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Tuesday, June 4th, 2013 at 11:21 am  |  50 responses

NBA Players React to Miami Heat’s Game 7 Win

A tweetcap.

The Miami Heat put a beating on the Indiana Pacers Monday night, taking Game 7 by a score of 99-76. Roll through the gallery above to see how players around the NBA reacted to the big win.

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  • Conor

    Indiana must learn three things from this series:

    i. Vogel makes poor lineup choices (ie, Hibbert in Game I; exaggerated stints for Augustin/Stephenson/Young throughout the series) and someone must work with him to correct it.

    ii. George Hill is not a starting-calibre NBA point guard.

    iii. PG cannot shoot less than fifteen shots unless Indiana is winning by 20+.

    Miami won the championship last season because they, collectively, rebounded like demons. James and Wade generate so much of their offence from there, it’s incredible.

    I don’t believe that Miami can defeat San Antonio in a seven-game series if SAS’ arc-range is on target.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jay.brodes Jay Brodes

    nice effort by indy..congrats to heat..now to nike..drop the azg now!!!

  • Beardgang

    Lance Stephenson played well all around who could of played better on indianas bench and hill good enough they just have no bench so if most of the starters don’t play we’ll they’ll lose and hill and George shot bad and hibbert barely shot the bal @conor

  • Conor

    The impetus is on Vogel to tell role players like Stephenson and Hill to allow George and West and Hibbert to initiate the offence. Their roles are as post entrants/conduits and system jumpers/drives, but Vogel seemed content to allow them to dribble-heave multiple possessions, every game over the entire series. This time it truly cost them because Miami was given more defensive leeway, which they earned, in terms of aggression.

    Lance Stephenson played well in the first quarter. After that point, he and Hill seemed content to linger with the ball while Hibbert/West – effectively allowing Miami’s defence to configure around the the two bigs, who had often established post position for multiple seconds without any reward – waited for a terrible lob that played directly into Miami’s baseline traps which, again, would not have been possible if they had made concise decisions.

    Young should not be allowed to shoot or initiate offence, it’s that simple.

    Augustin is too small to handle Miami’s blitzes.

    George took nine shots. Several of those were forced, end-of-shot-clock heaves which were only necessitated by Hill/Stephenson’s hesitancy to actually give him the ball in a good position, earlier in the clock. That is unacceptable and, once again, a mistake that should have been corrected by the Pacers’ coaching staff.

    Ultimately, Wade and Allen showed up, and that was all James needed as Indiana imploded.

  • Conor

    *George/West/Hibbert to create, not initiate

  • roscoe

    Some good points, but IND was one substitution from being in the finals.

    this is okc 2.0 w/out kd or dub-brook.

    i thought IND was very well coached overall.

  • Shooting Guard

    not to take anything away from the pacers, but this could’ve actually ended in game 6 if bosh and wade took it seriously. the heat are for real

  • http://www.facebook.com/muhammad.tahir.naeem Tahir Naeem

    Why exactly is Royce White’s tweet in this list?

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    I would hate the heat as players.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Ekpe Udoh’s “Bieber has gotten caught up in this world” comment stood out to me.

    I’m usually indifferent to what celebrities wear but his leather shirt and “2 chainz” irritated me more than Reggie Miller’s squeaky pre-pubescent voice.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni D dot Sanchez

    ‘George Hill is not a starting-calibre NBA point guard.’

    cmon! gtfoh

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni D dot Sanchez

    exactly. no need for him

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i) Vogel’s defense of that move makes perfect sense. Unless you count on your own players being immediately beat off the dribble, the Hibbert benching made perfect sense. Maybe not to you as a fan, but as a coach with faith in your players, it made perfect sense. — “exaggerated stints” is ignorance. Those are his bench players. He has to play them when he’s not playing his starters. Foul Trouble will lead to extended playing time. It’s very simple.

    ii) Yes he is. And clearly at that. He just struggled against Miami…which a lot of guys do.

    iii) The team was 24-17 when he shot 15 or more shots. (58% winning % which is 1% LOWER than their season win %)
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    Miami won the championship last season…..and struggled on the boards….in fact, they gave up more rebounds than any team in the league last season. Infact, the only playoff teams in 2011-12 who were worse on the glass than Miami were, Dallas/New York/Memphis
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    In closing, you don’t know what you are talking about.

  • fruizm

    You can tell Justin Bieber is going down the wrong road!

  • LakeShow

    He’s just representing his roots man…

  • LakeShow

    I almost agree with you on GH… He is so damn inconsistent.
    He has the skillset. He just doesn’t have the mindset right now.

  • Conor

    Again… the impetus is on Vogel to tell role players like Stephenson and Hill to allow George and West and Hibbert to create offence. Their roles are as post entrants/conduits and system jumpers/drives, but Vogel seemed content to allow them to dribble-heave multiple possessions, every game over the entire series. This time it truly cost them because Miami was given more defensive leeway, which they earned, in terms of aggression. This is also thanks to preparedness, which falls on THE COACHING STAFF.

    Hill seemed content to linger with the ball while Hibbert/West – effectively allowing Miami’s defence to configure around the the two bigs, who had often established post position for multiple seconds without any reward – waited for a terrible lob that played directly into Miami’s baseline traps which, again, would not have been possible if they had made concise decisions.

    George took nine shots. Several of those were forced, end-of-shot-clock heaves which were only necessitated by Hill’s hesitancy to actually give him the ball in a good position, earlier in the clock. That is unacceptable and, once again, a mistake that should have been corrected by the Pacers’ coaching staff.

    “i) Vogel’s defense of that move makes perfect sense. Unless you count on your own players being immediately beat off the dribble, the Hibbert benching made perfect sense. Maybe not to you as a fan, but as a coach with faith in your players, it made perfect sense. — ”

    So, Hibbert couldn’t have been assigned a pseudo-safety role which lasted all of 2.2 seconds? James shot something horrific like 4/103 specifically against Hibbert since the 2012 Playoffs & Vogel didn’t seem to make similar leaps of coaching faith for the rest of the series, but I guess you’re right, Dr. Naismith.

    “ii) Yes he is. And clearly at that. He just struggled against Miami…which a lot of guys do.”

    I didn’t realize he averaged a whole FOUR ASSISTS and FOURTEEN POINTS on 44%… My mistake! His decision-making is atrocious. At best, he’s an indecisive, prime-era Derek Fisher.

    “iii) The team was 24-17 when he shot 15 or more shots. (58% winning % which is 1% LOWER than their season win %)”

    An entire percentile! Holy good god, nbk! Over half a season’s sample size, too. I guess that means you’re right!

    “Miami won the championship last season…..and struggled on the boards….in fact, they gave up more rebounds than any team in the league last season. Infact, the only playoff teams in 2011-12 who were worse on the glass than Miami were, Dallas/New York/Memphis”

    They played the Knicks and the Thunder and the dwarf Celtics, not exactly a pantheon of rebounding supremacy. Miami played better when they rebounded aggressively when they needed to, like in Game VII. In fact, that was the very evident point of my statement.

    I swear, you’re the SLAMonline equivalent of Gollum, man.

  • Conor

    I should have elaborated in the initial statement instead of later.

    His issues are mostly mental.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Again… the impetus is on Vogel to tell role players like Stephenson and Hill to allow George and West and Hibbert to create offence. Their roles are as post entrants/conduits and system jumpers/drives, but Vogel seemed content to allow them to dribble-heave multiple possessions, every game over the entire series. This time it truly cost them because Miami was given more defensive leeway, which they earned, in terms of aggression. This is also thanks to preparedness, which falls on THE COACHING STAFF.”

    - That isn’t what your comment was about. I don’t disagree with this.

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    “Hill seemed content to linger with the ball while Hibbert/West – effectively allowing Miami’s defence to configure around the the two bigs, who had often established post position for multiple seconds without any reward – waited for a terrible lob that played directly into Miami’s baseline traps which, again, would not have been possible if they had made concise decisions.”

    - That doesn’t make what you said relevant. That shows that he made mistakes. Starting Point Guards make mistakes.

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    “George took nine shots. Several of those were forced, end-of-shot-clock heaves which were only necessitated by Hill’s hesitancy to actually give him the ball in a good position, earlier in the clock. That is unacceptable and, once again, a mistake that should have been corrected by the Pacers’ coaching staff.”

    - Did you even watch the game? George wasn’t getting shots because he wasn’t getting open. The Heat switched LeBron onto him for the full game. And LeBron played up and tight on him. I don’t know if you expect the Pacers coaching staff to create an entirely new offense from scratch in a single day or what, but there is a reason George only took 9 shots compared to the 16 he averaged this series. And it has nothing to do with the Pacers system.

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    “”ii) Yes he is. And clearly at that. He just struggled against Miami…which a lot of guys do.”

    I didn’t realize he averaged a whole FOUR ASSISTS and FOURTEEN POINTS on 44%… My mistake! His decision-making is atrocious. At best, he’s an indecisive, prime-era Derek Fisher.”

    - Did you watch the Knicks series? Did you see the game Hill didn’t play? Actually, do you even watch the Pacers? Why would Hill average more points and assists? Do you know ANYTHING about their system or how they play? Or are you just looking at stats and then giving your utterly ignorant opinion about what you think it tells you?

    .”iii) The team was 24-17 when he shot 15 or more shots. (58% winning % which is 1% LOWER than their season win %)

    An entire percentile! Holy good god, nbk! Over half a season’s sample size, too. I guess that means you’re right!”

    - It just proves that what you said was completely ignorant.

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    Miami just beat the best rebounding team in the league while being out rebounded in every game but game 7. Immediately, just from the series you watched, (and just like last year) you can see that they aren’t “demons on the glass” like you so ignorantly pointed out.

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    I swear, you are an ignoramus.

  • Conor

    You are also a waste of my time. Succinctly…

    Hill is a backup point guard. He is a system player, like I said earlier, who is not particularly good at managing the Pacers’ system. The only other options are DJ Augustin & Lance Stephenson… it’s not because Hill’s ideal, it’s because Indiana has no better choice.

    He would average more points and assists if he didn’t make so many ridiculous mistakes like passing directly to the other team, multiple times, in the exact same manner. He also seems content to show the ball on layups, like an absolute moron. But I guess those are just acceptable, common mistakes for house league players not likely unlike like you.

    “Miami won the championship last season because they, collectively, rebounded like demons. James and Wade generate so much of their offence from there, it’s incredible.”

    They play in the EAST, they can turn it on whenever they want to with minimal repercussions.

    Use the brain that you believe you have.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, he is a good player as far as skill set.
    He can pass well, play defense well, shoot nicely…
    All those things change when he isn’t there mentally.

  • bike

    Greg Oden @goden

    I would like to play with BronBron next year! We would win win! My knee knee feels real good good!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lool if I’m a waste of time, then why did you write a 300 word response? .
    You watch one series and think you have a full scouting report, its cute. .
    Hill is ideal. The Pacers love him. He is not ideal to YOU. But He’s an elite defensive PG, he’s an elite shooter for a PG, and he manages the pace perfectly. He’s a starting PG in the NBA. And he’s exactly what Indiana wants. .
    And his being an NBA caliber starting PG is so obvious that San Antonio considered trading Tony Parker rather than trading him. .
    What conference Miami plays in has nothing to do with their rebounding numbers. They are a poor rebounding team. But that’s ok, because “good” rebounding for a team is an overrated focus. .
    Which again has been proven by the Spurs this season. Who stopped focusing on rebounding this season…..and improved as a team. Which I have posted proof of on this site numerous times. .
    Brain used.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Uhh, except he’s rarely ever out of a game mentally. This one series is not indicative of him as a player.

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    You know who turns the ball over the least on the Pacers? George Hill.

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    Of any player on the Pacers who played more than 12 minutes (Dominic McGuire played 12 minutes in one game this season, he didn’t turn the ball over in those 12 minutes) no player turned the ball over less than George Hill.

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    You know what else? No player on the Pacers touched the ball as often as Hill.
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    Him and David West were their most consistent player’s all season. Conor, just watched this one series.

  • LakeShow

    No. I couldn’t give a sh*t what connor watched, I said this months back.
    Look at his game logs all year.
    It’s pretty evident dude is very inconsistent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What is inconsistent? His scoring and assists? That’s all you are basing this on, isn’t it?

  • LakeShow

    fg%

  • LakeShow

    Are you really arguing GH is consistently a good to great player on a near nightly basis?
    I can tear that apart with game logs.

    What’s consistent? His TO to Assist percentage? That’s all you are basing this off, aren’t you?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no, i’m saying he is consistently exactly what Indiana asks him to be.
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    He doesn’t turn the ball over. He plays elite defense. And he’s a very good shooter at the PG position.

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    And he is definitely a starting caliber point guard.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    go ahead, use stats to tear apart the idea that George Hill is a consistent player.
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    go ahead. prove that you don’t understand what he’s asked to do on the Pacers.

  • playa

    George Hill is an elite shooter?Um what?! Please define elite then.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “he’s an elite shooter for a PG”

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    - He is 95th in the entire league in effective field goal %

    - His eFG% from 3 is 55.5% on 4.6 attempts per game

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    Look at his “Heat Map” —-> http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01/shooting/2013/

  • LakeShow

    Alright. If you really need me to show you… I guess I’ll stop work, stop eating my lunch and gather up some information for you. Ughhh…

    Now(obviously) you know way more than me, but if I may act as if I also have a brain with two hemisphere’s and cognitive thought for a moment…

    Lets just start off with his first 17 games of the year and his last 16.

    Side by side in order.
    FG% by game:

    33/50
    33/58
    41/33
    33/28
    58/54
    64/25
    33/37
    40/.091
    10/60
    71/50
    22/50
    18/33
    41/33
    33/60
    53/33
    64/25
    50/

    Consistent or inconsistent? Answer: Inconsistent

    He also doesn’t pass the ball at a high rate or set up his team mates as well as he should for a starting PG.

    Paul George should not be doing as much distributing as he does, but the team seems to trust him more than Hill despite the TO disparity.

    Luckily he is so good at TO/Assist ratio and defense, that he makes up for his inconsistency.

    Good, but inconsistent starting PG.

    I can provide more… if I must

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The teams offense doesn’t ask him to create. They don’t run pick and rolls often. They play at a slower tempo.

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    It’s hard to get a lot of assists when you are your teams 4th offensive option, in a system based on post ups. It’s not like someone else was getting more assists.

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    He doesn’t turn the ball over. Look at how consistent his turnover numbers are. Look how opposing PG’s do against Hill.
    .^ those things are much more relevant than shooting %.
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    Which by the way, looks like that for everyone.
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    You want me to put a side by side of Kobe Bryant’s shooting %’s up there?
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    You gonna call him an inconsistent player?
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    No? Didn’t think so.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    First 15 / Last 15 shooting %, Kobe Bryant.

    78/43
    50/28
    60/33
    50/0
    41/44
    55/40
    40/57
    63/35
    41/28
    50/44
    53/43
    55/31
    30/50
    54/52
    43/43

    Consistent or inconsistent? Answer: Inconsistent
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    Relevant or Irrelevant? Answer: Irrelevant.

  • LakeShow

    Not even close.
    Embarrassing you think it is.
    Don’t forget about the volume of shots, minutes played, and pressure KB faces compared to GH too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Why would I consider those things? You are calling George Hill inconsistent because of his shooting %. You are ignoring his role. His # of shot attempts. And every other variable there is in the game of basketball.
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    As inconsistent as George Hill is. Kobe Bryant is just as inconsistent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and i don’t understand why you had to stop all of those things. it took me less than 2 minutes to come up with that list for Kobe

  • LakeShow

    They don’t ask their point guard who has a great assist to TO ratio to create… Interesting. Maybe because he can’t very well…?

    What does being the 4th option and giving out assist have to do with each other? Nothing… since you already mentioned he touches the ball more than anyone.

    I get it. He plays defense. That’s great. It really is.

    What this team needs though, is a better creator and more consistent offensive player at the PG position.
    They have enough defense.

    I’m sorry your not going to convince me the team wants him to be inconsistent offensively.

    With all that said I like GH allot and think he is a very good and capable starting PG.

  • LakeShow

    I’m not quick like you.
    That’s why you post more than anyone ever on a comment board, cause your good at it.

    I don’t have all my advance stats websites at my finger tips.
    Sol good, I have a microwave. And no dead lines.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol this sounds fair.

  • LakeShow


    I think George Hill is best served at the two guard. He can guard the bigger guys just fine.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They don’t ask their point guard who has a great assist to TO ratio to create… Interesting. Maybe because he can’t very well…?

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    Uhm, no because they had a system in place and needed a point guard who could execute it. So they went and got George Hill. And I know you know this, you just aren’t thinking about it.

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    “What does being the 4th option and giving out assist have to do with each other? Nothing… since you already mentioned he touches the ball more than anyone”
    - 4th Option, meaning he is 4th on the priority list of players to get the ball with the opportunity to create a basket. Ever PG in the league who averages more assists than Hill, is a bigger part of their offense. By design. And Yeah, he touches the ball more than anyone, he’s the Point Guard. He sets up the offense. Then he gets the hell out of the way. Like he’s supposed to.

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    He isn’t inconsistent offensively. Having up and down shooting %’s when you are shooting 11 shots a game with half coming from 3 is completely normal. Infact, there isn’t a player in the league that would be considered “consistent” given the shots that Hill gets.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean that’s your opinion. i know he struggles against the bigger 2′s, so i personally would not be comfortable with him being my primary off-guard. No matter what team it is.

  • LakeShow

    Just from what i’ve seen of him on D-Wade and Kobe. The two biggest two guards in the L… He does more than fine.

  • LakeShow

    Nice opinions yourself.

    Just read what I first wrote and realize your a freak.

    “I almost agree with you on GH… He is so damn inconsistent.
    He has the skillset. He just doesn’t have the mindset right now.”

    See the “almost”?

    That means that I don’t agree that he isn’t a starting PG in the L.

    Then I called him out for being inconsistent, showed you how he is inconsistent. (His FG% lines are Jamaal Crawford-esque.)

    I get your point though.
    He is a very good player for Indy. They don’t need much more out of a PG.
    He just needs to improve on a few things that are mostly mental.

    Agree to disagree **Walks away

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah you are right. I was grouping what you were saying with what Conor said. My bad man.

  • LakeShow

    The only thing I think you and I were in disagreement over was consistency, and at first I thought he was very inconsistent, but he isn’t quite as bad as I thought.

    He just needs to tweak his game if he wants to truly succeed as a point guard. Like I said though, I see your point as to why he is good for Indy. He is.
    He’d be good for any team, but not as a starting PG in all cases. For Indy though, no problem.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Have you ever watched him defend a bigger player for a long stretch? I’m not saying he’s bad, actually he’s still good, but he’s not like he is on PG’s. he’s goes from Elite to Good.
    .
    I guess the question is, do you feel like what he gains offensively outweighs what he loses defensively?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah that’s pretty much it. Although I don’t thin Hill needs to improve that much to succeed. Indiana just needs a reliable secondary scorer, and some depth. They can succeed with Hill starting for them, assuming that happens.

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