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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2013 at 11:40 am  |  75 responses

Mike D’Antoni Says the Lakers Will Play Slower This Season


Head coach Mike D’Antoni introduced himself to Lakers fans and media last season with promises of bringing Showtime back to Hollywood. Everyone knew then that he was crazy and that this would never happen. D’Antoni says he’s finally reached the same conclusions. Per the LA Times: “When Mike D’Antoni became the Lakers’ coach last season, he wanted them to be a fast-paced team that scored around 110 points a game. Then reality set in. With their aging roster, the Lakers averaged 102.2 points. ‘i was on drugs back then,’ D’Antoni said with a laugh after Monday’s practice. ‘My knee was hurting, Vicodin was killing me.’ This time around, D’Antoni has more realistic expectations. When asked what he’s thinking the team’s pace should be, the coach didn’t mince words. ‘I’m not thinking,’ D’Antoni said. ‘Obviously it didn’t work out last year so I don’t know. We’re just going to try to score as many as we can and hold them to as [few points] as we can.’ D’Antoni said he wants the Lakers to be in the top five teams in the league in pace. ‘It won’t be breakneck speed,’ he said. Steve Nash said the Lakers weren’t equipped for the type of basketball D’Antoni had envisioned. ‘We didn’t have the makeup for that type of play,’ the 39-year-old point guard said. ‘We didn’t have maybe the shooting or the athleticism last year.’ … ‘I dont think we should play that fast,’ he said. ‘I think there’s a certain pace, a continual pace that’s important to find.’”

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  • i_ball

    “D’Antoni said he wants the Lakers to be in the top five teams in the league in pace.”

    So slow!

  • Cortez Mack

    “We’re just going to try to score as many as we can and hold them to as [few points] as we can.”

    Captain Obvious speaks again.

  • Brickshooting J

    Fire D’Antoni!!

  • LakeShow

    I like that he isn’t a jack ass this season.

  • spit hot fiyah

    co-signed by every coach in the world

  • spit hot fiyah

    good idea since none of his players got faster

  • playa

    Well the bench DEFINATELY got faster+ Young>>>>>>>>>Mettaa in terms of athletism.

  • ballislife

    The Lakers look so weak for the first time since the Kobe Shaq era. No doubt the Lakers will be mediocre. I think its good for the NBA though. Let some other teams get some shine while they rebuild. One thing is for sure the Lakers will be back.

  • LakeShow

    Wes Johnson, Nick Young, Jordan Farmar, Jordan Hill, Meeks. All are really fast athletic guys. They just need to have different paces for different line-ups.

  • bike

    “‘i was on drugs back then,’ D’Antoni said with a laugh”
    .
    Here is to hoping they extend drug testing to coaches this season.

  • Sérgio

    Lake, don’t you think D’Antoni should insert Hill in the starting lineup and move Gasol to center, instead of putting Kaman at C and Pau at PF? That would improve the defense and add some much needed athleticism to this group.

  • LakeShow

    Honestly man… I don’t know.

    I don’t think anyone really knows.

    Here’s the deal, Kaman had a really nice pre-season. His jumper is deadly out to 20 feet. So he and Pau both can roam while the other plays in the post. Hill hasn’t proved his jumper yet.

    Hill, we also know is a really strong energy guy and can get you a 10-10-2 stat line off the bench. Where-as Kaman has always had a starting position and is a former all star.

    Right now i’m inclined to say Kaman and Gasol should start and have them both play PF/C alternating. They both can play either position. Then you have all the energy of Hill coming off the bench to replace either one of them.

    Their front court is not ideal in practicality, but they are very skilled. They also have Shawne Williams, whom may end up being D’Antoni’s favorite…

  • Saleem Rainman

    Honestly it doesnt matter where they start as long as Pau is the one in the post and Kaman is the one stretching the floor with his good mid range shooting on offence.

  • Sérgio

    I really liked Kaman’s jumper this preaseason. But I raised the topic exclusively for defensive purposes. I’m really worried about the Lakers D. Nash, and injured Kobe, Young/Johnson, Gasol and Kaman would create a lay up line to other teams.

    Obviously, we can hope that they would score a lot. But it’s tough to count on only on scoring to win games.

  • LakeShow

    Kaman is historically a better defender than offensive player. He’s actually a solid lane clogger. 21.3 career defensive win shares vs -0.5 offensive win shares.

  • Sérgio

    Yeah, I know, but he was pretty bad defensively at Dallas last season. They were stingier when he was off the floor.

  • Caboose

    Idk where the perception comes from that Kaman is bad at D. He’s remarkably effective at shutting down driving lanes for slashers. He’s not the guy you want as the focal point of your defense, but he’s gonna help, for sure.

  • Caboose

    Just wait for it.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, I always thought it was pretty obvious he was an above average to a good defender.

  • bball knowledge

    that line-up is pretty much BRICK CITY.

  • LakeShow

    Nope.

    Young, Farmar, Meeks are all above average 3 point shooters.

  • LakeShow

    He was pretty poopy last year. He already looks better this year than at any point last season.

  • Ralphizm

    Mike D’Antoni is the worst coach in basketball today. He doesn’t deserve to coach the Lakers. Looking forward to the day they fire that clown and actually hire a real coach…

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Those aren’t dynamic scorers except Nick Young and that’s an over velocity. I would never want to see 4 of those guys on a 1 on 2 fastbreak let alone a 1 on 1. The lakers have one option. Tank and get two picks in the lottery and rebuild. Dante Exum and Joel Embid. You need a Big Point with a Bynum-esque prospet which I dont even think he looks like.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    that’s the point. Lakers aren’t making 8th seed

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    his white complexion and awkward mobility as a 7 footer. Plus lack of athleticism.

    He actually has that strong post defense due to his ability to endure from some form of scandanavian inheritance… You’ll never see a non white person out in the cold running with high shorts or jumping nude into the cold water. White people in general have a great pain tolerance…. mosh pits heavy metal rock music… swimming with sharks… CHOOSING to explore and survive in nature

    that’s why minorities typically don’t like to bathe in the winter time. shout out Pierre de Fermat

  • LakeShow

    Can you point out where I called them dynamic anythings?
    No, okay didn’t think so…

    No offense man, but you have proven to not really have any clue at all what you are taking about. Not a diss, but just understand, I don’t give a sh*t about your opinion, at all… Your a nice guy, but seem absolutely clueless.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    poopy. I didn’t notice stercobilin anywhere outwardly while kaman was playing but maybe that’s because adding velocity remix remix ah man ah man Holiday Season is that how you really feel ah man ah man HhhhhOliday Season. You know the world’s gone mad when Cannon Cannon

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    You referenced them as really fast athletic guys. I should have repeated your words instead of substituting dynamic.

    I have no desire to personally attack anyones opinions I jokingly say nick young is a franchise sg but in reality I am unsure if he will study under kobe and try to increase his IQ to become a all star level sg which he can if he changes his focus. I don’t agree though that the lakers should have signed trial SGs for a 8th seed. They should have gone into rebuild mode.

    where do this “At ALl opinion” i am not lecturing you. It’s a simple conversation. I am not asking you to change your blood from purple and gold to Red,blue, and white (lakers to clippers). It’s like i get the feeling you think i am trying to undermine your command on these boards. You and NBK are veterans who have created a brand on slam.

  • Caboose

    ……………..the f*ck kinda racist sh!t was that?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    3rd defintion of racism on dictionary.com hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    how do i have any hatred or intolerance. im just staying current observations in my environment from visual and literature references. doesnt the book Guns, Germs, Steel imply something similar about White’s (not Jewish or Arabic ethnicity or fare skinned from other cultures) but the European whites ability to survive harsher conditions gave them a pedigree in conquering?

  • Caboose

    I definitely have my criticisms of Diamond’s work, but that’s beside the point.

    What you were doing was making VERY broad stroke claims based on little more than observation (which is what Diamond does a lot of).

    “White people in general have great pain tolerance…” then you go on to cite some ridiculous non-sequiturs. Do NOT cite that pathetic Woodrow study from 1972, because if you are a scientist, you know that thing is littered with fallacy.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i did it to address your question as to why people undermine kaman’s defensive ability and gave i thought a decent explanation as to why he’s a solid defender in the context of race for both incorrect perception and his ability.

    I don’t think the sci community has really indulged in research in the molecular origins of pain tolerance among different ethnicities. I mean the current research deals with tx for either inflammatory or neuropathic pains which has a lot of $$$ to the pharm industry.

    I mean you don’t agree that white ppl genearlly have a higher tolerance to harsher environments. there isn’t scientific evidence more or less just observation.

  • Caboose

    It is incredibly biased observation. Who says that the snows of Russia are harsher than the forests of Vietnam or the plains of Africa? If you wanna argue that, good luck, cause you can’t prove it. You will NOT get me to agree that “white people have a higher tolerance to harsher environments.” You’re making the positive claim here, you gotta show me something other than swimming with sharks or some other bs.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    what’s wrong with stereotypic when there is truthful claims to that stereotype. It’s not hateful its not trying to oppress any other race. I agree deserts, forests have a different degree of pain that must be endured.

    but we don’t have to agree. i just don’t know why are saying i am making ignorant racist claims. are you a university of grad or post grad student?

  • Caboose

    You are making a positive stereotype about one group of people at the expense of other people. You think somehow white people have a higher pain tolerance.

    At the worst, it’s a racist argument.

    At the best, it’s just being a f*cking moron.

    Take your pick.

  • Saleem Rainman

    what do you think about the sleeves jerseys?

  • Caboose

    Word.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    expense of what other race. Every race and culture has positive attributes. we all equal in terms of being human beings but different races and cultures have positives compared to others. but those positives are masked by goals of what all humans share greed wealth etc.

    university level student? or at you at berkely

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    its good and modest.

  • Saleem Rainman

    not ugly?

  • Caboose

    You have nothing to back up your claims, other than observational data. Even the worst sociologist would look down on you inferring conclusions from the fact that white people are in mosh pits. YOU have to explain your points. YOU have to prove the null hypothesis wrong.

    Null hypothesis in this case is: there is no correlation between race and pain tolerance. If you wanna prove that wrong, you’ve gotta come with something stronger than anecdotal evidence.

    Yes, university level student, UC Berkeley. You seem like the type of person who has read one book for his intro class at community college and thinks he knows everything. Because honestly, you’re stomping on the scientific method if you can’t understand the concept of making a positive claim from evidence.

  • Caboose

    Believe me, nbk, and LakeShow are not worried about you undermining anything. Those two know basketball better than 90% of the people on these boards, often myself included.

    They’re not threatened by someone who thinks Chris Paul isn’t a franchise changing point guard and who doesn’t understand PER.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    It’s cool now to flaunt your body and show Sex appeal. What does it mean to be “sexy”… this is only a modern idea. Attraction always existed between male and female but the idea that working out showing your biceps made you a better mate to pass of your genes and more protective due to some illogical imposing of animal world heirachy is so crazy. I mean the biggest male gets the best looking female. what is this tarzan… lol jocks and nerds only in this part of the globe. I don’t think this exist in aborigine tribes or buddhist monks?

    When modesty goes so will humanity? where do you see humanity in the future. where does your name come from?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    did you read my response? He used the words fast athletic which has some qualifier in scoring when you say dynamic scorer. look you guys can have the slam board leadership i just present my own opinion. adding velocity over and out

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    You have it backwards. It’s only recently that the biggest male did not end up with the female. Look at every dude at a Bon Iver concert and ask yourself if they would have secured a mate in the days of hunter gatherers. That’s progress. You’re thinking about it backwards.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i didn’t add my other point. That skinny fragile body with a lot of wealth indirectly has “big muscles”. The idea that attraction is based upon one’s ability to successfully protect the progeny supports the view that life is just one big rat race. Where do morals, pursuit of truth, character factor into the male and female relationship. Do married women enjoy having just comfortable material wealth but a husband (who with his big muscles or wealth) have intercourse with multiple woman (adultery). This position is so flawed that its removing humanity from the human being. Truth is for the thinker which all humans are able to do Think at level no other species can.

    progress please explain?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    CP3 isn’t franchise PG. You literally have to get the best players who suit his style of play to make his teams good. You could do that for any player. The nets haven’t done that for deron they just pick up best pieces and expect deron to make it work.

    My definition of a franchise pg is one who elevates the pieces around him no matter who the team picks up. Deron is better definition of a franchise pg than CP3 except health hurts. but GMs have a different take on it. than I do,but i would take rajon over cp3 as first pick to build a team any day

    I don’t understand how people can justify positions on PER i mean can you explain to me how PER standardizes everything and adjusts for all factors that influence how a player influences the court. Explain to me the mechanism behind PER.

  • Caboose

    Lol.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    at me or with me. shout out to Robert WIlliam Fogel

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    But there are a lot of really decent females who don’t think like that. Yes, the idiots on TV and many in real life are obsessed with the aforementioned frivolous qualities, but not any of the ones that are worth a damn. Maybe you are just being exposed to the wrong women.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    And I’m saying that it’s progress because even a generation ago women were taught to aim for a man who could provide them financial security and men were taught to aim for a woman who could raise their kids and “make a good home”.

    That hasn’t been eradicated but there are plenty of women who say, “I can make my own damn money” and who are more concerned with finding someone who’s compatible with them on a human level. You’re too pessimistic my friend.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    this is where i differ. most woman follow the same lines as males in this thinking for two reasons. Social engineering that focuses on the body and outward appearance. even educated, wealthy woman want that Trophy type husband who does it all and will stay at home with kids etc.

    I am saying there is a systemic cultural issue that promotes that outward appearance and pursuit of entertainment rather than a culture rooted in pursuit of truth, morality,and safety for people of all socioeconomic classes.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    far from pessimistic im stating the obvious. What the current female and male think about goes against what a human being is a seeker of truth, justice, morality, (not just happiness and feeling peace).

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Well our (American) culture has never valued any of the things you mentioned other than their own sense of morality, which usually led to the deaths or persecution of a lot of other people. So that is part of our inherent cultural identity. As per the issue regarding women and what they value, I again have to say that you are hanging around with the wrong women.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    how many coaches in the nba actually have value

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    I still disagree that most women and men are ok with those who are liars, unjust, and immoral.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    historically can you think of any civilization who has met those criteria, i mean in the western world the french enlighment was pretty good also i though martin lutehr’s protesttan reformation aginst catholic was an effort to prevent oppressive religious regimes from controlling masses and spreading literacy. but i don’t believe that martin luther had the right to make up a lie in the translation of romans 3:28 when transcribing to german and changing a completely new doctrine.

    i am still surprised why americans swear on the bible?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Because they’re still a religious people.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    no big difference you are addressing something i never said.

    i agree with ou that ppl don’t like liars, unjust, and immoral. but does the american culture and for that matter democracy foster those ideas i mentioned above anymore like the intending founders of america wanted.

    or are we now just caught up in attractions and celebrity

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    but does that make any sense to tell the truth on a book where fabrications exist and previous truths are lost in translation.

    either its time to integrate with machines or adopt a different approach as a society how we view mass education and health care and a new ideology

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    Not to me it doesn’t. Especially since they are charged with upholding the Constitution. Seems like that should be what they put their hand on.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    We definitely do not value those things as a culture. Or at least not as I perceive them. People certainly value their own sense of morality, justice, and truth, but I don’t think that they see it as I do. As per democracy, it doesn’t represent anything other than peoples’ ability to participate in their government. The people suck and so does their democracy. No surprise.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    wait i don’t understand why you would swear on something where even the scholars of that field don’t even agree that the book is inerrant or for that matter infallible.

    i think america needs a new ideology or an assimilation with technology? i however do not have the capacity to provide either. all i can say is if i benefitted you by asking you to deconstruct the system you live in and explore other systems then please pass the message.

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    A new ideology based on a Constitution. If you don’t have a country based on rule of law then you have an undesirable country. Yes they don’t agree on the particulars of the Constitution which is why it’s a deeply flawed document, but law is what our leaders must uphold. If there is a problem (and there is), then it is with the document itself, not with the idea of having a constitution.

    And I don’t know what you mean by an assimilation with technology. What, specifically, does that mean?

    And yeah sometimes I think a parliamentary system is more effective. Ultimately I think our problem lies in our sub-par populous. There’s no fixing a democracy in a nation of selfish, foolish people.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    your last sentence is a quote for the ages that describes the oppressed human being by its carnal self.

    what are the prominent means of government in the world today?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    What do you mean?

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  • JohnWilkesPoop

    I gotta go to bed man. Good chatting though, take care.

  • Bruce Wayne

    Did you not see Paul’s career at Wake Forest, or with the former New Orleans Hornets, even before the Clippers? You need to do research before making crazy statements like CP3 isn’t a franchise changing pg

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i seen the hornets and i first say paul either in slam or at the jordan capitol classic ballin with bron, ndui ebi, and i think villanueva was at that game too

  • Conor

    * “… Hill)”

  • Conor

    Their offence is extremely potent and equipped for D’Antoni’s system. With their regulars in play (Nash, Young, an improved Wes Johnson, a healthy Kaman, a healthy Gasol, Farmar, an early MIP-candidate Xavier Henry, Blake, Williams, and a healthy Jordan Hill have all shown that they are capable of playing good minutes against both Golden State and Utah (two teams they struggled with last season, whose starters played heavy minutes during their exhibitions while the Lakers were balanced and often ended games – entire quarters – with their third-string preseason practice roster on the court yet remained competitive).

    He will need to give Farmar, Johnson, and Hill more minutes for them to succeed while reducing Blake’s and Meeks’. I believe Hill or Johnson should start at PF instead of Kaman, who would best be suited to spell Gasol while limiting their shared playing time to end-of-quarter/game, halfcourt scenarios.

  • Cortez Mack

    I am actually surprised that you continue to get caught up in this nonsense. It is akin to arguing with the insane guy wearing a sandwich board on the street corner.

  • LakeShow

    Heh, hilarious…

    try to add to conversations not take away from them if possible.

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