Wednesday, January 8th, 2014 at 9:00 am  |  126 responses

Post Up: Ginobili Saves The Day

Manu hit a game-winner in Memphis on Tuesday night.

by Leo Sepkowitz | @LSepkowitzSLAM

Spurs 110, Grizzlies 108

San Antonio was coasting for most of this game until a late surge by Memphis (23-7 over the final five minutes) forced this game into overtime. 

The Spurs regrouped in the extra period, and the game was knotted up at 108 with a few seconds left. That’s when Manu Ginobili delivered a game-winning bucket for San Antonio, pushing their away record to an impressive 14-3 on the year. 

Manu scored just 9 points on the night, but he certainly delivered when it mattered most. Tim Duncan posted 24 and 17 in 34 minutes, Kawhi Leonard scored 17 and Marco Belinelli added 19. Why no team offered Belinelli a real contract this summer after he and Nate Robinson took down the Nets in a seven-game Playoff series is beyond me. (The same goes for Nate.)

Wizards 97, Bobcats 83

Washington disposed of the ‘Cats pretty easily last night behind 21 from Bradley Beal, 17 and 8 from John Wall and a big 18 and 13 from Marcin Gortat. Martell Webster canned a pair of treys on his way to 10 points and Trevor Booker chipped in 12 and 8, too. 

Gerald Henderson scored a game-high 27 for Charlotte, but it wasn’t enough. The Bobcats left 9 points at the line, got out-rebounded by 8 and committed 13 turnovers compared to Washington’s (impressive) 7 in the loss. 

76ers 93, Cavaliers 111

How perfect that the two teams that got next to nothing for Andrew Bynum faced off on the day that Bynum was waived by yet a third disinterested team…

Cleveland simply smoked Philly in the Bynum Bowl, dropping 36 points in the first quarter and running away from there. CJ Miles was on a Heat Check the entire night, and finished with 34 points on 10/14 threes. Anderson Varejao (18 and 14) and Tristan Thompson (12 and 10) both double-doubled in the win, while Kyrie Irving managed 16 points and 8 dimes despite being a game-time call with a bruised knee. 

Michael Carter-Williams had another mammoth night, the lone bright spot in Philadelphia’s loss. He hit 13/25 shots en route to 33 points, 6 boards and 5 assists. If he can stay healthy (not a given), he’s a lock for Rookie of the Year honors. Subtracting MCW’s numbers, the Sixers shot 21/61 on the night—good for a 34.4 percent clip. 

Raptors 79, Pacers 86

Toronto battled pretty hard last night, but Indy is 17-1 at home this season for a reason—they (almost) always manage to pull away when it counts. 

Roy Hibbert was an animal in the win, getting to the line 13 times (12/13 FTs) on his way to 22 points. He snagged 8 boards and added three rejections. Paul George (4/12, 11 points) and David West (2/6, 4 points) weren’t their sharpest, but the Pacers D is usually good enough to pick up the slack when the offense struggles. 

Toronto got 28 from DeMar DeRozan and 20 off the bench from Patrick Patterson, but shot just 37 percent as a unit and got crushed on the glass, 53-36. 

Pelicans 88, Heat 107

New Orleans led at the break in Miami last night, but the Heat put the clamps down for the final 24 minutes, leading to a blowout late. 

LeBron led the Miami attack with 32 points on 13/22 shooting. He’s averaging over 25 points per game while shooting nearly 59 percent this season. Dwyane Wade kicked in 22 points, 8 dimes and 8 boards in 34 minutes, and Birdman came off the bench to hit 7/7 shots for 15 points to go with 7 rebounds against his old squad. 

NOLA got 22 and 12 from Anthony Davis, but just didn’t have enough firepower down the stretch. Jrue Holiday (2/6, 4 turnovers) struggled, and nobody except for Brow really managed to get anything going in the loss. 

Pistons 85, Knicks 89

A strong third quarter put the Knicks up 15 to start the fourth quarter of a nearly unwatchably bad game, but New York let the lead slip away. The Pistons had the ball trailing by just one with under 30 seconds remaining, but Josh Smith forced an absolutely brutal 17-footer that only went about 14 feet, essentially icing the win for NYK. 

Melo dropped 34 for the Knicks and put the game away with a big offensive board and subsequent free throws in the waning moments. Andrea Bargnani finished with 13 points and 11 boards, and Raymond Felton chipped in 12. Iman Shumpert’s struggles continued with 2/8 shooting after it looked like he’d busted out of his funk with a strong showing on New York’s road trip last week. 

Smith led the Pistons with 21 points, 12 boards, 5 assists and 8 turnovers. He was 8/9 from the stripe but just 6/14 from the field, consistently hoisting 17-20-footers. It was a frustrating game to watch in every sense.

Andre Drummond dominated the Tyson Chandler-less Knicks on the glass to the tune of 17 boards, and hit 4/8 shots and 4/6 free throws for 12 points. Greg Monroe chipped in 19. Brandon Jennings was basically invisible, finishing with 2/12 shooting and 5 assists. 

The Pistons scored 48 points in the paint and shot only 3/19 from deep, yet seemed pretty content to keep jacking up long-range shots instead of going at a New York frontline that usually featured two of Kenyon Martin/Amar’e Stoudemire/Bargnani protecting the rim. Overall, very little of what transpired could be considered ‘good basketball.’

Suns 87, Bulls 92

No D-Rose, Luol Deng or Carlos Boozer, no problem for Chicago last night. They managed to hold off a pretty solid Suns team behind 14 and 16 from Joakim Noah and 19 and 10 from Taj Gibson. DJ Augustin and Tony Snell were solid off the bench in the W, combining for 25 points on 9/16 shooting. Whichever team lands Thibs in six months will be a lucky, lucky group. 

Goran Dragic scored a game-high 21 for Phoenix in the loss. The Suns hung around for the entire game, but just couldn’t close the gap in the final few minutes. 

Warriors 101, Bucks 80

Golden State led 50-48 at halftime before embarrassing Milwaukee over the final two periods. David Lee (22 and 18) paced the Dubs in the win, while Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson scored 15 each. They struggled with their shot (combined 3/17 from deep for the Splash Brothers), but 15 offensive boards helped Golden State big-time. Andrew Bogut snagged 12 rebounds in his return to Milwaukee. 

Brandon Knight was strong again for the Bucks, scoring 18 points in 36 minutes. Ersan Ilyasova added 20 and 6 and OJ Mayo hit 5/8 shots, but the rest of the offense was terrible. A combined 5/26 from Larry Sanders, Luke Ridnour and Caron Butler is tough to overcome. 

Lakers 97, Mavericks 110

The Mavs can score at a pretty elite level (11th in the L at 103 per game), and did just that last night. Dirk dropped 27 against a familiar foe, knocking down 12/20 shots in the W. Vince Carter added some punch off the bench with 19 points (7/12) in 26 minutes, and Monta Ellis (16 and 9), Jose Calderon (12 and 8) and DeJuan Blair (15 and 9) all joined him in double-figures. 

LA got 24 from Jodie Meeks, 18 from The Kendall Marshall Resurgence, 17 from The Wesley Johnson Resurgence and 15 and 13 from The Pau Gasol Walk Year, but it’s nearly impossible to win on the road when the other team shoots over 53 percent (it’s only happened twice this season). 

Celtics 98, Nuggets 129

Denver totaled 103 points over the first three quarters, and Boston couldn’t keep pace. 

All five Nuggets starters scored at least 11 points, including Randy Foye (23), Ty Lawson (19 and 13) and Kenneth Faried (21 and 13). Denver drained a remarkable 14/31 shots from deep, aided by Foye’s 7/12 shooting from long-range. 

Jeff Green scored 17 for the Cs, but needed 19 shots to get there. Similarly, Brandon Bass managed 15 points on 3/10 shooting and Avery Bradley scored 12 on 5/12 shooting (and was a -40 while on the floor, which is pretty meaningless but also pretty amazing in 31 minutes). 

Thunder 101, Jazz 112

OKC was without Serge Ibaka (and, of course, Russell Westbrook), but 48 points from Kevin Durant allowed them to hang in there against a surprisingly strong Jazz offense. 

The Thunder couldn’t buy a stop, though, allowing Utah to hit 59 percent of their shots, including 8/18 triples. Gordon Hayward was incredible, connecting on 13/16 shots, 2/3 threes and 9/13 free throws on his way to 37 points, 11 boards and 7 assists. He was simply dominant in the fourth quarter, knocking down a bucket every time the Thunder inched closer. 

Five other Jazz players—Derrick Favors, Marvin Williams, Trey Burke, Richard Jefferson and Enes Kanter—cleared 10 points in the upset win. 

Durant hit 14/34 shots and 17/19 free throws in his big game (zero turnovers!) and Reggie Jackson scored 20, but nobody else did anything. Like, nothing. Like, players not named Durant or Jackson combined to shoot 15/41 for 33 points with 28 rebounds. The Thunder jacked up 34 threes and sank just 6 of them, sadly reminiscent of their 2013 Playoff run without Westbrook. 

Blazers 119, Kings 123

Portland led by 11 after one quarter, but Sacramento stormed back from there and hung on throughout a wild fourth quarter. 

Sacto led by double-figures for nearly the entire fourth, but the two teams combined for a ridiculous 89 points. DeMarcus Cousins (35 and 13) and Rudy Gay (32) got huge for the Kings in the win, and Isaiah Thomas added 22 points, 8 assists and 7 boards. 

Damian Lillard had 27 points with 1:05 left before dropping fourteen points in the final 65 seconds. In all, he finished with 41—26 in the fourth. He’s unbelievable when he gets hot. LaMarcus Aldridge posted 24, 8 boards and 5 assists in the defeat, which gave Portland its 5th road loss in 18 tries. They were 11-30 on the road last season. 

Bonus: Vintage Show Of The Day

This season, I’ll be posting a semi-random highlight video of a former baller at the bottom of my Post Ups. Today’s show features an epic duel between Bird and ‘Nique in the ’88 Conference Finals. Bird finished with 34 and Wilkins 47, though I won’t spoil it and say who won. 

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  • Fan of the game

    Good write up on a big night of NBA hoops.
    Man Lance is good (how many players getting his rbs and asts per game? LeBron & …?)
    The cerebral DMC putting older cats in their place (see you too AD and AD).
    Giannis keep ballin, so damn young but so damn good.
    KD on another plane, too much game.

  • Fan of the game

    Fourth in scoring and third in fg%.
    Is it enough to garner MVP?
    Interesting that ESPN picked KD for thus far. At the same age LBJ on a higher level both in numbers and influence on the game (this facet is close) and has since been considered to have improved. Therefore shouldn’t LBJ be clear cut MVP? The game has changed a lot in a short time. LeBron still not into his fourth and fifth gear. Focus on your defence LBJ. The career low blk average gotta change. Is he waiting for the playoffs or post all-star weekend to turn it up?
    Improved ft%? Too many fell for that. People got to know how to study the game.

  • Saleem Rainman

    Manu the great. amazing to see he’s still got it.

    John Wall watch:

    another attrocious shooting night (5-16) but as a guy who used to play point guard myself, i dig the 8 assists to (surpisingly) 0 turnovers, AND a blowout victory.

  • Conor

    James plays with Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, & Michael Beasley.

    Durant plays with Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha, Reggie Jackson, & Perry Jones.

    You tell me who is doing more with that they have.

  • Conor

    *with what

  • Saleem Rainman

    2 things from the OKC-Utah game:

    The thunder need westbrook, they actually arent really all that good(let alone “great”) without him…

    and the jazz are a lot better when the pg burke plays. Kids got the intangibles to really make a difference out there are a young age.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    MVP and “best player” are two very different things.

  • i_ball

    If the Thunder manage to finish with one of the two best records in the West KD should get the MVP. I don’t care if LeBron has better stats or even a bigger impact on the game. Finishing 1st or 2nd in the West without a sidekick should be enough

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, i think it’s quite obvious that Durant has been the MVP thus far.

    He has the Thunder with the 2nd best record in the whole league

    - He’s setting career highs in rebounds, assists, steals and points per minute, leading the league in wins produced, win shares and PER,

    He’s pretty clearly imo the MVP.

  • Fan of the game

    No. Not always. Look no further than last two seasons.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when the best player in the league was also the most valuable?
    they can be different, and still be the same person.
    the best passer in the league, sometimes will also lead the league in assists. sometimes he won’t.
    same goes for everything.

  • Fan of the game

    And lookout for KD to continue his sensational stretch. As per player profile on ESPN;

    With Russell Westbrook (knee) and Serge Ibaka (illness) sidelined, Durant tried to do it all for the Thunder on Tuesday. Durant scored 48 points two games ago against Minnesota and it looks as though he’s looking to score more and more with Westbrook out. In his past five games, Durant is averaging 35.6 points, 2.6 three-pointers made, 7.8 rebounds, 5.4 assists, 2.0 steals and 1.0 blocks while committing only 1.8 turnovers. He’s also shooting 47.5 percent from the field and 89.8 percent from the line.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yep, for like the 3rd time in 4 years the best PG in the draft has turned out better than i expected him too.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Man that Anthony Davis is something else. You can tell he use to play PG before that freak growth spurt. Look for him to be one of the league’s top 5 talents in the next 5 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the next 5 years? he’ll probably be in that conversation by March.

  • playa

    Wait a minute…Durant scored 48 points….he shot 30+ times, his team loses by 11…does that make him a BALLHOG??!!! Can’t be, what with making your teammates better anyone??? He should trust them more,after all they’re decent ball players,they’re playing in the nba…..

  • TriggaMan

    You see that steal he had on wade. Wade looked backed like wtf just happened lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol yeah you’re probably right at the rate he’s going. I was just giving some wiggle room for improvement. I’m so glad I have League Pass it’s been a joy to watch him every game.

  • TriggaMan

    I got him for r.o.y just because, he affects the game even if he don’t score in bunches. He also is good at orchestrating a young team, that do t have alot of talent.

  • davidR

    lebron is still clearly the best player, but durant is definitely the most valuable.

    the thunder are still a top team in the west because of kd

  • Caboose

    You forgot Russ there….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    rub it in.

  • Conor

    Nope. He’s played in 71% of their games to this point. A number which will increasingly dwindle until mid-to-late February.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Russell Westbrook has played in exactly two more games (forgot last night) than Dwyane Wade .

  • Guest

    He’s already got mad confidence too. End of the game he wants the ball.

  • Conor

    Wade could have realistically played in all but perhaps one or two games to this point. Even if his name is rescinded from my original list, James’ supporting cast still makes Durant’s look like absolute shit.

  • Conor

    Wade could have realistically played in all but perhaps one or two games to this point. Even if his name is rescinded from my original list, James’ supporting cast still makes Durant’s look like absolute sh!t.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Shane Battier/Chris Anderson/Ray Allen/Michael Beasley is not impressive…..you do realize those aren’t very good NBA players at this point in their careers don’t you? i mean, name value is cool and everything, but outside of Wade & Bosh, OKC clearly has a more talented team.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol man he did it on Wade and Beasely they both looked hoodwinked

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol it’s my first year actually buying it and I love it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean, as good as Miami is on offense, OKC is just as, if not more impressive on defense.

  • Conor

    If you actually believe that, the past however many years you’ve spent on this site have been a complete waste of your time.

    Battier is overrated, but he seems to go off in the Playoffs. Anderson, Allen, and Beasley, however, are not.

  • Conor

    Meh. I hope you’re right for a potential Finals matchup, but OKC is too mentally weak to match Miami.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    have you actually been watching Miami? that’s the more appropriate question.
    Chris Anderson is a specialist. You can’t count on him for more than energy/rebounding/shot blocking, which is great. But he’s a 20mpg player, you can’t count on him for more than that. And he’s the only one of those guys who is consistently “good”

    Ray Allen is scoring 10ppg and shooting 36% from 3. Considering he is a big minus defensively, he’s hardly a piece to brag about. He’s not any better than Jeremy Lamb has been lately.

    Michael Beasley has been really really good this season. Not good at all defensively, but as a whole he’s been a major plus. But he’s also only played in 22 games, at 18 minutes per contest. Hardly a chip to brag about as making your team more talented than OKC.

    And as you said, Battier doesn’t really show his value till the playoffs…..so acting like he’s a reason Kevin Durant should get more MVP attention is disingenuous.
    Like i said, Durant is clearly the MVP. it just isn’t because Miami has some overwhelmingly better supporting cast. It’s because Durant himself, has been better and more valuable than LeBron thus far this season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m still thinking we’ll see another SA vs MIA finals. If not SA vs IND, i don’t like this coasting nonsense that Miami is doing, i hope they don’t get complacent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, this is the 2nd year in a row i passed (don’t got the loot to spend on something like that), but i get to watch plenty after the fact. i just do a lot of catching up in the mornings.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, he was a ballhog last night. Rightfully so.

    Perkins, Sefolosha, and Jackson are not “good NBA players.”

    They are below average.

    Ibaka is very 2 dimensional. He only does two things very well.

    You SHOULD be a ball hog when you can score like KD can and you have the poor supporting cast that he currently does. Absolutely.

  • LakeShow

    It’s weird that his assists aren’t higher because he is a phenomenal passer.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    please don’t tell me you think Reggie Jackson is below average? have you not been watching Oklahoma City play at all this season?

  • Conor

    I don’t think Miami gets past Indiana without serious official assistance.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I hear ya. I’m soaking it all in now because I ship out for training for 2 months on Feb 18th.

  • Conor

    If my 20mpg sixth man can shoot 100%, or approach it, for entire series while garnering 6-11 rebounds, that’s all I need to know.

    Allen is reliable. Given more minutes, he produces. The fact that he is being compared to Lamb at this stage is a victory for him.

    Beasley will play more as the marathon begins to test their resolve. Given more time, he could contribute as much as Ibaka does defensively, offensively.

    Battier is clutch and effectively guards players who hold significant height and weight advantages on him in a way that Sefolosha, of similar stature, cannot (though the latter is better on the perimeter).

    Durant has been better than LeBron because he has led a mediocre supporting cast to the top of the more competitive conference while James has been able to give modicum effort simply by playing (on the second-best team) in the rancid Eastern Conference.

    I didn’t even respond to you in the first place. Mind your business!

  • LakeShow

    Please don’t tell me you think he has established whether or not he is above average?

    And I’m talking about starting PG position. Not just every point guard in the NBA.

    This kid is talking about how this team is full of solid NBA players. Starting PG’s in the NBA are much better than Reggie Jackson.

    I’ve watched and he has been a terrible shooter some nights. Dead eye some others. He’s not able to set teammates up well. He’s above average at a few things, like getting to the rim, but to say that he is above average in a L full of these starting PG’s:


    My point is that he is not worthy sidekick of Durant full-time. Not whether or not he is on the upper half of total NBA PG’s on rosters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Serge Ibaka scores 14 points a game shooting 52% …. Michael Beasley can’t produce offensively, what Serge Ibaka produces offensively. It’s like you haven’t paid attention to Michael Beasley at any point in his career to say he’s going to not only match Ibaka on offense, but defensively, with his offense alone.

    Battier primarily guards the perimeter, he’s played more SF this season than any other position. When he shares the court with LeBron, typically LeBron is who switches to guard the bigger player.


    if you want me to mind my business, please refrain from saying your obviously uninformed opinion, or give your opinion somewhere where people who do know what they are talking about can’t see it……or just live with the fact that you will be addressed when you do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s because you don’t have the ability to look at anything Miami related objectively.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that is not what you said.


    “Perkins, Sefolosha, and Jackson are not “good NBA players.”"

    – Reggie Jackson has been a good NBA player all season.

    nobody said he was better than any of those guys. you sure as sh*t didn’t, i sure as sh*t didn’t. so cool that you wasted all that time thinking up a list of starting PGs….but that has nothing to do with the words you actually said.

  • LakeShow

    Is it really that interesting that they chose a player who is leading the L in scoring by 3ppg with averages of 30 – 8 – 5 – 1.5 – 1 on 49%-40%-88% who’s team is tied for the 2nd best record in the L despite not having their 2nd MVP in Westbrook out for more than half the season as the current MVP…?

    This is in some way surprising to you??

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Westbrook has missed a grand total of 10 games.

  • LakeShow

    I wouldn’t say clearly. If anything has been clear this season it is that Durant has been the best player and the L MVP.

    What is also clear is we all know when LBJ is fully engaged he is the best, but we can’t just say LeBron is better than KD if he hasn’t been.

  • LakeShow

    You’re killing me…

    You just listed dead eye shooters and two very good defenders, in addition to a #2 lottery pick that is just entering his physical prime and in the best situation of his career… as “not very impressive”.

    This is possibly the most stacked team ever when they are healthy.

  • LakeShow

    I take it your Giannis comment isn’t from last night right?

    He was bad every time I watched.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Shane Battier is a “dead eye” shooter? …. right, he’s shot over 40% from 3 twice in his whole career, so he’s “dead eye” … that 35% he’s shooting right now? don’t let him get open. he’s a killer.

    Ray Allen is so ineffective outside of shooting (where this season he’s also been nothing more than average) he can’t stay on the court. Even without Dwyane Wade. He’s played over 30 minutes a total of 3 times this season. He is nothing like the player his name makes people think of anymore. This is like listing Mitch Richmond as a reason the 2001 Lakers were more talented than the 96 Bulls.

    and then you go and list Beasley’s draft position like that f*cking matters. well, they also have Greg Oden, why didn’t you list him? might as well jump into full blown stupidity mode if you want to make this argument.

    most stacked team ever is so damn ignorant and ridiculous. whatever, if you want to believe that team is the most talented team ever, logic isn’t part of the process. so i won’t be part of the conversation. believe whatever you want Lakeshow.

  • LakeShow

    I’m preparing myself for 2 or 3 weeks from now.

    But I suppose I should wait and see if they maintain top 3 in the L over that time.

  • Porky

    Look how mad you’re getting.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Since Russ went down, Durant is averaging 35.0 points, 9.1 rebounds, 5.4 assists, and 1.9 turnovers. 49.7/36.0/87.8 shooting percentages.

    The team is 4 and 3

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, telling people what they are saying is stupid, and being mad are different things, but yep. this is me,


  • LakeShow

    Someone should hit snooze a couple more times.
    You act like that took more than 2 mins for me whip up.

    Calm down ya grump.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, 2 minutes is longer than i assumed it took you……

  • LakeShow

    I think the Thunder played very poorly last night and the Jazz played very well.

    We’ll find out how bad the Thunder are w/o Westbrook over the next month+.

  • LakeShow

    You can’t deny MCW if he can stay remotely healthy though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and this is pretty clearly the most talented team ever, http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/sixers_66-67.html — the other 5, are probably Celtics and Lakers teams that played in the 60s and 80s.

  • LakeShow


  • LakeShow

    Yeah, definitely had modern era in mind when I said that.

    You know post 1980…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So the Magic led Lakers, and über stacked middle of the decade Celtics…not included? You’d take the 2013 Heat over 96 Bulls? Lol

  • Conor

    Ibaka dunks and takes wide-open elbow jumpers. Big deal. He possesses nary an iota of Beasley’s capacity.

    I don’t recall James guarding the likes of David West or David Lee or Blake Griffin…

    My obviously uninformed opinion which is supported by more people than your decidedly informed opinion, eh?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol, so now the Heat are going to rely on Beasley to not only be better than Ibaka offensively, but actually give him playmaking responsibilities? Rather than judging them based on what they actually do and are asked to produce, you want me to fall back on what is possible?
    And more people agree with you about what…based on what? Idk either. And frankly, I don’t really care. If most people’s opinion follows your line of reasoning, then I am grateful I’m not most people.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Tuesday night thoughts

    1.Kevin Durant scoring 48 points is not impressive to me because considering the fact the Westbrook is hurt that OKC once again is in DICKRIDE DURANT MODE you know Kevin will virtually take all the shots get to the foul line anytime he wants because of his “SUPERSTAR” status and yet his his team lost last night to the worst team in the west the Jazz and Hayward outplayed Durant while wearing Durant own sneaker

    2.Brandon Jennings worst season ever i am starting to think that Detroit is where careers go to die i.e. Ben Gordon Charlie Villanueva

    3.Damien Lillard straight gunner

    4.MCW is real

  • Conor

    No, mostly because they’re inferior to Indiana. Let’s break it down, shall we?

    PG: Chalmers/Cole v. Hill/Stephenson
    (adv: Indiana, slightly)
    SG: Wade/Allen v. Stephenson/Watson/Granger
    (adv: Miami, slightly)
    SF: James/Beasley/Lewis v. George/Granger/Copeland
    (adv: Miami, slightly)
    PF: Battier/Haslem/James v. West/Scola/Jackson
    (adv: Indiana)
    C: Bosh/Anderson/”Oden” v. Hibbert/Mahinmi
    (adv: Indiana)

    So, Indiana takes 3/5 positions. Miami’s advantages at SG/SF are now negligible thanks to Wade’s erosion and George’s ascension, respectively.

    Spoelstra has improved as a coach to match Vogel in most facets, though he relies on taking advantage of his oppositions tactical errors more than manifesting his own superiority.

    Indiana is just better. The only reason why the last game between the two didn’t go to OT was because James was not called for pushing George on the final shot.

    To observe Miami objectively is to acknowledge that they have been given leave of some fouls. That’s the simple fact of the matter. It isn’t subjectivity to appreciate reality.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    In due time I believe he’ll up his assists numbers.

  • Conor

    Beasley’s all-around game has inarguably improved since becoming James’ backup. Are you blind?

    You are a callous narcissist.

  • playa

    No no no my friend, as a lakers fan you’ve supposedly remember that scoring that many points&shooting that many shots paired with L is gonna be crucified no matter how awful your teammates are(lakers circa 2004-2007) oh wait, Kevin Durant’s not Kobe Bryant, TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN, love the hypocrysy of many people though.

  • Conor



  • LakeShow

    The 96 Bulls were the best, but the Heat are the 2nd most talent laden squad since the Celtics era.

    It was a bit hyperbolic to say greatest of all time, but I need people to realize how stacked this squad is.

    No one really talks about how this is the 3rd most stacked team of the last 30 years… And that is an interesting point to make.

  • LakeShow

    I could see him putting up some KG-esque numbers.

    23-13-4-2-3.5… This guy is a freak. I could see him in MVP talks next season.

  • LakeShow

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  • Stepfan Raiford

    Is it crazy that I would take Anthony Davis > Blake Griffin right now?

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Let me get your login once you head out. lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Haha most definitely man

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    You read my mind man. He really is a freak of an athlete and has a nice shooting touch. He’s going to be a force in this league for a long time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    definitely doesn’t get enough shine how talented they are when you consider who their 3 best players are. but from a “role” player standpoint, those guys aren’t really that great. it’s just that they are playing with (3) overwhelmingly good superstars, inside of a truly brilliant system. so good that one of the superstars seems like a very good role player, rather than what he actually is.

    The 2007-08 Celtics have an argument. Although, LeBron/Wade/Bosh is a big difference compared to Garnett/Pierce/Allen. but outside of those (3) the Celtics had the better supporting cast for sure.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his overall efficiency has improved because he’s not being asked to do too much Conor…..have you actually been watching him? stats can be really good, because you are being asked to do a minimum. He is finishing plays, he’s not initiating them. He’s spotting up for jumpers, moving without the ball, picking the ball handeler, he’s not doing anything that Serge Ibaka doesn’t do offensively. Which is why he’s been so good …… for the first time in his career, he’s being asked to do a minimum.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “To observe Miami objectively is to acknowledge that they have been given leave of some fouls”

    - that goes for every single team to ever exist. unless there is a proven slight in officiating … or something obvious enough to call it an actual fact (you know, something you can actually prove benefitted them in a way that never also benefitted the opponent at any other point…missed/bad calls happen, you are a Lakers fan..you should know not to bank on that nonsense.), i’m not going to make excuses for why any team wins. ever.

  • DeMacksBack

    Even though Reggie isn’t a starter I would still take him over Rubio (who I think is overrated), Jennings and Knight. I believe if you switched positions with the players I listed, I think Reggie would actually do a better job. He can shoot better than both Rubio and Jennings, a better pick-n-roll player than all three and he just has the intangibles you would want in a PG.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe


    Durant is not winning a title on the Thunder. He needs to move from the small market and join forces with Lebron

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    no he’s serious.

  • TriggaMan

    Mcw had 33 last night love his game, he is what sean livingston could of been. right now mce is rook of year bit i think burke will surpass him late in the season. I think a co r.o.y would be dope

  • davidR

    that celtic squad was stacked as hell. definitely one of the most complete teams in the past 20 years

  • LakeShow

    You’re unbelievably retarded.

  • davidR

    gotdamn, billy cunningham off the bench? ridiculous.

    they make a great point about having to play the defending champs 9-10 times a year. that is tough

  • davidR

    yea my fault, clearly shouldnt have been used. KD is ballin out of control right now, and its crazy to see him add more dimensions to his game (playmaking and passing). i hope one day he surpasses lebron and lights a fire under that ass

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah man, that team was really really the greatest team ever. i don’t think there is a chance in my lifetime that sentiment will ever change.

  • davidR

    vipbox.net is your friend

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it will be now!

  • LakeShow

    I don’t think you would.

    I think, you think, you would, but actually, if you broke it down and you had to choose, you would choose, Knight, and Rubio.

    You and I have just not seen enough to crown Jackson of anything yet.

    What we know is when he is “on” he can score very well for himself. What we don’t know is everything else. He still hasn’t proven to be able to set team mates up very well, and is a very streaky shooter. He’s a decent defender, but not overly impressive.

    He is putting up 13-4-4 on 46% and 33%. Per 36 mins his numbers are at 18-5-5.

    Those are really nice numbers. Really nice. But… He has yet to have teams game plan for him as a #2 option. He is really good when backing up RW, and has been nice as a fill in so far, but to say that he is better than Knight. A player who has proven through 3 seasons to play at the same heights or greater than Jackson. And Rubio who is a top 3 PG defender in the L and can set his teammates up with the best of them… I think is rubbish. Jennings is a better shooter. He is no more streaky than Reggie has shown so far.

    You can absolutely make arguments, but I have multiple seasons of two guys that have started and had bigger games as proof as my back up.

    Why is Jackson better them?

  • LakeShow

    I can dig.

  • JJ Jones

    Guess all the kd for mvp talk lit a fire under brons ass and killed last night. Too bad kd has absolutely NO offensive help whatsoever had to watch

  • JJ Jones

    For commerical yeah its crazy as far as the game goes no

  • davidR

    that site is clutch! just make sure you have a good adblocker, otherwise you’re gonna have to close billions of popups

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i am sure mensa will disagree as well as the dsm5

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Anthony Davis is more valuable than any Pf in the league right now. He needs to get robin lopez back from the blazers… the pelicans really put a wack team around davis

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe


  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Beasley is a hooper but the thunder are a more talented team… Lebron just takes the squads to a different level… that’s why only the 5 on the court matter. no matter who the pacers get even it was Russell Westbrook, Kobe, Durant, Davis, Dwight howard versus Wade Rio, Lebron, Bosh, Shane batteire…. Lebron too dangerous

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Beasley is a hooper but the thunder are a more talented team… Lebron just takes the squads to a different level… that’s why only the 5 on the court matter. no matter who the pacers get even it was Russell Westbrook, Kobe, Durant, Davis, Dwight howard versus Wade Rio, Lebron, Bosh, Shane batteire…. L

  • JJ Jones

    I couldn’t agree more sefolosha is suppose to be a lockdown defender but he can’t even do that.Wtf is he getting paid for. At kendrick perkins has some use against skilled offensive big men

  • JJ Jones

    For the people who underrate lebrons supporting cast watch what happens when bosh gets 1st option amount of shots against the trailblazers enough said

  • Fan of the game

    Not surprising.
    Interesting that LeBron better than KD at the same age, and supposedly even better now but KD MVP frontrunner. Thus, has LeBron improved as much as people claim? (probably, but shooting % is not the be all end all of the game, and the effect LeBron has on games has not differed as substantially as it appears, he was still ballin at a very, very high level before the efficiency flourish).
    The stretch he had in the 10 season from, particularly from the Sundiata Gaines game to the Denver home game (notched triple dub matched only by O), was about as high a level as LeBron has ever been on. People going to go look at numbers, measure using advanced stats and compare. People haven’t studied the tapes. Re-watch the game films.
    Again, KD ballin at the moment, but all it will take is for LeBron to switch gears and his takin his fifth.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    Thanks for the dime. In the same boat as nbk. No loot to spend on LP. Catch fuzzy streams. Hope your site is the real deal.

  • LakeShow

    To me? Not at all.

  • LakeShow

    We view them quite differently.

    I think KD is better than LeBron was in say, 2008, today.

    LeBron excels in certain aspects of the game, as KD does in others. LeBron can carry teams much better, but personally I think KD would make the Heat possibly better than LeBron does currently if he were to replace him.

    You won’t get many to make that claim, but I stand by it. I believe KD is a better player when matched with higher talent levels than LeBron is when matched with the same. LeBron can carry any team in the L to 55+ plus wins though. Except maybe the Jazz. That’s something KD cannot do.

    It’s disappointing to see LeBron turn his “best player in the L” switch off when he’s in the middle of his prime.

  • LakeShow


  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Why have you enlisted in the army?

  • DeMacksBack

    No, I’m positive that I would take Jackson over the three I mentioned. I’ve seen a lot of Jackson. I do live in Oklahoma, so I watch just about every game they play. And I know what you mean when you say “you and I haven’t seen enough of him”, but from what I’ve seen I would still stick with my decision.

    Yes those are really nice numbers, especially for someone coming off the bench and for someone who runs the second unit. And I’m pretty sure team game-plan for him, he is the 4th leading scorer on the team, with Ibaka only scoring one more point than he does and if you watch his game, he is actually one of the best pick-n-roll players in the league(shooting off of the pick, driving to the lane and finding the open man).

    Jackson: 13,4,4, FG% 46%, 3FG% 32%, FT% 86% PER=17, 26MPG and in the league for 2 years.

    Knight: 15,4,6 FG% 41%, 3FG% 32%, FT% 83%, PER=16, 30MPG and in the league for 2 years. He is also a starter on a pretty wack team, so I believe his numbers should be a lot better than this, especially with the freedom players have with being on horrible teams. He also average 2 more shots than Reggie.

    Rubio: 9,5,8 FG% 35%, 3FG% 34%, FT% 85%, PER=15, 32MPG and in the league for 2 years. I also know Rubio missed time due to the injury, but I still believe he is overrated. He is not a top 3 PG defender, I will list 3 better than him (CP3 defensive rating=101, Bledsoe defensive rating=105 Dragic defensive rating=108) and Rubio is 100. I will give Rubio for seeing the floor like few can, but thats about all he brings to the table.

    Jennings: 17,3,8 FG% 38%, 3FG% 34%, FT% 77%, PER=16, 36MPG and in the league for 4 years.

    Reggie hasn’t gotten any of the same opportunities as these other players and he is coming off of the bench, and basically putting up the same or better numbers. So I’ve stated my case, I still believe he is better than these 3 and I will still take him over all 3!!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Not the Army the Air Force and I joined because I have my degree in Criminology so I wanted to translate it towards military law enforcement like OSI. Which is Office of Special Investigations

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    so you’ll investigate inappropriate behavior and conduct amongst the air force soldiers. that’s a noble and admirable task

  • i_ball

    1. OKC didn’t have their second and third best offensive players. Westbrook and Ibaka attempt almost 30 FG per game. When they are out somebody has to take those shots.

  • Fan of the game

    We’ll said. I must say, you are one of the very few that appears to get the game; and discuss and dissect at a high level, on this site at the least. I’ve got the time for that and look forward to continuing to express and learn from participating in future discussions with real hoop heads such as yourself.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Yes that’s the plan. I figured one day I was sitting around complaining about the state of the military amongst the ranks with my friends and figured “hey why not put myself in a position to change it instead of sitting around doing nothing”

  • Mike Gilbert

    Maybe if you actually had a job and don’t spend most of the day here you could afford LP of asking your mom for it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    or maybe i could afford it if i really really wanted to, but i have a family to pay for, you know, priorities. you’ll learn about them someday.

  • LakeShow

    Why are you using logic and reason?!

  • LakeShow

    “Reggie hasn’t gotten any of the same opportunities as these other players and he is coming off of the bench.”

    Exactly why you can’t make this claim.

    He hasn’t received the defensive attention a starting PG that has been game planned for has. Like Knight, Rubio, and Jennings.

    The L know’s what these guys have as their main weapons and tries it’s best to exploit what they are not good at.

    You’re basically saying you’ll take MCW over John Wall.

    You can make an argument, but the sample size is too small to actually make an informed opinion.

    You may be right. But it is not determined yet.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    maybe try and refrain from judging other people captain morals.

  • DeMacksBack

    You should’ve typed out the whole quote, not just a piece that may help your point. And I’m pretty sure i can make a claim, if I truly believe in it.

    How has he not? He’s started a whole playoff series and part of another, he’s started multiple times this year, he actually runs the second unit and one of only three players on the team who can create their own shot. So how do you not game plan for that?

    Well if you really want to compare the two for their rookies years, MCW was actually a little better than Wall, even thought the sample size is small. But if you are trying to predict the future of the two, you may want to roll the dice on MCW.

    Well it’s just my opinion, and we will find out sooner or later.

  • LakeShow

    Here you go:

    “Reggie hasn’t gotten any of the same opportunities as these other players and he is coming off of the bench, and basically putting up the same or better numbers.”

    Exactly why you can’t make this claim. Last year in the playoffs he averaged 14-5-4-.5-.5 Those numbers are nice, but they are not separation numbers from the other guards mentioned. Jennings put up 19ppg in the playoffs with 4 dimes 3 boards and a steal. Jackson’s numbers are not better than that and he is playing off of the best player in the L currently. Where-as Jennings had pure crap for teammates.

    Brandon Knight has shown flashes of greatness more so than Jackson. This season he is averaging 15 – 4.5 – 4 – 1 on 13 shots. He has had more superb games to his career. He has scored more than 35 points twice this season. He also had a 26-14-8 game a week or two ago.

    Rubio is a top 5 play-maker and defender at the PG position. He too has more impressive games to his career than Jackson. He has a triple double this season in addition to games like the 16-16-6-3 he put up earlier in the season.

    My point is not that Jackson is not good. And I didn’t even want to put him in my original statement of: “Perkins, Sefolosha, and Jackson are not “good NBA players.”

    I think Jackson is a good player. Obviously he is. My point is he is not a very good PG if you are a title contender like the Thunder are. And that it wasn’t bad for Durant to take 30+ shots when Jackson is his starting PG and maybe 2nd best player on the court with him. That was the whole point. Not to rag on Jackson. He’s very solid and I spoke earlier in the year about how he and Lamb have made up for the Harden trade.

    Cool? Cool.

  • DeMacksBack

    How can you not compare? That’s what this whole debate is about. Those are kool numbers for Jennings, but those stats are from the 09/10 season. Lets look at his numbers from last years playoffs. Jennings 12/13 playoffs= 13,3,4 FG% 30%, 3FG% 21%, FT% 72% as the co-leader of the team and the freedom to go out there and play your a$$ off. You can say they played the Heat, but the Heat were toying with them, so those numbers should’ve been a lot better.

    Reggie 12/13 playoffs= 14,5,4 FG% 48%, 3FG% 30%, FT% 90% as a backup thrown into a situation that he clearly didn’t know was coming. Also he had crazy pressure to compete with the 2nd best player in the world and he was actually the 2nd best player on the team throughout their playoff run. So yes I would still take Reggie over Jennings.

    Jennings may’ve had pure crap teammates, but he is and was playing in the horrible Eastern conference. Whereas Reggie is playing in a tougher conference and has more pressure on him to perform playing with the 2nd best player in the world.

    Knight has shown flashes is true, but dude only has better numbers, because of the freedom of just playing and also being in the wacker conference. He averages 2 more shots than Reggie and plays 4 more minutes. You give Reggie the same amount of shots/minutes he’s going to put up the same or better numbers. Also Reggie just scored his career high of 27 and then the next games dropped 20,5,6 and 4 stls. He isn’t going to get a lot of opportunities to put up shots with Durant taking almost all of them. I give Knight credit for that game, but dude did play 50 minutes that game and he played the Lakers=no d and score at will. He also took 25 shots to get those 37 points, so lets not compare that one game.

    I’ve already discussed Rubio and he is a great playmaker, but don’t just list a couple good games to justify your point. We are talking about overall talent and who we think are/will be the better players.

  • LakeShow

    “I’ve already discussed Rubio and he is a great playmaker, but don’t just list a couple good games to justify your point. We are talking about overall talent and who we think are/will be the better players.”

    No we aren’t talking about “who we think are/will be the better players”

    We are talking about what we currently have for information on them. Jackson has an “incomplete” at this point.

    I have allot more than “a couple good games” as a sample size. You don’t. Jackson hasn’t played enough to form an opinion about his placement amongst point guards.

    37 points on 25 FG’s is pretty good. If you make over 50% of your FG’s that puts you at 26ppg on 25FG’s. So he got an extra 11 points at a 50% fg rate.

    Feel free to think Jackson is better than Rubio, Jennings, and Knight. I neither agree nor disagree. We haven’t seen enough yet. I will take the proven guys even if they are proven to have major flaws.