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Wednesday, August 28th, 2013 at 10:00 am  |  97 responses

Tracy McGrady Says He Has Hall of Fame Numbers


Almost immediately after announcing his retirement from the NBA on Monday, the debate about Tracy McGrady’s Hall of Fame candidacy began. T-Mac says he has the credentials to make it into Springfield, but he’s not really sweating it. Per CSN Houston: “I think my numbers match up with some of the guys that are in the Hall of Fame. Whether or not I get in or not, it really doesn’t matter to me. I’m a guy from Auburndale, Florida (with) a population of 10,000 people, grew up in a pretty bad neighborhood, so to me, I’m Hall of Fame just by making it through my career. That’s Hall of Fame to me.’ McGrady also talked about how he’s leaving the door open for more basketball, saying there’s no question he can still contribute. ‘I’m retiring from the NBA,’ McGrady said. ‘My options are still open – going back to China. I mean, my brand is so huge over there, so I might continue to expand on that.’ Over his 15-year NBA career, McGrady averaged 19.6 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 4.4 assists.”

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  • RedDragon10

    I really hope he does make it.

  • Smits#45

    So he wants to go to China to expand his brand… I don’t understand why the Chinese even pay all those guys like T-Mac and Iverson so much money. They don’t give a s*** about basketball they only go there for the money.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because without caring they are still the best player’s in their league. and they also sell the most tickets. it’s really really easy to understand.

  • Smits#45

    I guess your right… Sometimes I tend to forget that everything’s about money nowadays.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    McGrady played with a bunch of guys who aren’t good enough to play on Community College teams out here last season in China, he averaged 25 – 7 – 5, and they sold out every game. Despite being the worst team in the league.

  • JibbsIsBallin

    T-Mac deserves hall of fame status. I know Hall of Fame is based a lot on stats, but T-Mac was a lead player on most of the teams he played for and was a definite role player on certain teams as well.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange thinks T-Mac protests too much. McGrady and Vince Carter could have been special in Toronto, but T-Mac left for Orlando cause he wanted to be “the man.” That’s what happens when you take career advice from Shelley Long.

  • trace

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  • BCoops

    Cool Story Bro…

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Hopefully, he and AI go into the Hall together.

  • Busta213

    That sounds like his Magic days all over again, lol.

  • blachthought

    very good scorer on some bad teams…sure his numbers match some of the guys, but there`s a fat 0, when it comes to winning (if u don`t count “the fiba championchip of the american”, haha). should have stayed in the t-dot, instead of wantin` to be the man…

  • TR

    So J-Kidd, G.Hill and T-Mac could all go into the hall at the same time…thats pretty dope

  • http://kingakai.com/ Alpha-bet

    I think T-Mac will get in, but not first ballot though. Im thinking cats like ‘Nique, Bernard King, Iceman Gervin (Who T-Mac was compared to alot) didn’t get in first ballot so it would be rough for McGrady.

  • tane

    ..and Tank Black.

  • shockexchange

    You’ve just outshocked the Shock Exchange! SE needs to step his game up around here son.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha, he could win by himself in those days tho

  • http://reverbnation.com/ends1 ENDS

    TMac was the Man. All y’all saying he should have stayed in Toronto, have aspirations of being the assistant to the regional Manager instead of the Manager.
    The real What If He Stayed scenario is what if he wouldnt had demanded that trade to H Town and Stayed with Hedo Jameer And Dwight? Thats the what If right There. The East Was weak those years reminder

  • spit hot fiyah
  • Saleem Rainman

    they wudnt have gotten dwight unless they traded t-mac…no way they wuda been bad enough to win first pick that draft. None of that happens in T-Mac stays.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    I think T-Mac is a hall of famer, but who knows

  • The Philosopher

    The bosses changed the rules on players coming out of high school.
    For now, no more players will be able to come out of high school.
    So, theoretically, he is a pioneer. A pioneer when in his prime, was an all – timer.
    He will be a 2nd ballot.
    In my opinion.

  • Caboose

    In his prime, there’s not many players who could push a team to a win all by themselves better than TMac. In the past 20 years, I’d say only Iverson, Shaq, LeBron, and maybe Kobe could do it better.

    *Jordan notwithstanding.

  • King David

    he is def not a hall of famer but he was nice

  • Ballivier

    t-mac was traded AFTER the 03-04 season when the magic already had the worst record.

  • Ballivier

    what about ai? is he eligible 5 years after his official retirement or after the last season he played? that would mean he could be in as soon as 2015!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Not Iverson.

  • jo

    your trippin yes iverson!

  • Caboose

    Really? 2001 Finals?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    maaan, put 2003 McGrady on that team. You really think they get worse?
    .
    Look at who Tracy McGrady was stuck with in 2002-03. That team almost won a playoff series…..against the Pistons. Which was probably a better team than anyone that 2001 76ers had to beat.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope, i’m in a chair. can’t even trip.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    read the description man. it’s satire.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Michael Cooper and Robert Horry ain’t getting in…. You think he is?

  • Basketball_iQ

    There’s not MANY?? What you smoking?

  • Basketball_iQ

    Ahhh,,,, too bad they WON’T. Jason Kidd is the only HOF’er you named.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Tmac was the man for like a week and all you fools crying HoF,,,, talking BRIEF stint. Wow…..

  • Caboose

    Is your username meant to be ironic?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wow, is right. That was incredibly dumb.
    .
    McGrady is one of seven players in NBA history to have eight straight seasons of 20 points per game, five rebounds per game and four assists per game. The others are Kobe Bryant(14), LeBron James (10), Michael Jordan (10), Oscar Robertson (10), Kevin Garnett (9) and Larry Bird (9).

    • There are 15 other retired players in NBA history with at least 18,000 points, 5,000 rebounds and 4,000 assists in their careers. All 15 of those players are in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

    • McGrady, Bird and James are the only players in NBA history with at least 15,000 points, 4,500 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 500 3-pointers in their first 11 seasons.

    • McGrady is one of three players in the last 20 seasons to average at least 32 points per game in a season. He did so in 2002-03, and became the last player to average at least 32 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.0 assists in a season. Only three other NBA players have done that in a season—Michael Jordan three times, Wilt Chamberlain twice, and Elgin Baylor once.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/62420/top-stats-to-know-tracy-mcgrady

  • Sergio

    “Maybe” Kobe? The hate is strong with you.

  • Caboose

    Yeah, MAYBE Kobe. Kobe is by far the better player, I never said that. However, 03 TMac could power teams to wins BY HIMSELF better than any version of Kobe could outside of MAYBE the 06 version.

  • danpowers

    wade?

  • Caboose

    No. He had Shaq for that Finals run.

  • robb

    He will

  • The Seed

    LOL, yall still overrating T-MAC. Iverson was better than T_MAC in 2003. What NBA were you watching. MayBE Kobe. LOL

  • RKJ92

    Agreed.

  • Caboose

    Seed, ANY discussion involving ANY shooting guard with you is pointless.

  • RKJ92

    *proceeds to spin around in circles on the chair* lollll

  • The Seed

    Is Vince Carter a HOFamer, Is T-Mac a HOFamer. I feel Vince had a better career than T-Mac and I don’t have him in the HOFame. So of course T-Mac is not. T-Mac couldn’t lead water to land. Yall must have forgotten how he was ripped throughout his career for being a selfish player, looking for SELF. T-Mac is being overrated, by homers. People its OK to speak the truth. He knows he is not, thats why he is stating it really don’t matter. He is not a HOFamer. Next yall cats are going to say Billups is a HOFamer. Some of yall didn’t watch T-Mac play, he was all self. Ask his teammates.

  • The Seed

    Not really, I just think you are overrating T-Mac. He was a good to great scorer at times. But there were games where he took ill advised shots, choked alot-no first round wins and he did not have good work ethic. I remember reading a story about him not working on his game. He was a flash in the pan, for about 6 years, then it went out. T-Mac did nothing else on the floor to make his teammates better, didn’t play defense, could have rebounded better and during that time, he was not getting praised like you all are doing now. Stevie Franchise got more love than T-MAC, there careers are similar to me. Flash in the Pan careers, except T-MAC stayed around playing in china and sitting at the end of benches praying to play.

  • Saleem Rainman

    LOL

  • Caboose

    “Games where he took ill advised shots, choked a lot…nothing else on the floor to make his teammates better, didn’t play defense, could have rebounded better…” Are you sure you’re describing McGrady and not Kobe here?

    And did you really just compare the careers of Stevie and Tracy? Iverson is closer to Kobe than Francis is to McGrady.

  • Saleem Rainman

    ahhh man, i dont think there should be any “maybe” infront of “06 version” there. Probably put 07 there too. Let me make my case.

    Kobe Bryant and McGrady both played on pretty bad teams those years (Kobe in the mid 00′s and McGrady in the early 00′s) McGrady got low 40 wins in a VERY weak Eastern Conference , whereas Kobe got his teams mid 40 wins in a very STRONG Western conference. The stats were all similar, but that was the only thing separating the two imo.

  • Caboose

    I’ll argue that Kobe had a better 06 team than McGrady had in 03. The 2-5 highest scorers on that Magic team (Mike Miller, Grant Hill, Gordan Giricek, Drew Gooden) all played less than 50 games. In fact, Hill, Giricek, and Gooden all played less than 30 games. The next best player was Pat Garrity.

  • The Seed

    McGrady finished in the top eight in the MVP voting six times from 2000-01 through 2007-08. However, he never won the award, and his best finish was fourth place in both 2001-02 and 2002-03. He was never regarded as “THE GREAT” player you state.

    Starting with the 2005-06 season, McGrady frequently had problems with both his back and his knees. In his final four full seasons with the Rockets, McGrady played in just 219 out of a possible 328 regular season games, plus he missed the entire 2009 playoffs.

    On the one hand, McGrady was somewhat infamous for never leading a team beyond the first round of the playoffs. During his time in Houston, the only time the team advanced to the conference semifinals was 2008-09, a season when McGrady missed 47 regular season games and all of the playoffs due to an injury to his left knee.

    T_MAC is not what you say he is. Sorry, can’t see it.

  • bringbackthesonics

    “Every now and then, we will attempt to write the worst sports column on earth.”

  • Caboose

    Sigh, you are REALLY ignoring so much of what he did. And you know it.

  • grgeblck

    He knows he is not, that’s why he say those things to make himself feels better.

  • Sergio

    Please, man. Kobe from 2003 to 2010 could power teams to wins better than T Mac in 03. Also, T Mac was great, but he had 1 awesome season and there are a lot of folks saying that he was better than Kobe. Just stop.

    And AI, Lebron and Shaq were not better at powering their teams to wins than Kobe. Lebron took the Cavs to the Finals in a very weak east, and could only win when he had the best team in the League. As for Shaq, he had a premier shooting guard by his side for his entire prime, and failed to deliver a lot of times.

  • Caboose

    You sir, do not know what you’re talking about. If you REALLY think Kobe got more wins for his team than LeBron, you’re delusional, by all counts of any statistical data.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Guaransheed.

  • Evan Boland

    AI, yes, T-Mac, ehh..

  • Evan Boland

    Wade carried that team on his back in the finals. It was one of the best finals performances of all-time.

  • spit hot fiyah

    wow, my bad i missed it. he was catching heat in the comment section lol.

  • danpowers

    tmac never made it to the finals but i wasnt referring to playoff success anyway. i meant having an incredible individual impact on wins in general. just check wades 08/09 season and the roster he carried to the playoffs. that was insane and nothing short of what mcgrady did.

  • danpowers

    if mcgrady and carter wouldve just stayed in toronto…. *sigh*

  • danpowers

    are you on crack man? the lakers had the luxury to put many teams around kobe that won even though he was their main guy. with no high profile rosters around bryant the lakers didnt win sh*t. kobe just got his big individual numbers.

    lebron james took bad teams that equaled bryant’s bad teams to the freaking finals. there is no contest

  • shang tsung

    flawless victory!

  • Basketball Coach

    what? really? you clearly don’t know how T-Mac played during his prime.

    http://basketballcoach.ca/

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    what about ai? is he eligible 5 years after his official retirement or after the last season he played? that would mean he could be in as soon as 2015!

  • danpowers

    shaq and haslem didnt play too bad neither…

  • TR

    G.Hill could go in off his college reputation combined with what he did in the league plus just being respected as an individual. bball HOF isnt all about how you played. Its no NFL or MLB HOF where the standards are set so that only the very best get in.

  • JackPackage

    Is it really a question whether he is HoF worthy? He obviously is.

    Based on numbers alone he is in elite company. No way he isn’t a Hall of Famer.

    You want a contentious case? Shawn Marion.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Not sure what the criteria is for the hall of fame, but I’m pretty sure numbers alone wont do it because if it did Stephon Marbury is going to the Hall of Fame too!

  • K_HOLIDAY

    PREACH!

  • K_HOLIDAY

    LMAO!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in the finals……where Shaq was still being double teamed on every possession.
    .
    but yes, Wade carried them for 4 games. Which is hardly the same thing as for an entire season + playoffs.

  • pposse

    when the rules initially changed in the NBA wasn’t the idea to promote scoring? With this in mind..some of TMac’s number’s should be taken with a grain of salt. if your putting T MAc in then down the line you are going to be putting a lot of borderline ball – good ball players, excellent for some years but overall good ball players in.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wade’s teammates in 08/09 were damn good compared to McGrady’s in 02/03. Sh*t, McGrady did not have a single other starter play more than 55 games. Udonis Haslem and Mario Chalmers played 75+ for Miami that year. And Shawn Marion (the best complimentary player on Miami) played in 47 games. While Grant Hill (the best complimentary player on Orlando) played in only 29 games.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The rule change that really enhanced *individual scoring happened right before the 2005-06 season. 3 years after McGrady’s ridiculous year with the Magic.

  • danpowers

    i will not disagree that this heat team was a better supporting cast than the 02/03 magic. even though the heat were a bunch of nice players, the heavy load was on wade. his individual output was just impressive. i think it is fair to say that 08/09 performance that year equaled mcgrady’s 02/03 year. with no disrespect to mcgradys campaign(s) with the magic. the word that describes healthy t-mac best is “insane”.

  • shockexchange

    dan, this is probably the best summary of The Kang / Horry Jr debate. Cats are getting their feelings involved while you’re speaking facts.

    The Kang fans are from Mars … Horry Jr fans are from Venus

  • shockexchange

    McGrady and Vince Carter were poised to grow into a devastating combination in Toronto. However, McGrady didn’t want to be overshadowed by Vince so he left for Orlando so he could be “the man.” It’s hard to argue later that he didn’t have a supporting cast in Orlando, because that’s what he bargained for.

    Some players, including McGrady, would rather put up stats on bad teams than actually play on a good team and be held to high expectations. McGrady didn’t want the pressure of expectations, and that’s why he shouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame.

  • danpowers

    what an honor to hear/read that from the shock exchange

  • BCoops

    nbk: Crushing the average persons opinions one chunk of stats at a time.

  • danpowers

    yup, because back then everybody wanted to be like mike. really a shame, carter and mcgrady in toronto wouldve been playing for a title for at least 2 seasons (considering their health) and who knows, maybe longer as teaming up wouldve spared them alot of contact imo

  • shockexchange

    You summed up a few sentences what it took the Shock Exchange two years to say. He’s not worthy.

  • danpowers

    just tried to keep it as simple as possible for both parties. you gotta adjust to your audience/readers lol

  • shockexchange

    McGrady was not ready for the L right out of high school. Everybody knew that. Toronto waited for him to get some seasoning and when it was time for him to give them a return on their investment, McGrady bolted. He never won anything and never played on any meaningful teams. He made a lot of money and took a lot of shots, and that’s how he should be remembered. <—- That's what happens when you take career advice from Shelley Long.

  • danpowers

    well, i dont know if thats a fair judgement. he indeed didnt score that efficient and got a more than fair return for giving up his body. at the other hand he was gifted and you can tell by the show he put up while he was healthy that he also worked hard on his game. nobody is just talented goes out there and puts up his numbers without hard work or a will to succeed.

    maybe the tragedy besides his injuries was, as you mentioned, taking career advice from shelley long lol

  • shockexchange

    It’s a shame McGrady got hurt. SE wouldn’t wish a bad back on anybody. That said, “That dog ain’t never caught a rabbitt … that dog don’t hunt.”

  • Evan Boland

    True, but he was truly spectacular and I’m sure he could carry a team just as well as Kobe/AI in his prime.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean, yeah comparatively sure. 08/09 is proof he can pull a bottom of the heap type team to the playoffs.
    .
    i personally think McGrady’s 02-03 Season was the 2nd best individual season on a low talent team in the last decade to Kobe’s season in 05-06. But I wouldn’t argue with anyone who argues, Wade(08-09), or James(06-07)

  • derrick

    CHECK OUT WHY HE HAS HALL OF FAME NUMBERS

    TMAC Tribute
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0lFHcB0g5w

  • dara-krung

    t-mac is greater than lebron!!!!

  • http://reverbnation.com/ends1 ENDS

    not sure if you remember but the 04 season with the next last in the magic 21-61 that’s the main reason we got Dwight. right after we drafted him and Jameer
    he demanded and got the trip to Houston

  • Saleem Rainman

    yup. i recalled that exactly 24 hours after i posted that lol. thats on me.

  • http://reverbnation.com/ends1 ENDS

    I got you

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