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Thursday, July 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am  |  141 responses

Kobe Bryant Wants to Teach Dwight Howard How to Win Titles


Unlike the Los Angeles Lakers’ front-office, which went out of its way to beg Dwight Howard to return, Kobe Bryant took a typically hard-line approach with the free agent superstar center. Bryant reportedly told Howard that he can teach him how to reach the promised land, but that he won’t let up on him. Per NBA.com and Yahoo! Sports: “Bryant, according to a source, pointed out that while the Rockets brought Hall of Fame center Hakeem Olajuwon with them to their meeting with Howard Sunday night, and that Yao Ming made a pitch on Houston’s behalf via Skype, ‘there wasn’t a room big enough’ to hold all of the great players who had worn the Lakers’ uniform. [...] ‘You need to learn how it’s done first, and I can teach you here,’ Bryant told Howard during the Lakers’ presentation, witnesses in the room said. Bryant didn’t come to Howard’s recruitment meeting in Beverly Hills to appease him, but to challenge Howard to stay and embrace the burden of the franchise’s culture and embrace Bryant’s demanding disposition. Bryant invoked Michael Jordan’s hard-driving ways as his blueprint, and how it pushed the Chicago Bulls to six titles. Bryant, a five-time NBA champion, insisted he wouldn’t retreat in pushing Howard every day, that as much as the Lakers needed Howard, Howard needed Bryant and the Lakers, too. ‘You have to learn how it’s done,’ Bryant told Howard, witnesses described. ‘I know how to do it and I’ve learned from the best – players who have won multiple times over and over. Instead of trying to do things your way, just listen and learn and tweak it, so it fits you,’ Bryant told him. Howard has retreated to Colorado for a few days, surrounded by representatives, to make a decision on his future. The Lakers are fighting frontrunner Houston, Dallas, Atlanta and Golden State to sign him.”

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  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah, not sure that was what Dwight wanted to hear. Don’t know if Kobe can teach him much. What did he teach him this past season? Not a good idea to play with an aging superstar when a young team like Houston is out there. Telling him to just sit, watch and listen instead of doing things his way probably wasn’t the best way to go. Man up, Dwight. Go to Houston and don’t get sensitive about people who call you a punk for leaving LA.

  • MUBWAR

    so dwight is about to sign with Harden i guess, i mean houston. this type of action should not be used when addressing a child(howard) and kobe should know this by now.

  • Mike From Spain

    easy, you get a dominant big to sign for your team…

  • Dagger

    While I agree with you, I do love this aspect of Kobe’s personality. Rather than fall over himself to appease Howard, he challenged Howard honestly and directly. I respect that.

  • Matisse

    I respect it, but this type of approach to things can be a bit overbearing. He shouldn’t be groveling to Dwight. Kobe is an established champion but he is these quotes are coming across as patronizing.

  • OfftheWall87

    I respect his honesty. But what he’s honest about is what Dwight probably isn’t comfortable with. He wants to be the guy whether he’s ready for it or not. Kobe’s not going to let go of that lead role until he’s done playing. I can’t see Howard waiting 2 or 3 more years for the Lakers to be his team and have things done his way. Their personalities clash. Kobe’s demanding way of leadership didn’t work this past season with Dwight. I don’t see how or why Dwight would sign on for more of it. Not when he can laugh and joke with Harden in Houston and play for McHale. He could play there and learn from Hakeem Olaujuwon who knows a few things about winning a championship with a team that has a superstar center. Or stay in LA and play with Kobe as he shoots his way to retirement and play for a coach he never wanted to play for.

  • Jay Cutler

    That’s just Kobe’s new shtick. The grumpy old man persona. He used to have the hip-hop Kobe persona. Then the MJ tongue out persona. Then it was the me against the world persona. Then the big balls dance persona. Then it was the beaver face persona (glad to see he retired that). Now he does the uncensored, crotchety Kobe persona.

  • robb

    yeah Dwight, leave LA, teams like the Lakers or the Celtics are too big for you. Houston suits you better, you’re a small man at heart and it’s OK, do what makes you happy.

  • roscoe

    winner’s attitudes differ from loser’s attitudes.

  • Dagger

    Could not agree more. I’d be shocked if Howard doesn’t go to Houston, but then I was shocked when he signed that ridiculous one-year extension last year. Who knows with this guy?

  • Dagger

    True, and you also have to wonder who leaked this quote, and why.

  • berkamore

    Yeah, that’s a great selling point. Especially coming from a guy who NEVER listened to anybody to a guy who wants to have his own team. Oh, and the Lakers still have a coach who never even took a team to the Finals. (Dwight has). Yeah, that will work.

    Kobe is funny. Here’s a guy who always thought he knew it all when he was younger, never listened to anybody (Read PJ’s book about the 2004 season) and now that he’s older he’s trying to sell his experience. Well, the youngsters will do to him exactly what he did to his elders:” Yeah, you have experience and everything but I don’t really care and want to do my own thing.”

    Dwight is probably gone. He is surely thinkiing: “Do I want to be around this guy for the next five years or so? I don’t think so.” LOL.

  • danpowers

    thats simple: just always score more points than your opponents

  • The Seed

    Kobe is the best player of his generation as voted by magazines, sports shows and others. Kobe has five rings and nobody is getting to that ever again. Period. Also Kobe did listen to others, just certain people, go research a little and learn about Kobe.. Also you don’t win five rings, by yourself, so he listened and realize this. If Howard could turn to a killer on the court, nobody should be able to stop him. Howard is no killer, right now he is a tall clown.

  • OfftheWall87

    I don’t know what to expect. But Houston is his best option to me.

  • Blarmac

    Better than appeasing him, Kobe doesn’t want to play with some kid his last two seasons.

  • OfftheWall87

    Pretty stupid to say no one will win 5 rings again. In fact, Duncan almost got it done this season. And LeBron is just 3 away and is a more unstoppable force than Kobe ever was individually. Wade is 2 away. One of the best draft classes ever is coming in next season. There’s way too much basketball to be played to sit here and say no player will win 5 championships again. And just for fun, since you’re the most blatantly biased Kobe/Lakers dude here…I have to say it…Kobe had great moments with Shaq, but those were Shaq’s teams. Without Gasol, Kobe would be at 3 championships and he’d be seen as a sidekick and nothing else. Had to do it. Now I’ll wait for the ridiculous response from you. Have at it.

  • OfftheWall87

    Dwight doesn’t want to play with an old shot happy superstar for the next two seasons.

  • playa

    As he should, no ass kissing from Kob at least.

  • kobesucks

    lol kobe a career 40% shooter in the finals is gonna teach someone how to win

  • thebossman15

    “shoots his way into retirement” are you an undercover bill simmons? your always trying to demean kobe its funny, obvious lebron fan. If you knew anything about back surgery you would know that to come back as quickly as howard did is not easy, the guy was supposed to come back in march. The best situation for him would be too stay around a group of winners especially the most winning player in the league in this era(kobe) let alone one of the most winning organizations. Its not always about having fun like he would in Houston, unless he cares nothing about his legacy

    I dont even like howard but i know hes a much more effective player than he showed most of last year. And as for you questioning whether “kobe cant teach him much” how can you say that? clearly howard is on record for being the most sensitive and mentally weak player in the game, hes probably taught howard many things, some of which howard is probably incapable of putting too use. Their sure as hell is no more than one other place where he can learn too win maybe just as well as he could in l.a and thats in San Antonio…pretty sure thats not an option though

  • Conor

    Still honeymooning after James played well for three games total of the Finals, eh?

  • Conor

    You mean the shot-happy superstar who averaged more assists than at any point he had during his prior championship runs? Well done, Naismith.

  • spit hot fiyah

    you need to tell the bobcats about this strategy, they might actually not know about it

  • Conor

    *”…this past season?…”

  • robb

    A career 40% shooter with 5 rings can teach a thing or two about winning to a ring less 50% ft shooter cry baby

  • playa

    Well if you believe that Kobe was a “sidekick” in a real meaning of this word for the whole time, or he would be post shaq era without gassy then,,,,,there’s no hope for you, there just isn’t.2001 Kobe and forward was just too great player to be a classic sidekick no matter what his teams records would look like.You’re waiting for ridicoulus response from the seed yet you sounds at least equally ridicoulus yourself.And for the record saying LeBron is just 3 away ,you probably fully believe he will be in the finals for the rest of his prime or even whole career, or he will claim the 5th peat don’t you?

  • thebossman15

    the 8th peat actually lmao..these lebron riders bro dont bother..he was probably one of the dudes burning his jersey just 2 years ago

  • fruizm

    Haha which one was the beaver face persona?

  • thebossman15

    lmaooo lebron more of an unstoppable force than kobe.. you are so clueless man..lebron is a guy whos pretty good at everything..nothing about his game stands out unless you consider athleticism..tell me one thing you would go to lebron to learn that you couldnt have someone else currently in the league teach you? he doesnt do one specific thing better than anyone else and thats a fact

  • kobesucks

    kobe was a sidekick plain and simple

    shaq outplayed kobe every single year and kobes percentages were below average in the playoffs and finals

    shaqs numbers were better, percentages were better, leadership was better

    and he was the unanimous finals mvp every year

  • kobesucks

    kobes a great player but severely overrated

    he has a false sense of being one of the top 5 players ever when he’s not close to it

    top 10? yes

  • thebossman15

    whos your favorite player right now

  • OfftheWall87

    Still sensitive about the Lakers not being in the Finals since 2010, eh?

  • OfftheWall87

    Can almost predict exactly what Kobe/Lakers fanantics are going to say. If you want to do the LeBron/Kobe comparison, we can. What can Kobe teach? Even at his best, he was more of a scorer than anything. He was great defensively, but he was a lethal scorer. That comment about LeBron just being pretty good at everything is incredibly stupid. He’s a great rebounder. Great passer. Great defender both on the ball and off the ball. Great scorer. He averaged 30 a game one season with a shaky jumpshot that he wasn’t confident in at all. You sound dumb saying he doesn’t do one thing better than anyone else. What does Kobe do better than anyone else? Durant and Melo are now better scorers. And so many players are better defenders.

  • OfftheWall87

    So hyped up about this you can’t spell? Yeah, Kobe was too great to be a sidekick which is why he decided to shoot his team out of the 2004 Finals. LeBron is 3 championships away. Doesn’t matter where he plays, it’s easy to see him being in at least 3 more Finals in the next 5 or 6 years. What you are probably so upset about is you know that the days of the Lakers winning championships in the Kobe era are over especially if Dwight signs elsewhere.

  • OfftheWall87

    The same shot happy superstar who decided it was better to keep running the offense through him even when it was obvious that the team’s biggest advantage was in the post with Bynum and Gasol.

  • OfftheWall87

    You’re so sensitive over Kobe. My favorite player is actually Derrick Rose. The best situation for Dwight is to leave LA with its expectations and the attention that he’s not ready for. And he doesn’t have to be ready for it. No shame in leaving. Play in Houston with a younger and better cast around him with Harden and Parsons. Learn post play from McHale and Olaujuwon. Be the superstar he can’t be playing behind Kobe.

  • Dagger

    Uh, Lebron is probably the best wing player in NBA history at getting to the rim. Maybe the best player ever in transition. The best perimeter defender in the league. Likely its best scorer. Its best passer who doesn’t play point . . . I could go on. Try harder.

  • RKJ92

    He never said one thing about LeBron.. why are you so butt-hurt about what he’s saying? everything he said is true too, Kobe didn’t teach him anything.. he expected him to learn the hard way, and Dwight didn’t learn because Kobe tried to play the tough love role with him thinking it would make him a stronger person, and it didn’t work at all.. it’s clear your very biased, and it ruins peoples opinion of your comments because of that. you cannot be taken seriously when you preach Kobe and the Laker organization as if they were Gods.. you need to stop and think logically if what your saying makes sense at all then contribute to a persons comment next time. Thank you.

  • thebossman15

    are u really going to take in transition into consideration cuz if so i ll honestly give u that because thats all he does better than everyone else to make up for his inability to create for himself..first dude down the court haulin ass tryna get his points one way or another so i ll give u that even though ive never seen someone use that in an argument..best perimeter defender though? are u high..tony allen,kawhi leonard are the best perimeter defenders get outta here with that nonsense..likely its best scorer, in what planet? the virtual gaming world? i could go on. Try harder

  • OfftheWall87

    …Transition is a part of the game, why shouldn’t we take it into consideration? I can’t believe you just said that LeBron James is unable to create for himself. That’s like saying Jordan couldn’t get to the rim or Magic Johnson couldn’t pass. Playing against the Magic in the 09 Conference Finals, while his teammates did nothing, all he could do was create for himself. And he averaged 39 points. What do you think he was doing, just finishing plays that were created for him by his teammates? That comment pretty much makes it pretty easy to not take you seriously at all. Who has a career average of 27, 7 and 7 but can’t create for themselves? Get out of here dude.

  • thebossman15

    umm lets look at your third sentence and the fact that you just basically answered my question u moron. He was the best scorer this era has ever seen with the best footwork to go with it. He could teach a player how to become a prolific scorer..how too read defenses etc. In terms of that lebron comment you made, if u wanted too learn how to rebound i know u would not consider going to lebron, u would consider z-bo,duncan,even varejao..guys who arent even athletic and could teach u how to position urself and the ins/outs, chris paul/rondo for passing..durant and melo are now better scorers statistically, and thats cuz they are just younger..in all 3 of their primes kobe is the better scorer and you know that you clown, how can you even argue that smh

  • thebossman15

    the dude is the biggest troll and everywhere i go is always trying to bash kobe, its fuckin annoying..the lakers arent even my favorite team im just an honest person and know that the lakers next to the celtics are the most winning franchises..why are u so butthurt? i wasnt talking to you was i? did what i say offend you, no need to be watching me zimmerman

  • Lloyd
  • OfftheWall87

    Dwight Howard is a center…what is Kobe going to teach him about scoring like a shooting guard? Do you think before you type? If Kobe has a way of reading defenses, he sure has a funny way of showing it. Who reads a defense and decides time after time to shoot when teammates are open? Durant and Melo are easily better scorers than Kobe. Durant led the league in scoring 3 straight seasons. Melo did this past season. Kobe hasn’t won a scoring title since 2007 and he’s only won it twice in his entire career. Kobe, in his prime, wasn’t 6’11 like Durant is. He didn’t have Durant’s range. He’s a 84% career FT shooter…Durant is at 88% for his career right now and he just shot 91% from the FT line this past season. And Kobe wasn’t as strong as Melo is and couldn’t bully people in the post like Melo can. He also couldn’t get his shot off as quickly as Melo.

  • Guest

    You just loss all credibility in discussing anything related to basketball. That`s enough out of you.

  • OfftheWall87

    Who even mentioned the most winning franchises? And what does that have to do with anything at all? And mentioning Zimmeran? What kind of drug are you on? Basically, what in the world is wrong with you?

  • Lloyd

    If you don’t share the equal load of domination on a team, you’re a sidekick no matter how good you are (i.e. DWade is Lebron’s sidekick now). The only two superstars who are maybe equally important to a team winning right now are KD and Westbrook.

    Kobe was 2nd fiddle to Shaq’s 1st on those championship teams. He couldn’t stand it, Shaq couldn’t stand that he couldn’t stand it, tensions rose, one of them had to leave. Kobe could’ve had 7 rings by now if he knew how to swallow his pride to win championships. He’s not teaching Howard anything, and there’s no immediate future with the Lakers so reason for Dwight to stay. I’d rather be on a young team with playoff potential in the future.

    And Lebron will get his. He’s the most unstoppable individual force in basketball right now. Give him a team that’s tailored to him like the Heat right now, and he has a shot at a championship every year. Very possible he can get 5.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    He’s obviously all over the place with his comments. Let him have his moment lol he came at you and didn’t even have a legit argument against you.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Hey hey hey I was with you until you said that lol low blow man can’t let you beat up on a fellow Laker fan

  • OfftheWall87

    He asked for it. Sometimes you have to go with the knockout punch early.

  • Lloyd

    I’d say skill wise Kobe is better than Durant and Melo ever were. Dude just had so many moves to beat defenders. One on one he’s better than both those guys. Durant’s developing though, but Melo is set in his ways. Both those guys have physical advantages over Kobe, but in terms of pure skill, footwork, and arsenal of moves, I’m going with Kobe. And he has historically been more of a clutch scorer than Melo and Durant too.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    He’s obviously got his opinion (whatever the f*ck it is) so I’d just let it go. You can’t have a rational convo with irrational people. He would’ve been better off attacking your argument first rather than you as a person. Ad hominem fallacies never pan out well.

  • Brandan E

    Kobe knows ho to do it. the man went to the finals 7 times!!! he can teach dwight and learn from him so when he is the man he fall back on what he learned and lead a team. he cant do what he did aginst the spurs last year in the playoffs in gm4 and get kicked out cause of frustration. u cant do that.
    kobe will lead him. pippen learned from jordan. magic learned from kareem.
    plus lakers have the better players surrounding dwight. if u think the rockets have the better players ur joking ur self.

  • eZ

    Kobe should’ve stood beside Dwight and tell him how THEY could win championships together (that’s how a real TEAM does it anyway). Instead he decided to go all Master/Apprentice on him…..’Learn much..you have to..young padawan’…Should be such a turn off to a man who is 9 years removed from his rookie season….

  • OfftheWall87

    He’s more skilled, but it’s no longer as easy for him as it is for Durant and Melo, especially KD. Durant takes less shots for the same amount of points. He can shoot over almost any defender. Melo is stronger than almost any defender not named LeBron. Plus, his release on his shot is as fast as anyone’s in the league.

  • Dagger

    Did you really just say that Lebron can’t create his own shot? Sorry, I stopped reading there. Hilarious.

  • OfftheWall87

    Jordan and Pippen actually learned together from Phil. Shaq learned from Phil, Kobe rebelled against him the first time around even though they won. Phil wanted him to play more like Scottie, but he wouldn’t. And Harden and Parsons compared to 39 year old Nash, unhappy and disrespected Gasol, aging stuck in his ways Kobe? Houston is the better pick.

  • Lloyd

    Yea well that’s just age. Overall (so far), Kobe’s been more skilled all around scoring. Not efficiency, skill. And clutch. Don’t forget clutch.

  • Dagger

    As far as skill is concerned, Kobe is up there with the best ever. But I’ve always been a bigger fan of raw production, and a big part of production is efficiency. That’s where Kobe’s mindset has sometimes undermined his skillset.

  • OfftheWall87

    At his best after Shaq left, he had some of the best skills offensively that I’ve ever seen. But if Durant keeps on improving, especially if he gets some kind of shot in the post with his length, I’d say he has a chance to be up there as the best scorer in the history of the league. Kobe’s hit a lot of clutch shots but I think that gets overstated at times. Durant has a chance to surpass him with that. He’s already on his way. Not in his prime yet. I can’t overlook field goal percentage. I enjoy seeing guys get it done taking great shots and making more than they miss.

  • Lloyd

    I agree, but when comparing scorers, I’m looking at capability, output, then efficiency. Capability, Kobe was better than these guys have gottent to at this point, output is about equal, efficiency Durant takes it. I’d say overall Melo is about just as efficient as Kobe.

  • Lloyd

    I don’t think Durant will ever be able to master the footwork and arsenal of moves that Kobe has. He doesn’t need to since he doesn’t have to worry about getting shots over defenders, but this made Kobe’s scoring ability far more impressive to me.

    Depends on what your definition of “best scorer in the history of the league” is. Quantity wise, don’t know if he’s catching Kareem. Don’t think anyone ever will. Skill wise, I still put Kobe over him (right now). Efficiency wise, Lebron’s career field goal percentage is going to be bananas. I think you’ll be able to give Durant the title of most efficient/productive mass jump shooter when it’s all said and done though.

    Efficiency is definitely important, but give me a timely shot over an overall efficient performance any day. Kobe took and made huge shots, not just buzzer beaters/game winners, but timely shots to swing momentum or dagger opponents right in the heart. Durant has had a couple of those moments, but Kobe has been the clutch performer of this generation.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    To be specific, Lebron is the best in the world at being the hands down best player in the world.

    I’d go to Lebron if I needed advice on being my team’s primary scorer, facilitator, rebounder, perimeter defender, low post defender, shot blocker and anything else that’s relevant to basketball.

    Sure, you could ask Dream how to shake, and Ray Ray how to shoot, and AI how to dribble, and Stockton how to pass, and Kobe how to consistently alienate his dominant big men…or I could ask Lebron how to be quite possibly the best all-around player this game has ever seen.

  • Evan Boland

    Not true, at all. They were a 1-2 punch. Sidekick lmao. Kobe’s highlights came in the western conference rounds where the other teams also had capable big men. Shaq was Finals MVP because he was so much bigger than all the centers he played against in the Finals. Kobe could have been MVP and they still would of one. Go watch the playoffs of their threepeat, and tell me Kobe was a sidekick.

  • Evan Boland

    Hahaha. Best wing player at getting to the rim? No man.. MJ > Kobe > Lebron.

  • Evan Boland

    He’s not exceptional at it. Like Kobe, or MJ.

  • Evan Boland

    Take out transition and semi-tran and who would you want in a 1-1 scenario to win the game? Who get’s the Iso? ‘Cause I certainly take MJ, Kobe, Prime Paul Pierce, D-Wade and ‘Melo over LeBron. Still, he is way better than most those players, and still a phenomenal 1 on 1 player, but some guy’s do it better.

  • Evan Boland

    He can teach footwork. He is the best craftman in NBA history. A poke left, a head fake, jab step, spin, up and under, step back, he has ALL the moves. Every one. Not even MJ had that. He can teach work ethic and preparation. Just don’t go to him for leadership or team work lol

  • Evan Boland

    Durant stated that he tries to shoot as efficiently as possible, doesn’t take shots after quarters, Kobe chucks ‘em up, that’s for sure, but its ’cause the dude takes SO many wild end of shotclock situations. Which is partially his fault, but in the end it doesn’t effect the outcome of the game. He still get’s it done. In his prime, he’s a better player than ‘Melo or Durant. Not even that close. He was arguably the second best player last season, though I’d give him third.

  • OfftheWall87

    …MJ isn’t playing anymore. I’d rather have the guy who can take over a game from start to finish without needing to score 30 than guys who absolutely have to score in order to have an impact on the game. If I have that guy, I don’t have to worry about 1 on 1 isolation plays to win the game even though that’s a part of LeBron’s game now.

  • Evan Boland

    People need to turn to stats to claim James superiority at certain elements of the game, anybody that tells me Lebron doesn’t have a problem with pressure isn’t watching what I watched against Dallas and SA.

  • Evan Boland

    You mean when they won both Finals? And Bynum was on one leg? Or when Bynum was suspended?

  • Evan Boland

    Dwight isn’t a man.

  • OfftheWall87

    No one’s discussing who the better player is in their prime. The discussion was about scoring. Kobe’s top 10 all-time as an individual player and scorer. But Durant is going to be top 5 in the scoring department if he keeps going on the track he’s on. He had 3 straight scoring titles before this past season and will most likely get more. He’s only 24.

  • OfftheWall87

    No one needs to turn to stats. All we need to do is watch the games. Dallas was two seasons ago, so there’s really no need to bring it up now. The past two postseasons, he has shown more often than not that he’s not afraid of pressure. Game 6 in Boston (45,15, and 5). Game 4 in Indiana (40, 18 and 9). The entire Finals against the Thunder (27, 10 and 7). Game 6 and 7 against the Spurs this past season. And even in Cleveland, he came through more often than he didn’t. It’s just that the mistakes were shown more than the successes. In fact, in his first playoff game in his career, he hit a game-winning layup against the Wizards and had a triple double. I could ask you or anyone else to name the times he hasn’t come through and you’d run out of examples pretty quick. I could give more examples of when he did come through. All of this comes from Jordan and people comparing players to him when those players have never talked about wanting to be him. And even Jordan didn’t make every shot he took in crunch time.

  • OfftheWall87

    Easy to say that on a website. Try to drive to the basket with him waiting, stand under the basket and try to keep him from dunking on you or challenge him to an arm wrestling contest…and then get back to me about how much of a man he is. Slightly immature man? Yes. But he’s a man.

  • robb

    Good answer. Unfortunately Dwight can’t learn sh*t. He’s too busy being a full time clown. He will regret it when he hits 30.

  • OfftheWall87

    He’s exceptional at making the best play whether it’s a shot or pass to an open teammate. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe or MJ.

  • OfftheWall87

    Neither Kobe or MJ were as unstoppable at getting to the rim like LeBron. Neither were as fast or strong as Bron is. That’s the part of the game that gets talked about more than anything else besides his passing maybe. His ability to bully his way to the basket.

  • RedRum

    yeap, Kobster sealed it. With all that great talk, there is no bleaping way Howard is coming back!!!

  • OfftheWall87

    If you’re the 2 in a 1-2 punch, you’re a sidekick. He was a great sidekick, but that’s what he was. It’s either that or you’d have to believe that they were equally responsible for the success they had and that wasn’t the case. Shaq was all-time dominant. Shaq had plenty of highlights against those dominant big men in the Conference Finals as well so let’s not act like he was taking a break before the Finals.

  • OfftheWall87

    I mean as soon as Bynum turned into the 2nd best center in the league. At that point, it was smarter for them to play from the inside out. And even when he was out, still play through Gasol who was the most skilled big man in the league. It would have been better off for Kobe as he got older to let go of some of the burden offensively and play off those two guys. He exhausted himself when he didn’t have to. Even with them winning in 2009 and 2010, it would have been better for them to run the offense through Gasol and Bynum.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Men are severely overrated.

  • playa

    C’mon man, MJ was for sure faster than lebron, stop drinking lebronade dude,he didn’t have outstanding dribble , there was 1-2 bounces and he was GONE,Pre baseball Mike was a LIGHTNING.

  • OfftheWall87

    Nah, he wasn’t. Even people who don’t have many positive things to say about him say that he is freakishly athletic for how big he is. He can outrun most wide receivers, cornerbacks and running backs in the NFL. He runs a 4.3 40. End to end, there’s probably not a player in the league faster than he is.

  • playa

    Even with them winning in 2009 and 2010, it would have been better for them to run the offense through Gasol and Bynum….

    you just doesnt make any sense man, you play through your best player,not through guy who has highest fg percentage…your ideas are priceless and they are getting better by the minute i must admit.By your logic 91 to 93 bulls teams should have played through horace grant,

  • OfftheWall87

    “You just doesn’t make any sense man”. Really?

    No, you play through the players who have the biggest advantage. When you have two 7 footers who are highly skilled, you use them. Especially in a league without a lot of traditional big men. You just compared Horace Grant to Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum…Go sit down.

  • Tuomas Uotila

    Yeah. Dwight don’t do winning, so that pitch is a no-go. It always baffles me how some big-time athletes would achieve everything they wanted if they had even an ounce of the humility and self-reflection of many so-called everyday people.

  • OfftheWall87

    Not about humility or self-reflection. And athletes are everyday people. They’re just paid a ton of money for their skills and talents because society deems them to be a different breed of people…which they aren’t. And they also bring in a lot of money for the organizations and league they play for. What this is about is simple. Kobe has been known for wanting to win his way whether it’s for the good of the team or not. Dwight also wants to win his way. Their ways are different. So we’ll see what Dwight decides. But he does want to win.

  • Tuomas Uotila

    I’m sorry, did you try to make an argument of some sort? Because nothing you wrote negates mine.

    And just to save time: this is coming from a Detroit fan who could care less about what happens to Kobe, but who appreciates effort.

  • OfftheWall87

    You mentioned humility and self-reflection…exactly what does that have to do with Dwight choosing a team he wants to play for or Kobe’s advice to him? If you think that one of them lacks those two qualities, what I said negates what you said.

  • OfftheWall87

    You also said “Dwight don’t do winning”. I addressed that directly.

  • Tuomas Uotila

    Well, if we’re generous: at least since 2009-10… when has he? This would actually require source material, because it’s a soap opera from then on. And yes, if Howard would have dedicated himself to just play, improve, adjust and not whine his behind off, we wouldn’t even be having this whole conversation in the first place. This is not up for debate, I’m afraid.

    Sense of entitlement is a mofo.

  • playa

    Ok im done, lebron’s the fastest guy in the league now, hour later you will be saying he’s the fastest man alive. and tomorrow morning he will be the fastest human being in the history of mankind,you’re taking it TO THE WHOLE ANOTHER LEVEL man.He’s freakishly athletic cause he’s very fast for his size&physique, not because he’s fastest guy ever,jeeeez……

  • OfftheWall87

    You’re a flatout moron.

  • OfftheWall87

    He led the league in rebounding this past season with a bad back. He played with a bad back before surgery in 2011-2012 and was carrying the Magic to a good seed in the playoffs before he couldn’t do it anymore and had to stop playing. Just because a team isn’t winning games doesn’t mean a player isn’t trying to win. He asked for Van Gundy to be fired. He used the power that the organization gave to him. He handled some of it poorly but the Magic also handled it poorly. He got traded to the Lakers. The Lakers hired a coach that no one wanted besides one of their owners with a system that benefited no one at all. He, like so many other people, wanted Phil Jackson and figured that’s who was going to get hired. He didn’t like playing for D’Antoni but never said a word about it which was a change. He’s now a free agent. He’s going to decide where he wants to play. No harm done to anyone. Obviously, this is up for debate.

  • MackAtttack

    As much as I don’t want to believe D12 is a drama queen and softer than he appears, Kobe probably doesn’t think Dwight is tough enough mentally to win the NBA championship. I think Dwight had a decent year considering his injury recovery and what-not, but the team as a whole ultimately just had too much to overcame. Honestly though, if Dwight wants to be the best or most successful Center in the NBA, he needs to learn how to make free-throws.

  • Sardo Numspa

    I agree totally. LBJ is not the best in the L at anything.. and hadn’t Ray ray made that shot… sigh

  • Drig

    Phil and Shaq also didn’t want Kobe to take up a bigger role in the team and wanted to continue like the first championship.

  • Sardo Numspa

    haha… under 18′s shouldn’t be allowed to post!
    Get a life tool. Lebron to the rim… wha??? transition??? wha… SCORER…. gimme a break.
    Sigh… I understand we all want to be witness… we all want to say we saw the best ever… I saw it with Kobe after Michael… and hey, I get it. Lebron is BORING to watch and his tech is UGLY.

  • Sardo Numspa

    Michael was 10 times faster/meaner/better than Lebron even dreams about

  • Drig

    Durant and Melo are better scorers than this Kobe or a prime Kobe?

    Because Prime Kobe was quicker, had much better handles, had more range, could get hot in a hurry ( since we’re talking about scorers ), could post up his matchups and could make tough shots if the D collapsed on him.

    And he could do ALL of it better than Melo. He can’t bully his way to the rim but he can use his footwork to get a 5-ft jumpshot which is/was money for Kobe. Esp. if he had a 1-on-1.

    Durant is IMO a more balanced 6’11 Kobe. But he ain’t better than Kobe in his prime. Not yet. And that;s not a slight to him either since he’s not in his prime yet either.

  • kobesucks

    i watched them live lol

    kobe was great against the spurs but thats about it

    he shot 41% against the kings and Shaq averaged more points as well

    he was average against the blazers in 00

    and shaq still had better numbers lol with the exception of the 01 WCF

  • kobesucks

    Vince Carter hasn’t changed since he was up here

  • grgeblck

    DH12 is once again, wasting everyone’s time.

  • shutup

    Yeah, because freethrows stopped Shaq from being the best center in the league…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What happened against San Antonio?

  • pposse

    4.3 40 is world class speed, gotta see that to believe it

  • OfftheWall87

    Get that from a Gatorade commercial?

  • OfftheWall87

    He’s pretty close. Remember reading a few years ago about him being timed at 4.3. Can’t find it now though. But I did find this…Quote from dude who coached Larry Fitzgerald and Antonio Gates: “From my perspective, the best athletes in the world play in the NBA. Look at what (Antonio) Gates did. He was a pretty good basketball player athletically, but LeBron’s world class”…”Even if he wasn’t a 4.4 4.5 speed guy – and I’m not so certain he wouldn’t be that – he would pose absolutely unwinnable matchups out there”. Dude who played in the NFL for 11 years and was a defensive coordinator on LeBron’s high school team: “I’ve been around a lot of great receivers…I tell people that I rate my top receivers – coaching, playing or watching – as James Lofton, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent and LeBron James”

  • OfftheWall87

    Durant and Melo are better scorers now. Melo just slightly. Durant has a chance to be all-time great with it though. He’s just 24. Has at least 2 or 3 seasons before he’s playing at his highest level.

  • OfftheWall87

    You say under 18′s shouldn’t be allowed to post and then you type a bunch of gibberish that sounds like a 13 year old thought of it.

  • OfftheWall87

    Just forgot about the 3 point shot that LeBron made before that, right?

  • Drig

    Depends on how Kobe comes back and the system NYK is gonna use.

    If they push Melo back to the perimeter and play Bargs as a stretch 4, Kobe’s gonna be the better scorer for their team since Kobe’s a much better perimeter shooter.

    That’s worth nothing if Kobe doesn’t recover well though.

    Durant has a chance to be an all-time great with it. Just like Kobe, right? Or are you saying Kobe ain’t a top 5 scorer all time, even if you heavily favor efficiency?? Remember, Kobe’s the ONE guy so far who’s a top 10 player all-time who’s done most of his damage as a scorer from the perimeter.

    Durant has a chance of becoming better than Kobe at it. But his handles, his ability to get hot and his range need to improve.

  • troy

    He may have honed those skills, but you have to be pretty young if you don’t realize where he got his pump fake and jab step. That’s all MJ. Kobe patterned his ENTIRE game after that man. You’re too young for this discussion. Those of us that grew up watching Jordan have seen Kobe before he even entered the league. Go watch footage before you post about moves.

  • The Seed

    Dumb statement. Without Kareem or Worthy goes for Magic, without McHale or Parrish goes for Bird, without Pippen, Grant or Rodman goes for Bird.

    Now lets get to your unstoppable force, Lebron, without Chamlbers or Miller he does not win, without Battier or Ray Allen or Bosh goes for Lebron too.

    Neat how Kobe needs folks, but Lebron does not. LOL go research Kobe numbers, they were very similar to Shaqs after the first ring. Also Pop has stated repeatedly the West Finals was the NBA Finals and Kobe showed up with Shaq didn’t at times against Duncan. Go learn.

  • OfftheWall87

    …He got to the Finals with Larry Hughes, Daniel Gibson, Donyell Marshall, Eric Snow and Ilgauskas…and he was 22. Never got bounced in the first round. Kobe without Shaq missed the playoffs and got eliminated in the first round…once when he had a 3-1 lead.

  • OfftheWall87

    You already know what the Knicks are going to do. Melo and JR Smith are going to dribble and shoot. Occasionally, they’ll pass to shooters or maybe throw an alley oop to Tyson Chandler. But it will be a lot of shooting.

    I’m saying Kobe’s a top 5 all time as a scorer, but Durant has the potential and time to be in that group with him. And if he continues being as efficient as he is, he’ll deserve to be higher on that list than Bryant.

  • playa

    Stop calling me names B*tch,your opinion doesnt hold more sway than mine just because you said so, keep on dreaming though.

  • Pat Oslon

    DH will end up in Houston but it won’t be “his” team. Harden is & will be the big dog in Houston.

  • MackAtttack

    Shaq was 4 inches taller and weighed at least 50 pounds more than Dwight Howard. Dwight is probably the strongest in the L right now but he isn’t unstoppable like Shaq, who could overpower literally anyone.

  • Evan Boland

    Jordan ran faster dash and has a higher vertical. Get outta here with your ignorance. How old are you, boy?

  • Evan Boland

    Lebron ran a 4.6. JORDAN ran a 4.3. LOL.

  • Evan Boland

    Kobe has plenty of moves that MJ never used.

  • Evan Boland

    MJ is the GOAT, and an idol of mine. Jordan > Kobe

  • OfftheWall87

    LeBron said he was clowning around and ran a 4.6. So when he’s serious, he’s obviously faster than that.

  • Evan Boland

    Maybe. I’d even say he is around Jordan’s speed. But he is no way faster. People always say Lebron bigger faster stronger. I’ll give you bigger.

  • OfftheWall87

    You’re silly if you think LeBron’s not also stronger than Jordan. He’s also faster. You’re hopeless if you can’t recognize it.

  • OfftheWall87

    Charles Barkley on LeBron : “Michael did everything well…LeBron James is just bigger, stronger, faster.” Who knew Jordan better than Barkley? Who played against him and lost in the 93 Finals? When did you play against Jordan and who are you to disagree with the man who did?

  • Evan Boland

    When the man is mostly wrong about everything, I will. Many of others have stated otherwise. Michael had ultimate body control. He would mop the floor with James. Just to get to the point, do you actually think Lebron > Mike?

  • Evan Boland

    You’re just wrong man. Jordan ran a faster 40. James isn’t faster. You have no reason to say that. And Jordan would put James on the ground. He is stronger. Bigger does not mean stronger.

  • Evan Boland

    The dude just wants to be able to say he witnessed the GOAT. He’s hopelessly mistaken.

  • OfftheWall87

    Did I say that? Can you read little boy? LeBron is a better athlete than Michael. Could Michael play tight end or wide receiver in the NFL? Doubt it. LeBron could. Jordan, better basketball player. LeBron, better athlete. Faster and stronger. Either you see it or you don’t. It’s on you.

  • Evan Boland

    Little boy? How old are you? I didn’t say you said that, I asked. I can see the argument for Lebron as a better athlete, he’s certainly a never before seen specimen of athlete. But MJ is still the best athlete to grace the game, IMO.

  • shutup

    Height and weight don’t mean squat, Shaq had the best footwork for a big man since Hakeem.

  • Blarmac

    I’d still rather have a determined, if possibly disillusioned, Kobe than an apathetic Dwight.

  • Drig

    Hard to disagree with you.

    However, if Amare is shafted again, I think NYK’s chemistry is gonna take a huge hit. They’ll implode sooner than the Lakers.

  • OfftheWall87

    Does coming off the bench behind Bargnani qualify as being shafted? Because if so, I can’t wait to see how that plays out.

  • Drig

    When you were an all-star just 2 years ago and was hailed as the person who would put NYK back on the map and you’re getting relegated to a bench by a borderline scrub, who is worse on the boards and on D and who’s not at all consistent, you’re getting shafted.

    There’s no two ways about it.

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