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Wednesday, August 7th, 2013 at 10:00 am  |  263 responses

Dwyane Wade Poses for Magazine With Sons as Trayvon Martin (PHOTO)

DWade dons a hoodie on the cover of Ebony.

Miami Heat superstar Dwyane Wade has been outspoken throughout the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman saga. Wade posed for Ebony magazine along with his two sons, wearing hoodies in honor of the slain Florida teen.

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  • JibbsIsBallin

    Awesome man. Way to show support Wade.

  • vINSANITY

    This is nice, but DWade can do more than posing in magazines and tweeting pictures of hoodies

  • Dfrance

    Idk, it’s great to bring more attention to the situation, especially from celebrities like Wade, but I feel like the whole posing with a hoodie on thing has become gimmicky.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    like what?? I’m just asking, I’d like to hear some ideas…..

  • Basketball_iQ

    This from a dude with Kramer as his profile picture. Racist prick probably was rooting for zimmerman to get off.

  • Basketball_iQ

    This is great,,,, bc there is a line that needs be crossed here. There are sports fans who supposedly “love” black athletes like dwade and Lebron and whoever but when the game leaves the boundaries on the court, ie when they aren’t entertaining you, and real life kicks in, all your “love” disappears. That’s screwed up, when we’re not dribbling a ball and throwing it thru a hoop, otherwise racist pricks who don’t seem to know they are racist, fall back. That was a major injustice that has been swept under the rug and that could’ve been anyone’s son.

  • pposse

    Why bring the kids into your battle?

  • vINSANITY

    Im saying that its a good first step, but i would love for gun violence to become wade’s “thing”, like how some celebrities are really dedicated to a certain cause, so basically following bono or angelina jolies footsteps but for reducing gun violence. That being said, if i knew how he could do that exactly, i would not be posting it here

  • JibbsIsBallin

    100% man. This is very real. I am a colored person, not black, living in the US. People will appreciate Lebron and love him for what he does on the court but they see a guy that looks like Lebron in everyday life and the racist crap start taking over. If you are in to hip hop, or even if you are not, this is terrific song. Very parallel to what Basketball IQ is saying….

    http://rapgenius.com/J-cole-kenny-lofton-lyrics

  • JibbsIsBallin

    Here is the link to the song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gvHwgwkok

  • vINSANITY

    You’re right, I want Dwyane Wade to help black people more therefore I am racist. Unless you were referring to Michael Richards in which case why would you care about what he thinks, and let his meltdown go.

  • berkamore

    And we are wondering why some people don’t wanna get involved.

    He did SOMETHING. Christ, give me a break. WHO are you to decide that what he does is enough or not enough?

    Goodness, people sometimes…………..

  • Jake

    As a white basketball player, it goes both ways. No one ever talks about walking into a predominately black neighborhood as a 14 year old white kid to play basketball and having large groups of adults saying they are going to steal your sneakers or kidnap you. My best friend and I were many times the only white people on the court or in the stands and we had slurs hurled at us for the entire day that we were there. It didn’t stop us from playing, but it’s just annoying that people act like this is only a “black issue”. Racism is everywhere, it doesn’t matter if you’re black, white, latino or asian. It doesn’t matter if you’re lower class, middle or upper. The fact of the matter is, whenever a kid of any color is killed, there should be as much outrage as there was in the Trayvon Martin case. I didn’t see any riots or newspaper stories taking place when my brother (half white) was beat up and put into the ICU by 6 gun wielding black guys just because he was in their neighborhood 7 years ago.

  • berkamore

    Well, I guess these guys made it out of there alive. What a frigging surprise…….

    SMH.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVMGcgZk4Qs

  • berkamore

    Because those kids will be men soon and as a father, Wade will always be wondering……..

    And don’t think that money and fame change much. Remember that Bill Cosby lost his son a few years ago too.

  • vINSANITY

    So we should pat him on the back and tell him to take 5 because whatever he’s been doing, it’s worked?

  • vINSANITY

    So we should pat him on the back and tell him to take 5 because whatever he’s been doing, it’s worked?

  • mike

    Everyone can ALWAYS do more… but he is in a sense doing A LOT , many athletes in the past and present do not take a stand , for fear of backlash, an politics behind it. This for sure hurts his endorsibility, he is sacrificing a lot of money for his beliefs

  • mike

    Everyone can ALWAYS do more… but he is in a sense doing A LOT , many athletes in the past and present do not take a stand , for fear of backlash, an politics behind it. This for sure hurts his endorsibility, he is sacrificing a lot of money for his beliefs

  • mike

    #truth

  • mike

    #truth

  • robb

    I was wishing the hoodie thing would become iconic, but you’re probably right it became a gimmick because everything these guys do starts and ends with that pose, it doesn’t go beyond that. Maybe they could make a bigger difference. A nice action by Wade nevertheless.

  • robb

    I was wishing the hoodie thing would become iconic, but you’re probably right it became a gimmick because everything these guys do starts and ends with that pose, it doesn’t go beyond that. Maybe they could make a bigger difference. A nice action by Wade nevertheless.

  • berkamore

    Well, you think whatever you want to think but in the words of the great philosopher Jeffrey Lebowski: “Yeah, well, you know, It’s just like, your opinion, man……”

  • berkamore

    Well, you think whatever you want to think but in the words of the great philosopher Jeffrey Lebowski: “Yeah, well, you know, It’s just like, your opinion, man……”

  • robb

    because that photo represents the fact that Trayvon could have been anyone’s son. That’s a very strong way to show that fact. The photo says: “Any black kid with a hoodie could’ve been murdered, including MY kids.” I think it’s pretty strong.

  • robb

    because that photo represents the fact that Trayvon could have been anyone’s son. That’s a very strong way to show that fact. The photo says: “Any black kid with a hoodie could’ve been murdered, including MY kids.” I think it’s pretty strong.

  • berkamore

    Well said.

    I guess we could say: “Racists buy sneakers too”.

    But at the same time, DWade is a global brand so I’m not sure his stand hurts him that much overseas. We’ll see………….

  • berkamore

    Well said.

    I guess we could say: “Racists buy sneakers too”.

    But at the same time, DWade is a global brand so I’m not sure his stand hurts him that much overseas. We’ll see………….

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    You’re right. There are double standards and racism exists everywhere. But racism is nothing without power and power does not lie in the hands of black people.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    You’re right. There are double standards and racism exists everywhere. But racism is nothing without power and power does not lie in the hands of black people.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ben Osborne

    Much respect to Ebony for the entire cover package they did. They also shot Spike Lee and his son and Boris Kodjoe and his son. Very powerful.

  • t

    Not justifying the violence or racism you experienced, but let’s not act like all things are equal and there is equal reason for both sides to be resentful. As a young white man you will never know what it’s like to be a neighborhood and have to worry about the residents AND the police trying to kill you because you LOOK like you don’t belong. At the end of the day, you got to go home to your comfortable existence where you didn’t have to worry about being profiled and shot where your parents lived. And apparently, you didn’t feel unsafe enough to not go back. This kid lost his life. You can hardly relate.

  • t

    Bill Cosby himself has a problem with young black people who have no desire to be mainstream. Despite his loss, his mentality is as, if not more, f#cked up than racist white folks.

  • Anon

    Y’all know if DWade was spending his summer talking to the UN about gun violence or campaigning against racial profiling, cats would be crucifying him saying “hey, it’s nice he’s doing this but he needs to be working on rehabing that knee for a 3peat or in the gym” or something like that. Anything these cats do, they’re gonna have critics.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    True but he does have a point.

  • t

    His comment gave off the impression that there is some widespread injustice against little white boys who want to play sports going on in this country. Compared to the topic at hand–a young man who was shot to death for walking down the street in his dad’s neighborhood– they aren’t alike. Like I said, he can hardly relate. I’m sure in his head his experiences are comparable but they aren’t. It needed to be said.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Wade, being from Chicago, knows a thing or two about violence in the inner city and he, along with the rest of his teammates, posted that picture of all of them in hoodies last year. Plus, he is a father of two sons and he’s raising his nephew. He had to find a way to explain to them what happened, why it happened and everything else that comes along with those kinds of conversations.

  • nonblackpersonofcolor

    It’s annoying? The white male is annoyed at the outrage of this situation? Shocked. Why is it that you guys somehow always find a way to maximize your victimhood whenever something happens to a person of color that gets publicity. And are you really trying to tell us that white on black racism has the same effects as black on white racism? If that’s your point let me stop you there. I don’t see anywhere in this world’s history of whites being oppressed for centuries by people of color to the point where the effects of such extreme inequality exist hundreds of years later. Last time I checked, white males still run this country in an overwhelmingly unequal majority.

    I think whatever you have been through is awful. I’m sorry your brother went through what he did. It’s just that your outrage at society’s present attention to the Martin case means next to nothing to those of us with a clue. You and your brother are alive and well. Trayvon Martin isn’t.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Racism against Black people is more famous than any other kind of racism against any other minority group in the U.S. It gets talked about more because of the damage it has done to not only the people who have been hated, but the people who have done the hating. The U.S. is in a hole that it will probably never get out of because of those actions and attitudes. White people now are having to deal with the consequences of their ancestors actions even when they might not have a racist bone in their own body. Everyone’s screwed.

    Sorry to hear about your brother. Is he also half Black? Because if so, half is enough for most people to just consider him full Black which would mean it was Black on Black crime…which almost no one cares about. Definitely not newspapers or network TV. That’s why there were no protests or newspaper stories.

  • patrick

    why? the evidence was very complex imo..it’s not known imo if martin instigated it, or if zimmerman did, or if zimmerman really shot him in self-defense or not. There is no video of it to playback and see!!

  • pposse

    Its not that. I agree with the message that is being delivered..its just that I wouldn’t want my kids to get judged by some random racist checking out at a store where the magazine is viewed by the public…I would be weary of it.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    We don’t disagree on that at all. My thing is that he’s right in a sense that whites also face scrutiny at times. His situation is not uncommon but it’s hardly recognized compared to young black men being profiled. Once again in no way shape or form am I likening the two just acknowledging that his point holds some truth.

  • goldenfour7

    DWade, like many others, are simply making an ASSUMPTION that Martin was profiled bc of the color of his skin (black) and what Martin was wearing (a hoodie) that night. Zimmerman has NEVER once said he was suspicous of Martin of bc of those two things. When the dispatcher first asked Zim what does the person look like, Zim said “I think black”. Zim did later identify MArtin as black once he got a better look at him. Is that being racist or is that called an OBSERVATION? That means he was unsureUnless you hear it from Zimmerman, you are just guessing and making things up. Zimmerman said he was suspicous of Martin based on his behavior of standing in front of a house which had been previous been called into police about a possible breakin, looking at it and around in the rain. Zimmerman thought it was strange why Martin was in no rush to get out of the rain.

  • goldenfour7

    Ha! A lost cause! Why is it a lost cause? Because Zimmerman never once stated he was suspicous of Martin bc he was black and wearing a hoodie. Those are simply ASSUMPTIONS made by Spike Lee and far too many other morons. I am surprised an educated man such as Spike Lee would assume something he has no proof to back up his claim. Based on police records and the dispatcher call, Zim was suspicous of MArtin’s actions of: 1.) standing in the yard of someone’s house who Zim knew and whose house had previously been called into police about a possible breakin, 2.) Martin was looking at the house and looking around him in the rain, and 3.) With it raining, MArtin did not seem in any hurry to get out of the rain. This is ALL on police records in the police interview and reenactment video of that night.

  • goldenfour7

    You made it seem like blacks being racist to others is okay, when it is not. I hope that isn’t what you are saying, but it sounds like it.

  • goldenfour7

    You are a joke!

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    You’ll just make yourself look foolish here. Stop while you’re ahead. This isn’t CNN. This is a basketball website.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    This isn’t the place for discussing the trial. But young Black men know what it’s like to be followed around because someone assumes you’re up to no good. Old Black men too. And others who are smart enough to pay attention to what’s going on should be able to at least notice the deal. Any kid who was been seen as “not belonging somewhere” knows what the deal was. You’ll get nowhere trying to defend the indefensible. No one cares about anything you have to say about the police report. Keep it basketball. Keep it about the cover, not about what you think about dude who killed that kid who was trying to get home to watch the NBA All-Star Game. Something that we were fortunate enough to be able to wake up the next morning and talk about here. Not everyone was that fortunate.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Find the sentence where I said Blacks hating other people is okay…even one where I hinted towards it. I don’t make things seem any way. I say what I mean to say. Clearly. All you need to have in order to understand what I’m saying is common sense and an ability to read.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I think what he was saying was that non Black violence directed towards Blacks is potrayed more in the media than Black on Black violence. Neither is ok but one gets more attention.

  • goldenfour7

    t, I think you have read and listened to far too many racist black people who are anti-white! I bet you do not like people making assumptions but you just made several in your ingorant comment! Whatever with your comment thinking every white person wants to kill a black person for walking throught a all majority white neighborhood. I grew up in a rural town of 10,000 with close to 90% of the town being white. Not one black person was killed by a white person in ALL of my years living there. There still hasn’t and there wasn’t for many, many years before! In fact, my friend’s dad was killed by a black kid. We assumed it was a white kid who did it, but it wasn’t. Also, I am white and I have been harassed by a security gaurd for cutting through a parking lot thinking it would lead straight to my apartment. The sec gaurd followed me in his car and rudely kept asking what I was doing. So whenever I hear black peole say they are the only ones to treated badly, I say Cry Me a River! Far too many black people cry racism when they have little or no proof to their claim and peole are getting tired of it!

  • goldenfour7

    He was shot because he couldnt keep his hands to himself! He had plenty of time to get to his destination (over 4 minutes) and he went back to Zimmerman’s locations after he friend suggested to him to run and go home which Martin said “No” to.

  • goldenfour7

    I LOVEbasketball for one. TWO, this cover is NOT about basketball put a statement. A statement of IGNORANCE! Also, can you tell me where Zimmerman said he was suspicous of Martin bc he was black and wearing a hoodie. If you can, please send it my way and I will gladly say that Zimmerman was wrong to profile MAritn in that manner. Till then, it is a lost cause!

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Don’t come here and try to disturb the peace we have on this site. Let’s take care of this right now.

    That’s probably why you’re so far removed from the reality of the situation…90% rural White town. Do yourself a favor. Spend time with people who aren’t like you and didn’t grow up like you did. Ask them about how they grew up. Ask them about being followed around stores because employees think they’re going to steal. Ask them about getting pulled over and talked to by police like they’re a boy even though they’re a grown man. Ask them about the brothers they have in prison for crimes that other people commit but get to go home for. Just try it out. And after you receive those answers, ask yourself how many times those experiences have happened to you. And if you find that you have never had those experiences, do yourself another favor and stop trying to tell everyone how something is when you can’t identify with the people who are actually experiencing these things daily. Just because it’s not your reality doesn’t mean it’s not someone else’s. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not there.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Exactly how many times have you read Ebony Magazine?

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    I don’t think Wade cares about how some racist idiot thinks of him and his kids. It’s more about the kids who look up to him and identify with both him, his kids and Trayvon. Those people will greatly outnumber the racists who see that image.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Are you in a battle with yourself to see how stupid you can sound? How many 17 year old kids who like airplanes also like to start fights and be a thug? So at some point, while walking home from the store with Skittles and tea, he thought it would be cool to start a fight with a 29 year old grown man before he got home to watch the All-Star Game? Go sit down.

  • mike

    honestly jake …you sound like a troll

  • goldenfour7

    Ha! I didn’t come here to disturb the peace. I love basketball, I saw this article and I put my two cents in the comment section just as you did. I have an issue with your narrow world view!

    You say “Do yourself a favor. Spend time with people who aren’t like you and didn’t grow up like you did.’ Guess what? I live and have lived in several big cities and guess who the majoirty of people I work with are? Low income young black males living in the inner city who far too often come from single and broken down families! I also work with other non-blacks as well who come from similar circumstances as well. Personally, I do not care what color the kids are, it just happens to be that way. Also, you assume I come from well to do background. You are correct in your assumption, but you could have been wrong as I have met other white people who have come from really crummy circumstances.
    You assume EVERY black perosn is innocent of crimes. HA! What a joke! I am white and I have been followed through a parking lot before by another white security officer and was harrased about what I was doing, when alls I was trying to do was get to my apartment. I forgot that it only happens to black people and it happens ALL the time to black people. AGAIN, whatever!

  • t

    A) I don’t give two sh!ts about what you’ve been through. B) I don’t care about your town, your family, your feelings. I’m sick and tired of white people like you trying to share your “I was a victim” stories whenever something happens to a black person. I don’t need to defend my comment to the likes of you because you’re too stupid to comprehend what I wrote. You’re still a closed minded rural white person who will believe whatever you want, despite the reality beyond your tiny world that is your town.

  • t

    STFU. You can keep making up ridiculous arguments so that you can let out your rural, racist nonsense but the only thing you do is prove that you’re a racist internet coward who doesn’t know a damn thing except for what you bigoted mind wants to believe.

  • goldenfour7

    “This isn’t the place for discussing the trial.” How is it not, when you have a picture of DWADE and his sons in hoodies with the words “We Are Trayvon”? How does that have to do with basketball?

    You say “But young Black men know what it’s like to be followed around because someone assumes you’re up to no good.”

    I am white and I have also been followed around bc someone assumed I was up to no good!

    You also say “No one cares about anything you have to say about the police report.” So you are just going to guess at to what you think happened and create theories of what you think happened and hwo it went down? Ha! You know how ignorant that sounds?

    Funny you tell me to keep it about BASKETBALL when your WHOLE comment had nothing to do with basketball except for saying DWades name and said his teammates and said “Wade, being from Chicago, knows a thing or two about violence in the inner city”. Ha!

  • t

    Drop dead. You sound like a Zimmerman type. Coward who only thinks he’s tough because he has a gun. Just like that fat, underachieving, wannabe cop, you too are a punk who would have gotten his @ss kicked had you been following someone who wasn’t going to tolerate that rent-a-cop bs. Kill yourself. I hope you or someone in your family experiences what Trayvon’s parents went through. It’s the only way you mother#ckers feel anything.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Wait a minute…dude coming from a 90% rural White town and admits to growing up with a “well to do background” is talking about someone else having a narrow worldview? Dude who is unwilling to look at things from another person’s point of view is talking about someone else’s narrow worldview? Hilarious.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Because the picture is more about Trayvon than it is about the trial. It’s about the kid, not the man who killed him or the trial. You have an issue with a magazine you don’t even read paying tribute to the kid and his family? Tell me how many times you’ve read Ebony Magazine.

  • t

    Is that suppose to mean something relative to this case? I really don’t get your point. Are we suppose to suddenly start highlighting the nearly non-existent white male victimhood that this white male dominated society–according to you and this guy–experiences? Please tell me exactly how the non-fatal isolated incident like the one he described is supposed to make us all feel like it’s on par with this Martin case. I’m curious as to how you link his situation and your whole “whites face scrutiny” idea with the death of this boy.

  • mike

    goldenfour7 , i have a question. Seeing as how most of the people im around disagree with the verdict, im curious to hear from someone of your persepctive.
    1. zimmerman never did mention Trayvon was clearly black… but what from a phone call would have you assume he was racist? would he have to say the N word? my take is , common sense would point out that… if im zimmerman ,im armed , and im chasing down someone , its best not to say anything blatantly racist…or else racism would come into play.

    2. Zimmerman stated in the police phone calls that he was suspicious because trayvon was walking slowly and looking into houses windows….. but is there any evidence of that? Im not a juror , but from what i recall, was there any evidence of trayvons feet or fingerprints near some of the apartment walls, windows or anywhere that would deviate from a normal walking path ? Any common sense person knows zimmerman wouldnt call and say “hey there is a suspicious black kid” .

    im just curious of why people are so trusting of the words of zimmerman…. when he was the person who shot trayvon, it seems clear he will say anything to make himself sound innocent , so why do you believe his word as truth?

  • t

    Your experiences, which no one but you cares about, are not the same. You history is not the same. You present is not the same. That having been said, f you and everyone else trying to tell the rest of us what life is like for us. Typical arrogant, white male always trying to dictate the reality of others.

  • goldenfour7

    goldenfour7 , i have a question. Seeing as how most of the people im around disagree with the verdict, im curious to hear from someone of your persepctive.

    Sure, I will give you my perspective.

    You ask:
    1. zimmerman never did mention Trayvon was clearly black… but what from a phone call would have you assume he was racist? would he have to say the N word? my take is , common sense would point out that… if im zimmerman ,im armed , and im chasing down someone , its best not to say anything blatantly racist…or else racism would come into play.

    My answer:

    So you are assuming he is racist. What do you evidence to you have to back up your claim? Did you know he mentored two black children and Zimmerman came to the aid of a homeless black man against the very police department who so-called helped him about police abuse of beating him and called for the cop who did it (another white man) be fired. You mean that racist?

    2. Zimmerman stated in the police phone calls that he was suspicious because trayvon was walking slowly and looking into houses windows….. but is there any evidence of that? Im not a juror , but from what i recall, was there any evidence of trayvons feet or fingerprints near some of the apartment walls, windows or anywhere that would deviate from a normal walking path ? Any common sense person knows zimmerman wouldnt call and say “hey there is a suspicious black kid” .

    My answer:

    I would agree that Zim wouldn’t say “hey there is a suspicious black kid”, but he also did not say that, so you are just making stuff up which is pure ignorant on your part! That is an assumption(guess) which you could be correct and could be wrong. Let me start applying my own meaning to your words and tell you what you are thinking and make assumptions about what you are saying. What would you tell me if I did that?
    You ask:
    im just curious of why people are so trusting of the words of zimmerman…. when he was the person who shot trayvon, it seems clear he will say anything to make himself sound innocent , so why do you believe his word as truth?
    My answer:
    I do NOT trust the words of Zimmerman as 100% truth! Hoever, there is nothing to prove or disprove all of what he has said. There has been evidence to prove a lot of what he said based on the dispatcher call, his bruises to the front and back of his head and neighbors who saw MArtin on top of Zimmerman. However, there were no eye witnesses for a majority of what happened that night, so therefore I think he is nither guilty or completey innocent.
    I believe Zimmerman should have identified himself and explained why he was curious about MArtin based on how there was a series of breakins in that neighborhood. ‘IF” (did you get that word?) what Zimmerman is true and Martin was physical with Zim when Zim was not physical with Martin and Martin came back to confront Zimmerman, then I think he put himself in that situation and brought this upon himself.

  • goldenfour7

    Appearantly Ishmael does bc he suggested to me to go be around people who are from different backgrounds from me and assumed I have only been aroudn white people my whole life in small towns.

    What an ignorant comment by you’ “Typical arrogant, white male always trying to dictate the reality of others.”
    And you aren’t? I forgot that you have the authority to determine who can have an opinion or not. I forgot that you are always and the only group who is the victim.

  • goldenfour7

    Reread my comment. I said it sounded like that. I wanted you to clarify your comment. You want to talk about common sense! Far too many people on here who ignored facts and evidence, went off the word on the street and opinion pieces to form their own opinion! Pathetic!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I never said highlight it just recognize it to be true at times. I think the problem most people have is downgrading anyone’s experiences. Not once in my comment did I compare the two and try to make them sound identical. Hell I even said “Once again in no way shape or form am I likening the two just acknowledging that his point holds SOME truth.” My point was that both whites and blacks can be victims of violence soley based off of their skin color. Not trying to say one is more severe over the other.

  • Happy

    Please. Any time a little white girl or boy gets killed or kidnapped the news won’t stop covering it for months. You are really complaining about the ONE BLACK KID whose death is making waves? You wonder why the rest of the non-white world questions your hearts. Do some soul searching and find out why it bothers you that this ONE BLACK BOY’s death is getting attention when the media obsesses over Casey Anthony’s daughter, or Elizabeth Smart, or that guy who blew up him and his sons after he killed their mom. Dig deep down into your character and find out how your memory can TOTALLY ERASE the fact that in 2013 we still cover Etan Thomas and Martha Moxley. There have been and always will be scores of white kids being killed and given the attention they deserve because of it. We can’t have even ONE of our kids’ murders get some TV time? There is something really wrong with your heart and your head if you have a problem with the fact that people care so much about Trayvon Martin’s death. Nothing you say will convince me that you are anything other than a racist.

  • goldenfour7

    “You’re still a closed minded rural white person who will believe whatever you want, despite the reality beyond your tiny world that is your town.”
    Ha! Like you sound like a very open minded person.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    No, you took it that way because that’s how you wanted to take it. You believe the facts from one side…other people believe the other side or they’d like to hear Trayvon speak for himself…but he can’t do that. Meaning there are facts out there that only he could tell. So you’re right and they’re pathetic? Because they believe something different than you do? That sounds right to you?

  • goldenfour7

    A “well to do background” as in I had to parents and not in the sense of money, huge house and getting everything I wanted.
    I have know and met far too many kids who are broken and hurt bc they feel like no one cares for them. That is what I am talking about.
    Isn’t that hilarious?

  • goldenfour7

    I forget that you know what is in my mind, heart and life experiences to callme a racist. What am I again. I am just calling out people like you who admit to ignoring evidence and facts and basing an opinion on soemthing they did not take the time to look into such as the Zimmerman Trial in the death of Martin. I think it is a sad a unfortunate situation and I honestly wish MArtin did not die that night. I guess that still makes me a racist.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    It’s even worse that you supposedly know people who are like the innocent kid who was killed and his family, but you still can’t attempt to look at it from their point of view.

  • t

    Your comments tell me everything I need to know. Your heart head and mind are on full display. The only fact is that there is no witness to back up Zimmerman’s version of the story.

  • goldenfour7

    Another assumption by you! I do not own a gun and Zimmerman was tired of people breaking into people’s homes…white and black! Assumption two and shows how much you paid attention to the facts! Zimmerman was NOT fat the night Martin was killed. Assumption three, I am not happy that Martin died that night and I wish for a different result.

  • t

    You know George Zimmerman? You know what he was tired of? Any fool will give a justification at his or her own trial. You don’t know anymore than anyone else who isn’t that fat murdering rent a cop so stop it. No one cares how you feel. You think that you are going to change anyone’s opinion here? I don’t care what you think of Trayvon, Zimmerman, or people of color as a whole.

  • goldenfour7

    You do know it wasn’t tea MArtin was drinking. It was Arizona brand Watermelon fruit juice. Some in the media didnt want to print that or say it bc having black person and watermelon in the same sentence might bring out racial sterotypes. However, it was thr truth but sugar coated. Check the police records and photos of that night.

    You ask “How many 17 year old kids who like airplanes also like to start fights and be a thug?”So you were there that night and saw Zimmerman put his hands on Martin first which resulted in Martin to defend himself in a physical manner? You could be right in your guess, but you do not know. I also do not know or claim to know who laid whose hand on who first bc I wasn’t there when the scuffle happened and neither does anyone else! If Zim was physical with Martin first, then MArtin had every right to use physical force to defend himself and Zim should be guilty, but there is NO evidence to suggest that. If Martin laid is hand on Zim first, I believe Zim did what was right IF what he says is true.

  • goldenfour7

    We are on Slam’s website aren’t we?

  • goldenfour7

    We are on Slam’s website aren’t we? We aren’t on Ebony’s website.

  • t

    For the past 1000 plus years your ancestors and your present race-mates have been going around the world dictating to others what their reality should be, how they should feel and what they should believe in. My statement is reality based. You yourself came on here doing the same thing. So like I said, typical arrogant white male trying to dictate to others what their own reality it. No one asked for your opinion, so when you share be prepared for the backlash.

  • goldenfour7

    Please with the ignorant comments. I hear many stories about missing black kids and how the media jumped on it in the cities I have lived in. You just keep buying that divide and conquer crap which only seperates everyone!

  • goldenfour7

    What? Cannot stand another world perspective?

  • Happy

    Yet you couldn’t name a single one off the top of your head. F off. Unlike the rest of these guys I’m not interested in going back and forth with you. Stay as ignorant as you want. Just know this, people like Zimmerman and you are lucky to not encounter black people like myself in person. Not all of us are like that T-Ray cat. The Zimmermans of the world will definitely meet their slave owing ancestors in hell faster than planned if myself or my son was ever followed like that. Bet your life on it.

  • goldenfour7

    You know why black on black violence is often not mentioned now adays? They use to in the past, but far too many people complained that it was a negative representation of black people in inner cities. Once news stations and newspapers slowed down their reporting on the topic, then they were accused of not caring and ignoring the situation which plaques black communities. It is a lose-lose situation. What do you suggest?

  • goldenfour7

    My apologies for taking it the wrong way. At leat I can admit I am wrong.
    I do not believe the facts from one side! I have said for the lobgest time I do not know for 100% certainty that Zim is telling the truth bc he is the only one to tell the story. How am I or anyone to say he is telling the 100% complete truth is lying out of his ass when I or anyone else was not there? Cna you answer that. That means he is neither guilty or innocent and that is why the jury reached the decision they did, bc there was NO eye witnesses to prove or disprove Zimmerman’s claim. Do you get that? I don’t think you do despite me clearly spellingit out for you. Also, why are you taking Martin’s side and act liek you saw everything and that MArtin did nothing?

  • mike

    1. Im not assuming he is racist… but im open to the possibility that he is ….given the fact that he shot an unarmed minor who committed no crime. His mentoring of kids who are black , an homeless man who are black , does not dismiss him of any racial actions.

    2. Nothing to prove or disprove anything he said… so basically anything he said should mean NOTHING. like his reasons for follwing trayvon and what he reported to 911. Fact: Zimmerman had bruises on the back of his head and face , and reported being bloodied , Fact, trayvon only had a 1/4″ by 1/8″ abrasion on his left hand…. with no blood or dna evidence on the hand or fingernails of trayvon. My assumption…. possibility that zimmerman may have beaten himself up afterwards to justify his actions ( i have no evidence of this … but there seems to be little evidence that trayvon did it also ) .

    I appreciate the feedback bro , the whole case is very interesting , and not very clear cut thus making it open for discussion.

  • berkamore

    Oh, they encounter people like you but they will never ever bother you. See, they are bullies. And those people NEVER mess with you if you look like you could f….them up. Not that you would (I don’t believe in violence) but…… you get the idea.

  • t

    I don’t know why my response was deleted but lemme repost the shorter version.

    A lot of things ‘can’ happen. Women ‘can’ r@pe men. Children ‘can’ abuse adults. Do these things happen? Yes. But the fact of the matter is, the abusers in the scenarios I listed are almost always on the receiving end. Are some black people unnecessarily racist towards whites? Sure. Jake’s comment was meant to minimize Martin’s death by bringing up an instance of white male victimhood as if it were as common and on par with white on black racism/profiling. He knew exactly what he was doing by posting his comment and comparing his one non-fatal incident to the loss the boy suffered because he was profiled the way most black men in this country have been. You co-signed his comment. That tells me that you are either not sharp enough to see what he was doing, or you are and you too were trying to minimize this boys death. Either way, I’m leery of you as I am of him. He went so far as to say he was annoyed with the coverage this boy’s death has been getting. annoyed

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I co-signed him? Lol ok man. Where in the f*ck in any of my comments did I say “yea man you’re 100% right”? Trust me I’m pretty aware of what he was implying. For the fourth time I’ll also say that I DO NOT AGREE WITH HIS ENTIRE COMMENT. I was just pointing out that I acknowledge his past situation and that there are few cases where whites are targeted for being white. NEVER did I ever liken it to the burden that black people face every f*ckin day. I too am young black male and have faced profiling. So to think that I co-signed this guy in his entirety is funny in itself. As far as being leery of me hey so be it I could care less. It’s the internet and if you want to take your impression of me and run with it go ahead. I’ve said my peace on this and I’m done with it.

  • goldenfour7

    So you want me to automatically take Martin’s side? Why? Yes, I do believe there is racial profiling that goes on across this country and world. Based on Zimmerman’s actual words on the dispatcher call, police interview and reenactment where Zimmerman explained his route, actions and thought process, he NEVER once said he thought MArtin was suspicous bc Martin was black and wearing a hoodie. If he did bc of those two things, then shame on Zimmerman and I believe karma will get him if that is the case. I orginally thought Zimmerman was 100% responsible, but I looked at what was known. MArtin had plenty of time to get to his destination, but he CHOSE to go back to Zimmerman based on his phone call with his friend that night.

  • Jake

    Really? Slave owners like Zimmerman? He’s a mexican you idiot. That just shows how ignorant YOU are. Everyone was painting this as a race crime, which it wasn’t. Everyone acts like Trayvon Martin was killed BECAUSE he was black, which he wasn’t. My point is that racism exists in every race, and white people are the ones who are always called racist, even when they only have a white sounding last name, like Zimmerman.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Me personally I think it should be reported regardless. You’re always going to have a few who think it’s bad when they report it and then get upset when it’s not. That’s just the way it is unfortunately.

  • t

    You didn’t agree with his entire comment but you didn’t post a single thing disagreeing with it. Instead, you commented in response to my comment that checked his @ss. You chose to respond to me and point to the one single tiny truth in his post that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Trayvon’s Martin’s death. You were moved enough to tell me how that Jake guy had a point but you weren’t moved enough to question why he is upset at a black boy’s death getting publicity? The guy wasn’t upset at his death, just the fact that it got so much attention, and the only thing you could say was “he does have a point”. That says a lot. It says more than your initial one sentence response to me.

  • goldenfour7

    Past 1000 years?! Man, the number keeps growing and growing! Ha! Also, my ancestors?! You actually know for sure my family line owned slaves? Even if my family did owne slaves, that ain’t me, man! Tell me, how long are you going to hold on the slave talk? What good does that do? Does it only create more hatred? I believe we should learn about it and learn from it, but NOT dwell on it. Who do you know who was personally a slave? Can you tell me that, brotha?
    Also, you do know Africans were slave owners as well who captured other black people and sold them to the white man. Did you know that? I guess that part slipped your mind. Ha!

  • Jake

    Zimmerman wasn’t a police officer, first of all. And secondly, yes there were plenty of times where I had to worry about police growing up, solely because I was dressed in basketball attire and they associate it with being a hoodlum. It doesn’t matter what color your skin is to the police. Dress a white guy in a turban, he’s going to get hassled. Dress an asian guy in a hoodie and saggy jeans, he’s going to get hassled at night.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I responded to you because I felt we could have a healthy dialogue about looking at both perspectives. My response was not a representation of my position. I never responded to him because it wasn’t worth me repeating what you and the other commenters had already stated. I also like how you dismiss the fact that I co-signed YOU by saying “true”. But hey proceed sir.

  • t

    His father is a white man @ss wad. And no he isn’t Mexican, you dumb redneck. Not everyone from a non-European Spanish speaking country is Mexican. You are seriously questioning why white racism is more damaging? Just quit. I’m embarrassed for you.

  • goldenfour7

    I brought up the ASSUMPTIONS people are making that Martin was profiled bc he was black and wearing a hoodie, when they have NO proof to their claim but assigning their own meaning to Zimmerman’s words in the dispatcher call. You member when I assigned meaning to you words earlier and who I assumed wrong? You got pissed. Didnt you? So why do you do it?

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Him being black had a big factor in the initial contact let’s not be naive here.

  • berkamore

    Zimmerman’s father is white and his mother is hispanic (peruvian and I believe has some african ancestry).

  • goldenfour7

    That is all it takes nowadays (a few) to change something no matter what it is. I do not want to her people like you crying if it just so happens to be a lrge percentage of violent crmes happening at the hands of young black males (not all).

  • Jake

    Trayvon Martin isn’t dead because he was black. That is something that people are sorely mistaken about. Do you really think that Hispanic George Zimmerman was thinking ” Dang, there’s a black kid…I better shoot him.”? No one knows what happened that night without a reasonable doubt which is why Zimmerman wasn’t convicted of murder. The fact that black people are making this a race issue, rioting in the streets and looting businesses, is what annoys me. If Trayvon Martin were Vietnamese, do you think the same crowds would have been rioting in the streets? Nope. And the fact that white people are still being called slave owners in 2013 is another example of people making false claims with no basis.

  • t

    You are literally too dumb to function. I said going around the world, which Europeans have been doing for over a thousand years, destroying. Who said anything about Africa, moron? Africans weren’t the only group of people murdered and decimated by whites. Hell, white-run countries are doing it today. It’s called Imperialism you stupid f%ck. Your ancestors and brethren are STILL going around the world pillaging and destroying the countries of non-whites, taking what they feel entitled too.

  • berkamore

    Can you prove that (the black on black thing) or you are just saying it?

  • Jake

    I’m a troll because I’m tired of hearing about how Trayvon Martin was some kind of angel who was executed in the streets for being black, while thousands of other kids of multiple races die every day at the hands of their parents, police and gangs….and no one riots for them? You tell me what’s wrong with the situation.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    People like me? Lol ok pal because I’ve cried on this comment section so far I guess.

  • Jake

    We’re half Native American, and he just happens to look like he’s cuban. But for those saying I haven’t endured any kind of racism in my time, my family was forced to change their last name to Nelson in an attempt to sound more white because our tribal name and skin color got dozens of our family members killed all the way through the 1940′s. My grandmother still comes to tears telling us about having to abandon the side of her family who refused to change their last name to a white sounding last name, out of fear that she would be killed. So yes, I would say that there is far more racial crime against other people other than African Americans that they choose not to remember. Ask the Chinese and the Native Americans how they were treated by white people in the past, I’m sure you’ll hear some good stories.

  • Jake

    So why does everyone refer to him as white? Does the white side of someone automatically make them a racist?

  • t

    A response is exactly that. It’s a representation of one’s position. You expected a healthy dialogue from a guy who posted what he did? I don’t believe that. Not for one second. Honestly, you just came off as one of those black people who doesn’t want to be looked at by whites as being “angry” or too “black” so you chose to respond to the other black person and agree with the white dude. I mean, it is what it is. Not trying to offend you or anything but I’m just not with the Bill Cosby perspective.

  • Jake

    So why is no one giving tv time and riot time to the hundreds of thousands of middle eastern children that are killed every year? Do you care about them? How about the babies in China who are exterminated every year because their parents had too many kids? Do they get any special attention? The fact that you think I’m racist for calling out black America for only caring about their own race is ignorant and without merit. So maybe you should check yourself and your unmitigated feelings at the door next time before you go making generalizations.

  • goldenfour7

    You say:
    1. Im not assuming he is racist… but im open to the possibility that he is ….given the fact that he shot an unarmed minor who committed no crime. His mentoring of kids who are black , an homeless man who are black , does not dismiss him of any racial actions.
    My answer:
    So just bc a person of one color kills a person of another color, it is automatically assumed to be bc of racism? Again, If what Zimmerman says is 100% thr truth that he did not touch MArtin first and that Martin got physical with Zim first, then the ONLy reason Zim killed MArtin was in self defense. You act like you saw the whole thing and that Zim just walked up to MArtin and shot him when evidence shows (Zim’s bruises and broken nose) that a fight took place and people saw MArtin on top hitting Zim.

    You say:
    2. Nothing to prove or disprove anything he said… so basically anything he said should mean NOTHING. like his reasons for follwing trayvon and what he reported to 911. Fact: Zimmerman had bruises on the back of his head and face , and reported being bloodied , Fact, trayvon only had a 1/4″ by 1/8″ abrasion on his left hand…. with no blood or dna evidence on the hand or fingernails of trayvon. My assumption…. possibility that zimmerman may have beaten himself up afterwards to justify his actions ( i have no evidence of this … but there seems to be little evidence that trayvon did it also ) .
    My answer:
    Yes, nothing to prove or disporve what Zim said. How can anyone when there where no eye witnesses? Yes, the only eye witness (MArtin) is dead.
    Your theory is INSANE and IMPOSSIBLE. Even the police and FBI (who investigated this case) NEVER came up w/ that LAME ASS theory! Ha! Did you pay any attention to this trial or are you just guessing on all of this and getting your sources from people on the street. There were eye witnesses who saw MArtin beating Zim and then heard a gun shot. That is a FACT! I cannot believe you just said soemthing SO stupid!!!
    What is your highest level of education and do you know what critical thinking skills are?

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    You’re here taking issue with Wade and his sons being on the cover of this magazine. Is Wade not allowed to take a position and believe what he wishes to believe? He can’t take sides? Why is it okay for you to take a position, but he can’t pay tribute to a dead kid? What’s real and true is that Trayvon is dead. And so many people know why he was followed and ultimately killed. Whether you see it or not doesn’t mean a thing to anyone at all. Those of us who know how profiling works…we know what happened and why. Believe what you wish. We’ll believe what we wish. Just agree to disagree. Some of us experience different things than you do and we speak from that experience. You speak from what exactly? Watching on TV?

    Tell me the last time you were followed around because someone thought you were up to no good because of the color of your skin. Tell me the last time you walked into a restaurant and were stared at from the time you arrived until the time you left. I don’t need to hear a thing from Zimmerman about why he followed him. He’s not going to come out and say he profiled the kid so you shouldn’t expect to hear it. I don’t care if Trayvon was carrying an actual watermelon. The point is he wasn’t anticipating conflict. It was created by the man who got out of his car with his gun and followed him. Get out of here with that BS man.

  • goldenfour7

    What SOME white people did to others is awful and despicable. I agree with you 100%! However, i like how you only mention white people. What about the Chinese and what others have done to others? It isn’t just white people you misguided fool! Keep reading your racist black literature and narrow mindedness! Ha!

  • berkamore

    “Trayvon Martin isn’t dead because he was black.” I kind of stopped reading after that. You actually may be right but blanket statements are NOT evidence

    PROVE that statement to me and then we can talk.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Point is…why are you concerned about a basketball player being on the cover of a magazine that you don’t even read? It’s none of your business if you don’t care for it. He was doing what he wanted to do and making the statement he wanted to make. You could’ve skipped this post. You chose to come here and defend the outcome of the trial which no one brought up. You replied to people, even the SLAM editor and writer. Your angle was clear.

  • berkamore

    Ask everyone to get their answer. To me, Zimmerman is biracial. (Welcome to the 21st century)

  • Jake

    Yup, I’m definitely a red neck. Thanks for calling me out. He was referred to as Mexican on CNN multiple times, which is the only coverage of the case that I had, so I apologize for not correctly identifying the original country of his hispanic heritage. It still doesn’t make him white though.

  • t

    Who the f are you to call out black America? And what the f do those MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ISSUES have anything to do with black life in America? A white man calling out any group of colored people for a lack of caring about human life is laughable.

    Check your group’s record. Whites are in no position to call out other races. You slaughtered one group to take their land, built your nation of stolen land on the backs of slaves, and to this day do everything in your power to maintain white male dominance in a country where you make up less than 50% of the overall population. White people are funny. I just have to laugh when you guys make statements like that. If I wasn’t certain of the evil in your heart, I’d say you almost believed the bs you typed. Haha. You’re a funny cat.

  • Jake

    It’s just frustrating, that everyone calls him white. I haven’t heard more than a handful of people refer to him as multi-racial. Even though I got the country wrong, I didn’t mean to call him Mexican in a derogatory fashion, I genuinely thought that was his heritage.

  • Jake

    My group? I’m only half white, but nice try. Are you familiar with Liberia and the Ivory coast? Lots of black on black slavery there, so there’s that. Also, I wasn’t aware that the Chinese and Middle Eastern children were part of “my group”. Tell me, did you riot when the Genocide in Serbia and Bosnia happened? Probably not. Why? Because they weren’t the same race as you, or you just don’t care about other people.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Dark enough for too many people to not care. That’s how it is. It’s sad, but dark people killing other dark people isn’t going to make it into too many newspapers. Native Americans and African Americans would do well to ease up on destroying each other because others do a great job at trying to accomplish that. And we all know that we were the first two groups of people here and look what happened. The Native American grandmother you speak of would shed tears with my great grandmother who had some heartbreaking stories to tell herself. As for the name change, we can understand that because Smith, Jones, Johnson, Nelson…these aren’t names that we chose ourselves.

    If we ever talked more about racism against other minorities here, that would mean more trouble for people who don’t want to talk about any of it. Racism against Blacks is easier to discuss because of convenience. If we ever really talked about what happened to Native Americans in detail, that would be a difficult conversation with those who wish to keep that under the rug.

  • berkamore

    You are not helping your case. LOL.

    Some Mexicans are of european (usually spanish heritage) and they are white. What we associate with “mexicans” in the US is called metiszo ( hope I spelled that right). It is a mix of white, indian and black. (and if case you were wondering, they WERE black people in Mexico back in the day)

    Anyway, don’t wanna ramble but you can find more about that stuff online…

  • Jake

    Dude, there’s absolutely zero evidence to support the notion that he was killed due to being black. That’s what I was pointing out. Was it wrong that he was killed? Yes. Absolutely. But to say that this was a race crime is completely without merit.

  • goldenfour7

    Where is Wade on the death of other black kids or any other kid in the national media? What is funny is black kids who wear hoodies have killed other blacks kids who wear hoodies. Wear is the outcry over that my brotha? Ha! Oh, the irony!

    Wade can voice his opinion, but it is musguided in regard to this. His cause is based on ASSUMPTIONS which claim Zimmerman profiled MArtin bc he ws black and wearing a hoodie when there is NO evidence to suggest Zim did. You still haevnt provided me with evidence to suggest Zim profiled MArtin bc of these two things. Come on! SHow me the evidence!

    You say “I don’t need to hear a thing from Zimmerman about why he followed him.” Why is that? So you make up your own assumptions and make up stuff? How retarded! Are you educated?

    You also say “It was created by the man who got out of his car with his gun and followed him.” I agree with. Would also agree it was created by MArtin who went back to where Zimmerman was? Martin would still be alive if he went straight home. Wouldn’t he? Instead, MArtin went back to Zimmerman and the rest is history! Sad, but true! It is true bc Martin told his friend he wasnt going to go home.

  • t

    I will. I’ll also keep reading the history Euros STOLE and plundered from every non-white culture they’ve ever encountered. And no, I don’t remember the Chinese crossing oceans colonizing every non-white group they’ve encountered. I don’t remember a trans-continental slave trade run by them for centuries either. Face it, whites have more blood on their hands than any other group and you’re still doing it. Except now it’s oil you people want, and you don’t care how many brown folks have to die for you to get it.

  • Jake

    Actually, a good majority of Mexicans descended from the Aztec Indians and indigenous tribes that lived there before the Spanish invasion. I know all about it. But with a name like Zimmerman, people automatically say “he’s a white man!” when he’s not.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Too many so-called “leaders” of Black America only speak of Black issues. You have a point there. But there are Black people who speak up for other people who routinely get screwed including poor Whites. Unfortunately, they aren’t on TV as much and there’s a reason for it.

  • Jake

    Anyways, I just find it interesting that people in this generation are still being blamed for the social actions of their ancestors rather than their own actions. I don’t assume anyone is an a**hole until they wrong me, and I don’t care what color they are. But at some point, the finger pointing has to stop and people need to start caring about every single race equally instead of “looking out for their own.” It will never happen, but it’s not a crime to dream.

  • goldenfour7

    Again, we are on Slam’s website aren’t we? We aren’t on Ebony’s website. Why do you care? Bc you are black and you automatically assume this is a race issue? The FBI under the Obama administration said that race had nothing to do with this. MLK niece said the same thing. The juror who came out who said “In heart, Zimmerman is guilty of murder” said this was not about race and then said she couldnt say Zimmerman is guilty based on facts even though eshe originally thought he was guilty. Give it up! You are also on the losing end of a lost cause! I am all for the end of racism, but this is NOT it!

  • berkamore
  • Jake

    Thanks for that Ishmael. Everyone that is arguing with me is missing the point that I was trying to make. It’s just pathetic that you don’t see many star athletes on magazine covers with titles like “We are Syrian children”. The media discards anything that won’t get people here riled up. Millions die in a different country? Nah we don’t need to give that a cover. Women held hostage in Cleveland? Thousands of hours of press coverage!

  • t

    You 100% white in your mentality and heart. And you sound like a f-ing moron right now. Black Americans, like ALL GROUPS ON PLANET EARTH, are most concerned about what is going on with their own country. There is nothing wrong with that and as I said before, a white person criticizing anyone for any reason related to their lack of attention to people of color overseas is laughable. You think anyone but an anti-black racist will agree with you that black Americans are heartless or uncaring for being concerned about issues that they relate to in in the U.S? You sound as stupid as you are racist.

  • Jim

    Slavesdidnt build America, sorry

  • Jake

    I wasn’t saying that you’re wrong. As I stated before, I am very familiar with South American history. But like I keep saying….that still doesn’t make Zimmerman white.

  • Jake

    And again, I apologize for calling him Mexican when he’s not.

  • berkamore

    I already answered that above. To me, he’s biracial.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Yeah because Obama is the second coming of MLK and Malcolm X and he just loves talking about race. And he orders his administration to speak truthfully about race all the time because America just loves hearing the truth about how screwed up things are and how there are still groups of people who are treated differently than others. And MLK’s niece has the same mind that he had and speaks directly for him…right? That’s like saying Wilt Chamberlain’s cousin thinks Shaq is the best big man in the history of the league so that obviously means Wilt thought the same thing before he passed.

  • t

    His father is white. Like a typical racist white person, I guess you don’t consider someone one of you when their blood is “tainted” by that of a colored parent. Zimmerman played up that “Hispanic” thing to play the whole “I can’t be racist, I’m half Hispanic” card.

  • Jake

    I didn’t say that black people are heartless and uncaring, but don’t you think it’s about time they start paying attention to the rest of the races, instead of just their own? You don’t know anything about me that would make it okay to call me racist. And what’s wrong with being 100% white, are you racist against white people? Because it’s starting to sound like it…lol.

  • t

    Jake please. You’ve been exposed. Save the disingenuous garbage for people who buy your bs. I don’t believe for one second that you aren’t racist and your comments proved my suspicions.

  • goldenfour7

    Ha! You are dumb man! EVERY GROUP has blood on their hands! The world is an ugly place. Again, what SOME whites did in the past was ugly, but I have no guilt for it bc I did not do it nor do I except it. I wish it didnt happen, but it did. What do you want me to do?
    And the oil talk? Ha! What about the brown people in the middle east who control a lot of that. Chinese and Japenese are almost at war over an oil reserve between JApan and China. Keep believeing those lies it is only white people! I forgot that black leaders in Africa are like angels who don’t take advange of the those less fortunate and prevent people from recieving food by withholding aide. Ha! Keep on man! Also, I hate those rich racist white a-holes pf te past who put discrimination into practice, seperated neighborhoods which is evident today, who kept minorties (esp people down) and more!

  • Jake

    He’s half white, and should be referred to that way. Just like when I fill out a job application, I put multi racial….because I am. Just like referring to the president as black is wrong. Because he’s not black. He’s part black.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    That’s how it is. Athletes can only support certain causes (especially superstar athletes) without getting pulled back by sponsors or endorsement handlers. You won’t hear any of these superstar guys talk about Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan or any of those other places where people are getting killed daily.

  • Jake

    In what way am I racist? Please, give me some examples. I have said over and over again in this thread that people need to care for every single race the same. If that makes me racist then so be it.

  • goldenfour7

    I am not syaing that one or a few black person speaks for all black people. I making a point that it isnt just white people who agree with the verdict.
    Can you please back up our claim why you think this is about race and not jsut with your opinion? Can you do that?

  • Jake

    That’s what I was getting at, and it’s something that Berkamore and T keep ignoring. I don’t give anyone respect in the arena of racial issues until they address more than the ones that have to do with their specific race….yet somehow I’M the one being labeled a racist.

  • berkamore

    Yeah, but you can’t prove that. The answer is that we don’t know. Maybe he was killed because he was black then again maybe he wasn’t.

    If you make a statement like that, you should be ready to back it up. Otherwise, to quote the great philosopher Jeffrey Lebowski, it’s just, you know, your opinion, man.

  • goldenfour7

    Ha!

  • Jake

    Oh for sure, but I truly don’t believe it was the deciding factor in him being killed. And no one will ever know for sure what that deciding factor was, because no one else was there.

  • t

    I don’t have to justify black people caring about black issues. And no mother#cker, you don’t know what or who the f black people care about because you don’t know sh!t about us. And no, not a single black person on Earth has to explain or defend our priorities, cares or beliefs to little pricks on the internet who feel it’s their job to dictate to us what and who we should care about. Black people don’t owe you sh!t, little boy. And if your attitude here is any indication as to how you carry yourself in real life, I’m not curious as to why you and your brother got your @sses beat. I’d have knocked you the hell out too if you came into my neighborhood talking the kind of nonsense you’re talking on here. Who died an made you an authority who what black people should focus on?

  • robb

    oh man…forget it

  • Jake

    But don’t you agree that for people to make a blanket statement that he was killed for being black, they should have to back that statement up as well? I don’t care what race you are, if you say he was killed for being black, you should be able to back it up as well. Right?

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Nah, he’s not White with his mentality or racist. He wants to hear Black people discuss racism against others who, like us, are also seeing their people get treated pretty unfairly. We can disagree about how or why Martin was killed, but what’s clear is that Jake is pretty well-versed in history and he has a right to ask Black people why we can’t verbalize frustration with other people who are getting screwed in one way or another like us. That’s fair. It’s not even a country thing with Black people or others. There are Black people here who won’t say a word about Africa. Just like there are Black people here who think everything’s cool with us and there are no issues. It’s a worldwide issue with all people of color.

  • berkamore

    The President has African ancestry from his father………and his mother. (She also had black ancestors). LOL. (I know, its complicated)

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Which is sad because we only got one side of the story. And the prosecution sucked with trying to tell the other side. Just horrible. Leaves us with just ideas about what may have happened. And depending on your background and experiences, we all have different ideas about what really happened that night.

  • berkamore

    Did you read my post? I said the answer is WE DON’T KNOW.

  • Jake

    You’re the one talking nonsense. I didn’t specify that black people have to care about everyone, I said EVERYONE should care about everyone. Yes, that does include black people. The fact that you are so trigger happy to label me as a racist and use derogatory language towards me says more about you than it does me. You would have the same attitude no matter what racial background you have, and that’s just who you are. You act like you can relate to being a slave, and you can’t. You can’t relate to the Civil Rights movement any more than I can. You’re the exact same as every other person your age, and the moment you realize that is the moment you stop feeling that you are being targeted.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    I feel you.

  • t

    Like I told that little pr!ck, who is NOT well-versed on history,( you are obviously more easily impressed than I am), Black people being concerned about black issues in America is in no way shape or form a problem. He isn’t black so he doesn’t and never will truly know what black people are frustrated with. He’s making assumptions from the outside looking in and I can’t stomach that. I can’t stomach that and I can’t stomach black people who entertain people like him. I don’t need to justify black people’s focus on issues to outsiders. I don’t care who approves of what we are concerned with.

  • t

    Also, I don’t care whether or not you think he is racist. His comments made up my mind for me and your opinion doesn’t sway me one way or the other.

  • t

    I don’t care what your perspective is on the issue. Sorry.

  • Jake

    I know that, and I know that he also has other ancestry that is definitely NOT of African ancestry lol.

  • Jake

    The prosecutors were HORRIBLE! With a jury full of mothers, this should have been an open and shut case. They were either unprepared or intentionally let him walk because they feared what would happen to him in gen pop( which is an entirely different subject to breach).

  • Jake

    I’m not referring to you in particular. I’m referring to the droves of people who were leading riots. If you asked them why, I’m willing to bet about 85% wouldn’t say it was because of the ineptitude of the prosecution in proving a murder….they would say they were rioting a hate crime.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Being followed at night while you’re on the phone with your friend and trying to get home…that’s about the color of his skin. And the hoodie that he was wearing. Like his friend Rachel said, if he was going to start something with the guy, he would have hung up the phone and pursued him. Explain why Rachel told him to try to escape. If someone is trying to escape, it usually means they’re not trying to get into an altercation. Can’t do both at the same time.

    Either you see it or you don’t. It’s not an opinion. I don’t care how slow or fast he was walking or how much time he had to get home. He belonged there. He could have crawled home on his hands and knees and no one had a right to bother him or follow him. The kid was walking to a house where members of his family were. If dude was really a neighborhood watch guy, he should have pulled up to the kid and told him who he was and asked if he needed any help. That’s what neighborhood watch does (at least good neighborhood watch). The fact that he got out of his car after being told not to with a gun and followed the kid was wrong. There’s no justification for it.

    Back up the claim that Martin started it. The bruises on that grown man proves nothing except that there was a fight. So prove that Trayvon started it.

  • Jake

    It seems my last post didn’t publish, but if it does I apoligize for a double post. In summary, I wasn’t pointing you out, I was pointing to the rioters. 85% of them had no idea why they were there, or were there for the wrong reasons.

  • berkamore

    Yeah, you right about that. But isn’t this the country where there is the “one drop rule” ? One drop of black blood makes you black? I mean even South Africa in during the apartheid acknowledged biracial/multiracial ancestry. Just saying……LOL.

    It’s funny but when I was doing phone work for the Obama campaign, it was one of my rebuttals.

    “But, but, he’s black…..”
    “No Mam, he’s biracial and he was brought up in a “white” household”
    “Ok, in that case………….”

    It was kind of sick but we had an election to win. LOL.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Felt sorry for Trayvon’s family. Seemed like they put a lot of trust in the prosecution and they were a little too relaxed and unprepared to me.

  • t

    First off I’m older than you. Secondly, yes I can relate to the Civil Rights movement a hell of a lot more than you can because my damn parents were amongst those hosed down, beaten by police and thrown in jail during that movement. I’ve also worked with the ACLU for a long damn time. In the coming months, when I pass the bar, I will be working as an attorney for the ACLU on more civil rights issues. You and I are not the same. Our life experiences is not the same. Our history is not the same. Our present is not the same. You don’t get to tell me what to feel, when to feel it, or why I should or shouldn’t feel something. We have nothing in common.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    It is a problem because any Black leader who’s worth anything has always been extremely concerned about what’s going on in other places not named the U.S. If you have an issue with that, then you have an issue with MLK and Malcolm X. And you sitting here acting like you’re the ultimate Black spokesperson is extremely foolish if you disagree with those two. Especially Malcolm. You don’t speak for any Black person but yourself. Don’t act like you’re here representing anyone…but yourself. So it’s not a “we” thing. It’s you.

    Today’s leaders who appear on TV mostly are soft and shortsighted compared to those who came before them. And those who came before them, as I said, were vocal about issues like Vietnam. Who is really going to claim to be a Black representative but doesn’t know a thing about what’s going on with other oppressed people in other countries? Can’t take them seriously and you shouldn’t be taken seriously.

  • Jake

    I know lots of people that do think that way, yeah. It’s just crazy that in this day and age race even has to be mentioned. The level of racial oppression and division these days is NOTHING compared to what our ancestors dealt with. The fact that people will still vote for someone because of his background instead of his politics is one of the most enraging things I’ve dealt with as an adult. I also worked on the president’s campaign (the last one) and I can’t tell you how many people brought up is race as an issue either voting for or against him. I don’t think they should even show a picture of the candidates until the race is completely over. Surprise, you just got an Afghani president!

  • t

    I don’t respect blacks who criticize black leaders and people to those who hate them any way. Besides you earning brownie points, what are you trying to accomplish? What productivity can come from it? Even if your criticism is warranted, and I don’t agree with you even a tiny bit, what’s the point?

    It’s like when you have a few people in your family that you really don’t like or get along with, and some outsider starts bashing your family member. As much as I can’t stand certain family members, no outsider could ever get the satisfaction of hearing me talk about someone in my family. I take the same stance when it comes to issues within my community. Why should I discuss internal stuff with outsiders who need to get their own sh!t together.

    The problem here is the hypocrisy. This Jake kid thinks that he’s in a position to criticize another race. He should be going door to door to his neighbors asking them to let go of their own bigotry. People of color in this country have been discriminated against since it’s birth, yet so many whites are the resentful ones. Get your own house in order before you start looking through my windows.

  • That Dude

    You guys are all dumbfucks – You can be Mexican and white at the same time you know… Mexican is a nationality, white is a race.

  • Jake

    If we’re pointing fingers, it’s probably the Romans and Macedonians we should be blaming for a lot of the problems involving imperialism…Or the Mongolians, or the Byzantine Empire, or the Egyptians, or the Inca, or the Aztec, or the Portuguese, or the Spaniards, or the Dutch, or the French, or the British. Not just “Europe”.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Exactly what do you know about Black on Black slavery that he mentioned? What do you know about Blacks participating in the slave trade themselves by trading their own people? If you don’t know much about them, then it’s stupid for you to say he’s not well-versed in history as I said he is. You’re out here on your own. And again, you don’t speak for anyone but yourself. There’s not a Black human rights or civil rights leader who would read what you’re saying and agree with you.

    This man is half Native American and you are here saying he’s a white racist. This man said his family was forced to change their last name and you’re here saying he’s a white racist. This man’s people were killed off on their own land and you’re here saying he’s a white racist. Makes absolutely no sense.

  • robb

    No doubt. Racial profiling had EVERYTHING to do with Martin getting murdered. I bet 1000 dlls Zimmerman wouldn’t have acted the way he did towards a white kid. He tried to act like a tough cop getting his hands on a “black criminal”

  • t

    First off, let us remember who started this dialogue between us. If you noticed all afternoon I didn’t co-sign one damn comment you made because I don’t care for your perspective. And no, I’m not going to sit here and go back and forth with you about black leaders on a website frequented by @ssholes like jake and that goldenwhever fool because this isn’t a appropriate forum for that. I would never give them the satisfaction. Bottom line, just know that I don’t agree with your opinions and your position and I don’t particularly respect how you respond to these racists. I don’t care whether or not you like what I’m saying either.

  • Jake

    We aren’t both humans living in America in the 21′st century? Cause, there’s 3 things in common right there. If you’re working for the ACLU you should care about every racial issue, instead of focusing just on the ones that concern your particular background. I’m sure they would be interested to see the things you’re saying. You’re no more a victim of racial inequality than I am a slave owner. As I stated before, you don’t know anything about my background, history or life experiences. Yet somehow, you find it pertinent to label me a racist and call me out for a reason unbeknownst to me when the statements you’re making towards me are unable to be backed by any kind of tangible evidence.

  • Jake

    You still haven’t said what makes us racist.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Ehh…I don’t respect you for not being smart enough to read just a few books to understand what a real leader does and how a real leader thinks. So I don’t care about you not respecting me for criticizing these soft leaders who aren’t half of what King and X were if that’s what you were trying to say. Your respect isn’t worth all that much.

    If you were smart, you’d see that Jake is simply saying that every group of people who are being treated badly deserve to have attention paid to them. And if anyone should be paying attention, it’s those who know what it’s like to be treated that way…Black people.

    Jake isn’t an outsider. If you’re serious about oppression, then he is in the family because his people were killed off and diseased. If you can’t identify with that as a Black man whose ancestors were thrown off slave ships into the water, you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • t

    Again, You are talking to a WELL-READ, WELL TRAVELED black man. I know a hell of a lot more than either of unless you’ve spent as much or more time in the places I have. My knowledge comes from the sources. How much time have you spent in West Africa? How much time have you spent in China? I won’t even mention degrees because my bachelor’s from UPenn in history meant sh!t to me the moment I got out into the world and got the info for myself. So take your easily impressed, Westernized nonsense and shove it because neither that white boy nor you can sit with me and really say you’ve seen what I’ve seen. And BTW, Malcolm himself would have been in full agreement with my perspective, since it was his perspective who had such a great influence on mine.

  • Jake

    I’m curious to know why you are such a separatist if you’re working for the ACLU, since they are all about integration. It would seem like a conflict of interest.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Jake and golden dude aren’t the same. At all. The point is Jake isn’t racist. I’d challenge you to learn what that term means, read Jake’s responses with a clear mind and rethink your position.

  • Jake

    He’s not even a cop though. He’s a neighborhood watch security guard who shouldn’t have been armed in the first place. That’s the real issue here.

  • t

    You don’t know what my concerns are other than the ones I’ve shared here. I’m not quite sure what makes you think you’re in a position to dictate to me what they are or should be.

    Your initial comment said more than enough for me. That comment alone shaped my view of you.

    And don’t you ever in your f9cking life tell me what I’ve been through. You don’t know sh!t about what types of inequalities I’ve faced. From high school to college to the other night coming home from work I’m still dealing with racial profiling you young, dumb know-it-all. Don’t you ever tell me what I’ve been through or what I go through. In your stupid, sheltered mind you really think you know what other people deal with because you’re dumb enough to think we live in a post racial world.. You really believe that you have a clue about someone’s experiences and it makes me laugh that you are dumb enough to even fixed your fingers to write what you did.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Nothing Westernized about me. You think that just because I don’t call him a “white boy” that my thinking is influenced by the West? As for the “white boy” comment…let’s look at this quote from Malcolm:

    “I believe in recognizing every human being as a human being–neither white, black, brown, or red; and when you are dealing with humanity as a family there’s no question of integration or intermarriage. It’s just one human being marrying another human being or one human being living around and with another human being.”

    Humanity. Meaning being concerned with every human being. You need to check yourself. Educate yourself more on Malcolm’s full life.

  • t

    I challenge you to get out into the world, live what I lived, read what I’ve read, go to where I’ve gone. Then and only then will you be in a position to challenge me about anything at all related to that word or the experiences frequently attached to it.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Post the sentence that makes Jake a racist to you.

  • t

    You need to check yourself. Don’t talk to me about Malcolm. I don’t need to some Alex Haley reading, turn the other cheek kid talking to me about Malcom.

  • robb

    Oh man c’mon, during the phone call Zimmerman said: “These guys always get away”… “They @ssholes always get away,”… “These f*cking punks…”

    He assumed Trayvon was a criminal. Why? He wasn’t committing any crime, then what did he mean by “these @ssholes” these @ssholes who???

    Think

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    I don’t need some fake Black spokesperson talking to me about Malcolm.

  • Jake

    You do realize that you’re doing the exact thing that you’re accusing me of doing right? That’s hypocritical in and of itself. You’ll never become a part of a productive society until you put your personal past behind you and start being concerned with the problems of the world as a whole.

  • t

    Dude, spare me. You are on an internet forum. My comment point went over your head. Just drop it. Like, you literally didn’t grasp a fraction of the tiny point I was making, so no I’m not interested in conversing with you on this subject matter anymore. Not even a little bit. Jake is an outsider. Period. And agrees 100% with with that golden pr!ck, so I make no distinction between the two. It’s funny because Teddy the Bear has a better understanding of all of this than you do and he’s not even black. He’s just wiser.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Your points aren’t really all that profound. From what I read, and correct me if I’m wrong, your first comment to him included the term “dumb redneck”…so where did that come from and how did he end up being called racist after you threw that term at him? You’re a flatout idiot regardless of your degrees or where you’ve been. Shoot, George Bush traveled a lot of places and came back as dumb as he was before he left. So that’s not impressive to me.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out to the Illuminati.

  • t

    I didn’t intend to. We didn’t read the same books, speak to the same older folks, visit the same places. I’d never dream of initiating that convo with you, especially in a forum like this. That was you who brought him up, homie. I don’t have these conversations on basketball websites, and I don’t have them with black folks who are into mainstream versions of the stories of black leaders. That was all you, buddy.

  • t

    His entire initial comment. I don’t have to repost it.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Hilarious. Explain why you reached for that “redneck” term without any provocation.

  • t

    I don’t give a f what you think I’ll become, little boy. I’m already accomplished. That just keeps progressing. I’m educated. You think that your opinion has any effect on my destiny? That’s some arrogant sh!t if I ever read it. You don’t even understand how insignificant your opinion is.

    I don’t care about your approval. I’m living my life and nothing you feel matters. I don’t care to educate your ignorant @ss, either. I’ve been doing just fine letting your type know to stay the f out of my way for many years now.

  • t

    Neither is your lack of experience. Do you really think anything you feel affects what I’ve done or seen in my life? Do you think I cared enough about your perspective to initiate dialogue with you? You think that just because I felt it necessary to tell those two morons how stupid they were, that I was interested in exchanging thoughts with you? Like I said before, I’m quick to co-sign a point I agree with, so trust me when tell you that my silence on your comments was saying everything I felt about your perspective.

  • The Seed

    Don’t like it. My opinion.

  • Solomon

    Don’t like you. My opinion.

  • Jake

    What’s the point of working for a civil rights based organization if you don’t care about anyone other than yourself? What are you honestly going to accomplish? You’ve just got a chip on your shoulder, for some reason unbeknownst to me. I haven’t said one disrespectful thing to you during the entirety of this conversation and you keep throwing barbs like I’m declaring war on you and your family.

    It’s also really sad that you don’t value other people’s opinions. There’s probably not much you could educate me on, considering your lack of tact and knowledge on the subjects we’ve been discussing. If you truly care about society, you’d actually take the time to civilly and intelligently discuss the things that make you so angry. I guess your ignorance truly is blissful though, so I can’t take that from you.

  • t

    You don’t know what I care about other than what I shared with you here. STFU and shove your assumptions. People like you talk too much and know too little. You live in a bubble. Your world is too small for me to even attempt to justify myself to you. You and anyone else who doesn’t have an affect on my day to day life can swallow your opinions. They don’t matter. Is saying it really such a bad thing when it would be true whether I typed it or not? You know only what I post here. Don’t infer. You’ve demonstrated that you aren’t smart enough to do it correctly. I’m laughing at you. The only thing you know about who I value and what I value is what I’ve commented on here. Don’t try to guess who and what I don’t care about. You make too many dumb assumptions, and that can only come from a person who hasn’t really lived.

    As I’ve said, unless your passport looks like mine, or you’ve been educated outside of this country on the places you laughably tried to talk to me about, just stop. I don’t care what knowledge you think you’ve gained from your Western textbooks. I don’t consider you a worthy person to discuss global issues with. You don’t even know what people are going through right here in the States.

  • Jake

    I live in a bubble? I’ve lived in 12 different states and countries including Canada(very diverse), India, Tanzania, Latvia, Panama, Bolivia, Haiti and England, and traveled to every state but Alaska and North Dakota. I would hardly call that living in a bubble. You don’t know who or what I value either, other than what I’ve commented about in this thread, and I made multiple suggestions that I don’t care about the race of a person, I treat them all the same. You’re the one that started making generalizations, talking about your Penn State education and work with the ACLU like it makes you some kind of glorified modern day Malcom X. He’d be ashamed of you.

    Also, I never mentioned once my educational background, so you’re the one making assumptions…again, probably due to your bitterness towards the world. I know that there are millions of people starving every day under our own noses, and there is genocide taking place across the world, while you are busy calling people racist.

  • t

    A) You don’t know sh!t about Malcolm, and don’t let your black guy co-sign make you think that you do. B) It’s UPenn, not Penn State. Besides, I already made it very clear what I felt about that degree after I left the country for a while. U.S education teaches Western slanted lies. C) If you traveled even half as much as you’ve claimed then you should be ashamed of your inability, or lack of capacity, to fully comprehend the fact that you cannot dictate to another person their own personal experiences based on your own. You somehow managed to link what you’ve never experienced or see with my own life. That was more than enough to make me dismiss all view points espoused by you on this subject matter. If for no other reason you cannot understand why I don’t take you seriously, understand that one.

  • Jake

    You took me saying that black America should care about every social issue, not just their own as an insult…because you don’t care about other social issues that don’t involve you. I also said that every other race should do the same. You do realize that every single country on the face of this planet teaches the history that conveniently paints them the prettiest, right? Do you think England glorifies the fact that they conquered a quarter of the known world and enslaved millions of people for centuries? Nope. Do you think the schools in the Ivory Coast or Liberia like to talk about the fact that they enslaved their own people for hundreds of years after the slave trade ended in America? Nope. Do you think that the Chinese teach their students about murdering millions of their own people while building their empire? No, they don’t. If you hate America, or specifically white America as you so pointedly talk about, why don’t you move somewhere more cozy…like the Sudan?

    Truth is, you probably know nothing more about social injustices than the rest of the people in this world, you just like to toot your own horn with an inflated sense of self pride that comes from years of you thinking that hate and self righteousness somehow makes you a better person.

    I’ll leave you with a question. You encounter 5 homeless people on the street. One Asian, one white, one black, one hispanic and one of middle-eastern descent. Which one do you help? I don’t even care if you post the answer in this thread, but let the answer that first pops into your head marinate for a little while. Truth is that you, like 99.99% of the world has some changing that you can do in regards to issues that affect the entire world. Whether or not you care enough to change is up to you. Good night.

  • robb

    That’s pretty racist man and pretty inaccurate too.

  • mike

    College degree my friend. What i would like to express is imagination, creativity and the possibility of a scenario that would be in his favor. If one was guilty of a crime, and the person’s life was at stake ( zimmerman ) it is very much possible to fabricate a story that would a paint a picture of innocence, Zimmermans story of how it all went about had inconsitencies , and little evidence to prove it .

  • goldenfour7

    No, you c’mom! Do you see what you are doing? You are applying your own meaning to his words when you do not that to be the case! You are simply making assumptions yourself. You could be correct, but you could also be very wrong! Do you have access to Zimmerman’s mind and heart to know what he was meaning by saying “These guys always get away”… “They @ssholes always get away,”… “These f*cking punks…”?
    You make the bold statement that Zimmerman assumed Trayvon was a criminal. Zimmerman stated he was suspicous of Martin because he was standing in the yard of someone he knew who Im had called into police before about a possible breakin. Zim states MArtin was looking at the house, looking around and was in no rush to get out of the rain which he felt was odd. That is the reason Zim gave to police in the police interview the night of the shooting and his reasoning the next day when ZIm conducted a reenactment of the previous night explaining his route, thoughts and actions, which is on youtube for you and others to view if you chose to look at that evidence.
    Why don’t you THINK! WHat would you do if you knew someone who had their home almost broken into and someone was on their yard on a raining night looking at their house and looking around? You honestly tell me you wouldn’t be suspicous when you knew the person standing in the yard looking at house did not live there? Not to mention the house next door and a couple houses down had also been broken into before, which is on police record!
    THINK! What is wrong with people standing up for their neighbors and being on edge when people’s homes keep getting broken into in that area?

  • goldenfour7

    If we are ALL dumfucks, then why did you reply to me and no one else?

  • goldenfour7

    There ar emany white kids who go missing as well and I cannot not name them off the top of my head! If anyone is racist for you ignoring valid information and taking Martin’s side simply bc he is black! I actually at one thought Zimmerman was totally wrong, but once I looked at the vidence, just as the jurors did, I am came to the conclusion that he is neither guilty or innocent. You act like I am saying Zim is totally innocent when I am not!

  • goldenfour7

    You mean people like Happy who don’t know how to control themselves and if you give them an opinion they do not like they feel it necessary to threatne and beat you up? You mean those people? And you have the nerve to call me a bully? I am just calling you all out on the ASSUMPTIONS you all are making and you have no evidence to back up your claims! How is that being a bully? Please, tell me berkamore!

  • goldenfour7

    And you know this how? Let me guess, you ASSUMPTION which you cannot seem to back up other making more assumptions to Zimmerman’s words by applying what you and others think he meant! Think about that!

  • goldenfour7

    So you know for 100% certainity what was in Zimmerman’s mind and heart that night? I doubt you do! Just keep guessing and making assumptions to things you have no way of backing up you lame assumptions! Pathetic! Amaing how some people do not like assumptions made about them, butthey have no problem dishing them out to others claiming they know whow they think and know their thought process! NOT once has Zimmerman said he was suspicous of MArtin bc he was black and wearing a hoodie. Until he says so, you are making assumptions! You do know what assumptions are?

  • goldenfour7

    What is sad is that you totally ignore that side of the story. Closed minded aren’t we? You have to atleast hear it but you won’t even do that! SMH

  • goldenfour7

    Open and shut case? For which Side? Zimmerman’s side. The main issue was no eye witnesses to who started the scuffle which led to Zimmerman claiming self defense by shooting Martin.HArd to prove or disprove his word.

  • goldenfour7

    I also feel sorry for Trayvon’s family for having to go through this. However, the prosecution had little to go off of. All of their arguments were based off assumptions and assumptions are simply guesses. You need facts and evidence to back up your claim, something no one can do for MArtin’s side and that is why the verdict is what it is.

  • goldenfour7

    You are clearly racist towards white people! You only keep the hate alive! Do you know what a red neck is and where the term originally comes from? You seem to be an expert on race relations with your name calling and only mentioning the negative side of white people and with you generaliations. You do know generaliations are an invalid thought process. You love to call me racist but not once have i said or belive I am better than you or anyone else who is another color than me.

  • goldenfour7

    You are getting your information from Wikipedia? Anyone in academia would laugh in your face! HA! Anyone can add stuff to wikipedia and it is NOT a valid source of information! Learn to do research, man! Just because stuff is on the internet does nOT make it real and valid!

  • goldenfour7

    t makes them feel better about themselves and make them feel like they have power to call some a racist when they do not have access to your mind and heart. It is sad!

  • goldenfour7

    They are on tv and in the news. They are too often called traitors and Uncle Toms by some in the black community. Yeah, there is a reason alright! t brings that to light with his message below by saying “I don’t respect blacks who criticize black leaders and people to those who hate them any way.”

  • goldenfour7

    Well said!

  • goldenfour7

    Why do not you comment on me as well. He called me racist when he doesn’t know one thing about me with what is in my heart and mind and if I was soooo racist, I would have dropped the N-bomb along time ago and spewed off a bunch of racist propaganda like he did.

  • goldenfour7

    What college degree? Pheonix University does not count?
    No evidence you say? How about the evidence of bruises to the fron and back of Zim’s head and a broken nose. How about th evidence of his phone call which indicated that MArtin walked away and came back to Zim. How about the evidence that MArtin’s friend told him to go home, but MArtin refused to.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dude are you f*cking stupid? The reason this Trayvon Martin case got so much coverage is because it REPRESENTS all the other times black people have been killed by white people. One black person is murdered by the police the or by a self-appointed vigilante every 28 hours in this country–this is state-sanctioned violence. People calling you “white boy” when you play basketball is NO equivalent to that.

    Typical of dumb@ss crackers like you to make this all about YOU and your stupid white feels. Like people calling you cracker is at all comparable to black people being shot and killed and denied basic human rights.

    Get the f*ck out of here with your bullsh!t. The 29 people who thumbed your comment up are idiots. F*cking cracker.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Chances are you made up the stupid @ss story about your “half-white” brother and you’re a closet Nazi. Shut the f*ck up.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dude, Zimmerman was half-PERUVIAN and half-Jewish. Not a Mexican. LMAO. You just outted yourself as a complete f*cking idiot and the racist I pegged you as from the beginning. Thanks for making it easy, you stupid cracker.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Testing… does this stay at the top?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m leaving this here so hopefully it stays at the top of this thread. Holy cow there is a lot of stupidity floating around here…

    Seriously Jake, are you f*cking stupid? The reason this Trayvon Martin case got so much coverage is because people HAD TO PROTEST FOR OVER A MONTH just to get Zimmerman brought up on charges! Before that he wasn’t even ARRESTED for his crime, and NO media outlets paid any attention to this case.

    Furthermore, this Trayvon Martin case REPRESENTS all the other times black people have been killed by white people through racial violence. You are seriously a f*cking idiot if you think some white guy following, stalking, and murdering an unarmed black kid isn’t “racially motivated”.

    One black man, woman or child is murdered by the police or by a self-appointed vigilante every 28 hours in this country. This is literally state-sanctioned violence. There is NO equivalent to that against white people, and for f*ck’s sake, people calling you “white boy” when you play basketball is NO equivalent either.

    But, typical of you shameless f*cking crackers, you have to make this all about YOU and your white feelings. Like people calling you cracker is at all comparable to black people being shot and killed and denied basic human rights.

    Get the f*ck out of here with that bullsh!t, you stupid cracker.

    PS: For the last time, Zimmerman is half-Peruvian but he SELF-IDENTIFIES AS WHITE AND THE STATE VIEWS HIM AS WHITE. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK F*CKING SKULL. Had he murdered a white child, he would be tried as the “Mexican” you think he is. Meaning, they would fry his @ss in prison and the media, FOX News, etc. would be talking about how dangerous Latinos immigrants are and why we should crack down “illegal aliens”. Also, just btw, Peru is not Mexico you clueless f*cking idiot.

    PPS: No, not all white people are crackers. Cracker connotes actions and beliefs of certain white people only (also there’s no anti-white power structure to reinforce any “racism” in that word). That being said, if you have no idea what racism means, but still feel the need to highjack threads on actual racial injustice and then derail them with your goddamn feelings and “personal experiences” THAT NOBODY GIVES A SH!T ABOUT… you might be a cracker.

    PPPS: Pretty sure you made up that story about your “half-white” brother. And even if you didn’t, that changes nothing about ACTUAL RACISM. Why do you goddamn crackers think you know what racism is more than the millions of people who experience it on a daily basis??? What makes you qualified to speak about racism other than the fact that you benefit from it?

    PPPPS: For all the closet Nazis creeping SLAMonline every time someone shows solidarity to Trayvon, please do the world a favor and f*cking k!ll yourselves.

    PPPPPS: Apparently the newest form of racism is denying that racism exists, and/or claiming “reverse racism” when people of color call whites out for being racist. In the minds of stupid crackers (and brainwashed POC), calling someone a racist is worse than someone ACTUALLY BEING RACIST AND HOLDING RACIST VIEWS. Get the f*ck out of here with that bullsh!t. All you stupid @ss, equivocating little closet, color-blind, liberal, and/or in-denial racists can go f*ck yourselves.

  • CCT

    You sound worse than the “cracker” racists you are trying to vilify, Teddy.

    Eboy

  • The Seed

    Why put your sons out like that, when the case was a wash from the beginning. The prosecution messed up, this should have been involuntary manslaughter, then he would have gotten jail time. Defense had no argument about that, but they did not with that he shot him on purpose and witnessess and police felt he didn’t shoot him on purpose. That’s why he was walking around as a free man and made a video with the police where he showed he was cool under pressure. Wade needs to do his research and not just act like it was all Zimmerman. Even though Trayvon is a kid, from reports he did not react in the right way, which led to him being shot. I work with at-risk kids, some of the worst ones are the innocent looking ones, not the ones with dreads and tatoos up the yi yang. Let one of you so called tough slamononline commenters step up to them, you better have something or you need to run. Case was a wash, I told everyone before it started he would get off. Blame the prosecution team, Zimmerman proved in a court of law, it was self defense, even though he did try to confront the boy. People have confronted me that are racist when I was a boy and I am black, but my parents taught me to handle myself in a good fashion no matter if people have malice in their heart. Its not what goes into a man that defiled a man, it whats comes out the mouth that defiled a man. AKA, Riley Cooper-now he will say and do whatever to stay on team, when he should not even be in the league. TO would run circles around him at 40. Cooper, see this is more sad,because he told America I hate people and Eagles organization stated he is more important to the team with 23 catches last year, than making him really do training on diversity or suspend him for PRESEASON GAMES. Thanks Solomon

  • goldenfour7

    Why is that? Because you did not want to spend much time looking at what ar ethe facts and evidence of this case and formed an opinion off of your emotions?

  • goldenfour7

    So you will admit to reading racist black literature? Ha! DO you consider yourself open minded, bc you come across as closed minded.

  • goldenfour7

    Way to be a separatist! Don’t come back complaining that white peole do not care about issues in the black community if we took you advice on keeping our mouths shut like you suggest.

  • goldenfour7

    I am white and I do not view black people or anyone else as “outsiders”. Again, it sounds like you are a closed minded person who has created their own bubble by only leting certain (black) info in while ignoring/omitting other forms of info or perspective.

  • goldenfour7

    Are you serious with the George Bush comments?! I was not a fan of Bush and I voted for Obama, but I am sure people can create a video montage of Obama’s dumb moments and make him look to be stupid, which there those videos. Some in the media made it a their sole intent to show BUsh in a negative light as much as possible. I am sure if you were recored all the time when you spoke, you would sound pretty stupid as well!

  • goldenfour7

    Ha! Appearantly you are too silent bc you keep going back to Ishmael!

  • berkamore

    Yawn………..kind of predictable. Attacking the source…..boring.

    Are you saying the information in the article is all wrong? So tell us YOUR version of what happened. I might even frame it because it will probably be priceless. LOL.

  • berkamore

    You are trolling. That much is clear. And I am sure that goldenfour7, Jake and Ishmael Jenkins are the SAME person. Your writing style kind of gave you away.

    Listen, I would love to be here with you and buttfuck flies all day but life is short. You WIN, now you can go back to whatever it is you do to fill your days. LOL.

  • goldenfour7

    How do you know the information in the articles is correct and who wrote them? Are they reliable sources. Anything can look legit, but it doesn’t mean that it is. That is what is taught in proper research. Wikipedia is a decent source to BEGIN something, but it is not to be taken seriously. Even college professors no matter what skin color they are will till you wikipedia is NOT a reliable source of information. So YES, I will attack THIS source.

  • goldenfour7

    Are you INSANE to think Jake and Ishmael are the SAME person. Why is that? Again, another person who makes a wild accusation with NO proof to their claim! So two people from different backgrounds cannot come to an agreeness and a person who is the same color as another cannot disgree with each other? Wow! Your line of thinking is MESSED UP! Ha!
    Funy with the “buttfuck flies” insult! Ha! People like you crack me up!

  • JD

    I don’t know who is dumber: Dwyane Wade for getting involved in politics or the people arguing on this post.

  • robb

    That’s no reason for a wannabe cop to harass and follow someone who wasn’t committing a crime. You call the cops and get out of the way. You don’t start following a black kid out of suspicion. Even the police department told him: “are you following him? we don’t need you to do that” but he ignored them. Imagine you are a 17 year old kid and a guy starts following you. You freak out, cause you don’t know his intentions. Trayvon decided to confront the guy and we all know what happened next.

  • robb

    Lol I’m not assuming anything it’s all there. Let’s get real, Zimmerman just got away with murder because of the stand your ground law, but he provoked the whole situation and killed an unarmed 17 year old kid, those are not assumptions, those are facts. Look, I realise you are a smart guy who obviously likes to form his own opinion, which is great, but I think you’re being way too naive man.

  • Bruce Wayne

    Just stop for a second, and examine your own words about your experience. While the way you and your brother were treated wasn’t right, try to understand WHY the people in that predominantly black neighborhood view most whites the way that they do.

    The ONLY people that try to claim racism against blacks is overblown, are people that aren’t black. You have to go to a predominantly black neighborhood to experience that type of treatment? Well how about getting that treatment from all kinds of people ALL over the WORLD, simply because your skin is darker than theirs.

    Racism is not something that affects only blacks, but in my lifetime, the type of hate, stereotypes, poor treatment, etc that people have to deal with just because their skin is darker, FAR outweighs what I have seen other races have to deal with. That’s my opinion, through my eyes, but I can guarantee that sentiment would be a recurring theme if you got a chance to talk to a thousand different people that have dark brown skin. That type of treatment over time, would make ANYONE bitter and disillusioned, and also make them resent the people that treat them like that on a constant basis.

    It’s not right to label all white people or whatever group as racists, but with the way society is constructed, there is a HUGE imbalance in terms of the power structure, and they way different people are viewed/treated in society.

    Knowledge is power..the best think to do is talk to as many different people as possible about their experiences..

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Maybe you’re mad that I was describing you to an extent?

  • goldenfour7

    So what is it now, a person of one color can only be suspicous of others only if they are the same color? That is seperatist thinking.
    You are still assuming why Zimmerman was suspicous of Martin. Did Zim say anything like “I hate these N*gg*rs”, “these N*gg*ers always get away”, “he looks suspicous bc he is black and wearing a hoodie”? Did Zim say any of those things? If anyone applied race to this it was MArtin when he called Zim a “creepy a$$ cr@cker” to his friend on the phone.

    I like how you mention the Stand Your Ground Law. Guess what? it wasn’t used in this trial. Self Defense was used.

    Also, I am not trying to be a smart @ss about this and I am not taking Zimmerman’s side. I just trying point out to people who they are basing their opinion off of assumptions. They could be right in their assumption that Zim profiled MArtin bc of the color of his skin and what he was wearing. I even have seen comments from some of Zim’s supporters who agree in the sense that all of the reported burglaries in that neighborhood were the result of young black males. However, that is an assumption on a lot of peoples part bc Zim himself has NEVER said that was the case. Many in the media ran with this bc it is a hot button topic in this country and it has been proven to get peoples atention. It is called SENSATIONALISM and I have even seen comments from black people who believe this was all stirred up by the media to stir the pot and sell their ads.
    Also, Zim is a guy who mentored two black children and Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer. Zimmerman made this statement (which is on record) againt the officer, “I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line.I’d like to know what action the commission is taking in order to repeal Mr. Tooley’s pension. I’m not asking you to repeal his pension; I believe he’s already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up in corruption in what happened in his department.”

  • CCT

    To what extent? Aren’t you of Asian decent of some form? What the f*ck do you know about ANY white/black issue? You have your own racial problems to contend with…from whites AND blacks among others. Trying to lump everyone from a particular race or religion into the “sh*thead” category of said group, just makes you sound like an intellectually corrupt idiot. But keep trying to prove your point to no one.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    To a huge extent it seems. Thanks for revealing that. And nope, try harder. European colonialism created modern racism, which is white supremacy.

    There’s no equals sign between white and black people (or other POC) when it comes to “white/black” problems.

    Race isn’t the only issue but it’s a big one that’s also tied into class and gender power dynamics. Refusing to acknowledge the onesided nature of racism as it actually exists SYSTEMICALLY, is not how you contend with racial problems.

  • Datkid

    Everything that needs to be said to your F*ckboy @ss has already been said. but I’d just like to add that I better never seen you in person because I will gladly punch every single ounce of white privilege out of you.

  • goldenfour7

    You cannot handle that I am correct that a lot of people are making the assumption that Zimmerman profiled MArtin on the basis of his skin color and what he was wearing when they have no proof to their claim other than a non-black person (Zim) followed and killed (in self defense) a black person (Martin). So what is it now? A person must not be suspicous of someone who is another color than them bc it is not politically correct to do so? im has NEVER said he was suspiocous of Martin bc of his skin color and what Martin was wearing. Zim said it was bc of MArtin’s ACTIONS and the significance of MArtin standing in the yard of someone Zimerman who the owner was, that the house had previous been called into police about a possible breakin and Martin looking at the house in the rain and looking around.

  • Datkid

    but your wrong you pompous F*CK. Do you honestly think that he was really scared of Martin bc he was looking at the house? That’s not even the important part. the important part is that an innocent minor is dead for no reason. the fact that you defend it is absolutely disgusting. Slam should ban you. I only wish that you were near me so I could beat dog sh*t out of you myself. I honestly wish someone shot you in the chest.

  • goldenfour7

    First of all, I do not think I am high and and mighty with you calling me a ” pompous F*CK”! I am not trying to be d*ck and piss people off. It am tired of seeing far too many people on here and other sites and hear out and about the ASSUMPTIONS people are making on BOTH sides of the argument in regard to this case and sad and unfortunate situation.

    Second, Zim never said he was scared of Martin bc Martin was looking at the house. Zim said he thought he looked SUSPICOUS based on MArtin’s behavior and odd how Martin was in no rush to get out of the rain.

    You say the most important part in all of this is “that an innocent minor is dead for no reason.” I agree that it is sad and unfortunate Martin died that nighta nd I wish for a different outcome, but there is a reason why Martin is dead. Based on evidence, Martin is dead bc he was hitting Zim, beating his head against the ground, and if what Zim says is true, went after Zim’s gun and told Zim he was going to die that night. Again, I said IF what Zim says is true in regard to how Martin wen tafter Zim’s gun and threatened him wiht his life. Due to no eye witnesses no one can make a judgment call on that. Not me or you! Anything thought of you and I is simply a guess which we do not know if it is true or not.

    You say, “the fact that you defend it is absolutely disgusting. Slam should ban you”. You know is absolutely disgusting? People like you who act and think they know what was in Zim’s heart and mind that night when they do not have a shed of proof to their claim and wild accusations. They argue it is solely based on race, but hae no proof to their claim other than a non-black person got in a scuffle w/ a black person and killed them. Question…why do you care s much about this case? Do you care when a black person kills a non-black person, when a white kills another white or when a black kills another black person? Why so much interest in this case? because the media made it into a racial issue when they had no proof to their cliam?
    It is also disgusting you want me banned from this site because I bothered to look at the evidence and what is known vs unknown and I have a different view on this subject. Closed minded, aren’t we?! You on the other hand make assumptions about what you THINK happened. Life either works in one or two ways…you either you know or you do not know, it either happened or it did not. There is NO would of’s, should of’s, could’s or I THINK I know what happened but I am unsure.

  • Datkid

    I don’t care what you think b*tch. I will beat the f*ck out of you. Your tired of assumptions? I’m tired of you falling for Zimmerman’s lies. and Race affects everyone’s judgement whether you like it or not. Trayvon had the right to defend himself against a gun toting maniac who was following him at night… a right you don’t care about bc your a racist @ss. LMAO @ “they both contributed to their own demise” as if the fact that some kid was walking in the rain means he deserves to be gunned down by a maniac. As if the fact that he beat a guy up because he was confronted means that he deserved to die. I really do hope you die in the most painful way possible. I hope you experience the hurt the martins have had to endure somehow, so that you can empathize with them, bc really you can justify whatever you want until somebody kills your kid.

  • goldenfour7

    I see why you have ‘kid’ in you name bc you are acting like a little child who throws a tantrum if they do not get their way and/or when someone doesn’t agree with them. Ha!
    Also, I do not for know for 100% sure if Zimmerman is telling the truth. You keep thinking I beleive every word out of his mouth when that is not the case. Why do you want me to automatically not take his word? I didn’t base my judgment on race, but ACTIONS! You keep thinking in your thick head that I am happy Martin is dead when that is not the case. I have repeatedly said it is a sad and unfortunate situation I wish never happened but it did. There are murders everyday and that is a sad part of life. I ask you, what is wrong with you?! You need to seek serious mental evaluation with your closed mindedness!

  • Jeff Jackson

    You are a moron… The reason why Zimmerman was not arrested immediately is because all of the evidence pointed to his innocence and he could not be held. Further, all the rioting and protesting did was get a state/police dept to file bogus charges that were again proved insufficient in court. Get a clue MORON…

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