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Wednesday, July 31st, 2013 at 9:40 am  |  82 responses

Pau Gasol Looks Forward to Larger Role With the Lakers


With Dwight Howard no longer in the picture, an injured Kobe Bryant, and Mike D’Antoni having no choice but to make him the main option on the block, Pau Gasol is poised to have a major impact on the Los Angeles Lakers next season. The big fella says he’s eager for the opportunity. Per the AP: “‘I think I have the most uncertain period behind me,’ Gasol said on Tuesday. ‘The team has suffered a lot of changes, but as far as me, I am back in the position of a lot of responsibility, which I like, and I’m just going to focus on getting healthy. Now with Dwight gone I am the reference inside and I am more like I was a couple of years back when we made the finals three straight times and won two straight championships,’ he added. The Lakers enter a difficult point, with Howard snubbing the storied club to sign with the Houston Rockets. Bryant is still out indefinitely recovering from a torn Achilles tendon. Gasol wasn’t surprised by Howard’s decision to leave after just one season because it was ‘always a possibility.’ He described his former teammate a ‘nice guy’ and a ‘hard worker.’ Gasol spoke to the AP in the Barcelona airport, where he had just returned from a trip as a UNICEF goodwill ambassador to a refugee camp established in Iraq for the thousands fleeing the violence in neighboring Syria. Gasol called attention to the shortages of water, medicine and schools in the camp that was built for 15,000 but has taken in 50,000. Gasol said this work provides balance to his life as a pro athlete. It contrasts with the commotion surrounding his team, especially during last season when the Lakers were swept in the first round of the playoffs after beginning the year as a title contender. [...] While Gasol wants to be the Lakers’ second scorer again after Bryant, he still hasn’t heard if coach Mike D’Antoni agrees. The Spaniard said he had spoken to Bryant, point guard Steve Nash and general manager Mitch Kupchak about the team after Howard decided to leave, but he has yet to speak to D’Antoni. Gasol had a rough first season with the former Suns and Knicks coach and lost his guaranteed starter’s job. Nevertheless, Gasol is looking forward to this season. D’Antoni ‘had a tough position, I had a tough position,’ Gasol said. ‘I had a job to do, he had a job to do, so there really is no mystery. I know he had challenges. It was a very challenging season. Next season is a different one and a new chapter. So we’ll start out fresh and do our best.’”

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  • spit hot fiyah

    ” Now with Dwight gone I am the reference inside….” if your coach decides to put you there

  • shockexchange

    With Rent-A-Center gone, will LA finally unchain the Gimp? Stay tuned.

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    With Dwight gone and Kobe still injured, sounds like fantasy basketball gold.

  • Conor

    Offence is four out-one in. Gasol or Kobe will be that one.

  • shockexchange

    MWP said it was the “Pass to Horry Jr” offense. No?

  • LLC#12

    Absolutely agree, he could be getting around 22-10-4-2, on solid %’s as well, and he might even be good for a triple double or two, can’t argue with that! I’ve always been a big Pau fan, and whilst it was sad to see Kobe go down, I hope Pau takes this chance to reassert himself as one of the best bigs in the world.

  • Conor

    HaHaHa

    The pass-to-24-at-the-end-of-the-shot-clock offence has been a relevant system since 2001.

    Honestly, I don’t understand why the hog stigma is so prevalent still. You simply don’t win as much as Bryant has being an offensive black hole.

    Other than the game (which they won) against Golden State he took 47 shots, and the game (I watched, and LA lost) against Toronto that he took 33, he was a fantastic team player. Hence, choosing Kobe over Howard. I mean, there’s a reason these things happen and it isn’t because of Bryant’s exaggerated/media-proliferated status as a ball hog. Now that Howard is gone, you’ll witness a thoroughly fluid Lakers offence.

    Wilt is praised for what Kobe is diminished for. This is what happened last season when the rest of the team did their goddamn jobs (aka, he didn’t have the necessity to shoot because of teammates’ useless level of play):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRi0b2X2S8w

  • shockexchange

    After your dissertation and your youtube video, you have now changed the Shock Exchange’s mind. Could you get him in touch with the Horry Jr fan club. SE would like to join.

  • LakeShow

    I see more like 18-10-5-2
    He looooves passing.

  • bike

    God, I hope he stays injury-free for the better part of the season. It will be a tough go for them with him; without him it will suck.

  • ChosenOne

    “Wilt is praised for what Kobe is diminished for”
    That is very true

  • shockexchange

    Did you two just put Wilt and Horry Jr in the same sentence? For the first time in his life the Shock Exchange is speechless.

  • shutup

    How did you not choke on this BS while you typed it????? “exaggerated/media-proliferated status as a ball hog”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wilt won a championship averaging 7.8 assists a game during the regular season, and 9.0 assists in the playoffs – then he led the league in assists the next season. Nobody thought of him as a selfish basketball player. Freaking ignorant diatribe, I hope you weren’t proud of these stupid ass thoughts.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    then tries to use Wilt as his supporting evidence. Who did things passing the ball Kobe has never even come close to doing. And won his only championship as a dominant player doing so.

  • shutup

    That Wilt reference was off the wall, this dude has to be one of Kobe’s pubes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no it isn’t. not at all.
    .
    has Kobe ever led the league in assists?
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    has Kobe ever won a title while averaging 9 assists a game in the playoffs?
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    has Kobe ever averaged over 7 assists a game?
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    Wilt did.
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    Wilt did.
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    Wilt did, twice.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this new generation of Lakers fans make me so f*cking angry with all this ignorance.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    “Now with Dwight gone…” That sentence makes me laugh especially the “when we made the finals three times and won two straight championships” part like people need to be reminded of what happened…that’s something D’Antoni should have been aware of when he got hired. Knowing how Pau talks, I wonder if he had a smile on his face while saying it. Apparently people forgot what they did once he got there. Very disrespectful that the only reason he’s going to be playing his game again maybe is because of who’s no longer there…not because it’s just smart to play through him after what he did for them after he arrived from Memphis.

    Also, don’t you think he and D’Antoni would have talked by now? It’s been 3 weeks since Dwight made his decision and the 2nd most important player on the team has talked to almost every other important part of this except the head coach. I would challenge Pau on his assertion that D’Antoni had a tough job. The injuries were tough. But starting Pau Gasol isn’t a tough decision to make.

  • RKJ92

    Couldn’t agree more, Pau was destroying teams until Mike Brown, D’Antoni, and Howard got there.. they didn’t (the coaches) even utilize Pau properly it was so frustrating to watch.. :/

  • RKJ92

    I don’t know if you know this.. but ChosenOne, and Conor spread the word of Horry Jr; to anyone willing to join their cult fanclub.. I heard their motto was.. “Why pass?” truly making sure nobody forgoes their sacred d*ck sucking religion.

  • ChosenOne

    Don’t hate on ChosenOne, the dude actually knows his stuff, he’s just having an opinion. I disagree with him at times, but he knows what he’s on about.

  • ChosenOne

    See what I did there?…

  • ChosenOne

    Kobe actually has a higher career assist average than Wilt in the Regular season and Playoffs. So what’s your point? It is widely known Wilt is selfish, hence why “the most dominant force on hardwood” only managed a single ring. Kobe has five, but of course he is still a “chucker” to many people, when Wilt was by far more selfish. The dude used to finish games and demand the scoresheet…
    I wonder why?

  • LLC#12

    Yeah you’re probably right, he is unusually selfless, and if he’s the main offensive option, he might see some double teams, I’m hoping the Lakers perimeter guys will knock down their shots. As one of the biggest Laker fans on here, what do you think their records going to look like? I’m thinking around 46/47 wins is a safe bet.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe did not win because he’s selfish. Kobe won despite being selfish.
    .Wilt won by not being selfish……he ended up figuring it out.
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    Kobe? Hasn’t.
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    Simple.
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    They are different. Very different. Wilt’s reputation as selfish is muddled. He was viewed as a selfish player early in his career. Then when the criticism sunk in, he changed. And he was the catalyst to winning a championship, by being unselfish.
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    Kobe, still yet to become anything but a selfish basketball player, is different.
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    It’s not a bad thing. It’s just true. Kobe is not changing for anyone. Wilt did change. And he won doing it. They are different.

    (and a selfish personality and a selfish basketball player are two different things…idk if Kobe even has a selfish personality, but i know he’s a selfish basketball player. And i know the exact opposite of the Wilt Chamberlain that retired from the NBA).

  • LakeShow

    I think you’re right on with that win total. I am hoping for 52…
    There are shooters on the Lakers now. I’m excited about that. Haven’t had those in a while haha.

  • ChosenOne

    Have you ever read “The Book of Basketball”?? If you have you would agree with me. If you haven’t, I recommend you go and read it for yourself, and you’ll understand where I’m coming from.
    Look man, I would argue my case, but I’m far too lazy at the moment to break it down, but maybe another time I will. Btw, I aint a Laker fan, and I’m not ignorant. (Unless you were directing your comment to Conor then whatever, but don’t aim for me, when you know I aint a stubborn nut-hugger, just stating my opinion. You too RKJ92.)

  • ChosenOne

    Come on Ralph, you and I both know that is not much of an outlandish statement. Forget the ring count, Kobe has exceeded Wilt in other aspects such as defensive first teams, Finals MVPs, All-Stars. And just 4 months ago he made headlines passing Wilt in career points. I could go on…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes i have. and i am well aware of Wilt as a person and as a player. he was vain. and selfish away from the court. As a young player he was selfish on it. But he was also, unflinchingly kind. He genuinely cared about how other’s felt about him. And when he realized he had the reputation as a selfish basketball player, he went the opposite way. Did he still care about his stats? Yes. Definitely. But caring about your assist numbers doesn’t make you a selfish basketball player. He learned that to win, he couldn’t be selfish.
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    Kobe, hasn’t done that.
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    They are different.
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    Their reputations too, are different.
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    idk why that is hard to accept or understand. Kobe being selfish isn’t a negative, not considering the success he’s had. It’s just what it is. No big deal.

  • shockexchange

    “Come on Ralph” – hilarious. Anyway, for future reference, you should probably never put Horry Jr and Wilt in the same sentence. Wilt carried teams, while Horry Jr has been carried his entire career.

  • RKJ92

    It was most certainly aimed at anybody defending Kobe of being selfish; I HATE, and I mean HATE people who defend Kobe left right and center for things he does, that fans should just accept is who he IS, he is not the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan, he is not the best player in the league, he is not elite defensively, he won all his rings by consistently having the best post players in the league, and he is a volume shooter through and through and that’s just what it is.. But no Laker, or Kobe fan will ever cop to it and it leaves the rest of us with a sour taste in our mouths, like Kobe is untouchable, and Laker fans are by far the most stubborn fan base I have EVER laid witness too like it’s actually disgusting.

  • shutup

    Agreed 1000%

  • Conor

    I don’t care about what Wilt did in the 60s. The NBA was a joke then compared to what it became in the 80s.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol, in light of what I said, I’m sure you don’t.

  • Conor

    If I preferred Magic, no one would have any issue with my arguments. You guys act as though you are completely objective, but the collective dismissal of Bryant from people on here is astounding.

    Regardless, nbk, you probably still have night terrors because of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZZ2e-wr5c

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I didn’t know you preferred Kobe over Magic. That is irrelevant to this discussion. &
    Lol first of all I don’t care who wins any series. I have no allegiance, if a team is better, I’d rather they win a series. .
    Second, you do realize Kobe took a really selfish shot that he air balled and almost cost the Lakers game 6 right?, I mean if it wasn’t for Ron Artest it probably would have…oh well… if you want to prove what I said about Kobe winning despite being selfish true, sure, use that series, you really proved your point. Got me.

  • Conor

    LOL

    Before Game VI, he was averaging almost nine assists per game. You guys are hilarious.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol 5 games! That does prove me wrong. It’s not like when things mattered he was selfish to a fault or anything like that.

  • iceman

    Don’t you dare come round here talking in the third person, there’s only one chosenone allowed to that and his name is shockexchange

  • shockexchange

    Tell ‘em iceman. Black Mamba, Derrick Rose, ChosenOne – everybody wants to speak in 3rd person all of a sudden. Shock Exchange out.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    I will concede that Kobe is selfish – he has been from the start, and is mostly concerned with himself and his own legacy….but I disagree with this notion:

    “Kobe, still yet to become anything but a selfish basketball player.”

    I don’t think an individual player can lead his teams to 3 straight Finals and 2 championships by being just a selfish player. There were many times in 2008-2010 that Kobe deferred to other players in the biggest moments, and many games where the offense ran through Pau with Kobe being the decoy.

    It is easy to paint a brush of Kobe as being selfish due to some of his more outlandish exploits (taking 30+ shots, etc.), but those selfish tendencies usually get curbed once the playoffs hit – something that even Phil alluded to in his first book about the Lakers.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    I know you are not a fan of my opinions, but I will point out that only irrational basketball fans concede to him the best player in the league, or the best player since MJ (that is easily Lebron).

    While I see why people hate him due to his fans, I don’t think its fair to say things like “he won all his rings by consistently having the best post players in the league”. I say this because every championship team has, with the exception of the mid 90s Rockets and the 2004 Pistons, elite HOFers players surrounding the main piece. Did Lebron only win rings because he had 2 elite players in Bosh and Wade? Yes. Did KG only win because he had 2 HOFers? Yes. Did Duncan only win because he had 2 HOFers? Yes.

    I don’t understand why Kobe is faulted for having one elite big man on his post-Shaq teams (Bynum’s contributions from 2008-2010 in the *post-season* were average at best). If anything, it is remarkable that the LAkers made 3 straight Finals with just Kobe and Pau running the ship in the playoffs.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “I will concede that Kobe is selfish”

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    “but I disagree with this notion:

    “Kobe, still yet to become anything but a selfish basketball player.”

    I don’t think an individual player can lead his teams to 3 straight Finals and 2 championships by being just a selfish player.”

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    Uhm….i get that he has moments where he isn’t selfish. and as i’ve said more than once above, him being selfish isn’t really a bad thing. it’s just true.

  • LakeShow

    We defend him so vehemently because of people like you who diminish his accomplishments to that of his teammates doing, while leaving little credit for Bryant himself.
    You’re on the right we’re on the left.
    I see that. And realize that’s why i’m a fan of his. You should realize your’e a hater and acknowledge that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just Kobe and Pau? So Lamar Odom wasn’t out there? No trevor ariza or ron artest locking up the other teams best player? – they weren’t coached by Phil Jackson either?
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    you guys want Kobe to be treated fairly, but then romanticize his accomplishments. it’s pretty contradictory.

  • RKJ92

    It comes down to the level of dominance that Kobe’s teammates in Shaq, and Pau/Bynum just destroyed their competition like it wasn’t even close, and while they were putting the most efficient numbers on the board every game Kobe was shooting at a 40% clip that’s why he is faulted he is a great player but there is no way those 5 rings were all him.. 1 of the rings was him being the man in 2009, that’s it, that’s all.

  • RKJ92

    I’m not a hater! I think Bryant is amazing he just hasn’t been the man on his championship teams other then his 09′ team. Call me what you want but I think Bryant is one of the most talented shooting guards of all time.

  • LakeShow

    What he was saying is they only had 2 All Stars.
    Most champ teams have 3 or 4.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah, he said,
    “it is remarkable that the LAkers made 3 straight Finals with just Kobe and Pau running the ship in the playoffs.”
    - which is just flat out false.
    They had the most talented team in the league, it was actually disappointing that they didn’t make it to 4 straight finals. Not remarkable they made 3.

  • LakeShow

    They had one of the most talented teams because Kobe, and Pau were on it.

    Their team was never deep.

    Spurs were arguably more talented, as were the Celtics along with a couple other teams that could make arguments.

    KB and Pau made those guys who they were. Odom, Ariza and Bynum are nobodies without them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol. Nobody argued that the Lakers weren’t the favorites those seasons.. ESPECIALLY YOU. Now in retrospect they weren’t? Nobody said the team wasn’t great because of Kobe and Pau. that’s quite obviously why they were so good. You Kobe defenders are funny. Argue one way about him and his team when it suits the narrative. And the other way when it doesn’t. You know damn well those Lakers teams were or should have been the best teams in the league. From 2008 – 2011 they were the most talented, well rounded, and well coached team in the league. They made 2 finals and won one. If you want to argue that there was an equally talented team, you could say Boston, I wouldn’t make a fuss about that. But to say San Antonio – or any other teams that weren’t the Celtics as more talented, is outright bullsh*t

  • LakeShow

    They were the favorites.
    When did I say they weren’t?
    They were favorites because of KB, and Phil, and eventually Pau once he starting figuring things out. The rest of the roster was in between decent and shoddy.

    They made 3 finals and won 2. Not 1 out of 2…

    Why wasn’t San Antonio as talented? They were.
    Timmy(Greatest PF of all time)
    Manu(greatest 6th man of all time)
    Tony(Top 3-5 PG)
    Pop(greatest coach besides PJ)
    Plus they didn’t have revolving door with their 3 all stars and coach.

    The Lakers were a top 3 talent team and were favorites because of mainly KB and Phil. They had to teach Pau how to become a winner.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “They made 3 finals and won 2. Not 1 out of 2…”

    - uhm, look at the timeline in my comment. — although i meant they made 2 finals, and won them both.

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    Why wasn’t San Antonio as talented? In those seasons?

    (Kobe > The Whole Spurs Team)
    (Pau > The Whole Spurs Team)
    (Lamar Odom > everyone but Duncan & Parker)
    .
    They were better, and more talented. Which is also apparent by who had more success. I mean, are you really making this stupid f*cking argument when Tim Duncan had a season in those years where he put up 13 points and 8 rebounds. You are really going to argue that the Spurs were equal or better than the Lakers? gtfoh.
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    They had to teach Pau how to be a winner? they made the finals with him on the roster for half a season. Go to sleep with this revisionist history.

  • LakeShow

    Duncan in that period was as good as Pau.
    He just played less.

    So:
    KB>Everyone on Spurs
    Pau=Duncan
    Odom<Parker and Manu
    Equal talent wise.
    That 13 point season of Duncan's… He would have had better #'s than Pau if he played the same minutes.
    They were just conserving him. He has proved he has barely lost a step with this past season.
    Pau had been swept out of the playoffs for 3 years before coming to the Lakers. Once he came to the Lakers their was much talk of him needing to toughen up and he was thought of as one of the softest big's to play the game…

    The Lakers changed that all. Get the revisionist history out of here.

  • LakeShow

    Whoah….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he was hurt. he couldn’t play more. Pau was better. Simple. Sure, Michael Jordan is as good as Kobe for 12 seconds right now. But that doesn’t mean Kobe isn’t a better player by leaps and bounds at the moment.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, wth happened.

  • LakeShow

  • LakeShow

    Duncan in that period was as good as Pau.

    He just played less.

    So:

    KB > Everyone on Spurs

    Pau = Duncan

    Odom < Parker and Manu

    Equal talent wise.

    That 13 point season of Duncan's… He would have had better #'s than Pau if he played the same minutes.

    They were just conserving him. He has proved he has barely lost a step with this past season.

    Pau had been swept out of the playoffs for 3 years before coming to the Lakers. Once he came to the Lakers their was much talk of him needing to toughen up and he was thought of as one of the softest big's to play the game…

    The Lakers changed that all. Get the revisionist history out of here.

    Slams being crazy right now…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why did you repeat that completely nuts comment man.

  • LakeShow

    Where? It isn’t showing up for me

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this disqus thing is totally f*cking up. idk what’s going on. it repeated that comment above with the Park+= nonsense, now it’s gone. idk.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Odom < Parker and Manu"

    - Immediately, you are comparing Odom to the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players. Odom was the 3rd best player on the Lakers by a huge margin. Gasol and Kobe were (arguably, if not one, at worst #2) the two best players at their position in the league.

    .

    You remember calling Pau the best PF in the NBA right? we had this conversation/argument multiple times. I favored Dirk, you favored Pau. That can't have escaped your memory.

    .

    Now, Duncan was Pau's equal? It's revisionist history. That's what this is.

    .

    "That 13 point season of Duncan's… He would have had better #'s than Pau if he played the same minutes.

    They were just conserving him. He has proved he has barely lost a step with this past season."

    - Because he lost 20 pounds and isn't injured anymore. Seriously, wtf are you talking about? Pau was clearly better than Duncan during those seasons. Stop just trying to win the argument. I don't even understand what you are trying to prove.

  • LakeShow

    You thought Dwayne Wade was better. Probably Joe Johnson too right?
    Dirk was #1. Probably Pau #2 unless you think Bosh or Duncan was better.

    So yeah they were top 2 or 3 at their positions.

    Spurs were the same.

    Duncan top 2 to 5.

    Tony Parker same.
    And Manu and Odom were about the same.
    Rest of the Spurs bench was better.

    Pau over that time period: 19-10-3.5-1.5 54% FG’s in 37mpg
    Duncan: 17-10-3-2 51% fg’s in 31 mpg….

    Per 36 mins #’s Duncan is better than Gasol over that time period.

    Equally talented teams.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You are a dunce. Yes, the Spurs, who didn’t make it out of the 2nd round in that stretch were just as talented as the Lakers team that won 2 titles, made 3 finals, and BOTH OF US argued was the best team in the league over the entire period. That makes perfect sense 3 years later, sure.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and you know very well that i argue Wade was better from 09 going forward. Never have I once said Joe Johnson was even close.
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    AND YOU ARGUED FOR PAU FOR 3 YEARS. It just makes you look like an idiot stating what you are stating after all the sh*t you used to say in the moment. Maybe you have the memory of a gold fish, but i don’t. You are a freaking hypocrite whenever it can suit whatever your stance on a subject is.
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    You act so defensive about Kobe it’s really kind of sad. If this conversation was happening while they were still competing for titles you would be arguing the exact opposite. But now that saying they “over achieved” with equally talented teams around them makes them look better, that’s what you are arguing.
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    Seriously, it’s very frustrating to argue with a person who defends Kobe every chance he gets, even when there is literally nothing to defend.

  • LakeShow

    What does it matter what I argued? I argued Pau was the best because he “arguably” was and I love him and the Lakers.

    I am also arguing KB was better than Paul this past year, doesn’t mean i’m right?

    Pau could easily be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th. But when you go to the finals a few times it marks your stock up a bit.

    It’s frustrating to argue with a person that tries to down grade a man’s accomplishments all the time too.

    Deal with it. I do.

    Don’t be so sensitive.

    That’s the go to saying at this point right?

    Don’t be so butt hurt nbk.

  • LakeShow

    (Insert derogatory name call here)

    So because the Spurs underachieved they were not as talented.

    Got it.

    The Lakers were better. Not more talented.
    They proved themselves to be better.

    You’re mixing it all up.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What does it matter what you argued? You don’t care how being a total hypocrite reflects on your character? .
    What have I said, ever, that lessens Kobe’s legacy? Saying Wade has been better for a few years lessens Kobe’s legacy? Saying he’s a top 10 player ever hurts his legacy? Or is it me saying because Kobe and Pau were so good with the cast around them that they had the best team in the league, and this wasn’t over achieving by winning to reflect that opinion? What really hurts his legacy here? .
    I don’t have a problem with what you are saying by itself. I have a problem with you flip flopping your opinion based on what fits your argument. .
    If this started with someone calling those Lakers overrated, what would you say? The exact opposite of this nonsense? Yup. Exactly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ahhhhhhh by talent, you mean, at one point they were really good so irrelevant is the actual situation. You are right if that’s how you look at it. That sure isn’t how I was.

  • LakeShow

    I never said they were the most talented team. Ever.
    They were arguably as talented a team as any in the L.
    They were the best. That is what I argued.

    It would depend on how they were saying they were overrated of course. If they were saying they were not a very good team and they just got lucked into their titles then I would defend against that vehemently.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what is the difference between, “lucked into their titles” and “over achieved” ….. in your perspective?
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    look ^, all i did was react to dude saying they over achieved. which they most certainly did not. they were the “best” or arguably “most talented” team in the league. which for some reason you didn’t agree with (a reason i still do not understand. especially after you just acknowledged you felt they were the best team in the league).
    .
    and now we are here, explaining what started this whole thing.

  • LakeShow

    lucked into titles would infer that they had no business winning, but they had things go the right way for them, thus by creating a win.

    over achieved would mean that we thought they had no business winning, but they actually did cause they proved it by commanding we notice that they are better than we realized.

    “dude” should have known better. They weren’t lucky or blessed to be making those Finals. They deserved it because they played a beautiful team game and had better coaching and more talent than 99% of the L.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “lucked into titles would infer that they had no business winning, but they had things go the right way for them, thus by creating a win”

    - that is freaking impossible in the NBA. it’s not march madness.

    .

    “over achieved would mean that we thought they had no business winning, but they actually did cause they proved it by commanding we notice that they are better than we realized.

    “dude” should have known better. They weren’t lucky or blessed to be making those Finals. They deserved it because they played a beautiful team game and had better coaching and more talent than 99% of the L.”

    - Then why did you start this whole thing, if you understand that? The word talented really bothered you that much, that you missed the entire point?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “had … and more talent than 99% of the L.”
    .
    seriously? 99%? so that leaves freaking Boston. – again, no idea why you wasted so much of both of our times arguing against something you agree with, when you aren’t talking to me.

  • LakeShow

    We both took what OTB said a little differently. He said it was remarkable for the Lakers to make it to the finals 3 times with KB and Pau running the ship.

    I took that as a team with only two all stars going to the finals 3 times is remarkable. Which I some what agree with.

    You took it as him saying they over achieved because they were less talented than most other finals 3 peaters.

    I agree with him slightly because most Finals teams and champ teams have 3 or 4 All Stars.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    most have between 2 and 3. 4, has that ever happened? or are you counting guys that eventually turned into all stars? or were all stars in the past? cuz if you are, then LA did it with 4. Not 2.

    .

    Last 13 champions w/ # of All Stars….ready?
    .
    Miami Heat (3)
    Miami Heat (3)
    Dallas Mavericks (1) – at the time
    LA Lakers (2)
    LA Lakers (2)
    Boston Celtics (3)
    San Antonio Spurs (3)
    Miami Heat (2)

    San Antonio Spurs (3)
    Detroit Pistons (2) – at the time.
    LA Lakers (2)
    LA Lakers (2)
    LA Lakers (2)

  • LakeShow

    Why stop at last 13 championships?

    I think the 76ers use to have 4.
    Same with the Celtics.

    Although technically the Pat Riley Lakers only had 3 all stars, Byron Scott was essentially getting shafted.

    Point being, 2 All stars is almost bare minimum. (A few exceptions to this rule) 3 and a fringe 4th is common.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Although technically the Pat Riley Lakers only had 3 all stars, Byron Scott was essentially getting shafted.”

    .
    Lamar Odom is different how? That guy was freaking awesome for LA. That team in no way shape or form was winning with the bare minimum. They had a ton of talent. And that was the whole issue I was focused on..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Why stop at last 13 championships?”
    because that’s what i could remember off the top of my head.

  • LakeShow

    Of course they had good talent.

    Odom is one of my favorite players ever, and Ariza and Artest are both great defenders that can knock down important shots.

    BUT… Odom was very inconsistent until he had his 6th man year. He would be an all star talent one night and a not so useful role player the next.

    Ariza averaged 8ppg 4rpg and 2 ast and stls. He blossomed once he left LA with more mins and responsibility on bad teams. That’s a good role player, but that’s it.

    Artest barely shot 40% over his entire tenure and never was the defender or offensive player he was in his previous years.

    Bynum is one of the most underachieving and injury prone big
    men in history.

    I’m just saying. There’s other ways to view things besides clinically.

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