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Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 at 9:00 am  |  161 responses

Luol Deng Traded for Andrew Bynum and Three Draft Picks

 

by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

The Bulls and Cavaliers have agreed to a blockbuster trade, sending Luol Deng to Cleveland in exchange for suspended center Andrew Bynum, three future draft picks and the right to swap 2015 first round picks.

Deng is moving on after nine-plus seasons in Chicago, while Bynum’s downward spiral continues.

From the press release:

“We are very excited for Luol to join the Cavaliers organization,” said Cavs GM Chris Grant. “We have worked to acquire and maintain flexibility in order to capitalize on opportunities such as this. Luol reflects all that we are striving for in building our team. He’s a tremendous defensive player that can impact the game on both ends of the court with a team first mentality and is a high character leader.”

In exchange for Deng, the Cavs send Chicago Bynum, Cleveland’s right to the Sacramento King’s first round draft pick conveyed in a June 30, 2011 deal, the right for Chicago to swap its own 2015 first round draft pick with the Cavs own 2015 first round draft pick (only in the case that the Cleveland 2015 first round draft pick is between 15 and 30) and the Portland Trail Blazer’s 2015 and 2016 second round draft picks acquired from the Trail Blazers via 2013 draft night trade.

Luol Deng reportedly turned down a $30 million contract extension offer from the Bulls, opening the door for this trade.

Deng will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, and Cleveland can offer him the richest deal on the market.

Andrew Bynum will be waived before the second half of his $12.3 million contract becomes guaranteed today, dropping the Bulls below the luxury-tax threshold.

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  • i_ball

    The Cavs now have a solid roster in the East – no excuses to not make the playoffs. A starting 5 of Kyrie, Waiters, Deng, Thompson and Verajao with Jack coming off the bench should be good enough to make it at the very least to the 8th seed.

    On the other hand the Bulls are tanking. Noah should get “injured” at one point just to rest and recover.

  • Fat Lever

    I’ve been a Kyrie fan, but now there is no excuse for him. If he is a good/great PG, he needs to take this Cleveland team into the playoffs.

  • pposse

    sucks, but Deng should have taken the 30 million 3 yr extension. He aint worth more than that imo, you can’t be the third best player on a winning team and ask for more than that

  • Guest

    So the Bulls get the Kings first round pick this year?

  • bguy

    I give bynum 2 weeks before he gets another boot from bulls

  • i_ball

    He is 28, will be 29 when his contract expires – he probably wanted a longer deal as this is probably his last big contract

  • i_ball

    “Andrew Bynum will be waived before the second half of his $12.3 million contract becomes guaranteed today, dropping the Bulls below the luxury-tax threshold.”

    You gave him too much time ;)

  • pposse

    yeah but i think its conditional..top 12 protected so at best we can get the 13th pick in the draft via sacramento

  • Blitzk3r

    This is the deal with that 1st round pick from the Cavs “Sacramento’s 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-12 in 2014, 1-10 in 2015, 1-10 in 2016 or 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Cleveland” So in short no, I doubt it very much.

    I think this trade for the Bulls is more about salary cap, and getting some sort of deal for an expiring Deng.

  • danpowers

    Itll take a very big fish for the bulls next free agency in order to make this a good deal. Deng is one of those guys on a team you only start missing whe he isnt there anymore. Pretty much like oxygen. on the other hand: book the cavs for the playoffs.

  • the real

    Sadly kyrie irving looks to be another reprecussion of coming out of college too early. I can understand generational talents like kobe lebron and kd but the reality is that not everyone is cut out for that which why the overall fundamentals and talent of the league is dimininshing.

  • pposse

    the bulls were over the salary cap and just rid themselves of paying a repeater tax. They did what they had to do, not every team is just going to pay penalties to operate. The deal they offered Deng was fair, not the greatest but fair imo. He said no so the bulls granted him his wish.

  • Mike Gilbert

    Deng encompassed everything that it means to be Chicago Bull. Very sad to see him go. Great deal though, because not only do we get a future first likely in the 10-20 range, but we get out of the luxury tax!!! Teams are gong to be screwed when the repeater tax starts kicking in

  • Mike Gilbert

    the 3 seed is wide open in the East, so the Cavs could even make a run at that. There’s still a lot of season left.Deng will be great for them though as a glue guy, and he should make everyone better

  • LP @ThisisEther

    2 weeks?? what about 2 half days…..

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Great Deal, this had to be done…Deng turned down 3year/$30M, which I wouldn’t have even offered….Bulls doing an excellent job of RELOADING without “tanking”……

  • Guest

    That’s pretty good though. Time and time again there are those players mid-late draft that end up being solid. Any pick is good in my mind.

  • TR

    this trade makes me think more about the Bulls and where they see the franchise going (with rose or away from rose) than it does Deng or the Cavs.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    and what is that repruccussion?? you say that like Kyrie is a bust or something….

  • Anthony

    And somewhere Anthony Bennett gets burried deeper in the rotation.

  • monster_nw8

    Well… Bulls are screwed now while Cavs just got deeper.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    taking a team in the east to the playoffs really isnt saying anything…..

  • Saleem Rainman

    not that i disagree with u, since that very well may be true, but u dont really know that, since he’s only played for one team his whole career.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ….you do realize Kyrie has been a very very good NBA player don’t you? Even if he’s not a top 10 player, he’s still better than 90% of the NBA.

  • i_ball

    I’m not sure if Deng can single-handedly solve Cleveland’s chemistry issues. After all he has never been in a situation where chemistry is problem so the 3rd seed might be a long shot

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhm, Andrew Bynum will be waived by the end of the day today. Tanking is exactly what they are doing.

  • Lexluther312

    The Bulls are screwed how? They unloaded Deng and his contract, who was gonna walk via free agency anyways this summer. They picked up multiple mid-first round draft picks, and most importantly saved a ridiculous amount of money and won’t have to worry about the luxury tax. This is a win in every sense of the word, especially for a team that isn’t going to contend this season.

  • Mike Gilbert

    I have faith in his ability to lead by example. That dude goes to battle every game, and leaves everything on the court always

  • pposse

    still doubt it that we are tanking. We *just fixed the cap situation, doesn’t necessarily mean we are tanking. Too many veteran solid ball players on the team to do that. And Thibs in all likelihood will not be down with that

  • Fat Lever

    It’s still a step in the right direction for his development. If he wants to be considered a franchise player, playoff appearances are mandatory.

  • i_ball

    Players and coaches don’t tank – management does. I expect Noah to be out for a long time with some kind of an “injury”. A since the team now has no chance of being relevant Thibs should decrease the minutes on the better players.

  • pposse

    its dam near impossible to tank in the east. idk you can’t just not play ball. Noah is the type of guy that would go out publicly say that he is healthy if management is holding him out of games that he can play in. Money is more of an interest to Reinsdorf i believe we will stil make the playoffs and sell out crowds still but can’t be for certain.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s not up to the players. management blatantly giving away players that help you now, for guys you will waive tonight, is a clear sign of tanking.

  • i_ball

    I don’t think a team needs to have the worst record to tank successfully. If you can get a top 5 pick the tanking is worth it – specially in this years draft. It’ shouldn’t be that hard to get say a bottom 7 or a bottom 8 record.

  • HurricanePat

    “They picked up multiple mid-first round draft picks” ?????????? The way Sacto is constructed, that pick will turn out to be a 2017 second rounder.

  • cgeorge22

    Gar foreman has betrayed us bulls fans. Giving up out “lieutenant deng” for a guy who doesn’t even want to play. Smh bulls.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    nah, not tanking…thats a move to save 20 million dollars, and Andrew Bynum isn’t even worth having on the team….. Bulls can still legit make the playoffs, which i hope they don’t….Bulls couldn’t tank if they tried, they work too hard…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    they just gave away their best current player for nobody. :LP, that’s called tanking. it’s obviously not a long term thing, but they weighed their future vs today, and the future won. it’s not a slight on them, and it was honestly the right move. but they clearly are giving this season up.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    ….. i see, but every move for the future can’t be considered “tanking”…..Deng is the 3rd best player on the roster, by the way and he wasn’t trying to resign for decent money…

  • Harvey

    It sucks to see him out of Chicago. Such a great work ethic, and a tremendous defender. I hope it works out for him in the future with either Cleveland or whoever he joins in free agency in the summer. He is having a career year in scoring this season too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk i think you are looking at tanking with a stigma attached to it. it’s just a way to say they recognized they didn’t have enough guns for the fight, so they chose to live to fight another day.
    .
    Deng was the best player …. at the moment. He’s been the best player on that team all season. I didn’t mean in general, he was definitely the 3rd most valuable trade asset, but as a player..right now, he’s the best thing they had.

  • brothasdontsurf

    Cleveland fans you have my sympathy. Bynum and his permafro should have never been signed, and now your GM was forced into dumping him before the All Star Break.

    Your consolation? Oh just the most solid swingman ROLE PLAYER in the Leastern Conference who is free to leave at the end of the season. There goes your future picks also. I would mention trying to have a reason for Kyrie to want to stay but he isn’t even a franchise PG! At least you Cavs fans can still live out your dreams on 2K though!

  • bike

    If it smells like tanking, talks like tanking, and tastes like tanking, then it is probably tanking.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    Why would the cavs do this? Deng could go somewhere else

  • Mike Gilbert

    I still don’t think the Bulls are bad enough to get a top 7 pick. Having a Thibs coached defense, Noah, Butler, Gibson….I really just don’t see us being an absolute basement team. The only other trade on the horizon would be to trade Dunleavy that I can think of…I’d be shocked if they moved anyone else

  • Mike Gilbert

    he’s worth as much as Iggy and Batum and Josh Smith are making

  • Mike Gilbert

    they need to win now, start a winning culture on this team

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Missing the playoffs is all it takes. The best non playoff team in the East is going to be comparable to the worst non playoff team in the West. It’s not like of they miss the playoffs they’ll be stuck with a pick between 10 and 13.

  • Mike Gilbert

    not even close. There’s no way the Kings are in the top 10 for the next 4 years

  • Mike Gilbert

    The way I see it, no matter what the Bulls will be better than the Bucks, Jazz, Kings, Magic….falling somewhere between 5-10…yea I guess your right that’s sitting pretty, especially with other picks to move up if the opportunity is there. More than anything I want Dante Exum on this Bulls team

  • pposse

    and look at Iggy, he gets traded on the regular and everyone is calling for Josh Smith to get traded. Batum just signed an extension but will probably be the first talent cut when things go bad in portland, guys in their position (very good but not great) will always be the first to go. These guys either have to agree to the terms their preferred destination gives them or they will be forever NBA journeymen. I’m not mad at Deng for holding out, but I still don’t see any team giving him much more than 10 mill per yr at all.

  • pposse

    no its a clear sign of being smart..tanking in the way your implying is saying that management wants to lose as many games as possible to get a top 5 pick. I highly doubt this is the strategy. Deng was going to walk in the summer, this move had to be done.

  • Mike Gilbert

    Iggy on his current contract is not getting traded…Smith is overpayed yea lol…..and Batum is not going anywhere…The Bulls were lucky they drafted Butler, and he’s turned out as good as he is because otherwise we’d be forced to resign Deng.

  • Sérgio

    Well said, man. Deng has been straight out ballin’ this season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t think Exum makes it out of the top 7

    - Parker
    - Wiggins
    - Embiid
    - Gordon
    - Randle
    - Exum
    - Smart* (thanks SHF)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No, tanking implies they are giving up on pursuing the playoffs in order to secure a more flexible situation in the future. Tanking doesn’t mean bottoming out. It’s not about extremes dude, don’t think like that. (Related, but unrelated to you — I don’t like how everyone looks at everything in such extremes. Just about everything falls in a grey area, understanding the motivation behind why teams go in whatever direction is far far more important) – it’s about what are they trying to accomplish. And what that is, is not success this season. Don’t call it tanking if you don’t want, but it’s clear “winning today” is not even part of the plan.

  • TriggaMan

    90% on offense not IQ and defense and

  • TriggaMan

    So real. Great comment

  • uqk

    they’ve been sucks for 3 yrs….whats the difference 1 more year?
    what did cavs want to proof anyway?
    considering next draft class is very promising..once in a decade
    and also gilbert jr brings good luck in draft…top 5 guaranteed :D

  • TriggaMan

    He doesn’t have that much talent around him since Bynum quit

  • guest

    trigga maynnne! wat it do?

  • pposse

    i dont think any team in the east can give up pursuing the playoffs. Every team has a legit shot at it still lol. I still believe making the playoffs is in the bulls short term plans (if Reinsdorf has any say in it bc of the added profits from tickets sales and tv), but yeah legit championship aspirations are out the window.

  • spit hot fiyah

    also almost guaranteed to mess up the pick

  • LP @ThisisEther

    you just described Damian Lillard, who went to college for 4 years….

  • spit hot fiyah

    i don’t know if u put those in the order you like. but embiid seems to get better by the game. i wouldn’t be surprised if he is 1 when it is all said and done. and parker doesn’t get past utah wherever they are picking

  • spit hot fiyah

    iggy got traded once in his career, not exactly on the regular

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Just naming the top 6 lol no order meant at all

  • Notedejes Dardeito

    Bulls officialy giving up at rose and any hope this year

  • spit hot fiyah

    ok, smart might be in there depending on who u ask. the top 7 seems like consensus right now

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    IQ? Lol, oh..ok

  • Freddie food stamp

    Melo? Anybody?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ahh sh*t I forgot Marcus Smart. You are right

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well the player’s and coaches aren’t going to give up on the playoffs. but management can.

    management can be wrong, and make mistakes. but that doesn’t change the motivation. and the motivation, in Chicago, in to mail this season in, and reload for when Derrick Rose is back to 100%

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if you don’t know what you are talking about, sure.

  • Enigmatic

    Stacey, is that you?

  • Fat Lever

    I expected them to make the playoffs this year regardless, so seeing them struggle is concerning.

    Now, however, they have a teammate that has been to the playoffs 5 straight years and has been a major contributor to those playoff teams. By all accounts, Deng is also a good teammate, so hopefully he will bring some stability to the team and teach Kyrie some of the in’s and out’s of the league. I guess what I’m saying is intangibles.

  • danpowers

    i get the business side of the deal. i just think that most bulls fans requesting help for rose were never really aware of the great team he had/has around him and deng was a big part of this. IF the bulls fail to get a very big name this summer the same people will witness soon how much deng really meant to the teams’ success. a bunch of mediocore players wont make up for him, even though he wasnt really good at creating his own shot.

    so i wonder if it wouldnt have been better to get rid of somebody else and given some contracts around the league he was definitely worth a bit more than 10mil per year.

  • danpowers

    true, some very good players thrive in certain systems and then vanish into role-playerdom when traded somewhere else (shawn marion anyone?). but dengs strenght wasnt really creating his own offense or being the vocal points of his teams offense. guess guys like him are valuable for any team and any system, even if his per game stats decrease.

  • cgeorge22

    Ha no just a huge fan

  • Slick Ric

    End of an era in Chicago, good luck Deng.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    It’s pretty obvious that Chicago will just Waive Bynum and AMNESTY Boozer in the summer and then pursue Carmelo hard in free agency While as far as Cleveland goes they still SUCK Deng really not gonna have an impact on that team Kyrie still gonna do his thing and play selfish and chuck up shots and alienate his teammates in retrospect Kyrie should have stayed another year at Duke because Cleveland has become a nightmare for him #FREEKYRIE

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk if they actually will amnesty Boozer. I know that’s what they and everyone else is saying, but Jerry Reinsdorf (Chicago’s owner) is famous for not spending money on people that aren’t playing for the Bulls.

  • JoeMaMa

    There’s a bigger problem here of you’re a Bulls fans – the Bulls offered 30 mil for 3 to Deng. The Bulls know his market value was higher: he’s at 12-14/year, and better than Batum, Josh Smith, whoever in that range. What’s more, Thibs LOVED him, and made it abundantly clear that he wanted him back.

    So they lowballed one of their drafted/bred high quality/high character talents, who their coach loved, and who has several strong years ahead. I’m not really getting it.
    It doesn’t wash well here – it shows divisions between a great coach and management, and signals
    a lack of loyalty to a guy that was spread out on a hospital bed last playoffs,
    which other players pick up on. Yes yes, basketball is a business, but I’m not
    sure this is good business. Thibs will NOT lay down this year, and they still
    have enough pieces to make the playoffs in the East, where my RAPTORS are
    primed for a home court advantage. This moves just makes the team middle of the
    pack.

    A noted cheap big market team shows its colours again.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is 30 years old. he’s not worth more than $10M a season. All of those other guys are 28 or younger. Josh Smith being the oldest ….. and he just turned 28 a month ago.

    actually, offering him 3 years $30M when they had no idea what direction they’d go this summer was a huge risk. many people thought it was a foolish offer in the first place.

    and with that being said, Chicago can just resign Deng this summer.

  • 23

    Dont forget about the Duke connection

  • 23

    Why do you have Wiggins so high? I mean I’ve seen him play and he’s definitely special. but I think randle is a sure thing. Wiggins is a risky pick imo

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Randle is an undersized 4 who is already a bad defender with no shooting range. I didn’t put those in order, but Randle is definitely a bigger question mark

  • JoeMaMa

    They pissed off Thibs, and Deng won’t re-sign with the Bulls…has any traded player re-signed with the original team a few months later? I can’t think of anyone. Deng’s better than Josh Smith, easy. Smith’s a head case…and he can’t shoot. I shouldn’t disparage Smith, because he can do a lot, but if I’m starting a team, I take the unsexy pick in Deng every time.
    Anyway, if the Bulls want prime lottery spots, they’ll have to fire Thibs, because that man could coach a JV team to the East playoffs this year. They’ll fight, grind, and thump their way to a 6/7 seed, and likely lose first round. And again, Thibs really loved Deng. The Bulls should’ve made this happen. Deng scores, rebounds, defends, shoots, and plays team ball. He’ll be coveted.
    Let’s have a bet – Deng gets more than 10 mil/year this summer. Nothing on the line, just a friendly wager between two basketball fans. But it doesn’t count if he goes for a championship discount with the Heat.

  • Evan Boland

    Have you been watching any Wiggins? Seems so hesitant. So unsure of himself.

  • pposse

    didnt he get traded to denver and then gsw?

  • Evan Boland

    He’s 28.

  • pposse

    most logical bulls fans just wanted to see the team we had go into the playoffs at full strength which makes this all the more disapointing. Glue guys like Deng don’t get the credit they deserve from the fans, the money, etc. etc. Wish it were different…but yo we are coming after your boy Carmello believe it!

  • TriggaMan

    Where’s lillard? 1 in west? Irving # 11 in east lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    my bad, when he signs his new deal, he will be turning 30. i wasn’t thinking about how that came out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Smith at PF is better than Deng at SF. Smith at SF is worse, and should never ever happen. But as a PF he’s a better player. And he’s over a year younger.
    .
    The Bulls don’t want prime lottery spots, they want to rebuild without rebuilding. So giving away a season that is already gone is a win win situation. Even if they make the playoffs, they just couped 3 draft picks for the rights to a player that they weren’t going to keep past June.
    .
    oh hell no i’m not betting against Deng getting overpaid. He’s not worth more than $10M a year, that doesn’t mean he won’t get it. lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lillard is in Portland. Irving is in Cleveland. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why one team is good and the other is not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, sh*t my bad, totally forgot Marcus Smart

  • TriggaMan

    His basketball IQ. All the great players have. Lebron, Duncan. When to pass, when to shoot, have your team in the right spots not just ISO the whole play. He over drbbles, looks for his own shot off the pick and roll instead of the big man. You know things like that.

  • TriggaMan

    So your saying kyrie is better now than if he came into the league after a couple more years of college?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yep. playing a full NBA season at the highest level….while being paid to play basketball (not to go to class) > going to school because you have to, while splitting your attention, and only playing 1/2 as many games (at most).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the “great” players.
    .
    .
    if Kyrie stayed in school he would be one of those “great” players?
    .
    .

    so your argument is, logically, that you won’t be a “great” player unless you stay in college.
    .
    while using an example, who didn’t even go to college.
    .
    K

  • 2chainz

    he’s not worth 12-14m a year, those salaries are reserved for franchise players or superstars. for a guy that shoots jumpers and plays defense that is way too much money for any organization to pay him.

  • 2chainz

    They will amnesty him because the owner is known for being cheap and what’s the point for paying a guy so much money when he doesn’t do much for your team going forward. they need to start rebuilding and this seems like the way to go.

  • TriggaMan

    Lebron is the exception in every argument. Lillard went 4 years, he just looks more comfortable on the court. Its a hard case to argue the whole go to school or straight to the NBA argument. If he would of stayed at duke he would of been better. Look at his coach? He could of learned so much from coach k imo.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Because of a better team..Lillard hasnt carried them to the #1 spot..hes doing good tho, but i cant sit here and say Kyrie would have them in that same spot… we’re talking about individual players and their skills

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the only thing Lillard has done better than Kyrie Irving is shoot the basketball…..and Lillard is also 2 full years older.
    .
    at Kyrie Irving’s current age ….. Damian Lillard was still in college.
    .
    .
    comparing them, right now? doesn’t even sort of prove whatever point you are trying to make. you still have to wait a whole year before you can even compare Irving to Lillard…….as a rookie.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the owner still has to pay him after getting amnestied numb nuts.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    if they swapped places id portland wouldnt be as good

  • TriggaMan

    The blazers were like 13th in the west last year, same team except for mo and robin, so he has a better team now? Kyrie is a great talent he just could be so much better. If he used a more Chris Paul approach to the game. He would be top 5 or 6 imo. But he is not mature enough yet I don’t think.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok? they would still be good. and Cleveland would still suck.

  • 2chainz

    but it wont affect their salary cap position and many teams have amnestied players that don’t contribute. there is a reason the NBA instituted the rule in the CBA. it does not make sense either to pay him that money playing on a losing team so its a lose-lose situation anyways. just cut ties and rebuild smartly with younger more talented players.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    if they swapped places id portland wouldnt be as good trigggaaaaaa pow pow pow brrrrappp brrrapppp

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    nah lillards professionalism would gel will waiters no buddy ball… theyd be a better team not championship. u focus too much on qauntitaive not qualtiviative info

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ……..so you are saying the “cheap” owner will be more ok paying a max contract to a player that is helping a different team?

    ….you do realize he still has to pay up to 90% of the salary cap regardless right? so he has to fill in roster spots, even though it will be with guys who won’t make it past next season, just because he cut ties with another guy, who he decided to pay to go away.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    brrrraaappppppppppppppp triggaa nah its case by case d miles wouldnt have made the league if he went to college.some ppl game arent meant for college but straight nba

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why do i respond to you? i have no idea either.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    kyrie is shwotime minus the winning… the modern day tim hardaway

  • TriggaMan

    My point is from what real said duke would of benefitted him. NBA coaches don’t take the time to teach you just get sent to the d league. I think coach k could of taught him so much

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok

  • 2chainz

    why would Chicago re-sign him there relationship has been going south ever since they mishandled him in the playoffs.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    trigggggggggggggggggggaaaaaaa duke hurts pro players….. sean dockery demarcus nelson……….itsgood college but not pro development

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Thats a nice sob story about the hospice beds, but this is a business….Bulls would have to pay like $20M+ in tax penalties giving Deng the contract he wanted (12M/year for 3 or 4 years)….it happens, some moves have to be made with the future/finances in mind (I’m a COLTS fan, i know)….

    As far as competing, Bulls were ALREADY ‘middle of the pack’…. and they offered him 10 mill a year… this isn’t 2005 when awful contracts were handed out left and right…the Bulls have almost NOTHING to show for all the years Deng was on the team except ONE single Eastern conference Finals trip, in which they got stomped…not like he was bringing in championships or anything…

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    kyrie is shwotime minus the winning… the modern day tim hardaway

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    kyrie is shwotime minus the winning… the modern day tim hardaway swhuckkkk

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    NBA *head* coaches don’t take the time to teach you
    .
    Coach K …. also not taking the time to teach an individual much of anything.
    .
    Kyrie was the #1 pick in the draft. He makes millions of dollars a year.
    .
    You can trust that the Cavaliers are putting more resources into an asset they are paying millions to keep, then Duke did for an asset they knew wouldn’t last more than 4 years at very very most.
    .
    don’t be naive. the NBA is far better for player development. far far far better. College probably better for guidance in your personal maturation on the other hand. But for some reason, that argument, the one that makes sense, is rarely the one proponents of forcing people to go to college fall back on.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well i don’t think they will,
    .
    but hypothetically, they miss out on the FA that they were targeting, and they feel like they are a defensive “3″ with the ability to shoot away from a title? if they have the money? i don’t see why they wouldn’t at least pursue that option.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is the third time you have said this utterly ignorant comment.
    .
    Tim Hardaway reached the playoffs in 9 of 13 seasons. kindly, stfu.

  • 2chainz

    the cheap owner needs to realize that to compete with Miami he needs to rebuild.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSfFp37NAiU

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Im comparing their games plus hardaway never got a chip

  • pposse

    yup and he barely even played under coach K wasn’t he injured like half the season?!

  • danpowers

    dont you think rose and melo would somehow end up like melo and iverson back then?
    anyway, at this point im not so sure if this should concern me as a knicks fan or make me smile. at least the knicks wont win anything as long as he is the teams best player and it doesnt look like roster moves that would bring in a better player than melo are possible anytime soon.
    even though there will be alot of contracts off the books in ny quite soon i wonder if any top tier free agent would want to play for an owner like dolan. not easy being a knicks fan lol

  • pposse

    yeah at this point i’m convinced that no one really wants to play in NY way too much media way too much undeserved pressure and not great team management/ owner everything. When these guys still have some undying affinity for Isaaiah Thomas you gotta start to scratch your head. First thing NY needs is a top NBA level coach – Thibs would be perfect for that team imo, but i hope the knicks stop entertaining that thought.

    Difference with Iverson/Carmello and Rose/Carmello is the coaching and Rose is 10* more of a pg imo than Iverson ever was. When you got other guys to focus on, Carmello can be one of the nicest weapons in the game. I know the olympics shouldn’t be some sort of great sample but he was a killer playing alongside other stars.

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    At first I took your post about tanking as a shot fired to the Cavs but thinking about the Bulls now they are definitely swinging into rebuild mode…

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Fully agree Harvey. I wonder how he would look alongside the current Suns lineup?

  • Avery Smith

    Now theres room for Melo.

  • danpowers

    thibs on the knicks would be like dreams come true to a rattled fanbase like ours, and yes, if somebody other than doc rivers could educate spoiled brats like jr smith it would be a guy like him. but why should thibs do that to himself? there are quite some franchises with a better situation and i guess just very few of these would say no if he expressed interest. he is still in chicago anyway.

    you are right with that. still, melo for whatever reason seems to demand his iso plays for whatever reason. even on rare occasions when the knicks use him as a scoring option at the end of a play he is lethal – they just dont run these kind of plays that often. he even brings the ball up the court and goes one on five for whatever reason.
    guess even he would understand that this wouldnt make any sense at all alongside a guy like rose who is able to carry a whole teams offense by himself. after the desaster with stoudemires knees i wonder if melo would take the chance to team up with an injury prone franchise player again. we will see

  • guest

    You c*nt.

  • Justin

    Your mum goes to college

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He plays for Kansas. Let’s just say it’s not a very good environment for guys to show off. But I agree, in general he hasn’t shown out

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    thibs being there won’t change anything…………. You need players who are willing to ride for you…… Most knicks players aren’t joakin luol jimmy bulter

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    As Salamu Alaykum ikwa.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    The bulls need to free Ndudi Ebi. In high school i think he had a better game than luol deng. Maybe if he gets a shot he can contribute like luol deng

  • house

    I have always been a fan of Luol, he was my favourite player on the Bulls and I will really miss seeing him play on my Bulls. I wish him well.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    trade the boy rose for bledsoe while rose’s value is inflated. Trade noah for some picks.

    Bledsoe, Jimmy Butler, Jabari Parker, Cliff Alexander, Jahil Okafor with Tony Snell and Marquis Teague off the bench… That’s a dynasty in 7 years

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Rose isn’t coming back 100%. And once you take away the best role players around him like luol deng, joakim noah… he’s wont be producing the same team success…. The bulls are breaking up the squad.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Luol deng is a hooper……. Free the homeeeyy Ndudi Ebi.. The bulls need give him a shot

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    free Ndudi EBI

  • ThaSupremeKai

    Jesus- Kobes defense sucked too when he got into the league. Both Kyrie and Lillard will learn to play. It takes experience of playing against top players.
    Switch them and Portland would still be good and Cleveland bad. Cavs didnt have their real centre for most of the season but they will hit the playoffs now. Portland had Aldridge turn into a monster.
    Waiters at 6th man, Kyrie, Varejao and Deng should be enough to get them there with Detroit plummeting and Deng sure to play strong against Chicago, they ll be ok in their division games and maintain their pass with the rest.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well you need to learn to speak english if that’s what you meant to do. because you aren’t, at all, implying that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thank you sir

  • Mike Gilbert

    perfect hehehe Exum to Bulls confirmed

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  • brothasdontsurf

    Wow you are such an insightful troll actually

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    he’s a sick hooper but summer off season runs is where he makes his mark.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    he maybe a good nba player but what about a basketball player. Do you really believe Kyrie is top 100 in the world. Using the argument that the nba is the best league so if kyrie is top 100 he must be top 100 isn’t applicable.

  • house

    Mike, don’t you think that now we are possibly bad enough to get a top 7 pick given that our injury bug seems to be biting much more tenaciously this season, particularly given that it is happening much earlier than last season. Now with Deng gone I am fearful that missing the playoffs is going to happen. Deng in my eyes was a Scottie Pippen type glue guy, the type who, with the right kind of players around him, can effectively demand, (with his play) a higher effort from the players around him. But now with him gone, who does Thibs have to look to, to fulfil that role. Boozer? (LOL). Losing Deng leaves a HUGE whole to try and fill and now I am afraid that Thibs is gonna run our guys into the ground to help remain competitive. Deng was playing at an ALL-Star level, and now he is gone and I am sad. (sorry for the rant btw). Oh and I don’t think Thibs Is the tanking type either.

  • house

    If not more imo.

  • Mike Gilbert

    I agree with what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is, our guys make up a really well coached team, and well coached teams win games against superior talent. Did you see the win against the Suns. Players stepped up all across the board to beat a team that has been playing better than them this season. We won’t play like that every game, but I do think we will play like that enough to fall somewhere between 7-13. Which is actually still great considering we will likely have two 1st rounders in this super deep draft.

    Who do you think the Bulls should take in the draft? I’m most enamored with Dante Exum and Gary Harris

  • house

    Yeah you make fair points, and no I have only watched about 10 games this season because I don’t have access to an NBA feed as yet. Exum intrigues me as a possible choice because as a point guard where is he going to fall on the totem pole, particularly with come of the questions surfacing now about DRose’s durability and longevity. He obviously will be a development player but a guy that young, learning from the type of Coach that Thibs is can only be good for his immersion into NBA play. Maybe a future replacement for Teague, who I am really not that enamoured with. As for Harris, we already have an upcoming sg in Jimmy Buckets, (and also Snell) so I think in the short term, he will be trade bait. Both guys certainly have ability. But I could be wrong. Who really knows? One thing I do know however is that these Bulls players will run themselves into the ground for their coach who has done a great job at hammering home the message of them being accountable to themselves, and their teammates.

  • Mike Gilbert

    I think what you’re saying about Thibs is absolutely right. But I think a 2 guard would be a perfect fit, since Butler will be the 3 of the future.

    I really want Exum because he can play both the 1 and the 2. He can play off the ball as well, so him and Rose would be great next to eachother imo. He’d allow Rose to play off the ball more too

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