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Thursday, October 3rd, 2013 at 11:05 am  |  52 responses

Danny Ainge Sees No Franchise Players in Next Year’s NBA Draft


With apologies to Andrew Wiggins and everyone else in next year’s loaded NBA Draft, Boston Celtics GM Danny Ainge — who swears the C’s aren’t tanking, no sir! — simply doesn’t view anyone coming out of college as a franchise-altering player. Per SI: “As I walk around town, more than anything else there are those that say, ‘Hey, don’t win too many games,’ said Ainge, the Celtics’ president of basketball operations. ‘There are so many fans that want us to play for the draft.’ Ainge’s measured response is that they should be more careful what they wish for. ‘That’s harder than people recognize,’ said Ainge of losing as a strategy. ‘It’s a really easy thing to conceptualize, and an easy thing to talk about and philosophize about. But it’s a hard thing to live through — for fans, for coaches, for owners, for sponsors, for our TV partners.’ It was the pain of losing that forced his coach of nine years, Doc Rivers, to relocate, with great irony, to the Clippers. ‘Right,’ said Ainge. ‘It’s a really hard thing to do.’ Without ever mentioning the name of the consensus No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins, Ainge made it clear that he does not believe the Kansas freshman carries the value of Kevin Durant, with whom he is often compared. ‘If Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was out there to change your franchise forever, or Tim Duncan was going to change your franchise for 15 years? That might be a different story,’ said Ainge. ‘I don’t see that player out there.’ [...] ‘I could see our team playing better than what some people think,’ said Ainge. ‘But I could also see us having some struggles because we don’t really have that star. With the exception of (Rajon) Rondo, of course; but we don’t know when he’ll be back.’”

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is called trolling. and Danny Ainge is really good at it.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    1-14 next year have chance to either be franchise or allstars

    even some of the projected 2nd rounders as well

  • Enigmatic

    Man, the 2014 draft is so deep, I’m pulling for the Bobcats to win enough games to move into the 11-13 range in the draft, so my Bulls can have a shot at taking someone like Willie Cauley-Stein or James Young or Wayne Selden. Guys who would easily be top 10 picks in most drafts but might slip in this one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You calm down, your excitement is overwhelming

  • Enigmatic

    My bad,

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    for real though, if y’all somehow end up with one of the falling wings that should be a lottery pick in most drafts…….sh*t, this draft might just bail y’all out, Carlos Boozer = Gone (amnesty if Reinsdorf so approves), you can take losing Luol Deng, and still be totally set to compete for the next few years.

  • shockexchange

    Interpretation: “It’s difficult to build through the draft.” De facto co-sign for the Shock Exchange!

  • Enigmatic

    Yeah, if Boozer gets amnestied, hopefully Nikola Mirotic finally comes over. Many who has seen him have raved about him. And they would feel much better about letting Deng walk if they managed to snatch up a James Young, Glenn Robinson III or Aaron Gordon, for sure. Not sure they’d maintain the same level of competitiveness in year one after Deng and Boozer, but long-term they’d do alright.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah i think Long Term is what is important. Noah/Gibson are really the only 2 entering/in their prime who should be part of the long term plan, the rest are still so damn young. Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose is one hell of a foundation with those two bigs.

  • Enigmatic

    I was talking to another Bulls fan who said he wouldn’t want the scenario I stated above to play out that way because he feels the Bulls could potentially lose out on a future top-5 pick. I told him the Bobcats/Hornets could improve, possibly make the playoffs in later seasons and even if they didn’t, what if we finally get their pick in a weak draft? Your thoughts?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk, i think i’d rather end up with picks now then later, assets are always better to have then to think about having someday and the Pelicans have a really good chance at making the playoffs this year anyway

  • spit hot fiyah

    try these danny

  • Dfrance

    Lenses in or out?

  • spit hot fiyah

    i chose to be silent in order to not offend westbrook

  • spit hot fiyah

    mirotic looks legit, they need to make that happen

  • Enigmatic

    Yeah, hopefully they finally bring him over for next season. I’ve been looking forward to him coming over for years now.

  • Micah Thomas

    Man, this smacks of Ainge trying to misdirect other teams – he wants Wiggins just as much as anyone else.

  • Jerome

    Ainge is as annoying off-court as he was on it.

  • Caboose

    When was the last time a draft DID NOT have a franchise player?
    2012: Davis, Lillard, maybe Drummond
    2011: Kyrie
    2010: Wall, George, maybe Cousins
    2009: Griffin, Harden, Curry, maybe Rubio
    2008: Rose, Westbrook, Love, maybe Hibbert, maybe Brook
    2007: Durant, Horford, Gasol
    2006: Aldridge, Rondo
    2005: Paul, Deron, maybe Bynum
    2004: Dwight, maybe Iggy
    2003: Bron, Melo, Bosh, Wade,
    2002: Yao, Amare
    2001: Gasol, Joe, Randolph, Parker, Arenas
    2000: …Michael Redd?

    So yeah, 2000 was the last time a draft lacked a franchise player. This is not one of those drafts.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are being really generous with “franchise” player. Ainge is talking about a guy who turns a team into a contender. You can’t say most of those guys are able to do that.

    really “franchise changing players” is what he was talking about,

    - (2012) Davis
    - (2011) Irving
    - (2010) Wall, “maybe” George, “doubt it” Cousins
    - (2009) i’ll begrudgingly give you Giffin/Harden/Curry but arguable
    - (2008) – Rose/Westbrook/maybe Love
    - (2007) – Durant
    - (2006) – Nobody
    - (2005) – Paul/Deron
    - (2004) – Dwight
    - (2003) – just Darko
    - (2002) – fair
    - (2001) – i can’t say any of them, they are all dependent on equally talented teammates
    - (2000) – how can you forget Marcus Fizer

  • bike

    I don’t think he’s that far off in his assessment. Sure, it’s a very highly rated HS class but they are mostly HS kids who have yet to play a single game at the next level. ‘Franchise changing’ is a pretty hefty label even for someone as talented as Wiggins. Some of these touted prospects are bound to be disappointing this season. It will, no doubt, be fascinating to see what happens with these kids.

  • Rockwell

    lmao Darko

  • Caboose

    That’s fair, but I’ll take Rondo in 2006.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    how though? you have never even seen Rondo as a franchise player. as much as everyone likes to overreact, KG has always been their most important piece

  • Rockwell

    To be fair though, no one player can truly change a franchise’s fortunes by himself, no matter how great he is. KG couldn’t win until he teamed up Pierce and Allen. Kobe couldn’t win without Shaq until the Lakers got Pau.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    refer to 2001,

    “- (2001) – i can’t say any of them, they are all dependent on equally talented teammates”

    — can’t seriously say Kobe is equally talented to Gasol unless your last name is “Baker”

    —— and please look up the Minnesota / Joe Smith fiasco.

  • Drive, Don’t kick out.

    Jabari Parker…?

  • Caboose

    His absolutely ridiculous playoff performances…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So would you have qualified Dennis or Vinnie Johnson as “franchise players” ?

  • Caboose

    Blehhh…you’re making it tough. Let me see what Rondo does this year, then I’ll give you a final say.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s kind of what i do though. especially with the people whose opinions i respect

  • Caboose

    Haha oh I know. I would say, Rondo does need to prove that he can win or at least improve a team that is not studded with HOF’s. Given his impeccable Playoff performances, I have faith. Of course, the converse is that the extra attention he’ll get from defenses could limit him severely and prove it was a byproduct of his system and teammates that made him elite. So, this could be a judgment season. If he’s healthy.

  • Caboose

    And I will contest that Parker has become a franchise PG. The others, meh.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and i will contest that Parker is more a product of his system then a franchise changing player.

  • Caboose

    I just think that (Billups aside), it’s hard to call a Finals MVP a non-franchise player.

    Do you think Parker’s production/impact would suffer on a team without Pop?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    holy revisionist history though.
    .
    he’s a finals MVP because he was being guarded by freaking Daniel Gibson for 4 games. You don’t call Cedric Maxwell a franchise player, he won finals MVP.

  • Caboose

    Alright alright alright, answer my last question though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think Tony Parker would be a decent starting PG if he never had Pop. i doubt he would have ever been an All Star. i really can’t think of any player who so beautifully fit the system he developed in. can you?

  • Caboose

    I meant as of now. Let’s say Tony was just traded for Ricky Rubio, how would he do?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ooooooh, well he would score a lot of points. the team would not be much better. Parker is still not a very good defensive player in general (he does however do his job for SA —- force his guy back towards help) and he doesn’t orchestrate an offense from scratch. Part of his brilliance is in how he stays within the team concept……that just isn’t a real brilliant thing when the team concept isn’t carried out by everyone else.

  • Caboose

    I honestly think Parker is excellent at tempo management. He would be such a good off-court coach, even if on the court he’s not necessarily an offense creator. He can create some scoring options, but only if he’s the one doing it. Meaning, I think if he had a high usage rate, he’d be contributing a lot. He could easily push the upper 20′s in scoring without a leash.

  • D

    I think Ainge is going senile , Or this is all his plan……. the Celtics aren’t tanking why would they tank when there isn’t anything worth tanking for , the draft is really looking bad ;)

  • davidR

    just a guess, but james worthy?

  • Ugh

    Darko got a bahaha out of me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so essentially you think Parker is Allen Iverson without a penchant to jack up bad shots? and you don’t think his rational self control would be a detriment in a less controlled offense? think about it like a very educated person like yourself…..be thrown into the wilderness and told to not only survive, but THRIVE.
    .
    i don’t think so buddy.

  • Ugh

    Ainge’s trigger happy GMing undermines player security and irritates coaches – which is why Doc left and got a contract that says he has final say in personnel decisions, and why the one Celtic in a position to negotiate a contract got a no trade clause put in there.

    He isn’t a very good GM. Barring getting two fading All-Stars for next to nothing – and fire sales to the Celtics and Lakers seem to happen a lot, don’t they? – he’s crap at his job, and this goes to show it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I would say the opposite about Worthy actually….. Lol

  • davidR

    it was a guess haha. showtime lakers were a little before my time.

    just from a glance, worthy was that dude. but was only that dude while magic was playing. after magic retires, worthy falls off.

    i don’t know the context, but from assuming, it looks on the surface like he maximized playing showtime

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Sort of, but worthy could have been like a more scoring based Scottie Pippen offensively if he didn’t develop next to Magic. That’s how good Worthy seemed to be. I mean ofcourse we know about how he could finish the break, and about his sweeping one handed hook/lay-up post up move thing. But he could have really had a few more wrinkles if it was ever asked of him. At least that’s my “scouting” report on his (former) potential

  • KipSmithers

    Bingo!

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Michael Redd could ball.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Michael Redd could shoot*

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