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Friday, January 17th, 2014 at 10:50 am  |  182 responses

Magic Johnson Blames Jim Buss’s Ego for the Lakers’ Woes

Turning once again to his favorite punching bag, Magic Johnson blasted owner Jim Buss for his stewardship of the struggling Los Angeles Lakers. Per the LA Times:

“This is what happens when you make the wrong decisions, two coaching wrong decisions, giving Steve Nash that deal, it’s backfired,” Johnson said. “The biggest problem they’re going to have right now … you’ve got to get a guy like Jerry West to be the face of the team. … You’ve got to have someone helping Jim. He’s got to quit trying to prove a point to everybody that he can do it on his own, get his ego out of it, and just say, ‘Let me get someone beside me to help achieve the goals I want.’ “

“You need to get someone like Jerry to be the face, so agents are comfortable, players are comfortable, knowing the Lakers are going for a championship. … Look what Pat Riley did in Miami,” referring to the former Lakers coach who built the current team featuring LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. If Pat Riley’s not there, you don’t get LeBron to buy in.” Johnson said that current Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak is doing a good job. “Mitch is great,” he said, “but he doesn’t have the power.”

Added Johnson: “Everybody’s telling me free agents don’t want to sign [with the Lakers]. … They’re looking at the Lakers now as a team that’s dysfunctional; who’s their leader, who’s the guy?”

“Dr. Buss was smart,” Johnson said. “He said, ‘I’m going to get the best dude, Jerry West, and he helped me achieve my goals. Then I went and got the best coach [Phil Jackson].’ He wanted to work with the best.”

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  • JJ Jones

    The only thing jim buss did wrong was hire mike dantoni. Just because things are bad for the lakersnow people tend to forget what he did do right. Got Chris paul but the trade was wrongfully cancelled and later acquired Steve Nash and dwight howard who EVERYONE agreed were championship acquisitions at the time. An unprecedented amount of injuries more than anything is why the lakers have been struggling the last two years. The revisionist history is getting old magic has always been a prisoner of the moment.

  • shockexchange

    No. In the Shock Exchange’s opinion, what has kept the Lakers afloat in the post-Magic era were “gifts.” Shaq, aka “The Big D’Brickashaw” ( http://clicky.me/7ngx ), left Orlando for LA because he wanted the synergy of playing in LA and acting in Hollywood … really. Then Memphis gifted Pau Gasol to LA in exchange for some trinkets.

    It’s totally naive for Magic to think the rest of the L will continue to be the Lakers’ farm system.

  • TTN

    Exactly….because the lakers don’t draft and develop players like (OKC, Portland, San antoino etc) other teams. They also can’t sign big time free agents like Miami or Houston, either. Reason being is because no current prime superstar is coming in to take a backseat to Kobe. Also in the past they have refused to pay guys like Ariza, Brown who would have continued to help the team. Pau helped bring those two titles and been sh/tted on by LA/Kobe several times over the years and took it. Shaq won’t having it that’s why he kool with getting out. Basically LA ain’t loyal to nobody by Kobe and now they suffering.

  • The Real

    As a fan you putting the spin on it man, the Chris paul debacle? ok the lakers got did in. The Nash and Howard acquisitions naw, no basketball mind saw that old ass team and thought title, it just sounded good on paper. Nash, 100 years old, could never defend not even a chair, and they in the west with Parker, Curry, Lillard, Westbrook etc. How were they going to over come that deficiency? Howard playing with Kobe? Never was supposed to work. Kobe dont mix well with other superstars for many reasons. The lakers won’t hurt the two years prior to the last two seasons when Dallas, OKC embarrassed them in the post season they should have switched things up dramatically then.

  • Cortez Mack

    “Then Memphis gifted Pau Gasol to LA in exchange for some trinkets.”

    Memphis traded for Marc Gasol. Did they [Memphis] just get extremely lucky and Gasol the Younger simply performed beyond all expectations?

  • shockexchange

    And after all the backtalk, the Shock Exchange stands corrected, It’s not “totally naive for Magic to think the rest of the L will continue to be the Lakers’ farm system.” Thank you for clearing that up Cortez Mack, aka “Two first names.”

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Exactly. The Lakers are spending 60 million this year on Kobe, Pau, and Nash. All 3 players are well passed their respective primes.
    Unless you’re signing LeBron, KD, and CP3 to play on the same team, there’s absolutely NO REASON why 3 players should be taking up that much of your salary cap.

    Also, Pau is 33 and has been playing professional basketball for 16 years, Kobe is 35 playing in his 18th season, Nash is a senior citizen, assuming limited minutes and constant injuries weren’t inevitable was just naive.

  • spit hot fiyah

    in his defense, most “experts” picked the lakers to win the west after those signings

  • spit hot fiyah

    they also got kwame’s expiring deal that freed up cap space to after randolph

  • shockexchange

    Yeah, “what he said.” That is all.

  • TTN

    Experts are just like us….fans….they think with emotion a lot of times too, they saw the 4* hall of famers and talked like Laker fans……this team they can win it all. Based off the names, That’s why I pay no mind to them, they dnt want to say a negative comment or speak the real on players and teams cause most of the cool with each other and they don’t want to step on toes.

  • ballislife

    Not gifts it’s was the fortitude of the lakers brass that lead shaq to greatness just like other will follow. The Gasol trade got Memphis their best player currently in which is Marc Gasol arguably the best center in the league and was under a rookie contract , so your reasoning and logic are once again framed to support your more than biased argument.

  • The Real

    Exactly what TTN said, I bet u Magic was one of those dudes saying the lakers was coming out the west too…

    Former player, homer, not being real with his expectations like a whole lot of Laker nation……

  • TTN

    Marc was a trinket in the beginng, they had no idea he was going to turn out the way he did, that’s one of the few times LA didn’t get over in a trade like they usually do.

  • JJ Jones

    Blowing games do to turnovers against okc is embarrassing? Most those games went down to the wire like I said revisionist history.

  • JJ Jones

    Exactly

  • shockexchange

    (i) “Lakers top brass led Shaq to greatness” – Shaq led an inexperienced Magic team to the finals. If that team had stayed together, they would have won several chips. In the Shock Exchange’s opinion, nobody was going to stop Shaq in his prime.

    (ii) Memphis got “Marc Gasol arguably the best center in the league and was under a rookie contract”, but the Lakers got Pau and 2 chips. Doesn’t seem like an even trade to the Shock Exchange.

  • ballislife

    While I agree with your points in your response it still does not make the deals uneven just because it worked out better for the lakers. Your forgetting the underlying factor and that is Kobe. The lakers drafted him so they did something right. No one was going to stop Kobe and shaq not just shaq. Just because history favored a particular franchise does not make it unfair.

  • LakeShow

    Every championship team in history has players “gifted” to them. By your loose definition.

    The current champs are one of the most “gifted” teams of all time.

    LeBron, Bosh, Allen etc… All “gifted” to the Heat.

  • JJ Jones

    Yeah but like I said was ANYONE calling jim buss an idiot then no.Truth is he had a plan get chris paul but it was cancelled so that obviously set them back.

  • shockexchange

    So you agree that it’s “Totally naive for Magic to think the rest of the L will continue to be the Lakers’ farm system” – a de facto co-sign for the Shock Exchange.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Magic Johnson is a f*cking idiot.
    ———————————————————————————————————–
    - last year

    “I love it. Jim, you look like your father; I’m proud of you. He’s definitely the guy now to win the NBA executive-of-the-year award.

    This is also so good for Coach Mike Brown. He knows defense so well and Dwight is going to erase those shots coming down the lane, and Mike will know just how to use him. The Lakers’ tradition of great centers continues. It’s just great.”

    - yesterday

    “This is what happens when you make the wrong decisions, two coaching wrong decisions, giving Steve Nash that deal, it’s backfired. …

    You’ve got to have someone helping Jim. He’s got to quit trying to prove a point to everybody that he can do it on his own, get his ego out of it, and just say, “Let me get someone beside me to help achieve the goals I want.”

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    Magic Johnson is an idiot.

  • shockexchange

    We finally agree on something. Nobody was going to stop Horry Jr, particularly when he was aligned with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L.” Boy, Horry Jr sure is being stopped now though.

  • LakeShow

    Very very much disagree.

    Any young player with talent to carry a franchise is going to want to go to Los Angeles to play in Hollywood just like Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West, Kobe, and Gasol all wanted to.

    To be in one of the most important cities on the planet while being a top athlete in a professional sport is very enticing to young guys.

    Plus with the Lakers brass showing that they will give insane contracts that don’t really make basketball sense to you at the end of your career after having a major leg injury if you can be the guiding factor in taking their franchise to the promise land like KB did 5 times is a good thing, not a bad.

    In addition. Kobe is on his way out, within 3 years or so. And he has shown a change in his demeanor about needing to be the Lakers #1 guy. He wants them to get a player to take the pressure off of him as his career comes to an end. Guys like Paul George, Carmelo, and Kevin Love have admitted to loving Kobe and they would love LA even more.

    So you’re right. The Lakers don’t use the draft as a farming system too much. But they always get their talent. Because… It’s The Lakers were talking about guys… The Lakers…. Ya know the team that was winning two chips in a row 4-5 years ago. And 3 in a row 8 years before that.

    Ya’ll make me laugh.

  • LakeShow

    I dunno…. Dwight would have wanted to stay if P-Jax was here… And Dwights a b*tch…

    D’Antoni is good considering we are a crap shoot right now.

    Yes, Magic is terrible at everything besides banging women, and basketball.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    most people had the Lakers going to the finals last pre-season actually. in fact, the Lakers finished with 30% of the preseason vote among the public about who was most likely to win the title. The only other team with more than 10% of the Vote was Miami (who had 40%).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    as has been reported numerous times, Dwight would have stayed if Kobe was not going to be retained at such a ridiculously high salary. (and Mike D’Antoni were fired)

  • LakeShow

    Yep. It was more than “on paper.”

    You have D’Antoni coaching his prized pupil who won two MVP’s under his tutelage. And Nash being notorious for being one of the most fit and conditioned “old guys” in the L.

    Kobe, who was showing very few signs of slowing down.

    Dwight, in his prime. Best center in the L coming off an injury most thought would be an after thought through the majority of the season.

    I mean NOW we can all act like “oh it was on paper they looked good”, but at the time it was very real that they would challenge the West crown.

    In addition, they still made the 7th seed while having the worse injury riddled season in recent Lakers memory, in a very tough Western Conference.

    Just had to get that out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah i totally agree. i had the Lakers losing in the finals last season, i was totally duped. i’ve only missed a handful of finals teams over the last few years, and last year the Lakers were one of them.

  • LakeShow

    That was after D’Antoni was hired that he started saying that.

  • LakeShow

    They never have been.

    Guys just want to play for the Lakers more than other squads.

  • LakeShow

    Celtics very arguably had more talent. And they did stop the Lakers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m just saying, i don’t think Phil would have been necessarily enough to keep him. he seems to understand how the salary cap works (or his agent explained it to him) and that LA is in a TERRIBLE position to compete immediately with how much Kobe is paid.

  • LakeShow

    You weren’t “duped” though.

    They legitimately would have at least made it to the West finals (most likely), if Dwight was more healthy and wanted to be there.

    Blake could have filled in well for Nash. He’s okay defensively and can hit shots and set up teammates.

    It’s only injuries that caused us to be “duped.”

    IMO

  • LakeShow

    I think you might be slightly underestimating the power of the Zen master. Dwight isn’t a Jedi, he can’t stop his mind tricks! lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk about the West Finals, if Westbrook were healthy, them and San Antonio might have been too much. oddly enough, i think we undervalued Phoenix’ medical staff, Steve Nash is not a shell of the player he used to be. Which we probably should have figured out when Phoenix played him so minimally despite him being by far their best player that last season.

  • shockexchange

    So should Jim Buss be criticized because the star players of other teams no longer want to play for LA? That’s sort of the point of the article.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    hahah well i am sad we can’t find out. i wish D’Antoni was more flexible, i was also duped by him.

  • The Real

    U didn’t watch the series then, because I remember seeing LA getting outplayed and Harden, Durant trash talking Kobe a lot. Those turnovers u speak of came from Kobe.

  • TTN

    i knew you would disagree Lakeshow, blinded by love to end. You just like Magic when it’s good its great for u and the nation when it’s bad u got find folks to blame and it’s never the right folks this you/laker fans…….Kobe was hurt…….Dwight left……DAntoni was coaching. Kobe has been healthy and they have sucked. If Dwight stayed you would be loving him and blaming him during struggles like everybody do Pau, and when they sucked with Phil Jackson what was you saying?

    Because of the type of fan u are I don’t read your posts when its about the lakers or kobe cause u so biased it’s ridiculous. U can be a fan but don’t be a real/open minded one.

  • TTN

    This right here sums up your knowledge of the lakers and basketball history. It’s well known that the Lakers have always fleeced other teams for their players in trades, give em nothing and take everything. Anybody that know basketball history know this and this is supposed to be your team, your screen name, be for real. Dwight didn’t want to play there, he wanted NJ, Pau didn’t ask, neither did Chamberlin, Jabbar, im going to leave it up to you to look up who they gave up for these players.

  • TTN

    Kobe the last player they have had since day one of the draft, kept and developed. And that’s part of why they at where they at. Sh/t rough now they don’t have trading chips and nobody want to sign there.

  • The Real

    Magic just in love with the Lakers like a lot of People and it causes him to say stupid irrational sh’t. I can’t blame him for his love but as for his basketball knowledge he shoulda known better.

    He wasn’t the only one talking finals. I live in Cali ( not from here so not a fan) thats all I heard. I remember hearing females that I know didn’t know/care sh’t about basketball say we got Nash like that was going to bring the title.

  • TTN

    The way the Lakers handle basketball operations and a combination of things set them back.

    Like- not using draft picks wisely or at all since Kobe, spending a lot of money on Kobe, Gasol Artest, etc,. Letting core guys from their title teams go get paid elsewhere. Relying free agents and trades to stay revelvant. Number of things.

  • LakeShow

    Were you talking while the Lakers were winning multiple chips in a row twice over the last decade+, or do you just talk when times are rough for teams you’re biased against?

    Okay cool…That’s what I thought.

    Your best quote: ” Kobe has been healthy and they have sucked”

    lol…. what? Kobe’s been healthy? hahahhaa

  • bike

    Awww Magic, just shut up already. LA will be back just like the Swallows of Capistrano. The Dwight Experiment didn’t work out and injuries put LA where they are right now. It’s Los Fuc*in Angles for crisssake!; Bright lights! Big City! Fuc*in Hollywood! Beautiful Babes! Big Money! Movie Stars!
    .
    It’s a friggin speed bump. LA will be back. Give it a little time, Earvin. You are overthinking…err, rather underthinking this.

  • LakeShow

    I can’t take someone with such a poor grasp of basketball and the English language with any seriousness, sorry.

    “Kobe the last player they have had since day one of the draft, kept and developed. And that’s part of why they at where they at. Sh/t rough now they don’t have trading chips and nobody want to sign there.”

    WHAT? lol…

  • LakeShow

    “The way the Lakers handle basketball operations and a combination of things set them back.”

    Then you proceed to mention the three most important pieces to our 2-peat as the reason why the suck…LOL

    DUDE!

    You’re struggling….

    Pau, KB, and Artest are the three most important pieces to their 2nd chip.

    We aren’t too sad they let Bynum, Ariza, and Shannon Brown go sorry bud…

  • The Real

    That’s because a lot of people have some bias or emotional connection to their decisions.

    Anyone thinking right would have figured Kobe alone can’t get it done that’s been proven. Gasol hurt and slowing down, same for Artest, Nash old as hell in a guard heavy conference/league. Nash a point guard who like to hold the ball till the right moment playing with a ball dominate Kobe.not working. Dwight hurt and playing in a system with a coach known for not playing inside out. DAntoni decent coach but has his ways/system. That system won’t work with this old group. The lakers have done this before and barley failed but still failed( signed Malone, Rice, Payton, rodman for title runs). and their is usually a gelling period.

    I’m saying for those that know the game and have a unbiased opinion it’s no way u looked at that team and said they coming out of the west.

  • The Real

    U forgot to add he is a superb businesss man….

  • Busta213

    I get that LA has a more storied NBA history, but Knicks fans were pulling the “important city” card for years but remained irrelevant basketball-wise for a while.

    What has changed about Kobe that would make people think he is ready to move aside for someone else? The DH debacle and the recent salary dont indicate that kind of mentality.

  • robb

    lol

  • BE.water

    In all of his 27 years of existence, BEdot has never heard of anybody with the first name “Mack” besides Mack Brown @ Texas.

    Therefore, “Two first names” does not quite apply and the Shock Exchange stands corrected for a second time.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, I was being facetious.

  • BE.water

    People never really mention how the Lakers always pick like 27-30, but are expecting them to find a GEM in the draft every year right? Who gets drafted that low in the draft and is kept around to develop? nbk, that’s your cue. I need the #’s. haha.

    The Lakers will always be a premier destination for NBA players.

  • LakeShow

    Chris Paul was seriously thinking of the the NYK’s, before the Lakers traded for him. Carmelo was the 3rd best SF in the L. Tyson just came off of taking the Mav’s to the promised land and was considered to be one of if not the best defensive center in the L when the Knicks went and got him. Amare was a top 3 PF coming to the Knicks.

    The Knicks were quite desirable despite the chaos.

    What would change about KB?
    The fact that he is gone in 2 years.

    No one blames LA for Dwight Howard’s inept ability to choose what he wants in life.

    I just can’t see why LA would all the sudden not be desirable.

  • LakeShow

    LMAO

  • LakeShow

    OH lookie here! A guy with his head on his shoulders.

  • LakeShow

    Would you stop thinking like a practical, intelligent person.

    The Lakers will be bottom feeders just like the Bucks for eternity!

  • shockexchange

    Have the Lakers taken those “Dwight Stay” billboards down yet?

  • you’reasillyguy

    Your grammar sucks too man don’t be a douche.

  • ballislife

    Well they have been winning championships so it’s a little hard to draft adequate talent. When they were in the top ten they drafted Bynum and he landed them Dwight. The lakers are definitely on a free fall to rock bottom. It happens to every franchise and especially with the new CBA it is going to take time to rebuild.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nobody thought Kobe was doing it alone.
    .
    Everyone knew Nash and Gasol had slowed down considerably, but they were still, with all the evidence we had, very very above average NBA players.
    .
    Dwight was reportedly healthy. Nobody knew he was still that unhealthy when he came back. All information we had was that he would not return unless he was at 100%.
    .
    I don’t think you quite understand what i’m saying….it’s not that “some random people” thought the Lakers were going to compete for a title. It’s the vast majority of everyone.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2012/story/_/id/8517051/2012-13-nba-predictions-nba-champion
    .
    http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2012/story/_/id/8517161/2012-13-nba-predictions-western-conference-champion

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/20737434/cbssportscom-2012-2013-nba-playoff-predictions

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/10/28/nba-preview-2012-13-crystal-ball/

    —————————————————————————-

    to say i don’t believe that you and a select group of people who “don’t have a bias and know the game better” knew they didn’t have a chance would be an understatement.

  • ballislife

    Your point actually proves my point. Just because at the time Marc Gasol was undervalued does not change the fact the trade actually was pretty even, given the fact that Jerry west is a genius and probably knew that Marc was better than he was being valued at the time.

  • shockexchange

    MacArthur? No? Or have you outshocked the Shock Exchange?

  • LakeShow

    Naw not really. My grammar is very legible. Which is the important part.

    People being able to understand what you are saying is the key element to grammar. I don’t care if you misspell or don’t use comma’s correctly, but make it legible.

    If I can’t even get what you are trying to say, that’s a problem.

    I screw up, because I type fast, and a lot, but you can tell that my cerebral cortex is intact.

  • JJ Jones

    True but my point is that every organization makes mistakes this man pulled off what was perceived to be three blockbuster trades in the span of a year. U can’t just be a prisoner of the moment.Whose to say that he won’t someone snag kevin love or Carmel its happened before and its almost always unexpected.

  • LakeShow

    They were up for like a week. Such a half assed attempt to get him to stay. So glad too… It would suck so much to have Dwight on the Lakers the more I look at it.

  • LakeShow

    What players don’t want to play for the Lakers? Like 2? lol

  • JJ Jones

    Thats not what people were thinking AT THE TIME. Its easy to look back and say that now but last year jim buss was looking like a genius. Like I said EVERYONE had the lakers facing the heat in 2013 but the whole damn team ended up in suits by the end of the year how is that jim buss fault. Even this year the laker looked decent until their three point guards went down. And before you scream age Jordan farmer and jordan hill aren’t old.

  • LakeShow

    Your problem is you are viewing it logically.

  • LakeShow

    “(ii) Memphis got “Marc Gasol arguably the best center in the league and was under a rookie contract”, but the Lakers got Pau and 2 chips.”

    It’s almost as if Kobe was the MVP and best player in the L or something… I know it’s hard for a guy who can’t understand basic basketball to understand.

    If KB was in Memphis with Marc and Z-Bo they would have chips too.

  • LakeShow

    I love the clairvoyance everyone has today on things that happened years back lol.

    Wow, ya’ll are so smart, you know today that the Lakers could not have made the Finals last year! Bravo!

  • JJ Jones

    Yeah so how many of those teams that “build throughout the draft” have won recently? Paulis being shorted on because his poor play,lack of defense and sense of entitlement. Phil Jackson smacked this p**sy in the chest for a reason. U want to blame the lakers struggles on jim buss on jim buss blame davI’d stern who cancelled the chris paul trade.

  • TTN

    Lakeshow u so stupid I can see u doing time in jail for the lakers/kobe…….u probably woulda took the wrap for Kobe in that Colorado rape case if he or lakers asked u too huh?

    U being an ass you wouldn’t realize that those three reasons that were the answer got figured out/old quick and the rest of the league caught up like the Mavs, OKC and the Spurs (and almost every team in the regular season they been playing since that last “chip”) and started sending them packing from the playoffs early.

    I’m not a lakers fan so u got no reason to tell me sorry. Sorry is what the lakers have been since 2010. Stop saying WE like your on the team.

  • shockexchange

    Horry Jr would’ve thrown Marc and Z-Bo under the bus also.

  • Lloyd

    A lot of people thought the Lakers contenders that season based off that roster. Many thought Dwight would be able to pick up some of the slack for Nash’s defense, and that Kobe would at least be civil with Dwight because he prioritized that 6th chip he’d do almost anything for. Problem for them is that health, chemistry, and luck are huge components to winning championships, and the Lakers weren’t able to get any of those that season.

    It was just like a lot of people projecting the Nets to be top 3/4 in the East this season based off their roster. I mean they’re turning it around and will probably sneak into the playoffs, but so did the Lakers that season.

  • Lloyd

    Most moves Buss has made before Dwight’s season with the Lakers were seen as good moves though. It’s just in retrospect that they’re mistakes because they didn’t work.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s that he’s directly contradicting himself. not that he thought the lakers would make the finals. everyone thought the Lakers would be competitive last preseason. you can lie and say you knew, but you didn’t. nobody knew that team would suffer the injuries they did.
    .
    the most anyone did was predict that Mike Brown’s “Princeton” offense wouldn’t mesh with the roster. Because the people that do know what a Princeton offense is, knew what types of players flourished under it. If you really want to be specific about what it was that the “educated” basketball community predicted wouldn’t work for the Lakers.

  • Lloyd

    Nobody predicted Marc Gasol turning out like he did. Everyone thought the Lakers completely robbed the Grizzlies on that deal. The Grizz just got extremely lucky and Marc Gasol got really good while Pau continually deteriorates (though he served his purpose on those championship teams). But regardless, the trade was fair in retrospect, but grossly in favour of the Lakers at the time.

  • JJ Jones

    Games 2-4 I suggest u actually rematch what happened

  • The Real

    Some people like LAKESLOW will tell u Kobe was/can do it all alone.

    Very very above average ? They were not at this point in there careers, their names maybe not games or health.

    No he wasn’t 100%. it was well documented that he was slightly rushing back and using the regular season to play himself into shape. then he hurt his shoulder early on. So with all this u still thought they were headed to the finals?

    Not to mention they dropped every game in the preseason so if u knew all this and still have the lakers coming out the west your as bad as Lakeshow with your aspirations.

    I don’t think u understand what I’m saying I don’t care what experts, ESPN, or Los Vegas say. it’s a certain rationale u have to use with the game even if your a fan of a certain team or player. So there are people who think the game through and all its variables. Just because u and some experts are unable to do so doesnt reflect on anybody but u all. Just because u all the experts agreed don’t make it the wise or the correct decision.

  • Lloyd

    It’s easy to love a great basketball player when you’re not forced to be his teammate though, especially one who historically has a bad reputation as being difficult to play with. Realistically, any star that goes there is competing with Kobe for shots/leadership/team focus.

    Do you see the Lakers winning while Kobe is still there? I don’t think any guys are willing to waste a couple of seasons of their short-lived NBA primes waiting for Ol’ Man Mamba to ride off into the sunset. That’s the biggest reason why Dwight left. He thought he could change the team’s mind and get them to invest in him moving forward, but now he, and all other superstars know better.

    The franchise will land on it’s feet eventually, it always does due to the factors you said, but I don’t see it happening in the next couple of seasons.

  • The Real

    Aren’t u always?

  • LakeShow

    Negative. Not always. About 12% of the time roughly.

  • LakeShow

    Sure, after two chips in a row.

  • TTN

    I doubt it, West saw height and just the 48th pick in the draft,

    on top of the fact that lakers have never traded away any player worth anything to that point and after to ME means they thought they were getting over , but he actually panned out. They would have never knowingly given up a potentially all star/defensive poy center, who is younger then what they were receiving, even if they were trying to win right away.

  • shockexchange

    Why doesn’t he do it now then? He had Pau Gasol / Rent-A-Center at the same ___ time last year. Oh wait … that destroys your argument. His bad.

  • ballislife

    I’m done. Your argument is baseless and full of personal opinion and speculation. Not one word of what you said is confirmed. However, what is factual is that that Memphis got arguably the top center in the game and got loads of cap space for Randolph. Those are facts.

  • LakeShow

    Kobe has never been 35+ years old and coming off a major surgery. His alpha dog status has come while he’s been an alpha dog. He isn’t anymore. I think he recognizes it. He took a proportionate amount of shots when he came back. The most he took was 18 and he made 9 of them that night.

    I don’t think he’s mentally handicapped.

    I’m sure he understands he isn’t “that guy” anymore.

    He would hand the reigns over if it was deserving. IMO

  • LakeShow

    I think he’s in a hospital bed bud. lol! Kinda hard to take teams to the chip while in the hospital…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ……oh dear,

    1) wrong, Lakeshow is irrational about the Lakers, but not nearly that irrational.

    2) http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2012&p2=nashst01&y2=2012 —> above average, very much so.

    3) Dwight Howard – “I’m still trying to regain strength,” Howard told the Lakers’ team website. “I’m not playing until I’m 100 percent. Just because I’m doing drills with the team or running up and down, it doesn’t mean I’m ready to play in a game. There’s a difference between running up and down and being actually out there battling. When I’m 100 percent and able to go, then I’ll go.”

    ^ was repeated by members of the Lakers organization. All information we had from the team was that they would not risk playing him unless he was 100%

    4) do you remember that preseason or nah? were they supposed to mesh right away? did all of their players play in every game? regardless, i didn’t mean after the pre-season, i meant before the season in general (preseason = before the season) everyone had the Lakers competing. Normally people make their predictions before the literal preseason even starts.

    5) tell me, guy who knows basketball so well, who is going to be in the finals this season? who will be healthy, who won’t be? who will like each other? did you predict the 2004 Lakers wouldn’t make the finals? how about the 2008 Celtics? pardon me for being blunt, frankly i think you are lying. and would you please point me to this portion of the all knowing basketball public who didn’t have the Lakers as at least competitive? i’d like to see one example out of your contingent of basketball geniuses.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ^ false.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is ridiculous….are you seeing the nonsense this “the real” guy is talking about

  • Lloyd

    Which part? Marc Gasol being predicted to be the future DPOY and contributing to a Grizzly team more than his brother ever did?

  • Lloyd

    He’s not mentally handicapped at all. He’s just proud and actually believes he’s still capable of being an alpha dog. He’s stated before that he’ll walk away before he stops being an elite player. Problem is, he genuinely still believes he will be.

    I don’t think the small sample of games of his return are a good indicator of a change in mentality/game. He was still working his way back.

  • TTN

    Yeah I was talking, and i still am……..If I’m not a fan I’m not a fan, for example, Heat are on top now and I’ve never been fan there for I’m not on now.
    I’ll tell u right now the Heat are small and lucky to get by on it last year and should pray for a trade this year to POSSIBLY 3 peat…..u see that that’s the truth and I like Lebron and some other heat players but that’s reality so I can’t cover that up but U dont operate in that world u cloud sh’t to favor or excuse YOUR team.

    What happened with the suns series? He was healthy then, what his finger? Or the last few seasons he been on the court playing and they still suck. But let u tell it he rolled and ankle or stubbed a toe he’s not 100% everybody hurts during a season dude. Accept that he can’t do it alone.

    U remind me of people who jump on the bandwagon and ride it till it fall apart based on previous success. U probably became a fan during that 3peat or 2 peat didn’t u? That would explain why u don’t know sh’t about the team.

  • shockexchange

    You mean to tell the Shock Exchange that an article about the Lakers digressed into a convo about Horry Jr? SE finds that hard to believe.

  • TTN

    What? Go put a shirt on. Who is paulis? And What poor play are speaking of? I know u not sayin what u trying to saying about CP, CP playing poor, Phil smacking pu$$ys what is that? Get ya self together man really?

  • Najee Fareed

    magic johnson is a porn star name but he uh is right despite his flippy floppiness

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    there are people who predicted Gasol would turn out comparable or even better than Pau. And there are people who saw the benefit in that trade for Memphis from the jump.
    .
    that trade gained them Marc Gasol and like $15 million dollars to spend on a free agent.

  • 2chainz

    Paul George and Carmelo are not going to LA. PG has a good situation in Indiana and Melo is not leaving $30 million off the table to join a team, coach, and player that are not/is not very good anymore. Maybe you have a chance with Kevin Love but the future is not certain to make that kinda prediction. Don’t forget the Lakers were irrelevant for pretty much all of the 90′s and it seems to be happening again this era.

  • 2chainz

    true

  • TTN

    yeah right if that was true they would be good now.

  • JJ Jones

    He always does this lol.

  • TTN

    Unless it’s by trade I dont see It, love maybe, Carmelo not going there to take abackseat and less shot to Kobe.

  • Lloyd

    Yea it was a trade based on “ifs” for the Grizz. The Lakers got a bonafide, proven elite big, the best Grizzly in franchise history at the time and unloaded Kwame Brown (haha) for basically prospects and cap room (there was no guarantee that Marc could translate his game to NBA success). They also managed to keep Odom and Bynum while doing all this.

    The Lakers got 3 straight finals appearances and 2 championships as a direct result of this trade. The Grizzlies eventually happened to get good on the back of an emerging Marc. It worked out kind of evenly long term, even though the Grizzlies haven’t won anything yet, but it was definitely a steal at the time it happened. There’s a reason this is considered one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history haha

  • Lloyd

    …what? Even they were considered good moves at the time, they didn’t work out. If they had worked, they’d be good moves and the Lakers would be good now…in RETROSPECT they’re considered bad moves because of the unpredictable results.

  • Lloyd

    Completely agree. Still pretty baffled that they went with D’Antoni when PJax was willing to make a return. I don’t know how much difference it would have made since all the injuries you mentioned would most likely be there, but it definitely would’ve been helpful. In retrospect, I’m sure the Zen Master is glad that Jim Buss chose D’Antoni over him though…saved him having that season as part of his legacy!

  • JJ Jones

    Pau gasol my phone is g litching up and whats up with the personal insults?

  • TTN

    Oh dear? Anyway….I typed up a paragraphs of responses and IPad refreshed before i could submit so not retyping it.

    Bottom like you and a lot for guys on here over think sh’t to much or are such big fans u won’t see the truth<—sorry to be frank…..this what Me and some others do
    Rational thought:
    Can a 40 year old broken and repaired Nash, help propel the Lakers to the finals with Westbrook in OKC, Parker in San antoino, CP3 in LA not only in the western conference but the NBA, not no but hell no. To me that's no hard to figure out and certainly not irrational.

  • JJ Jones

    Any idiot can see that this gasol has checked out after back to back championships. For all of kobes faults at you know that he’s putting in the effort to win every game Pau has not he was called out by his own athletic trainer for not playing due to a damn cold. If u think that this man doesn’t deserve criticism then u have no idea what if talking about.

  • TTN

    Which is what my point is they did this based off names and past accomplishments, and not the current state of the players and teams and coach, that’s wishful thinking.

    Based off what I seen before and know of, no I wouldn’t pick the nets or lakers with added names to get to the finals, knowing it’s a gelling period, coaching job and injuires to add into that, the injuries can’t be predicted but when was the last time a newly assembled big name team won it all? Miami couldn’t do it, and that Miami team was way better than what the lakers last year coulda hoped for

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    When was Nash broken? Even the nonsense you are implying is proving that you are referencing what happened after the season already began. A month into the season most people knew they weren’t really contenders, it became clear pretty immediately. But We aren’t talking about what became obvious after Nash broke his shin, and Dwight was clearly unhealthy. We are talking about what we knew before the season began, the Lakers just grabbed the best Center in the league, and a PG who while obviously passed his peak, was still the one of the most efficient offensive players in the NBA and was still very productive albeit in a smaller portion of minutes. But thanks for trying to be frank about what you “knew”
    My question is, why do all of you people who claim to have read the future in 2012 keep referencing Nash as the reason people thought LA would compete? They had 2 top 10 players, Nash was neither of them. And those 2 were the main reason people thought they could compete. Would you elaborate why Nash being old and bad at defense is how you knew you were correct? It’s not like Nash was overmatched by premiere point guards just all of the sudden…that has been his MO his whole career, yet he’s won more than all of them that are not from France.

  • The Real

    Suggest u put a shirt on and recognize real……

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So 2011, when Jason Kidd was the PG on a championship team…..what was your prediction then? How about this season, who is going to win and why? Let’s actually see you predict something before it happens, rather than say you did so a year later.

  • Lloyd

    Judging a player off their proven performance is more reliable than predicting off potential. Prime example? Anthony Bennett.

    Boston. That Lakers team that consisted of Payton and Malone made it to the finals their first year together. Miami made the finals their first year and could’ve won it all, then they’ve won for the next 2 years. If you assemble an all star team, you’re more likely to have an all star performance.

  • JJ Jones

    Yeah nobody wants to be a laker that’s why chris paul almost filed a lawsuit right aftercdavid stern nixed the trade whatever u say

  • LakeShow

    Yep that is what I said: “Carmelo and Paul George are coming to LA”

    Oh wait… NOPE, not even close. Here let me help you bud.

    CONTEXT:

    Some guy wrote: “Reason being is because no current prime superstar is coming in to take a backseat to Kobe.”

    To which I replied:

    “Guys like Paul George, Carmelo, and Kevin Love have admitted to loving Kobe and they would love LA even more.”

    So yep. I said they are coming to LA….

    Moron.

    “Don’t forget the Lakers were irrelevant for pretty much all of the 90′s”

    Everyone was irrelevant that wasn’t named Michael Jordan during the 90′s.

  • LakeShow

    Oh shoot you got caught making up irrelevant information again and have to change the subject….

    This has been a shocking exchange.

  • LakeShow

    So much ignorance.

    I dismiss you.

  • JJ Jones

    That the point nobody saw the gasol trade coming or the chris paul trade you never know. Itsc funny last year everyone was calling the lakers the Yankees and now they’re “poorly run because of a couple of bad years my god.

  • LakeShow

    Personal insults…

    Here I’ll help you. I Googled:”why do people resort to insults in debates?”

    And the first thing that showed up was this:

    “Most often when people resort to calling names it is because they have no valid argument left.”

    No prob.

  • JJ Jones

    Your making too much sense.

  • LakeShow

    Very well said.

    I projected the Net’s as a top 3 or 4 team this season.

  • LakeShow

    I can’t keep up with all the non-sense…. It’s everywhere.

  • JJ Jones

    Lol that’s all u have to say just admit u were wrong instead of looking like an a**hole.

  • LakeShow

    LOL,

    NOBODY can do it alone you weirdo…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol I’m trying, I hate this “me and my people are superior to you” bullsh*t. Really gonna call experts and the rest of the basketball watching public uninformed while you have been gifted some advanced basketball perception? Nah, that’s not gonna fly without something better than just an opinion.

  • TTN

    Honestly I didn’t read all your sh’t cause u really don’t make sense anymore and its long.

    Nobody here claimed to be a physic I simply said based on the coach, his style, known injuries, old personnel and ADDED PEICES, the year prior, and the fact that this has been tried before and not worked out for not only the lakers but heat recently, the Lakers would not make it in the west, that is not hard to understand. Just because u and a lot of others looked like fools with that pick, does not mean everybody else that didn’t is lying about their pick or claiming to be physic. I thought u were a sensible dude but I not understanding this is telling to me. I’m serious I can’t beleive that u thought that because a good amount of people thought the lakers would go to finals that the free world had to buy in, u can’t be serious?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol

  • JJ Jones

    Lol he has no idea what he’s talking about.

  • LakeShow

    YOU don’t make sense nbk.. YOU

    The guy that uses complete sentences and makes some attempt to make yourself understandable while using facts and a realistic timeline as your metric….

    You… Not he.

  • LakeShow

    Hindsight… It’s so clear haha.

  • LakeShow

    I’ve gathered that much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yep, I didn’t make it past that point. You really going to argue with a point you admittedly didn’t read? Are you purposefully admitting that you don’t have the mental capacity to carry out a real discussion on purpose?

  • LakeShow

    I believe that is exactly what has transpired here.

  • TTN

    What proven performance has Bennett had? None, seeing as he only played one year in college. And 9.5 guys in the NBA are being drafted off potential, size and age not proven performance.

    Not true about the all star teams a lot of teams look like them now. OKC with Durant, Westbrook and Harden did and they didn’t win. The spurs have had 3 big names haven’t won, lots of teams have all star type players and don’t win. That’s because it’s nit only about the names it’s role players, coaches, etc.

  • robb

    not Camelo, please not Carmelo

  • TTN

    It’s also well known Nash has been broke up, the phoenix training has been raved about for getting him back straight. Which is why u always see him laying on the sideline and not sitting, he’s been unhealthy for years, even before he left Dallas its a post here where mark Cuban talks about how he didn’t resign him because he didn’t think he would last. so stop acting like with all the links and research u do that u don’t know this.

    I dont dislike Dwight but what really makes Dwight the best center in game? His defense that’s it, otherwise we would be saying MGasol or a healthy Bynum or healthy Lopez maybe. With that being said stop acting like the lakers added young shaq, Dwight is good but the point in me saying all this is the lakers didn’t add the best thing at every position to an ready made playoff team. U know a championship team needs pieces, or specialist. Like shooters, hustle men, back up PGs etc, the lakers had all this? No. Coupled with that and the past few years it’s not unlikely for people to see them as a playoff team not finalist. So u saw Brooklyn as finalist then? Even with the why the pacers played last two post seasons?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Considering you won’t read this because you admittedly can’t read….I’ll just waste my time
    Nash’s back is not what kept him from playing last season lol, you are referencing an irrelevant injury for what reason? Phoenix’ staff taught him how to manage his back. And until the nerve damage he suffered in November of this season it had been a non factor. Next time you say a player is “broken” make sure it actually applies to what you are talking about.

    If you don’t understand how Dwight (when healthy) was the best center in the NBA going into 2012 that pretty much says everything about your knowledge on this subject as needed to be said. You can keep arguing, but I’m done.

  • TTN

    That’s smart, no sh’t, it would a good move if I bought a lotto ticket and I hit the hit numbers, but a wasted dollar if I don’t right?

    Just cause the lakers tried to bring in big names don’t mean it was right, they bought in the wrong types of players u realize all players don’t play well in every system. Like Nash in a system were he just gives it up to Kobe and stands back wouldn’t be Nashs game would it? or Dwight playing with outside in system? Or one of the oldest teams in the league trying to play in a get out and run system? U haveto have the right guys to execute.

  • TTNs

    situations are not the same. Think of Carmelo, do u think the NY will trade him after all they gave up and a good chance he might stay in his home state during free agency? Teams will get u out when they feel strongly u will bolt come the summer. Melo ain’t out right said that yet he leaving, I know he said he will test it but,do u think he would sign in LA on his own with old Kobe occupying his prime, no other attractive pieces, and losing just as worse as in NY? But things change like u said never know.

  • JJ Jones

    He’ll no I’m just using him as a big name example. The point is that when the lakers want someone most of the time they do get them that’s all

  • TTN

    B*tch nobody said anything about me and my people know more , everybody ain’t lakers fans like u Lakeshow and JJ jones. Just cause u stupid hoes and some commentators thought LA was gone win it all dont mean sh*t. So called experts and commentators are fans and like who they like to, so for y’all to rely on what they said that’s your fault u disappointed. NBK yo b*tch a$$ is to busy rely in what a article said that ain’t the gospel. That’s why y’all don’t know nothing cause u listening to everybody telling u LA going to be good. Ask a heat fans was the lakers winning last year, ask a OKC fan was la winning they gone tell u hell no. The same way u thought la was gone win same way others thought their team was make sense? Dummies. Talk about facts u ain’t presented me with sh’t but your opinion to try to prove your point

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Did I say your name? Did I reply to you? Did I say you said those things? Sensitive ass reaction. You ok? You think people read your nonsense when you say the stupid sh*t you say? Get to this point and stop reading. Wasting your time just like you did with whatever you said in that comment if you didn’t. .
    Goodnight puddin.

  • The Real

    The last time somebody called u gay and a faggot you almost cried. Don’t go there, the last time u engaged in verbal sparring u tried to turn the forum against a guy cause u couldn’t handle it.

    It was a month ago and I remember cause the guy slayer u he wrote a perfectly grammatical post on why u were gay and your only comeback was- Lakeshow-why are u calling me gay so much , guys we have a homophobe here in 2013. Remember that? So kick back on the gay jokes before u get your feelings hurt.

  • JJ Jones

    C armelo turns 30 this year. Superstars hating playing with kobe is overblown. Shaw left . Because he healed on company time and the lakers didn’t want to pay not because of the myth that kobe ran him out of town. As for dwight kobe tried to get him more shots through the Princeton offense but that was discarded in 4 games not kobes fault. Dwightvdidnt leave because of kobe he left because of entitlement, criticism, and pressure he’s a proven cancer. Like I said before chris paul almost filed a lawsuit when he realized that he wouldn’t get to pair up with kobe

  • The Real

    If u didn’t watch the game or don’t remember what u want me to tell u? I already told u the error of yo hoe a$$ ways, up to u to fix it.

  • LakeShow

    You swore too much in your post below.

    Here I’ll post the part you can post for you.

    “The Real” @ 5:10pm Pacific time:

    “It was a month ago and I remember cause the guy slayer u he wrote a perfectly grammatical post on why u were gay and your only comeback was- Lakeshow-why are u calling me gay so much , guys we have a homophobe here in 2013. Remember that? So kick back on the gay jokes before u get your feelings hurt.”

    It was just too impressive of a post to let forever go into the internet abyss. lol

  • TTN

    No current superstar anyway, that’s why they playing with scraps right now and dudes that can’t stand up and talk for themselves like Pau that’s why he get sh/tted on all the time.

    Kobe have to play with a dude that’s going to let him be the man still, take a lot of shots, and a lot of money, who is going to do that? Love maybe but idk.

  • TTN

    LakeShow u such a b*tch I hate when u do that. When dudes say something u clearly understand but don’t like it’s, what? What is that? My grammar is better.

    U are far from the smartest dude in here, everybody types in a hurry on here and yo sh/t ain’t always prefect and damn sure don’t always make sense. Yo a$$ don’t know enough about the game to post comebacks the read and move on these posts are not English assignments.

  • LakeShow

    Sorry, I didn’t see anything about basketball related material so I dismissed this also.

    Let me guess you said: “Your mom’s a b*tch!”

    Cool got it, you win man.

  • TTN

    What? Shaw healed on company time? I don’t know what that mean seriously.

    Yeah right Kobe tried to get Dwight touches, where did that come from? since u dudes are all about proof and NBK like links show me. Dwight was cancer but the Lakers begged him to stay? I never said Kobe ran anybody out of town I said superstars like Dwight don’t want to play with him and that showed didn’t it? During free agency he said he wanted kobe out and DAntoni. He did run shaq out of there though and basically dwight too.

  • TTN

    That’s the thing u couldn’t be a man even over the computer to which is why I referred to u and the others as hoes.

    U read it.

    U mad cause I won’t read your posts, cut em down some and make sense. It’s crazy yo feelings is hurt over a team that don’t care about. Puddin? I hear the gay coming out of you also, no wonder u down with Lakeshow and a JJ jones with the shirtless profile pic….hmm

  • JJ Jones

    I just explained what happened with Shaq he had motivation/weight/age issues and dwight is a proven cancer. Got stan van gundy fired and left, possibly got mike brown fired and wanted more post touches despite the fact that he got the SECOND most post touches in the league last season and converted at below average. Kobe didn’t run dwight out the entire team was tired of his b.s. He wanted his moment as the man and couldnt win a damn playoff game for the lakers so whose in the wrong here.

  • Lloyd

    That’s what I’m saying…Bennett was drafted completely off potential and is a complete bust right now, as are a lot of guys who went in the first round in past years. Trade for a guy who’s been in the league +4 years, and you have a better sense of what you’re getting. You look at their past accomplishments in the league and assess whether they can bring that to your squad or not.

    Both teams you mentioned have been to the finals in the past two seasons…just because they didn’t win a chip doesn’t mean they weren’t successful. The more talent you amass on a team, the better chance you have of winning.

  • JJ Jones

    Really its been a year and a half since that disaster. Its a little too soon to say that no one wants to be a laker. Its been ONE year and this is exactly what I’ve been talking about. Stop being a prisoner of the moment if in two years the lakers still have no superstars then I would agree with what your saying. Give it time

  • The Real

    U think your so smart u sound stupid,

    Here I’ll post the part you can post for you and then repeat what i said. Oh the laker game was on, you was probably to busy lusting after Kobe and lakers to focus on your post huh? u still gayT

  • The Real

    I know u don’t do it alone Lakeshow, u such a pimp u got NBK and Shirtless JJ jones there wit you.

    That explain why u three keep posting after each other F*ggo

  • The Real

    U wrote all that for nothing, he didn’t necessarily contradict himself. He changed his position on in it when he saw it didn’t work out. He said what he felt at the time and that changed over time due to circumstances

    Example:
    If your butt buddy Lakeshow asked u “pudding do u want a glass of water while I’m up?” and u say “no I’m not thirsty right now” then when she comes back u say “pudding can u get me a glass of water my throats dry now”. That wouldnt mean u contradicted yourself u simply changed your mind about the water due to your gayness I mean dryness of your throat.

    I still can’t believe u called me pudding-men don’t say that type stuff. u sir are excessively gay. Pudding? Your father used that word? Unmanly.

  • TTN

    Now it’s only basketball related posts u respond to Huh ?alright….LakeHo.

  • TTN

    Alright change that screen name, cause u don’t know Sh/t.

    It’s common sense that in a basketball trade u don’t give up a prospect u feel is going to be a outstanding like Marc. U actually saying the lakers knew gasol would be as good as he is and gave him up to Memphis? How stupid is your logic? The point in trade is for your team to get better (get something for what would be nothing to u) not fleece your self and give the other team the best u have. Common sense dude that’s how the business is laid out and LA been good at it.

  • TTN

    If I agreed with u I would be one of your posting buddies huh?
    Childs mentality u got.

  • TTN

    It’s just u with the self picture and the shirt off and the nonsense you speaking and u down with Lakeshow who irritates me with his gayness so….

  • TTN

    U don’t care if someone misspell or doesn’t use commas?
    U a English professor? U grading people posts?
    Nobody have to post how u see fit, don’t read it and move on trick.

  • TTN

    U sound like 8 year old girls who got her feelings hurt, filter those gay emotional comments before u post please.

    It would suck so much for him to be on the lakers the more I look at it- u act like he told u no for the prom.

    Don’t let me search Slam for a post where u said something like u hoped he stayed or u were happy about him being a laker. I got a feeling it’s something like that posted here on slam disscussion forums somewhere Is it?

  • BE.water

    Dwight is an exception. He’s not exactly tearing down walls in Houston either for what it’s worth.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No I’m not arguing that the Lakers didn’t win that trade, 2 titles outweighs anything the Grizzlies have of wil do. I’m just saying the assertion that nobody saw the Grizzlies side of that trade as beneficial is false. The Lakers definitely won that trade assuming you believe there is a winner or loser in a trade.

  • candlewood jay

    Dude…go out and have a good weekend.
    Stop being here so much..
    Get a life..your imaginary family is worried about you.

  • Lloyd

    Those people saw the possible benefits of having Marc, but again, they traded a proven all-star, one of the best bigs in the league at the time, for potential. Most people would agree that that was a lot riskier, even though some may have seen the possibility of Marc coming into his own at the NBA level.

    I’d go further to say that I doubt those people would’ve predicted Marc getting as good as he did, For example, how many people would have projected him to be the eventual DPOY, let alone a candidate for the award?

    The fact that the Grizzlies traded a “definite thing” for a “maybe” still made it a horrible trade at the time (maybe I should say they traded “more likely” for an “it’s possible”). In retrospect, it proved less lopsided than initially perceived, but the Lakers definitely still won the trade.

  • Drig

    The Suns series of 06? The series in which Kobe went for 50 in game 6 and LA still lost handily and didn’t take more than 2 shots in teh second half of game 7?

    I’ll appreciate your opinion if you could explain how LAL could come back from the 15 odd point deficit ( from memory ) with only Kobe on fire? Especially after Game 6?

    I mean, Lakers were outclassed. Game 6 was their best bet to win the series and they blew it because they weren’t a better team than the Suns, despite having the best player.

    Also, do you realize that it’s not just ONE finger that Kobe’s struggling with? It’s 3 of them. Along with an arthritic knee. And I haven’t even got to the other knee in 2011, the hand injury in 2012 or the insane minutes he’s played the last few years.

    You’re ignorant.

  • Drig

    Ahem, the Lakers lost I believe all their pre-season games during their title years as well. So, try again.

    The Lakers were still locks for many a fan to the WCF at the very least because they ( me included ) believed that we’d get back Nash, Pau, Kobe, Artest and Dwight to full health at some point during the season and play them together for significant periods. Alas, it never happened.

    Since you’re obviously more qualified and an expert who can analyze the game at a more critical level, why don’t you state who’s gonna be the NBA champion this season and explain their journey through the POs? I mean, it’s pretty easy for someone like you who could see the 2013 Lakers weren’t gonna win when they didn’t even play a game together healthy.

  • Drig

    To add to that, it wasn’t like the Lakers had any decent PG the previous season (with all due respect to DFish ) and yet they pushed OKC to the brink in every game in the series. I remember LAL leading 4 of those games only to blow 3 of them at the very end because of a lack of ball movement or 3pt shooting when Kobe got marked by Durant.

  • JJ Jones

    Exactly injuries and david stern are to blame. Nobody had the lakers being swept in the 1st round last year

  • Ugh

    I agree – PJ was maybe the best coach in the league in finding great roleplayers and bringing out the best in them, and at getting great veterans to play for peanuts and glory. It’s hard to see how a Dwight/Kobe/Jackson team would fail to be great, if not dynastic.

  • Drig

    Exactly. Hell, people were still thinking we could push the Spurs to a tough series in the 1st round even with none of us healthy but then Kobe went down. SMH.

  • po

    You struggle with homophones and spelling regularly on here, and you have the nerve to talk about English and grammar? I’d bet my life that you don’t speak any other language outside of English, and your alleged adult self hasn’t even mastered it yet. On a different note, I just feel like you are an uncultured moron.

  • LakeShow

    I struggle with “homophones”… WTH??

    A person who is basing my overall being, upon my comments on a basketball website, is telling me I’m an “uncultured moron.”

    Hold the phone! Or should I say “homophone” lol…

  • Busta213

    Oh, I was really talking about a couple of years post-Ewing era up until Melo decided he was gonna be in NYC one way or another. Amare’s contract was uninsurable – in a league where every terrible contract is tradable, he is the exception.

    Overall, I guess youre right – I wouldnt be surprised if e.g. Kevin Love ended up there – its just that I dont see the marquee free agents like a LeBron, Melo, KD picking there (which has been something the Lakers have managed to pull off multiple times in the past).

    I dont think feel its written in stone that Kobe retires in 2 if he finds some health and I just feel his contract makes it hard to revamp to the extent they need to.

  • LakeShow

    When was the last two time the Lakers got one of the top 5 best players in the L to join their team?

    Shaq. Before that, Wilt? They rarely ever get one of the best 5 players in the L. Few teams do. Their aren’t that many and they get signed to max contracts.

    Kobe’s contract will be done in two season and if he were to resign it would not be for anything more than $5m a season.

    They already rewarded him with his 2 year $50m contract, they aren’t going to reward him again.

    The Lakers will return to relevancy and have a top 10 player within 5 years.

  • Busta213

    Fair point, though Kareem got to LA by demanding a trade there.

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