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Tuesday, October 1st, 2013 at 11:11 am  |  104 responses

Doc Rivers Told Chris Paul He Hasn’t Done Anything in the NBA


LA Clippers head coach Doc Rivers introduced himself to his star player in the bluntest way imaginable — Chris Paul says that Rivers shrugged off the point guard’s career to this point, since CP3 hasn’t won big. Not yet, anyway. Per the LA Times: “The pleasantries quickly gave way to a more sobering discussion when Doc Rivers first met with Chris Paul. Topics of conversation did not include Paul’s six All-Star game appearances, his unmatched ability to close out games or his status as possibly the best point guard in the NBA. ‘He pretty much told me I wasn’t anything,’ Paul said Monday during the Clippers’ annual media day. ‘He told me I hadn’t done anything, and he was right.’ Welcome to life with the league’s most painfully sincere coach. Hard questions can be asked. Perceptions of one’s self can change. Feelings can be hurt. But here’s the thing: Championships can be won. ‘I’m honest,’ Rivers said in the biggest understatement of the day. For a Clippers franchise that has never gotten to the conference finals, Rivers’ candor is as alluring as the new light-blue alternate uniforms the team unveiled. His frankness grabs your attention like an open parking space in a dusty media lot suddenly overrun by reporters drawn to the buzz of the most captivating team in Los Angeles. ‘He’s been straight-up, he’s been very real and when he talks you can tell he has the attention of everybody,’ super-sub Jamal Crawford said. ‘Winning that championship, being there contending, he did it as a player and now as a coach. He has everyone’s respect.’ Not that it’s always fun to hear what Rivers has to say. He told DeAndre Jordan that he should contend for NBA defensive player of the year. He told Blake Griffin that he needed to develop his face-up offensive game. He told Paul that he could help him improve on both sides of the ball. ‘Until somebody goes 100% from the field or stops someone every time on defense,’ Paul said, ‘you can always get better and I feel like Doc along with our staff is doing everything possible to help us get better.’”

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is the season that will really begin to define Chris Paul. NO more excuses available. No more bad coaching. No more thin supporting cast. Now is when he has to prove that he really is the best PG in the league.

  • shockexchange

    Doc is right. CP3 is the “mythical” best PG in the NBA. However, “that dog ain’t never caught a rabbit.” And let the Shock Exchange tell ya somethin’ else, if the Clippers get bounced early in the playoffs again, D. Rose, Rondo or Westbrook automatically hold the belt. WOOOOOO! WOOOOOO!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what constitutes as “catching a rabbit” ?

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    for CP3, does that mean a deeper playoff run or an championship?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d say it’s WCF or the season is a total disappointment.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    yea, hopefully BG gets better in the post.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    forgot dwill

  • RKJ92

    Doesn’t this also depend on how the team is playing around Chris Paul? idk if this is something we can assume till maybe halfway through the season. Maybe Blake Griffin continues his rebounding woes, and isn’t defending as well as he should, and maybe DeAndre Jordan is still too foul prone, maybe both BG, and DeAndre Jordan STILL cant hit free throws, and its killing the Clippers, I just feel like CP3′s team is such a liability to anything special as good as some of the players are.

  • RKJ92

    I think he means the chip lol

  • shockexchange

    The guy who iced Avery Johnson? J Kidd had better watch is back.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    then how would Rose/Westbrook supplant him…..

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    lol that was the plan at the beginning of the season. But #blamedwill

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    let’s just qualify what i said as,

    .
    “if healthy” — the team is really deep. They added efficient, two way players to the wing. Antawn Jamison gives them the ability to go small with Griffin taking advantage of slow footed Centers. They have the pieces to get to the conference finals, as long as Paul can get the most out of his guys, and Rivers designs a system that lets him do so.

  • RKJ92

    I have no idea.. LOL, nbk this is shockexchange’s mind not mine man, he is in his VERY OWN world. he just makes me laugh from time to time.

  • shockexchange

    Having the star player question the offense didn’t help matters.

  • RKJ92

    Man I really love the addition of Rivers to the Clippers, I still cannot believe they pulled it off that was a steal.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    definetly

  • LakeShow

    It’s much like “fire”…
    “He just doesn’t have the fire”
    Yeah pretty stupid…

  • LakeShow

    I never stop laughing, but it’s a hurtful laugh. Like laughing at a dog taking a sh*t and then another bigger dog coming up and humping him.

    It’s a “gross, look away from the misery before your eyes” type of laugh.

  • Max

    I think he means going to the CF with that, don’t see anything else..

  • Saleem Rainman

    Well he said if CP3 is eliminated EARLY then rose westbrook etc supplant him, i guess cuz Westbrooks been to the finals before.

  • Saleem Rainman

    …damn.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah I actually witnessed that once.

  • Wings23

    Agreed, to me this season will either cement cp3 as the best pg in the league or supplant him from that title.

  • scorer

    why yall exclude Tony Parker

  • i_ball

    Well the West is stacked (so is the East btw) – Spurs, Thunder, Grizz, Rockets, Warriors, Clippers in no order. They will probably have to beat two of the other teams in order to get to the WCF which is no easy task. If you aren’t one of the the top 2 seeds even getting out of the first round would be an accomplishment…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you can’t look at it like that. Chris Paul is the 3rd best player in the league (according to most people), he should be able to lead a comparably talented team into the final 4 of the NBA.

  • i_ball

    In theory the two best teams should make it. To me it’s the Spurs and Thunder. So in order for the Clippers to go that deep they have to overachieve.
    I love Doc but he isn’t better than Pop and the Thunder have the second best player in the League (according to everybody).
    And then we don’t really know how the Rockets will look, after all they are the team from the West that had the biggest roster upgrade.

    I’m not saying that their mindset should be to just go to the 2nd round. They should aim for the Finals but going to the WCF would be an overachievement (if all teams are healthy)

  • Slick Ric

    Thank you Doc.

  • Najee Fareed

    he has not been to the conference finals…. ever!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is how i look at these situations,
    .
    in basketball, the best player has the largest impact on winning. so if the talent is comparable (regular season records be damned), the team with the best player will/should win more often then the more well rounded team.

  • i_ball

    So if the Thunder and Clippers meet in the 2nd Round the Thunder should win (KD > CP).

    I understand your point but the Spurs are just too good at exposing the oppositions weaknesses that I believe in series the Spurs would win in maximum 6 games. Hell they were a three throw/defensive rebound away from beating the team with the best player in the game! And CP is the 3rd best.

    As you said the team with the best player should win most of the time which leaves a Spurs – Clippers series to be the exception of the rule imo.

  • Junior Taylor

    I have always been a huge fan of CP even going as far as labeling him Isiah 2.0 but Doc is 100% right on this one. CP has always gotten a pass from fans (me included) and the media when it comes to his lack of playoff sucess but I think that all changes this year. He has everything a alleged great player needs to make it far in the Playoffs (2nd banana, great bench and a great coach)

  • Cortez Mack

    “Until somebody goes 100% from the field or stops someone every time on defense,’ Paul said, ‘you can always get better”

    Preach.

  • Free Abe

    Rose has gotten to the conference finals
    Parker has gotten to the CF and then some
    Westbrook Rondo Nash D Will back in 07
    Hell even MIKE CONELY
    Just like Elite Centers (Hakeem Ewing Robinson a young Shaq) did in the age of the center back in the 90s, elite PG should lead their team to AT LEAST the conference finals
    Its do or die Paul if u ask me only the Spurs (still dont believe in Howard Memphis lost a great coach n OKC has no bench) should remotely pose a threat in the West thats how big of a diff i think Doc makes

  • pposse

    LOL already got some pre-made excuse ready to go before the season even starts. They teach anticipation in basketball, but this is gold right here. CP fans are the greatest.

  • pposse

    he hasn’t done anything in the nba, but yet “he’s the best pg in the nba” haha

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    Right… CP3 fans see him as a GOD… I want to see him succeed just because he’s great .

  • bball knowledge

    nbk, I think Doc Rivers has been reading my comments on Slam because I have been saying this for the longest time now.

  • danpowers

    isnt necessarily a contradiction, basketball is still a team sport

  • BugEyes

    As long as parker, tony is in the league doc is correct

  • The Seed

    Thank You, Doc, I have been trying to tell people for years CP3 is overrated with his inflated stats. He has been no where in his career and will not with the CLippers either. CP3 hasn’t done anything in the NBA yet, except choke in the playoffs with exceptionally good teams. Clippers should have went further each year. Clippers should have kept Bledsoe personally.

  • therichardkirby

    I do not believe in the Clippers unless Griffin took some astronomical steps this summer. If CP3 is the only person through whom the Clippers can run their offense, they’re out by round 2. Jamall Crawford isn’t going to cut it. Westbrook plays with Kevin Durant. Parker with Duncan and Ginobli. Even Rose has had better offensive talent in Boozer and Deng.

  • Mack

    His chances of winning the title depend on Blake and the supporting cast. Chris Paul already had a ton pressure on his shoulders of carrying a poor offense; I think if he still had David West to pick-and-pop he would be more successfull.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    nbk i said this last night come on give me the props i deserve all 26 ups

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You said a lot of nonsense last night. If this was somehow in what you were saying, it was coming from. A different place. As you argued with me about who was, currently the best PG in the league. But if up votes are important to you….take them. Lol I couldn’t care less

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Lol you gave the same response up there as you last night. Why am I the bad guy in this?

    You know you have over 20,000 comments. How many years in the making?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Idk they archived all my comments for some reason. Probably since 2006 or 07, I don’t remember exactly. And idk why they did that with my comments

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Do you work for slam or has slam recognized you for your achievements?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No, and I have no achievements. I’m just a dude who wastes down time on the internet. If I was important, my opinion would be sought out, not volunteered

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    not true usually those that have something to offer volunteer and then become sought after. HIstorically true.

    BUt you have hit the HOF in comments

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Historically false. You just hear about the few times it turns out true.

  • DoubleClutch95

    Doc isn’t lying…

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Well atleast slam needs to send you some shirt or something for being a loyal fan.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nah SLAM doesn’t need to do anything for me. I’m really not special.

  • Chuko

    Enough of that nonsense. Never mind the haters, you have every commenter on here afraid of you because you can argue them into doubting their own sexuality. Nobody else can claim that. You don’t get paid for what you’re good at because there are like a total of 20 people in the country who talk about basketball professionally and 15 of those people are players and 3 of them are coaches. Plus you’re in America where nobody really succeeds anymore except the people that were born rich. Now go back to being the irascible nbk that we all know and don’t like lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I hope nobody is afraid of me. Lol, it’s just comments.

  • BIG ED

    I’m with Doc CP3 has made West SF twice and lost to Spurs. Want to be a big time player gotta make it to a Conf Finals or NBA Finals.

  • Chuko

    Everyone’s afraid of you. Even though this is anonymous posting, people fear being made to look stupid or to lose an argument in general. You ever notice how dudes like rkjd2 (or whatever his Raptors loving name is) talks tough to everyone but when you disagree with him he instantly submits or at the very least tones things down? I don’t know what you’re supposed to do with that information. It is what it is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ehh I know what you mean, I just think of that as respect. Not really fear. If I’m saying something I usually have back up evidence lol I think knowing that is what causes the “tone down” so to speak

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    NO way no way. How did you write something

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Nbk plea send your fans to my comments to

  • Chuko

    Well I don’t mean fear like they think you’re a scary dude, I just mean that people on the internet talk as though they are the foremost authority on whatever the topic is. But they don’t do that to certain people who they’ve learned will reveal them to be less than that. Respect, fear, whatever. There’s no real point to me telling you this. I just get annoyed with people who disparage someone (although AddingVelocity…etc wasn’t) for being on a comment board regularly. Does anyone think those people don’t find a way to waste time? Jerking off, watching tv, talking on the phone, whatever. They act like they’re busting their a$$ saving starving children. No, they’re busting a nut to Kate Upton doing the Dougie.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lmmfao

  • Chuko

    I’m not a fan because this isn’t a sport or event of any sort.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i dont appreciate the graphic descriptions of such pornographic imagery.

    but you have to admit that my critique and lens i present a radical change to the traditional nbk commentary.

    secondly, im out peace be upon you and your loved ones

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So you just a regular reader of the comments? Or you comment under a different name?

  • Chuko

    Those weren’t graphic descriptions my sheltered, Christian, compadre. And yes you provided a different lens, as every person does.

  • Chuko

    I’m a regular reader. I don’t comment because I’m not opinionated about basketball and not really a close follower any more. I’ve been coming to this site since Lang Whitaker and the Links and was a big Slam reader from elementary-high school. I come here now because of habit mostly. And I read the comment board because it’s always interesting to hear people debate or whatever about sports. What ever happened to that eboy dude? Just disappeared because he was the only Heat fan?!

  • Chuko

    What?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nah he’s on twitter. I was arguing with him on there today actually, he likes that forum a lot more. He gets to choose whose opinion he sees. I think not having to deal with less informed over opinionated people really appeals to him lol

  • Chuko

    Lol I can see that. Lang doesn’t work for Slam anymore right? Or does he just not do the internet stuff any more?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nah he left to go over to NBA.com

  • Chuko

    That’s a shame. Good for him though if it was a better thing. I don’t read the magazine any more but Slam was always a different sort of outlet for sports. They manage to blend the culture around basketball with the actual sport. I hope they’ve kept it up.

  • Chuko

    What about you? How’d you end up affiliated with Slam (because for those who followed the site for the last few years your name will always be associated)? I’m trying to wasted time I should be spending studying lol.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Please don’t assume my religious views based on my moral views.

    Why would feminist like your view. We need to empathize with females who are objectified rather than objectify them

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Read the magazine growin up, after HS needed an outlet to argue lol, found myself on the site

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what’s your favorite cover

    classic dmile elton brand lamar odom
    or lebron in a jordan jersey

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what do you study

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    do you study english

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    is cp3 a hof as of right now

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    saleem do you anyone with the last name patel

  • Dagger

    What a thoroughly bizarre thread. I can’t believe I read this far. Only on Slam.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    <3

  • Caboose

    Just to be clear, you would still have by far the most comments, even if they didn’t archive yours ;)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oh yeah it’s like 7k I think lol

  • Caboose

    As long as I have more than Shock, I’m good.

  • Caboose

    I wouldn’t call it fear, but usually you jump in with a contradiction right away. I’ve been trying to be better about reserving a full on correction/argument until it escalates. Leads to a lot less frustration that way. But I think that’s what you thrive on…and you enjoy people who challenge your points strongly…so yeah. You can scare people with how fast you correct.

    TLDR: I try to wait till the 3rd date, you’re a wine-dine-69 type of arguer.

  • Caboose

    Please comment more.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yea these issues stemming from my extremely over competitive nature follow everywhere I go

  • Caboose

    Is it overcompetitive, or a desire to be seen as right? Or little column A, little column B?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s over competitive. I don’t mind being wrong, as long as I have been proven so.

  • Caboose

    Like the French guy from Talladega Nights, you always want to win, but you appreciate and accept the challenge.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Haha but no homo

  • Caboose

    Haha oh right. No homo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oh well, no Frencho too. But that’s about it

  • Ernie D

    So much for that Ubuntu thing.

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  • John D.

    there was a time that ALlenP was once a commenter starting round here shortly before NBk did. ANd he became one of the contributors here @ slam. more or less was always objective and wasnt a prick. i remember nbk being just one of the guys but slowly gaining momentum with his coments which were sensible . But didnt quite sink in to most people as he imght would have it becuz he forcefed it. as oppose to what allen p did. Story of his slam life.

  • Senior

    i once read a back and forth with you and allen p in the earlier days. round 2007-10 ish. where u resorted to name calling him nearing the end of ur arguement.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i still fall back to that on occasion. i realize i have major flaws. both as a person and as a “commenter”

  • Doc Rivers

    Wtf Chris is my men

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