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Thursday, November 7th, 2013 at 11:10 am  |  59 responses

Roy Hibbert Wants DPOY Award and Says Paul George Will Win MVP


Following Indy’s big 97-80 win over the visiting Chicago Bulls last night, Pacers center Roy Hibbert was feeling himself and his team. Hibbert stated his goal to win the Defensive Player of the Year award, and declared that teammate Paul George would become the NBA’s MVP this season:

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  • shockexchange

    If the Pacers finish with the best record in the East, it will be hard to deny them. In the Shock Exchange’s opinion, they have a chance to accomplish what Jermaine O’Neal (DPOY) and Ron Artest (MVP) should have done in Indiana years ago, but somebody had to get into a fight.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    The team is scary but not that scary.

  • shockexchange

    They are “regular season” scary. When they get into that deep water, expect Paul George to disappear at stretches at a time.

  • i_ball

    LOL MWP MVP?

  • i_ball

    If they win the East it’s really possible. No one playing like the Pacers right now

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Hope not, INDiana payed him to change that.

  • shockexchange

    They paid him because “You can’t play cash.”

  • shockexchange

    He was the best player in the L that season. Put it in your diary i_ball.

  • jessedogg

    If Clippers win a lot of games, Chris Paul will win MVP regardless of whats going on in Miami, Oklahoma or Indiana.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Who are these “people” he speaks of? I don’t think anyone would crucify him for wanting be DPOY. That obviously means you’re helping your team. Never could understand that whole “people hating” or “people act like” it just seems like you’re making imaginary haters.

  • anon

    If you’re referring to the the pistons/pacers fight, that was in early November, wasn’t it? 3 weeks into the season doesn’t seem like enough time to declare anyone MVP.

  • Annie Hall

    Paul George will be awarded the MVP…then at the moment he receives the trophy, he commits a turnover and turns over the award to Kevin Durant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the Malice at the Palace happened on November 19th.
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    preseason top 5 MVP for Artest doesn’t mean he was going to win that award (he really might have, just saying, it’s two weeks into the season, this is quite a leap).

  • shockexchange

    Yeah, but (i) Artest had already solidified himself as the best defensive in the L and (ii) the Pacers were in the running to represent the Eastern Conference in the Finals. Artest was averaging 20+ ppg and was the leader of one of the top teams. He was not only going to win MVP, but league officials were going to make him and his brand of play – defense, team first, unselfishness – the face of the NBA.

  • pposse

    the good and bad thing about Hibbert is that he has played like a complete chump 5 ft and in around the basket on offense..but its been so bad that the only thing that can happen is that he gets better from in there.

  • anon

    Fair enough. But Artest had already had emotional and discipline problems (techs, smashing TVs, etc) by that time and was a headache to Stern already. I seriously doubt the league wanted him to be the face of the NBA. Maybe his style of play, but definitely not him.

  • shockexchange

    He and the commissioner were warming up to one another. Fans and NBA brass had grown tired of the these “me, me, me”, shoot first guy. Artest and the Pacers were making defense, rebounding, passing and team play sexy again – similar to the current Pacers team.

  • Harvey

    In your last sentence, you just described the San Antonio Spurs for the last 16 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the emergence of George (assuming Lakeshow was right, and he can do this all season, which i’m beginning to buy into) and the narrative in Clipperland, with the obvious LeBron is by far the best player in the world problem, and the newly highlighted “value” of Russell Westbrook, i think there is a 0% chance Kevin Durant wins the MVP. There is literally nothing in his favor at this point.

  • danpowers

    not so sure about george and the mvp award but if hibbert stays somewhat healthy he should be a lock for DPOY, that guy is a freakin monster around the rim

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s not even playing 30mpg….it’s going to be hard to even say he’s the most important defender on his team. considering how truly great George is on that end, and the fact that he played 8 more minutes….every single game.

  • greg.daniels

    So true. It sucks though.

  • danpowers

    hibbert will still be portrayed as the pacers anchor and so as the most important defensive piece – regardless wheather he is or not. the fg% of teams against him at the rim, his incredible defensive rating and this seasons shot blocking let him look like a legit candidate. its not fair – i remember us having that conversation last season – but as you stated back then, bigs usally get favored in the dpoy voting.

  • spit hot fiyah

    he was my preseason pick

  • danpowers

    mine too, i feel so smart-a*s-ish now lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you said he should be a lock for DPOY. i wasn’t talking about how the voting goes, i was replying to what you said. lol

  • LakeShow

    Definitely.

    He’s the most important and best defensive anchor in basketball.

  • LakeShow

    You’re kidding right now right?

    Hibbert is more important in 25mpg than PG over 40.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah KD is on the outside looking in on CP, PG, and Bron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh he is? thanks for letting me know.
    .
    holler at me when you figure out how to explain the difference in on/court off/court is 0.2 points per 48 minutes when you compare each guys on/off stats.
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    seems like both have an equal effect on the defense, (2.7 points better per 48 minutes with George, 2.9 points better per 48 minutes with Hibbert)
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    So, in 29 minutes, 2.9 points is more important than 2.7 points in 37 minutes.
    .
    That makes perfect sense.

  • Harvey

    True. I mean, I had KD winning the MVP this year in my preseason predictions (and he might still be in the conversation come April) but with the current emergence of PG and Westbrook proving his importance in that Thunder squad, I now have my doubts that Durant really is the Most Valuable in this league…

  • CKLOH

    One Game VII’s recession after several series if dominant play prior to an offseason which heralded a rather obvious ascension of PG’s game – to its next, MVP level – does not constitute status quo, Ralph. You just don’t like him because his favourite player is another 24.

    Both Indiana & Brooklyn, barring rancid officiating and/or self-induced coaching blunders, have extremely realistic opportunities to defeat Miami in May.

  • danpowers

    ah ok. well, in his case i also mean it that way. so far the ~30mins a game he brings are insane. obviously his bpg will drop a bit and i guess his rpg will go up a bit so his output will certainly change a little during the season. i just remember how he controlled the knicks in the semis and i watched every pacers game so far, leaving me wondering how a single man is able to shut down whole teams in the paint. i mean the pacers paint is really his house – he is just a very impressive presence on d so far. dont you think so, too?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well yeah definitely. but in the regular season he doesn’t have to do all that. that’s why for the last 2 summers his preseason predictions have been unrealistic. people let what happens in the playoffs weigh on their conscience for what he’s going to do in the regular season. he’s a great defensive anchor, probably top 3 in the league, but he’s not really even asked to do that throughout the entire regular season, and surely not for more than 80% of a game. Now if think 4/5ths of a game is all it takes to be the best defender in the league, then we just have differing opinions.

  • LakeShow

    I didn’t say advance stats will point to RH being by far the supreme defensive player, did I?

    No, just common sense would allow one to realize that the Pacers defense is set around the fact they know they have a 7’3″ freak-a-leek in the middle.

    PG is my dude. I think he is better than LeBron, and comparable to Iggy at 1 on 1 defense. BUT, the fact remains that the 7’3″ goon in the middle is still the biggest threat, and most important piece the Pacers have defensively.

    In my researched opinion.

  • danpowers

    i dont really argue what youre saying there, but we all know that if he goes on to somewhat play that way to go with 2+ bpg he will be given more credit for thee pacers success on defense than he probably deserves. still he looks like he is able to carry on his defensive prowess which he was showing in last seasons playoffs, so i guess reputation and his teams good defensive numbers will help him alot in terms of dpoy voting – even though guys like PG, iggy, noah, chandler, howard, who has fallen from media’s grace or lebron, a victim of voting fatigue and whonot are forced to work more/longer throughout games on defense and often have to make up for more of their teammates flaws the perception of hibbert imo will be the one of a very sovereign anchor of one of the leagues or even the leagues best defense. thats why i think he is a lock for this award this season should he stay healthy.

    id pick perimeter guys over bigs most years anyway as they put much more work and energy into the game as bigs – the results just dont show as obviously as bigs collecting many defensive rebounds and blocked shots as a validation of their work. it often takes a basketball purist to credit and even recognize good perimeter defense.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ugh, i never once argued that Hibbert isn’t their best defender. But i argued that he doesn’t play enough minutes to really say he’s “clearly” their most important. Not in the regular season at least.
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    and you thinking people are better than LeBron at things holds absolutely no water. you have to see this sooner or later. i understand how good you think people are, bringing LeBron into this to highlight your point does quite the opposite though, considering LeBron in your opinion has been inferior to someone at everything every year for the last 10 years in your opinion.

  • bike

    I think Roy does have a legit shot at DPOY but George has got to get around that potential GOAT contender in Miami…..

  • Lingo

    I went with the DR/ORs instead of the On/Off numbers you used. Couldn’t find them to be honest :/

    So Hibbert has a DR of 76 while George has a DR of 82 so you would be right in saying it is a marginal difference.

    However, Hibbert’s OR is actually more than George’s! Who would have thought. But noone is saying that he is a better offensive player is he?

    So while stats are nice and all that, but it’s pretty evident that Hibbert is definitely the key defensive piece for the Pacers.

  • Lingo

    And you are actually using Stats on 5 days games?! Seriously?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Like I’ve said. I realize Hibbert is better. He just plays such a smaller % of minutes, it’s arguable as to if he is actually more valuable to the teams overall defense. If you can’t be on the court, you definitely aren’t helping your team. This variable should not he ignored. Which apparently, it is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well, this is as dramatic as the stats are going to look in Hibbert’s favor. He’s playing out of his mind on defense right now, sh*t, the last time any player had a defensive rating under 90 was 2004.
    .
    if the defensive difference for Hibbert right now is marginal…….what would lead anyone to believe that the gap would actually grow?

  • anon

    The craziest thing about your argument is that you 1) didn’t once refer to yourself in the 3rd person and 2) there wasn’t any mention of Lola Falana. Or Pam Grier. You ok today, Shock? ;)

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange has been a bit preoccupied today, thank-you very much.

  • Caboose

    I think the default to win is LeBron. There are a couple of things that could happen to stop that.
    1. Chris Paul puts up anything north of 22-11-5 and the Clips are at least a 55 win team.
    2. Chris Paul puts up anything north of 20-10-4 and the Clips are at least a 60 win team.
    3. Paul George puts up anything north of 28-9-5 and the Pacers are at least a 55 win team.
    4. Paul George puts up anything north of 25-7-4 and the Pacers are at least a 65 win team.
    5. Kevin Durant puts up a ppg total above 35 and the Thunder are at least a 55 win team.
    6. Dwight Howard puts up anything north of 20-15-2 and the Rockets are at least a 60 win team.
    7. Kevin Love puts up anything north of 28-14-4 and the Wolves are at least a 55 win team.
    8. Stephen Curry puts up anything north of 24-8-4, hits over 300 3′s, and the Warriors are at least a 60 win team.

    I think if any of those 8 happen, LeBron doesn’t win MVP. If any of them do, it’s whoever had the biggest accomplishment from those that did happen. That said, I think #2 is likely, so I stick with CP3 for MVP.

  • C.M.G

    LOL KILL URSELF……paul George is nowhere near Lebrons level. f+ck the stats from the first 5 games, look at the body of work…..LeBron sends paul George home…..ANNUALLY LOL……

  • C.M.G

    these guys r retarted…..or close to it…. @disqus_j65FuvcSML:disqus thinks George is better than LeBron LOL…based on his researched opinion on 5 games

  • thebossman15

    no, that would be lebron

  • Lucas Zachary

    How could Hibbert be DPOY if he can’t even surpass D Howard. Paul George? MVP? I know he is a one of the finest forwards but seriously with Durant and Lebron in his way. I don’t think so.

  • jessedogg

    your list is solid.. but I do question the Howard pick… especially if his offensive-drop-off pattern continues and Harden averages 27+

    I also think PG will settle more into a 22-7-4 guy.

  • jessedogg

    In terms of MVP race maybe.. I wouldn’t say in terms of “best player in the league not name LeBron” race.. but i guess thats not really what we are talking about here.

    I think PG will settle into a 22, 7, 4 guy this year.

  • efoibweof

    kobrick in the finals
    2000 – 36% shooting
    2001 – 41.5% shooting
    2004 – 38% shooting
    2008 – 36% shooting
    2010 – 40.5% shooting

  • Caboose

    Ah, the Howard pick implies he returns to something like DPOY form.

    I think PG will calm down a bit, but yeah, he’s playing crazy right now.

  • LakeShow

    All of last year too.

  • C.M.G

    kill urself.

  • LakeShow

    Live healthfully and consciously.

  • iamacreature .

    Do your research, Ron Artest was the pacer’s best player back then. The night of the fight, he was the games leading scorer and had been dominating all night, which also contributed to Ben Wallace’s rage. I think Artest had been averaging around 22-6-4 up until that point, which isn’t bad.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Before you worry about me doing any research, you should take some reading lessons.

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