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Post Up: Free Hoops

Blazers, Hawks eke out OT wins

by Brett Weisband | @weisband

Hawks (15-13) 127, Cavaliers (10-17) 125 (2OT)

In a game in which neither team could maintain any separation, it took every bit of two extra periods to decide a winner. With under three seconds remaining in the second OT, Jeff Teague (34 points, 14-24 shooting, 14 assists) made his move from the top of the arc, pulled up around the left elbow and launched a jumper that bounced off of every part of the rim before dropping in, putting an end to a marathon game. The Hawks overcame a huge effort from Kyrie Irving, who dropped 40 points (17-33 shooting), including 16 in the extra 10 minutes.

After a pedestrian regulation game, there were big plays galore in the overtimes. In the first OT, after the Cavs appeared to have things out, Teague hit a long triple to extend the game. After a scoring burst from Kyrie and Tristan Thompson (22 points), Kyle Korver came back for the Hawks with a four-point play, followed by another big three. With under a minute to go, Kyrie stepped back to hit a game-tying jumper before Teague’s winner.

Dion Waiters, playing with a heavy wrap on his wrist, put up 20 (9-14 shooting) off the bench for the Cavs. Paul Millsap was a beast in the first overtime for Atlanta, scoring the Hawks’ first eight points of the period on his way to 20 and 11 boards. It wasn’t all good news for Atlanta, though: Al Horford (25 points) left the game with a right shoulder injury and did not return.

Rockets (20-11) 100, Grizzlies (12-16) 92

It looked like the Rockets were suffering from a Christmas hangover a night after blowing past the Spurs, falling behind by double digits to Memphis. But Houston was able to turn it on against Memphis when Dwight Howard (two points, six rebounds in 18 minutes) went to the bench for good with foul trouble. James Harden (27 points, 2-9 from the field, 22-25 from the line) helped complete the comeback, hitting 9-11 free throws in the fourth quarter, and Jeremy Lin scored 14 of his 18 points in the fourth to guide Houston to the win. Chandler Parsons also did his thing for Houston, posting a double double with 15 points and 11 boards.

Early on, Memphis looked like the Grizzlies of old, beating the Rockets up on the glass and in the paint. Zach Randolph (23 points, 17 rebounds) dominated his matchup with the smaller Terrence Jones, scoring 15 of his 23 in the first half. Jones (20 points, 10-14 shooting) wasn’t bad himself of the offensive end, hitting all six of his first-half shot attempts. The Grizz got a spark from the newly acquired James Johnson, who threw down three monstrous first-half dunks, including this strong drive to the hoop:

With Omer Asik sidelined, Donatas Montiejunas stepped up with Howard on the bench. The second-year big man played 23 minutes – more than he’d played in the previous two weeks combined. He posted a team-best +17 plus-minus rating, while his three blocks helped spark the Rockets’ turnaround. Houston trailed 76-66 with 11 minutes left on the clock, but used an extended 21-5 run to pull ahead for good with under five minutes to go. The foul disparity in the second half, which Randolph called out after the game, certainly helped the Rockets; they took 25 second-half free throws compared to the Grizzlies’ 13 attempts. 

Spurs (23-7) 116, Mavericks (16-13) 107

The Spurs were able to bounce back from the Christmas Day shellacking they took from the Rockets to top Dallas on Thursday, but they sure made it interesting. Leading by 15 midway through the fourth quarter, the Spurs appeared to have the game in hand. But a 12-0 Mavs run, with nine points coming from Monta Ellis (23 points, six assists, 9-19 shooting), cut the lead to 100-97 with just under four minutes remaining. That was as close as the Mavs would get, though, as the Spurs held on and pulled away for the win. Danny Green was perfect from the field, going 7-7, including five threes, to score 22 points, while Tim Duncan turned back the clock for 21 and 13.

Duncan’s strong game may have been aided by who the Mavs had to trot out at center. Brandan Wright and Sam Dalembert were both out sick for Dallas, so former Spur DeJuan Blair, giving up nearly half a foot to Timmy, started at center. Dirk Nowitzki led the Mavs with 25 points, while Vince Carter poured in 20 off the bench and helped keep Dallas in it late with his free throw shooting (11-11 from the line for the game). For the Spurs, Tony Parker shook off his rough outing against Houston to score 23 points, although his shooting (6-18 from the field) was off for the second straight night. 

Trail Blazers (24-5) 116, Clippers (20-11) 112 (OT)

Just a few days removed from having his wisdom teeth pulled, LaMarcus Aldridge had no issue extracting a win from the Clippers in overtime. Portland’s big man scored seven of his 32 points in OT, hitting all of the Blazers’ field goals in the frame to push them to the win.

The Clippers dropped their second game in as many nights, but it wasn’t for lack of effort. Down by 11 points with seven minutes to go, LA fought back to grab a late lead on the back of their all-world point guard. Chris Paul (34 points, 16-29 shooting, 16 assists, six steals) went into video game mode down the stretch. In the final 7:30 of regulation, he poured in 11 points and three assists. When the Clippers pulled ahead 101-98 with under a minute to go, the Blazers were rescued by a very deep triple from Nicolas Batum (19 points) off a handoff from Aldridge.

In OT, Blake Griffin tried his hand, scoring six of his 35 points (to go along with 11 rebounds), but missed a layup that would have given the Clips the lead with 30 seconds to go. 

Portland had an uncharacteristically poor shooting night (43.8 percent), likely influenced by LA’s improving defense, but still managed to place six scorers in double figures, including all five starters. Wesley Matthews knocked down 4-10 treys – the team was 13-36 from deep overall – on his way to 19 points, also posting seven rebounds and six assists. Robin Lopez went for a double double with 11 and 15. The Blazers are up to 24 wins in just 29 games. Last season, it took them until game no. 47 to reach that total.

 

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  • shockexchange

    At this point is there anything more automatic than LaMarcus Aldridge’s turnaround jump shot?

  • pposse

    1. James Harden ought to be ashamed of the way he plays basketball. 2/9 fg and 22/25 fts?! Ridiculous, every ref in that game should get fired, what a sorry bball player.

  • shockexchange

    Dude just runs into a crowd as fast as he can and (i) sees who he can jump into and (ii) whip his neck back in rapid fashion to sell a foul.

  • pposse

    yup its horrible. At one point late in the game he did a turnaround fadeaway over james johnson and just fell on his ass for no reason at all, bricked the shot and then the refs bailed him out with his 20 and 21st ft. He consistently makes a mockery of the game.

  • Myung

    Sorry in advance for this long post……….but how about that Jeff Teague?

    Eerily similar to that Al Horford game from two weeks ago (vs the Wizards).

    Best statistical game of his pro career? Check.

    Hit the clutch shot to send the game into OT? Check (and Teague’s shot was a long three as opposed to Al’s free throws).

    Hit the game winning jumper in OT as time expired (in this case, double OT)? Check Check.

    Teague’s numbers for the year: 16.8 ppg and 8.2 apg (good for third in total assists and 4th in average per game).

    In my opinion, the best PG in the East is John Wall. The numbers don’t lie: John Wall is THE best 1 in the Conference. I don’t think it’s up for debate.

    After that though? A lot of folks would say it’s Kyrie.

    Not so fast though.

    Kyrie IS averaging about 5 more ppg than Jeff.

    But the rebounds are even. Jeff is averaging 2 more apg. Jeff is slightly higher on spg, while Kyrie is slightly higher on bpg. As of this morning, they literally have the same fg%. Both are over 80% from the line. Kyrie is the better 3 point shooter.

    Atlanta has the 3rd best record in the East; Cleveland, the 10th best.

    I know Kyrie will be starting the ASG in New Orleans, and John Wall will also make it as a reserve but if the Eastern coaches are smart, Teague (along with Horford) will be on the bench.

    This was a kid I called a bust after two lackluster seasons (boy, was I wrong).

    This was a kid I said the Hawks should trade or let walk (and we almost did if Danny Ferry didn’t match Milwaukee’s offer from this summer).

    In hindsight, four years and $32 million is a bargain for a borderline All Star who’s just 25 years old (not even in his prime yet).

    We get (rightfully) killed for passing on CP3 in 2005 (ugh), but we don’t get enough credit for taking a point guard from the same school (Wake Forest) just 4 years after that fateful (ugh) draft.

    Chris Paul is a future Hall of Famer so the position and alma mater are where the comparisons should end, but for a team that sorely needed a franchise point guard badly, I’d say the Hawks got themselves one at #19 (talk about a sick draft for PG’s: #17, #18, and #19 were Jrue, Lawson, and Teague, back-to-back-to-back). He’s no Chris Paul, but he’s a fine Jeff Teague.

    After we drafted Dennis Schroder in this year’s draft, I wanted to let Teague go, but there’s a reason why Danny Ferry is the GM and I’m not.

    Ferry’s much, much smarter than I am, and I’m glad to see Teague is still our PG.

    If anything, let’s trade Schroder. Even though he hasn’t played much, he’s a great young talent, and teams that have an aging veteran he can learn from can stash him for a year or two and have him run their team very soon. I’d hate to just give up on Rondo 2.0, but if a team is willing to give us something good for him, I’d rather keep Teague and lose Schroder than have Schroder just languish on our bench. Either that or just use Schroder as a 6th man (right now, he’s not even playing). But Teague is a stud.

    I didn’t see it his first two seasons, but I see it now.

  • Sergio

    Yeah, his shot has been wet. But I would like him to go a little more to the line.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lamarcus Aldridge is shooting (1.1) more shots from 16-23 feet this season then he did last season….

    when he led the league in shot attempts from that distance.

    idk if winning like this is sustainable.

  • shockexchange

    Fair point. From what SE could gather from last night’s game, whenever Aldridge tried to maneuver inside he drew double teams. When he shot the turnaround from 15 ft and beyond he only had one defender to shoot over. It appears as if the threat of getting double teamed is forcing him further away from the basket.

  • spit hot fiyah

    it’s hard to complain when he is having the season he is having and shooting the way he does. my biggest problem with him has always been that he doesn’t drive the ball enough. when he does, it feels like he gets fouled every single time.

  • spit hot fiyah

    how is his percentage on those shots compared to last year?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    1.1 is a false number, that’s the increase from 11-12 to 2012-13. I can’t see the number/% increase so far this season. Totally misread the stat when I read it.

    My bad man.

  • spit hot fiyah

    the question of sustainability is still a real one though. i know that a few guys have been shooting the ball really well. but some still have room for improvement. (and maccollum being an x-factor)

    the defense has been bad according to some measures. like bottom 3rd of the league bad. so can they sustain an offense that is carrying a bad defense is a real question. they keep on beating some really good team though which makes it harder and harder to doubt them

    the miami game later this week will be a monster

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    I think the consensus is they cannot continue to win a vast majority of close games. IIRC a few days ago they were like 10-1 in games within 3 points going into the final 3 minutes. That along with a more favorable schedule has helped their record. But they have beated some really good teams too.

  • Max

    If he improves his outside shot watch out!!

  • Max

    I never like seeing a player get injured, but one of these days he’s gonna regret playing like that.

  • Max

    As long as Dirk is still balling, yes there is.

  • brothasdontsurf

    Pau Gasol yelling like he just got shanked after any shooting foul

  • brothasdontsurf

    James Harden channeled his inner Adrian Dantley with that game

  • LakeShow

    If he got up 20 attempts from the field I’d allow it.

    But the fact that he scored 27 points on 9 shots with 22% shooting is just disgusting…

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Thursday night thoughts

    1.Kyrie Irving is a great young talent but this season he has become a selfish Kobe Bryant-esque ballhog taking 33 shots shows that he is not a team player i can understand why Dion Waiters hates him

    2.James Harden 25 free throws the refs in the league this year have been horrible

    3.No team in the league lacks shooters more than Memphis

    4.Nicolas Batum CLUTCH

  • spit hot fiyah

    yeah i saw that “clutch” stat. that can’t be sustainable, but as long as it is we have to give them a lot of props. they beat the teams they should be beating and the ones that we could understand if they lost to as well

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    in regards to #1 — I agree about Irving being too shot happy, but Dion Waiters is the most shot happy player in the league not named JR Smith. If that is why he’s mad at Kyrie, he needs to buy a mirror.

    Other than that, cosign, all of it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think it’s conceivable that they stay in the top 3 record wise throughout the season. But as soon as the playoffs start, and a well coached team sees them multiple times in a row ….. i think they will get “figured out” so to speak.

  • Myung

    Totally agree. the outside shot is shaky, but he’s gotten a lot better since his rookie year. back then, you’d dare him to shoot. you leave him open now, and he’ll most likely knock it down. He’s working hard on the J.

    That shot he hit to force OT (the long 3) was a fruit of his labor.

    But I agree with you; that’s definitely a weak spot in his game.

    The flipside is, he’s struggling to hit the 3 consistently, YET he’s still shooting the same fg% as a guy whose NAME shines 500 times brighter but whose game doesn’t nearly outweigh Teague’s: that would be Kyrie.

    I’m not trying to hate on dude, and I’d still take Kyrie over Teague if given a choice (in terms of PG of the future), but as of TODAY? For THIS SEASON? I’d take Teague over Kyrie by a hair.

    Also, as a Hawks fan, I know our fans suck… but still… to not see Al Horford or Teague’s name in the top FIFTEEN in fan votes is pretty disheartening (but not surprising).

    Rondo and Rose have way more votes than Teague does. Rondo… you know… the guy who’s scored as many points as you or I have this season.

  • initbruv

    As a Jazz fan I’m glad that Milsap is playing well too. You guys have a fun squad to watch right now.

  • Myung

    Also, Kyrie attempts 19.3 fga’s to Teague’s 13.6, while scoring 5 more pts and averaging two fewer apg.

    Kyrie is a more gifted scorer than Jeff, but he’s also jacking up more shots than he probably needs to.

    Dishing the rock would probably help the team out (judging by the Cavs lackluster record thus far).

  • shockexchange

    Okay Max. You almost outshocked the Shock Exchange. Nice try guy.

  • spit hot fiyah

    very possible. the (possibly) coming drop off in offensive efficiency could be off set by defensive improvement (something there is room for)

    the playoffs is always another monster. not a lot of players on portland are playoff battle tested. i guess the good thing for them is that the well coached teams aren’t really that many. besides pop and doc i don’t see any playoff team’s coach that would scare me from a strategic point of view.

  • Myung

    thanks. the jazz have a bright future, as long as Kanter and Favors can develop. Burks and Burke and Hayward are also nice pieces. Add a high lottery pick, and you’re set, once you get a new coach for next season.

    This is the most like-able Hawks team since the mid 90′s (when we had Smitty, Deke, Mookie, and Laettner). We’re (finally) well coached. We have no egos. We have no ball stoppers (Joe). We have no knuckleheads (Josh). Totally selfless basketball. I LOVE watching the Hawks on offense. They give up good shots to get great shots.

    We definitely need depth so I’m hoping Danny Ferry addresses that before the trade deadline.

    But there’s a strong chance (thanks to Brooklyn’s struggles) that we’ll somehow get a lottery pick this year.

    So let’s all just continue to root AGAINST Brooklyn while simultaneously rooting FOR the Hawks. :)

  • Max

    Dammit!

  • shockexchange

    Good job! Good effort!

  • Max

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htiURZVuoks
    Vid comparing Kyrie to Isaiah.
    Last year.
    This season Teague has also been better than Kyrie IMO.

  • Max

    lol hahah

  • initbruv

    Yeah I think everyone around here just figured from the get go that the Jazz weren’t really trying to win this year so we just have to look to the future. I’m wondering if they’ll stick with Corbin though after this year.

    And yeah I liked your team that was full of knuckleheads, ball stoppers, and egos lol but this year they’re a lot more commendable.

    I’ll be right there with you rooting against BK and for ATL!

  • pposse

    i would take an injured kobe and d wade any day over this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well, as much as i’m anti-Scott Brooks, he seems to be a great defensively. And that’s really all it takes to out coach Terry Stotts (no offense to him).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Corbin is gone. That city is already pissed that Jeff Hornacek got whisked away

  • pposse

    if portland holds off the Thunder and Spurs for that #1 record in the west the Blazers have a very good shot at the western conference finals. There is no reason not to believe that Portland can beat a phx, dalllas, denver and even a golden state type of squad…and then in the next rd depending there is no reason to see not believe they can beat houston or la clippers (houston moreso cause this is the first yr they have dh)

  • initbruv

    Yeah I’ve heard a lot of people talk about the missed opportunity with Hornacek. Do you think they’ll keep Corbin through the rest of the season?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Portland matches up 100% terribly with Phoenix/Denver/Golden State…that’s one reason.

    But I agree, if they can hold onto #1 they will have a good shot at making the CF

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, he’s doing exactly what they were set up to do, no reason to fire him. Grabbing a new coach that can implement a system around whatever direction the team wants to go after the season is probably the play.

    Look for them to fire Corbin right after the season ends (or during the season, while replacing him with an interim from his field of assistants), then hire a new coach sometime after the draft lottery is set.

  • pposse

    LA is the best player by a long shot on both teams and he is a PF with a silly mid range game. If the Blazers utilize him in the right way and LA keeps up his play then he can win that first rd series by himself imo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i want to believe that. but that team has major flaws, and they definitely do not want to run into an uptempo team with strong PG play in the first round. not necessarily because they wouldn’t be favorites, but because those are the types of teams they struggle with, and presumably the types of teams that will take the most out of them, assuming they do win.

  • spit hot fiyah

    maybe i should have thrown hornaceck’s name in there. he hasn’t proven anything yet as far as playoffs. but he is the COY right now imo hands down.

  • initbruv

    Do you have any thoughts on who might be a good replacement? What about Hollins?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Steve Clifford is my COY at the moment. There is no reason the Bobcats should sniff anything close to a .500 record — i mean it’s marginal between him and Hornacek, my mind could change after i press post, but at the moment, i’m on the Clifford bandwagon

  • pposse

    yeah but we keep doubting Lillard but he is also consistently performing. I think he’ll get figured out eventually in the playoffs, which is why i think they will flame out deep in the playoffs (wcf). My comment was prefaced with IF they get the #1 seed. Because then we are looking at an almost certain matchup between Houston and LAC in the first rd as a 4-5 mathup and any team in the second rd will benefit from that blood bath (assuming that houston lac goes to 7 or is extremely competitive).

    Even tho the west is super competive i just kind of automatically assume the 1 seed will beat the 8 seed lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i don’t think putting Hollins on a team that will struggle to win for a few years is a good bet. my thoughts are more with a “new” coach, maybe like Shaka Smart or someone like that. Someone that will be a “big” (ish) name, but won’t be looked at as a franchise failure if he struggles.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lillard is also consistently the worst defensive starting PG in the league……..

    which is the main reason why they don’t want to run into Phoenix/Denver/Golden State in the first round.

  • initbruv

    Hmm I’m not as up on this stuff as you and had to google that name so I’ll have to take your word for it and hope for the best. Didn’t think we’d be envious of your boys in Phoenix before the season started lol the only place to go is up at this point.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i have no problem with clifford

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man, i’m about to lose $150 to my pops because he bet me they’d win 35+ games…..smh, i’m not only surprised about Phoenix, but pissed.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Shaka Smart was just a name i was throwing out as an example. i have heard nothing that links him to that job or anything like that. But the Brad Stevens in Boston model is what i expect Utah to follow.

  • initbruv

    I definitely woulda made that bet with him too. I bet my friend $100 that a team other than the Heat would win the championship this year. It’s still early but I’m not feeling too great about that bet right now.

  • initbruv

    I’d be ok with that. And I still have faith in the front office and the organization as a whole. I’ve been happy with the teams that we’ve had over the years for the most part, especially considering it’s not exactly the ideal destination for most players.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    my rule of thumb: never bet against the best player in the league.

  • Datkid

    Why do you say that? I’m not disagreeing but explain further

  • Datkid

    I’m actually sick of Kyrie right now honestly. I’d happily put teague over him

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Teams like that are attacking when the defense isn’t set. As good as Lopez/Aldridge are together, neither of them have the type of foot speed to deter teams from getting to the hoop with a wide open court.

    - Lillard is a very very very awful defensive player. As i like to say, he’s more of a speed bump then a road block.
    - Wes Matthews is a very good defender …. unless he’s guarding hybrid guards with elite speed. So he’s not really capable of switching and letting Lillard hide on the worse guard. He’s also about 6’4″ so if the opposing team has a SF with any size (Harrison Barnes in GS, Danilo Gallinari / Wilson Chandler in Denver, Marcus Morris in Phoenix) he’s not even able to switch with Nicolas Batum so that he can take on opposing PG’s…(even though Portland occassionally tries this).

    Portland plays a wide open offensive system, but defensively they are not built in a way that allows them to be very competitive (on the defensive end) against those small ball lineups.

  • Junior Taylor

    Anyone who ever utters the sentence “all Blake does is dunk the ball” again should be banned from ever talking basketball in a public forum. A game like last night showcases what I have known ever since I saw Griff in Oklahoma, he’s the most versatile PF in today’s NBA.

  • davidR

    i dunno about most versatile, but he definitely has the tools available to be more than just a dunker. in a few years his game will be really well rounded. he actually has great footwork for a big guy

  • davidR

    the bobcats are surprising people. kemba also stepped his game up this season

  • davidR

    portland has 3 end game clutch players. damn

  • http://bit.ly/1adGLWn SirGrey

    I agree that he has the work ethic to be the undisputed #1 option he needs to be in a few years but his footwork is pretty horrendous at times.

  • LakeShow

    **Cough**

    Anthony Davis

    **End Cough**

  • Junior Taylor

    AD in the not so distant future but as of now, Griff is the better player. Griff is the superior ballhandler, passer and has improved by leaps of bounds with his defense (thanks to Doc).

  • Myung

    GREAT. Our best player (Horford) is out with a torn pec. Might miss several MONTHS. FANTASTIC.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Kevin Love is the most versatile PF in the league due to his three point shooting he is the best “stretch 4″ in the NBA

  • LakeShow

    I realize AD can’t buy himself an adult beverage yet… But AD can play the 3, 4, and 5 with more versatility than Griffin can.

    You can argue he’s not the better player today. But he’s certainly the more versatile of the two.

    Has Griff ever had a 21-11-2-2-4 line over a 12 game span like AD did for the first 12 games? Griff gets more assists but if you watch AD play he is an absolutely great passer.

  • Bron?

    Bron?

  • Nathan Shane Long

    He is a Small Forward i don’t care if he start at the “4″

  • Caboose

    Oh yeah, because these guys have never done ANYTHING like that:
    Kobe: 40 points on 7/17 shooting, with 23/26 FT
    Rose: 42 points on 11/27 shooting, with 18/21 FT
    Durant: 46 points on 10/23 shooting, with 24/26 FT
    LeBron: 47 points on 11/27 shooting, with 24/28 FT
    Pierce: 30 points on 5/18 shooting, with 19/21 FT
    McGrady: 33 points on 8/18 shooting with 16/20 FT
    Vince: 46 points on 11/26 shooting with 22/27 FT
    Kevin Martin: 20 points on 1/8 shooting with 17/20 FT
    Manu: 30 points on 6/13 shooting with 18/18 FT
    Maggette: 25 points on 3/9 shooting with 19/20 FT
    Dirk: 28 points on 5/15 shooting with 17/21 FT
    West: 26 points on 4 made FG with 18/20 FT
    Dwight: 39 points on 7/13 FG with 25/39 FT
    Maravich: 45 points on 11 made FG with 23/26 FT
    Duncan: 25 points on 5/13 shooting with 15/21 FT
    DThompson: 40 points on 10 made FG with 20/22 FT
    CP3: 27 points on 3/9 shooting with 19/20 FT
    Westbrook: 34 points on 7/18 shooting with 20/22 FT
    Chauncey: 30 points on 4/12 shooting with 18/20 FT
    Wade: 32 points on 5/12 shooting with 21/23 FT
    Barkley: 26 points on 2/16 shooting with 22/27 FT
    Dantley: 27 points on 4/8 shooting with 19/25 FT

    Should these guys all be ashamed of their games?

    Or maybe getting to the FT line really is a talent.

  • Caboose

    Would you? Really? No. No you wouldn’t.

  • pposse

    yes i would!

  • pposse

    nice list but see Lakeshows response thats the disturbing part..9 total shots and 22% fg.

    Nice liste, but Most of the people on this list shot the ball over 9 times and or shot a better percentage than 22%. The guys who didn’t shoot the ball over 10 times on your list were Martin (bum) Maggette (bum), cp3 (not a bum but known to FLOP the same way I am accusing Harden of), Barkley (not a bum but shot the ball nearly twice as much as Harden), and Dantley (probably got a lot of sh*t for that performance). Everyone else is null and void due to their aggression.

    Zach Randolph is going to pay a fine for basically saying the same exact thing i posted. Did you watch the game? Guys who rely on getting to the FT line like that disgraces the game and insults the intelligence of fans.

  • Caboose

    Sweet, I’ll take Harden’s 24-5-6, 21.3 PER, and .182 WS/48, and I’ll let you have Kobe’s 14-4-4, 11.5 PER, and -.069 WS/48. Really? Are you SERIOUSLY going to make that argument?

  • Caboose

    It insults your intelligence? Why? Because they WERE hacking the sh!t out of Harden? Does he flop? Duh. More than average? Yeah. Is he doing what it takes to win? Yup. Since when did that become a bad thing?

  • pposse

    because i know for a fact from watching that game he got to the line atleast 4 times (8 ft attempts) on some bs which ultimately decided the game.

  • pposse

    i can’t stand guys who would rather engage in a ft contest to win games than actually hoop, its bs and Harden is no one to be doing that. Billups used to pull that same bs to win games constantly. He would look for the foul instead of trying to create a shot.

  • Caboose

    That’s fair. But let’s not isolate it to Harden. If we’re gonna call out players for getting BS calls….
    Durant
    Wade
    LeBron
    Rose
    Pierce
    Love
    Griffin
    Paul
    Westbrook

    are all also some HUGE offenders. Harden is bad, but let’s not act like he’s alone. Or MILES ahead of the rest of the L.

  • pposse

    he is definately miles ahead! I understand its part of the game, but none of those guys rely on refs to blow the whistle the way Harden does. He literally acts like he is getting fouled every play, and then he comes out and says stupid things like ‘I’m not a flopper, i don’t want to be known as one’

  • Caboose

    Ah. I agree, guys who intentionally go for the FOUL instead of the SHOT. Worst offenders of that would be:
    Harden
    Manu
    Pierce
    Durant
    Wade
    Martin
    Afflalo

    I agree. But c’mon, Harden has been better than Kobe this season. At least give me that :p

  • pposse

    haha yeah i know, I just said that earlier in the day cause i was so angered at what i witnessed the day before. Ofcourse i’d take Harden over Kobe this year, but I would rather have Wade on my squad even if Wade misses every 5 games or so to rest

  • Caboose

    That one is close, sure. For defense, definitely.

    And I agree, Harden is the WORST offender of going for foul instead of shot. And I know it upsets a lot of fans, but blame the L mostly for that, for creating rules that REALLY benefit the reckless slashers.

  • pposse

    I am blaming the L..and Harden. I literally said that the offciating crew should all get fired for allowing that. Just cause the rules are one way doesn’t mean you should take advantage, there are loopholes in almost every law/rule in the world. I blame the L bc Harden constantly snapping his head back is a flop and something he should be getting fined on a retrospective basis. Why its not happening I have no idea..

  • Caboose

    Yeah…that head-snapping is ridiculous.

  • Max

    Mhm yeah just read it aswell.
    All these injuries are just getting sad..

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