was tonight,” he said.

“I’ve got to be better. It’s that simple,” he said postgame for the third or fourth time in a span of six minutes. “If I’m better, we’re better. And I’ve got to be better. I’m putting everything on my chest, on my shoulders. I’ve got to be better. It’s that simple. My teammates are doing a good job, and I’m not doing my part.”

Except for a spurt late in the third quarter, when he poured in 9 consecutive points during a brief Heat run, LeBron James was content to feed his teammates who did little else but miss shots. The reigning MVP is averaging just 16.7 points through three games against this Spurs defense, and knows the strategy has to change going forward.

While Gregg Popovich, of course, wouldn’t divulge any secrets about his team’s plan against James, Danny Green said that LeBron at times is just stopping himself:

“LeBron is not just us stopping-him,” the Spurs guard said. “He’s kind of stopped himself out there and we’re getting a little lucky. Obviously we’re making it tough for him. But you guys have seen him all year at his best, and how he can perform. He’s not doing that right now. I don’t know what it is. I’m hoping that it doesn’t come out.”

LeBron James promises to be more aggressive in Game 4 and beyond. He can only hope that his teammates follow suit.

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  • Shumpert

    church

  • speedy

    I am waiting for the next Game !
    He will play great.

  • Jermaine Propaine

    Bron always responds after he blame’s himself. Problem is, if they lose this next game while he’s being “more aggressive” then what will the response be?

  • danpowers

    didnt expect him to pull his magic “watch me disappear” trick, but wow, what a show. i hope to see him spending more time in the post next game. otherwise these finals end in game 5

  • danpowers

    probably something like “we f*cked up”

  • danpowers

    hopefully. otherwise this series is going to end boring

  • Dfrance

    Lebron just can’t have games like this if he’s supposed to be the best player in the world. It’s not even about missing shots, everyone has bad shooting games, its the lack of aggression. For LeBron, who gets the benefit of the whistle 9 times out of 10 going to the hole, to not shoot 1 free throw, is completely unacceptable.

  • TR

    I dont think hes been passive. Seems like the Spurs just played good D. For the most part, not including last night, I think hes been making the right plays.Yesterday was just a bad game.

  • Guest

    I GOT A QUESTION FOR YA’LL: The 80′s & 90′s Had WAY BETTER DEFENSIVE TEAMS & WAY BETTER OFFENSIVE & DEFENSIVE PLAYERS Than NOW… This We All Know, So With That Being Said… If (LEBRON) Played Back Then, How Far Do Ya’ll Think He Would’ve Stood ABOVE THE REST Like He Does Now If He Had To MATCH-UP Against The 80′s SMALL FORWARDS In THEIR PRIME On A NIGHT TO NIGHT BASIS (LARRY BIRD, DR. J, DOMINIQUE WILKINS, JAMES WORTHY, GEORGE GERVIN, ADRIAN DANTLEY, ALEX ENGLISH, BERNARD KING & MARK AGUIRRE…ETC) & The 90′s SMALL FORWARDS In THEIR PRIME On A NIGHT TO NIGHT BASIS (SCOTTIE PIPPEN, GRANT HILL, REGGIE LEWIS, CHRIS MULLIN, JAMAL MASHBURN, LARRY JOHNSON, GLEN RICE, GLEN “BIG DOG” ROBINSON, SEAN ELLIOTT, RICKY PIERCE, CLIFF ROBINSON & DETLEF SCHREMPF…ETC) ???

  • shockexchange

    The Spurs are employing the Shock Exchange’s “LeBron Rules” to the letter. Secondly, the Heat is undersized. The Shock Exchange thought even after the Big 3 came on board, the Heat needed a quality big man to win a chip. A lot of the Spurs’ open looks came on two, three, sometimes four attempts at the basket. The Kang can’t overcome the size disparity by himself. The Heat’s lack of an inside presence may finally catch up to them.

  • OfftheWall87

    Simple. He still struggles when he can’t get to the basket. Coach Pop isn’t a fool. Pack the lane and dare him to hit shots. He’s a streaky jumpshooter. He thinks too much when he can’t attack the basket.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    I feel like this man can’t win. Game one he drops 18 18 and 10 and they say he wasnt aggressive. If he scores 40 people will say he didnt get his teammates involed enough. I guess that’s the burden he has to bear being the best player on the planet. I fully expect Lebron to bounce back with a huge game but with another L.

  • pposse

    “he’d be average” – Dennis Rodman

  • danpowers

    he would be the same that he was today. i think the handchecking rules and rugged play wouldnt have limited him as much as he would have benefited from the illegal defense rules and the lesser athleticism of the opponents back then. given the spirit of the time he would have also acted less like a crybaby on court and we wouldve seen him man up more.
    so i think he would be pretty much the same with slightly better individual numbers as one on one ball was even more emphazised throughout at least the 90s.

    he wouldve just gotten a little less appreciation because everybody would have measured him on jordan and james wouldve clearly existed just in jordan’s shadow. he wouldve maybe ended up without a ring like so many other greats like malone, ewing, english, king, miller, stockton, wilkins or barkley who were doomed to play in ages that featured teams like the 80s celtics and lakers or 90s bulls. when you see how the spurs got him in check in this finals so far, imagine how he wouldve done against the late 80s pistons. plus, when the jordan reign stopped olajuwon decided to play 2 years as the best center the game has and will have ever seen (throughout their karreers maybe abdul-jabber, chamberlain, shaq or russell were more dominant. but nobody ever played as well as olajuwon during his title runs hands down).
    i also dont see him going anywhere against a matchup that featured david robinson and a young tim duncan. if the 99/00 lakers count into the 90s then thas wouldve probably been the only year for him in the 90s to grab a chip with his own team.

    in the 80s he might couldve grabbed a ring in 82-83 but thats it imo. at least when i look at these teams on papers. thats just a guess as i am not really an “expert” on that age. its just hard to imagine that anyone couldve beaten the lakers or celtics teams of this decade untill the pistons took over.
    but duue to the lack of athleticism back then i guess his individual stats wouldve been even better than today.

  • thebossman15

    its cuz hes not the best player in the world..stop listening to the dum media who get payed too endorse this guy and will get fired if they hate on him..mj knew he was the best and kobe knows hes the best..ask lebron if he thinks hes the best i guarantee u he differs too someone else

  • Stepfan Raiford

    I agree 100% When he’s attacking the basket that, gets his jump shot going. He’s an above average rhythm shooter, but he’s just average with the mid range, at the catch shoot position, or off the jab when his drive game isnt working.

  • OfftheWall87

    The only way we’d really be able to compare guys is if they actually played each other. There’s no way to compare LeBron to any other player from a different era besides how they played stylistically which is why the LeBron/Jordan conversation goes nowhere. Can’t compare guys from different eras. Guys like Oscar, Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain get lost in these conversations because there are a lot of people who didn’t see them play. What you’re saying about small forwards can be said about PGs. Look at today’s PGs. Where would Stockton, Isiah, Magic, prime Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Sam Cassell, prime Stephon Marbury, prime Iverson match up against Rose, Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Rondo, Steph Curry, etc. It’s all speculation. There’s no way of knowing if they didn’t play each other. What we can say is that he wouldn’t be average. Guys would be able to handcheck him, but he would be able to also. More contact on him would mean he could hit guys too.

  • OfftheWall87

    Then who is the best player? Don’t need to listen to the media when you’re actually watching him play. Kobe Bryant hasn’t been the best since 2009. What have you been watching for the past 4 seasons?

  • danpowers

    “dennis rodman had a good idea” said nobody ever

  • Evan Harris

    LeBron just does not have a killer instinct.

  • danpowers

    i think he has it. just not to the extent that mj had it and people still tend to compare him to mj to try to measure weather we see the goat now or if we saw the goat in the 90s

  • Narooman

    Does any one els think its time for DWade and Bosh to take the series over?

    Mostly Wade he just seems to lack intrest and i belive its due to Coach Spo and his game plans! i know you have to give it all you got at this stage but i think the way Wade is being used is just disrespectful to him , what hes done for the Heat and its fans , and to his skillsets!

  • pposse

    if you get all the glory when you win, you take all the blame when you lose. That’s what being a true leader is all about.

    spoelstra should get much of the blame for not having mario chalmers or d wade bring the ball up and feed lebron in the post. Lebron should blame himself for not demanding the rock in post position. Spoelstra shouldn’t be having Lebron start off every game playing the whole 1st qtr and then have him play the first 3-4 mins in the 2nd qtr. Dude was so tired by the 4th qtr in game 1, he didnt even play (in the beginning). They should have Wade getting subbed out at the 3-4 mins mark in the 1st and sub Bron out after the first quarter and put him back in around the 8 min mark in the 2nd. Lebron punishing this team in the post relies on him not getting fatigued. They have to switch up the sub pattern and gameplan imo.

    And finally Bosh needs to stop shooting cute jump shots and establish himself in the post too.

  • pposse

    if you remember in the beginning of the 4th qtr the Heat were still on a mini run and the ball was kicked out to Bron for a wide open three, he instead passed the ball to Wade who was also open for 3 but drove the ball instead and missed badly. IF your Bron why don’t you shoot the ball? you just scored 9 pts in a row, that was his shot to take. I think the next play down was Gary Neil hitting a three pter from Dallas and the game officially was over.

  • danpowers

    i also think its more on spo to create an offense that allows him to post up.

  • OfftheWall87

    Define killer instinct. Shooting 30 times? Not passing to open teammates so that you can shoot bad shots? I’d rather have the guy who makes the best play win or lose and live with the consequences over the guy who continues to take bad shots to try to show people he has a “killer instinct”. Notice people say Kobe has a killer instinct when his shots are falling but when he misses, he’s a ballhog. LeBron was branded with that killer instinct label after Game 6 in Boston but only because his shots were falling and he had a look on his face. If he didn’t have it going, people would have said he choked again. People are so hung up on Jordan that they expect ever star player after him to play just like him. Jordan didn’t care about the results so folks said he had a “killer instinct”. He just played his game. Same with Kobe. And same with LeBron. It’s just that his game is different than those two. It’s not just scoring. He’s going to pass to open teammates win or lose. So if the definition of “killer instinct” is doing what you do regardless of the outcome, then LeBron has it. All that “killer instinct” stuff people talk about is bogus. Just take a lot of shots, hope they go in and have a frown on your face and you’re a killer. Magic Johnson smiled all the time, made the best plays and won. Doesn’t matter.

  • pposse

    i was just playing. However, I’ve entertained the thought, The only thing i would questions is Lebron’s mental toughness. He clearly CAN work on this part of his game still, 10 yrs into the league. Should make you wonder if he could handle the mind games being played back then.

  • OfftheWall87

    Wade’s hurt. It’s not a lack of interest. He can’t explode. No lift on his jumpshot. No ability to finish in the lane besides floaters. And Bosh can’t take over a game with jumpshots which is what his role is in the offense.

  • danpowers

    its just not his dna. i was also suprised about that pass. same with that miami game when the heat beat the spurs, he passed on some open looks which drove me crazy, but thats just who he is. i guess he sees his own scoring as a necessary evil to be able to get his teammates open.

    he is more of a magic johnson than a michael jordan. when things are clicking he is dominating in that way, not in a way to put up 60 points.

  • Evan Harris

    If you honestly expect me to read all of that, then you have me mistaken.

  • OfftheWall87

    He is more Magic than Michael but people aren’t obsessed with Magic like they are with Michael. Their obsession with Michael makes them want to see LeBron play like him. His first instinct has always been to pass. Even when he scores a lot, he still racks up assists.

  • bike

    Strange series so far. Two back to back blowouts with both teams switching level of play 180 degrees. LeBron had a bad game for sure but even if he scored 30, the Heat would still not have won.

    The highlight of the game was Pop’s “I can’t tell you that” response to Doris Burke when she asked him how they were stopping LeBron.

  • thebossman15

    lol how u gonna tell me kobe hasnt been the best player since 09 when he won a championship in ’10..even from 2010 on there hasnt been anyone that even comes remotely close too kobe..durant is the only person skill wise that shows he can somewhat be comparable too kobe when he retires if he continues too get alot better every year

  • Dfrance

    Winning cures all. He drops that same TD in a win, and no one complains. He drops 40 and they win, no one complains. As long as he’s leading his team to victories, for the most part, people won’t complain about how its done.

  • danpowers

    exactly

  • danpowers

    let me translate: his point is something like passing to win is more of a killer instinct than taking bad shots.

  • danpowers

    its obvious that they just read the shock exchange’s rules to stop lebron james

  • Samuel

    Lebron’s performance was just frustrating to watch

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah because winning championships means you’re the best player. The best teams win championships. Look at LeBron’s squad in 2010 compared to those Lakers. You can’t be this stupid. You make some of the Lakers/Kobe fans on here look weak with how biased and insane you are. Going by your logic, LeBron just won one last season so if winning means you’re the best, that would still be LeBron. Because the Lakers haven’t won in 3 seasons and they’ve been eliminated in the 2nd round twice and 1st round once in those 3 seasons. So since they haven’t won in 3 seasons, was there just not a best player in the NBA or what? How does this work for you? Come join us in 2013.

  • Dfrance

    I didn’t say that he’s the best, but he is widely regarded as such. My point is, that if he’s going to live up to that standard, which I fully believe he tries to do, he can’t have games like he had yesterday.

    That same “dum media” you speak of tries to tear down LeBron as much as they build him up. So listening to them to form an opinion is not something I do.

  • danpowers

    i got the joke in the first place. the assist was just too good i had to execute lol.

    how did you estimate his “mental tougness” after last years finals or throughout his 27 win stretch or last years heat / pacers, heat / celtics series or all of this years game 7s?
    i think thats just a subjective impression. the spurs d is not letting him play to his strenghts so far and its just not in his dna to force shots. when his offense sets him up better e.g. to let him work in the post and the heat win he would automatically appear mentaly tough.

  • Dfrance

    I agree that the “killer instinct” thing is overblown, but LeBron needs to know when to try and take over a game. Catching the ball and simply swinging it to the next open teammate instead of looking to make an aggressive play doesn’t help his team win.

  • Dfrance

    Lmao

  • Stepfan Raiford

    But can we show some love to Kawhi Leonard’s outstanding defense on Lebron thus far?

  • Jay Cutler

    Why is he playing so many minutes then? He keeps getting burned by Danny Green (and FWIW I think that’s just him having multiple brain farts because DG is camped out there) and he’s bricking anything outside of 5 ft.

    Just look at how much space DG is giving him on D.

  • OfftheWall87

    Future of the Spurs. Love watching him play.

  • Dfrance

    He has been awesome on LeBron, I agree.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Shows no emotion like Tim Duncan.

  • Jay Cutler

    While Kawhi has been good, he’s not THAT good.

    Tip my hat off to him though. It’s no small feat.

  • pposse

    yeah but thats a standard good rhythm shot he passed up. Passing that ball should have all coaches in the league pissed off, its a bad thought process and reflects negatively on his bball iq. He just thinks too much.

  • OfftheWall87

    Wade with flashes of his full self is better than any other option they have. Even if he was healthy, Green would still give him space because like with LeBron, the only way to contain them is dare them to hit jumpshots.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Team defense on Lebron too. I agree. But he’s not intimidated by Lebron or when Bron goes into the post on him.

  • danpowers

    only if we also appreciate duncan and splitter in the same way for locking up the paint so that there is no free space behind kawhi. bron reads the defense very well and i think he just doesnt overpower or go by leonard because he sees that this would just have him stuck in a crowd of spurs jerseys, neither making it possible to have a good look at the basket nor allowing him to play a good pass.

  • vannshy

    can we say he’s doing a (slightly) better job than Paul George so far ?

  • danpowers

    agreed

  • OfftheWall87

    Doesn’t reflect negatively on his IQ. How is passing up a good shot for another good shot a bad play? It happens often. Wade is struggling and can’t impact the game in the same ways LeBron can so dude passed to him hoping to get him a good shot. If Wade had taken and made the shot, everything would be fine. Any time you pass the ball to a guy who can take a good shot, it’s a good play. Whether that player takes the shot or not should not reflect on the player who made the pass to him and his basketball IQ.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Excellent point. Their weak side help has been great in the post. Not committing to early or too late.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    I think it’s safe to say that. By a hair.

  • Dagger

    Why post here at all if you can’t read a substantive response?

  • TR

    I agree. I dont think hes been in position to succeed very much. When he gets in the post hes gotta go quicker I think, which is difficult because he also has to scan the floor because the Spurs are coming with that double team. However; if he sees its just him and Kawhi he’s got to go quick and finish or jump stop in the paint and kick it to someone.

  • pposse

    i won’t deny its highly subjective. The most impressive thing out of all those things you mentioned to me was Game 6 vs Celtics.

    I will say this, i think the greatest gift Lebron received from joining the Heat was playing alongside Wade. Without Wade who is to say where he would be mentally.

    This year in the playoffs Wade has been playing sub par due to his injuries, maybe this has an effect on Lebron and his approach to the game. Why doesn’t Lebron demand the ball n the post more? thats what i want to know.

  • OfftheWall87

    Aggressive play as in try to score? I can’t say that passing to an open teammate is a play he shouldn’t make. He simply has to find a balance which is what he does when he’s at his best. A lot of this hinges on what his teammates do when he gives them the ball. If they score, people see the play differently than if they miss a shot or turn the ball over. But the Spurs not allowing him to drive to the basket and forcing him to take jumpshots takes him out of his rhythm. Taking over a game for him isn’t just scoring. It’s scoring, passing, rebounding and defending. But it starts with him getting to the basket. That opens up everything else for him. The Spurs have taken that away. So either his shot has to start falling or the Heat are going to lose this series.

  • danpowers

    ask spo. its on him to set up an offense that allows james to do just that

  • danpowers

    he should just watch tape of last years finals and see what he did there, coz then he did exactly what you just wrote what he should have to do

  • Milwaukee King

    REAL TALK: That’s a great question & honestly I think (LEBRON) would still shine & stand out, but I don’t think he would stand WAY WAY OUT ABOVE THE REST like he does now cause the talent in the small forward position is lacking in the league today & there were alot better SMALL FORWARDS (offensively & defensively) back then in the 80′s & especially the 90′s, so I think from a Individual match up stand-point… He would’ve had a hard time & worked a whole lot harder guarding all these guys IN THEIR PRIME on a NIGHT TO NIGHT BASIS, especially BIRD, DR.J, DOMINIQUE, JAMES WORTHY, BERNARD KING, PIPPEN, GRANT HILL, MASHBURN, LARRY JOHNSON, GLEN RICE, BIG DOG & REGGIE LEWIS cause IN THEIR PRIME… THEY WERE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH!!!!

  • danpowers

    i think paul george is a slightly better defender but san antonios team defense is slightly better than the pacers team defense. the second of both has a bigger impact on taking away from players who depend on their drive (like james) so that lets it appear as if leonard would shut him down by himself.

  • Dfrance

    He’s doing way better than PG was doing in the post. When LBJ decided to post up, George had no answer.

  • Dfrance

    Aggressive play doesn’t mean try to score. It could be driving in the lane to collapse the defense and dumping off to a big, it could be drawing a foul, making a skip pass. It’s not just about scoring, but making a winning play. Playing hot potato is not making a winning play.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Because mvp means nothing and championship is caused by one man

  • patrick

    i think it was other players like chalmers and cole who cost the game with their not hitting the most open man.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Somebody gotta let him watch 2011 finals in Hd alone in a full audio room. Then let him read all the words from his haters. That way, he might be motivated a bit to finish at the rim .

  • Bandwagonfan

    Agreed. Especially the last sentence.

  • whooo!

    so here’s what the Spurs’ defense did the past 2 series:

    GS: outside of the monster game by Steph and Klay, they held Curry to 18ppg on 37% shooting, and Klay to 12ppg on 38% shooting.

    MEM: Limited Z-Bo to 11ppg on 30% shooting and Conley to 15ppg on 38%.

    at a certain point, it’s no longer pure coincidence that amazing scorers on the opposing teams just start shooting terribly — defense has something to do with it. they’ve taken away the paint from Lebron & Wade, but the cushion for their mid-range jumpers is the type of space Curry & Thompson would’ve dreamed for.

    This series is starting to feel like the defenses will take away everything they can from the Big 3′s, and will live with what the role players do. It’s a battle of role players making open shots at this point, cuz it’s hard to imagine either team’s stars dropping 30+ unless the other defense wants to focus on shutting down the supporting cast and letting one guy go wild.

  • whooo!

    It’s definitely been about team defense. But Kawhi’s single coverage has allowed the Spurs to help less, even in the post, until the last line of defense. Dude seriously has all the tools to be an all-defense team force for years to come.

    As a team though, I think it’s safe to say the SA defense is just as good as the Memphis and Indiana defenses. The difference is their firepower on offense is on a different level.

  • Bandwagonfan

    In one piece manga, we called it haki

  • Shumpert

    If Spurs win this series Leonard should be seriously considered for the Finals MVP imo

  • thebossman15

    i brought up the championship but didnt feel the need too stress the fact that he had also won the year before that..clearly my point wasnt that championships mean u are the best player but when u just won ur 2nd chip in as many years..im pretty sure that means something smartass, or the fact that he carried the lakers(most memorably against the suns) during the ’10 playoffs playin dominant as hell whereas lebron needed dwade/bosh just as much as they needed him..and in terms of looking at lebrons squad in 2010, funny that u bring that up because for a player that supposedly “makes his teammates better” wade and bosh have gotten just as much hate as lebrons teammates on that ’10 squad so that point is useless..kobe won his chips with gasol/artest/odom..bynum was always hurt but is now arguably the best center in the league im not denying that..next to nowitzki kobe needed the least amount of talent alongside him too win a chip in the past decade which shows his greatness and since u clearly took what i said out of context, regardless of the lakers not winnin the past 3 seasons kobe is still the best player..its harder too win a championship when u dont have much continuity with the type of standards lakers management have..no ring=new squad

  • danpowers

    yup. wait for it: big line-ups are coming back to replace small ball and we will have more defensive battles (just dreaming)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    false. defense and offense, has never been what it is today. the strategy of the game is light years ahead of the 90s.
    .
    the only thing keeping people from realizing that is a big giant helping of ignorance.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the level of stupidity around here is astronomical. holy sh*t do you people over react. you are watching the finals, THE FINALS, and calling guys overrated…..you are stupid.

  • DOOM

    I’m seeing an awful lot of weak excuses coming from fan boys up in here… 16 pts over 3 games…IN THE FINALS? Same ones you were employing from the 10′ Cavs Celtics series and the 11′ finals.. Your Boy’s not making excuses, so why are you?.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you typed this, using your brain?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    even if what he was saying were true, that would still make LeBron the best player in the world….this guy is a certified moron.

  • danpowers

    i thought you would wait with that until someone came up with a “that series is rigged” theory

  • DOOM

    The stupidity is going both ways….For as much Over reacting there is a hell ova lot of wack excuse making going on from fan boys.

  • OfftheWall87

    It doesn’t mean you are still the best player. It only means you’re fortunate enough to be on the best team. He was still great, but by the time the Lakers won those 2 championships, LeBron had surpassed him as a defender, rebounder and he came into the league as a better passer. He got to the Finals with Larry Hughes and Eric Snow. He got past the Pistons who were still formidable with Boobie Gibson, who was a rookie, as his next best performer. That pretty much shuts down your argument about him maybe not making his teammates better as much as people say he does. So go somewhere else with him needing Wade and Bosh just as much as they needed him. All he needed was help winning a championship which they gave him, not help getting to the Finals. Wade couldn’t get past the 1st round before LeBron arrived. Same with Bosh.

    Kobe missed the playoffs and got eliminated in the 1st round twice after Shaq got traded. Separate Gasol from Odom and Artest because he was the most skilled big man in the league at that time and an All-Star caliber player. Only one player from LeBron’s Cavs teams (Mo Williams) made the All-Star team and that was an injury replacement I believe. LeBron got to the Finals with a sorry surrounding cast and never got eliminated in the 1st round. So no need for the LeBron/Kobe discussion. If you’re smart, you’ll see you have nothing to stand on with it.

    Wade hasn’t gotten any hate. He’s hurt worse than he was last season. Bosh is getting criticized for being nothing but a jumpshooter.

    All in all, Kobe is a pure scorer now as has been for the past few seasons. Nothing more. So the fact that you still think he’s the best player is ridiculous at best.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i agree with the aggression issue. it’s a huge glaring problem.
    .
    BUT
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    lol you know he’s definitely the best player in the world. he get’s superstar calls definitely, but he isn’t treated with the same “you can’t touch that guy” refereeing that Michael Jordan experienced. Or even he experienced in Cleveland.

    .

  • DOOM

    To Be considered the best player in the game and avg 16 points in 3 games of the finals IS a big deal dont fool yourself homie.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m not seeing many excuses. mainly just people acting like the basketball we’ve been watching for the last 6 months never happened.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah. i’ve already seen much to much dumb sh*t being said today.

  • Irishway’s

    The Spurs crowed was bannanas last night!! I expecially enjoyed the heat chant towards the end of the game.

  • OfftheWall87

    Last night was a bad night for him. But he drove and kicked in Game 2 so he hasn’t been MIA yet in this series. He still ended up taking 21 shots last night which is a lot for him. Against Dallas in 2011, he just stopped shooting and stood in the corner.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah, Gregg Popovich created the defense in this years finals. Scott Brooks masterminded that trainwreck last year. HUGE difference.

  • OfftheWall87

    The Heat could get eliminated in San Antonio without the series going back to Miami and he’d still be the best player in the league going into next season and the gap between he and Durant would still be wide. So let’s not act like he’s hanging on a thread here as the top guy because of bad scoring nights this series. The game is about more than scoring.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, who expects someone to read words in a comment section….

  • pposse

    because its not just passing up a good shot for another good shot. Its passing up a good shot from a guy who is heating up to a guy who has unraveled from the quarter before. Even Van Gundy was saying that Bron had to shoot that; the fact is Wade didn’t shoot the three, he instead bricked a jump shot so badly and the spurs made them pay.

    On the other end Gary Neil takes a contested three pter from space and drills it.

  • thebossman15

    defensively lebron is arguably the most hyped up of all superstars..his on ball d is glaringly atrocious..his help defense is really good which apparently makes him a better defender than kobe who will literally lock players down..i cant remember watching a game where myself or anyone i was with was like “man lebron is locking that dude down”..if u can create ur own offense like say kobe,paul george,melo,rudy gay too name a few..ur gonna be able too score on lebron one on one..lebron just plays on a very good defensive team..in terms of rebounding lebron is a small forward so obviously hes gonna have the edge..in terms of passing lebron averages more assists than mj too so what..everyone knows he cant touch mj.. and in terms of getting far in the playoffs ur forgetting the fact that lebron plays in the eastern conference where u can make it into the playoffs with a losing record..whereas in the west when shaq left kobe struggled simply because he played on the worst team in the toughest conference..lebron did have a great series like against detroit but kobe has had tons of great series..and the fact that u said dwade hasnt been getting much hate just tells me how dillusional you are cuz its like every game where i hear an announcer talkin about “wade seems too be falling off, this isnt the wade we are accustomed too seeing”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ehh, what’s tougher mentally, all this media attention or guys talking sh*t?
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    Without hesitation, you know it’s the media attention.

  • clutchcargo304

    This website seems to have people who are actually knowledgeable about the game and fairly intelligent in their comments. Way too many sites are just a place to vent and make infantile comments.
    It is obvious that Lebron is trying too hard to get his teammate involved. It has caused him to have turnovers where he should have gotten to the line being fouled going to the hoop or had an and-one.
    People write about what an ego he has, yet his play has demonstrated just the opposite. Kobe and Jordan would take 25-30 shots in a playoff game.
    It seems he is still trying to shake off the bad image he created for himself with “The Decision” by appearing selfless Forget that, Lebron. Start showing why you are the 2-time MVP. There is no Big 3 on Miami right now. It is only the Big One.

  • Narooman

    the Fast break Tos he had in this game, the one he tried to draw a foul on Duncan in the third the double drrible in the first its just not Wade!
    and Miami was outrebounded and outhustled badly in this one

  • Dfrance

    Well yeah I know that, but I wanted to sound less biased in my response. lol

  • Ben Ireland

    Maybe they should be called Pop’s Lebron Rules, no?

  • bike

    I don’t know how to quantify ‘how far above the rest’ but if there was a number associated with that, I would say it would be equal to today. I’m never sure what people are using as a measure when they say players in the 80′s & 90′s are so much better than they are now. Please show me.

  • TR

    Did you guys notice how many times Heat players left their feet for no reason last night? it seemed like every other trip a guy would jump in the air and think “I’m gonna shoot this, oh shit..never mind…try to pass it.” And it was a turnover the other way

  • Dfrance

    It’s just the trendy thing to say. i’m convinced most of the people who say that didn’t even watch ball in the 80s and 90s.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha i figured. i just see all of this over reacting going on and was like, “dammit, France gonna encourage these people by leaving the door open”

  • pposse

    oh yeah its definately the media, but Lebron tunes out the media in the post season nowadays.

    Its a little different with opposing players. IF these guys from yesteryear were playing Bron in the playoffs its not like Lebron would be able to tune out guys smack talking and grabbing and pulling on him. Even now, right now, Lebron’s aggression in game 3 was questionable, how would that change (for the good or bad) with other players getting in your face, and SF who can back up a lot of their talk too with their game?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Dwyane Wade is one of the least fundamentally sound player’s i have ever watched play basketball at a superstar level. ANd LeBron has always had this issue……(jump passing).
    .
    and you are completely right, it seems to have affected Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, and i even saw Ray Allen do it yesterday.

  • shockexchange

    Maybe you should go juggle some chainsaws, no?

  • danpowers

    i know that brooks offense mainly consists of “give the ball to westrbook or durant and lets see what happens” which is good enough (when the team is healthy) to let them be contenders. but the defense didnt look that bad to me.
    sure, pop as a coach and duncan as his defensive anchor are in a class of their own, but i think so far the heat mainly fail to even try properly to set up james in the post. i only saw glimpses of that so far. till now san antonio takes that away from the heat, but then imo its spo’s job to draw plays that somehow get the ball to james in his comfort zone. regardless of how many cuts, off ball screens, pick and rolls, fakes, prayers, flops, crying, biting, scratching etc that may take.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Don’t do this to yourself. LeBron has been the best in the game for a few years now, don’t open this can up.

  • bike

    Yup. He didn’t get the help he needed. Last night. Next game could be a whole different story. People keep forgetting the Heat’s track record when their backs are up against a wall. They eventually persevere.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t think he does. he seems pretty obsessed with his legacy at this point. i think the media is that thing that’s always in the back of his mind.
    .
    how do you know that about the second part? i know me personally, i prefer guys talking sh*t to me. i think it’s actually the opposite. if LeBron doesn’t have people bothering him, being physical, talking sh*t, he loses his edge.
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    Look how he played against Indiana.
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    Now, with San Antonio helping Heat player’s up when they fall down. San Antonio barely even fouls guys.
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    Now LeBron is playing like he’s up against Marry Poppins.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    The spurs are BLATANTLY giving him the jumper…. They are hopping back when he drives, he probably could shoot an uncontested jumper each time. And he’s not taking that shot for the most part, which I call being passive… It’s a good defensive plan from SAN ANTONIO, but when LeBron starts taking and making those shots, it won’t be called good defense…… I personally don’t think he will take those shots…. It’s been 3 games now….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    San Antonio is zoning up on James in the post. He can’t just go down there and do what he did against Oklahoma City because the Spurs defensive system is much much more advanced than OKC’s was.
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    Oklahoma City plays basketball with overwhelming talent.
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    San Antonio plays basketball with overwhelming intelligence.

  • robb

    The Spurs playing like a team on both ends. Leonard’s D on Lebron was solid, but team defense was always there to help.

  • Dfrance

    The can been open all morning bruh. smh

  • Jerome

    I love it. Spurs demolish Heat and still no respect. Spo&Co. are panicking now. Can’t swag out of this series.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you said yourself they were the Mavericks rules.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    considering this is the second time Popovich has defended LeBron the EXACT same way…..maybe you should eat one?

  • danpowers

    dont u think he could still do some damage down low if he got proper touches? its even possible to post up against zone-d. it just requieres quicker actions. basically a zone d “just” takes the option away to back down the defender for seconds. even here in europe you got post play against full / proper zone defense.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    damage? if his teammates hit shots. yeah, tons of damage.
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    but he’s not going to force shots. he’s not Kobe, he’s not Michael. Scoring or even trying to when it doesn’t seem possible, is not really part of his game. He plays the sport the right way, and sometimes, it seems to backfire…..like now, against the Spurs.

  • RunNGun

    Choke jobs belong to Wade and Bosh now…

  • OfftheWall87

    Name a top 10 player Kobe has locked down in the past few seasons. In the playoffs or regular season. Besides those meaningless blocks on LeBron in the All-Star Game which Kobe fans went crazy over and forgot about the real regular season games where the Heat took apart the Lakers. Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen…I can’t think of one time in the postseason the past few seasons where I’ve seen Kobe lock down the other teams best player. He had a nice stretch where he guarded a few PGs this season, but he’s no longer able to do it consistently for a long period of time and that’s been the case for years. LeBron took D-Rose out of 4th quarters two seasons ago in the Conference Finals. Case closed with that. Who creates their own offense better than Rose? But guys who can create for themselves can score on dude? Really?

    You sound like a small child now.

  • bike

    I think a lot of this ‘mental toughness’ talk is the endless comparisons between LeBron and Jordan. He’s the best player on a team that is in it’s third straight finals appearance and…he’s really soft mentally? Seriously?

  • Steppin’ Larry

    Bravo.

  • RayJr

    Lebron has been terrible. Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Parker, etc would never show up in a Finals and play so bad that they wouldn’t even go to the FT line once. Not even ONCE Lebron! Come on guy!!!

    It’s very tough to beat a team when they set a Finals record for 3s in a game. SA could’ve beaten anyone last night with that 3 point shooting contest they held. I wasn’t very surprised SA shot this well. They usually shoot lights out when coming back home from road trips.

    Pretty weak Finals thus far. The trend seems to be going to whoevers bench plays better wins. Big 3′s for both teams have been very disappointing. Hope tomorrow is more competitive.

  • Max

    I haven’t seen Lebron look this mortal in 2 years..

  • danpowers

    thats what i think is the reason he needs a proper position down low to soak in defenders. when he passes from the highpost or halfway on a drive the defense has no reason to fully collapse and will always be able to rotate quick enough to challenge shots, which really hurts the heat.

    even if this thought is nonsense, do you think the heat will be able to make the adjustments necessariy to turn the series around and if yes, how could that look like? to me that sa defense looks almost unbeatable so far.

  • Max

    Not only did Kobe also do it in 2000, he ‘played so bad’ that he did it 3 times in a row..

  • Max

    Looking at comments on nba.com or youtube,.. is too funny.
    And yeah, it’s up to Lebron to prove he can carry his team on his back if he wants to be taken serious in the GOAT discussions.

  • RayJr

    I knew someone would say something about Kobe…and it was Kobe’s first Finals and he never went 0-0 from the line in a Finals game after that. My point is that this is Lebron’s 4th Finals appearance and this shouldn’t be happening.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes, Miami can definitely still win this series. think about it like this, if Miami wins one of the next 2 games, they go back to Miami down 2-3, literally, in the exact position they are “supposed” to be in going into their last 2 home games.

    ehh, Miami’s offense is as reliant on their defense as they are on LeBron James. The only guys on that team who don’t depend on the energy and rhythm of the game are Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, and Mike Miller.

    .

    LeBron can create energy and rhythm, but when it’s completely absent, if he doesn’t do something to get everyone going, he himself seems to struggle.

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    Wade / Chalmers / Anderson / Haslem / Cole all depend on the team’s momentum.

  • Max

    Because I’m sure being in the finals by itself he isn’t motivated or trying to go to the rim..

  • LP @ThisisEther

    I see… I thought we moved past this stage years ago… A Relapse session

  • Max

    Yup, Danny Green does some good work on Lebron too.

  • AQWORD

    Chin check this fool !

  • Max

    And he’s got braids!
    You gotta love that dude.

  • Max

    Haha

  • Max

    If you shoot 40% three’s you take that shot, that’s the best play, not that passing it to a struggeling Wade is bad, but taking an open three is better.

  • Max

    lmao ‘cute jumpshots’ hahahaha.

  • playa

    2006-07
    33.9%
    34.1%
    8
    47
    17.0%

    2010-11
    40.3%
    37.1%
    17
    49
    34.7%

    2011-12
    40.8%
    34.9%
    7
    38
    18.4%

    2012-13
    42.2%
    37.8%
    7
    30
    23.3%

    Career
    36.5%
    35.0%
    39
    164
    23.8%

  • Max

    I don’t know why any nba team hasn’t offered you a job.

  • danpowers

    “LeBron can create energy and rhythm, but when it’s completely absent, if
    he doesn’t do something to get everyone going, he himself seems to
    struggle. ”

    yeah, i find his body language a bit strange. almost no tension, many times he moves quite slow and sometimes his actions on offense lack urgency. he also passed on a handfull of open looks so far. i dont know if he tries to take some rest to be able to shift some gears up in the final games, or if he finally found out how it works to get hurt / injured (not very probable tho) or if he feels just lost on offense against that defense.

  • Max

    HE WOULD still STAND OUT, If you LOOK AT the games, YOU WILL SEE LEBRON IS A BETTER SHOOTER THAN most of the SF’s back THEN.
    HE’d PROBABLY BE SECOND TO THE GOAT.

  • Brion

    Conspiracy theory of the day; ratings are down under Stern’s last Final’s , so to create more drama the defending champs must dig a hole to make one of the most amazing comebacks in NBA final’s history. Therefore the “King” will lead the Heat back all the way to a ratings grabbing game 7. ( book it).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    San Antonio is guarding him like he’s Rajon Rondo. You play much basketball in your life? Just trying to draw a parallel for you, if you are a pretty good shooter, you probably aren’t very used to guys treating you like you don’t knwo what your doing..right? It messes up rhythm.
    .
    I think LeBron is finding himself so open, so often, his mind is making him think “it’s a trap! don’t take the bait” – when really, they are just playing mind games with him. He hits a couple jumpers in a row, they aren’t going to just let him keep shooting uncontested shots. he’s gotta just persevere through that.

  • Max

    Also last year everybody one the Heat was on fire, not just Mike Miller. Which lead to the paint being more open.

  • danpowers

    i think it was first and foremost james’ play that gave his teammates so many open looks that they were able to get hot.

  • shockexchange

    Agreed. In the meantime they can buy the Shock Exchange’s book about the NBA ( http://prn.to/11K7NX9 ).

  • Max

    I sure hope it ends in 5, there are just so many Heat bandwagoners where I live, I can’t enjoy watching them win.

  • Max

    Yeah probably it’s a bit of both.
    Also DWade wasn’t 50 yet and Bosh didn’t shoot 3′s.

  • 1982

    Did you actually watch the ’10 Finals?

  • Max

    Well yeah, if you’re gonna say they would never do it, but do it 3 times, it needs to be said lol.
    And TP also did it once.
    MJ againt Utah also had a game where he didn’t go to the line.

  • shockexchange

    You speak with forked tongue again nbk. First “The Rules” did not make any sense, then “The Rules” were obvious. Now you claim the Mavericks made up “The Rules” or maybe Popovich has been applying “The Rules” for a decade but just didn’t know it. Could you please pick one excuse to try and discredit “The Rules” and stick with it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i didn’t claim the Mavericks made them up. You did.

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    QUOTE,

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    “Ahead 3-2 on the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals, it appears the Dallas Mavericks have devised the following “Lebron Rules”, i.e. the blueprint for stopping Lebron James:”
    http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com/content/view/365/37/
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    Enjoy that chainsaw.

  • danpowers

    lol let em live and have some mercy. where should they go if miami loses this? you shouldnt wish for so many people to get lost

  • TR

    I agree 100 percent. You could tell mentally he was out of it after a while, in terms of his shot. I think in the 3rd or 4th he had a wide open corner 3 and he shot it so differently than he usually does. Hesitated, follow through was off. He just mentally was out of it after struggling all game.

  • thebossman15

    6’9 vs 6’3..shows how desperate u are getting in an attempt too win this argument..i can tell you dont play ball trying too argue lebron is a better defender than kobe..lebron cant move side too side his perimeter d is suspect af, also lebron took d rose out of 2 4th quarters and not the whole series which is what u are trying too make it seem like and regardless it was just team defense..its not like he was forcing him into turnovers like kawhi,artest,kobe,george are capable of doing..he just forced him too take the type of shots that u get when u are the only real threat on ur team and have nobody on ur team too keep the defense honest..(tough shots)..regardless i can name u players off the top of my head who i have seen dance on lebron this postseason alone(stephenson,george,ginobli(when he tries to guard him) like im talking bout this mf be doing full 360s..regardless ur clearly a lebron fan so i dont expect for u too change ur opinion..kobes my favourite player and of course his attention too defense has declined im not denying that, but thats simply cuz hes almost 35 yrs old and has too carry the load offensively due too howards soft ass and injuries too guys like gasol,nash etc..but thats the difference between regular fans and lebron fans..lebron fans are fkin blind too everything

  • shockexchange

    “It appears …” meanwhile on previous posts the Shock Exchange had critiqued pieces of the Kang’s game – as well as other players who had skipped college – which comprise “The Rules.” The Mavs just simply implemented them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “devised” :

    A (dictionary.com): Plan or invent (a complex procedure, system, or mechanism) by careful thought.
    A: (merriam webster) to form in the mind by new combinations or applications of ideas or principles : invent

    .

    learn how to use words maybe>?

    .
    or just keep writing books, claiming you will win pulitzer prizes. And not know what the words you say mean.
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    .
    Still waiting for you to “give” me that book, BTW.

  • shockexchange

    “Shock Exchange” may not win the Pulitzer, but he’ll settle for “Honorable Mention” at the New York Book Festival ( http://clicky.me/7emc ).

  • OfftheWall87

    That was the regular season. Only shooting 36% from there during the postseason. I’ll never knock a guy for wanting to get his sidekick going especially in a series where he can’t win it by himself. And I’m not about to tell LeBron James what the best play is because I haven’t stepped foot on an NBA floor.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Congratulations on having one of the best 21 non-fiction books at the festival. that’s great for you.
    .
    that doesn’t justify you improperly using words.

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah…you’re out of your mind. Not a good sign that you’re so passionate about a player like this. Again, LeBron shut down Derrick Rose. Who has Kobe shut down in the past few seasons in the post season? Did he take Westbrook, Durant or Harden last season while they were running past the Lakers in the 2nd round? Simple yes or no answer.

  • shockexchange

    Thank-you for the high praise … as usual.

  • bike

    LMAO. Just imagine how far our jaws would have dropped if Pop responded with ‘LeBron Rules’.

  • Saleem Rainman

    He’s consistently passive. At some point during the playoffs he just turns off. The only time in his career that didnt REALLY happen was last year, and he won a ring. Every other year in his career (other than 07) his team lost whenever he was very very passive the whole series. Check out consecutive years against Boston, where everyone thought he quit on his team, then we all saw what happened against Dallas. This has been an issue with him since forever. We thought he was past it last year, but i guess not. I agree with NBK in the sense that talent wise, its not evne close. This guy is the best basketball on the planet. By far. By its funny how statistically speaking, his stats arent much better than the final series against Dallas…

  • OfftheWall87

    You’re right. Kobe would shoot his team out of the Finals altogether like he did against the Pistons in 2003-2004.

  • KR

    It is hard to believe this guy has 4 MVPs and Kobe has 1. It is actually sicking. He should have never received another MVP after the decision but sportswriters forgave the Decision and gave him the MVP anyway. Lebron is not a stud or better yet he is a stud against weaker teams in the watered down EAST. I am sick of all this sports outlets giving this guy so much dap and he can’t show up when it really counts.

    @KingJames has never won against experienced teams in the #NBAFinals. Never! OKC was new and inexperienced to the #finals. I would not harp on it except the NBA and all the sportswriters seem to want to stuff the king down my throat as the best player. That he maybe be but he is DEFINITELY NO JORDAN OR KOBE.

  • Saleem Rainman

    wtf r u on. Kobe hasnt been the best since 09. 10 MAYBE. But Bron’s been the best since, individually. Sure, he gets passive (As i’ve mentioned) which is a HUGE flaw, but for most of the year, its not even close. Noone is on his level. Judging by ur comments about Kobe and Durant, clearly the only thing that matter to u is scoring baskets, and the matter in which they are scored. I bet u consider Carmelo better than LeBron too at this point.

  • Guest

    Well I’m 34 years old & I’ve been a die-hard fan of the NCAA & the NBA since I was like 6 years old, so I’ve most definitely seen alot of great & not so great players & I’ve watched alot of great & not so great games from the 80′s & the 90′s…. I don’t follow trends & never-ever will… It was just a question that I wanted to know other people’s opinion on that’s all, nothing more… nothing less. I love LEBRON & been a fan of his since I first heard of him in 2001, but I’m not in denial or biased to the fact that he’s a MAN amongst BOYS in a watered down league of talent, especially in the small forward position cause outside of MELO & DURANT & not including PIERCE… what other legit small forwards ya’ll know that actually gives him a challenge & makes him work hard on both ends of the floor?? …I’ll wait…lol, & that’s why I say for his position, the competition would’ve been way way better for him on a night to night basis in the 80′s & 90′s.

  • danpowers

    maybe pop IS the man behind the shock exchange lol

  • Saleem Rainman

    Have u watched ANY Lakers games? I followed them exclusively this year,With a big Laker community actually. Kobe’s off ball D has to be one of the worst in the league, and noone denies it. He roams for steals and doesnt excert any energy on D, and consistently leaves his man open. THAT was attrocious. I like Kobe, and i hate to knock on him liek this, but some Kobe fans are just freaking delusional.

  • danpowers

    depends on who. i guess if jordan started talking sh*t to anyone while lighting him up or how psychos like (the 90s) rodman or laimbeer (that pr*ck) messed with their opponents, that mustve been something else lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I think it depends on your personality. The more vicious the stuff people say to me, the more I want to embarrass them.

  • danpowers

    when teams dare me to shoot i just shoot and tell my defenders that it hurts my feelings when they leave me open lol. just wouldnt compare that to a caliber like lebron james and the stage he plays. i thought that has seen it all now on court and knew how to deal with any kind of mind games.

    i cant wait for the next game tho to see how he responds. i dont get the low tv rating, how can fans not appreciate two teams like that facing each other? (rhetoric question)

    lol @ “its a trap” but yeah, he mustve heard about it now from spoelstra and his teammates.

    if he loses that finals i cant wait for the next brain dead “kobe vs lebron vs jordan” debates in here with 300+ comments and by god i will contribute to that with all my braindeadness

  • Slick Ric

    Lebron would still be top five and a great player, but I dont see him being better than MJ, Shaq and Hakeem in the 90′s. same thing applies for 80′s, great player but not better than the very best. The talent level of those eras were superior. Nobody’s gonna tel me this guys is on MJ level though, they’re not even guarding him on the perimeter, MJ would be averaging 40-50 points this series.

  • RayJr

    Let the Kobe haters come out. Like Jordan, Duncan, Parker etc never lost a Finals game. Come up with something new.

  • Saleem Rainman

    6’9 vs 6’3? thats ur best counterargument? Thats one of the fastest guys in the LEAGUE being LOCKED DOWN by a Forward. Do u realize he kept him to liek 6% shooting? SIX PERCENT

  • Saleem Rainman

    everyone who watched him take the heat to a chip last year acted like the last 8 years of his career where he disappeared at SOME point of the playoffs didnt happen either. Now its happening again. There’s always a counter perspective to that

  • RayJr

    MY POINT IS!…lol…Lebron shouldn’t be going 0-0 from the line. A guy can’t finish saying Kobe’s name and you guys are already going into the archives to say everything he’s done wrong in the past and making this about Kobe lol. It always happens on SlamOnline. i.e OfftheWall’s commment above.

  • Slick Ric

    Yall sound STUPID….lebron didnt shut down Derrick Rose….THE HEAT DEFENSE DID as a team, just like lebron is being SHUT DOWN by the Spurs defense…………

  • pposse

    calm down, he didn’t do it for the whole game just like 5 mins of each 4th quarter; plus that guy he was locking up was in his third year, first time ever in the conference finals, plus it was a team effort that should not be all on Lebron.

  • Drig

    Guys overreacting here much? It’s the NBA Finals. It was a bad shooting game for Bron and a lights out shooting clinic from teh Spurs role players. However, LeBron shouldn’t be shooting 3s. Like ever. He’s an average shooter even when his shot count from deep is low.

    While I do expect LeBron to improve, it’ll be almost impossible for him to play lights out this series with the way the Spurs are playing team D. This is probably the first team in a long time that IMO has multiple Finals MVP candidates because of their play. Especially on the defensive end.

    Miami needs to move the ball quicker and make decisions more quickly. Easier said than done. LBJ needs to make plays off the pass rather than hold it up and let the Spurs D recover. Either that or he magically whips out a dirk-esque/ kobe-esque fadeaway.

    Wade and Bosh have regressed so much it’s shocking tbh. Even with his injury, I expected Wade to make more plays and set LeBron up with his drives ( even if he cannot finish teams won’t take the risk of giving Wade a free lane ).

    Spo has to reintegrate Bosh into the offense. He’s become the 2nd coming of Bargiani.

  • OfftheWall87

    You didn’t watch the series. So the Heat defense just didn’t want to shut him down until the fourth quarter? Because he did well before that quarter which was when they put LeBron on him mostly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He’s “disappeared” in the finals in 2011, and in one game against Boston. Other than that? When did he “disappear”? The finals in 07? When San Antonio basically guarded him and only him? Is that the only other playoffs you are talking about when you say he disappeared every year?

  • OfftheWall87

    Let the ignorance come out. Did Kobe not shoot his team out of that Finals series? Typical dude who ignores the substance of a comment and just blurts out whatever nonsense they can think of. An entire series? Jordan never lost a Finals series. So take him out of that group.

  • Slick Ric

    Really, he did well throughout game? lol….heat did the same thing the Spurs are doing against lebron, pack the paint and make him a jump shooter. The thing thats sad though is that the Heat have shooters, Bulls only had Korver and he sucked that series. You obviously didnt watch the seires, Rose didnt do well against chalmers, bibby etc…because the team defense the heat played didnt have to worry about any shooting threats besides korver.

  • RayJr

    Why are you making this about Kobe? If I just say “NBA Greats” instead of mentioning players you would never have said anything. But Kobe is mentioned and you have to troll and turn the post into something Kobe. Typical Kobe hater to do that. I also never said anything about a series. Chill bro lol

  • Junior Taylor

    I think the fact that the Spurs are treating him like Rondo has f*cked with his mind. LeBron is used to defenders (help/man) crowding him off the PnR, so he looks lost out there whenever the Spurs go under picks which is leading to him hesitating before going up for a shot (which is the worst thing any shooter can do). it would help if Spo got him off the ball and ran some actual plays that got LeBron attacking on the move.

  • OfftheWall87

    D-Rose was more willing to take those shots than LeBron is and he still got to the basket with LeBron on him, he just couldn’t finish over him. I watched each game that series. To say that Rose didn’t do well against Bibby is the highest form of stupidity I can think of. How couldn’t he do well against Mike Bibby as if he was a defensive stopper? Come on dude. If Chalmers did so well, why would they switch LeBron on him knowing that he would use up some of his energy on that side of the floor and not be able to use it on the offensive side of the floor? Rose averaged just two points below his regular season average that series…so who wasn’t he doing well against besides LeBron? If the team defense was so great on him before the 4th quarter, why would they change and put LeBron on him at that time?

  • RayJr

    Made a correction up there for you bro lol

  • OfftheWall87

    You mentioned Kobe when you were trying to say that those guys never played as badly as LeBron is playing. Now you’re getting all sensitive over it. If you just meant “NBA greats” then you should have said that instead of naming him. Because he’s not the guy to mention when you’re trying to make a point about how bad someone is playing in the Finals given how he’s had bad performances in the Finals especially that 2003-2004 season. It weakens whatever you’re trying to say. Had you just mentioned Jordan, you would have been fine. But anyone who knows anything would have taken you up on Kobe. Not just a “hater” as you term it.

  • bike

    Couple of questions:

    (1) What are you using as a measure of “watered down
    league of talent”? Are you simply basing that on observation or can you point to a statistic that backs that up?

    (2) Kawhi Leonard is a legit small forward/swingman who seems to make LeBron work pretty hard these days. Are you saying LeBron just breezes through most games w/out working hard???

  • Saleem Rainman

    Okay, maybe the last 8 years was a bit of an exaguration lol. Cuz for the first 3 or so of his career, the Cavs didnt have much expectations, even when they were in the playoffs. (45 wins in 07-08, wasnt that the year when he had that epic game 7 battle against Paul Pierce?) But for about the past 4-5 , only once has he played to his potential and not “choked” as some ppl say, and as a result his team went all the way. That year in Boston as u mentioned, was very memorable. Hey, he still had a huge game STATISTICALLy, he had liek a 30 point triple double, but when it came to crunch team , he played so horrible , and had that dazed look in is eyes , and staring at the coach for answers, that ppl accused him of quitting on his team. He never played for the cavs again. People forget that the series they played the celtics before that, in the elimination game, the same thing basically happened.

    2009 against the Magic? Other than his game 2 game winner? His team was by far the best in the East that year.

    Then of course we all remember the 2011 fiasco. i wont go into that.

    The point is, at some point, it was almost guranteed that LeBron would “choke” as some like to put it, and lose to an inferior team, or not play to his talents in at least ONE critical game, or a whole series. He’d get that dazed look in his eyes, pass when he shud be aggressive, adn just look flustered to the point where u’d be thinking “wtf is going on in his head?” Everyone knew this and accepted it at the time.

    The one time that didnt happen? and he played to his potential and wasnt passive? they won a ring. period.

    This year though, much of the same is happening. He’s passive, (his teammates arent helping him for anything, thats true, but isnt that more of a reason to be aggressive, and go “cleveland” mode, as he put it?) and honestly, statistically, he isnt much better this year in the finals as he was against Dallas, or San Antionio the first time around in 07. (even though as u said, that was a whole differnet circumstance.)

    So , like you said, ppl are forgetting wha the’s done the past 6 months, he’s been amazing all year. But when he won his chip last year, ppl forgot his faltering the last 4-5 years.

    Whats the bigger sample size? 4-5 postseasons, or 6 months?

    Also, it should be noted, i mentioned not about the 07 series. in my below post, i mentioned that every year probably SINCE 07 (where he single handedly annihilated the east favourite Pistons) other than the year he won that chip finally, he under performed when it mattered most. Sure his stats looked fine, so dont reply throwing a bunch of stats at me (please lol) but if u watched those games, which i know you did, you watch more basketball than likely anyone here, and i know i watched those games, you know exactly what im talking about.

    It should also be noted, that in my below post i basically agreed with you. You said that his agression issue is a huge glaring problem (and thats honestly all i was getting at) but regardless of that, he’s by far the best player in the league. and has been for years. Its not even fair at this point. So what if he’s more magic than jordan? But the fact that he’s head and shoulders above the rest of the L is what makes his passiveness all the more frustrating and head scratching for me all these years. I honestly thought he had gotten over this issue last year, but again, his numbers in these Finals arent much better than the disastrous finals against Dallas. Which is upsetting, to say the least.

  • bike

    Paragraphs please, and watch number of subjects in paragraph.

    Now, please continue.

  • RayJr

    Yeah really bad performances but has 5 rings. GTFOH. Just reading some of your comments below it seems you have a journal from as far back as 2000 detailing every mistep in Kobe’s career. If anyone is sensitive to anything Kobe it’s you.
    …KOBE BRYANT… you just punched a wall didn’t you? lol Don’t be so serious man.

  • Dfrance

    First off I’d like to say that I wasn’t coming at you specifically, I just feel like in general, being that the late 80s to 90s was the golden era of basketball, it’s become popular for people to say that this generation pales in comparison.

    To answer your question about his competition at the SF position, it is slim, but he’s a great player. The competition at a position for a great player is always slim. When MJ was at his peak, how many SGs were giving him comp night in and night out? Shaq? Kobe? Iverson? Wilt?

    That’s what makes a player great, the fact that no one else is on their level. I have a hard time believing that LeBron, with his basketball skills as well as his physical talents, would have trouble competing against the best of any generation.

  • LakeShow

    The importance of a jumpshot…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    . He has NEVER lost in the 1st round.
    . Every year he has lost in the playoffs before 2011 he lost to a superior team.
    . 2009 against the Magic?
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_ECF.html

    …when he averaged 38-8-8?

    - Games of, 49-35-41-44-37-25…..
    .
    his team was the best in the regular season. because of him. not because they were a great team. they were a horrible team other than him. don’t you remember them falling apart when he left? or is that not apart of reality?
    .
    are you talking about how he looks when the team is defeated? is that what you are talking about? the glazed look in his eye in game 6 of the Orlando series? because he was doing everything imaginable, and the team wasn’t winning. oh, THAT is what you mean?

  • Junior Taylor

    the importance of having confidence in your jumpshot

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the importance of unyielding confidence.
    .
    he clearly has an elite jumpshot. as has been proven all season long.

  • LakeShow

    Was it just me or was everyone else’s favorite part when T-Mac started playing?

    Haha, love that guy.

  • LakeShow

    Huh?
    Sensitive?
    Talking about Green and Neal…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well, i’m just giving an example of a mindset. not literally what i do in situations in my personal life.

    .

    me, IRL? i literally laugh. literally. i will laugh through misses, it doesn’t matter. i have enough irrational confidence in my jumpshot to shoot my way out of any slump in the middle of a game. but i don’t think LeBron has that. i know he isn’t wired to do stuff like that, he’s too unselfish.

  • The Philosopher

    Alright, good brethren of SLAM…
    Expect a huge night from The King tomorrow. He knows what is at stake. He has dialed it up before.
    Expect a near Historic night at The Finals.
    The King is due.
    As is Dwyane Wade.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh you were? my bad. — i’ve been dealing with a lot of people saying LeBron can’t shoot today. And made an ass(out of myself)umption.
    .
    edit,

    *the importance of unyielding confidence.

    .
    they clearly have elite jumpshots, they proved it all season.*

  • LakeShow

    How does Blair not get any PT?
    Dude has obvious skills. He should at least get a little burn during actually game play. He is equal or better than Splitter IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is about .0000001 the defender that Splitter is. Especially against the pick and roll.

  • RayJr

    I just tuned back in at the end just to see if he would score. AT&T Center would’ve exploded if he did.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah.. good point. Happens when you don’t have ACL’s I guess.
    He’s such a good rebounder and finisher and has a jump shot. So i’d like to see him get at least a little burn.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    word, i don’t really know the reasoning behind why he doesn’t get any run. i assume he commits brain fart type mistakes, since Pop is his coach.

  • danpowers

    i wouldnt label him as unselfish, neither as selfish just because he is not a volume shooter. but i get the point. apparently he doesnt seem like that. i just hope he’ll somehow some way get it going soon to make it a series again.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah that was my assumption too. Hopefully he can be a part of a team’s roto again someday cause I love watching him play.

  • Saleem Rainman

    im not denying any of what ur saying. Everyone knows that team was good because of LeBron. he was THAT good. But he kept coming up short against teams they shud still beat. I.E the magic.

    Correction , HE should beat those teams, not THEY. he WAS that team. Yes, that was the expectation of him, regardless of how irrational it was. But really it wasnt that irrational, he played in a VERY watered down East. He had those great stats against the magic, that u pointed out. and , as i mentioned in my above post, i knew he had. statistically he’s always been great, but when it was crunch time and winning time, he was being outplayed by Turkoglu late in the games, despite RAPING him the first 3 and a half quarters(more, in fact)

    No, im talking about how he looked when the going got tough, and it was his time. I.E that series against Boston u mentioned, it was anyone’s game, and he turned it over. Bad shot, turnover again. he had nothing going for him, and he didnt know wth he cud possible do. he didnt wanna shoot, he looked like he just wanted to curl up into a ball and hide.

    Again, u watched those games. You should know this better than anyone else.

    Considering his talent, that type of thing should never ever have happened.

  • Max

    I can rub it into their face.
    Pause..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes he did, come on man, think about it. if it were just a team thing, Mario Chalmers would have been effective…..but he wasn’t.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/27/2193005/lebron-james-defense-derrick-rose-miami-heat-chicago-bulls
    .
    there is a reason Rose didn’t struggle with anyone else guarding him Ric. Don’t ignore what’s right infront of your face.

  • Max

    I know he shouldn’t, but you mentioned some guys names, so I just told you they also did that.
    It’s unacceptable but it obviously happens.

  • OfftheWall87

    Ah…the 5 rings argument always comes up at some point from Kobe defenders lol. They don’t remember how those rings were won and what part he played in it. But I won’t go into that. Just know that your dude isn’t perfect and he was responsible for the breakup of a dynasty all because he wanted to win on his own.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    HOW DID HE COME UP SHORT AGAINST THE MAGIC? you keep saying that, but there is literally no proof of it.

    .

    was it this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fD1MNjkPFs

    .

    this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bnuSFF9AlQ

    . this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Pxkyv3sXM

    -
    He seems to have done just about everything imaginable for that team to win. One of the 2 wins that he did get, coming from that buzzer beater above….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    hopefully his career lasts that long. arthritis is going to creep up on him fast as hell.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    as a basketball player, in what way is he not unselfish?

  • bike

    Aye. How quickly people forget the Heat’s ability to respond when their backs are against the wall. They. Endeavor. To. Persevere.

  • RayJr

    That’s what I meant. It’s unacceptable and odd for players in that realm and caliber to do that.

  • pposse

    A lot of it does come down to that comparison for me. At the end of the day i been watching the NBA pretty regularly since 1991 and the two best players i’ve seen are MJ and Bron. So whenever

    I dont think he’s soft, but I don’t think he’s as vicious as guys like Kobe or Duncan. Just something about the whole demeanor; when he says stuff its cliche like i’ve heard it before. I don’t ever think i have seen a pass first ball player win a title since 1991. Last yr i didn’t view Lebron as pass first, he was shooting first and that sparked the Heat. 3 straight finals appearances is impressive.

    IF the Heat lose this series and Bron’s numbers are end up being similar to what they are right now then he is the Peyton Manning of the NBA (which is not a bad thing per say).

  • Saleem Rainman

    So ur gonna harp about ONE example i used? how about the other 3-4 examples?

    He came up short against the Magic because the Cavs came up short. He was the Cavs, as u admitted.

    But regardless of that series, even if u dont count that series and erase it from history, he still made a habbit of coming up painfully short in 3 of the past 4 years. Make it 4 of 5 at this rate .

  • LakeShow

    Green and Neal were just straight jacking shots… It was incredible.
    JR Smith probably had wet dreams thinking about it.
    It’s always fun to watch guys that jack up shots win the game for their team. Everyone loves to rag on players that launch up shots…….. until they drain them.
    It shows that their is no “right way” or blueprint to success in basketball.

    Their is only one way to play ball “right”…
    That’s with your heart out and your balls big.

  • The Philosopher

    Agree, to a point.
    To aid in that argument, (about guys who jack up shots) it may behoove one to observe the career of John Starks.

  • thebossman15

    maybe if u knew how to read u would see that i admitted kobe doesnt put forth the effort on defense these days cuz he has too COMPLETELY carry the lakers offensively..hes not 28 anymore and doesnt have the energy too play d at as high as a level as he plays offensively..but when it comes too the end of the game everyone knows whos locking up the other teams best player and thats kobe..besides lebron does put the effort defensively and he sucks..some lebron fans are friggin delusional and ur one of them

  • RayJr

    Neal always jacks up shots. Every time he checks in you can see he is just itching to shoot. Just last night in the most important game of his life he was draining them. Otherwise Pop yanks him if he’s missing and Parker’s hamstring isn’t sidelining him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They lost to a superior TEAM. He was the Cavs. He is not a team. He left. He has been to 3 straight finals since. How is this hard to understand?
    .
    painfully short in 2011. the rest? completely expected. at least, if you pay attention, and understand what you are seeing. apparently.

  • Sergio

    Me too! But it would be great if he could score at least one basket in a Spurs jersey…

  • thebossman15

    regular season..u sound retarded,lots of players are good during the regular season..the clippers look amazing during the regular season..but if u know basketball the regular season means shit..carmelo is more skilled than lebron offensively..defensively they both are average lebron gets somewhat of an edge cuz of his help defense..melo just doesnt win when it matters which is why i feel lebron is better than him..kd is also more skilled then lebron and has shown he can lead a team and win games somewhat like kobe can and he also has that killer instinct and in time will be the new face of the league once kobe retires..something that all the greats have though including kobe,kd, even melo is a killer instinct..lebron has no clue what a killer instinct is which is why he will never be better than kobe

  • Saleem Rainman

    Seriously? You JUST mentioned Earlier that he choked agaisnt Boston that year…now all of a sudden it was JUST 2011 that he came painfully short? At least stick to one story. You SAW what happened. Dont try to re write history just to back up what you’re saying . Everyone saw it. Noone tries to deny what happened.

    The only debate was whether he quit on them, or just simply didnt show up when he needed to, before tearing off his cavs jersey as he walked to the lockerroom, never to put it on again.

  • thebossman15

    did you? kobe averaged 29 and 8 playing on one leg and 8 fingers basically..and he won a championship..dumass gtfo here who u tryna clown

  • Saleem Rainman

    yup. 6% in the fourth quarters i think it was. Still huge. 5 minutes per each 4th quarter, is liek HALF the final quarter. Thats no small feat…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I was talking about the Cavs losing. Not how he played. The Cavs losing wasn’t them coming up painfully short. That’s what I was referring to when I said 2011 in that last comment, the team he was on.

  • LakeShow

    He still had fancy passes and looked completely disinterested while making some nice moves.
    Classic T-Mac!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • Saleem Rainman

    My original post was all about how he played. And how his passiveness has always been an issue with him. Like i said, 3 out of the past 4 years it has. Its rearing its ugly head again in this series was the whole purpose of my post

  • shockexchange

    Go to your local public library and put the book on reserve. You will have it in less than two weeks.

  • LakeShow

    It’s crazy to watch the best player in the game go from having the most efficient, and one of the best, seasons EVER by a SF… To becoming a 17ppg on 39% FG guy with very little aggression put into scoring the ball.
    It’s a truly intriguing thing to watch.
    Spurs gain my respect more and more. Pop was somehow underrated in my book before this series. He is possibly the greatest coach in L history.
    He, P-Jax, and Red are the trinity without a doubt.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t actually want it, just pointing out another time you glaringly didn’t know what words that you were using meant.

  • Max

    Boston: 27 – 9 – 7.
    Orlando: 38 – 8 – 8.
    Boston: 27 – 6 – 8.
    From 08-10
    I wouldn’t call that playing passive.

  • shockexchange

    “You glaringly didn’t know what words that you were using meant” – yeah … that so describes the Shock Exchange.

  • Max

    He never won against experienced teams, because his team wasn’t.
    07 Cavs lol
    Miami in their first year.
    Only this year they are not the unexperienced team.

  • Max

    Hahahaha

  • Max

    I think TMac body produces THC and that’s why he has those lazy eyes all the time.

  • Max

    I got Pop as the GCOAT(?).
    Especially if they win it all this year.

  • Saleem Rainman

    Again, the Stats were AMAZING. But when it came to crunch time, if u watched the games, we ALL know what happened. Turnover after turnover when he shud have been shooting rather than looking to pass in crunch time, specefically those Boston series. The Magic series i’ve already thrown out the window (despite Turk outplaying him in crunch time mind u, he still did amazingly but the team wasnt enough, i admit)

  • speedy

    Just look how everything unfolds and don’t be to early with your criticism all you LeBron haters. This series stands at 2-1 and LeBron is pissed of right now.

    He is one of the greatest, but nobody is perfect.

  • Saleem Rainman

    exactly. So my memory doesnt fail me. 6.3 percent when being guarded by LeBron. That is AMAZING. Now let someone else try to say that LeBron didnt shut him down, and that i should “calm down”. *cough*

  • speedy

    So we stop listening to the dum media and start listening to you dumy?
    Kobe thinks he is the best.

    Kobe had the possibility to play along some of the players of their time when he won his rings. That’s just the way it is. The same goes for Jordan great player, great team, great coach. I can’t say that for LeBron in these finals. So shut up.
    I understand that this game from LeBron was bad, but it doesn’t take away anything from what he has done for b-ball and he will bounce back and will let you know, that he is the best right now.
    If he will win the chip nevertheless depends on how the whole team will react and play the next games.

  • danpowers

    even if they dont

  • danpowers

    philosophical thing dont want to get into that now. i just dont like that adjective at all.

  • danpowers
  • speedy

    Get of Kobe’s d*** and extend your horizon.

  • Guest

    Yeah I know you wasn’t coming at me specifically & I know what you were saying was true, I just telling you I wasn’t one of them that’s all…lol. It’s cool…. Now for all those players at their peak, who was their comp? well for (MJ) he either had a defensive-minded shooting guard holdin him or a offensive-minded shooting guard he had to hold coming at him damn near every game that made him work… CLYDE DREXLER, REGGIE MILLER, MITCH RICHMOND, DRAZEN PETROVIK, NICK ANDERSON, JOHN STARKS, GERALD WILKINS, LATRELL SPREEWELL, MICHAEL FINLEY, JEFF HORNACEK, JOE DUMARS & HERSEY HAWKINS just to name a few… (IVERSON) had a nice amount of comp during his peak that made him work hard on both ends also & I’m not saying (LEBRON) wouldn’t get his cause I know he will, I’m just saying he’ll have to work a little harder on defense back then cause their were BETTER SMALL FORWARDS for damn near every team that could really go at him on a NIGHTLY-BASIS, maybe even get him in foul trouble, than now & outside of the ones I already named (MELO & DURANT) I just don’t see that with the SMALL FORWARDS playing today, i just don’t.

  • speedy

    What is even funier, is that everybody is getting at LeBron, DWade and Bosh because they had an of night and because of that their team didn’t win.
    The big 3 of SA didn’t do much more either and won.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    fair enough.

  • speedy

    Sorry Michael, you are still the greatest. :-)

  • thebossman15

    wtf r u saying..do u know how too speak english u dumass, are u trying too tell me dwyane wade and bosh arent “great players” u retard..learn to speak english u clown..get off lebron dick u made no points u sound like one of those retards on lie witness news from jimmy kimmel with no clue wtf is going on

  • LakeShow

    Man…. thad be awesome…

  • LakeShow

    It’s not offensive to my ears if that’s any indicator. lol
    Arguments could be made for either of the three gents.

  • The Seed

    Like I have stated over and over, He cannot shoot. He wants to be Lelayup, but the Spurs will not allow him to be that. Pacers allowed him to be Lelayup. Bron can’t shoot and for all of yall he think he can, are lost. What other NBA great, would teams just allow him to shoot and not guard him. Also whats up with Bron’s great ESPN High IQ, shouldn’t that have kicked in. ESPN showed it every day for about a week. Dennis was right. Lebron is about to be dogged for the whole Summer. Like I stated before, Spurs in 5. BOOK IT!!

  • vannshy

    “Lelayup” ahahahahahahah

  • Kadavour

    “I think LeBron is finding himself so open, so often, his mind is making him think “it’s a trap! don’t take the bait” – when really, they are just playing mind games with him.” – WHAT?! Dude, stick to stats, your analysis at times is so far off base it’s embarrassing.

  • Max

    Haha.

  • Max

    Yeaa.

  • i_ball

    JR Smith probably had wet dreams thinking about it.

    LOL

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah, the regular season means nothing…which is why no one plays for homecourt advantage in the playoffs during the regular season. KD is a better scorer than LeBron…but nothing else. He’s also a better scorer than your guy Kobe Bryant, a better passer than Kobe Bryant, and a better rebounder which means he’s a better player.

    What exactly is “killer instinct”? If LeBron doesn’t know what it is, you definitely don’t. He’s already better than Kobe and has been for years. Are you Kobe’s brother, uncle or something? What’s going on?

  • OfftheWall87

    Against the Celtics? No, he averaged 27, 6 and 4 and he shot 41% from the field. The entire team was lucky that they got to the free throw line because it was an ugly game in Game 7. They only shot 33% from the field. Kobe missed 18 shots. Where did you get those numbers from? And he’s lucky Kendrick Perkins was hurt for Game 7 because had he played, chances are great the Lakers would have lost because Boston’s defense with those two anchors in Perk and KG would have made the Lakers night even worse offensively. Gasol averaged 20 and 11 that postseason by the way.

  • OfftheWall87

    Whoa, you should take a look at your comments from today before you go criticizing someone’s English.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so what you are saying is, you have never had a respectable jump shot….

  • Dagger

    Occasionally your comments deter me from posting, because you’ve already summed up things better than I could. Respect.

  • Guest

    (1) I’m basing it off observation cause in this situation, that’s all you need is observation… You don’t need stats to prove that.. I don’t know how old you are or how long you’ve been a basketball fan, but just think about & look at all the players we grew up watching (not read about or you-tubed about) actually watched in the 80′s & 90′s the way they played the game, even the mediocre players & tell me the talent today is equal to or better.
    (2) KAWHI LEONARD is doing a good job staying in front of him the way he should, don’t get me wrong but it’s more of the TEAM DEFENSE than his ONE ON ONE DEFENSE that has (LEBRON) working hard or settling on OFFENSE, now what about when (KAWHI’S) on OFFENSE… do (LEBRON) have to work that hard holding him? NO…lol, and that’s my point….there’s not alot of SMALL FORWARDS in the league today that can go at him & make him work hard on both ends of the floor on a NIGHT TO NIGHT BASIS!!!

  • Max

    Lebron and Kanye = SLAM explosion!

  • Slick Ric

    D.Rose struggled against Bibby because of TEAM defense just like he did against everybody else, the man shot 39 percent for series and he ONLY shot FIFTEEN shots against lebron……LBJ did nothing different than the others. Miami packed the paint and made him a jump shooter because the Bulls only had one outside threat(Korver, who struggled that series), so anytime Rose did beat his man, there were two-three guys ready for him because the lack of perimeter threats. The reason miami put Lebron on Rose was to give him a different look to keep him from getting into a rhythm….Wade, bibby, chalmers and Lebron all guarded him, it wasn’t because he was torching the heat, again, he shot 39% for the series and ONLY shot 15 times against Lebron.

  • Max

    Cleveland could not stop Dwight, and everybody on the Magic was on fire.

  • Bear Twentythree

    lebrick

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Hey man I really appreciate that

  • OfftheWall87

    Answer the question. If their team defense was so great, why did they have to put LeBron on him in the 4th quarter? Mario Chalmers would have been able to stay on him if that was the case which it wasn’t. Either you watched the series or you didn’t. Why would they wait until the last 12 minutes of the game to make sure Rose didn’t catch a rhythm as if he couldn’t catch it in the previous 36? Makes absolutely no sense.

  • Slick Ric

    Something I forgot to mention was that Lebron is their best defender so why not put him on Rose in crunch time? And I remember Lebron asking to guard him as well…again, there were many players that defended Rose at times to affect his rhythm which resulted in him shooting 39% which is horrible and ONLY fifteen of those shots came when being defended by lebron…which should let you know it was great TEAM defense, since bibby is such a horrible defender but he still wasnt able to take advantage of being guarded by him.

  • RunNgun

    LeBron did his part; his team didn’t show up to win.

  • The Fury

    16.7 ppg in the Finals, was Rodman looking at a mirror ball?? I know he’s crazy but what he told the media about Lebron is making a lot of sense now.

  • The Fury

    Yeah, everytime he dunks on someone he doesn’t even scream/smile/stare/anything to that defender. He just goes back on the other side of the floor to play defense. Just needs to work on his offensive game more this offseason, and he’d be a beast comes 2013-2014 season.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ben Osborne

    I think he comes up big tomorrow. Thank you guys for all the comments

  • Tim Dogg

    Maybe if you learned to spell we would better understand your point. It’s to, not too. Are you in first grade?

  • havoc33

    It’s true that Lebron got to the Finals with a pretty weak supporting cast, but in all fairness he also faced much weaker competition overall out in the East. While the West has been stacked for years, the Eastern conference has been weak all the way throughout Lebrons career. No one predicted the ’06 Lakers to make the Playoffs, but Kobe got them in there and they were only one rebound away from a HUGE upset against the Suns.

  • speedy

    Dude, relax! English is not my first language. I’m excusing if I can’t fulfill your high expectations on here.

    Wade and Bosh aren’t great players right now or did I miss some games?

    And my one and main point is, that basketball is a team sport.

    Kobe couldn’t win without a great coach and team, Michael couldn’t do it and LeBron can’t. As good as you are individuallly isn’t important if you don’t have a team and coach or system, that benefits your strenghts.

    I’m no clown, I’m no retard. I played organized ball for 18 years on many levels until an achilles tendon rupture. So I think I’m able to recognize and respect game. You fail in that departement while being focused on Kobe. That’s my opinion.

  • speedy

    ‘how too speak english u dumass’
    LOL

  • havoc33

    Shaq was just as much to blame for the breakup, even Phil played a part in it in the way he put them up against each other. Tex Winter criticized Phil for this several times, and Tex more often than not, took Kobe’s side in the beef.

    But yeah, Kobe’s 2004 Finals was horrible. He had basically one good game.

  • 1982

    “Clown.” Watch it, Internet tough guy, you might break your keyboard with that type of manly rage. Kobe wouldn’t have won that series without Pau even if he averaged 40 and 15.

  • Ben Ireland

    Ben Ireland thinks the Shock Exchange might have overreacted and kindly advises him to try removing his head from his sphincter.

  • shockexchange

    Touche’

  • danpowers

    Their is only one way to play ball “right”…
    That’s with your heart out and your balls big.

    brains dont hurt neither ;)

  • danpowers

    since his ACLs are gone i guess dolan cant wait to open up his wallet for him as soon as stoudemire is off the books in ny

  • Mars

    LeBron, do it for Ronnie Fields and Lenny Cooke

  • Durantulaisnext

    ROSE HIMSELF admitted that Lebron shut him down. Case closed.

  • ishidontlike

    This nagga changed his avatar to a naked, in the mirror bathroom pic and that’s not sus? A site he KNOWS dudes frequent. Where they do that at?

  • ace

    You think Lakeshow The Seed or posse, the hating trio, still won’t have something to fault him for? You’re wrong about that.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Doctor j is mad as hell that he thinks lakers tricked sixers to get bynum. Lol. Its just kobe win because hes that good and he got pau gasol. Hes not alone.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Kobe prime is in the 2000s. Now its lebron era. U guys cant deny that. Its just damn ignorant.

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