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Thursday, September 19th, 2013 at 8:30 am  |  117 responses

Paul George Will Sign Extension With Pacers Before Season Begins


by Leo Sepkowitz | @LeoSepkowitz

You can officially kill the Paul George-to-LA talks. George, currently scheduled to be a restricted free agent after the upcoming season, has no intentions of leaving Indiana. The news comes via the IndyStar:

“Indiana Pacers All-Star forward Paul George said today the team’s fans don’t need to worry about him going anywhere. Indianapolis is his professional home and he plans to be here for a long time. ‘(A long-term contract) is going to get done,’ George told The Indianapolis Star. ‘There will be a deal signed and sealed on the table before the season. We’re (George and Pacers management) on the same page.’ ‘No,’ George said when asked if there was any chance he would leave the Pacers. ‘Honestly, I love it here. I want to be here. It’s a great place. There are no distractions. I can stay focused. It’s all about basketball here. I can stay focused and do my job.’ Pacers President Larry Bird said earlier this week he hopes to reach a deal before the season because it would remove a potential distraction and give George a sense of security that many players crave — including Bird himself during his Hall of Fame career with the Boston Celtics. ‘We are working on it now,’ Bird said. ‘We’ve got a way set up where we definitely think we can get something done, but it’s going to have to work for both parties.’”

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  • danpowers

    that upcoming free agent class wont be that big as all the fuzz about it anyway. most stars will re-sign with their teams and whoever gets available will most likely be too old to make a long term impact if at all.

  • shockexchange

    Agreed. After The Kang, Bosh and Wade bragged about partnering up, i.e. “outsmarting the owners,” what did the owners do? In the next CBA, they included economic disincentives for players to partner together.

  • berkamore

    Shhh. Don’t say that to the Lakers, LOL. Carmelo says he isn’t going anywhere, now George seems to be staying put. You are right, next summer might not be what it is being built up to be. We’ll see.

  • danpowers

    lol thats equally bad for the knicks. this roster would need an overhaul in the next one or two seasons, but there is no messiah out for grabs. i think that this is a good thing tho. the longer stars are bound to their teams the more fans can identify with their teams. all this mercenary stuff / too many changing teams is good for interesting offseason articles, but what is it that we root for then? just a logo and an arena?

  • danpowers

    which is a good thing in the long run imo

  • ctk

    Soon as u get your money …welcome to the Iggy n Deng class…u was underrated on the rookie deal …soon as the extension comes u become overrated …cause people expectedu to be something u not aka a scorer …good luck

  • straight cake

    Knicks clear cap space in 2015, how is that a bad thing…

  • danpowers

    “bad” was a little exaggeration by me. i just dont expect the free agent class by then to be stacked with great players in or before their prime.

  • shockexchange

    Maybe. It reflects the fact that teams really can’t help themselves through the draft. If you want to win a chip, you have to align yourself with proven players.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    San Antonio is completely built through the draft. So…..uh……no.

  • danpowers

    so is okc. didnt win a chip yet but a first tier contender.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    pretty much the only teams who don’t build through the draft are the big market teams who can eat a ton of salary. which hasn’t changed. the new CBA was about making the owners more money. only an idiot believes it was really about competitive balance.

  • danpowers

    there are examples of successful teams either way. as nbk stated, one of the best franchises ever built its roster through the draft. okc – a top contender is also built through the draft. the bulls dynasty in the 90s got their superstar duo through the draft.

    other models like the lakers of the 2000s / 2010s are a mix of draft (bryant) and nice signings/trades (shaq/gasol).
    same with the celtics in 08 pierce / rondo – drafted. allen / kg – added.

    imo there is no blue print for a gold standard to form a championship team.

  • danpowers

    doesnt that new CBA make it even more expensive for owners of big market teams to spend big? that wont lead to a totally balanced nba with equal rights/conditions for all teams but what else should the league do to get a more balanced league?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Sure it does penalize teams for overpaying. But it’s not a penalty that really kills anyone in the end. LAL for example has a TV deal that more than covers any tax penalty. And look at them, they will have a ton of cap space next summer, they may end up adding 2 marquee free agents. Is that any different then before?

  • shockexchange

    In today’s post-expansion era, you really can’t win a chip through the draft. You named one or two teams who were successful through the draft. But for every one team you named, the Shock Exchange can name 20 who haven’t been able to make it through the draft. The fact that CP3, The Kang, Bosh, Rent-A-Center, Black Ric Flair, DWill, have all talked about partnering up is symbolic of that.

    Secondly, a few teams, including Cleveland, were trying to trade away their top picks in exchange for proven players. Even if you don’t take what SE says at face value, the behavior of the players and owners suggest that trying to build through the draft is the equivalent of “chasing windmills.”

  • shockexchange

    When Mark Cuban couldn’t block The Kang, Black Ric Flair and Bosh teaming up, he was so pissed off that he vowed to make it more difficult for players to imitate their behavior by inserting new language into the CBA. That’s simply a fact.

  • danpowers

    lol i see. but still, youre talking about 20 teams but there is only one championship for grabs each year. in the last years quite some of those chips were naturally built teams same as “teamed up” stars. 4 went to the spurs, 6 to the bulls. most successful teams were a smart mix of both: smart draft policy and good trades / free agency moves.

  • danpowers

    lol ok, co-sign

  • danpowers

    not much but tell me names. which 2 guys are going to make the lakers contenders? i dont know if the cba has something to do with it but there aint too many franchise players out for grabs imo.

  • shockexchange

    When you refer to the spurs and the bulls, those teams were mainly built when you could get proven players in the draft. What players in recent drafts were ready to come in and contribute real time the way Tim Duncan, MJ, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, et. al. were able to?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m out on the road visiting jobs, I’ll give you a good answer when I get back.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Mark Cuban voted against the changes to the CBA actually. Stop believing Shock Exchange. Like really?

  • dkdidi

    dang

    paul george lebron james combo in miami woulda been tight

  • danpowers

    e.g. each years rookie of the year?

  • danpowers
  • shockexchange

    Not sure, but they each were high draft choices who came in and contributed early and often. Other than MJ, they all stayed 4 years in college also.

  • shockexchange

    Following article suggests that the owners intention with the last CBA was to break up the pairing of Lebron, Wade and Bosh. It was Cuban who initially led the charge to block their pairing. This is actually common knowledge. ( http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/12/22/heat-owner-mickey-arison-voted-against-cba/ )

    “For nearly two years of negotiating, owners wanted things like a hard salary cap, the elimination of guaranteed contracts, rollbacks of current salaries and a massive reduction in the players’ share of
    basketball-related income. After locking out players on July 1, it took nearly five more months to reach an agreement.

    And there was a sense that some clubs wanted a deal that would
    essentially break up the Heat, or at least the pairing of James, Wade and Bosh. Arison said the Heat never thought that would be necessary.”

  • 23

    The Lakers win championships thru free agency and trades. Always have.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/09/mark-cuban-voted-against-new-labor-agreement-explains-mavs-thinking-regarding-free-agency/
    .
    Mark Cuban was one of the 5 owners to vote against the new CBA. cool article tho, basing things off of Micky Arison’s complaints (the guy who said they lost money after winning the title…..lol, which is a blatant lie).

  • shockexchange

    Nobody ever said he signed the CBA. However, he led the charge on trying to block the pairing of LeBon, Wade, Bosh. He also rallied other owners against it. http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/07/mark_cuban_heat_tampering.html

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Without looking too deeply, this seems realistic,
    - 2014-15 LA Lakers

    - Steve Nash/Kyle Lowry, Kobe Bryant, Luol Deng, Pau Gasol, Anderson Verajao
    Maybe not a “contender” but a definite top 5 team in the West. (Note, I haven’t done much other than looking at the list you sent me)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yes, because he thought there was collusion. Not something wrong with the CBA. Cool associating two unrelated thugs tho, that’s not a logical fallacy.

  • shockexchange

    And after all the back and forth, the new CBA did not include economic disincentives for players to partner together. Thanks for clearing that up.

    What’s your next comeback? “Shock I totally disagree with you. There is no evidence of life on Mars. danpowers, that’s why you shouldn’t listen to the Shock Exchange.”

  • Wings23

    Paul George needs to be more of a game changer on offense but the kid has talent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    they never tried to put disincentives for players to partner together. LOL, the issue was about players communicating before they were free agents. Which is called collusion. Which is what Cuban and many other owners felt (still do) that Wade/James/Bosh did during their first time teaming up in 2008.
    .
    it’s not a comeback. it’s about saying what really happened. Not making up wildly illogical associations and bunching them altogether in whatever way suits what you are saying.

  • shockexchange

    These players without a college degree outsmarted the billionaire owners. Mark Cuban got really mad about it and vowed to do something about it. Instead of saying, “These black people work for us. We tell them what to do. They don’t tell us what they are going to do,” Cuban decided to put a stop to it under the guise of “collusion.” How can three people (Wade, Bosh, LeBron) collude for the benefit of one – Mickey Arison?

    (The Bunk voice) “The bigger the lie … the more they believe.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what? the collusion didn’t have to include Arison. For all we know it just included whichever team could afford all 3. And Miami was that team. It’s not about “the white man controlling the destiny of the black man” or whatever you are now trying to spin this into. Collusion has always been illegal. There is no rule change necessary to prevent something that is already outlawed. LOL. Cuban wanted to prove that collusion happened. But he couldn’t. And that was that.

  • berkamore

    What is it that we root for? Man, that’s a really deep issue. I read somewhere that we “root for laundry”. I don’t know. I have to think about this one, let it simmer a little bit……………..

    And I’m with you on players staying put. The grass isn’t always greener anyway.

  • spit hot fiyah

    there is a difference between being over/underrated and over/underpaid

  • LP @ThisisEther

    The current Bulls built through the draft also..minus Booze. Just thought I’d throw that in there.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    These nicknames tho…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Of the top 8 teams in the league.
    .
    Miami (Free Agency)
    San Antonio (Draft)
    Oklahoma City (Draft)
    Clippers (Draft / Trades / Free Agency)
    Bulls (Draft)
    Pacers (Draft)
    Nets (Free Agency / Trades)
    Houston (Free Agency / Trades — All via acquiring Draft Picks).
    .
    The draft still reigns supreme. Despite Shock Exchange spouting out all his BS.

  • C.M.G

    Blue pill or the red pill…..either one you take the heat are gonna 3peat

  • shockexchange

    LOL

  • Busta213

    I really dont think you’ll be able to find any evidence of Cuban using the current CBA as a tool to break up the Heat (or similar situations).

  • Busta213

    Not sure why this would get voted down? Cuban wanted the NBA to investigate collusion with the Heat. However he was not in favour of the CBA and how it prevents teams from spending.

  • shockexchange

    Of the bottom 15 teams – Phila, Detroit, Toronto, Washington, Cleveland, Charlotte, Orlando, Utah, Dallas, Portland, Minnesota, Sacramento, New Orleans, and Phoenix – all have relied on the draft.

    That’s why they are at the bottom. And once the top teams start cherry-picking their best players, they gon’ remain at the bottom.

  • bike

    The pieces are in place
    For an epic ECF showdown
    Between the Heat and the Pacers
    So let it be said
    So let it be written
    Et cetera, Et cetera, Et cetera

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the votes have nothing to do with people actually understanding what they are reading. lol, they just don’t like me. I get voted down on almost every comment by one or two people. No matter how irrelevant or correct the comment is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    - Phoenix relied on the draft? — when?
    - New Orleans is still rebuilding…..which will be paying off soon.
    - Cleveland built through the draft? just in the last 3 years. Yeah, let’s judge a team based off of a 3 year rebuild. That’s not stupid.
    - Charlotte? Yeah, they draft horrible.
    - Orlando? When? This season? That’s it…..
    - Toronto? By what measure? Rudy Gay/Kyle Lowry/Landry Fields/Amir Johnson, the majority of their roster were acquired via free agency or trade
    - Portland? — yep, they have only made the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years…..
    - Dallas? built through the draft? are you this dumb on purpose?
    - Minnesota? Yep, they draft bad. Still going to compete for the playoffs though. Which is kind of the point.
    - Sacramento? Partly, i guess. They ahve been budgeting though, not trying to compete. This is the first year their ownership has been trying to win in years.
    - Philadelphia just hit reset. They were poised to compete via a TRADE. Now are building through the draft, since their apex of the last rebuild blew up in their face. Which resulted in a TRADE that was supposed to make them competitive. A TRADE.

    So for the most part, you are blatantly wrong or ignoring any context.
    .
    I expect no more from you actually.

  • Busta213

    Why would Arison be the only one to benefit from the “collusion” (?) when the main point was about legacy-building?Both LeBron and Wade have secured themselves as all-time greats and Bosh will make the HOF.

    The new CBA doesnt prevent other players from doing the same thing – it just means they are likely to earn less while doing it. but even that is nothing new – the Heatles all knew they could earn more under a different setting.

    And lets be clear, the NBA does NOT have rules against players talking

    “Players on different teams who discuss the idea of someday playing together “is not tampering or collusion that is prohibited,” Stern said.”

  • ctk

    Agree but the casual fan don’t know the difference

  • danpowers

    “Maybe not a “contender”" thats what i was referring to. i also expect a handfull of nice assets to sign with the lakers. its just not really that there is a franchise changer out there (realisticly speaking based on todays situation). maybe there will be an mip – mcgrady style – out there this season or injuries / draft talents may shake it all up. just for now it looks like bryant will have to call it a career with 5 rings.

  • danpowers

    theyve always had the great buss being the man in la. nowadays all they have is a b*tchy superstar beyond his prime and a not so great buss to pull the strings in the background. not to speak of their coach antoni who has a reputation to try to push players into his system instead adjusting to the material he has. la will still be an attractive destination for free agents just because of the city. id just be suprised if the lakers would be considered a contender within the next 2 or 3 seasons.

  • danpowers

    as nbk stated, cuban voted againsst the last CBA but still an interesting article.

  • danpowers

    i think there are enough players out there who serve es examples either way – some enter the league more or less ready even though they just had one year in college while others stay 4 years and dont really become star players or even good role players and vice versa.

  • danpowers

    consistency is the key word for him

  • spit hot fiyah

    casual fans don’t even know how much guys are getting paid

  • shockexchange

    None of those scenarios add up to “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L,” so you know what that means …

  • danpowers

    yup: the clippers will be THE team in la for years to come. if somebody told me that during the 2000s or 90s i wouldve laughed my a*s off.

  • straight cake

    Boston is a big market and as far as I know they have mostly built through the draft just like in the 80′s when they were battling Magic and Kareem’s Lakers.

  • shockexchange

    The Lakers running guys off (Shaq, Odom) and throwing guys under the bus (Pau, Bynum) have finally caught up with them. The one guy they stan for – Horry Jr – heck, Rent-A-Center requested that he get amnestied. That’s how bad it’s gotten in Laker Nation.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i just couldn’t use them recently. in “this model” of the NBA they have experienced all of their success using trades…..through the draft. — I don’t like giving clueless people like Shock even the smallest amount of slack to run with. So if he brings it up I will shoot it down, but just don’t like to leave anything to run ignorantly around with like a child with scissors.

  • danpowers

    too bad. at least buss sr. doesnt have to see that anymore. he was a great owner and played a big role in making the nba the big that it is today.

  • Smits#45

    I don’t get it why people always bring up Wade, Lebron and Bosh when the conversation is about players teaming up. I mean, weren’t Pierce, Garnett and Allen the first ones to do this?

  • straight cake

    He has the potential to be a game changer for sure:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8nkTQCW68w

  • Evan Boland

    I think it’s the other way around, actually.

  • Evan Boland

    Completely different. Wade, Bosh and ‘Bron talked about teaming up prior to it happening and manufactured the whole thing. KG and Ray just got traded ’cause Minn and Seattle wanted to re-build. Boston wanted to get back in the playoff picture. So different. Miami had a pre-season title celebration. And NO, in that case, MANY teams have done it b4 Boston did.

  • Evan Boland

    … Magic. Kobe.

  • BugEyes

    I would lock this kid up 20 years for 20 million holla ay em

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Both acquired via trade.

  • Smits#45

    LOL! You’re right! Totally forgot the weren’t free agents at the time. Silly old me.

  • 23

    Kareem. Shaq. Gasol.

  • 23

    Pacers became threats when they signed DWest. Don’t forget scola. And GHill was somewhat effective at times.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ok……there is never going to be a team that exclusively does anything. Hibbert/George/Granger, their core is draft. They acquired George Hill by trading a draft pick. They have operated through the draft for the most part. And it is the reason they are where they are. David West would be irrelevant if they didn’t draft so well while putting so much stock in their draft day process.

  • Doughnuss

    Hey Shock Exchange

    What does the fox say?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

  • Vote4Mercy

    nbk i think you’ll find this video interesting. #childrenofAdam #humanity

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydlrg7zFP6w

  • shoutouttotheSHOCK

    Dude no way

    Imagine this line up

    Lebron Paul George Danny Granger David West Roy Hibbert

    Make it happen Larry Bird – you know lebron all ready got 100 mil out of nike why does he need NBA money… to build a crib in anartica???

    Those lebron 13s would be yam in a dark blue with YELLOw and White

  • Youngindy21

    This is great news and all but I still think it kinda sucks that the Pacers will probably have to get rid of Danny Granger as he is one of my favorite Pacers. I wish they could keep both.

  • JamminS

    Thank god he’s staying in Indiana, I’d like to see another Indiana-Miami Eastern Conference Final again

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  • Clos1881

    It wasn’t working until kg and ray came

  • Interdico Scriptor

    lol. Using SAS in any sentence as a basketball reference is kinda bizarre because they break the mold in so many ways. They’re archetypal in that respect, epitomising the best of the league; as u say drafting well, international players; an excellent system; a coach the team buys into; a team the coach buys into; perennial stars who make it clear they’re staying; commitment to defence – results being perennial contenders with status.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Can OKC still contend and not just be a tier team with such a limited bench?

  • Interdico Scriptor

    You’re… intriguing. I’m not entirely convinced you’re not some laboratory computer program who just randomly spits out rearranged verbs and tricky code names; but also, I see a human side, a tragic crying clown kinda guy. I’m not sure which one; it could go either way.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    It’s a predicament. Granted. But also one that’s hard to oversee because it would involve all the off season machinations that are not available for scrutiny to execs or owners alike at further request.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Nash & Farmar

  • Interdico Scriptor

    It’s good to hear that from u

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Metta would disagree

  • Interdico Scriptor

    It has. Can the Clipps rise up?

  • Busta213

    The Lakers owned the Jazz’s draft pick when they got Magic. A couple of years later LA drafted James Worthy

  • Busta213

    Lol, haters everywhere, maaan

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Who’s better? DGranger (prime) or Paul George? Scratch that. Who’s better now? Pacers say George; what’s the skinny there? And don’t give me that ish about LakerLand pls

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Phew. I was worried their’d be a sweeping statement.

  • danpowers

    yup. durant and westbrook are so good, they could even reach the finals if i was coaching them – drunk.

    their regular season record may get a little worse, but in the playoffs bench rotations are cut short anyway and depth has less impact on the outcome of games. if their duo (trio) of durant and westbrook (ibaka) stays healthy they are contenders.

  • danpowers

    lol why that?

  • danpowers

    catchy, isnt it? lol

  • danpowers

    i dont want to get eurocentric here or put science as a gold standard for anything. neither would i claim that laicistic nations run things for the well being of the majority of the people, but:

    muslim religious governments change things for the worse for the majority of their people and even tend to violate universal human rights more than laicistic democratically elected governments. he made some valid points, but this aspect should be crucial and he totally f*cked up at this point.

    and by the way, many “facts” or arguments he makes there are not really more than assumptions with factual proof which could also be made the other way.

    i like his beard tho

  • danpowers

    Granger prime was better than george last season. But George is better than granger is now. And George will be better this upcoming season than Granger ever was.

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Rondo was drafted by the suns…

  • danpowers

    my bad.

  • straight cake

    that’s just one example compared to the Lakers where free agency is their bread and butter.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right, but they acquired that Jazz draft pick via trade…..errrr….highway robbery.
    .
    LA has never hit reset. That’s the point.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Prime Granger was very good. But this Paul George will likely be better than even that. As of today, George is definitely better. Prime vs Prime, who knows. Paul George is 24, might be a little bit before he gets there.

  • Vote4Mercy

    Who determines what the standard is for “Universal Human Rights”?

    What is the absolute narrative of time?
    Is there really a last hour coming and eventually a Day of Judgement?
    Did the Uncreated Creator (Does it logically make sense that an Uncreated entity exists) make contact with human beings through Messengers?

    To really understand any structure or system one must back track to the origin of the information. So with the human project is it possible to find any source that tells humans what is there absolute purpose here on planet Earth and provides EVIDENCE to back it up?

    I present one piece:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Gabriel

    1. Do Angels exists?

    2. why is it that in the same conversation outlining the Muslims CORE beliefs that minors signs of the Day of Judgement are stated. I mean 50 years ago bedouin arabs were living primitive while the western world was flourishing and now they are competing in constructing the tallest buildings – example: Dubai, Saudia Arabia
    3. Slave giving birth to her master – surrogate births.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t disagree. my point is that Shock Exchange is using unrelated problems (collusion) —> to argue that the league/Mark Cuban changed the CBA to prevent that from happening.

    - The CBA was changed to make the owners more money.
    —- Revenue sharing was implemented. The luxury tax feeds back into the league. It’s not like that money just disappears into the wilderness. Big Market teams can still afford to pay a tax penalty with little to no serious ramifications to their bottom line. Free Agents still hold all the power during summer. Player’s are still dictating where they go, and will continue to do so as long as there is a rookie salary scale, max salary, and soft cap.
    .
    To argue that Mark Cuban (who has been trying to sign 2 marquee free agents every summer for 3 years) tried to make signing multiple free agents near impossible is flat out ignorant.
    .
    And it’s just disappointing that people read the Shock Exchange grabbing some legitimate complaints, and twisting them into fiction, then just believe him because it sounds like it might make sense.

  • danpowers

    “Who determines what the standard is for “Universal Human Rights”?”
    http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

    “What is the absolute narrative of time?
    Is there really a last hour coming and eventually a Day of Judgement? Did the Uncreated Creator (Does it logically make sense that an Uncreatedentity exists) make contact with human beings through Messengers?”

    its ok to deal with these philosophical questions but honestly, if we as mankind would care more about the people who live in this world instead of worrying who created it how, this place would be a better place for all of us.

    “To really understand any structure or system one must back track to the origin of the information. So with the human project is it possible to find any source that tells humans what is there absolute purpose here
    on planet Earth and provides EVIDENCE to back it up?
    I present one piece:”

    that is not evidence. that are letters written by humans with intentions and motives, subjective feelings etc… same as the vehds, the bible, the tora, you name em.

    “1. Do Angels exists?”
    to me an absolutely irrelevant question for how people in general should administrate their lives and to whom they hand political power.

    “2. why is it that in the same conversation outlining the Muslims CORE beliefs that minors signs of the Day of Judgement are stated. I mean 50 years ago bedouin arabs were living primitive while the western world was flourishing and now they are competing in constructing the tallest buildings – example: Dubai, Saudia Arabia”
    as long as theyre getting paid for oil. thats capitalism, plain and simple.

    “3. Slave giving birth to her master – surrogate births.”
    should i also throw in random stuff with no relevance to anything or just nodd it off?

    just look at how the situation for so many people worsened when the muslims took over iran. just talk to exile iranians about their lives over there back then and today. im not saying christians are better. its just a shallow assumption to state anything would be better under the governance of a religious government – regardless wheather its muslim, hindu, christian, jewish, etc… same goes for political extremes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Thank you. I did not want to get into this.

  • danpowers

    i didnt put too much effort into that. could you jump in for me when he replies? that would be very kind lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol nah, I don’t want to take part in any “look how this country does a couple things right so we should adopt their whole system” debates. All countries/religions have serious, serious issues. Supporters of them are not going to admit that, or be flexible in their core beliefs. We as Humans identify ourselves by the groups we associate ourselves with. Whether we are conscious of it or not. No use in trying to get someone to change a core part of their identity. Or even argue over it. At least, imo.

  • danpowers

    i see i see

  • Vote4Mercy

    instead of continuing… i leave you with an image of a nicer beard lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZAwE5kQfuQ

  • danpowers

    this is indeed a very beautiful beard lol

  • Evan Boland

    Haha, true. Didn’t even think of it.

  • Caboose

    Why did you get into this?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because people believed him, and i only like to have 3 people at most who are incredibly dumb at any one time. didn’t want him to spawn any more.

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