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Monday, August 12th, 2013 at 11:40 am  |  264 responses

LeBron James Motivated by Rival Teams’ Offseason Moves


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

Despite an exhausting postseason run to a second consecutive championship, and a very busy summer schedule, it didn’t take long for LeBron James to get back in the gym.

The Miami Heat superstar says he was motivated by the moves made around the NBA during the offseason, and he’s prepared to defend his team‘s back-to-back titles.

Per the Sun-Sentinel:

“I’ve been back in the gym for a few weeks now, going at it,” James said. “I’ve seen what so many teams have done to get better. I’ve seen the moves that we’ve made, so I’ve got to do my part.” After leading the Heat to a second straight NBA title, James took a brief break to run a high school All-American camp in Las Vegas, made an appearance at the ESPY Awards in Los Angeles and then toured China on marketing trip for Nike. The fun ended once rosters began to take shape.

The Heat return most of their core from last year, recently adding center Greg Oden to keep pace with the improving contenders. James said being patient is the key with Oden, the 2007 No. 1 overall pick who has only played 82 games because a series of knee injuries. His last game was Dec. 5, 2009. “We’re not going to put any pressure on him,” James said of Oden. “He hasn’t played in almost four years. We want him to work his way back into shape. It’s going to take him a while to get back into game shape … We don’t expect anything out of him except being a professional and showing up for work everyday. Whatever we get from his is extra.”

Splashes made around the League by teams like the Brooklyn Nets and Indiana Pacers are undoubtedly fuelling James and the Heat, to say nothing of Derrick Rose’s impending return.

It bears noting that LeBron James feels that he will come back next season as a better basketball player. That may very well turn out to be the most significant development in the NBA this summer.

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  • shockexchange

    As long as The Kang keeps “The Rules” out of enemy hands, he ain’t got no worries.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    The fact that his drive seems to grow even more after his historical run these past two seasons is a testiment to how great this guy really is. The taste of champagne has indeed made him thirsty for more. I always said they should’ve never let him get 1 ring because it’s like a shark who first smells blood in the water, it’s about to be a feeding frenzy for him.

  • MUBWAR

    east is very top heavy this year. top 3 teams in heat pacers & bulls are top 7 in the league in defense. add the nets knicks & pistons and it’s getting interesting in the east.

  • spit hot fiyah

    new nickname: magalodon

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Steve Kerr said that once he won one, the floodgates would open. He may be right.

  • King David

    Ray Allen saved him SMH

  • King David

    Overrated !

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    MegaloBron?

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I agree with him. Even with all the additions other teams made in the East I think when healthy the Heat are unbeatable. Also, the only team out West that can even come close to beating them are the Spurs IMO.

  • JibbsIsBallin

    I think that’s a valid point. He wants more.

  • Slick Ric

    Predicting right now that the Nets make it to the finals.

  • bike

    LeBron has the potential to be the G.O.A.T.

  • Dfrance

    He was sooooooooo close to losing this year tho. Every year is going to be a fight.

  • Busta213

    If Bosh had kicked the ball out to Bron, he would of made the 3 (just like he did on the previous possession). Instead Bosh and Ray Allen robbed the king of glory. SMH.
    #trolling can be fun

  • Dfrance

    I just don’t buy into the notion that these great players have to seek out all these random events for motivation. Was leBron gonna take an extra 3 weeks off this summer, but once the Nets made moves he cut his vacation short? I doubt it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thank you! lol, i was just wondering the same damn thing

  • pposse

    no.

  • RKJ92

    LOL DKM

  • RKJ92

    The Nets will be better then the Bulls, mark my words; with Garnett, Pierce, Andrei, and retaining their current team from last year. That’s a win now team, and they would scare me a lot more then the Bulls..

  • spit hot fiyah

    LeMegaloBron Jaws

  • BugEyes

    it’s hard to stay motivated brah during 82 game season for 15 years of straight basketball for most NBA players I.including college and high school. especially when you have it all. you will take the stupidest thing to get you motivated. people say Kobe can’t pass the following game he goes and gets like 12 assists.
    it’s just like a normal Job after 15 years of being like an accountant its hard to get motivated until someone says you can’t do calculus. I’m lost lol

  • RKJ92

    You cannot say no, his career hasn’t even finished and he’s in a damn good position, with all the accolades to do so.. trust me if he doesn’t finish the best, he will still be 2nd best of all time (IF HE CONTINUES ON THIS PATH) a case can definitely be made.

  • spit hot fiyah

    he will probably to 3 a days now that the wizards are signing al harrington. u know, that extra motivation

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Health and chemistry will be a huge factor in determining if the Nets will be better than the Bulls.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Bron also missed 2 threes so to assume he would’ve automatically made that 3 you speak of is irrational. Not trolling just pointing out facts.

  • Dfrance

    Kobe will also hear he shoots too much and not shoot for 3.5 quarters the next game. Mamba crazy, he doesn’t count.

    Call me naive, I just feel like the truly great players are going to play hard and try to win every game, regardless of whether there is “bulletin board material” out there.

    I also believe that they will train hard to improve their games every summer, regardless of what moves other teams are making.

  • Dfrance

    You mean 4 a days, he started 3 a days when the Knicks resigned Pablo Prigioni.

  • The Seed

    Who cares Prince. Say whats up to Ray for us.

  • Dfrance

    I think he trolled you bro. lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    You’re probably right lol

  • spit hot fiyah

    true, he will probably be at like 8 a days once the rosters are all full. then he will be fully motivated. until someone like jr smith says that they are better than the heat and then the whole team becomes extra motivated to win a 3rd straight chip.

  • spit hot fiyah

    u just fell for the trick of a:

  • pposse

    you know whats even further a part from Lebron and his career being over? The length the best player in the world ever has over second best.

    Unless Lebron can go back to a time in his prime, 2011 and undo that loss and turn it into a win, a win in which he is the finals MVP in 2011, then he will never ever be the GOAT.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Oh geez…smh

  • bunz

    We are seeing his prime unravel right now. How can you say 2011 was his prime when he’s putting up the same consistent numbers with improvement in playing time and wins?

    He’s also won 2 championships since your so called ‘prime’

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that doesn’t make any sense.

  • bunz

    Nets have no proven anything yet, they look great on paper. I’d be afraid to see them as a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs. But there’s never been a first year coach from advancing as a player (especially not 1 year apart) to win the finals, let alone a conference championship game. They should’ve kept PJ with this veteran team.

  • bunz

    Really? Nets have no proven anything yet, they look great on paper. I’d be afraid to see them as a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs. But there’s never been a first year coach from advancing as a player (especially not 1 year apart) to win the finals, let alone a conference championship game. They should’ve kept PJ with this veteran team.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Brooklyn Nets = Philadelphia Eagles (past 2 years)… paper teams.

  • pposse

    so when your in the league for 8 years and won 2 MVP’s you aren’t in your prime? Fact of the matter is him and the heat lost when they were heavily favored making it impossible to be considered the best, when the best player won each and every full year he played in his prime. I only stated the word ‘prime’ so its clear that in 2011 and right now he is in his prime.

  • RKJ92

    My comment was ONLY assuming the team was healthy proceeding toward the playoffs, people still underestimate just how good Kevin Garnett is.. he pushed the HEAT hardddddd 2 years ago won 2 games in the series averaging almost 20-10 and stellar defense.. you have him Deron, JJ, Pierce, Brook Lopez, Andrei, Jason Terry, Blatche, Alan Anderson, Mason Plumlee, Tyshawn Taylor the teams just so deep…

  • pposse

    its figurative… like a metaphr

  • Busta213

    Who me? *Troll walks off the stage*

  • RKJ92

    I have them 3rd in the east easy.. Heat, Pacers, Nets, Bulls, Knicks/Pistons
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    The thing is they have nothing to prove, they already have PROVEN veteran’s (plus Garnett/Terry/Pierce) will bring a champions presence in the locker room.
    .
    This team is very scary if they stay healthy.. Believe it.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Exactly. Spot on…and its not a slight to Lebron, its just that the guy he is chasing is 6-0 in finals, with a pretty much flawless career….. I’d love to put these convos to rest, but i’ll forever continue to speak my piece on how 6 cant ever match 23 because 6 has already failed a few times….and flew the coop when things got bad…

  • RKJ92

    Agreed..

  • RKJ92

    Did you snort a line of cocaine before writing that..?

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Oh ok wasn’t sure if you had factored that in. In that case I agree 100%.

  • RKJ92

    His career isn’t even over yet.. all I said was he has a chance, and you cannot argue that until his career is over.
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    Secondly let’s not even act like his astronomically far away from achieving the things Michael has.
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    And just remember what they achieved at LeBron’s same age in their respective careers, I’m not spitting fallacies.

  • RKJ92

    No, It’s non-sense. That had nothing to do with anything I said.

  • pposse

    LP@21b4f4ac4ffcfb4dde0d99164203d955:disqus said what I was trying to say on this thread. And really its no slight on Lebron, I just believe what MJ did in his prime has not and cannot be duplicated. The Bulls never even seen a game 7 in the finals. I just think those two things get severely undermined when guys want to compare Lebron, Kobe or anyone else to actual GOAT.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Thats that vince young “Eagles look good on paper” trick deceiving you…
    you look at em and say “These guys are gonna be good because they just added Nmadi (Garnett/Pierce)…” but then, come to find out, the team sucks, Nmandi sucks, and everything else goes to sht….. we’ll find out soon enough tho….

  • RKJ92

    Ya man, that’s why I thought I’d clear that up because aside from Jimmy Butler (never consistant offense), Derrick Rose, Boozer (can’t play defense) and Noah the Bulls won’t have any other options (I fully expect Luol Deng to be traded in January), and a weaker bench then in previous years like it’s just not looking good going forward IMO, and I wouldn’t bank on Tony Snell until he’s proven in the NBA.

  • pposse

    whats longer is the gap from 1st to 2nd (greatest of all time) as opposed to right now and the end of Lebron’s career.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok, first of all,

    figurative:

    “Departing from a literal use of words; metaphorical.” so you don’t need to qualify what you mean by figurative. lol

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    second, no. it wasn’t figurative. it was nonsense. losing in 2011 is not going to have any effect on his legacy. just like Jordan losing in the Conference Finals over and over again doesn’t have an effect on his.

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    As of right now, LeBron is ahead of Jordan in, MVP’s/Championships/Accolades ‘

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=jordami01&y1=1992&p2=jamesle01&y2=2013

    .
    The only place Jordan was better at age 28 is statistically.

  • RKJ92

    This is Basketball, not the Philadelphia Eagles.. and I highly doubt the core Brooklyn has will suck, that’s just preposterous they have 11 talented/solid players, and for you to compare that to the Eagles just hurt’s my head these are two COMPLETELY different sports..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    at age 27 Jordan had less MVP’s and less team success.

  • RKJ92

    And do you want to know what you and LP have in common? *your both from Chicago* so let the bias continue.. Meanwhile the rest of the basketball world will continue to follow LeBron’s career fairly before he retires and add input then.. It’s not hard to fathom with all his awards/accolades he can retire the greatest of all time, or the second greatest so let the man play ball, and in the meantime stop slighting his achievements.

  • RKJ92

    LeBron is at a better place then MJ was at 28 years old, what in the entire hell are you talking about?

  • pposse

    if your going to bring stats into the mix then bring relative stats. AGE is not relative… nba basketball years is. How can Jordan not playing in the NBA be viewed or counted against him?

    Its not just me, but a lot of people will tell you the loss does have an effect. Its literally what separates Lebron from MJ (as opposed to figuratively). Stat wise, Lebron will always be there, but going undefeated in the finals has a certain lure to it, like some sort of mystique or something. And what’s even more crazy is not going to game 7 in the finals…ever.

    On a completely different subject, I can sit here and argue a Miami Dolphins old head until I’m blue in the face, and tell them the 85 Bears were better, but they will always just let me know about 16-0. Its that same ‘detail’ that Lebron has to hurdle through, and its just not going to happen.

  • danpowers

    and less seasons played coz he entered the league at an older age.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Unless Jordan came to the NBA out of high school OR Lebron played 3 years at Duke, AGE IS IRRELEVANT…

    I don’t know why you guys continue to compare them “AT AGE 27″ or “At AGE 28″…..
    Please compare by years in the Association.

    I won’t even mention MJ missing almost a whole year from breaking his foot….

  • pposse

    no one is slighting his achievments

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    The 2 things that set the Nets above the Bulls are their benches and championship experience IMO and those two things are HUGE.

  • pposse

    you don’t need to know calculus for accounting but i hear you bro

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “age is not relative?
    nba basketball years is. How can Jordan not playing in the NBA be viewed or counted against him?”

    - it’s not counted against him. it’s just true… if LeBron breaks down at age 33, then Jordan will look better in his mid 30s. But if he doesn’t? what, are you going to count that against LeBron because he was great for a longer period? it’s a two way street, taking them for what they do while they are in the league is all that matters. and as of right now, you can’t just assume LeBron will break down, might as well compare their ages. Comparing years in the league is fundamentally stupid. Unless of course, everyone plays the exact same amount of years, and is effective for the exact same amount of time.

    .

    “Its not just me, but a lot of people will tell you the loss does have an effect” – yeah, and a lot of people, like you, no little to nothing about the history of the guys who you do consider great. losing in the finals is a staple of the best player’s of all-time. look at “your” top 10, show me how many never lost in the finals………Jordan was great because he kept winning once he won, and never stopped…..which is exactly what LeBron has begun doing.

    .

    “but they will always just let me know about 16-0. Its that same ‘detail’ that Lebron has to hurdle through, and its just not going to happen”

    .
    like i said earlier, Jordan lost repeatedly in the conference finals….to the same freaking opponent. but, he had a bunch of success after that, so you don’t mention it….
    .
    there is no difference.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    I’m a huge Lebron fan, no bias here…..I’m completely fair, but Its not like i have to forget how Lebron had tons of quit in him those last 2 years in Cleveland, even though his stats say otherwise…….. at the end of the day, the win/loss/legacy topic WILL be a tiebreaker for these two….unfortunately, MJ wins this..

  • RKJ92

    Your whole argument means absolutely nothing! your speaking hypothetically making incomplete assumptions, and I’m giving you complete facts — IN THE NBA AT AGE 28 LEBRON HAS HAD A BETTER CAREER THEN MJ TO DATE — You cannot tell me that’s untrue.. it is fully backed up, and you can tell me all the what if’s, and hypothetical assumptions in the world it still doesn’t make your statements anymore true. Stick to the facts.

  • RKJ92

    MJ has had the better career as of right now, LBJ has had the better career then MJ at their respective age of 28. There is no argument to be made for either point. This has nothing to do with your basketball attitude this has to do with statistical evidence.

  • RKJ92

    How can you say that? you do it ALL the time, It’s sickening..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    which freaking doesn’t matter.

  • RKJ92

    Shouldn’t matter Dan, all of this comes down to the statistical evidence, and accolades at the same age, not the years.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    DO ME A FAVOR. Go compare Brandon Jennings vs Steve Nash NBA stats and NBA career at AGE 23.
    Lets see how well your “Age vs Age” works out…

  • pposse

    i’m going to say this one more time (to add to the 50,000) i been said it…Lebron is the second best baller i ever seen, and probably will go down as 2nd best ever.

  • RKJ92

    ROFL nice argument.. go read a book, work out that brain of yours.

  • ChosenOne

    Yes it does. Jordan was 21 his rookie year, and LeBron was 18. Basically, in comparing their careers you add 3 years onto Jordan’s age to get the EXACT comparison. For e.g. LeBron now at 28, would be comparable to Jordan at 31. Understand?

  • RKJ92

    You can say that all you want, doesn’t take back all the sh*tty comments you continuously spew out of your keyboard on this site that aren’t true about him.

  • pposse

    all i got out of this is that IF Lebron keeps on winning (and never lose from 2012 onwwards) until the end of his career then he can surpass MJ. Anything outside of that, Lebron is the inferior player. Is that how you view this?

    You are completely shunning out nba level experience. This tips the scale in your favor. That’s like saying a 4 year old going to school for the first time and learning their ABC’s is not as bright as the 3 year old who is in the same preschool, but got sent and accepted earlier into preschool and in turn learned their ABC’s at age 3…so the 3 year old is more successful now and in turn brighter because he learned his ABC’s one full year earlier. But there’s a catch..the 4 year olds parents weren’t privy to this ‘going to preschool before your actually 4 rule’ – which is really the only legit reason the 3 year old was sent to preschool beforehand.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    That age thing makes no sense….you should know that

  • pposse

    such as?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah? do you understand that once LeBron hits his 16th season you have nothing to compare it too? you going to compare a 34 year old LeBron to a 40 year old Jordan?
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    Understand?

  • bike

    Underscore POTENTIAL. He isn’t the G.O.A.T. right now. He may never be. He is on track to be mentioned in the same conversation with Jordan.

    The reason I say this because LeBron may not have reached his peak yet. Sure, he is in the age range where ball players typically reach their peak but, like Jordan, LeBron is a physical freak. No serious injuries as of yet (like Jordan) and a serious commitment to improving his game (like Jordan).

    So, we will see.

  • RKJ92

    I’m not going back and pulling up all the stuff you wrote that’s just ridiculous.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    really? let’s compare Jordan and LeBron when LeBron hits his 16th season. See if it makes sense to you then.
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    LeBron = 34
    Jordan = Retired
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    15th season?
    LeBron = 33
    Jordan = 39
    .
    Can’t compare them by season. It will only backfire. Unless you KNOW LeBron will break down.

  • Matisse

    Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate!

    You’re an intelligent guy. But anytime Lebron James is mentioned you demonstrate that you are a unrepentant reacher and habitual hater.

    Lebron James can never contend to be the GOAT because he lost a Finals? And because this previous finals it went to seven games?

    What you’re arguing is that if Lebron James lost to the 2007 Detroit Pistons and 2011 Bulls instead of going to the Finals and losing his legacy would have improved because of when he lost? Not that he managed to get the the Finals in the first place. And you are also arguing that Micheal is the GOAT because he lost in the Eastern Conference and not to those pesky 1980′s Lakers.

    What type of hater logic is that? You are a savant of a reacher.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    its fantasy football season, i don’t know what you expected…

  • ChosenOne

    What I’m trying to say is…
    LeBron now has played 10 seasons and he is age 28.
    Jordan, when he finished 10 seasons was after the 95/96 season. He did 9, then retired, then came back for a little bit, but fully did 10 seasons after 96.
    That’s what you should compare. So of course LeBron has done more at age 28 than MJ, because Jordan at the age of 28 only played 7 seasons….

  • pposse

    cause i never said anything that hasn’t been said before! You were probably only heated about it cause i would say stuff at in- opportune times for Lebron fans (like when he lost a game or something).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i view it like this, if LeBron wins 4 more titles….he will be freaking 33 years old. In his 15th season.
    .
    Jordan was 39 in his 15th season.
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    Really going to argue at that point?
    .
    How do you compare Jordan to Kareem? Explain that one by years in the NBA.
    .
    You have to just compare them based on the information you have. Not based on the assumption that the years in the league will someday even out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s why LeBron has done more than Jordan?
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    so you are just ASSUMING, that if Jordan came in the league as that kid who was a role player in North Carolina, he would have comparable success to LeBron?
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    See, what I’m saying doesn’t come with an assumption. I’m just focusing on what is actually real and happened. I can’t discount LeBron because he was ready to be a full-fledged NBA superstar earlier than Jordan was. It’s not like Jordan wasn’t allowed to come to the NBA out of High School. He just wasn’t good enough.

  • RKJ92

    No, just stop. You’re literally the BIGGEST LeBron hater I’ve ever come to see, and I would not say that without cause, or reason. Don’t ever act like you’ve ever changed that opinion because I see right through your bullsh*t. Don’t start.

  • ChosenOne

    Kobe is closer to MJ than LeBron.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Why compare AGE at all? Just forget about age, compare seasons.

    If it comes down to that, then you can get Lebron a + and say he’s played more years in the League than MJ.

    Arvydas Sabonis is literally rolling in his grave right now because you wanna compare Age vs Age… so now Javale Mcgee is gonna look better than him on paper at age 28.

  • RKJ92

    Don’t compare Sabonis, and Javale McGee, I’m truly sorry but that is such a stupid comparison, Sabonis was worlds better then McGee will ever be they cannot ever be compared.

  • RKJ92

    LOL…

  • ChosenOne

    That’s fair, I agree with that. I shouldn’t assume, but I was just giving an explanation of what would be a more realistic comparison. I agree, LeBron was a better High School baller (best ever?) and that shouldn’t be overlooked or used against him when he is compared to others (it aint LeBron’s fault he was that good and therefore had the extra season on MJ).
    But, I must say..
    MJ – 84-93 is greater than LeBron’s 03-13 in my opinion of course.

  • pposse

    When you lose in the finals, when the odds are that you are going to win that finals, then a failure at the ultimate level occurred. Yes, the Heat have flaws, but they were rightfully favored against Dallas, and then lost. Game 2 in that finals is a perfect example of how not to close out a game, and what Lebron James and D Wade were both a part of.

    Whatever happened in Detroit was beneficial to his legacy. IF the Heat lost to the 2011 Bulls then no, Lebron would have been receiving all types of critisicm. That team was way too talented, and Lebron and Wade were clearly in their prime years. For them to lose at all is a travesty (which is what happened and what ultimately should play a part in his legacy).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if LeBron retires after 15 seasons, then you can compare year to year. but if he doesn’t? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THEN?
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    If LeBron is great for 16 years, and ends up playing 18, what then? the extra 3 years is totally irrelevant because Jordan retired?
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    LeBron was better, younger than Jordan was. This is true. Unavoidable. Why are you acting like it doesn’t matter? Jordan was in North Carolina, being coached by one of the best coaches the sport has ever seen.
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    By committing to comparing them by seasons, you are admitting that you don’t want to compare them evenly. Once LeBron hits his 16th season as a 35 year old and is still really good……you are out of rope to compare Jordan to at that point. And your whole argument died a horrible, ugly death.

  • ChosenOne

    Let me guess, “Win Shares” is what keeps LeBron further???
    So you’re telling me right now, as of today, LeBron is higher than Kobe on the all-time list??? You have got to be kiddin’ me?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure, but you won’t find anyone that will pick (1) Championship, (2) MVPs, (1) DPOY over (2) Championships, & (4) MVPs — especially considering LeBron has played in about 50 more playoff games than Jordan did at that point. (which really can’t be justified with a 2 year gap in seasons played……think about it).

  • ChosenOne

    It’s unbelievable how many Kobe haters appear on this comment section…

  • pposse

    im tellin you, the cause or reason is that most of the ‘information’ about Lebron you heard from me was after a loss or another time when your emotions were potentially heightened

  • LakeShow

    I know the brain hurts… He has a higher PER or something…

  • ChosenOne

    I’m not trying to nit-pick and be awkward, but I think you have misread what I put.
    I said MJ’s 84-93 is greater than LeBron’s 03-13.
    MJ 84-93 equates to 3 rings, 3 MVPs, 1 DPOY, 7 scoring titles, is greater than LeBron’s 2 rings, 4 MVPs, and 1 scoring title. And LeBron had the extra year. I’m not hating, just stating my opinion. MJ was unbelievable between 84-93.

  • Matisse

    You are a prisoner of the present. Micheal was heavily criticized each and one of those years for losing to those Piston teams and every lost only help solidify the stigma that a leading scorer could not win a championship.

    There inability to close out games came from lack of continuity on the offensive and playing against a stellar zone defense that the Mavericks implemented. I’m glad you didn’t say the lovely buzzword that starts with the letter C.

    Losing to a better team or a team that is better prepared should not be a travesty. The game is played, not speculated, who is heavily favored to win a series is irrelevant.

  • RKJ92

    Give it time, let his career finish your comparing a 28 year old to a 34 year old in terms on league accomplishments that’s a 6 year span but as of right now LeBron is on pace for a significantly better career then Kobe.

  • RKJ92

    Enough.

  • Dfrance

    For some people, MJ will always be the GOAT. Others are more open to the thought of another player(LeBron, Kobe, Some unborn sperm cell) surpassing him at some point.

    There are only these two schools of thought, and one side cannot be swayed to the other side. I really don’t know why you guys bother arguing this point every 6 months. lol

  • pposse

    The only one’s not prepared for the finals was Lebron (in 2011). Ofcourse he made up for that these last two years, but seriously there’s a comfort level with Lebron, Kobe, and pretty much all of the stars in the game. Is the age where “is ‘okay’ to lose because there always a tomorrow” attitude. In life, this is not a bad motto at all…but when comparing basketball players…this is what separates the very best to everyone else. To me being favored is relevant. Its relevant cause every time MJ was in that position, he never disapointed.

    I dont know what kind of critisim MJ received in the 80′s at most i was like 5 years old back then.

  • Evan Boland

    Ya, they’re just stat mongers. They don’t get real ball.

  • pposse

    LOL aight im done with that

  • Evan Boland

    PER LOL

  • Evan Boland

    Lebron can never contend to be the GOAT because he averaged 17 ppg against weaker competition..

  • theDankerNuggets

    I agree sometimes those comments seem like just talk, but looking at what the Pacers, and Nets have done this summer has got to put some doubt and worry into his mind considering the Heat just barely won it all this year, and the only move they made to improve was a gamble on Oden

  • 23

    Word nigguh

  • Jim

    Lebron=rockfish

  • LP @ThisisEther

    If Lebron retires, so be it… he’ll be ahead of MJ in most statistical categories….he had a longer professional career. thats it.

    AGE thing is another issue…Go home and look at all your basketball cards. They have “Season” as a category. Not “AGE”.

    If you wanna compare the age “at 28″ thats fine, but you can’t draw conclusions from that and say Lebron is having a better career…

    Post the “After 9 season in the NBA” stats and then you can see…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Absolutely did misread that, totally my bad. I am not arguing that I think LeBron ever will catch Jordan. Just that he definitely can, and in terms of years of being alive, has a head start.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    don’t do this…

  • pposse

    To be honest I have no idea how to compare Kareem to anyone. He is an outlier. Someone told me in here that the guy was consistently awesome until age 39. To avoid any and all discussion on him i just put him in the top 10, top 5 if people whine about it, say he’s one of the best ever and move on. Never seen him actually play, that’s why its hard to say anything. Stats is one thing, but looking at them and seeing the stats happen is another. imo its a respectable argument when people say KAJ was the best because its mainly talk about being consistently great for a long time, multiple titles, and scoring king. Lebron’s claim more than anything at this point comes down to efficiency, which by comparison MJ cannot be that far behind if at all.

    Comparing hardward is unfair cause in most seasons Jordan was the MVP from like 85-93 (if not all). I believe Lebron got the MVP every year he deserved up to this point, not one more, not one less.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ugh, you can’t compare a retired player based on seasons to a guy still playing. If LeBron wins a championship in year 16, what are you going to say? I genuinely would like to know.
    .
    Comparing seasons works in retrospect because you can use qualifiers but it does not in the moment. And LeBrons career is still going. If LeBron physically still plays at an elite level in his mid 30s, comparing seasons will only make Jordan look worse. Need proof? Compare Jordan’s “seasons” to Larry Bird’s in years 1 – 10, who was better? – same thing. Jordan is better because of how great he was when he was great. Not based on seasons played.

  • ChosenOne

    Lol, my bad.
    I can see the popcorn flying all over now…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron’s claim to GOAT is success. Which at his AGE, he has experienced an enormous amount of. Jordan was actually more efficient, believe it or not.

  • danpowers

    depends on how you take it. season by season comparison makes as much sense imo as age to age.

  • straight cake

    This video disagrees with you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOnFc6eUBQ

  • danpowers

    i get the point of age comparison. on the other hand, why compare 8 to 10 years as we are talking about nba performance?

  • bike

    I’m a big fan of Kobe. But he is not ‘closer’ to MJ than LeBron in terms of accomplishments adjusted for age.

    Kobe is definitely more similar to MJ in terms of position and style of play.

    Please. Continue.

  • MUBWAR

    I dont think the nets can defend like the heat pacers & bulls. Therefore they cannot compete wit them

  • bike

    Well, it’s the off season plus it’s fun to light a fire under all the gentle commentators.

    You are 100 percent correct, though. Try as one might, there is no way a passionate b-ball’s mind will change on certain subjects.

  • bike

    I did after reading that.

  • berkamore

    Jesus Shuttlesworth. Still got game after all these years. Amazing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    show me another 2 players that you actually compare year by year…..
    .
    Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, really are the only 2 where that makes sense.

  • RKJ92

    It comes down to accolades, and championships as well that’s why. NBA performance is just another added facet to the argument with both players highly comparable statistically speaking Jordan ofc being better by a hair, that’s why the accolades, and championships are so important to comparing the two players in the end.

  • RKJ92

    The Nets aren’t slouches they have Deron, AK, Garnett, Lopez, and JJ all solid defenders, with Garnett, and Lopez anchoring so I wouldn’t be too concerned but I guess we will see come playoff time if the Nets stay healthy. The only thing that would concern me about the Nets is Jason Kidd being the coach in his first year, other then that I only see the Pacers being better.

  • RKJ92

    LOL!

  • LP @ThisisEther

    why not?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i could put that for Magic Johnson after 9 seasons. Make them both look worse.
    .
    comparing seasons is pointless. unless they play the exact same amount of time. and if you are doing it with a guy who is in the middle of his prime, and a guy who is retired, they need to have the exact same prime in terms of years.
    .
    When in age, you are just comparing two people who are the same age. Which makes a ton more sense especially with one guy who is still going, shows no signs of slowing down or retiring. right now, LeBron > Jordan at the same age. Years played, in the end. Is irrelevant.
    .
    You don’t say,
    .
    Michael Jordan > Kareem, because Kareem played for a longer period of time.
    .
    You don’t say,
    Magic Johnson > Michael Jordan because he won 5 titles in 13 years rather than 6 in 15.
    .
    Get the picture?

  • Max

    Not if you have 4 MVP’s to go with 2 rings and just had your best season. Right now is his prime, who knows maybe next year will be even better and then that’s his prime.

  • Max

    No, because MJ got to work on his game for 3 extra years in college.

  • Max

    Just because.

  • Max

    Don’t forget the Bulls had the first seed twice with DRose.
    I don’t see the Nets ending with a higher seed then them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in terms of career…yeah, because he has played more games/seasons then even Jordan did.
    .
    at 28? not even kind of.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    weren’t you just arguing for seasons played?
    .
    Kobe has played more seasons then Jordan. He is further away then LeBron by f*cking default of your own logic.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s ok. let these guys argue that LeBron can’t catch, and isn’t in front of Jordan at the same spot because of seasons played….and then argue in the same section that Kobe is closer to Jordan…..(only because he has played more seasons than even Jordan did).
    .
    That isn’t the definition of stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i like arguing, A LOT. lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    false. opinions can and do change. it just happens gradually. and then normally the dudes in here act like their opinion never actually changed, but was always different then it started.

  • RKJ92

    Oh I never forgot I’m just saying the Bulls are a regular season team, and come playoffs they wont get out of the second round, especially when Luol Deng gets traded.

  • RKJ92

    Hahaha, nbk I swear your the only person who understands basketball like I do, and sadly one of the only people here I can actually talk basketball with without getting angry, or frustrated.. after coming to that conclusion too, I now feel kinda sad lol.

  • danpowers

    i see it like chosen one stated below, but i also get the age argument, just prefer year by year.

  • leland

    Well everyone thought the Lakers were going to be something special last season And that didn’t happen. So you never know until the season starts.

  • Max

    We’ll see.
    But I think it’s a little early to call them a regular season team.
    They lost against Miami and that’s it.

  • RKJ92

    That’s the thing.. they will keep losing to Miami lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but literally NEVER use that argument for any other situation.

  • Max

    Then everybody in the east is a regular season team? haha

  • RKJ92

    Lakers only had Kobe, Nash, Gasol, Howard (with no bench) — and the Nets have proven 5 stars in Garnett, Deron, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Brook Lopez, and a VERY deep bench.
    .
    They are nothing alike that’s why the same thing wouldn’t happen to this Nets team that happened to the Lakers unless there was a serious injury, or injuries.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Do it. That would be fair, I think.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhm, at the same age? Brandon Jennings is better.
    .
    Just like LeBron is better than Jordan at the same age.
    .
    .
    Nobody actually thinks either thing will be sustainable.
    .
    The whole entire reason focusing on seasons played doesn’t make sense. Nobody has the same career.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it wouldn’t serve a purpose to do that.
    .
    so the whole point of this to you people is just so you can still say Jordan > LeBron? That’s the whole point right, that’s where the problem is?
    .
    LeBron > Jordan at the same age.
    Jordan > LeBron after the same number of years.
    .
    Jordan > LeBron as a career.
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    LeBron > Jordan in years available to accomplish things.
    .
    Happy?

  • RKJ92

    Nooooo Bulls have never pushed Miami the way Indiana has.
    .
    Indiana is the only team I’d consider a threat to Miami right now.
    .
    Nets will be good but not better then Indiana, I have them third barring they’re an injury free team.
    .
    To add you have to remember the Bulls best player is Derrick Rose, and just remember that the Heat have the best defensive back court in the NBA, and even if Chalmers, and Cole couldn’t contain Rose, all you would have to do is play LeBron on him again to shut him out. The Bulls just won’t have what it takes to beat the Heat, no matter what way you look at it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you realize using it by years in the league is just a cop out right? LeBron IS better at 28. He is more accomplished. This is a statement of fact, i don’t know why you are even arguing it.
    .
    You are upset about us focusing on a fact…..you do realize that? your problem, is that we are focusing on age……like it’s blasphemous to think age is more relevant than experience in an ongoing career…..
    .
    MJ missed a year….and that means what? LeBron is now even lower on the list because he has never been injured? Somehow, Michael Jordan missing a year, SUPPORTS, your argument?

  • danpowers

    hmmmmm difficult. there r guys who put together a whole lotta quantity of achievements, like abdul-jabbar, bryant, or russell. still jordan is widely considered as the goat, not only because of how many achievements he put together. its more like how he accomplished all that. the quality of what he did. thats what just stands alone so far.

  • TiredofPplHatingwithNoEvidence

    Sorry brother but without Lebron the heat are 6th seed at best and lose game 6 by landslide…ray had 1 big shot bosh had 1 big board but dont let that overmask everything lebron does for the heat as in leads them in pts rebs assita steals…while no other player on heat is consistent or really that good as everyone hypes them up to be…”oh lebron has a superteam” is garbage…its basically a flawe philosophy…a few i not one truly consistet 3 pt shooter but having a consitent three point shooter is an oxymoron if you think about it and two “superstars” who have severely underperformed….so basically all you had to do was throw a 3 pt shooter on the cavs and maybe a decent player (mo williams lol is not even top 15 pg in league and he started and was considered 2nd star aka Robin) the cavs may have won…dont get it twisted young one

  • danpowers

    i cnt remember if i did that in the bryant / jordan convo when bryant played in his prime.

    i guess a reason for the lack of comparable arguments is that there is just one goat and that we just dont see that many players who enter that “goat debate”.

  • RKJ92

    Jabbar is deff up there, but Bryant has 2 things wrong, he was never an elite defender, and he was ineffective through fg% — Russel was just a spotty offensive player, he could only dominate one side of the game, and as a greatest player you have to be completely well rounded. My top 5 is Michael, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Magic/Larry/Duncan (no particular order) so far. Lebron has a chance to be the greatest but we need to wait for him to finish his career, he’s on an amazing pace to be top 1-2 though.

  • Max

    Ah ok, I agree with everything.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The GOAT debate is always about one of these 5 in my experience.
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    Jordan (majority) (15 years, 13 that matter)
    Kareem (second) (20 years, 20 that matter)
    Russell/Chamberlain (13 years,13 that matter)
    Chamberlain (14 years,14 that matter)
    Magic (13 years, 12 that matter)
    .
    I have never, ever, seen a year by year comparison of any of them. Jordan’s argument is always about how great he was once he figured it out. Kareem’s is about longevity. Russell’s is about winning 11 in 13 tries. Wilt’s is about his individual accolades, and 2 extremely dominant team seasons. And Magic’s is always about his overall game and effect on his teammates.
    .

  • danpowers

    co-sign except one thing: 2-5. he could go down as arguably the best ever, but i refuse to believe that this is probable untill i actually see it lol

  • danpowers

    agreed – i just didnt participate in or read any debate about any of those while one alrdy retired while the other one was still active.

    just out of curiosity: what would you say about replacing chamberlain with bird?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would definitely entertain the concept. but i don’t think you’d be able to make a very good argument in that direction.

  • Matisse

    You’re right. He played against a lousy defensive team that managed to sweep the Lakers, (who were just coming out of winning a championship) and made Kobe Bryant average 23/2.5/2.5 on .45% and .23%.

    The same awful Mavs team that beat the Thunder in 5 and had Kevin Durant drop 28 on .42% shooting.

    Which one is it? Did Lebron play against inferior competition or did those other two players and teams choke? Either answer is ridiculous.

  • RKJ92

    haha awwww yeeeee..!!!

  • RKJ92

    I couldn’t agree more, “we are all witnesses” haha

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s hard for a lot of people to separate how they feel about a player emotionally, from how he compares to other’s historically. most of these people aren’t like this when the focus isn’t LeBron/Jordan/Kobe/Lakers/Bulls

  • danpowers

    one could be that chamberlain dominated individually for quite some time without much success, which makes his achievement in this not so successful time “just” a statistical one. excexpt those championship years while bird got the max out of his team as long as his body let him, which, in the end, left him with one more ring than wilt.

    wilts individual dominance – that “just” statistical stuff – was quite impressive and unique tho why i wouldnt really disagree with keeping him in there.

  • Matisse.

    You just shot yourself in the foot and you didn’t even know it. You claim to say that losing to those Pistons were beneficiary to Micheal yet just admitted to not being old enough to know what people even opinionated on Micheal’s legacy.

    Grasping for straws leaves you vulnerable. The hate is making you cross up your delusions.

    Wade, Bosh, Lebron and Spolstra all deserve equal blame. They were all unprepared. That entire team underperformed, but that doesn’t make it a travesty. The Mavs were one of the better defensive teams that year, and took what was there’s.

    And of course they should have that attitude. An athletes career is not written beforehand on clay tablets. Just like Micheal proved with his first three-peat that a leading scorer can win multiple titles, Lebron can still content to be the GOAT.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s patently ignoring that Wilt ran into the Bill Russell lead Celtics 8 freaking times in his career. If you made the argument for Bird > Chamberlain then I could probably spin a Dirk > Malone argument…..

  • pposse

    just stop, i’m being truthful, not shooting myself in the foot. 17ppg in the finals is unacceptable and not the mark of the GOAT. So when the best player wins the championships for the Heat, he gets all the credit and everyone else is just expendable and best of all “the heat are NOT a superteam” but when they lose everyone shares equal blame. That also is not the mark of a GOAT. You can’t have it both ways.

  • RKJ92

    You forgot about the countless people that think offense makes you the better player, the people that think what they see with their eyes watching the games makes a specific player they watch better (not including the stats but just what they see), the people who think championships alone define who a player is, the people that think because a starting lineup is stacked they will win it all (benches count too people), the people that think PER, offensive/defensive ratings, and win shares are some kind of made up invention to torture their lives that they think doesn’t mean a thing, and the people that think just because a team can ace the regular season like the Bulls do makes them a perennial contender for the championship. These are the people that make our lives.

  • RKJ92

    1-4 can go down as the best ever, Magic/Larry/Duncan are all a level under the above 4 players. We are all witnesses to the future though :)

  • danpowers

    agreed. but mate… im concerned about the impact that basketball commercials have on you lol

  • Matisse

    You just admitted to not knowing the criticism Micheal received and saying it was beneficiary for him to lose to the Pistons. If that isn’t the equivalent of hanging yourself, than I do not know what is.

    So no matter what he accomplishes in the future your still going to still hold on to that 17ppg? Even though it was against a stellar defensive team?

    That stat would have more merit if hadn’t averaged. 30/108 the year after. And 25/8/6 this year.

  • danpowers

    “that’s patently ignoring that Wilt ran into the Bill Russell lead
    Celtics 8 freaking times in his career. If you made the argument for
    Bird > Chamberlain”

    i read till hear and was about to reply “i see, my bad”

    but then you came up with that “Dirk > Malone ” offer and as a german i am not able to turn that down lol

  • RKJ92

    LOL dude I purposely wrote that as a LeBron pun :)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Hahahahahahahahaha

  • ChosenOne

    Now this I agree with.
    We got there in the end.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Ron Artest rebounding Kobe’s airball in the Conference Finals against the Suns and making that shot. Robert Horry’s shot against the Kings in LA after the ball was tipped out to him. Often, the Finals goes one way or another after a few balls bounce the right way for one team and the wrong way for another. That’s how it goes. One team makes a mistake, the other capitalizes on it. That’s why the playoffs, especially the Finals, are so fun to watch. Everyone who’s watched enough knows that it’s just a few plays that can determine who wins and who loses, so who’s going to make those plays? That’s what some of us watch for. Duncan missed point blank shots that he makes in his sleep.

    Every year is a fight for every team. But what pushed them over the top was LeBron, especially after he lost his headband, and Ray Allen hitting that shot. Wade took us back to 06 for a few games. And Bron’s improvement with his jumpshot was on full display in Game 7. I couldn’t see them losing before that game started. And when James remembered how much work he had put in with his shot, he got hot and that was it. So yes, they were close to losing. But we could say that about quite a few championship teams from the past.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    LeBron’s 16 points in the 4th quarter can’t be ignored. When people say Allen saved him, they also must remember that the team wouldn’t have been in a position to even need saving. Also remember the 3 point shot that LeBron hit before the one he missed and the other mistakes he had. Series would have been over if James hadn’t have went wild on both ends of the floor without that headband. We have to tell the full story.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    This is where it always was.
    .
    LeBron has the potential to be the GOAT.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    The Heat are unbeatable to me with LeBron being who he is and just enough of Wade. Bosh played like a role player in the playoffs and they still won. The only two teams that can beat them in a series to me are Indiana and San Antonio. I don’t think they’re concerned about anyone else. If everyone’s healthy, I’d still pick the Heat in a Game 7 situation against any team because of that LeBron/Wade combination. Just too hard to deal with when they’re both clicking. Watching them beat San Antonio basically by themselves in Game 4 was a lot of fun. Also fun watching them beat the Pacers in the playoffs last season in those last few games. Don’t know what anyone can do with them playing so well individually and together.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Unbeatable is extreme. Magic had what people called “unbeatable” teams…that got swept.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Surprised a Heat fan hasn’t already said this….

    Who cares Seed? He can also say what’s up to those 2 Larry O’Brien trophies, Finals MVP trophies and MVP trophies he’s won the past 2 seasons. Been 3 years since the Lakers saw any trophy at all.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    True

  • CKLOH

    That 2011 Lakers team had issues (ie, Jackson’s health, Gasol’s fiancée, and Kobe’s twisted ankle). Gloss over them, though. It makes you sound all correct and stuff!

    If you cannot acknowledge that that Mavs team went on an insane, never-to-be-duplicated sustained shooting spree as the SOLE reason why they achieved ANY success at all (other than Carlisle’s zone, which was more of a testament to opposing teams’ inadaptability), then you, sir, are taking what Walter White is cooking.

  • pposse

    dude Lebron was an MVP caliber player on a championship caliber squad and then wet the bed..for 6 games. I understand its a hard pill to swallow, but those are facts. You blaming this on Bosh, Wade, Spo is not right. Wade played some of his best ball that series. Its always more disapointig losing in the NBA finals over the conference finals. I mean your right there, your at the mountain top, just need to take one more step, but then you fall flat on your face. That is what happened and because of that I elect not to choose that man as the GOAT…especially when there is a guy out there who NEVER experienced that ‘face plant’ ie: MJ ..and btw that guy has 5 MVPS, 6 Rings, 6 finals MVPS 11 scoring titles etc. etc.

    Let me clarify thing about MJ…yes I was aware that most called him a scorer and that he would never win it all in the 80′s but like i said was yet a youngin, none of that noise reached my ears back then. Its all hearsay. Highly doubt that MJ ever lost when he was favored.

  • pposse

    if only they lost game 6, Lebron looked at himself in the mirror then shaved his head completely bald with a new focus for the 13-14 season…now that would be a story worth telling.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    What actually happened is a pretty great story itself. As all championship seasons are for the teams who won.

  • Max

    It’s michael.

  • Evan Boland

    The answer is Lebron had the best team by far. And he was also the best player in L, BY FAR. No excuses for that. He choked. Completely and utterly. He was scared. Dallas will always be a big stain on his resume. It happens. To almost everyone. But not the GOAT.

  • Evan Boland

    Oh, but it was. Why do LeBron fans have to be so biased? Man up man, he’s slowly becoming one of the greatest to ever do it, but he choked hard that series, and it will always be remembered.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    /Thread

  • Gottagetusumuhdrt

    In terms of playing style/moves/how they look when playing…absolutely. In terms of stuff that matters i.e. finals MVP, MVP, PER, team leading etc…Jordan by landslide. In terms of greatness…Lebron and Jordan. Kobe ain’t in that discussion objectively speaking. Honestly, the top players are all centers except Mj, born, bird, magic (magic lil overrated, but right when you say that ppl who just go by espn will try to say anything you say is dumb)…squal up

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Its that “steve nash” effect….people say, what effect Dacre? And I say…exactly.

  • Matisse

    I’ve always confused my a’s and e’s. Would you like to arrest me grammar cop? lol, jk. I know you didn’t mean anything by it.

  • Packs on

    Real ball? Pleaseeeee. Bruh, I’ve seen your discussions. You basically think players are better than others if they look better playing. For example your argument that Kobe is better than Lebron comes from your claim that Kobe has a better shooting form, looks nicer dribbling, or some bs like 5>2 or career totals when Kobe nearly played 2x as long as Lebron…even though bron easily has better averages. There is really no legit argument now saying Kobe>Lebron…it’s just ignorance to think otherwise

  • grgeblck

    The whole team should get motivated. Not just you, Lebron.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    ‘That may very well turn out to be the most significant development in the NBA this summer’ … please. It’s superlatives like that make me laugh as much as the repartee on this sight. Miami were lucky to win this year. We all know this: had Vogel had some Lebron foresight in clutch situations?, had missed free throws been sunk in gm6? etc, the crop of Western conf. teams to not make the cut because of injury: well thing’s would be a totally different story, in other words Miami is beatable, and not that hard IF YOU’VE GOT SIZE. Had Miami played prime SAS or any other champion team as far back as I can remember (1990) I can’t see them winning in 7 games. Take Jordan’s Bulls. Pippen would’ve swarmed LeBron in a blitz with Jordan/Rodman … I mean, come on. Houston with Dream, LAL’s, Pistons lock-down D … need I continue? Only 2006 Heat was as weak to win a championship.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Wondering? hmmm,.. logic, methinks.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    You must be a child is all I can say and I feel sorry for you. You’re first paragraph is totally correct, the next make believe. We all want to ‘witness’ greatness. LBJ can play, granted, but he takes day off… even in finals. You think Boris Diaw would ever be put on prime Jordan?
    Blah blah blah stats LBJ game seven this, game seven that.
    Michael NEVER played a game 7 in six championships, averaged 33.6.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Pistons and Bulls? or just Pistons?

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Three men walk into a bar. An Englishman, an Irishman and an Australian. The Irishman says ‘what is this, a joke’?

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Thankyou

  • Interdico Scriptor

    like you do…. Plllleeeeeeaaaassssssseeeee

  • Interdico Scriptor

    In time, my ‘international style’ of play will be known,understood. In the meantime I will wade the middle ground of subservient journalism, but there’s one thing as an spectator I have to say about Naismith Ball, and that is you two guys are arrogant as f*ck. But that’s on me … because you’re smart as hell, you just lack communication skills. Communication is reciprocity. Elaborate on your intellect and perspectives, make yourself understood. I’m not saying dumb-it-down, not at all. Just don’t come across so grandiose. Is this day and age we all have access to information, instantly. How we use that power shows more about us than it does the system. Knowledge is power, but I see a lot of false intellects who can’t argue at all without a laptop in front of them. @Nbk, I know your’re not one of those. IMO in order to get better you have to play with the best. I don’t know about you, but that’s a compliment.

  • Evan Boland

    I think Lebron is better then Kobe so whatever you say. I was just referring to people underrating Kobe..

  • Evan Boland

    Lebron was by far the one most the blame goes to in that series. That’s what happens when you’re the MVP, you reap the rewards when you win and you shoulder the blame when you lose. Bosh deserves equal blame? Bosh, really? DWade does even though he outplayed Lebron? Come on man.

  • Evan Boland

    Dude this is just sad. Lebron can’t do everything Mike could. Mike can do everything ‘Bron can. One thing Mike would never do, is have his stats drop off in a series, nor average 17 ppg in a series, let alone the NBA FINALS.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    76ers in ’83 (“tragic johnson”) and Pistons in ’89

  • Shooting Guard

    well said

  • Mike From Spain

    The best keeps getting better… Bron ready to abuse the league.

  • Max

    Yeah, I just said it so you’ll get it right next time.

  • Packs On

    Brush, real talk…there ain’t no way I believe you think Bron better than Kobe based on your discussions. It appears you think Bron is weak

  • Dfrance

    Well that goes without saying. lol

  • pposse

    i dont know about that…Lebron and Spo both threw the Spurs a bone. Lebron, a guy who was shooting %56 from the field in the regular season showed zero faith in his jumper until the 4th qtr of game 6. That mistake will never happen again. Plus the Spurs got historic help from Danny Green which will most likely never happen again (for a team facing Miami). Seriously, the Spurs gameplan was to play off of Lebron and let him shoot, and still Lebron refused to shoot. He was being stubborn about it, and Spo allowed that to happen. Finally when it mattered most, Lebron’s intelligence and confidence kicked in all at once. Who is to say that this could have been a sweep for the Heat if only came into the finals with the same mindset that he had in game 7?

  • pposse

    one more thing…Lebron was poise and ready to win the finals in 2011…he wet the bed..plain and simple, then lost. IF MJ were to get to the finals in his first 5 seasons and lose to the Lakers then it would be no different than Lebron getting to the finals and losing to the Spurs. Was Lebron poise and ready in 07 to win the finals? Obviously not, he didn’t even take one game. MJ wasn’t poised or ready to win it all in his first 5 or 6 years either.

    So yes, when MJ was poised and ready he dominated the league like no one ever before. And he did it against good competition. Lebron not being ready in 2011 should not be overlooked, he was the best player in the league, and he was playing with the second best player in the league…there are zero excuses for that loss.

  • Dfrance

    My point was, no floodgates were open. Kerr’s statement implied that once he got that first one, it would somehow be easier the next time, or that he would go on these streak of wins and the streak was 3 seconds away from ending at 1.

    I’m not taking away from LeBron, nor was I saying that he wasn’t the reason they one. But every year he’s going to have to work just as hard, if not harder than the year before in order to get a ring.

  • Feez_22

    ?

    To be frank, no one said lebron was this superior finals performer. So to bring up mj’s never playing in a game 7 in 6 finals series avg 33.6ppg isn’t relevant to what ishmael said. In fact, bringing up MJ isn’t relevant to what he said so why do it? All ishmael said was a ton of nba finals & conf finals are decided by lucky bounces and such which is a fact.

    BTW just to clear it up… Kahwi guarded lebron the majority of the time in that finals series. Danny green was 2nd and then boris was 3rd in terms of coverage on him. They rotated coverage on lebron and then crowded the paint if he even tried to drive with duncan. You don’t play man to man defense on lebron and expect to be successful. In fact, you don’t play any top of the line star that can get to the basket in that way. You get a primary to funnel him into a secondary/tertiary defender which is what the spurs did whenever he drove.

    This is one of the reason why the spurs backed way off of lebron in game 7. Lebron shooting jumpers gave the spurs the best chance to win because even if he made them, he at least wasn’t driving and kicking. This is the best way to guard lebron and was deployed by dallas in 2011, boston and san antonio. People always say, “what kind of superstar gets coverage like that where they back way off him and dare him to shoot”? My answer is one that doesn’t need to score to have a major impact on a game. Make him try to score with a skill that was a learned exercise instead of something he’s always had (he’s always been athletic, strong, a good passer, good court vision, etc) and you can win. Good strategy but it failed.

    MJ is one of the only “flawless” finals players so you can use that critique against pretty much any of the top players in the history of the game. Just think about that for a second. Lebron isn’t MJ. No one is except mj.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    I can’t remember reading one smart comment that you’ve ever posted here, honestly.

    25, 10 and 7 average in the Finals and you say he took days off? He has off nights like every other human being playing basketball, but even his off nights are better than most on their best night. Saying the best player in the world “can play” is extremely stupid. I don’t remember anyone ever saying “Yeah, Magic can play” or “Larry can play”. That’s what you say about players who are good enough to be in the NBA, not what you say about the best players.

    Who cares about Jordan here? Ain’t nobody comparing LeBron to Jordan now. I didn’t. Why do people keep bringing him up as if the only way to be great is to be like him? That’s complete BS and it shows the ignorance of some people who only picture Jordan when they think about greatness. Other legendary players exist. Jordan wasn’t the first player to win a championship and hit game-winning shots. Stop watching Gatorade commercials and getting excited about MJ. Maybe Google a few of the other guys who people talk about as maybe being the greatest ever because it’s not just Jordan.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    I didn’t take it that way. I just took it as him saying that once he got one, he’d figure out how to keep winning more. So far, he has 2 in a row. I suspect he’ll get a few more somehow.

    Every team has to work harder to defend championships. Other teams get better and go after them. But the advantage lies with the team that has been there and has gotten it done. And the advantage is greater when that team has the best player on it.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Thank you.

  • Keith Shaun

    i think kobe is better than lebron because of a lot of things. His skill set, his determination and sheer will, along with his accomplishments. Kobe is overlooked so much just because of his pairing with Shaq (who was the most dominant in his prime) but Shaq had been good and still didnt get any rings until Kobe evolved to the player he needed him to be to win. Kobe is 34/35 and is still playing at such an elite level, with the amount of mileage on his body, its crazy man….do you think that shyt is easy?

  • Keith Shaun

    Also Kobe is working with alot less than lebron at this point in his career. Lebron is undoubtly the best player in basketball right now, no question. But when Kobe still had his athleticism, he did some of the same shyt Lebron does without the extra height, muscle and weight. Alot of Kobe prime years were wasted when they had nothing but garabge around him. Smush parker, Kwame brown. Ppl always say he had lamar then and caron butler, are you kidding me? Odom yes, was his only wingman, that aint enough and caron butler was nothing, he didnt start to come into his own until going to the Wizards

  • Basketball Coach

    it’s really nice reading about Lebron not expecting too much from Oden, i don’t know but I really want Oden to come back and have more years in the league, there’s something about that guy i can’t explain. well that’s just for me of course.

    http://basketballcoach.ca/

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    don’t worry, i took it as a compliment. i’m well aware of how you feel about my communication skills, that almost goes without saying. The criticism is something i don’t take any offense too, and i can recognize a compliment when it’s given. So i thank you my good sir.

  • LakeShow

    What do you call what he did last year??

  • Mattisse

    LeBron can’t do anything Mike could do? F**Kouttahere.

  • Evan Boland

    You fool. I said EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. Which, is OBVIOUS. Because Lebron is NOTHING like MIKE.

  • Evan Boland

    Definitely one of the weakest Championship teams.

  • Evan Boland

    Mentally weak, definitely. Still the best player in L by a wide margin. Though I think KD will be right there with him this year.

  • Evan Boland

    When it mattered most Lebron had back to back TO’s and a bricked three lmao. Gimme a break. Wow. Delusional!

  • Evan Boland

    If you really have nothing better to do then make claims about people to do, take the time to go through all my posts and discover my beliefs for yourself.

  • keyon dooling

    Caron was a force from his second year on with Miami in ’04, fresh legs too. WTF are you talking about? and as bad as Kobe’s squad was with LO and Caron, it still had more talent that LBJ’s Cleveland squads that went to the Finals. LOL

  • Mike From Spain

    OK, I edit my comment…. ‘Bron ready to abuse the league *again*’

  • pposse

    I’m not making excuses for Bron, but it seems as though he’s still learning to be clutch at times. Him waiting until the final 2 minutes of game 6 to make something happen was more stupid than the bricked three and two turnovers he caused. See how in game 7 he played like a completely different player? IMO he played more like Kobe than Lebron in game 7. He started shooting the rock more.

  • Jazzy P

    The truly great players are the ones that use just about anything for motivation. There are endless stories about MJ using absurd things to motivate him on a nightly basis. The best competitors seek out a competitive edge whenever they can. Of course MJ, LeBron, Kobe will train hard every year no matter what. But they need to find little things to keep them motivated during the season and the off-season. LeBron probably watched SportsCenter nightly just so he can hear the anchors say how the Nets are coming, just so he can get riled up for his next day of training.

  • LakeShow

    LOL, there we go!

  • Evan Boland

    Never an elite defender, haha.

  • Evan Boland

    Because he joined the L earlier. And no, 28 year old MJ is better than 28 year old James. If you want proof, NBA Chanel, all week. It’s tell you a bit more about the debate than just reading the statistics ;)

  • Evan Boland

    Yeah because HE PLAYED 3 MORE SEASONS BY THAT AGE. LMAO. And a 28 year old MJ would obliterate LJ. Do you even doubt that?

  • Evan Boland

    More accomplished.. Not BETTER. Jordan was a better player.

  • Evan Boland

    Jordan > Lebron PERIOD

    That sums it up much better.

  • Evan Boland

    Statistical evidence.. Oh man, you really ARE something. And here I thought you were actually someone who did know ball but just let bias get in the way when it comes to MJ and LJ and Kobe,etc.. It’s normal to want the dude YOU witnessed to be the GOAT.. Why do you think so many people actually believe Kobe to be the best player of all-time? LJ at least you can make an argument, all though a flawed one, but Kobe has never done ANYTHING better than Jordan. And yet when I see the poll on SN Kobe get’s the second most votes.

  • Evan Boland

    Dude, these guy’s are NUTS. They love LJ so much. I also think Lebron is the second best baller I’ve ever seen, and I TOO, are a Lebron Hater! Join the club.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If you are stupid

  • Evan Boland

    Has nothing to do with intelligence. Basketball IQ, maybe. And just general knowledge. Lebron is probably the second greatest I’ve ever seen grace the court. I think what gives MJ the edge is his heart. I believe is Lebron had MJ’s character, he would be on another level.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    People were saying the same thing about Jordan at this age……..
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    Which is the whole point.
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    You can only take it for what it is.

  • Evan Boland

    Lebron has 2 chips now. We’ve seen him play 10 seasons. We know who Lebron is. MJ had 3 chips aftr 10 seasons, and we knew who he was, as well. I can’t imagine Lebron going up against MJ in the playoffs when MJ was at this most brutal and calculated. I cringe thinking of the matchup for LJ’s sake. Just like I cringed watching him hiding in the Dallas series. I really felt bad for the kid. The pressure that was put on him to live up with MJ’s standard was over-daunting.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    God dammit you are freaking redundant….
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    I don’t care about how many seasons they played. It never matters. It’s not going to randomly start mattering. Get over it.

  • RKJ92

    He wasn’t.

  • RKJ92

    Evan you just don’t f*cking get it man.. refer to nbk’s post, I can’t even argue with you anymore when you laugh at plain logic.

  • RKJ92

    Bro I have no bias, and nobody, and I mean NOBODY thinks Kobe is the best player of all time.. sorry to tell you. The only 2 players based on accomplishments, and high level of play being compared in today’s game in LJ and MJ that’s it that’s all.

  • Evan Boland

    Whatever you wanna think buddy.

  • Evan Boland

    Tons of ppl do, obviously casual fans, though. Nobody on HERE does. But TONS of ppl do.

  • Evan Boland

    No, I get it. It’s you that doesn’t. How old are you?

  • Evan Boland
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