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Friday, October 25th, 2013 at 11:45 am  |  314 responses

Lakers Will Allow Kobe Bryant to Become a Free Agent


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

He remains the same arrogant, defiant superstar he’s always been, but Kobe Bryant’s Achilles injury has forced him to admit some doubt and vulnerability as he enters the twilight of his career.

The Los Angeles Lakers have no idea what to expect from Bryant this season, and talks of a contract extension don’t appear to be on the horizon. According to executive vice president of player personnel Jim Buss, the team will allow Kobe to become an unrestricted free agent next summer.

Per the OC Register:

“No, I don’t know what I’m going to be like when I come back. I’ve worked very hard and I have been blessed to be around great mentors, have been taught great fundamentals and have learned multiple positions. I’m hoping I will be able to adjust if I’ve lost any quickness or explosiveness.” I interrupt. “You told me a year ago you would never allow me to see you slip as Michael Jordan did in his final NBA run.” “It’s not going to happen,” Kobe says. “I’ve talked to a lot of actors who won’t take a role if they don’t think they can execute it.”

He becomes a free agent at the end of the season, and Jim Buss says because of the pay structure of the NBA, the Lakers will allow Kobe to become a free agent. He says he has talked to Kobe and believes they have an understanding, Bryant waiting as a free agent while the team spends to upgrade and then using what is left over to pay Kobe. “We’ve probably talked,” says Kobe while being somewhat vague, “but I’m putting off any thought of that.”

They’ll never admit it, of course, but it’s obvious that the Lakers won’t be competing for an NBA title this year. Flush with cap space, the front-office envisions a major rebuild in the summer of 2014.

Kobe Bryant’s future continues to grow murkier.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “we’ve probably talked”
    .
    but who really knows anymore? ya know?

  • pposse

    come to the bulls you can be a supporting actor over there Kobe. slide you in at the 2 move Butler to the 3 and championships will ensue.

  • shockexchange

    (i) The Streets labeling him “Horry Jr”, (ii) D12 suggesting LA amnesty him, (iii) the Shock Exchange leaving him out of the top 50. The signs have been there for a while, but the “Horry Jr Jones” are in denial. Nobody wants a glorified role player who won’t accept his role.

  • Dev

    I thought about that cus it would be a great fit, but Kobe on the Bulls wearing that 24 would be too much to handle as a life long Bulls fan. Even if it is a great fit

  • Sérgio

    Have you changed your name to “The Streets”?

  • Sérgio

    He won’t go anywhere. If so, there will be a riot in LA.

  • shockexchange

    Bandz make Horry Jr dance … bandz make Horry Jr dance, with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L”, he can win with no hands.

  • shockexchange

    He’s the greatest winner of his era – just like Robert Horry. Now when are you gonna get that through your thick head Sergio?

  • berkamore

    The Lakers have always been very cold blooded when they assess players and it’s a ” what can you do for me NOW’ mentality.

    Been saying that Bryant probably won’t be the same player when he returns (that sucks for him) but he refuses to take a pay cut. I guess the Lakers are telling him: “Go out there and see where the market is for your services……………”.

    I won’t call it funny but it has to be rude awakening for Bryant. He ain’t in the driver’s seat anymore…………

  • spit hot fiyah

    they will allow him? do they have a choice?

  • bike

    Imagine what these ‘talks’ between Kobe and Buss must be like. ‘Afterwards, when asked how discussions were going with Kobe concerning his impending free agency, Buss replied “Umm…tense is the word that comes to mind but actually there isn’t a word to describe what it was actually like”’.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Brooklyn would love him, and THEY would pay!

  • NickDePaula

    Brooklyn could only offer the league minimum or some form of the midlevel exception (like they did with AK47 this summer) since they’re so clearly over the cap. Kobe signing for that range with the Nets would also end up costing them about $10 Mil extra in supertax hits.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    They’ll find a way to get rid of someone. They like olds stars.

  • Anthony

    He’ll never see free agency….he’d retire 1st, and get his statue in front of the Staples center soon there after.

  • hashzz

    well we shall see. Facts still remains we don’t know what kobe will look like. As a Lakers fan i always feel that kobe deserves to retire a Laker, but can’t blame him if he went elsewhere…he owns nothing to the Lakers.

  • LakeShow

    The Lakers will make it happen.
    Kobe will be a Laker for his career.

  • Harvey

    He will retire a Laker.

  • Sérgio

    Oh, boy…

  • i_ball

    Now I get it!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    If he leaves we will endure a similar curse that the Red Sox endured with Babe Ruth.

  • RunNGun

    To the Knicks! Make it happen, Walsh!

  • Sérgio

    Off-topic: Lake, have you watched any of the Laker’s preseason games? I mean, not only highlights, but the actual games. If so, what is your impression of the team (I know it’s only preseason, and the dynamic is much different from the actual season, but it offers some signs. Remember, LA lost ALL its games last year)?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lol, Horry, Jr is a bit of a stretch but he has been given credit for things that he doesn’t deserve like the “clutch” label. That 6-25 Game 7 against Boston did it for me.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    If LeBron gets 3 and Wade gets 4, Kobe will then begin the common practice of those who came before him by engaging in “ring chasing”. His will be different seeing that he already has a multitude of rings but I see him trying to “mentor” a Bulls team “looking for veteran leadership” or maybe even in Dallas trying to win one with Dirk if Cuban throws a big number at him.

  • shockexchange

    “Mentoring”? There would definitely be drama in Chicago. Below is a picture of Horry Jr beefin’ with D. Rose.

  • LakeShow

    I’ve only watched two of the games fully. The rest just highlights.

    The youth is inspiring. The young guys (Farmar, Johnson, Young) are really exciting. Each one is a decent defender when they put their mind to it, and can shoot and run. That’s something the Lakers haven’t had in years. Many years. So that’s nice.

    Honestly though that’s the only thing that I have really taken away. With no Bryant, limited Nash, and the pre-season adjustments, it’s really hard to know anything substantial about the team going into the season.

    First 2+ months will be rocky.

  • LakeShow

    No way. Nope.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    “Mentoring” is how he would describe the role. D. Rose might not object after another playoff exit courtesy of the Heat.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Thanks for the fan angle.

  • shockexchange

    Bringing the “pass to Horry Jr offense” to Chicago won’t help. A glorified role player who won’t accept his role would be a step backwards, at least in the Shock Exchange’s opinion.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Farmar is 27, Johnson is 26 ,and Young is 28. Using the term “youth” is a big overstretch. In real life, you’re correct but that’s not young in the NBA. These players can’t “shoot and run” when facing regular season competition. None of these players would earn even significant minutes on a playoff caliber team. It’s good to be a fan though.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I agree but I can see Bulls management making a panic move and “going all-in” if Miami eliminates them this year. Plus, Kobe will be in full-fleged ring chasing mode by this time next year.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    On a side note, you honestly feel that Kobe was a glorified role player?

  • shockexchange

    That’s what the Streets is saying. SE is just the messenger. *EDIT* A less politically correct way of saying he gets way too much credit for things he doesn’t do.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I can definitely see this happening.

  • shockexchange

    Fair point. It could happen. SE thinks the Bulls are right there, and only need to make minor adjustments, but that’s why they play the games.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Most of the fanboys on this site idolize the cat. They ignore reason when it comes to him.

  • Sérgio

    Yeah, LA has been horrible at fast breaks in the least few seasons, and this could help change it.

    But I really hope they can hang it out in the first 2 months or so, and not dig a hole that becomes impossible to get out of later.

  • shockexchange

    Exactly. The Shock Exchange has been coming on this site since LeBron was in HS. A year ago, SE got into a debate about kids benefiting from playing in college and someone asked, “What about Kobe.” SE briefly mentioned he’s a good player who has benefited from playing with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L” and all h3ll broke loose on here.

    Cats are on here comparing this guy to Michael Jordan. He’s closer to Robert Horry than MJ … at least that’s what the Streets is saying.

  • shockexchange

    Ouch!

  • LP @ThisisEther

    “You told me a year ago you would never allow me to see you slip as Michael Jordan did in his final NBA run.” “It’s not going to happen,” Kobe says.

    Someone explain this….Is he implying Jordan was trash with the Wizards???

  • LakeShow

    Those are all right smack in the middle or starting their prime players.

    Welcome to 2013 bud, where FG% isn’t the end all be all stat of efficiency and the age of 27 is young… WELCOME!

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    None of those players are entering their “prime”. All 3 will probably be out of the league in the next 3 years. I’m glad in 2013, the age of 27 is young in the NBA although the average career lasts 4 years and the average age of a rookie is 21. Maybe your 2013 looks a lil different from reality but again, it’s good a be a fan though. Thanks for the WELCOME!

  • shockexchange

    Sean Superstar Juan – The Shock Exchange is ‘gon throw in the towel. Fanboy has had enough. Anymore of this would be considered “pugilism.”

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lol, he’s a Kobe fanboy who (along with NBK) is trying to justify bad FG%’s like Kobe’s by using new “stat science” to prove that FG% is overrated. They can’t though and because I won’t just agree with them, their giving each other high fives as I trash them with cold, hard numbers. So, he deserves this.

  • LakeShow

    So seeing as how they have all exceeded 4 years in the L already… That stat doesn’t apply to them. Does it?

    If you think Farmar and Young are going to be out of the L in the next three years, you are bitterly mistaken.

    Like plain out retarded, kind of mistaken.

    Troll else where, you will be called out and proven wrong with each of your stupid assessments, but you will probably enjoy that since you are a troll.

    Welcome…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i actually used Kobe’s FG% last season vs James Harden’s……you know, Kobe’s field goal % being higher, but him being a less efficient scorer.
    .
    Math is Hard.

  • Don Mega

    They will be in Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes. They need a new face of the franchise.

  • thebossman15

    what are you making your assumptions from..dude hasnt even played since his injury and single handedly carried his squad last year in one of his best seasons, as far as im concerned he is certainly in the driver’s seat..if you look at the mvp award and what it entails he should of won that last year as well, but of course the lebron nutriders will get on me for speaking the truth. There’s nothing to be said about kobe until he suits up again and if you look at his history in dealing with injuries, there really is no reason to write him off. I pray the man gets healthy cuz clearly the nba is trying to push this lebron agenda but god knows the league wont be the same without kobe

  • LakeShow

    Ray Allen, the best shooter of all time shot worse than Kobe in that game.

    Paul Pierce barely shot better.

    Kevin Garnett only had 3 rebounds in 38 mins played.

    Kobe had 15 rebounds.

    ………………………………………………………………………………….

    Did it “do it for you” when Jordan shot 6-19 and only had 3 rebounds in the 96 finals?

    Or are you just selective in your estranged hate?

  • robb

    don’t feed the troll Lake

  • Jake

    You’re spot on. No one has any idea what Kobe is going to play like, but given his past history and his work ethic, the chances are leaning towards him making a recovery. That being said, he could bomb. I’m as big a Kobe fan as anyone but it’s going to be best if everyone just shuts up and waits for him to return before passing judgement.

  • LakeShow

    This guy is so hungry though… So gaddam hungry….

  • LakeShow

    Not trash, he had lost a step, we all know that. Two steps, maybe three actually.

  • pposse

    its the ideal spot for Kobe. Kobe wants #6 more than anything in the world for sure. In all likelihood unforunately Deng will be traded which opens up a spot in the starting lineup for a good player and Rose is the one of the very very few superstars who wouldn’t necessarily backtalk to kobe yet earn and be treated with the utmost respect from kobe.

  • thebossman15

    dude, you need too lay off the hard drugs.. like im sure theres a forum for stupid people like you..i mean i know this forum has a lot of stupid people but you might need to move on and find a new home, your trolling days are numbered

  • pposse

    you realize you just said jordan farmar will be in the league when he is 30 right?

  • Sérgio

    Are you shockexchange’s lil b!tch?

  • shockexchange

    You can get mad at the Shock Exchange all you want to, but that won’t change the fact that Jim Buss just gave Horry Jr his walking papers. Now let that sink in. Let it marinate.

  • thebossman15

    yea man, its as crazy an injury as he could of possibly had but if anyone can pull through its kobe..but yeah i just wanna see what happens, just felt the need too speak up cuz its like EVERYTHING that kobe has done..(and i caps lock-ed everything because its much more than anyone else playing in the league currently has done) – has somehow been forgotten when you check the comment section on this site and its annoying as hell

  • thebossman15

    as long as kobe is on the lakers there will never be a new face of the franchise

  • LakeShow

    Uhhh… yeah dude. Please tell me your not stupid like these guys…

    Why wouldn’t he be? He’s an excellent 3 point shooter and pace changer from the bench.

    He shot 44% on 3 pointer in his last year in the L. And dished out 5 dimes a game the year before that. That’s an NBA bench player.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, Kobe was less efficient than Harden.
    Agreed.
    It’s a fact. I don’t care that it puts “my boy” in a bad light, I want truth above all else.

  • TheBigL

    I don’t like this story. Kobe is on the verge of making an unprecefentef comeback, and this puta emphasis on the negative – and obvious – aspect of his injury and age. The fact that he even returns, if only for a game, is really remarkable and successful. Not murky.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    too bad Sean Superstar Juan is a big fan of stupid above all else.

  • LakeShow

    **Supppah Star!!**

  • Don Mega

    He only has a couple years left. I don’t think he will be the same player either but probably still avg at least twenty a game.

  • pposse

    your putting a lot of stock in a guy thats been out of the league for 2 yrs playing in where? the middle east? there aint no competition out there! While he was stagnant and most likely regressing as a player there are about 500 players in d leagues looking to take his spot, and another 4,200 d1 ballers looking for that spot is all im saying.

  • LakeShow

    Another bet for us…

  • pposse

    yes yes yes!

  • thebossman15

    im not mad at you man, just concerned thats all, the same way im concerned for lamar odom and the same way i feel for other drug addicts.. i look at your comments and think “I wonder how he got to that point, how was he living before the drugs took over his life”..kinda like when you see a bum on the streets, you know?thats all though, your comments dont change the fact that hes an arguable goat right up there with mj so i could care less

  • Basketball_iQ

    Dreams

  • shockexchange

    It wasn’t the Shock Exchange who gave Horry Jr is walking papers – it was Jim Buss. If you truly think he’s “arguable goat right up there with mj” then tell Jim Buss, maybe Buss will re-sign him.

    *EDIT* Jim Buss would rather tank and go after Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker than re-sign Horry Jr. That’s a complete slap in the face, and you’re mad with SE?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Kobe was more efficient than Harden. Harden forces a ton of bad 3′s and is really only a legit 6’4 1/2. Kobe, although 34 is still a legit 6’6 1/2 and always looks taller than his counterpart therefore his forces are better. Harden got a beneficial whistle last year and shot more free throws than anyone. Harden (flopper) is a master of drawing fouls but he is simply not as efficient as Kobe in terms of shots from the field. He is dependent on the whistle, not necessarily making the shot. Hence, he shot 43% from the field, that’s Iverson like territory.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Should I respond back with “I know you are but what am I?” or just say “NBK, you are right about basketball and everyone who disagrees did not complete high school math.”? Which one genius?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, your argument is height and how reliant harden is on the whistle?
    .
    regardless of those things, Harden was still more efficient. which is what the conversation is/was about…..efficiency.
    .
    but cool, Kobe was better at making 2′s! that tells us a ton.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    respond with whichever one appeals to your beautiful mind.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    “So seeing as how they have all exceeded 4 years in the L already… That stat doesn’t apply to them. Does it?”

    Um, yeah Einstein. It applies EXACTLY to them. They have already EXCEEDED the average time in the L so obviously (to anyone with a slightly unbiased Laker fan angle) they’re on borrowed time. They don’t have 3 years left in the L and you know that. This is patched up Laker team filled with nobdies, Kobe and Gasol. Stop it, you know damn well you don’t see a 31 year old Nick Young, a 30 year old Jordan Farmar, or even a 29 year old Wes Johnson in anyone’s rotation.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    No, my “argument” is Harden shooting 43% from the field last season. That’s not an efficient basketball player, I don’t care what other stat you throw at me. Again, Iverson had these same type of years and we saw them eventually for what they were and that was just scoring a bunch of points on a ton of shots from everywhere at anytime. Big numbers in volume.

  • thebossman15

    lol one game, what a moron you are, this isnt football where you have one game to win it all, and im gonna guess u forgave mj and lebron for similar/worse performances?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    NBK, you are right about basketball and everyone who disagrees did not complete high school math.

  • thebossman15

    they told him he could test free agency man..that absolutely means nothing, i really think you are to far gone, and like i said, im concerned for you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    except Iverson didn’t take six 3′s a game at 37% or 10 free throws at 85%
    .
    Which is why,
    .
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=iversal01&y1=2007&p2=hardeja01&y2=2013
    .
    and if you will notice … Harden shot .477% from 2, not 43%, like FG% would have you believe.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    All insults become null and void when the person giving the insult goes by the name “Sergio”. You automatically lose.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    When has LBJ or MJ went close to 6-25?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh you can disagree. just do it intelligently.

  • shockexchange

    Jim Buss Parlance: “We think you are a glorified role player and we plan to pay you as such. From now on your role will be (i) pass the ball to the open man and (ii) get back on defense. If you are not willing to accept your reduced role and pay, you are welcome to take your services elsewhere.”

    Street Parlance: “Speed on before you get peed on.”

  • berkamore

    Don’t wanna have to state the obvious but here it is: What do you do in a situation where you have incomplete information? You CLOSELY eyeball the person who has more information than you do.

    In this case, the Lakers, who have more information than anybody about Kobe’s recovery, the Lakers who did EVERYTHING (including trading Shaq) to keep the golden boy happy, are telling him: “We are going to go ahead and let you be a free agent”

    Well, I know what that tells ME but hey, that’s just me. What the hell do I know? LOL.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    6-19 is a big difference from 6-25. Plus, we have seen MJ with countless “clutch” games in the Finals. Kobe? Not so much. Ray Allen, PP and KG are not on Kobe’s level. I’m not Shock Exchange saying Kobe is not one of the greatest. I’m strictly comparing him to Mike and LeBron. LeBron actually outperforms Kobe in “BIg” playoff games.

  • LakeShow

    Oh in rotation? I like that change of script there, nice.

    First it was you only last in the L for 4 years on average, now it’s you don’t stay in a rotation.

    They will all be in the League and most likely in rotation. They are all very solid bench players.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lol, let’s “play” serious. Give me Iverson at 23 and Harden at 23. Why even attempt to give me the 31 year old Iverson? Why?.

  • Sérgio

    Well, that is my name, and it’s actually a pretty common one, so just go away.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I just don’t know how anyone in the frontcourt would get any touches with the guards taking so many shots between them.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    This is sarcasm NBK, keep treadmilling.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because Iverson at 23 shot 41%. Iverson at 31 shot 44%.
    .
    you know, the whole, FG% is the most important stat in efficiency argument.
    .
    want me to put when he was 23? make Harden look that much better?

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=iversal01&y1=1999&p2=hardeja01&y2=2013

    There you go, Iverson took 5 more shots to get less than 1 more point.
    .
    Now what?

  • LakeShow

    Is it?

    When the player that shot worse contributed by getting Rodman like Board numbers from the shooting guard position? He grabbed 12 more boards than MJ….

    They are quite comparable. If your not a biased hater.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    No, “Sergio”, you go away. Far away please, then come back with a new name.

  • LakeShow

    Racist.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i have never encountered sarcasm….please explain?

  • LakeShow

    Sean “suppah starrrr” Juan thinks you need a new “real name” lol……

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    He’s way closer to MJ than Horry.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    NBK takes basketball so seriously that I don’t even think he has fun with it (which is supposed to be the point). He said the other day that he doesn’t favor any particular player or team. He went on to explain that he used to, but then he “grew out of it and now looks at basketball in a more calculated way.” Lol.

    He’s the guy watching the game in the bar frowning at the tv and mumbling to himself about PER and all that sh*t and asking the people who are actually having fun to keep it down.

    So, in other words, whether he’s right or not, who’d wanna be like that?

  • thebossman15

    first off it was 6-24..second off are u seriously asking me that question lmao..did you just not watch lebron against the mavericks? dude had a 3-11 game not even reaching double digits and playing as a 3rd option for the majority of the series..jordan had a 6-20 game in the finals, but even still you take it with a grain of salt as in what did they do the rest of the series let alone playoffs..kobe averaged 29/8/4 that series lmao..mj played terrific in his finals as well despite that game..lebron on the other hand……………………………………… anyways you just got destroyed

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lol, I told him that yesterday. This “stat science” nonsense is garbage and he is swearing by it. he has a tag team partner and they take turns “educating” others but are for the most part usually wrong.

  • pposse

    im just thinking that between D Rose and Thibs they both would be able to make sure Kobe knows his role.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    We’re talking Game 7′s “destroyer”. Keep up.

  • pposse

    i dont think it means nothng. I think it means the Lakers don’t want to resign him until they know what the market value for kobe is. Not saying its disrespectful but the Lakers are keeping their options open and trying to build beyond the immediate future.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    What?Lol, no way possible.It would have to be “his team” for that short period. Kobe wouldn’t go for that beforehand.

  • pposse

    if thats the case the bulls won’t go after him and nor will i want him on the squad. Hey some old dogs can learn new tricks. He played second next to Shaq at the beginning of his career what better way to go out then playing next to someone else in your retirement years. What better full circle and irony would that be!

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    You proved my point, they are the same type of player. The “best” that Harden will ever shoot in a season (assuming were talking about scoring leaders) is probably 44%.He won’t all of a sudden shoot 47% from the field in a couple of years. This is it with his game.

  • Black&Red

    He reminds me of the guy that never had the talent to make it, and is bitter about it so he manifests it in the form of online debates. I think he actually thinks these debates make him special. Caboose is way lamer tho. He’s the kid who is the unathletic, friendless virgin who lives life online. He is nbk’s little follower. Lakeshow’s a weirdo too tho.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    If Juwan Howard and Jerry Stackhouse were “in the L” last year to you, then yes, you’re right. Happy?

  • thebossman15

    5-19 and 6-24..those are the exact same numbers albeit 1 or 2 percent.. kobe has dominated in the finals much more than lebron has and similar too the way mj has.. i do believe kobe is one of the greatest and no lebron does not outperform kobe in big playoff games wtf are you talking about

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    What surprises me is the arrogance in their posts like they have some sort of “inside source” that we don’t have access to.

  • LakeShow

    Yup.
    Don’t try to downgrade players to “out of the league” just for being bench players.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well, he shoots 6 three’s a game….expecting a FG% like a player who doesn’t do that is unrealistic.
    .
    player a) 2.3 for 6.2 from 3 = 6.9 points = 1.11 points per shot attempt
    player b) 3.4 for 6.2 from 2 = 6.8 points = 1.09 points per shot attempt

    player a) 37% shooting
    plater b) 54% shooting
    .
    yet, Player A was still more efficient.
    .
    See how simple that is?

  • LakeShow

    That “inside source” being math, facts, reason, and rational.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    or it’s just that we are right. it’s been spelled out for you. and you refuse to understand it.
    .
    and when i said all 30 teams use these stats, i was not joking. and if you want to say i have “sources” for that you can….i mean, i do know for a fact this is true. sh*t, i’m sure it’s public information, i’ll even look for it for you.

    http://www.nbastuffer.com/component/option,com_glossary/Itemid,90/catid,44/func,view/term,NBA%20Teams%20That%20Have%20Analytics%20Department/

  • thebossman15

    lol, its always interesting to read other perspectives on things, especially that of a crackhead which I can now say i have, “pass the ball to the open man” LMAO oh man i think what he is doing is working just fine man, leading the league in assists per game while still at the top of the league scoring the ball as well..kobe will not have to take a reduced role and pay man lets be real here

  • Black&Red

    I actually just sit back and read because I think its funny. It isn’t so much that they are mostly wrong. A lot of times they are right, but the arrogance and fervor that they argue with is hilarious. I guess they didn’t get the memo that you don’t win anything in real life at the end of a Slam debate. Caboose’s young dumb azz especially. He’s still a cornball outside of slam.

  • shockexchange

    “i think what he is doing is working just fine man” – And you call SE delusional? The only perspective that matters is that of Jim Buss, who effectively told him “You can go see other people.”

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Not quite. The 3 point shooter gives the opposing team 4 chances for rebounds and scores, while the 2 point shooter gives the same amount of points(if one tenth isn’t the same then I quit) and less chances for the opposing team. Hence, FG%.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The 3 point shooter gives the opposing team 4 chances for rebounds and scores

    - those are also chances for his own team to rebound and score……

    - you don’t understand that the sample size is just to show you how little the drastic difference in FG% really tells you? man, all i’m doing is showing you that FG% by itself is less than informative.
    .
    that 37% shooting would be player A’s FG%….if we just relied on that, how would we know that he actually scores more points per shot attempt?
    .
    seriously, i’m not even mad you don’t get it, i see that you are genuinely trying to make sense of your opinion, just explain, how can you rely on FG% to tell you who is more efficient, when blatantly, right in front of you, i’m showing that can’t be true.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    However, still incorrect in regards to it’s heirarchy to FG%. It is what it is.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Maybe, I gotta see how he looks first. If he thinks that he can still score 27 a night, he ain’t taking a backseat.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lol, how? When was race even inferred? Loser.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Way to tell me on that one. Lol, don’t be so mean!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    here, just read this. seriously, Goldsberry explains it much better than any of us can. Actually read it. If you still disagree after that, then whatever. But this should make it pretty clear.
    .
    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9795591/kirk-goldsberry-introduces-new-way-understand-nba-best-scorers

    “No player converted a higher percentage of his shots near the basket than LeBron James last year.

    Think about that. Not only did he outscore every player in the entire league within the NBA’s most sacred real estate, he converted his shots at the highest rate, too. As a whole, the NBA made 56 percent of its shots in that area last season; James made a staggering 72 percent of his 637 attempts there. Despite this unreal scoring prowess, James trails inferior interior scorers in field goal percentage.”

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    When has Mike ever shot that bad in ANY Game 7?

  • thebossman15

    so its his fault that he got injured before the playoffs,the adjusting period during the middle of the season in learning d’antoni’s system and trying to please howards crybaby ass, that gasol and nash were hurt the majority of the season which cost them plenty of games and in turn was why they made the playoffs as a bottom seed?
    Stop being stupid man, lay off the drugs, consult a rehab centre

  • AndyK415

    Wes Johnson was so god awful in Minnesota. Have fun.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Yeah, this is informative. Seriously, if by now you can’t comprehend that I’m talking about comparing players with similar playing styles to determine efficiency, then you never will. SO, no the article is not at all relevant and please just stop.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I get it though, I’m just telling you that it’s erroneous.

  • shockexchange

    For the last time, you need to take this up with Jim Buss, not the Shock Exchange.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    He was worse in Phoenix.

  • ballislife

    If you and the other people on here are so smart with stats why are you behind a computer preaching nonsense ? A gifted stat guy would be working in the NBA. People like you pretend to know how to interpreted all these bizzare formulas to calcite a players efficiently. When if fact all you do is read some persons opinion on how to read the stats and then get mad at commenters who do not agree with your perceived mathematical knowledge of the game based on stats. Stats are not everything. Stats don’t tell the story of how Lebron needed a desperation three to win another ring. Not to say that stats are useless because they are a good metric of understanding a players impact. But for you to stand here and pretend to be an expert on these stats is ridiculous and makes you look a brat for for attacking everyone who does not agree who your numbers. It’s like saying that I understand how the economy works and how how Wall Street operates. I have an idea but my expertise is not to he point where I can attack other opinions like you guys do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL. ok boss.
    .
    “efficiency can’t be compared, unless they play the same way”
    .
    must make gameplanning and scouting near impossible. good thing nobody else looks at efficiency that way.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    I’m being generous. All 3 will probably be out of the NBA.

  • AndyK415

    Such a waste of a draft pick…although nearly all of Minnesota’s have been in the last 25 years. He was very disappointing though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i make more money doing what i’m doing then i would pursuing that career. my future is more stable here.
    .
    and i’m not arguing stats are everything…lol, just that FG% isn’t the best measure of scoring efficiency. but keep running with the rest of how you feel.
    .
    what i think is funny is all you guys who criticize me for the way i comment on a website…..without realizing that you are reading the comments enough to form an opinion about me as a person.
    .
    whose life does that really say more about? the guy who is spending freetime on something he is interested in, or the guys who judge said person because they don’t like him….even though they obviously keep reading his opinion.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Yeah because most coaches would attempt to matchup Chris Paul to David West or Derrick Rose’s scoring numbers with Rajon Rondo’s.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, i’d rather be like that guy, then the guy who tries to judge other people based on comments on the internet.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Don’t worry NBK, we’ll just say you’re right. There, you won. Lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ahhh, did i do that? or did i compare Deron Williams to Ty Lawson? Steph Curry to Tony Parker? Kobe Bryant to James Harden? since you complained about Dirk and Jefferson because they have different “styles” – i took players who have largely the same role within their team.
    .
    it’s fine if you want to take someone else’s comments and then attribute them to me. but it doesn’t really help your case.

  • AndyK415

    Johnson is not solid. He’s terrible.

  • ballislife

    Yup I knew like you would regress Look if your not a trained statician or work for an NBA team with real insight to how these stats work then stop pretending to know what your talking about that is all. Your right you do comment as an opinion but just because people are not engulfed in stat theory like you does not mean your argument s are any more valid because you throw around numbers that fit into your biased opinions. Agree to disagree it is refreshing. I’m just calling you out because you and others throw around these stats like it’s the bible or some sort of enlightened truth. There numbers are made up by guys who never played basketball in their lives. So yeah it’s logical that they know what there talking about right ?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Since you both agreed, I took one from each of you. You compared Al Jefferson to Dirk and he did the Rose/Rondo thing. It’s yours, own it.

  • LakeShow

    He is still mixed up.
    I put Jeff Green and David West side by side. Not David West and Chris Paul or whatever the hell he is making up.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    rather than criticize me for my opinion, which is backed up by reasoning and stats, why don’t you actually tell me how i’m wrong?
    .
    i’ll agree to disagree, the moment someone makes a rational argument. until then, i’ma keep wasting my time pointing out when someone says something ridiculous.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    It’s just a comment on how you approach basketball, it’s not a statement of who you are as a person in general.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you didn’t say the Dirk and Jefferson, you said Chris Paul to David West, or Derrick Rose to Rajon Rondo.
    .
    how am i supposed to take you seriously when you don’t even know what you typed?

  • pposse

    i’ve made more than rational arguments and never heard ‘ill agree to disagree’

  • LakeShow

    So what about Harden and Kobe?

    Why is Kobe more efficient than Harden last year?

    We want you to help us. We are now realizing that it is you that is the teacher, and we are young padiwan learners.

    Teach us please!

    How come a player that shoots 43% and scores 25 points on 18 buckets is less efficient than someone who scores 25 on 50% on 18 shots.

    Please enlighten me. I need your help bud.

  • LakeShow

    Good effort, but you can’t teach the stupid.

  • Conor

    HaHaHaHa

    @shockexchange:disqus/Ralph is a waste of time, @thebossman15:disqus. He trolls Kobe and the Lakers to garner the attention he lacks from his wife.

  • LakeShow

    Game 7′s only qualifier! You should have known!!!

    THIS GUY, making up rules as he goes, hilarious…

  • tee

    So no one is going to acknowledge that your boy Caboose is on the thread of the Slam173 video acting like thebinternet weirdo we all know is he? No? Okay. Since you guys are internet butt buddies, I figured you’d notice him chatting to himself.

  • shockexchange

    SE doesn’t disagree. However, all that backtalk and “two for one” should be reserved for Jim Buss. The Shock Exchange never told Jim Buss not to re-sign this guy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhm, like i told you multiple times, i actually respect and accept your opinion of say Rose over Paul for example, my issue is when you use an awful example to back up what you are saying.
    .
    like the 2013 Dwyane Wade is “infinitely” better than 2001 Kobe point you made yesterday.

  • LakeShow

    What is wrong with the Italian/Spanish name Sergio?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what? i don’t care what anyone else is doing. do you go up to people with cordial relationships in real life and accuse them of being “butt buddies” ? do you people really think about the conclusions you concoct in your head?

  • pposse

    the problem with basketball metrics is that there is zero pyschological component to them. In real life, economic metrics there are, and hell I think even in baseball they have them.

  • LakeShow

    Is scoring all that matters?

    Keep ignoring those extra 12 boards Kobe grabbed, it’s the only way to keep thinking you’re right.

  • LakeShow

    Shock does think stupid people can learn.

    Best to keep faith in ones-self I suppose.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    So now all of a sudden with Kobe Bean Bryant, in Game 7, you ask “Is scoring all that matters?”. I’m done man.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    No, you’re the only one who thinks nbk. lol (which is sort of the point being made on here by multiple people).

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    No, you answer how it was racist first.

  • LakeShow

    Not arguable that he’s GOAT, but nailed the rest lol. We are surrounded by meth heads…

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    We already did the Dirk/Al dance man. Keep up.

  • LakeShow

    I’m not the one that said there was something wrong with it in the first place. That was you.

    It’s racist to call someones name from a country other than your own, “stupid” just because you’re not use to seeing it.

    If it’s not racist, it’s incredibly petty, stupid sounding, and just has no place on a basketball thread.

  • LakeShow

    Of course your done, because your wrong, just like on EVERYTHING you have ever said here.

    Let me guess your excuse: “I wasn’t talking about rebounding in game 7′s of the NBA finals, only FG%!!”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Since you both agreed, I took one from each of you. You compared Al Jefferson to Dirk and he did the Rose/Rondo thing.”
    .
    so this comment, is referencing a comment on an entirely different page, that i already responded to?
    .
    oh well i apologize. i should have just known what you meant, via osmosis.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Don’t throw out terms like racist and be incredibly wrong. Race hasn’t been mentioned by anyone in this thing but you. You made fun of my name earlier, did I mention race? Again, I’m done idiot.

  • LakeShow

    Why don’t you like Spanish/Mexican people?

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    When has Mike ever shot that bad in ANY Game 7?

  • LakeShow

    Yeah man… who am I kidding, Mike would shoot 31% instead of 25% and would grab 12 less rebounds than Kobe…

    I am so dumb… You just keep schooling us lil bud.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i didn’t say that it was. it’s still a judgement of a person based on comments on the internet. LOL, whether if it’s about “how you assume i approach basketball” or not. it is what it is. i’m not offended at all. just think it says more about you than anything else.

  • tee

    I mean, you and he come to each other’s defense quite often. You talk about stuff pertaining to your personal lives. He involuntarily shares info about sh!t no ones asks about in his personal life. Seems pretty butt buddy-ish to me, chatroom style lmao

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    multiple people here are trying to point out that i’m the only person who thinks…………even sarcastically, you should reword it.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    In what Game 7 did Mike shoot 31%?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i defend any person who is right in a given discussion i find to be worth commenting on. he’s a smart cat, sometimes he’s right, and i find it a topic worth wasting some time on. it would be the same way if you commented regularly and were on the side of a discussion that i agree with.
    .
    how he is as a person is how he is. again, do you have butt sex with all the people who are open about their lives with you? you must, to make this weird assumption.

  • LakeShow

    Oh forgot you added the “game 7″ qualifier ¾ way through the conversation.

    It was a game 4 in the finals. 3 games before the 7th game…

    Forgot you stopped asking this question and changed it to suit your argument.

    “When has LBJ or MJ went close to 6-25.” Exact quote.

    Well, I’ll switch it up, just like you…

    When has MJ ever grabbed 15 boards in a game 7?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in reality, the Bulls don’t have money to go after Kobe until Carlos Boozer’s contract expires. Which is not this summer. The chance of Kobe leaving LA at all are pretty remote, the chances of him swinging his way to Chicago to play second fiddle to Derrick Rose? probably 0.01%

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Yeah maybe, and yet the point still stands. Hubris is your fatal flaw when it comes to discussing basketball and that’s why people are calling you out right now.

  • tee

    The only ppl I get open with about my personal life are those I’m close with in real life.

    You two men have this close internet relationship. That’s weird to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    close internet relationship?
    .
    he knows i’m a 26 year old in Phoenix with a wife and daughter. he know my first name is Tim. oh, he probably knows my dogs name is Kobe, as that has come up in multiple “you hate Kobe” conversations.
    .
    and now so do you……
    .
    are we butt buddies now too?

  • LakeShow

    Why aren’t we talking about basketball?

    I’m here for basketball, why are you here?

    You have yet to talk about basketball on an basketball comment forum…

    And we are the weirdo’s…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, i don’t care how you people feel about me tho….you do realize that? you can criticize my hubris all you want. it’s still random people on the internet thinking their opinion about another random person on the internet matters…..
    .
    do i feel like i know more about basketball then you people? yes definitely. do i care if that comes off as too arrogant? no, not at all.

  • LakeShow

    We come to defense of basketball facts.

    NEVER each other EVER.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    eh, right, but they want to call it defending a person, i’ll let them run with it. i really genuinely don’t care if they think they have a right to judge me, so i’ll play the hand they want to deal out.

  • tee

    Hey man you don’t have to defend you and Caboose’s relationship. I think it’s weird only because I couldn’t picture myself having an online relationship with some guy, but you don’t have to minimize what you and Caboose have by sharing with me info that he feels brings him closer to you. I don’t even wanna know about your life.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    We were talking about Kobe’s 6-25. That was Game 7. Follow me?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Oh obviously you are being judged on here, as is everyone based on what they say. You say that my comments says something about me. So, in other words, you are judging me. You are forming an opinion of me. It’s fine, just don’t act like you are above it. When you call people stupid and tell them that they don’t know anything about basketball, you justify it as an objective truth based on what you know about basketball.

    You’re not acknowledging the amount to which you are employing your own opinions to form a conclusion about people. I’m voicing my opinion of your approach to basketball based on your comments. If that’s illuminating something further about me in your eyes then that’s no surprise, we all judge each other.

  • tee

    Atta boy lakeshow. Stick up for your guys, man. Touchy subject?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    I know, it’s because you’re arrogant. Lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i actually have no opinion of you at all. just think it does, if i were to judge you as a person, say more that you are more interested in my life as a commenter then on the actual subject that i discuss…on a basketball website.
    .
    but, i’m not judging you, so i’m not really putting thought into it. maybe it’s your job to judge comment sections on the internet, idk. maybe this is your hobby? who am i to judge.

  • LakeShow

    Why is game 7 of the finals more important than Jordan’s game 4 where they were up 3 games and could have put them away.

    Now answer my question, quit dodging it…

    Why has MJ never grabbed 15 boards in a game 7?

  • Cortez Mack

    This does not seem far fetched to me.

    I do not see this “let Kobe become a free agent” working out at all for the Lakers retaining him if he comes back at a high level.

    This is why I say this “franchise loyalty” nonsense is for the birds.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Now you’re just being disingenuous. My comments are indicative of some larger character trait, but you’re not judging me. You aren’t forming an opinion of me, you’re just saying that I am more interested in your life as a commenter than on basketball. That’s an objective truth because…oh wait no it isn’t, it’s an opinion in the guise of a fact. You keep reinforcing my point nbk.

  • LakeShow

    Hey i’m the cool guy that goes onto a basketball web-site, feels left out that he can’t really contribute due to lack of understanding of the game, there-fore turn into a troll and try to make fun of people personally so that is takes away from them actually realizing I know nothing about the game…

    Oh wait that’s you….

    Enjoy that impressive lil life of yours.

  • Cortez Mack

    “Jim Buss just gave Horry Jr his walking papers.”

    This is true. As funny as it is, plenty of people who have been considered the “goat” have been given their walking papers by their team.

  • LakeShow

    He’s terrible for a high pick, he has shown glimpses of some impressive basketball skills. He is good defender, a solid 3 point shooter and athletic.

    My whole point is that there are young guys that can run on the Lakers now, not that these guys are future all stars…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t think any of these comments are indicative of any character traits actually. i don’t jump to conclusions. for me to judge you, i would literally have to sit down and think about it. i’m not an impulsive person. so maybe what i said in the comment came off an disingenuous, but it wasn’t. i’m not judging you, but if i were i would probably focus on that aspect of your comments.

  • tee

    Aww you mad bro? Done with your tantrum?

  • Cortez Mack

    The Shock Exchange just killed me!

    I do not subscribe to your “Horry Jr” meme, but…

    This is the GREATEST post yet!

    I give this exact speech a 48% chance of playing out if Bryant went to the Bulls.

    “The Bulls without Kobe Bryant is just a team in search of a Kobe Bryant!” ~Kobe Bryant

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    You’re not judging me, but if you were, that would be your judgment. You’re not actually trying to make a point about me in making that statement in the first place, you’re just pointing out what one could potentially surmise, ok got it.

  • LakeShow

    Solid trolling. Well done.

  • Dundler

    This bodes…well it just bodes…

  • LakeShow

    Welcome Dundler, here on this page you will find that if you agree on basketball facts you are sexual butt mates, and FG% is the end all be all of basketball scoring efficiency.

    Enjoy rolling through the comments!!!

  • Dundler

    Ha. Kobe the dog is awesome. This is worth more to me than any relevant basketball knowledge you may gie

  • Dundler

    Yes, I have found this quickly. I assumed that 2002 was the last year that people considered that typing to someone in a comment system was a type of ‘relationship’.

    As for FG%, hey its great, if you want numbers with no context.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhm, idk what my judgement would be. never said how that would affect my opinion, haven’t even thought about it.
    .
    what does, “just think it says more about you than anything else.” say about how i would judge you if i were to do so?

  • Dundler

    Meh I think its miss-taken (that looks wrong if I type it the other way). I think he was saying he can calculate and assess the game with a more knowledgeable eyes, but he feels the same watching Lebron as anyone does.

    I’d guess, like I have a clue

  • tee

    Um Lakeshow, are YOU done? I’m only saying what most readers (non-posters) think when they read these threads. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

  • AndyK415

    He had two good games for the Wolves. That’s it. He was so awful. And then he couldn’t even make with the Suns. I’m sorry LakeShow, you will be disappointed.

  • LLC#12

    I tried to follow this one for a while but it was just more than I could handle.

  • Dundler

    Lol man I cosign. I saw 198 comments and thought ‘what are the chances of this being a decent debate about Kobe or something relevant or just descending into squabbling and name calling’.

    And I still clicked.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Dude, we’ve been over this. You’re being disingenuous now because you backed yourself into a corner. You started out by criticizing me for judging you, and then you followed it up with “i think that says more about you than anything else”, which is explicitly saying that my comments elicit their own judgment on behalf of the reader. You then doubled down by revealing what that judgment would be, “if i were to judge you as a person, say more that you are more
    interested in my life as a commenter then on the actual subject that i
    discuss…on a basketball website”.

    The issue is not that I’m upset that you would judge me, nor is it that you aren’t in the right to challenge my comments as being unjustly judgmental or that I ought to mind my own business, it’s that you continuously contradicted yourself and refuse to be honest about that fact. You are acting holier than thou whist blatantly engaging in the same behavior. The only difference is that you refuse to acknowledge this fact.

    But, again, your own ego will not allow you to admit when you’ve stumbled.

  • Above_You

    Well said.

  • Dundler

    For what its worth, I don’t think we need to over analyse the Lakers.
    They’ve gathered every ‘he once had potential, is athletic, and might, just might be decent’ they can find. Because why not? Probably going to suck anyway, get all the low-risk, high-reward players you can.
    Let Kobe go get his numbers, showcase Pau for a possible trade and either get in the lottery or make an 8th seed (They’ll have a big summer even without the draft)

    But this news, well…not cool. I don’t want a season of the Lakers announcers wondering whats going to happen with Kobe next year

  • thebossman15

    very arguable that he is goat..smh, funny how you sided with “the rest” of my previous comment when you may fit into that category

  • Above_You

    Not defending SSJ, but I think the premise of your fake outrage is silly. I know a black guy named Sergio. Am I racist for thinking it’s a lame name too? And FYI, countries can be made up of people of more than one race and ethnicity. Even if he is silly enough to not like a name because it’s from a country different from his own, how does that automatically make him racist in particular?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    I have to go to work so I apologize that I cannot reply to your comment assuming that there is one. But feel free to make your case and I’ll respond to it later, or not, since I don’t think either of us knows why we’re still talking about this.

  • shockexchange

    From now on “Shock Exchange” will suffice. No need to get personal with people Conor.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Man, I don’t like judging the people I see everyday. I’m not going to judge you based on your comments on the Internet. I might be arrogant about basketball, but I’m not arrogant about how well I know or understand the motivations and emotions of other people.

  • Above_You

    It’s not nice to make fun of someone’s name, but it’s even worse to make light of racism because you disagree with someone’s basketball opinion.

  • LakeShow

    Good to just hear a sane voice on SLAM today…

  • Dundler

    Cmon, you’ll start off a top ten of all time with me won’t you?

  • LakeShow

    Oh I know. Don’t act like I just saw he was a top 15 draft pick and figured he was awesome. I know his whole career. He still has a chance to become a decent rotation player is all that my hope is.

  • LakeShow

    Good one!!!

  • LakeShow

    He had 10 games with over 15 points his rookie year. It wasn’t as bad as your making it sound. I won’t be disappointed because i’m not expectant of much. I understand who he is. His best couple of year should be the next few as he comes into his own. AND, he is a good defender, you should know that.

  • AndyK415

    I hear ya. Sad thing is I think he was in the top 6…I can’t remember if it was pick #4 or #6. Trust me though, I’m rooting for the Lakers. Although I’m a Wolves fan, the Lakers are my 2nd team. My Grandpa and I watch them (he used to go to all the games when they were in Minneapolis).

  • LakeShow

    Oh cool you conduct SLAM commenter popularity polls? Can I see your work?

  • Dundler

    In the fantasy draft later?

  • LakeShow

    **Crickets**

    “Your just wrong cause your snooty!”

    Is what I guess their reasoning is…

  • zues

    How is that racist? Name the race he allegedly hates. You can’t even say he hates all Latin sounding names since part of his name is Juan. You say a lot of jackazz things here but don’t make fun of real racism.

  • LakeShow

    So you still want a player that gives you 25 points on 20 FG’s on 50% shooting over a player that gives you more points on less shots with a worst FG%…

    Congrat’s: YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK

  • zeus

    Real talk man. Just cause dudes are in here bickering like teem girls doesn’t mean its cool to throw around labels lightly.

  • AndyK415

    Those were all garbage time scoring my friend. I watched them. He consistently played his way further down the rotation. Only starting or playing minutes because of injury or garbage time.

  • LakeShow

    Harden/Kobe…
    Similar playing styes. Same position.

    Harden shot a worse FG% but scored more per shot attempt.

    Thus, more efficient.

    Please just man up and admit you were wrong.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t “fit” anything.

    I believe what I see in front of me.

    MJ and KAJ are the two greatest of all time.

    More accomplishments. More efficient. Better defenders.

    The rest is up for debate IMO.

  • The Seed

    Lakers will be making a HUGE mistake. Snakes can regenerate.

  • LakeShow

    I just think this guy is an imbecile, so i’m trolling him.

    Of course it’s not racist to think a foreigners name is dumb.

    It’s just dumb.

  • LakeShow

    Of course it’s stupid. I’mt trolling him.

    I also just want to say I have ZERO respect for your opinion on anything, because you always up-vote shock exchange. And anybody that agree’s with Shock Exchange has ZERO credibility…

  • Above_You

    I’m pretty sure there are Americans who also have the name Sergio. Not every American has a WASP background. Just because Sergio happens to be a “foreigner” (whatever that means on the internet), doesn’t mean he hates foreigners’ names.

  • Above_You

    I’m supposed to care? I didn’t realize I was vying for you to deem me credible. lol I have zero respect for you in general, but my points still stand. And Shock Exchange happens to at least be entertaining. You’re just obnoxious.

  • LakeShow

    I think it was #9… lemme google lol….

    Holy sh*t he was drafted 4th… I suck.

    I can tell your just trying to tell me how it is and not being a pretentious ass.

    I think your right.

    Remember what I originally said before everyone else turned it into “Wes Johnson is the 2nd coming of Christ almighty.”

    I said: “The youth is inspiring. The young guys (Farmar, Johnson, Young) are really exciting. Each one is a decent defender when they put their mind to it, and can shoot and run. That’s something the Lakers haven’t had in years. Many years. So that’s nice.”

    That’s all I said in response to how the Lakers are looking so far…

  • LakeShow

    cool peace

  • LakeShow

    You won bro.

    Let me know when you actually want to talk BASKETBALL sometime.

  • tim

    Hey I’m lakeshow and trolling is only cool when I do it.

  • LakeShow

    Trolling is only cool when you troll a troll actually.

  • tim

    Just because you don’t agree with his opinion doesn’t mean he’s a troll. Grow up. You’re the one who started with the insults. You fit the bill more than he does.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Lol, just give us silence sometimes. Instead of just admitting you were wrong with the racism angle, you try to go with “I’m trolling him” angle. Yeah, ok.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Trolling translation- “Yeah, I was totally off base and idiotic for throwing racism out there but I thought others would agree with me and attack Sean Superstar Juan with me. However, since that backfired, I will just try to discredit all detractors because they agreed with Shock Exchange in order to save face”.

  • Conor

    The stop being a blatant moron. It isn’t funny.

  • Conor

    Of course… of course I wrote “The” instead of “Then”.

    Go home, Ralph.

  • Conor

    Actually, “Stooge” would suffice, but that goes without saying.

  • LakeShow

    Nope, calling it racism was always stupid.

    Just wanted to be part of the stupid group.

  • LakeShow

    I was wrong.

    Take note, this is what a man sounds like. Figured I better let you know, since you have no clue what it’s like to be a man.

    ……………………………………………………………………………..

    So back to Harden vs Kobe efficiency…

    See, you can’t evade things here. I will call you out till your gone or become man.

    Why is KB more efficient last season? …….. Waiting…….

  • AndyK415

    Yeah I’m not trying to be a dick at all. Like I said before, I’m a third generation Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers fan. I root for them and the Wolves. I hope they do well. I just know and have seen too many seasons of shitty Wes Johnson.

  • Samm-O

    The pure comical ignorance on this page is hilarious!!
    Sean “super star” juan you need to learn some manners and start recognizing these hoop heads.
    Personal attacks are par for course for trolls who can’t actually defend their point.

    Sad start to the new season with these sheds.

  • berkamore

    Just putting it up here so it will be seen.

    As of this writing, this thread has 262 reactions. There is a thread about the passing of former Lakers Coach Bill Sharman that has 2 reactions: both by me.

    A d….n shame that we got no reaction from the so called Lakers fans. This is the guy who coached your team to its first title and that legendary 33 game winning streak. Not sure what kind of fans you are if you don’t even know your history. But bygones, just keep doing your thing…………..

  • z

    Wow. You really are a groupie without shame lmaoooo. Wtf are you the president of their fan club? You should be slapped. Get off your knees and close your mouth. Have some dignity. Sucking off grown men in a comment section is a new low.

  • zeebo

    Um dude, the guy who goes by “Lakeshow” is a bandwagon Laker fan. Fool claimed to be a fan of the Sonics, then jumped on the Lakeshow train when he moved to sleazy LA. There is nothing reapectable about him. Why would he comment on a story only a true Laker fan cares about?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    That’s probably a fair way to put it.

  • berkamore

    Interesting that I am not even a Lakers fan and I seem to know/care more about that franchise than………..oh nevermind. It just sad but thanks for your reaction.

  • Evan Boland

    “I want to put an end to any speculation that we would allow Kobe to
    become a free agent. That’s not going to happen.” – Jim Buss

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nah man. I would rather be me then you because I’m not the person judging people I don’t know…….I don’t know your situation or why you felt that your feelings were relevant. And I certainly don’t feel cornered. But I know I as I said don’t like judging people I see everyday. So I see no reason to, or why I would do that with someone on the Internet based on a comment section. I don’t understand where that comes from.
    .
    If me admittedly being ignorant of who you are as a person and also of knowing why you see what i do as a criticism of you, or some “defense mechanism” in your opinion that’s fine. I don’t mind if this is viewed as “wrong” or contradictory – I’m just being honest.

  • Conor

    The OC Register? Get it together, SLAM.

  • Conor

    Just because we don’t comment on a SLAM thread does not mean we do not respect Mr. Sharman’s innovative contributions to the game and cherish a wonderful personality, you imbecile. Cut the holier-than-thou sh*t.

  • berkamore

    Conor, get bent if you don’t have anything nice to say. Dumb f..k.

  • berkamore

    And BTW, you still haven’t posted anything on that thread, so instead of giving us your “worldview”, post something. It may surprise you but we can’t guess what is in your head, God, what is it with morons these days…………

  • Conor

    Your commenting on one commemorative article of thousands does not make you a better person that those who elect not to, you narcissistic simpleton.

    SLAM is not the only place where we may pay our respects to his family, and it certainly isn’t the best place.

    Has God answered you yet, twit?

  • berkamore

    Better person? Goodness, don’t put words into my mouth. Better person, what are you, 12? Yeah probably.

    Just don’t comment on my posts, do something else. You always come back with something that is kind of irrelevant anyway. I don’t react to your s..t, you do to mine.

    Why is that? What is the attraction? Can’t you do your own thing? Can’t you do better than cyberstalking me? (probably not, LOL)

  • berkamore

    I may be a simpleton but you are following me and reacting to my stuff. What does that makes you, Einstein? ROFL.

  • Conor

    You called out Lakers fans at large, and I responded on behalf of everyone who has a brain. If stalking is clicking on a commentary and reading an imbecile self-aggrandize, well, we’re all stalkers.

  • berkamore

    Just go away. Find somebody else to troll……..

  • Conor

    Following? I don’t believe you understand what that word means. Once again: narcissistic simpleton.

    Calling you out for being an idiot makes me an idiot? I know that America’s educational system is lackluster, but do they really allow just anybody to get an education now?

  • Conor

    It hurts to use your brain, doesn’t it?

  • berkamore

    It hurts to use your brain, doesn’t it?

  • berkamore

    Following? I don’t believe you understand what that word means. Once again: narcissistic simpleton.

    Calling you out for being an idiot makes me an idiot? I know that
    America’s educational system is lackluster, but do they really allow
    just anybody to get an education now

  • berkamore

    So that’s it? You don’t know how to go on? Well, that was kind of weak. Ok, I’m going to bed. Maybe you can come up with something by tomorrow. And I will react to it, or not. LOL.

  • guest_douche

    Being pretty mopey…never mind though. *sigh

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    we shouldn’t make fun of people

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i know its not right to make fun of people

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro lets not make fun of people. regardless of whether it is merited or not it’s wrong

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    its is wrong to humiliate someone..

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    lets not make fun of people. i have stated this to every comment so far from every person i have read. please refer to the above.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    but rephrase it in a more appropraite way

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    please lets refrain from insults

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    come on bro that’s backbiting. dont do it

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s uncalled for

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    no more humiliating each other

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    dang why the harshness

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    come on bro relax

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  • shutup

    speaking of cornballs……….

  • shutup

    you can win a debate, isn’t that usually the point, well that and to expand ones horizons

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    why are you referencing food?

  • juice

    Winning an online debate clearly doesn’t mean as much to him as it does to you and nbk. I think that was kinda his point. That’s not so hard to grasp.

  • LakeShow

    “getting a remarkable performance from a young and energetic blend of reserves who carried the torch in the 116-103 victory at Staples Center.”

    Following the Lakers game 1 win over the Clippers…

    Hello, allow me to introduce myself, my name is “Suck it Bi*ch!”

    BTW, how is Kobe more efficient than Harden again? …Idiot…

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Yay, they beat the Clippers on opening night. Break out the champagne bottles! I’m sure people do address you by the moniker “Suck it Bi*ch”, especially after watching you polish NBK off day after day.

  • LakeShow

    Who cares about the W.

    It just goes to show you have no idea about who is a solid role player in the L and who isn’t. Or what is considered young in the NBA today.

    “young and energetic blend of reserves”

    You think Jordan Farmar will be out of the L in 3 years lol…

    Suck it BEE-OTCH

    So you wanna explain how KB is more efficient than Harden other than “their height” argument?

    LMAO…

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Last response to you, here it goes. The NBA season is 82 games long. One is quite presumptions to base opinions after the first game of that season. The only thing that I want to explain to you is that homosexuality is something that you shouldn’t be ashamed of in these days and times and your seemingly insatiable desire to present males with situations of oral sex with other males makes you a prime candidate to “come out” like others before you have. Go ahead and get your Jason Collins on, we can all see that it’s getting too difficult for you to hide.

  • LakeShow

    Haha, awesome. Your stupid, and homo-phobic.

    Troll[slang]: A “troll” is one who resorts to name calling and other trivial forms of speech when confronted with facts and truths that they cannot handle.

    I like how you CANNOT defend your stupid “FG% is the greatest stat ever” spiel.

    Troll sooooo harrrrd Suppah star.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Next time you attempt to call someone stupid, make sure you can grasp the “you’re” vs “your” thing first.

    “Learn how to bag the shit up first, then get Money!!” Tommy Bunz-Belly.

  • LakeShow

    Naw, I don’t care about my grammar, thank you though.

    Since you do care though, let me help you out.

    “Learn how to bag the sh*t up first, then get Money!!”

    No need to capitalize “money” bud.

    BTW, you still like a player that gives you 10ppg on 10FGA over one that does it on 6FGA?

    LOL

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Money is capitalized because it’s emphasized in the actual movie. Your “mistake” is not in grammar but comprehension, as you spelled the word correctly but didn’t understand the context in which you should use it. BTW, why did you remove the “Wes Johnson, Jordan Farmarr, Nick Young is the future” post? LOL

  • LakeShow

    You should have capitalized the whole thing then.

    Any post where I said that Wes Johnson, Jordan Farmar, and Nick Young are “the future” was completely fabricated in your mind.

    I understood the context just fine. I just didn’t proof read while I typed quickly. I have over 5,000 comments on this website. You can go back and find dozens upon dozens of grammatical errors in my posts if you would like to.

    If you couldn’t assume the correct version of “their”, “they’re”, and “there” while reading that paragraph, that is more on you, than the poster.

    The point was quite clear, and obviously you just don’t like me more than find that my points aren’t accurate. Otherwise you would not be on a basketball website arguing about grammar. Instead of defending the IDIOTIC idea that guys who don’t take free throw’s are more valuable than guys that do.

    But don’t change for me. You should remain a troll, it appears that’s your true calling.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Thanks.

  • LakeShow

    Glad to hear your content and happy being a troll.

    Interesting life to live, but hey like I said, don’t be a respectable person just because I want you to be.

    So want to discuss why a guy that shoots 50% FG’s is always more efficient than one that shoots less than 50%?? lol this will forever amuse me… dunce.

  • Sean Superstar Juan

    Once you can grasp the concept of total field attempts and lost potential possessions, it will one day dawn on you. Your name should be KobeShow.

  • LakeShow

    FG · FGA · 3P · 3PA · FT · FTA · ORB · DRB · TRB · AST · STL · BLK · TOV, TS%, EFG% …

    Hmmm, No “TFA”…
    Total Field Attempts?
    What is that?
    Can you familiarize me?
    Please learn me…

    “lost potential possessions” …You mean the ones that the guy that shoots FT’s capitalizes on? Yeah those are nice free points.

    Your name should be “Supppahstahhhh” … oh wait it already is lol.

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