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Tuesday, November 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  100 responses

Post Up: Rip City Rolls

With Monday’s win over Melo & Co., the Blazers haven’t lost in three weeks.

by Leo Sepkowitz | @LSepkowitzSLAM

Monday night saw the Blazers stay hot, the Pacers shut down the T-Wolves and the Spurs continue to dominate.

Knicks 91, Blazers 102

Don’t let the score fool you—the Knicks were never going to win this game. They got outscored 34-18 in the opening period, and scored just four points in the following six minutes.

The Blazers core was up to its old tricks to help Portland advance to 13-2. Damian Lillard (23 and 6), Nic Batum (23, 7 and 6), LaMarcus Aldridge (18 and 14) and Wes Matthews (17 and 6) have been incredible this season.

Meanwhile, the Knicks got 34 points and 15 boards from Carmelo Anthony but not enough from the supporting cast. Andrea Bargnani scored 16, Amar’e Stoudmire and Kenyon Martin scored 10 and Beno Udrih added 13 and 5. The problem is that those are reasonable expectations for all of those guys—the team is just a player short. Iman Shumpert seemed like a candidate to be that guy, but hasn’t shown a pulse on offense this season and went scoreless in 23 minutes last night.

Timberwolves 84, Pacers 98

Indy made a really good T-Wolves squad look mundane on Monday. The Pacers led at the end of each quarter, and put things away in the fourth by holding Minnesota to zero points in the first 4:30 of the final period.

Paul George, fresh off of being featured on the cover of SLAM 174, dropped 26 with 8 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals and 4 treys. George Hill was just as sharp, adding 26 of his own with 7 assists, 5 steals and 3 threes. Lance Stephenson added 11 points and 8 rebounds.

Minnesota got double-doubles from Kevin Love (20 & 17) and Nikola Pekovic (18 & 11), but shot sub-33 percent from the floor. Love (6/20), Corey Brewer (3/12), Kevin Martin (4/14) and JJ Barea (3/11) all had rough shooting nights. Ricky Rubio (3/9) wasn’t great either, though he did post 9 rebounds, 7 assists and 5 steals. Still, his 34.5 percent shooting this season is a pretty legitimate concern for a team that has an outside shot at contending for a title.

Celtics 96, Bobcats 86

The Cs opened up the fourth quarter with a 9-0 run and never looked back last night.

Jordan Crawford led the way for Boston with 21 points. He hit 5/11 shots (4 threes) and 7/7 from the stripe, and has given Boston really solid minutes at guard this season. Gerald Wallace came off the bench for a season-high 17 points. Brandon Bass knocked down 7/10 shots for 16 points to go with his 5 boards.

Charlotte got a big night from Kemba Walker: 28 points (11/17), 5 assists and 6 rebounds. Gerald Henderson kicked in 20, and Al Jefferson scored 14 points but managed just 3 rebounds.

Bucks 94, Pistons 113

Milwaukee looks a lot like the East’s version of the Jazz. They have a couple of front court pieces in place in Larry Sanders (injured) and John Henson and maybe Giannis Antetokounmpo, but not a whole lot else. Brandon Knight has played inconceivably horribly since coming over from Detroit (20 percent overall, 5 turnovers per game in limited action), OJ Mayo is shooting 41 percent and Nate Wolters is third on the team in minutes.

Last night, they got smoked by a mediocre Pistons team in the first half (65-34 at the break) and never bounced back.

Each Pistons starter was in double-figures, and Brandon Jennings handed out 13 dimes. Rodney Stuckey (17) and Charlie Villanueva (12) had solid nights off the bench in the blowout.

Some stat lines for the Bucks include: OJ Mayo (1/4, 25 minutes), Brandon Knight (2/7, 21 minutes), Ersan Ilyasova (1/3, 16 minutes), Zaza Pachulia (1 rebound, 17 minutes), Caron Butler (2/7, 27 minutes). This team is brutal, but at least we can all enjoy the Greek Freak’s solid night: 6 points, 4 boards and a +17 mark in 12 minutes.

Suns 92, Heat 107

Phoenix hung with the defending champs for a while last night, trailing by just seven as the fourth quarter began, but ran out of gas late.

LeBron dominated to the tune of 35 points (11/14 overall, 11/11 FTs), 5 boards and 4 assists. Dwyane Wade was huge too, double-doubling with 21 points (9/13) and 12 dimes. Ray Allen knocked down 3 threes on his way to 17 points.

Channing Frye was Phoenix’s high-man with 16 points. He hit 4 triples and grabbed 8 boards in the loss. Goran Dragic narrowly missed a triple-double with 14 points, 9 assists and 8 boards in 39 minutes.

Rockets 93, Grizzlies 86

Memphis looked ready to grind out a win without Marc Gasol last night, but then allowed Houston to explode for 38 points in the fourth quarter.

Even without James Harden, the Rockets essentially couldn’t be stopped in the fourth. It was a balanced effort, as Chandler Parsons finished with 17 points on 8/9 shooting, Omri Casspi scored 16, Dwight Howard added 15, Jeremy Lin dropped 14 and Terrence Jones managed double-digit points for the fifth straight game.

The Grizz looked good for a while before falling apart defensively. Still, the offensive attack is pretty lame without Gasol. Tayshaun Prince led the team with 16 points, Mike Conley shot just 2/14 (with 10 assists) and Z-Bo was held to 13 and 6. Tony Allen (15 points, 6 steals) and Kosta Koufos (13 rebounds, including 7 on the offensive glass) stepped up, but still, this team looks bad without its best player.

Pelicans 93, Spurs 112

Anybody wanna guess what the Spurs record is this season at home? How about overall? If you guessed a perfect 7-0 in San Antonio and a nearly-as-pretty 13-1 in ’13-14, you’d be right! (Sorry, no prizes.)

Last night, they simply rolled over another team with really efficient basketball. Only two players took 10 or more shots: Boris Diaw and Patty Mills. How many other teams can win by 20 with their 8th- and 9th-best guys taking the most shots?

Manu Ginobili (6/7, 16 points), Marco Belinelli (5/7, 14 points), Tony Parker (5/8, 14 & 7), Kawhi Leonard (7 & 11), Tim Duncan (4/8, 10 points) and Tiago Splitter (5/6, 11 & 6) were all solid. The Spurs hit nearly 55 percent of its shots overall and 10/25 from deep.

Meanwhile, the Pelicans struggled offensively and had a three-game win streak snapped. NOLA shot just 38 percent from the field and 2/15 from beyond the arc. Nobody really got it going except for Ryan Anderson, who needed 15 shots to score 17 points. Anthony Davis had an off night with 10 points, 6 boards and 4 blocks (his D seemingly never slumps), Jrue Holiday made only 6/17 attempts (but tallied 9 boards and 7 dimes) and Tyreke Evans shot only 5/14 (with 9 boards).

Nuggets 110, Mavericks 96

The Nuggets are now 7-6 after a 1-4 start to the season. A handful of guys stepped up last night, including JJ Hickson (22 and 8), Ty Lawson (19 and 11) and Nate Robinson (17). It’s easy to what the formula is here—balanced scoring, good ball movement and strong rebounding to get the transition offense moving. On Monday night, Denver managed more assists, rebounds and fast break points than the Mavs.

Dallas’ defense pretty much takes them out of games in which the offense doesn’t catch fire. Last night, the O was solid—18 from Dirk, 22 from Monta Ellis and 13 and 12 from Shawn Marion, but it still wasn’t enough. On the bright side, DeJaun Blair started over Sam Dalembert, and responded with 10 points and 8 boards in 19 minutes. He may be due for a bigger role going forward.

Bulls 83, Jazz 89 (OT)

Bad, bad news for the Bulls. They opened up the post-Rose Era 2.0 with a blowout loss to the Clippers on Sunday, and dropped a game to the League’s worst squad last night.

Chicago had just 56 points through three quarters, but managed to erase an eight-point deficit and force overtime. Unfortunately, it took them more than three and a half minutes to score in OT.

Utah got at least 10 points from each starter, led by Marvin Williams’ 17 and 9 boards. Gordon Hayward double-doubled with 15 points and 12 assists, and kicked in 6 rebounds and a steal.

The Bulls had big performances from two guys: Luol Deng (24 points, 10 boards) and Carlos Boozer (26 and 16). Joakim Noah also double-doubled with 10 points and 13 rebounds, but nobody else showed up.

Kirk Hinrich incredibly managed 1 point in 36 minutes, and Mike Dunleavy was just as bad, making one shot in 36 minutes. The Bulls made 1/13 threes, and, needless to say, are in major trouble this season.

They’re far less prepared for Rose’s injury than they were last season, when they at least had Nate Robinson and Marco Belinelli to shoulder some of the ball-handling load. The Dunleavy signing was a bad one, and there’s essentially no depth at guard behind him. It’s foolish to overreact to two games, but this might not be a Playoff team, even in the pathetic East.

Bonus: Vintage Show Of The Day

This season, I’ll be posting a semi-random highlight video of a former baller at the bottom of my Post Ups. Today, the honor goes to one of the great Big Threes of the ’90s: Run TMC. Enjoy this NB90′s segment on the Golden State trio.

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  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Too early to say if the Blazers are legit but thats a good team

  • Fan of the game

    LeBron is playing really well however he said himself that he is still rounding into form. From watching him so far this season he needs to improve his rebounding (albeit never that great over his career, especially at boxing out perimeter players) and limit turnovers. It would also be good to see him post up on both sides of the block and not just the left-side. His free-throw shooting is on the rise (will it remain so? – I don’t think so, watching LeBron from day one, free-throws are something he has not been able to master). But man his three point shooting has been phenomenal (his belief/confidence and consistency has been the key through observations).

  • Fan of the game

    Blazers are definitely nice. Always appreciated Lamarcus especially. I also hope Damian continues to improve and become a top tier point guard.

  • Fan of the game

    Also, can’t knock the hustle of Carmelo. He is boarding (10 plus a game is nice, his field goal % not so much). Knicks just off as a unit right now.

  • Fan of the game

    One thing that is legit is the on-ball defence of Paul George. One of the best I’ve ever seen. His offensive game is nice too and still improving but not on that T-Mac level yet or even prime VC (gets so slept on, skills were ridiculous). I think he can get there though, hopefully sooner than later.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    The playoffs will determine PG’s game.

  • Fan of the game

    Most definitely, that’s where it’s at.

  • Enigmatic

    With Rose done for the season, I’m kind of on team tank this year. Not looking forward to another season of getting a bottom playoff seed and losing in one of the first two rounds again. Would rather not make the playoffs and get a lottery pick in loaded draft. Bulls off to good start in that sense, losing to the Jazz. Best case scenario (in my opinion) – Bulls get two lottery picks. One their own, one from Charlotte (if it falls between 10-14).

  • i_ball

    The Wolves led at one point in the 3rd 65-64. Indiana took a timeout and after that the Wolves made a total of 6 or 7 for the what was left of the 3rd and the whole 4th.
    I am really impressed with Indiana’s defense. It’s not like Minnesota are an elite team but they have a good offense and the Pacers just shut them down for 16 minutes.

  • Fan of the game

    It would be cool if your Bulls could draft Jabari, the new star from Simeon to replace the fallen old one (But I still hope Derrick can get back to all star calibre one day – just so unique as a ballplayer).

  • Enigmatic

    Would definitely be cool but I doubt the Bulls could get that high a draft pick cause they’re too proud and stubborn to lose that many games lol.

  • Fan of the game

    Love and appreciate good NBA defense, both elite individual and team defense. Definitely love the fact that a young superstar (Paul George) takes defense so seriously. Similarly, appreciate Bledsoe, Davis and Drummond for their defensive skills as young ballers.

  • Caboose

    So Derrick Williams is now on the Kings. Is he gonna take Salmons’ starting spot? Cause he should.

  • Caboose

    I hate when your team gets stubborn and still tries to win games when they REALLY shouldn’t be…thankfully the Magic aren’t nearly as good as the Bulls.

  • Fan of the game

    Haha. No doubt

  • Fan of the game

    Oladipo is going to be nice though, at least I hope he will be. Pretty raw but can be a terror on D, particularly off-ball for deflections and steals.

  • Caboose

    He’s gonna be REALLY good. He’s a coiled spring of athleticism and he’s fearless on both ends of the floor.

    I REALLY REALLY want the Magic to get the 5th isn pick so they can get Exum. I’m really high on that kid.

  • Caboose

    Definitely a Playoff squad, could scare a contender in the first round and maybe even upset them. If I had to guess.

  • Fan of the game

    Exum representing my country. Real quick handles for his height. I hope he succeeds at the NBA level. Him and Oladipo would be a cool backcourt for sure.

  • pposse

    tanking is such a broken philosphy. Lets lose big to win big later.. ONLY in the USA is this even an option. Anyone in favor of tanking is all about league contraction which is horrible for the leauge, entitles the players more and alienates nba fan bases. Get off that tanking wagon, its wack!

  • Enigmatic

    Thankfully, we have a bit of a backup plan with the Bobcats pick. But they have to get the 11th pick or lower for it to go to us.

  • Caboose

    The Magic could potentially have the best 1-3 defenders in the L in a couple years with Exum, Dipo, and Harkless….

  • Enigmatic

    No thanks, I’m good.

  • Caboose

    You’ll probably get it…but the Cats may nab a Playoff spot…

  • pposse

    no your not, you are in belief of a broken philosophy!

  • Enigmatic

    With such a deep draft, might be better for the Bulls to nab their pick this year than any other, save for maybe in 2016 when it’s unprotected. But I suspect they will be even better by then.

  • Enigmatic

    Most people in the world are in belief of several broken philosophies. One related to something as trivial as pro sports wouldn’t be such a big deal.

  • Caboose

    Very true. A 20th pick this year is a top 10 pick in the average draft. And like a top 5 from this year.

    Makes me happy that the Magic get their own crappy pick and the lower of Knicks and Nuggets. So exciting….

  • Caboose

    Why is it a “broken philosophy”? What exactly does that mean?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Hasn’t Mbah AMoute been starting? Williams will replace him at SF

  • Caboose

    Luc’s minutes had been yo-yoing, I think the Kings were just starting him in an attempt to boost his trade value. Derrick will finally get a chance to shine in the chaos that is the Kings.

  • pposse

    good for you admit it, thats stage 1 i will continue to monitor your realization and recovery

  • Fan of the game

    Do you mean each player would be the number 1 best defender at their position or overall/as a whole they would equal the best 1-3 defenders? I can see Oladipo getting there, I’m not sure about the other 2 players becoming the best at their positions.

  • Enigmatic

    Yup. Every team with multiple first round picks this year are in for a treat.

  • Enigmatic

    Is this the anti Kübler-Ross Model? Will Denial be the final stage?

  • pposse

    whats the point of tanking? to win? how many teams were successful in that in recent history.

    Yall should be ashamed to sit around and tank for 1-5 guys out of a total pool of 500 or so professional bball players.

  • Caboose

    Caboose’s dream:
    -Nuggets barely miss the Playoffs, the Magic continue on their skid
    -Lottery goes as expected and Magic get two picks, one around #5, one around #13
    -Magic draft Dante Exum and Noah Vonleh, start Exum, Dipo, Harkless, Vonleh, Vucevic
    -Magic make Playoffs year after year….

  • Caboose

    Why is that “shameful?”

  • Enigmatic

    Right, because the difference between a Jabari Parker and a Joseph Bertrand is so insignificant.

  • pposse

    the final stage will be when you inform the world that tanking and Tom Thibodeu doesnt mix and that tanking was never an option if we want to keep our coach and have our team play with their heads held high.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i say put him next to cousins and let him be the four. that is were he seems to be at his best. the further away from the hoop the less effective

  • Caboose

    Yeah, that could definitely be true. His first step isn’t as fast as we thought in college, meaning he’s got difficulty blowing by defenders who give him all kinds of space.

  • pposse

    are you serious? You basically think that it is okay for grown men to sh*t on the game they love. No more talking to you. A philly sixer player said it best – “our team takes it as an insult if people think we are tanking”

  • pposse

    let the dominos falls as they may, don’t try to force a hand. If thats the case, then like i said you might as well write the league letters and tell them to contract the league so that every team in the league has multiple superstar players..i mean thats the road you are sliding down. Thats cool, teams and fan bases like OKC really shouldn’t exist is what your implying,

  • Caboose

    But you never made a positive claim, pposse. First, you would need to define shameful, then how tanking contributes to that. Why is tanking “sh!tting on the game they love”? If so, why is that shameful if it is ultimately for a benefit?

    I don’t know the answer, but you sure seem to.

  • Enigmatic

    Tanking and Thibs obviously don’t mix. The man will not tank. But management could make some moves to put us in a better position in this upcoming draft.
    Might even get a high enough pick to have a lottery selection who will then proceed to play 8 minutes a game while Thibs plays Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah 40 per!

  • spit hot fiyah

    he was shooting lights out in college too, that hasn’t happened consistently in the league. i still believe in him though, he had a really nice stretch last year when love was out. but it’s not a good sign when robbie hummel is taking your minutes

  • Caboose

    He’ll have all kinds of freedom on the Kings, maybe that’s what he’s always needed.

  • Enigmatic

    I like Vonleh but I don’t think he’d be ready to start in year one. Once he is though, potential double-double machine (or maybe not playing next to current double-double machine Vucevic).

  • pposse

    no caboose i dont need not do anything you tell me. How is that you are defining parameters? Since when did the pupil become the teacher?

    But okay, Shame is foolish behaviour. Its foolish to think that one player in one draft will be the savior of your team (especially if the guy is Exume)

  • Caboose

    If Vonleh can develop into a Lamar Odom type, he could be deadly. And he could always learn from Hedo, the L’s authority on forwards who run the offense (sans LeBron).

    Regardless, Nicholson is a solid option and if those two develop together, the Magic could get scary real quick.

  • Caboose

    I never claimed to be the teacher, I just want to know why tanking is so bad. You purport to be the expert on the morality of tanking, I just want your wisdom.

    Shame is foolish behavior? So when I put on a super goofy and foolish Halloween costume and go Trick-or-Treating with my cousins, I should be ashamed of it?

  • pposse

    yo c’mon man stop this. 13 games into the season and we are talking about tanking?! I whole heartedly disagree. You even have people on this site every once in a while call out the Spurs organization for tanking for Duncan. That stigma will never leave no matter what. A team with three potential all stars (not including d rose) should not be tanking

  • Caboose

    One of those is injured, one of them will be traded, and the other isn’t playing like an All Star.

  • pposse

    no you shouldn’t be ashamed of going out one night on halloween. But if you decide to wear that same costume and go out on all souls day the next day and the day after that and say tonight or a random night in June then yeah you probably will feel ashamed at some point in the night dont you think?

    I don’t understand how coaches can tell their players to not play, i dont understand how players with high character can be good with not trying to win every night. I know i would be insulted if someone told me to purposefully lose, i’m assuming any competitor would feel the same way.

  • Caboose

    I mean that as a whole, no other team could defend the 1-3 better than the Magic. Potentially. Dipo is well on his way and Harkless is getting better every game.

    I doubt Exum or Harkless could be the best defenders at their positions (Conley/Paul and Iggy/Bron aren’t going anywhere), but as a unit, they could be scary.

  • pposse

    well then blow up the team and start from scratch. Trade Deng and try and trade Boozer. Honestly right now the team isn’t tanking but just losing. Purposefully/tanking is unacceptable imo. Your telling the players that they can’t cut. That might work with low character guys but not with guys that work their tails off.

  • Caboose

    So then we must amend our definition of shame then, correct? Would it be right to say that shame is repeatedly foolish behavior?

    Is shame entirely personal though? You mention that “(I) will feel ashamed,” but is it restricted to me? Could other people be ashamed of me? Or is that a completely different feeling with different triggers?

    Tanking is not necessarily telling players not to play, is it? Could it just simply be the playing of developing players instead of proven ones? In this case, is it still tanking? Or could it be seen as planning for the future? Is there a line?

  • Caboose

    I don’t believe I’ve told players to do anything.

  • Harvey

    I think what he is trying to say is that it is unethical to tank. Basically, trying to lose a game (think point shaving incidents) equates to tanking to some degree. Mike Kryzewski said the other day he is very against it; calling it “Un-American.” Take what you want from that…

  • Caboose

    But then what exactly is tanking? Players legitimately holding themselves back? Certainly, there is something unethical about that, right? But what if it is not on the players or the coach, and simply the composition and focus of the team? Is that different? For example, are the Magic tanking, or developing their talent? Or both?

  • jakedock

    bulls are way too good in the east to tank. They would have to trade or just bench three of four of their players. They will make they playoffs in the east no doubt. You can be under .500 in the east and get in.

  • pposse

    i dont think there is a line. Repeatedly foolish behavior would be not putting out your best roster on a nightly basis, and personally yes i think as a fan i would be ashamed of my team and i know the players would be pissed/salty/ashamed all at the same time.

    Think about the psyche of the developing player when they find out/know that they are only playing because the coach doesn’t want them to win. I would feel slighted.

    For example, one time when i was a freshmen on the jv volleyball team the starting hitter on my squad threw a temper tantrum with the coach. The coach got pissed and put me in the game. All good right, my first action i seen since the season started? No. The other team needed to score like 2 pts before the match was over. I was pissed at the coach and the guy i subbed out. In fact we nearly got to fighting over that. And i told the coach straight up that i wasn’t gonna keep playing for you if your gonna use me to teach this other kid a lesson. That got me so mad, the next yr i didn’t bother goin to tryouts.

    I thought tanking was illegal and that was the line apparently not though.

  • jakedock

    bulls are way to good to tank. They would have to trade away three or four players to even get to the point of being as bad as the bucks are. the bucks are 2-11, and really should be 1-12 if it were not for the boston game where they came back from 20 down to start the 4th. In the east you will make the playoffs with a .480 record. The bulls are not going to be a 12-15 win team, which is what you are going to need to get a top lottery spot.

  • Caboose

    True, but rumor is that Deng is on the way out for young talent or draft picks. Losing Deng could put a dent in Playoff chances.

    Imagine if the Spurs moved their next 2 1st Rounders, Splitter, Green, and Mills for Deng and Teague. Helps both teams.

  • jakedock

    magic are good enough to make the playoffs in this weak year. Esp. when their young rookie guard comes around, plus getting Glen Davis and Tobbias Harris back healthy now. They will be in contention for an 8 spot. I would be shocked to see them have a top ten pick.

  • Fan of the game

    Would love to see that unfold. Size, length, quickness. Orlando have some decent bigs as well. Vucevic is nice. Also really appreciate Tobias Harris. I hope he can continue and build on his play from last season as a Buck.
    And speaking of Milwaukee, what’s going on there? Love Henson, he needs to be freed up more (in terms of playing time). Also, if Milwaukee is going to be this bad, shouldn’t they play Giannis more – that guy has some traits you can’t teach.

  • pposse

    i wouldn’t be opposed to that trade, but man i would sure miss Deng. It would be good to know he might get a chance at a championship.

  • jakedock

    So glad my bucks are bad this year, its been so damn frustrating year after year, we are a .500 team, and snuck into the 8th spot to get swept. So glad we are terrible this year. I hope we get into a top 3 spot into the lottery then after there you let the gods do the work. Looking back at the lottery, though, the way its done now. I believe the team with the actual worse record has only WON the lottery one time. I could be wrong on this but I believe it was the Cavs when they took Lebron. But at this point for the bucks, I would love to get wiggins or parker. Both look like really good nba players, and by far would be the best nba player the bucks would have in a long time in their rookie year. Randle alsolooks like a great player, and might be a 1 pick in most years. However wiggins/parker are something special whomever gets those will be blessed. I just hope they don’t go to a big market like Boston. That is one team where I will be super pissed if they get rewarded right away for throwing away their whole team. It needs to go to a suffering team like the bucks.

  • Caboose

    Would you agree that young players can learn best (or at least very well) through in game experience? In that case, would putting the “best” roster on the floor potentially exclude younger players with potential in the hopes of winning one game?

    In an example, imagine a team with both Andre Drummond and Joakim Noah. Now, Noah will probably help that team win a singular game more than Drummond will, correct? But, by doing so, that team denies Drummond the ability to improve more via being in-game, right? Then, which situations is actually worse for the team?

    If, in the preceding example, Drummond was played over Noah, would that be an example of tanking? If so, why?

  • Harvey

    I have no idea to be honest. This is why they have the lottery balls, so it’s not cut and dry that the team with the worst record always get the number 1 pick.
    What boggles my mind at times, is the seemingly supreme confidence that the media/fans/scouts have with this 2014 class. Are we all certain that this bunch will all be All-Stars, MVPs right off the bat? Will they really change the face of their franchises in a flash?… I’m not entirely sold on every lottery pick. Exum and Jabari are nice though.

  • Caboose

    Honestly, it would probably get the Spurs a title this year. Imagine having Deng and Kawhi on the floor at the same time. That’s some f*cking scary defense there.

  • Caboose

    Coaching. Coaching is the HUGE problem.

  • pposse

    i mean its not that simple. I do agree young players will learn best thru in game experience, but if you put them out there and the plan is to lose then really what type of experience are they gaining? How to lose?

    A team with both Noah and Drummond should be very aware that atleast one of them will request to be traded. In your case, its Noah he would request the trade. Real life example of this is Howard and Asik.

  • Fan of the game

    What do you think of Jahii Carson? A little short but mad talent and game. I’ve been a fan of that guy since his high school days.

  • Caboose

    Mm, but Asik is the same age as Howard. My example focused on potential, correct?

    I would like to say that this form of tanking is what I’m focused on, not on actual players not putting forth their full effort.

  • pposse

    exactly, man the lottery balls shouldn’t be most go to the winner. There should be the same amount of lottery balls for all records that are within 5 games of each other or something. Or hell just give the same amount of lottery balls for all teams in the lottery. Its supposed to be a lottery!

  • pposse

    In your example i think its still tanking. Its also pretty crappy to not allow Noah who is a good player to keep building on his legacy/career.

    I feel like if a team wants to tank, then just hire me or Jason Kidd as the head coach. We both can accomplish the same goal by mismanaging the team. Atleast no one would accuse us of tanking!

  • pposse

    i think you forgot boozer! the guy was beasting in the first 10 games.

  • pposse

    Lebron sure as hell would have to work for all his points. Deng on the spurs would almost be illegal, he would fit right in.

  • Harvey

    He’s promising. But like you said, it’s the height and weight with that guy which may hinder his performance in the NBA. He can score the basketball, and isn’t turnover prone which is good. But I have no idea how he will pan out.

  • Max

    Yo nbk, whatsup with Eric Bledsoe?

  • Max

    And it’s always a boost when your superstar (George) is even taking charges.

  • Harvey

    That would be interesting. If all 30 teams were in the lottery and they all had an equal chance for the number 1 pick.
    If that did occur, not all the same teams I think would select an unanimous selection. Different teams require different needs. This is why front offices need to be smart in who they think would fit.
    Imagine the current champions getting the number 1 pick!

  • 23

    Hes not really close to tmac offensively. I assume we’re talking prime tmac. And that was some of the best in history. Kobe like. I like PG too, especially his effort on the defensive end. But offensively Idk where you get TMac from.

  • Enigmatic

    Wouldn’t one of them have to come off the bench for the other? Or would one slide to SG?

  • i_ball

    Tanking, at least the way I understand it, is not about the players. It’s about management putting together a shitty team that has a high probability of loosing even if they play really hard – see Utah and Philly event though the Sixers are beating the odds so far.

    It’s a business decision. If in one draft you have LeBron, Melo, Wade and Bosh, tanking gives you a good chance of getting one of them specially if you have more than one lottery pick.

  • Caboose

    More like, Deng 3, Kawhi 4, Duncan 5. it would easily counteract the small-ball lineups of some of the most prominent teams in the West (Thunder when Durant slides to the 4, Clippers in general, Blazers when Aldridge plays C, etc) not to mention it’s two defenders to throw at LeBron no matter what position he plays.

  • Enigmatic

    Damn, I like the sound of that. And the Bulls could always use another shooter like Green. Plus, draft picks.

  • Caboose

    The only downside for the Spurs is losing Splitter (Green is replaceable), but with the way Diaw has been playing, it’s not that much of a concern.

  • spit hot fiyah

    some foot or leg injury i think that we haven’t really heard anything about. yeah nbk, what’s up with that?

  • spit hot fiyah

    100% agreed. players don’t tank. front offices do. that’s why a team full of young guys and a few over the hill vets can go out and win 3-4 games in row even though they are not “supposed to” like philly did. these guys are still professionals and competitors and hate to lose. and they don’t even have a guarantee that they will be there next year when the rookie sensation comes in to save the franchise.

    it works most of the time though, since if u deplete the roster of talent they will be bad in the long run. my friend to tell me that the knicks are tanking, i just laughed at him. players try to win, front offices might not necessarily

  • pposse

    yeah but notice how three of those four players you mentioned just teamed up anyways down the line. Sure, it is a business decision i agree with that. But what kind of business are you really running? These players have enough freedome to pick and choose where they go, more than likely that same player you tanked for will go and play somewhere else anyways.

    EDIT: i’d rather build a franchise with sound coaching, gm and players and wait 3 yrs to see what all the fuss is about for these top tier ball players. If say a Lebron, Carmello Wade etc. live up to the billing 3 yrs down the line, you can come in and swoop the player up after their rookie contract is up or trade bc you already have a sound bball team. And a side note, its not like these guys in the draft will make an immediate impact as far as championships go. ONly guys like Wade and Magic are capable of that.

  • LakeShow

    Carmelo is rebounding like crazy with the replacement of Bargs for Tyson Chandler.

    Sitting at 10.2 on the year right now.

  • LakeShow

    Haha, awesome. Truth.

  • i_ball

    I agree that rookie players can’t make an immediate impact as far as championships go, because usually their team sucks. Magic’s Lakers didn’t suck and Wade got Shaq.

    Imagine that Wiggins/Parker were already in the NBA and there was no gamble involved. Would you trade Deng for one of them given the current situation?

  • pposse

    It pains me but i would trade Deng. He’s good, but he doesn’t have that ‘it’ factor. Which sucks i truly do believe he was going to attain it with a healthy Rose, but having Boozer and Deng serving as the two focal pts on the offense doesn’t cut it. I’d take Parker.

    In reality, Carmello Anthony would be perfect for the bulls; hopefully he can see that. Regardless of the Rose situation a front court of Boozer, Noah and Carmello would be ridiculous. And Thibs would hold Melo accountable on the defensive end, and if Rose is ever available he also has enough of a name to hold Melo accountable as well.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s definitely better suited to play the 4. But he’s not a better player than Jason Thompson. And they don’t have any potential to develop outside of him at the 3.

  • Fan of the game

    Agreed. I’ve just heard people use T-Mac comparisons and I don’t see him being there, which is why I stated PG is not on that T-Mac level. PG just not the all-rounder T-Mac was (in terms of averages in pts, rebs, and assists – but better on-ball D). And T-Mac was only 21 when he blew up, PG is 23. Will PG ever get to that level? He has the ceiling I believe but probably not. Situations are different and the NBA game is different now as well.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    spurs wouldnt do that. splitter is too important. what spurs need with a deng? leonard!

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