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Wednesday, December 18th, 2013 at 9:00 am  |  87 responses

Post Up: Superstar

Damian Lillard delivered a buzzer-beating W on Tuesday.

by Leo Sepkowitz | @LSepkowitzSLAM

Tuesday night saw the Lakers and Thunder snag road wins, Damian Lillard deliver in the clutch and more. 

Blazers 119, Cavaliers 116

Lillard certainly has a place in the MVP discussion. Last night, his Blazers played a close game in Cleveland. The two teams were tied at 116 in the waning moments before Illard drilled a three with under a tick remaining. Kyrie Irving couldn’t answer with a miracle game-tying try, and Portland advanced to a remarkable 22-4.

Lillard led perhaps the West’s finest team with 36 points (11/23, 8/12 triples) and 10 dimes. He added 8 boards and a block. LaMarcus Aldridge—an MVP candidate in his own right—added 26 and 15 as he seems to do nightly. Wes Matthews kicked in 19.

Cleveland got 25 from each of Kyrie and Dion Waiters while Andrew Bynum posted a strong 13 and 9 in 26 minutes.

Kings 87, Bobcats 95

Boogie Cousins was at it again last night, dropping 30 and 17 on the ‘Cats. He got to the line 15 times and converted on 12 free throws while adding 6 assists and 3 steals, but it wasn’t enough. Isaiah Thomas and Rudy Gay combined to shoot just 9/29 in the loss. Gay left early with right knee soreness and didn’t return.

Charlotte’s high-man was Kemba Walker with 24. He hit 7/13 shots from the floor and 6/7 from the stripe. Gerald Henderson dropped in 20 and Ramon Sessions added 16 off the bench in the W.

Lakers 96, Grizzlies 92

This game was tied at 67 entering the fourth quarter, but the Lakers opened up the final period on 12-4 run to create some separation. A buzzer-beating three by Jon Leuer made the final look a little bit closer than it really was.

Kobe played 33 minutes and finished with 21 points on 9/18 shooting. He tweaked his left knee at one point, but stayed in the game. Pau Gasol scored 21 as well, and added 9 boards and a trio of rejections. Swaggy P dropped 18 off the bench.

Zach Randolph posted 18 and 16 for the Grizz (though he needed 22 shots to get there). Tony Allen added 16 and 7 and Leuer finished with 13.

Thunder 105, Nuggets 93

OKC won each quarter of Tuesday night’s game in Denver, steadily turning this into a mini-blowout late. Guess which guys led the Thunder attack…

KD dropped 30 with 6 boards, Russell Westbrook narrowly missed a triple-double with 21 points, 13 rebounds and 8 dimes (his 8 turnovers had him closing in on a quadruple-double, too) and Serge Ibaka chipped in 17 and 10.

Denver got solid efforts from a pair of starters—20 and 14 from JJ Hickson and 17 and 13 from Ty Lawson—but it wasn’t enough. The Nuggets shot only 41.4 percent from the floor (5/19 from deep).  

Pelicans 93, Warriors 104

Golden State led by 33 after three quarters last night. Stephen Curry (28 and 12) and David Lee (21 and 17) posted double-doubles in the blowout win. Andre Iguodala returned to the lineup from his hamstring injury, but struggled in 17 minutes. Still, his presence will be huge for a team that has really only been treading water this season. 

Ryan Anderson scored a team-high 21 for the Pelicans. NOLA shot under 38 percent overall—Eric Gordon (1/9), Austin Rivers (4/12) and Jrue Holiday (4/9) all struggled, while Tyreke Evans sat out with a sprained ankle. 

Bonus: Vintage Show Of The Day

This season, I’ll be posting a semi-random highlight video of a former baller at the bottom of my Post Ups. Today, Pistol Pete Maravich gets the honor—and in rare form. I couldn’t resist posting two Maravich videos. 

The first video is a ‘simple’ Top 10 highlight reel—Nos. 9-1 are truly nasty (not totally sure how No. 10 made the cut even after re-watching roughly 825 times). The second is an absolute gem: a HORSE game from—I believe—1978 featuring Pistol Pete against the Iceman. I think Bob McAdoo and other players were involved in the game at some point, too (check out some more clips from the game here), but I’m partial to Gervin, so his section gets the nod. 

(PS: Happy Holidays from Pistol Pete…)

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  • Fan of the game

    Leo, again, nice choice on the vintage show of the day. In fact, both ballers featured represent in the following soliloquy. This is just a raw, off the dome piece I wrote after reading Grantland. To no one in particular;

    In response to the article from Lowe on Grantland, I hope
    that a heavy reliance on the 3-pointer is not the future of basketball.

    Is analytics people taking control of more teams a good
    thing for the NBA game? Strategically it may appear so but I don’t believe so.

    To me basketball is a form of artistry. A craft. A trade
    that requires a lot of dedication, discipline, sacrifice, time and passion. Akin
    to the requirements of becoming an accomplished carpenter, electrician, joiner,
    mason, plumber, tiler, etc (I’m from the construction game so this how I draw comparisons).

    To me basketball is art. It is a form of expression. An
    outlet of emotions (both positive and negative).

    To me, the greatest ballers are the ones that have reached
    the greatest depths emotionally, physically (both athletically and skill-wise)
    and mentally.

    Craftsmen of the highest order. Status attained through natural
    physical and mental gifts manifested through hours and hours and hours of
    dedication to pushing ones boundaries. The best athletes are the ones that push
    their boundaries consistently (and often have inherent attributes that enhance
    their ability to master a trade).

    A game that is predicated too much on the 3-pointer loses a
    lot of its artistic appeal to me. Yes, a great 3-point shooter requires a lot
    of time, repetition and dedication but it is a limited act in respect to creativity
    (a prominent facet of great art).

    Give me Iverson freestyling the game, MJ in the air and
    likewise artists’ extraordinaire. Real creative geniuses, real artists. Real
    basketball. If you don’t feel it so be it. This is a part of my interpretation
    of the game. Is analytics yours?

  • Fan of the game

    Wow, the last person to do what Lilliard did was Ason Kidd
    (not a typo). Made eight 3-pointers as a rookie! I must admit that surprised me.
    Mean no disrespect, a big fan of his game. PG legend.

    Averaging 24 pts and 9 asts! Haven’t seen those numbers for a minute
    yet this baller still hasn’t been an all-star!?!

    Check the people putting up 22 and 11 not named Kevin Love.
    Best bigs in the game? One is, the other perhaps soon to be.

  • pposse

    if players were allowed to hand check on the perimeter then the reliance on three pt shooting would go down the drain. NBA needs to bring back the old defensive rules back and shrink the deadman circle underneath the hoop.

  • Fan of the game

    Yes sir. I miss the hand-checking era. Made on-ball defense so much better, and consequently, the one-on-one battles that occur in the game, better.

  • Max

    Nice, but the last 2 or maybe even 3 championships were won because of 3 point shooting. So I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

  • Saleem Rainman

    Kyrie was KILLING it in the 4th, tied the game up with a pass to varajao on the drive to complete the comeback. he outplayed lillard all 4th. But Lillard has that ice water in his veins. It was a sick battle between two of the best up and coming pg’s in the world.

    (I hate to go there, but this is also why i rate them above John Wall, John Wall doesnt have these type of moments. ever. in the 4th.)

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    1. The warriors need better coaching or need to create a system where all their pieces are used. Although some may disagree, I’d like to see Warriors slow down and work the ball in the post. When the shooters are off, the warriors suffer. This will come back to hurt them in the playoffs.

    2. PPL are sleeping on the thunder. I don’t see the blazers beating the thunder in the playoffs. They are a regular season team. I did see the response to my previous claim but the qualitative data disagrees.

    3. Many people love Duncan’s post game. ZBo’s post game is tough. If you are young gun watch Zbo videos. Duncan has a clear height and arm advantage when playing but Zbo’s post game can be used by people of all positions. GUARDS need that Zbo post game not Hakeem because not everyone is super agile on their feet.

    4. I read a rumor on Nbadraft.net that the Kings were trying to acquire Rajon Rondo. Can anyone verify this. If so, Rondo, Cousins, Gay is solid consistent playoff bound team.

    5. Lillard>Irving. Ppl sleep on this hybrid of Baron Davis and Chauncey Billups. I don’t see the blazers going far in the playoffs. I’d like to see the blazers trade for a more prolific scorer next to Lillard. Possibly make a deal batum for Jeff Green or Matthews and somebody for Aaron Affalo. Celtics are in rebuilding and I don’t see the Magic wanting to hold onto affalo or nelson considering they got a nice core with the young guns.

    Poll: Can lebron win a ring with: Kyrie, Waiters, Miles, Thompson, (healthy) Bynum?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    As Salamu Alaykum ikwa

  • Sérgio

    Gasol was a beast down the stretch yesterday. If the Lakers feed him constantly in those spots, and if he deliver, they may surprise some people over the season.

    Also, Kobe did pretty well against one of the fiercest defenders of the League in Tony Allen.

    And boy, if Iguodala had completed that dunk, it would’ve been the play of the year. My goodness.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Kyrie is nice. His ability to handle and penetrate through offenses is madness. I am not a fan of his release on his shot. Also, he needs to work on distributing in the paint

  • Dagger

    That article is here: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10148890/the-reliance-3-pointer-whether-not-hurting-nba

    A couple thoughts in response to you:

    There’s a big difference between the increasing popularity of three pointers and the disappearance of other aspects of the game. You still need an interior game to free up those three point shots. And if defenses adjust to better defend the three, a mid range game might keep them honest. Note that Lowe’s sources aren’t sure whether this trend will have a “natural” solution (i.e. defenses adjust organically) or whether it requires an “artificial” solution (i.e. changing the mechanics of the game by, for example, pushing back the three-point line).

    A broader point: the role of rigorous analytical thinking in art is often underestimated. Art and science tend to blend together at the highest level of creative achievement. Einstein visualized the movement of light, and that helped him conceive of his theory of relativity. Beethoven composed his symphonies by developing increasingly intricate variations of simple musical themes. In other words: advanced analytics might standardize some aspects of NBA gameplay, but there’s a good chance they will merely supplement and refine, rather than replace, the artistry of basketball.

  • Fan of the game

    Fantastic outlook on the broader point. Appreciate the thoughts presented. Nice to hear intelligent thoughts from others. Learn a lot.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    the blazers will not go away, it was the cavs, but still…
    demarcus is a baaaaad man.
    grizz just dont have enough offense. but they will get somn nice in the lottery.

  • Harvey

    Blazers win AGAIN!
    I never thought I would say this but…
    If the Blazers end up having the best record in the entire league, Aldridge or Lillard are legit for an MVP award. Lillard could also have MIP, will be an All-Star and could win the 3-point contest this season. Damn!
    I remember Lillard in the pre-season saying he was hoping to just make the playoffs as goal for himself and his team. JUST the playoffs… lol.

  • Dagger

    Honestly, I think Gasol placed in pretty good positions on offense. A lot of the problem appears to be his failure to deliver when he does post up. Some evidence: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/12/17/5208554/pau-gasol-analysis-la-lakers-mike-dantoni

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Correct.

    For Example –
    Tim Duncan gets 4.8 close touches per game. Pau Gasol gets 4.5. LMA gets 4.3. David West 3.7.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    This is one of my favorite comments of all time.

  • Dagger

    Thanks man, much appreciated.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i saw his comment early this morning and was going to reply, got sidetracked, and when i came back you had said that. man, i am happy i got distracted. my reply was about to try and say a lot of what you said, but with about 1/4 of the skill

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Still haven’t gotten out of that basement aye nbk? Lol jk yea I was going to do the same but Dagger pretty much nailed it.

  • Sérgio

    You’re right, I saw those numbers yesterday. He just needs to be agressive and deliver. Yesterday, he was even driving to the hole, an unexpected sign of agressiveness.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i think gasol benefits more than anyone from kobe coming back.

    there has to a major level of comfort between the two. they know each other’s games very well

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope, i’m stuck in here! i tried to get out the other day but then i got hit with this thing called “sunlight” — i couldn’t take it. almost burst into flames.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i will repeat myself from 2 days ago: Damian “COJONES” LIllard

    all caps this time

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    You poor poor bastard you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    hey, i mean it is rough in here. but at least i don’t have to deal with this “day and night” phenomena that you people are always going on about.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    That’s very true. Welp enjoy the the darkness in your cold basement you sad little troll you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d say i’m more of a goblin then a troll. but i will enjoy it, you enjoy your life of adventure above ground you happy happy big person

  • spit hot fiyah
  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol that dude telling you that was funny. Like aren’t you doing the same thing?

  • initbruv

    Damn. Well said Dagger.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s pretty amazing that people can be that oblivious

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Yea that was pretty funny to me actually

  • LakeShow

    Russel Westbrook last 6 games: 21-10-9-2 on 44% fg’s.

  • LakeShow

    You just went down a long road of “If’s” haha.

    There is allot of season left. These guys are legit, but there is no way they sustain this level.

    They are 22-4 right now. OKC is 20-4. IND is 20-4. Unless they have the most smooth entry into elite company ever as a team this season they won’t end up with anything better than 4th. Which is INCREDIBLE. Just saying, don’t expect them to continue to lead the L in winning %.

    Lillard is really in no way their MVP. You could argue it, but imo you would be wrong. It’s LMA all day. What he does on defense in conjunction with his offense is really incredible.

    I highly doubt Lillard beats out Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver, (his teammate) Wes Matthews, Ryan Anderson, Danny Green, Marco Belenelli ETC…

    Just my two cents.

  • LakeShow

    They have played every minute on the court together since KB’s return.

  • LakeShow

    I personally think it’s more “real” defense if you can defend the perimeter with just your feet and hip movement, rather than holding your opponents hip to stave his movement. Personally.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “real” on-ball defense, with about 1/100th the defensive strategy. i mean, you just talked about the artistry of the game, isn’t the defensive side of the ball just as important? defensive concepts were like cave drawings in the hand checking days.

  • Harvey

    Yeah, I mean, they probably won’t end up with the leagues best record. But as of now, they just keep on winning. Neither LMA or Lillard will win MVP unless they get the best record at the minimum.
    The Blazers are 29th in points in the paint, and 27th in fast–break points… that is puzzling. But they like to play half court Basketball (which I love) and Dame is running that. He is my MIP (providing the wins) anyway. He is offensively solid.
    With the 3point contest, of course, that’s a toss up.
    On any given day, any of those guys you mentioned could take the crown.

  • Harvey

    I feel you. Defensive three seconds is the worst rule ever put in place (which limits strategy imo). It should be abolished. I get why it’s in place, but I just hate it.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Agreed. The true art of defense is being able to stay in front of your man by just sliding your feet and shifting your hips. I think what most people mean when they say “real” is that it’s more physical than today’s NBA. Which to me doesn’t make since at all.

  • LakeShow

    I dig their style with out a doubt. It’s good, solid basketball.

  • Harvey

    Fans equate realness with physicality. Take what you want from that…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah man, defensive 3 seconds is great, it’s “illegal defense” that is what was so terrible. that rule was replaced with the defensive 3 seconds, which i do enjoy. It doesn’t let guys like Roy Hibbert literally stand directly infront of the rim for an entire game.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t feel accomplished when I just bully someone physically. Offensively or defensively. I enjoy the skill and art of trying to do it more strategically.

    Hence why I love Kobe and don’t like LeBron lol.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    He’s playing out of his mind right now.

  • Mo

    And 8 TOs last night

  • Harvey

    I do understand why they have it. But in college (NCAA) and internationally (FIBA), they don’t have that rule.
    What’s the difference I wonder?

  • LakeShow

    HEY! Nuff outta you…

  • Mo

    Yes sir sorry

  • Harvey

    Agreed. Kobe is a scientist out there. The best footwork in the league by a country mile.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol I never did it for that reason when I use to play. Since I’m only 21 I’m not that far removed from my Varsity and AAU days but I had a coach who was probably the most defensive minded coach I’ve ever encountered. He tied our hands behind our backs and made us get stops in practice lol hell he use to put lids on the buckets and make us rip each other a part just to get defensive rebounds lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    That just sounds dumb. I know you’re not advocating that logic though.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol I pictured my Drill Instructor saying that.

  • LakeShow

    There are 20 players in the L scoring 20 ppg or more. Only 4 of which score 25ppg or more. They are all forwards.

    Dirk is 1 FG% point away from 50-40-90

    Damien Lillard is scoring efficiently(21ppg on 16FGA) despite shooting .399 for his FG%. This is due to his 7FGA from 3, and getting to the line 5.5 times whilst making 5 of them. Good young player.

    Of the top 40 league leaders in scoring, only two play below 33mpg. That is Demarcus Cousins and Tony Parker. Cousins is currently 9th in the L at scoring at a 22.4ppg clip.
    Props.

    Lamarcus Aldridge had a career year in rebounding last season with 9 a game. He’s grabbing 2 more per game this season. He is really impressive and opening allot of peoples eyes. The one thing I can say negatively about LMA though is he is not a very efficient scorer. Let’s put it this way. LMA needs to shoot the ball 20 times to get 23.4ppg. His partner Lillard whom shoots a lowly 39% on FG’s is actually more efficient. Lillard takes 4 less shots for 3 less ppg. Just something I was noticing. While LMA is currently the toast of the L he is scoring much less efficiently than should be expected of a PF. Kevin Loves 18.5 FGA net him 25ppg despite shooting a 4% lower fg% than LMA. The Blazers offense is great with LMA shooting his mid range jumpers though, so it’s not a bad thing per se. It should just be noted.

  • LakeShow

    awesome!

  • kadavour

    Amen. can you imagine Jordan Pip Harper and Rodman playing for Tibbs? MY GAWD…
    Also, look at what Carlisle’s zone did in the 10-11 Finals. the game is improving.

  • Kadavour

    Baron Davis? i disagree. I see TONS of Chauncey in him, tons of it. Care to offer examples of how his game reminds you of B. Diddy?

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    It was a pain in the ass but it made me tough as nails. Well that and the military lol

  • LakeShow

    Are you in the military now then? Sorry I forgot. Thought you were in school or something.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean, aside from the gamut of other rule differences?

    The NBA is about pace, and watchability. It’s a lot less watchable when neither team can do anything at the basket because some behemoth of a person is just standing under it on defense. It’s the same reason they have an offensive 3 second rule. The big giant person standing under the basket ruins the rest of the game because it’s like cheating. Could you imagine if Shaq was allowed to just stand under the basket on offense and defense? or if Yao Ming could just stand at the rim on defense?

    FIBA wise, i thought they had defensive 3 seconds? idk, i’m not too familiar with their rules, aside from the fact that they are adopting many NBA rules to try and find a middle ground.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i think nostalgia is the bigger problem. in the 80s it was “too much flash, not enough substance” — now a days, those guys are the ones who were “better” — just a stupid cycle. The game is only going to evolve, like anything will over time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ugh….did you really just say Kobe plays more strategically? you mean, “scores more strategically?” i mean, Kobe’s “strategy” is find a way to score first, second, and then pass if you have to 3rd. I think Kobe has more options as a scorer, and thus his applying those skills to scoring is more “strategy” based. But how he attacks the game in general, with LeBron’s passing and focus on efficiency, i think it’s hard to say he’s reliant on overpowering people while Kobe is some kind of strategist. Unless i’m just misunderstanding you?

  • spit hot fiyah

    they also bought a horse together not long ago. bros 4 liiiife

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    really well said.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I graduated last May so now I’m in the process of training. I’ll be MIA for a little USAF training after Feb 18 so I’ll miss most of the playoffs lol

  • LakeShow

    Thank ya brotha.

    You were the first guy to talk about LMA’s greatness on here(3 years ago?), so props for that. He’s really shining now.

  • Fan of the game

    Fair point. However, there is skill in being able to hand check effectively. 3 of the best on ball defenders demonstrated this (Pippen, Payton and Jordan). No one can D up a decent baller with just their feet and hip movement. A lot of the comments beneath on the topic are missing the point. Overall team D is far more advanced not the level of on-ball D. Man I could discuss this for days but I haven’t got the time.

  • LakeShow

    No, I don’t think LeBron could.

    That team is much less talented than any team LeBron has played on with the Heat, and we saw how hard it has been for them to win.

    Mainly defense. None of those guys can give consistent effort on the D end.

  • LakeShow

    I knew you’d have something to say about that.

    I’m not trying to make a negative point about LeBron here.

    What you can take away from it, is that KB takes more difficult shot’s using a more skilled offensive arsenal, and I just enjoy that style.

    It is not better. It’s usually less effective, but KB is skilled enough to play that way, and I just prefer it.

  • LakeShow

    Damn! You will be missed around here.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i just wanted to make sure you meant as a scorer. i don’t disagree with that assertion at all. just in general, i don’t think either player is really more “cerebral” than the other. They just think the game out a lot differently. And i wasn’t taking it as a negative point, just wasn’t sure what you meant.

  • JML-G

    Aldrigde & Lillard cover – SLAM MAKE IT HAPPEN!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Haha thanks man I’ll be back after about 2-3 months.

  • LLC#12

    Nah in FIBA there’s no defensive 3 seconds. That’s why a lot of teams just camp a 7 footer under the hoop on D! Like you said, it makes it a nightmare for offenses, and I reckon its one of the reasons so many stretch bigs develop in Europe.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ha i appreciate it. i’m just glad he’s playing happy and hungry again, last year’s loaf fest was a total bummer

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah probably a big reason for that trend. the 3pt line i think is the reason FIBA never adopted the rule. By the time the NBA had introduced the 3pt line, illegal defense was a well established part of professional basketball in the states (Zone Defense was outlawed in 1947, the 3pt line was not introduced until 1980) while i believe FIBA obviously adopted the 3pt line before illegal defense became part of the discussion.

  • davidR

    to me, the way refs call fouls these days kills watchability and pace. guys like james harden come flying into the lane specifically looking to run into someone, then when contact is made, fling the head back and throw the shot up. a foul is then called, and 2 free throws.

    maybe its just that refs are so quick to call fouls these days that i don’t enjoy. and not that ive been able to watch games much often, but i dont necessarily get the sense that refs have made much an effort to not call fouls on players that pretend contact happened.

    i’ll take the slow, defensive, ugly games, over “fast paced” games with the refs blowing the whistle every 45 seconds

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    There are less fouls called now, then at any point in NBA history. And this is the 7th straight year of this trend. So….ugh, I disagree.

  • Max

    Zones are the worst when played correctly.

  • davidR

    that second paragraph was ill. props

  • LLC#12

    Yup, some of the lowest scoring games I’ve ever been a part of have been down to pesky Zone defenses.

  • davidR

    was saying the same thing you said about lilard last year, except about kyrie. not that i would think lillard would win, but he is a better shooter than kyrie…

  • JL

    The cure to that would be to reward 3 pts for dunks performed on said giants of the game.

  • pposse

    what your describing is impossible. Sure I can move my hips and feet to stop a first grader, but grown men can’t do that against grown men who compete at the highest level. It is physically not possible.

  • LakeShow

    I don’t see why not.

    It just requires more team help. You can guide someone into help with your hips and foot movement. It’s why the Pacers are so good defensively. They don’t stop guys one on one. They drive them to their team mates for help.

    It’s fine if you want to just hold your opponent with your hand on his hip or arm on the play ground. I don’t.

    Personally, I think that’s rightfully a foul, and I’m glad they have that rule in the NBA.

  • pposse

    from what i think your saying you enjoy and embrace the team concept of basketball which is fine and respectable. However, basketball at its core imo is about one on one matchups and how you can exploit them. To me it comes down to this from 1st grade all the way up to the NBA. How many end of game situations aren’t just iso one on one plays? How many very good players in the league are labeled selfish or is considered a great one on one player. Right now the greatest player in the game are none of these things, but nearly all other players around him competing for the crown are these ‘selfish’ type of ball players.

    On the playground you may not be holding and grabbing the guys you playing with cause subconciously your trying to hoop like an NBA baller…bet you wasn’t playing like that when you were a little younger tho? FYI im not a trained psychologist but thats just how i see it.

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