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Wednesday, November 13th, 2013 at 2:00 pm  |  54 responses

Knicks and Nuggets Reportedly Discussing Iman Shumpert-Kenneth Faried Trade


Kenneth Faried’s name has been in trade rumors early on this season, and according to the NY Daily News, the Knicks and Denver Nuggets are discussing a trade involving Faried and Iman Shumpert: “According to a league source, no deal is imminent although the struggling Knicks feel they need to make a move to bolster their banged up front court. Tyson Chandler is out at least one month after breaking his leg last week while both Amar’e Stoudemire and Kenyon Martin have been placed on a minute’s restriction because if their health. Shumpert, a former first pick, has fallen out of favor with both head coach Mike Woodson and owner James Dolan. And with J.R. Smith promoted to the starting lineup at shooting guard for Wednesday’s game against the Atlanta Hawks, Shumpert will likely lose his starting spot once Chandler returns. Faried, a native of Newark, N.J., is an undersized power forward but his work rate makes him one of the NBA’s top rebounders.”

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  • D

    Bet they wish they had Diogu now ?? lol , oh well the Smith family is happy

  • spit hot fiyah

    diogu was nice coming out of college, but could never stick in the nba. he would make zero difference for the knicks at this point

  • Jay Cutler

    Faried for Shumpert? How is that a fair trade? Faried is a terrific Birdman type energy player. Shump is a poor man’s Bledsoe in a position that’s stacked with talent.

  • D

    I’d take any big over Bargnani , and without Tyson they’re screwed at the big and spending money on a player that shouldn’t even be in the d league makes no sense

  • Saleem Rainman

    why?

  • retrobat

    If this is true, I don’t get it at all. Makes no sense for Denver. Faried is a potential 20-10 guy. Shumpert is a potential…8-3 guy? Denver is already missing their former GM. Gone are the days of making good trades and acquisitions.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, Faried is not that good, he really only rebounds. He’s atrocious on defense, and a specialist on offense. Shumpert on the other hand is on his way to being one of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the league. This trade just makes no damn sense for New York.

  • thebossman15

    How could shumpert be a potential 8-3 guy when hes currently a 9 and 5 guy? your logic makes no sense, you think faried will go from 11 and 8 to 20-10 but shumpert will regress lol..shumpert is a lock down defender and has shown improvement since hes been in the league and could potentially be a poor man’s iguodala if his playmaking ability improves steadily(he could be a 15-5-5 lockdown defender is what im saying) but of course thats best case scenario..as for faried hes just shown that he can run the floor and rebound the ball and has a high motor..i dont know how the hell you got the evaluation of 20-10 when the dude doesnt have a post move to his name and hasnt shown offensive improvement, at best he will be a 15-12 ish guy unless he improves offensively

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if Kenneth Faried ever averages 20-10 i will eat a pair of Nike’s.

  • O

    I swear being a Knicks fan is right up there with being a Mets fan. Constant disappointment…

  • retrobat

    Look, I’m really not against Shump and I didn’t look up his stats. I agree that he is a good defender but this trade really seems to be lopsided IMO. I just don’t think a poor man’s Iguodala is better than Faried’s potential.

  • retrobat

    Eh, look maybe he’s not a 20-10 guy, but let me ask you this NBK…do you make this trade if you’re Denver?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if i’m Denver? in a heartbeat.

  • thebossman15

    why not, shumpert has higher market value and more potential, and if you look at denvers situation, they have lots of guards/forwards injured and could use a perimeter player so it makes sense

  • retrobat

    Well, I’ve been coming to this site for long time and respect your opinion. You clearly watch A LOT of ball and know your stuff. If I was the GM and you told me to trade for Shump, I would. I’d be asking for a good reason, but I would. Also, if Faried ever turns into a 20-10 guy, can it be a pair of Hyperdunks you eat?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah hyperdunks are fine. you want me to break down why this trade makes sense for Denver and not New York in detail for you?

  • retrobat

    Well if you have the time, I am admittedly, curious.

  • thenonegowithme

    How about bargs expiring contract and Jr smith and Raymond felto for dre and faried and quincy miller

  • Castrovi

    Lmao!!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ok first, I’ll go over Denver’s side of this, (i’ll do it in Bullets to save myself and yourself time)

    - Denver’s starting lineup today,
    – Lawson
    – Foye (!!!!!!)
    – Hamilton (Chandler) (Gallinari)
    – Faried (Hickson)
    – McGee (Randolph) (Koufos)

    — now, only one of those positions needs to immediately be shored up. — and there is one glaring weakness on that roster in terms of an area of focus (perimeter defense) that severely needs to be addressed. So adding Shumpert, a presumably improving player who is a top flight defender and athlete makes at least “basic” sense. Whether you feel Shumpert will be better than Faried long term is more opinion and guesswork then anything.

    - Denver also has a log jam and redundant set of bigs who all share the same strengths and weaknesses. If you can get rid of one of them to fix a problem somewhere else, I definitely see the benefit.

    _________________________________________________

    New York Knicks on the other hand

    – Felton / Prigioni
    – Smith / Shumpert / Hardaway Jr. / Chris Smith (<– shouldn't be an NBA player)
    – Melo / MWP
    – Bargnani / Stoudemire / K-Mart
    – Chandler / Aldrich

    - So what they would be doing is taking one of the two SG's on the roster who should actually be playing NBA basketball, and adding a PF who has basically the same set of strengths as the guy who just complained about playing time this morning (Martin) – albeit Faried is a better player.
    .
    — With that being said, Faried has a great contract that doesn't expire until Amar'e's, so the risk of overpaying him doesn't become a problem until you are done overpaying someone else. So that IS a positive.

    ——- And then there is the issue of keeping Melo happy long enough to not lose him this summer. — by adding Faried you are taking away the one thing New York has that makes it so Anthony can thrive ….. the ability to space the floor and let him play both forward positions at the same time. Making offense and defense harder on Melo specifically in the process.

    — idk about you, but i wouldn't do anything that makes my star player's job that much more difficult.

  • shawnkemp4prez

    Knicks/Nuggets BFF

  • Ben Ireland

    I like Faried, I’m absolutely saving this in my pics, and hoping Faried reaches his potential. And someone should tweet it to him, maybe he’ll use it as motivation haha.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, tell him i get to use hot sauce tho

  • Ben Ireland

    Ah now it all makes sense… Maybe we can market this to a hot sauce brand, saying it’ll make anything taste good, and watching you try and smile with a mouth full of Hyperdunk.
    I’ve done it… I’ve finally had my million dollar idea…

  • Above_You

    I hope this whole sh!t falls through. I like Shump. The Knicks have zero perimeter defenders on their team, and they’re trying to get rid of the one guy who actually makes an effort smh.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    YES!

  • retrobat

    Thanks for taking the time to break it all down. LOL at Foye(!!!!). It’s tricky tho’. Denver could use a defensive stalwart at the 2/3 for sure. As ridiculous as this sounds (and it is ridiculous) NYC would almost be better served putting Faried at Center, Melo at PF and Bargarnargarangarini at SF so that he could just sit on the 3 point line a brick it all day. It would at least put 2 very capable rebounders under the basket, although undersized. Mind you, this is all while Tyson Chandler is currently out. I’m not so sure the Melo/Faried combo wouldn’t work, but it’s been clear that Melo has been doing well as the interim PF.

  • bball knowledge

    The Knicks need offensive rebounding more than they need defense because with Chandler and Faried they can get some boards and control the glass and the Knicks are not a defensive team anyways like the Bulls or Pacers so it makes sense to me to get the trade done.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk when offensive rebounding became so important.

    2012-13 Miami Heat – 28th in Offensive Rebounding
    2011-12 Miami Heat – 24th in Offensive Rebounding
    2010-11 Dallas Mavs – 28th in Offensive Rebounding

    hmmmmmmmmmm…………

  • bball knowledge

    The Knicks are not contenders and are definitely not winning a championship this year anyways so that argument is logically flawed.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    WHAT IS THE GOAL THEN? you want to build a team that never wins….by all means, offensive rebound it up.
    .
    and then quit calling New York the mecca of basketball. because if you aren’t after a championship in the biggest market in the country, then there is really no point in caring about your team.

  • Jake

    LA is the mecca of basketball. Every time someone refers to New York as the Mecca of basketball it just makes me think they don’t know very much about the sport. 20 years ago, that may have been arguable, but not now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if you really had to define the (mecca) beginning and most holy place for basketball, you’d probably say Massachusetts considering that’s where the first game was ever played, and is home of the Celtics ….

  • Jake

    That’s a good point. I’m ashamed it slipped my mind since I’m from an hour north of Boston. I’d say you’re more on point with that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nbd, it’s hard to say either way. Indiana is said to be “the mecca” by many because the basketball culture out there is unreal. it’s like a religion in many places.
    .
    some people argue that it’s Chicago or it’s becoming Chicago. i don’t think there is really a right answer. i just don’t like New Yorkers acting like New York is where basketball is at it’s best when they are freaking ok with their team just making the playoffs. That sh*t is shameful.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would be open to the (Melo/Faried) experiment if NYK was in a position to experiment. But they aren’t. They are in a position where they need to compete soon, or else they will have to start over from scratch.

  • bball knowledge

    Basketball management in real life is more complicated than NBA2k14 where you can stack up your teams and sign anybody you want or whatever….in real life it works a bit different you have something called a salary cap and you have to build your team which takes quite a long time etc…

    You make it sound so easy to build contenders, not every team can have LeBron go on national TV and proclaim he is taking his talents to South Beach or have owners in the Brooklyn Nets that have unlimited resources or Los Angeles where superstars want to play for the Lakers…some teams like Indiana (Paul George) and OKC (Kevin Durant) use the draft and have made themselves contenders.

    Lets be realistic here…some teams are more fortunate than others.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    …….. i’m arguing that you have to put yourself in a position to compete. if that means making your team more attractive to potential free agents, then that’s what you need to do.
    .
    considering Melo is a potential free agent, and is already on the Knicks, making the situation more unappealing to even him? is a bad, bad, bad idea.
    .
    it’s not simple to build a contender. but it is simple not to shoot yourself in the foot. this trade? would be a shot, right to the foot.

  • Jake

    Faried is the living embodiment of what an energy guy is. He doesn’t have the potential to be a 20-10 guy, given the fact that he doesn’t possess a consistent jump shot, post moves or dribbling skills. He’s 6’8”, and his motor goes 100% power all the time. Name one big man that played like Faried and didn’t burn out after 5 years.

    Shumpert is a solid shooting guard who is only getting better. Defense can’t be taught. He’ll get to the point where he’s averaging 16 a night. It might take 2-3 years but his ceiling is much higher. Kenneth Faried=more athletic version of Jason Maxiell.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Well Denver turned down the trade because NY didn’t have draft considerations to offer.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Indiana loves us some basketball. As long as it’s fundamentals!!

    nonna dat street ball mumbo jumbo these kids are playing these days. Seriously though, dribbling the ball between your legs got you yelled at growing up.

  • Jake

    I can vouche for that. In High School I got benched for throwing an around the back pass when it totally made sense. It didn’t even matter that the pass was completed and led to an assist. The coach said ” this isn’t the And 1 tour, cut that sh*t out.”

  • Guest

    what are you talking about? this isn’t the 50s. most of indiana best players are from naptown or gary and they are black played on the street. most white kids in indiana that love steve aalfords and bobby knights arent even good. the greg odens and trey lyles would be lynched in booneville kkk. only larry bird came from indiana name some other great white players

  • Ben

    The Nuggets wouldn’t be smart to pull the trigger on this trade. I’m pretty sure I know why they would trade Faried for Shumpert this season though. Find out my reason at my new blog: http://rankingbasketballcentral.blogspot.com

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    shawn kemp

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  • melvo

    The United States is the mecca of basketball. USA! USA! USA!

  • Guest

    Give it time. Once Africa, Russia, and China get more time it’s the globe will be the Mecca of Basketball. And people on Moon on space stations will have to catch up. Why do people use the word Mecca to describe most popular place for basketball?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Thank you.

  • Guest

    thank you for what?

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  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    From Indy down it’s a little more old school traditionalists when it comes to basketball. I’m fully aware of where most of the talent has come from.

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