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Tuesday, January 21st, 2014 at 10:50 am  |  205 responses

NBA Executives Reportedly Think Jabari Parker Staying at Duke

There have been whispers about Jabari Parker possibly staying in school beyond this season, and according to Bulls.com, NBA execs (perhaps even those steering teams into TankVille) are starting to believe he won’t enter the Draft this summer:

Remember when that 2014 draft was so great? Last month? It’s taken some hits of late with Andrew Wiggins, the star of stars last year in high school, drawing questions from NBA scouts on readiness and even where he plays. Joel Embiid, now the consensus No. 1, has a high ceiling but is young and thin and in need of development. Marcus Smart can’t shoot. Julius Randle’s Kentucky team is out of the top 10. And the growing view among NBA executives seems to be Jabari Parker will not leave Duke this year. Chicagoan Jahlil Okafor, a Parker friend and big man, is going to Duke next season. Parker is a bright young man with a strong family and the feeling is he understands both the importance of education and feels he owes Duke and the chance to have a great Duke team, which more than likely is the next two seasons. Plus, Parker has seen what staying in school has done for other greats compared with the tough starts for even stars like Kobe Bryant.

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  • Saleem Rainman

    maybe pull a tim duncan and go 3-4 years…why not.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i will believe it when i see it. although that’s been the concern about Parker since his senior year in HS.

  • Anthony

    Why not stay? You just saw a 1 year phenom at Kentucky completely tear his ACL and still go in the 1st round (Noel). If your family situation isnt a factor, why not stay and enjoy life at one of the most prestigous schools in the country, with one of the most well financed athletic/basketball programs.

  • ARISE CHICKEN

    college can be fun

  • spit hot fiyah

    great thing when it is a “concern” that a guy will stay in school

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    “Parker is a bright young man with a strong family and the feeling is he understands both the importance of education and feels”

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/531/319/99f.gif

  • Feez_22

    Embiid may also stay 2 yrs looking at his recent comments.

  • bike

    Makes sense. Seems like Duke would be the last place a determined one-and-doner would want to go anyway.

  • Mike Gilbert

    because that’s a looooottttt of money to pass up

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well i’m talking from an NBA perspective. and it’s not like he’s going to stay for 4 years anyway lol, it’s not really a “concern” that he leaves early….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    amazing

  • Dfrance

    I would love for this to happen, maybe he’ll start a trend.

  • Saleem Rainman

    he’s gonna get there eventually.

  • Anthony

    As a new Embiid Stan…another year and 20 more lbs to help him through the grind of a 82 game season wouldn’t be a bad look. As long as his feet/knees aren’t an issue, stay and a dash of Duncan to your developing Olajuwon.

  • Lambert

    What the hell is going on in this?

  • Dagger

    Unless he suffers a major injury.

  • Saleem Rainman

    players used to stay 3-4 years playing college ball all the time. It really wasnt that big of a deal back then. So why now?

  • DK

    This is tough. But he doesn’t owe anybody anything. I can only imagine how awesome playing big time college ball is but your health is not guaranteed. Now that I know what it’s like to work and maintain out here–and struggle financially… I’d let my son go pro at 11 or 12 years old (you see my point) if somebody wanted him. Get the money while you can man–as soon as you can. Staying in school too long has hurt several ppl too. Could expose those weaknesses and give those execs another whole year to critique your game (for free). Make them pay you now. God forbid you get injured. It’s not worth the financial risk to me. Even if you fall off which I don’t think Parker will… better one rookie contract than none at all.

  • Dagger

    Oh, it’s not a big deal. Obviously it’s not my decision. In fact I teach at a university, so I’m all for those who value college life.

    It’s just a hell of a financial risk, and there’s no evidence to suggest that players develop better in college than they do in the NBA.

    It’s also not as if most NCAA players receive a rewarding education. Many are given a pass in their classes, and few are held to the same educational standards as their less athletic peers. Here’s a relevant article: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    thank you!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s called “earning potential” — every year he stays in college takes off that many years that he can earn 10s of millions of dollars in the NBA not taken advantage of.

  • pposse

    good for Jabari. Its not like any of these one and done’s really came into the NBA and seen success right away anyways. I don’t remember KG, Lebron, Tmac, Kyrie Irving or any other one and done actually get to the playoffs in their first year in the NBA.

    Guys like Wade, MJ, Duncan been in the playoffs their entire nba basketball lives and were the best players on their teams.

  • Drig

    You sir, are awesome.

  • TR

    Eh, so you put off making a few Ms a year. It’ll be all good either way.

  • Jerome

    All tanking team GMs just sharted a bit. The earning potential some of you mention is far greater from an owner’s perspective. And getting an education secures earning potential if he gets severely injured. I can’t be the only one who feels sorry for exNBAers who have to announce when it’s obvious they’re terrible (see: Reggie Miller).

  • Drig

    For every Duncan out there, there’s a KG. He’s gonna develop regardless of what his decision is gonna be because he’ll get top-tier coaching anyways.

    The biggest thing is that he should be eased into the team. Start him off the bench and get him used to the hectic travel schedule in his 1st season backed up by fundamentals training and he’ll be good to go in his 2nd year. He still needs to develop a bit IMO.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i understood, it just looks funny

  • pposse

    how exactly is it a financial risk? Noel had the worst possible injury you can have as a bball player yet still was a lottery pick.

  • pposse

    but yet players in the nba routinely squander their own earning potential for better situations ie: Ray Allen joining the Heat

    idk if it is true or not whether Jabari will actually stay in school, but he seems to be bright enough to know that he can make 100 million or so off the nba so whether its now or next yr it really doesnt matter. Highly doubt earning potential is a factor with the blue chips.

  • The Real

    TD is a big man though, they will still be tall towards the end of their careers. Big men typically play longer (The Chief, Kareem,Camby, Nazer Muhammed etc.) because they’re harder to come by. Positions like guards and SF’s generally have a smaller window to play career wise given the physical demands of the positions. Height/position is the stupid reason Oden was drafted before Durant and Noel, Thabeet went as high in draft as they did.

  • Anthony

    I’ve seen & had this discussion MANY times…the holy grail of NBA contracts is the “MAX” contract. Only the far and few will get a max deal. You’re not gonna get this immediately outta school, so your 1st 3 years (rook Cs are 3yrs) in the L you’re trying to prove your worth that & it may not happen especially if you came out too early and was not ready or came into a bad situation team wise. Now add in that you’re not a CONSENSUS #1 pick…all the odds stack towards staying.

  • The Real

    Your response is too funny, cause Im thinking the same thing. Maybe it’s going over our heads? I don’t know?

  • Jswagbo

    Who has more invested in a players success/growth as an athlete. A college system that at most he’ll stay at for 4 years, pays him nothing sans scholarship vs an NBA team which on top of having better facilities, coaching, training etc also has millions of guaranteed dollars invested in said player. The whole college makes you better thing is a myth,

  • Anthony

    “For every Duncan out there, there’s a KG”…..are you serious?!? You are saying that for every very good 4 year college player there is a 19 year old, 6’11 ultra athletic, silky shooting, fleet footed, team oriented, willing to learn, ultra loyal high-school FREAK of NATURE?!?…..really?

  • Jswagbo

    And by the way, getting a degree as a college athlete as talented as Jabari is, is pointless. If he fails out of the NBA its not like hes gunna end up taking a 45,000 entry level job working in human resources somewhere.

  • Anthony

    “The whole college makes you better thing is a myth”….are YOU serious?!? You tell Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry that…I guarantee you had they went to college gone to a school where the coach knew the game and gave them no slack and made them into men, they both would still be relevant in the league today.

  • Drig

    Well, I meant that for an example of why college would benefit a young player’s game ( MJ, Duncan ), there’s also the high-schoolers who made the leap who didn’t do any worse ( KB, KG ).

    IMO, as long as you got your head straight and you are focused, you’ll not regret either choice as long as you’re healthy.

  • TTN

    Exactly, not just the money but also he would lose the appeal of having more potential because he is younger. Potential is all the NBA mostly drafts on now and a good part of potential is age and time, he can’t spend years in college because it drops his ceiling of potential.

    I remember last season it came out that Muhammad from UCLA was a year older and they were actually talking about it hurting his draft position.

  • Anthony

    “And by the way, getting a degree as a college athlete as talented as Jabari is, is pointless.”…..tell Allen Iverson that…..didn’t you watch that ESPN special…broke…There’s a HOFer working as a crossing guard in Houston just to have health insurance. Its truly sad that the value of education can be condescended b/c somebody can put a ball through a hoop…..SMH!

  • Jswagbo

    Adam Morrison went to college for 4 years. Some players are just shit. I guarantee you the Bobcats put more into making Kwame Brown a good player than any college team would have.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ray Allen lost out on like 8 million lol, by foregoing years of your professional career, you are essentially risking a $15 million dollar season for every year that you stay.
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    think about it like this,
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    if Melo stayed an extra year, he would be 32 when this contract expires. Rather than 31. When you are talking a 4 or 5 year possible max contract, that one year makes a HUGE difference.

  • Anthony

    Allen Iverson would love that job in HR right about now….(and I’m not trolling you my dude…I just adamantly disagree with your valuation of an education)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    we aren’t talking about the majority of players, we are talking about the top end talent. no matter if you want to talk about a max contract or not, actually, let’s just assume we are NOT talking about a max contract, a non max 30 year old is going to be offered more money/years than a non max 31 year old 100% of the time.
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    unless a player is about earning his degree, there is really no reason to stay when considering what benefits a professional career.

  • Jswagbo

    If Iverson didn’t spend all his money gambling he could have paid his way through any college he wanted. You can go to college when you’re 40. Your NBA window is a lot smaller than that. If you can get guaranteed NBA money take it as soon as possible and you can always go back to school later.

  • Foxdashman

    This is the greatest response I have ever seen. I’m so impressed

  • pposse

    not necessarily i understand what your saying. But say it takes more than 5 yrs for Parker to develop into a max contract player or he never develops into that guy, and he comes out after 1 year, then the 15 million or so on the backend of his prime years really won’t matter. imo it all comes down to whether or it is a certain that the nba is the best place for developing teenaged ball players or if it is college.

  • Anthony

    A.I. at one point in time supported nearly 40 ppl, family & friends…so let’s not judge what we truly have no knowledge of. All we know is that the $ is not there & he doesn’t have his degree, had he gotten it, it would have gotten media coverage..TRUST. The process of maturation in college affords you the opportunity for personal growth that being a profesional athlete never will…..ala…JR SMITH

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The vast majority of all evidence available says the NBA is the best place for player development

  • Jswagbo

    As far as the personal growth, tell me how being the big man on campus for 4 years makes you mature better. Lebron is plenty mature no college, ditto for kobe, meta world peace punched a fan and he went to college. Some players are good some are bad, some are knuckleheads some are not. NBA player development is far better than that in college, theres just better staff and facilities and the maturation point is moot because there have been immature guys who went to college and immature guys who didnt.

  • Foxdashman

    Hahaha, yeah I can definitely see Allen Iverson taking a job in HR. Were you trying to disprove your own point?

  • Vince Gully

    Agreed. There are just as many four year college stars who washed out in the League as many prep guys who flamed out. Nothing prepares players for the League except the League itself. Every rookie will take his lumps his first year, regardless of whether he was a four year starter in college or a raw high school prospect. What determines success is how they continue to develop afterwards. The only thing I disagree with is your last point. Not every team has the luxury to bring along a guy slowly, ESPECIALLY if they’re a lotto team. Teams selecting that high usually expect their draftees to be their franchise saviors right off the bat, even if they’re not totally ready for it.

  • Foxdashman

    “Are you serious!?!” You seem very surprised by other people’s opinions. College doesn’t necessarily make basketball players better, like Jswagbo said. Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry might have been better if they hadn’t played AAU ball or if they’d ended up in better situations on their first NBA team. You can’t pick one part of their path (not staying in college) and isolate that to prove your point.

  • Anthony

    NBK…your last comment is tough to follow. Jabari is a top tier player and likely a top 5 draft pick. He’d would be considered “top end talent” as you put it. If he stays 4 years he’d be 22..come out have a great 3 years he could get a max deal at 25. His stock could only go up under K at Duke, and things could only go BAD coming out early…Hedge your bets, stay, work your butt off, win a chip or two..make the GMs salivate over you, then declare…that simple

  • CraigB

    Parker is as ready a prospect as their could be. He is playing out of position for Duke at the 5 they are small he will be a 3 in league. Not saying he will save a franchise but it’s rare when guys actually come in and do. He will be decent at the pro level he was born into the game.

    I’m going to go on record and make some predictions about some of the potential big names of the 2014 draft.
    - Wiggins-ain’t got it like his hype claimed, he will get drafted high and not develop and become a trading chip based off that initial hype/high draft selection and Bounce around eventually becoming a gerald green type( in terms of career path).
    -Embid- drafted high based on his potential, will be a decent big man off the bench because of his height and athleticism but never develop into what is said about him.
    - randle- won’t be able to bully and finish over the top of NBA players like he does now but he will eventually develop and produce.
    -Gordan- he doesn’t have it at all, the way he plays now I see him staying in school and going undrafted. The dude can’t play, he was simply taller than his high school comp.

    It should be noted that certain things could change what I’m saying but those are unknown for me like: some guys get money and stay in the gym because they love the game. Some get money and forget to continue working, some get hurt, I don’t follow these guys so idk if they’re gym rats or party goers, or if they will stay healthy. I assessed them based off what I see.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s not about if he can get a single max contract. It’s about getting that second “veteran” max. Like LeBron/Carmelo are about to get. Staying those extra years essentially takes out a lot of the chances to maximize earning at the end of any players career.

  • bike

    From what I am reading, Parker isn’t leaning towards staying in college to improve his draft stock or his future nba game. He’s considering staying because he values an education and hopes to win a national championship. It seems somewhat unfair to criticize a kid for passing up $$ to pursue other priorities that are important to him. Sure, staying in college won’t make a player like Parker better for nba play, but believe it or not, a college education will enhance your life in other areas.

  • Caboose

    NUH UH! KWAME BROWN DUHHHHHH.

    Oh and that was sarcasm. Just in case you missed it.

  • Jswagbo

    Not criticizing Parker, no one should have to justify staying in college. But as a basketball player the best place to improve your basketball skills is the NBA. People were saying that he should stay in college to refine his game and thats silly

  • Caboose

    That Melo guy did alright…

  • playa

    So you’re saying that probably the deepest/best draft of last 5 or so years have ONE player that will be good pro?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

  • Anthony

    No my dude…it actually IS about if he can get a max contract, only the upper echelon of the NBA in a GREAT situation will even be considered for a MAX deal. Jabari if he EVER got that consideration would pretty much validate himself as a NBA SUPER star if ever offered a MAX, and also validate that the path he chose either staying in school or coming out early was the right one because it was an essential element in his development that got him to that point.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol I wish they said Kwame Brown. I would have brought up his career salary against Charles Barkley’s and take a big dump on that argument.

  • Anthony

    The fact that you compared Lebron (a kid who was pretty much engineered for the NBA since his early teens) with Metta World Peace absolutely tells me that I’m absolutely trying to have a discusion with a casual fan or someone that just likes to argue.
    When you’re a professional you’re supposed to be professional in EVERYTHING…interviews, off-court activity, training habits, eating habits…for 82 games across 41 cities. The NBA is a BUSINESS & all about the final product on the court & believe it or not college coaches (atleast K) actually have relationship w/ their players. There are little to NO second chances once you’re on that big stage so why not do all you can to make sure you’re ready.. N.B.A. = No Boys ALLOWED!

  • Jswagbo

    There are numerous players who went to college and still are immature, did one year at Kentucky turn Demarcus Cousins into a model citizen? No but hes putting up 23 and 11 which is infinitely more important. The most important thing is being good on the basketball court and the NBA is the best place to do that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you don’t need to use capitals, the meaning of the words doesn’t change. and whether it’s about a max is irrelevant. it’s just earning potential. it’s not complicated.
    .
    the sooner you start working the more money you will end up making.
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    there is no evidence that college helps develop a player as well as the NBA, there is no reason to believe it would, and the contract situation of Jabari’s rookie year doesn’t get any more sunny then now.
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    let’s also add in that Jabari can’t make any endorsement money while he is in college.
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    it’s not even close. and it’s about earning potential. not max contracts.

  • Anthony

    That’s the very thing that they are doing in their initial statements….(Leaving college early…isolation) Its essentially what this whole post is about, so yeah I am serious.

  • Lambert

    Yeah I guess so and I kept staring at it to try to figure it out but then I felt like I was gonna have a seizure.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kwame Brown was actually a decent NBA player. and so was Eddy Curry. Both of them earned more money in their NBA career than Charles Barkley did.
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    if you really want to argue FOR college, you need to talk about how it improves players as people …. not as basketball players. There is no argument against the NBA for player development. Not a logical one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well said.

  • bike

    It’s fair to say that some player’s games will benefit by staying, others will not. There have been many draft hopefuls that have been advised by nba scouts to stay put and work on various aspects of their games. Sometimes that works for them, other times it doesn’t. Parker’s game would probably still improve if he stays at Duke, but his draft stock is as high right now as it will ever be. It is a bit of a risk for him to stay based solely on his nba career.
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    Everyone’s situation is different.

  • Anthony

    “The most important thing is being good on the basketball court and the NBA is the best place to do that”…really?!? That’s the most important thing? And to avoid this very same mentality is the very reason why Jabari’s mother & father will probably have hime go back to DUKE UNIVERSITY at the end of the school year.

  • Jswagbo

    You’re hilarious Kwame Browns problem wasn’t college, it was that he was a solid but not good NBA player. Al Jefferson didn’t go to college puts up great stats has developed a ton since he got into the league.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    i wish this wasn’t going over my head so i could enjoy

  • Jswagbo

    The whole reason for college nowadays anyway is to get an education that prepares you or qualifies you for a job. Just because the NBA uses the NCAA as a scouting league doesnt mean that there is any correlation between college and NBA success. If your future goals are aligned with getting a degree then by all means its a great idea, but being an NBA player doesnt require a college degree and often the 4 years you spend are 4 years of cheques youre not getting. College can always be done after btw Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, many business owners didnt finish college. If you dont need/want it its pointless to waste your time in college.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    as opposed to the first pick in the draft? the difference is $2 million dollars every year of their rookie contracts.

  • Anthony

    Its called EMPHASIS sir. Anyway, stay on topic, forget endorsements…that is a whole other NCAA can of worms. The accurate term you’re looking for is “Opportunity Cost” not really earning potential. B/c in essence Jabari’s earning potential could be greatly enhanced by successful college seasons, way more so than being a #1 pick burried on the bench…(to prove my point ANTHONY BENNETT) I don’t see agents or GMs lining up to negotiate or offer him his second deal. I put my emphasis on MAX contracts for specific reasons and primarily b/c of the validation it offers. Its the most money for the longest period of time available. So come out early, not be ready, be a #1 pick like Kenyon Martin, and eventually be come a NBA journeyman or develop in the warm womb of the NCAA ranks come out physically and mentally mature with knowledge of the game and how to play the right way and become a future HOFer like Tim Duncan….choice is yours

  • Anthony

    You get better where you will actually play. Now if you go to the NBA and don’t play b/c you’re not physically or mentally ready…you will not get better. If you stay in the NCAA and play against the nations best talent on a national stage while continuing to get mentored by the person that coached all of the current NBA superstars in the last 2 olympics….you will get better sir. Wonder how much better Anthony Bennett has gotten this year?

  • Anthony

    You (like us all) are speaking on hypotheticals. There is no telling how much better Kwame would have been if he had gone to college (and I am assuming you know Kwame didn’t go to college) Al Jefferson was going to Univ of Arkansas but entered into the draft b/c he was told a team wanted him, not b/c he would become a better player by going into the NBA. We both know that developing playing ability is never the center of the decision to go pro….its about $$$$

  • Jswagbo

    Kwame wouldnt have been better of he went to college he would have been significantly worse from beating up on worse competition and he also would be significantly poorer.

  • pposse

    I get that but your not looking at the invididual. Jabari Parker’s family i believe is not in some impoverished situation where they need money at this exact moment. If he plays zero nba basketball his family will be fine. Enough money will always be there for him and his generations to come regardless.

  • Mike Gilbert

    those years he is spending at college are a sunk cost that he can’t get back. Not only will he not be getting as much money, but he will be getting it slower too

  • Anthony

    You know what is surprising…the love or focus in getting into the NBA and making money over getting an education and seeing people go at length to justify pursing a career that at the end of which you could have (1) blown all your money or (2) have a championship ring that you end up auctioning on ebay. Gentlemen!!!! The day you aren’t able to play anymore comes far sooner than they day your aren’t expected to think. (wake up)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, he’ll be buried at the bench if he get’s drafted #1? because of Anthony Bennett who shouldn’t have been the 1st pick and is now making more money and being devoted more attention then he was at Nevada? that guy? Again, ALL evidence supports the idea that the NBA develops players better than anyone else. Anthony Bennett might not be playing in NBA games, but he’s getting NBA coaching and he’s playing against NBA competition. He’s also not splitting his attention with classes. He’s a full time basketball player.
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    Naming the few NBA players who did stay in college only to go early is like running at a cliff pretending you can fly. Want me to just start naming all the 4 year college players who didn’t even play in the NBA for more than 20 minutes? the Mile Simon’s of the world? my number is going to dwarf yours.
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    why don’t you go and grab all the high school to the nba guys who failed, ended up out of the league in a short amount of time, and amounted to nothing? you will find what, 10 guys? the number is more than doubled for guys who have had “successful” multi-contract careers.
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    the thing about the NBA is, it’s a basketball league where rich people invest their money into young men assuming they will turn out to be good players.
    shocker alert given they are risking as much money as they are, they do a pretty damn good job of making sure they are making smart investments. and if a kid isn’t going to be a good NBA player, nobody with an opinion that (should) matter, will be afraid to tell him.

  • pposse

    Melo was kind of an outlier. He experienced the ultimate success in his freshmen campaign. There was nothing else for him to prove. Best player on the best team in college speaks for itself, same type of deal for a guy like D Rose (even tho they fell short in the championship game)

    With that being said, Melo is constantly being attacked for not possessing leadership qualities, things maybe Jim Boeheim could have equipped him better with in a couple more years in college. Its coming to a point now where people are saying he can’t be the focal point on a championship caliber squad.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, Jabari is a totally different case all around. He’s not going to stay in college in order “to develop” either. Neither argument works for him. He’s going to stay at Duke in order to win a championship. If that’s the argument to stay in college, what am i going to say? it’s not what i would do, but i have no choice but to respect it. —-> the development argument on the other hand? is absurd and stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just piggy backing on this comment to post this, Fred Carter says it better than I can, and in less words —> http://assets.espn.go.com/nba/columns/carter_fred/1537641.html

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Fingers crossed.

  • Anthony

    Pretty cut and dry, black and white with no room for error huh?
    That’s exaclty what the NBA is, if you can’t cut it you’re out. Any player will tell you its “harder” to “stay” (using quotations for emphasis now since you were so thin skinned towards my caps) in the NBA than it is to get into the NBA. So why not do all that you can to prepare yourself “before” you go? And that is all Jabari is doing. This is truly a microwave, instant gratification generation and society….smh

  • GetYours

    What does his family situation have to do with him wanting to maximize his earning potential? And what do you mean by “enough money”? Who sets the standards on what “enough” money is? You? By what standards and set of information are you determining what another individual should be satisfied with in a capitalist society? Do you know what Jabari and his generations to come have planned for their financial future? You are speaking for people you don’t know and some who don’t even exist yet. Lastly, the more years you spend in college the more risk of injury there is without an NBA contract to comfort you. Noel could have gotten that injury in college and not collect NBA money like he is now. How hard is that to comprehend?

  • 2chainz

    NCAA and NBA basketball are completely different levels. Why would staying 4 years in college and playing basketball improve you as a player when the next level is much more different. The only thing that changes is the team he plays for if he doesn’t declare for a draft in a certain year.

    If you are a good player you will flourish anywhere, staying longer or going earlier just depends on financial situation or just mental readiness.

  • GetYours

    Why do people like you think you get to dictate what other people should want to do with their lives? His family will be fine? So what if he isn’t dirt poor. Who died and made you judge of who should aspire to what?

  • 2chainz

    Are there any facts and statistics to prove that staying in college longer will make you better as a basketball player…plus why stay and let the NCAA generate enormous revenue from you when you can be making $$$ in the NBA.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Here’s a wrinkling, just so I can argue. What if by staying for the 2015 draft, he raises his chance of getting a max deal by surround himself with less talent to compete with. If 2014 is so loaded, there won’t be enough money to go around when they all are up for their first big contract!……. I’m reaching, I know…….

  • Anthony

    “Absurd and Stupid” dude the subliminals aren’t even necessary. Unless you truly are an NBA talent scout or an NBA coach (even if you were, you’d have to have knowledge of Jabari’s needs and short comings concerning his game) otherwise you have no idea
    what would or wouldn’t help Jabari’s game. You’re speculating just like the rest of us. One thing that I can for a fact speculate on with CONFIDENCE is that Jabari will not contact “nbk” for his 2 cents on if he should return to Duke or not.

  • pposse

    im not the one that came out with the story parker is willing to stay longer at duke. You don’t think Parker knows that he will be losing some dollars? Use your brain im not the judge of anyone, nor do i aspire to be. I could care less either way i’ll root for Parker to be successful in the nba. Your logic is faulty on multiple levels, talk about jumping the gun you would disqualify at a 100 meter dash

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Jabari if he stays, is doing so to win. Not to develop. LOL. and if you have the chops to play in the NBA then you will play. Teams give up on players for 1 of 2 reasons. They are not/won’t be a good enough player or they are not/won’t be a mature enough person. One or the Other.
    .
    Staying in college, has no effect on the first of those.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, it’s an interesting thought.
    .
    But Joe Johnson and Amar’e Stoudemire were free agents in “the summer of LeBron” (and friends) — so if that were true, we don’t really have evidence to support it. More likely that the more saturated a market is with top end talent, the more likely people in that market are too reach on players just to make a splash.

  • pposse

    “what does his family situation have to do with maximizng earning potential’- okay, im not the one that is coming out with the story that said Jabari may not come out of college this year. What common sense is telling me, is that Jabari nor his camp needs anyone from here to inform him that he may be losing out on 15 million or so dollars in the backend of his prime. Do you think he is stupid, i don’t. A logical conclusion is that he already knows this so therefore maybe the money and ‘earning potential’ is not that big of a deal for him.

    Fine sure i was wrong to just assume i know what Jabari’s financial future will be, it was just an anecdote to try and make guys like you understand that the money is clearly not an issue if he chose not to go to the nba after his freshmen year.

    Noel did get the injury in college and still got drafted very high btw.

  • The Real

    Hahaha, yeah it’s going to bug the sh*t out me, cause the whole thing is odd to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i never said what i think Jabari should or shouldn’t do, i said what i would do. you need to learn how to read.

  • chucket

    Anyone COULD blow their money regardless of chosen profession. Just like anyone COULD manage it well. No one is against pursuing any path that the INDIVIDUAL chooses as best for themselves. The problem with people who think the way you do is that your mentality is too simplistic. There is no one right path to success in life, just as there is no single definition of success itself. College doesn’t prevent anyone from horribly managing their finances. Stop being so closed minded. This is coming from a Columbia grad with only a well managed mortgage as my debt.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you play 30 games in college. you play 82 games in the NBA. you play 50 games in the D-League. add in practices and all of that fun stuff, and the lack of classes to take up portions of your gym time…..you still play more in the NBA. Even if you play so little that you end up in the D-League. Sorry.

  • pposse

    personally i dont think parker is really concerned with how the NCAA is capitalizing off of him, he might be but really who knows?

    i mean i think he stays for a reason you mentioned, to be mentally ready to handle being an nba ball player right off the bat. I have no idea what his major is, maybe he wants to graduate and use his degree too? i’m only speculating i have no idea.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Yeah, I would agree. People have cap space to go after the A list guys. And some B list guys end up getting that money when nothing else pans out. Aka Amare.

  • CraigB

    if u read correctly the operative word used was SOME I said I wanted to speak on SOME of the biggest names that maybe in the 2014 draft not all the players which means Doug McDermott, Marcus Smart, CJ Wilcox went unspoken about and could or couldn’t go on to be successful in the NBA I just didn’t speak on them.

  • GetYours

    I don’t think he is stupid. Just because I’d never choose to stay in college if my stock were that high doesn’t mean I think he’s stupid. He may just want the education itself. My problem is that I’ve read so many of your comments on this subject and others, and you seem to have this very conservative way of looking at things when it comes to basketball players. You don’t like the fact that guys have more options than the traditional ‘stay in college four years’ drivel college coaches push. You don’t like the players collectively bargaining for fairer financial situations. It’s like you have this “players stay in your place” mentality. It’s disturbing to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i do not understand why you feel the need to bring my name up. i have not told or pretended to tell anyone what to do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i mean if LeBron is available, 10 teams are going to want just the chance at getting him. Those 9 teams that don’t will have all that money to spend. I would rather be one of those guys, then the guy the next year…available when teams have already spent their money, just because there will be less competition.
    .
    It’s like any business in a capitalist economy, if you know your product is valuable and will garner demand, you want competition to drive up your prices.

  • pposse

    lol your the one that informed everyone here that he can potentially lose out on 15 mill a year when he is older, no disrespect at all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i said it in reply to a comment that said, “why not stay?” dude

  • CraigB

    U would think so but kyrie Irving and Cory Maggette kinda showed it’s possible at Duke.

  • GetYours

    I don’t care if he does or doesn’t choose to stay in college. That’s not the point. Your comments here give the impression that it’s “good” if he does, or “bad” if he doesn’t. Whatever decision he makes, as long as he makes it in his own best interests according to his own judgement, I’m fine with. My problem is with people who make it seem like these young men shouldn’t have other options, or shouldn’t choose the ones you and your ilk don’t approve of.

  • pposse

    first of all if i was jabari i’d be one and done.

    I have a problem with the way the players are collectively bargaining. Its not about them staying in their place its about their policies and how they seem to be geared towards contracting the league rather than expanding it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    players are geared towards making a fair wage for their work and given the freedom to somewhat dictate their work environment.

    settling for half the money that your play earns is a bad thing?

  • Dfrance

    Fred “Mad Dog” Carter! Where did you dust off that old azz ESPN page from? lol.

    I’d like to add a 4th con and thats just missing out on the college experience. I look at a guy like Hanbrough, who probably could have come out a year or two earlier and got drafted(I can’t remember who else was in those draft classes but he was putting up good numbers at NC) but he stayed. He won an NCCA chip, is the ACC’s all time leading scorer, memories and probably a record that will last a lifetime. He’s not going to reach anything near those heights in the NBA, but he can always say he did his thing in college. Kwame Brown can only look back and say he was one of the biggest bust as a #1 draft pick ever.

    Maybe Parker likes college, and wants to make some memories at Duke before he goes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i have no qualms with a guy staying….as long as his motivation is to win in college and grow as a person / experience college. if it’s about developing as a player? or as an investment in your future as a player? that’s where i disagree and believe the argument is baseless.
    .
    oh and p.s. – i don’t know, i just knew i read a pros and cons list at some point in my life so i go ogled it.

  • GetYours

    Like I said, you have a problem with them negotiating for fairer financial compensation. You’ve even said you didn’t even see the need for a union at all. You’re okay with them as long as they put your wants as a fan over their business interests, even though your ire is never directed at the greedy billionaires who couldn’t care less about anything but their own bottom line. Yup, seems pretty conservative to me. As I said, I feel like you want them to stay in a certain place. I don’t dig that.

  • pposse

    you still gotta work within the framework of the overall business. Most of these guys want a fair salary plus the ability for the team to get 3 all stars. The only way this is possible is if like 5 teams go bankrupt. Not every arena gets sold out in the nba. I’d rather see more teams than less, but thats just me, a lot of people would prefer a contracted league.

  • GetYours

    So they should sacrifice earning potential so that the owners can save money and you can see more teams that can’t sell tickets? You don’t see a problem with that line of thinking?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, no it isn’t. The league has a system set up right now that totally breaks that theory in half. It’s called the luxury tax.

  • pposse

    so then how can every guy get paid the amount they want?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    every guy can’t get the amount they want. lol, but if a team wants 3 stars they can find a way to do that. and then they pay the luxury tax, and all that tax money goes right to the pockets of the owners who aren’t (and sometimes can’t) spending that much money on their players.

  • bike

    Oh, it’s possible, but you would think that a school as academically prestigious as Duke, a guy who only wants to play one year and then enter the draft would look at a school w/ less emphasis on academics. Also, Coach K’s program doesn’t lend itself to promoting the one and done experience – I don’t believe K sells that to prospective recruits like Calipari does.

  • pposse

    if its so easy to run a bball team then why exactly don’t former nba greats create their own teams? everyone should care about their bottom line and everyone does. Thats why if a bball player wants to go get the most money, go to a franchise that will pay you the most. Just cause those teams might be forever in nba obscurity doesnt mean I nor you should take it out on the owners. Its a dog eat dog world bro, it seems like you want the players to have it both ways and for the owners to be okay with losing on their bottom line; how hypocritical is that? you came at me talkin about how i shouldn’t speak on Jabari’s financial situation but its okay for you to sit there and go at nba team owners financial situations and their unwillngness to shift their bottom lines, makes sense?

  • pposse

    the team is an owner and a lot of owners won’t do that for the same reason the players won’t settle for less then what they are worth. Both care about their bottom lines.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so what? player’s don’t determine their worth. the market does. Owner’s will pay what they are willing to pay. And players will receive the best offer they get.
    .
    the negotiations between owners and players? has only gone in the owners favor for the last almost 20 years.

  • dotdotdot

    You know what is surprising? That even a grad student like myself is baffled by how naive you are.

    Bad financial decisions are made by athletes and college grads alike. It’s not a guarantee that an MBA isn’t going to end up blowing his money gambling on a bad investment, much less guaranteed that some undergrad art history major is going to make sound financial decisions.

    If Jabari is enjoying what he’s studying and wants to stay in school, that’s fine. Nothing wring with that. But there is something wrong with people like you buying into the myth that college is some permanent life shield against bad decision making. And as far as basketball is concerned, aside from an NCAA championship, there is no significant basketball goal that can’t be accomplished in the league.

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    lol Kind of long to explain. “Feels” is shorthand form of “Feelings” in internet slang. So basically the quote was like saying “Parker understands the importance of education and feelings”

    Found an explanation on Google: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/feels

  • pposse

    there’s a saying for things like this..’if it aint broke, don’t fix it’

    If you beat me in 1 on 1 100 times in a row im guessing you would just give me some victories all of a sudden right? naw i didnt think so.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk what happened to my comment, maybe it’ll show up later…(prolly just stayed in college a little longer lol)

    i have no qualms with staying for those reasons. it’s the “development as a player” gibberish that my support of the NBA over college comes from

  • GetYours

    I’m talking about your conservative disdain for fairness in labor negotiations. The players aren’t wrong for wanting fair compensation. And who said it’s easy to run a business? Focus. Stay on topic. Caring about your bottom line isn’t wrong, but ONLY caring about you bottom line is. Demonizing the players for wanting to be compensated accordingly is wrong. You are the hypocrite here. Running any business requires sacrifice on behalf of laborers and management, and you want all sacrifice to come on the backs of those who make billions less. Are you playing dense or are you serious? The league overall is financially more sound than its been in a very very long time. Lying and skewing facts to create unfair compensation is the issue, which you are okay with as long as it’s not coming from the players. Like I said, I just don’t like how you look at them.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that doesn’t make any damn sense. the NBA is drastically different then it was in the 90s on every level. from the owners on down to the players. and the players make a smaller % of the league revenue then at any other point in their history.

  • Dfrance

    Its “awaiting moderation” not sure what in that post needs to be moderated. lol. I replied:

    Yeah I wasn’t coming at you per say, just giving a different way to look at it. I agree with you seeing as the college game and the NBA game are two, almost completely, different animals. People saying stay in college to get your actual game ready… make no sense.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    word! haha for some reason i think it was the “g” word in the p.s.
    -
    i just don’t understand why the proponents of college don’t make the arguments you and mad dog make? then get all frustrated and cite Tim Duncan (like he’s typical?) as their “i told you so” card. it’s bizarre.

  • GetYours

    That saying doesn’t apply at all. Like not even a little bit, in pretty much any labor debate. By virtue of there even being debate, someone clearly thinks it’s broke. Games are a horrible analogy. A relationship fits better. If one person thinks there is a problem in a relationship, there’s a problem and it needs to be fixed.

  • pposse

    why should anyone care when there are repeatedly guys like ray allen, michael beasley, greg oden, the list goes on and on who take the bare minimum to join an already set team? The players keep shooting themselves in the foot on these causes that you find ‘just’. Not me, the players. I’m not gonna sit there and and cosign guys wanting to have the cake and eat it to. The players would be better served if they ALL (every single one of them) set out to get their max salary and not EVER settle. Once the players do that, and the owners see rosters full of talent that doesn’t mesh and ultimately lose games and probably lose dollars from providing a shitty product then maybe just maybe they would get a fair shake in collective bargaining. the problem is nobody wants to go out and outright say what they want. The owners will find a political way to basically say they don’t want their bottom line to suffer and all NBA players outside of Kobe (who by the way I have grown to greatly appreciated in the past 2 yrs mainly cause he took all that money for these next 2 yrs without even thinking twice about it) will say similar. Just be and stop the faking and everything would work out.

  • TTN

    Won’t happen the NBA is throwing out to much money to these 19-20 years old for their height and potential (a lot of em can’t play yet). and it’s still a recession the cash is needed. I can’t blame em.

  • GetYours

    You’re joking? You are seriously arguing against the right to want fair compensation? I shouldn’t even continue since you pretty much being blatantly anti-players. You solidified an already solid opinion of mine.

    Taking away everyone’s option to make fair pay has NOTHING to do with the few who choose to take less. They have nothing to do with each other. Do you understand that? Do you understand that you make no freaking logical sense whatsoever? That’s not shooting yourself in the foot. That’s making sure members of your union aren’t forced to take less than what they deserve if they don’t want to. Nothing wrong with that. You clearly have a problem with players having options, and that stems from deeper rooted issues on your attitudes towards them. Those same players you named also think your statement is amongst the dumbest sh*t anyone has uttered in a labor debate as well. After all, they are part of the same union you don’t feel should even exist.

  • MikeD

    Quick question: Who told you that college as an option disappears when you’re not fresh out of high school? I’m curious as to why you believe people have to be boxed into getting an education at a specific point in their lives. In my experience, the most focused students in the class were the older, more mature ones. I can’t say that the jocks taking TV class, tallying groupies were super academically successful. Just curious as to why you have this television show like image of college and college-athletes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    same type of deal for a guy like D Rose (even tho they fell short in the championship game)

    .
    that’s different than Jabari Parker?

  • pposse

    dont remember the parker every playing in the ncaa championship. i was just tryin to say that those two guys experienced all you reallly can in the first year of college. No idea if Parker will or not tho.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the example you are looking for is Derrick Coleman –> http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-coleman-1.html — the poster child for under achieving NBA players. And he even went to college for 4 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so if Parker makes it to the title game he should come out? but if only the elite 8 he should stay?

  • pposse

    I mean i think he should come out now since he is ready imo, but im not him, if he doesn’t think he is ready then don’t come out.

    Parkers game is more based on skills and not athleticism, it might serve him well to keep learning from somone like coach K to know when to do something and how to do something and when not to do something. its kind of hard to see him making an immediate impact in the NBA bc he is not a better athlete than other 3s in the game.

  • pposse

    lol i have zero problem with players having options. I have problems when players trample not knowingly on other players by choosing the stupid and wrong option. Ray Allen just left 8 million dollars over a 3 yr span on the table. What does that tell the other owners in the game? something along the lines of ‘fock it, i’m going to only offer Kemba Walker only 8 mill per, he can take it or leave it, he’ll probably take 6 anyways to play on the Heat or another championship caliber team later on anyways’ Again it wasn’t me who settled on a 56 million dollar salary cap or whatever it is, it was both sides. I would have no problem if the players held out from a business stand pt for a whole year (as a fan i would be disappointed), but it didn’t happen.

    That’s making sure members of your union aren’t forced to take less than what they deserve if they don’t want to – i dont follow that logic at all. Ray Allen didn’t think about other players when he took less, that is a myth if you believe that lmao.

    And honestly, quit with the cop out tryin to get all personal, nothing i said was personal to you, not one thing, the closest I got was saying that your argument was “hypocritical” but you respond that im a “hypocrite” not my argument but me you mad bro?

  • pposse

    and im arguing agains the actions the players are taking in order to get fair compensation. “i have a problem with the WAY players are collectively barganing” that was the first thing i said to you, you can twist my words, maybe you misunderstood, but don’t make up stuff

  • GetYours

    The way how? What did the big bad union do that you didn’t like? Did they skew financials? No wait, the owners did. Did they stealthily single out individuals players to undermine the entire group’s position? Oh wait, the owners did that.

  • Caboose

    A better one would be something like this. Career earnings:

    Kwame Brown (age 31, 0 years college): $63.9m
    Nick Collison (age 33, 4 years college): $48.2m

    Marvin Williams (age 27, 1 year college): $55.7m
    Roy Hibbert (age 27, 4 years college): $35.3m

    Eddy Curry (age 31, 0 years college): $70.1m
    Udonis Haslem (age 33, 4 years college): $46.9m

    Al Harrington (age 33, 0 years college): $86.5m
    Shane Battier (age 35, 4 years college): $56.6m

    Darius Miles (age 32, 0 years college): $62.0m
    Jameer Nelson (age 31, 4 years college): $52.2m

    So yeah, let ANYONE try to argue that more college = more money in the NBA.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Looooooooooool

  • Caboose

    I think the Marvin vs Hibbert one is the most telling…

  • pposse

    well for one they settled just to get the season going. If there was such a big damn problem they should have held out the whole year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Hibbert is going to have that gap really close in the end. Big men get overpaid forever

  • The Seed

    If anybody takes Joel Embiid number one, they do not know basketball, the same thing went for Greg Oden for me, he didn’t change anything in college to be a number one pick. Randle will be good, reminds me of a young jermaine oneal and Parker could be the best out of this bunch everyone is talking about, but Wiggins and Gordon have a great upside, its all about what they are doing in the off season. I would take Parker first, Wiggins second, Smart third, Gordon fourth, then Randle fifth. But Smart reminds me of Dwade coming out of Marquette and Harden coming out of Arizona State, Smart could be the best out of the bunch in the NBA. Smart is the X factor and I like his game and play-making ability. Watch him play.

  • Caboose

    Haha true that. The Curry vs Haslem one is f*cking funny.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    That one is the death knell to that argument

  • GetYours

    You don’t have a problem with them having options, but you have a problem with them exercising those options? And you don’t see how you make zero sense? Ray Allen choosing to take less money according to his wants and needs has nothing to do with the league collectively agreeing to lowering the luxury tax threshold so that ALL players make less, even if a few individual teams are willing to spend. It has nothing to do with slashing years off of contracts a.k.a earning years for players. It has nothing to do with incorporating less money from licensing and imaging and TV deals into NBA salaries. Those are the ways all the players got less money. Look, you clearly don’t have a good grasp on the multiple aspects of player compensation, so it would be fruitless to continue this for too much longer. You are comparing the market value of two individual players–which you’re supposed to do by position and production. I’m talking about the bigger overall picture, which you are not well versed in. Does not holding a hypocritical belief not make one a hypocrite? Don’t get your panties in a wad. No one insulted your mother on here. Relax.

  • Caboose

    Actually, want the death knell?
    Tim Duncan (age 37, 4 years college): $224.7m
    Kobe Bryant (age 35, 0 years college): $279.7m

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Post that everywhere like the plague

  • GetYours

    Wait, wait. So you criticized them for the lockout, but they should have held out the whole year? And you did say that they shouldn’t even be unionized to begin with. Am I missing something?

  • pposse

    when did i say that? the only time i spoke about unions was around the fall of 2013 when the chicago public school teachers were on strike demanding nearly 70k in salary for working you know 9 months out of the year and you know having one of the worst graduating rates in the country if you must know and had some loud mouth hillbilly no intelligible lady as their spokesperson.

    I remember once saying the ref union should be disbanned.

    As a fan i wanted to see them play, but i understand and respect what anyone has to do in order to get what is fair. I just provided you a solution, don’t spit it back at me, thats what the players should have done plain and simple.

  • Caboose

    LOL. This is fun.
    Steve Nash (age 39, 4 years college): $137.2m
    Kevin Garnett (age 37, 0 years college): $315.3m

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wow lol

  • pposse

    but thats the thing i am relaxed, you are just projecting your insecurities on to me. i have a problem when your actions dictate the overall detriment of the nba.

    The luxury tax threshold was probably lessened bc lebron, wade, cb just all teamed up. Like i said it wasn’t me who agreed to all this, it was the players and for what exactly? to play a condensed crazy scheduled season? They probably should have held out longer.

  • Caboose

    KG actually has the highest career earnings of all time

  • Caboose

    Look at the convo me and nbk were having below. Sometimes it doesn’t matter where the player develops, more money comes from straight to the NBA.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah..I mean he caused the first lock out

  • GetYours

    I distinctly remember reading a comment from you saying you didn’t even see a need for them to be unionized because they were already millionaires. It was on an article about the lockout or Billy Hunter. I remember that part of your comment well. I wanted to respond but my phone was acting up. In truth, I really don’t think anything this crop of players do will make you not criticize them.

  • Caboose

    LOL. Well, Jordan’s precedent of a $33m salary didn’t help either. Looking at MJ’s career earnings is FUNNY as hell. Doesn’t make more than $4m a year until his first retirement, comes back making over $30m.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Haha yeah but Jordan was worth that much money to Chicago. The precedent set by Minnesota scared the sh*t out of the owners

  • Caboose

    Lol true. KG has been the highest paid player in the L like 7 out of the past 12 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And to think, 30 years ago Magic Johnson signed a 25 year, 25 million dollar contract, and it was the biggest in history.

  • Caboose

    This article is just amazing to read.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/26/sports/magic-johnson-signs-25-million-contract.html

    Jerry Buss was a genius.

  • pposse

    i may have said something along those lines out of sheer ignorance, but i seriously don’t know nor remember.

    Look, I agree with some of your points, but not all of them. Should the cap lessened? Yes, I believe so as Lebron Wade and Bosh jobbed the system the year before, and it lowering the cap increases ‘fair play’ – paying a luxury tax is not important to some teams a la lakers, knicks, nets, the heat maybe even. But this is the best bet for small town markets.

    Should the players be entitled to more money from licensing, tv deals jersey sales – yes they should, we spend to watch the players play not the owners assemble and team.

    Should there be years slashed off contracts – i dont know, im up in the air on this one.

    The real problem is that the players are not unified on a lot of this stuff. Right now im watching espn and these guys are all in agreement that Melo will take less to get on a championship caliber team. If true, this psyche from Melo although it is one I agree with, gives leverage to the owners bc they know they can get top end talent for less provided that they get pieces around him. if the top and middle portion of the talent pool really cared about the ALL nba players, the lockout would have gone a year and they would be in good position to get a 50 50 revenue split imo. It didn’t happen probably cause these top and middle talent guys don’t really give a shit about the low end, lets be real here.

  • pposse

    i may have said something along those lines out of sheer ignorance, but i seriously don’t know nor remember.

    Look, I agree with some of your points, but not all of them. Should the cap lessened? Yes, I believe so as Lebron Wade and Bosh jobbed the system the year before, and it lowering the cap increases ‘fair play’ – paying a luxury tax is not important to some teams a la lakers, knicks, nets, the heat maybe even. But this is the best bet for small town markets.

    Should the players be entitled to more money from licensing, tv deals jersey sales – yes they should, we spend to watch the players play not the owners assemble and team.

    Should there be years slashed off contracts – i dont know, im up in the air on this one.

    The real problem is that the players are not unified on a lot of this stuff. Right now im watching espn and these guys are all in agreement that Melo will take less to get on a championship caliber team. If true, this psyche from Melo although it is one I agree with, gives leverage to the owners bc they know they can get top end talent for less provided that they get pieces around him. if the top and middle portion of the talent pool really cared about the ALL nba players, the lockout would have gone a year and they would be in good position to get a 50 50 revenue split imo. It didn’t happen probably cause these top and middle talent guys don’t really give care about the low end, lets be real here.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He really was under appreciated outside of LA.

  • Caboose

    ‘I know that $1 million a year past basketball sounds exorbitant. But consider this: 14 years from now, the average secretary – not good ones mind you, but average ones – will be making $60,000 a year. So Magic’s services, as coach or GM or whichever direction we mutually choose to take, are worth $1 million a year to me.”

    Given that the average secretary salary today is about $40k, Buss was a bit off. But, the logic behind it…incredible.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Do you ever see the straight from highschool to the D-League thing becoming the popular choice? Develop with NBA level coaching and can start getting the advertising money? I mean, with the hype Wiggins had he would have gotten shoe money, and probably upfront money from any other big company hoping to catch him early.

  • The Real

    hahaha, its funny cause I’m still laughing and not 100% sure why. y’all got me, making feel out of the loop. Never heard of the feels until today.

  • http://www.sneakertheater.com/ Sneaker Theater

    This has to be one of the most informative threads I’ve ever read on this site.

  • CraigB

    True because there are other schools that specialize in the one year stops like Kentucky, Memphis–for a period time. You’re right on his program he usually has system type guys that stay for years and get identify as ultimate team guys who fit his system perfectly. Kyrie and Maggette seemed to have an allure about them that they belonged at another school that puts out one year player. Like kyrie I think Parker has the game to play elsewhere but he can fit a system as well.

  • pposse

    got damn i didnt realize kg made over 300 mill in the league! that is wild.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They can change the draft structure to be like baseball, that’s the way that the minor leagues gets their talent. But then you’d be removing agents and declaring as an integral part of the process.

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  • Caboose

    Haha no kidding right?

  • Caboose

    Much appreciated

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Well yeah, but I don’t ever see the D Leauge being as integral to the league as the minors are. I just mean for the select few that have no real need to be a 1 and done in the ncaa.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ehh then not really. The NCAA gets you better exposure. From a branding standpoint, the NCAA is second only to the NBA, so that’s the way to go even if you don’t “need” school

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Yeah. I think I would like it though, if it ever could happen. It would be huge for the D league. Games would get televised more often, and players in the D-League would get more notice. I also don’t think it would hurt the college game much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s Jameer Nelson and Darius Miles after actually sitting down and looking at them. That is just outrageous

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Exactly the way I feel. The college opportunity can give you so much over a lifetime. When you hear some of the veterans and see them in the stands at the tournaments in march and april you can just feel feel that the whole alumni thing has something to it that can’t be explained with dollars and sense.

  • Caboose

    Why?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Actually compare Miles to Battier. Because Miles hasn’t played in the NBA for 5 years. He is the poster child for this conversation. His body fell apart. College would have taken away more than half his money.

  • Caboose

    Darius F*cking Miles has made more money than Shane Battier. There. There is the argument.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I am sort of ashamed of myself for not seeing this earlier. Holy smokes

  • therichardkirby

    **Caveat** Oden also led Ohio State to the national championship and beasted a frontline of future NBA All Stars in said game.

  • sim888

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  • Drig

    @vince gully, I can’t tag my reply to your post so I’m posting it here:

    I know that but personally, I don’t see why teams do that.

    If I’m a GM and my team is in the lottery, I’d rather stay there for 2-3 years and stockpile talent while strengthening them. Rather than forcing them to exert themselves on a schedule they aren’t used to.

    Football ( the european variety ) is a good example of this. Regardless of how talented a player is, he’s brought to terms with the pace and rigors of the game steadily. And they more often than not pan out.

    While both games are entirely different, I wish a team would actually look at trying this out for a year or two and see where they are. Manchester United and Barcelona are mainstream teams who found success by following the pattern.After all, if the 2-3 year lottery, stockpiling and development works out, you’re looking at multiple solid players to play for the team for the years to come.

  • daivd lee

    you dont remember kg on the wolves?
    dont let this washed up kg fool you.

  • daivd lee

    dont forget, players that go to duke are not nba players lol,
    Their college players.
    Besides a few, duke players are usually not good enough to be one and done. (In this era)

  • daivd lee

    honestly it has nothing to do with the players. When you have the worst team drafting these stars, their going to lose(more than likely)

  • pposse

    naw i mean i remember he signed the biggest ever contract which was i thought like a 100 million or so at the time. Where did the other 200 million come from tho?!

  • retrobat

    Wow I love your screen name.

  • 2chainz
  • K

    That statement is evidence that you know nothing about coach K. He would gladly use a player well out of his NBA position and hone the skills that hurt his NBA potential while helping the team. Meaning, Coach K is not concerned with developing player potential for any other reason but to be tailored SPECIFICALLY for Duke. I’m not knocking him because the players know this before they sign with him. But understand the coach before you comment.

  • pposse

    so coach K can’t teach Parker winning intangibles, got it boss good analysis. If the players know all this before they sign up with him, then why in the blue hell would Parker sign up there? Its pretty obvious Parker had NBA dreams from hs onwards. The problem with most of yall is that you guys keep on forgetting that the guys you are talking about are teenagers, not some some grown adult. If coach K was so horrible, why was he hounded to continue working with the USA team and have the respect of NBA players? I am sure that even tho K might do what he has to do with Parker for Duke to win is one thing, but he is also helping him on and off the court to be good in the NBA.

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