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Post Up: Night of the Upset

Curry leads Warriors past Heat, both NY teams beat West contenders

by Brett Weisband | @weisband

Cavaliers(11-21) 87, Magic (10-22) 81 (OT)

Cleveland came back from a big deficit in the final minute of regulation, tying the game with less than a second to go when Dion Waiters (17 points) bull rushed the rim for an easy layup. In the OT period, Anderson Varejao (18 points, 25 rebounds) dominated, adding six points and three boards to his impressive totals, which featured a career-high (and team record) in rebounds.

The Cavaliers trailed 79-70 with under a minute to go, but Waiters and Jarrett Jack worked their way to the line, including a foul on a three-point attempt for Jack, and Waiters hit two driving layups to tie things up. The Magic certainly didn’t do much to win the game, missing two field goal attempts, two free throws and turning the ball over once during that hectic final minute. Big Baby Davis led the magic with 16 points and 13 boards, while Arron Afflalo was harrassed into a 5-15 shooting night on the way to 12 points. The win for the Cavs snapped a season-high six game losing streak, even though Kyrie Irving sat the game with an injured knee. 

Warriors (21-13) 123, Heat (24-8) 114

When Steph Curry gets hot, there’s not much an opponent can do but watch in awe. The world champion Heat mustered a fight, but were helpless as Curry went supernova on them, going bonkers in a third quarter run that staked the Warriors to a big lead. Steph finished with 36 points on 13-22 shooting, making 8-15 from long range, while dishing out 12 assists. David Lee was brilliant as well, going for 32 points and 14 boards in support of Steph. Seriously, though – good luck stopping this: 

Curry had 10 points and an assist in the first five minutes of the third quarter, helping Golden State grow their lead to 14 points. While the Heat mounted several rallies throughout the second half, they were never able to get over the hump. LeBron James put up a 25-5-5 line for the Heat, but turned the ball over eight times and left skid marks on the floor as he careened off his tracks and into the lane.

Dwyane Wade chipped in 22 on 9-18 shooting, keeping up his career-best shooting year.

While Miami’s defense has a tendency to be less than attentive in some regular season games, they were especially lax in this one. Golden State shot 51.7 percent (15-29) from deep, getting plenty of open looks (Curry doesn’t need to be open, but that’s besides the point). The Warriors are the hottest team in the league right now, winners of six straight.

Bulls (13-18) 94, Celtics (13-19) 82

Joakim Noah nearly got himself a triple double in leading the Bulls to an ugly win over the Celtics. Noah posted 17 points and 11 boards, but fell one assist shy of reaching double figures in assists, finishing with nine.

This game had all the bricks you would expect between these two teams, as neither squad shot well at all. The Bulls shot 41.7 percent in victory, barely better than the Celtics’ 39.5 percent shooting performance. The two teams combined to shoot 4-27 from three. Jordan Crawford led the Celtics with 22, while Carlos Boozer contributed 16 for Chicago.

Nets (11-21) 95, Thunder (25-7) 93

They looked like they were done several times, but the floundering Nets hung in and rallied for a big comeback win in OKC. Joe Johnson (nine points), master of the last second shot, nailed a jumper over Serge Ibaka as time expired, sending Brooklyn to the win. Johnson is now 6-6 on shots in the final 10 seconds of regulation/OT and the score within three points since joining the Nets, per Tim Bontemps of the New York Post. 

The Nets trailed by 16 early in the third quarter and by 12 to start the fourth, but the beleaguered squad steadily climbed back into the game. Johnson scored seven of his points in the final quarter, while Deron Williams (29 points, 10-17 shooting, five steals) drilled a three and a turnaround out of the post to stake the Nets to a late lead. Kevin Durant (24 points, just 13 field goal attempts) made a layup and picked up an assist off a tipped pass to Serge Ibaka (10 and 11 boards) to tie it back up before Johnson’s winner.

This marks the second straight game where OKC has blown a big lead at home after they allowed Portland to come back on them on New Year’s Eve. For Brooklyn, this snapped a two-game skid and was the Nets’ second win in their past eight games.

Knicks (10-21) 105, Spurs (25-8) 101

Carmelo Anthony scored 27 in his return from a sprained ankle, but Iman Shumpert was the one who put the Knicks on his back to get them their first win against a Western Conference opponent this season. Shump hit for 27 as well, setting a new career high, and made several huge plays down the stretch. He recovered a ball in the backcourt and then knocked down a triple to give New York a 101-98 lead with 39 seconds to go, then moments later hustled into position to get a putback layup that gave the Knicks the lead for good.

Marco Belinelli did everything he could to carry the Spurs on a night where their stars struggled, scoring 32 points on 12-16 shooting, including 6-9 from deep. The Spurs’ Big Three combined for just 32 points, while Kawhi Leonard managed just eight on 1-5 shooting.

Grizzlies (14-17) 99, Suns (19-12) 91

Memphis rode a big fourth quarter from Jerryd Bayless, who scored 13 of his 17 points in the period, to overcome Goran Dragic’s career night. Memphis was able to shake off a huge third quarter by the Suns, who reeled off an 18-0 run that put them ahead 62-57. Dragic scored eight of his 33 points during the run and had 15 total points in the quarter. 

Memphis got a big effort from Zach Randolph, who went for 20 and 15 rebounds. He’s now hit the 20-10 mark in four of Memphis’ last six games. Phoenix was playing without half of its starting backcourt, as Eric Bledsoe sat out after injuring his knee against the Clippers. 

Jazz (11-24) 96, Milwaukee (7-25) 87

The Jazz got big efforts from two of their young stars, pulling away from Milwaukee as the game wore on. Derrick Favors went for 21 points and 11 boards, and Gordon Hayward snapped out of a mini-funk to put up 22 as the Jazz won their second game in a row. The Jazz offense, improving since Trey Burke (11 points, four assists) made his season debut six weeks ago, featured a heavy dose of Favors on Thursday, as the big man took 16 shots, six above his season average, and got plenty of looks in the paint.

Milwaukee got a nice game from Larry Sanders, who went 7-7 from the field for 16 points to lead the team. The Bucks actually outshot the Jazz from the field, but lost the battle at the three-point and foul lines.

76ers (11-21) 113, Kings (10-21) 104

Michael Carter-Williams can have a few more laughs on Twitter, as the “tanking” Sixers stayed undefeated in 2014 and won their third straight game on the road. Thaddeus Young was all over the court for the Sixers, getting to the basket at will for 28 points and swiping away six steals against a sloppy Kings team that committed 22 turnovers. Backup point guard Tony Wroten stepped up to score 21 points off the bench as MCW (seven points, 3-11 shooting, three blocks) struggled offensively. Evan Turner put up another nice stat line for the Sixers, notching a 24 point, 10 rebound double double and throwing in six assists.

DeMarcus Cousins threw up a massive offensive game despite being in foul trouble for much of the evening, going for 33 and 14, fouling out Sixers starting center Spencer Hawes (not the most popular dude in Sacto, thanks to his campaigning for a Seattle franchise) in just 17 minutes of playing time. Jimmer Fredette nearly dragged the Kings back into the game, scoring 12 of his 15 points in a fourth quarter run, but Sacramento fell short in the end.

Trail Blazers (26-7) 134, Bobcats (14-20) 104

Stop me if you’ve heard this before: Portland set fire to the scoreboard, hitting 20 shots from downtown (21-33, actually) for the second time this season. This time, they lit up the sixth-ranked defense in the league, raining in jumper after jumper to torch the Bobcats. Damian Lillard led the parade, hitting 6-6 from deep on the way to 24 points, and Wesley Matthews knocked in 5-6 triples and 8-13 overall to score 25 for Portland. When the Blazers’ offense is humming like this, with the ball swinging from side to side until someone comes open behind the arc, it makes any defensive issues seem pretty irrelevant.

Chris Douglas-Roberts led Charlotte with 20 points off the bench, but Kemba Walker struggled mightily, scoring just six points. The Bobcats, perhaps knowing they didn’t have the firepower to keep up, attempted five fewer threes than the Blazers made.

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  • TriggaMan

    1. Would the jazz be a 500 team if burke played all season?
    2. If someone helps Melo score, off his double and knocks down shots, there a playoff team
    3. How did the magic lose last night lol? Up 7 with 20 seconds left
    4. Blazers need a nickname involving shooting a 3?
    5. Lastly, derozan is an all star

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Joe Johnson is clutch. Simple as that. I wish he played like the elite player he’s capable of being. He has all the tools; silky smooth jumper, post game etc. No reason why he shouldn’t be in the conversation as one of the best shooting guards in the league but he just doesn’t show up every night. Always in cruise control. I think its time to add Joe Johnson to that if you need a game winner scenario list. Serge couldn’t defend it no better than he did. Btw Happy New Year fellas.

  • Harvey

    I see Steph Curry has become a much better facilitator on the court; which is good for him and the Warriors. Never realized he is averaging 20 and 10 pretty much. (23.4 and 9.6).
    The Warriors have three starters shooting better than 41% on the 3-ball. They are a headache for defenses across the league…

  • Saleem Rainman

    Anyone not ready to label Steph Curry a superstar yet?

    to add to that, Curry might be the best and most accurate “bad” shot taker ever. over triple teams, double teams, from way beyond the 3 point line, it doesnt even matter to this guy.

  • brothasdontsurf

    The Suns and Blazers, and obviously San Antonio, make me believe that team basketball can still be a viable option for winning in the League. I just hope they don’t hit that post-ASG wall

  • uqk

    have u watch spurs for the last decade :)

  • brothasdontsurf

    I edited it 10 sec after I posted it, only because I thought it was a given that SAS were the standard for that style of play

  • i_ball

    You also have to give credit to the Heat and Pacers – they move the ball as well as anybody

  • spit hot fiyah

    i want to start a petition that we can send to the league office. joe johnson should be allowed to do the sam cassell/big balls dance as much as he want without getting fined

  • brothasdontsurf

    But they have names on their team.
    name the Suns starting 5 off the top of your dome amigo…

  • JML-G

    1. no
    2. yea
    3. they are young and weak
    4. naw, let em ball
    5. hell no

  • LLC#12

    Amen, he takes shots that 99% of players in the NBA shouldn’t even dream about. He makes em too!

  • i_ball

    LoL – I can’t

  • davidR

    as a dubs fan in the bay, it is also very very very frustrating when both curry and klay go cold. the offense stalls like crazy

  • davidR

    it’s a love/hate thing with that guy. he takes a bunch of bad shots that go in haha

  • LakeShow

    Marco Belinelli is ballin this season. That Spurs system bodes well for shooters.

    I remember someone calling Steph Curry an inconsistent shooter or something to that affect. I laughed pretty hard at that then, and even harder last night. The three pointer to him is no more difficult and maybe even less difficult than a layup. It’s insane how good of a shooter he is. He’s quickly becoming the best shooter the L has ever seen.

    ….

    PDX is a blast to watch.

    nbk, and I had a mini-conversation yesterday about the effect that Kevin Love and LA have on their teams winning ball games.

    Led me into doing some research.

    LaMarcus Aldridge has had 11 games this year where he has taken as many, or more, FGA as points scored. Typically the mark of an efficient scoring night is how far the differential is in the FGA to the total Points allotted. Hence why players like James Harden and Derrick Rose are still efficient scorers despite lower FG% numbers.

    Interestingly enough PDX is 10-1 in these games! (91% winning ratio)

    Conversely when LA has scored more efficiently the Blazers find themselves at a 22-6 (78%)mark.What does this mean? Is PDX better off with LA shooting inefficiently?

    Both good winning percentages, one much greater than the other.

    Personally, I think it means jack sh*t.

    He’s the Blazers best player, and maybe the best 4 in the L, depending on who you ask. His scoring efficiency pales in comparison to the impact he is having on one of the top 5 teams in the west.

    Kevin Love has 6 games compared to LA’s 11 where he has shot as many or more FGA as points allotted.

    In those 6 games the Timber-Wolves are 0-6. They have a 0% winning % when K-Love scores inefficiently. Meaning the T-Wolves are 16-10 when Love scores more efficiently.

    In my mind this would mean that The T-Wolves are much more dependent on Love’s offensive output for them to win than the Blazers are on LA’s offensive acumen.

    What are your thoughts on this if any?

  • LakeShow

    I do not understand you…. You love Monta Ellis, but not Curry for the Warriors…… WHAT?!

  • LakeShow

    I do not understand you…. You love Monta Ellis, but not Curry for the Warriors…… WHAT?!

  • LakeShow

    I do not understand you…. You love Monta Ellis, but not Curry for the Warriors…… WHAT?!

  • thebossman15

    kobe is the most accurate bad shot taker ever

  • thebossman15

    kobe is the most accurate bad shot taker ever

  • thebossman15

    kobe is the most accurate bad shot taker ever

  • LakeShow

    This is true.

    And part of why people hate KB. He doesn’t need to take as bad of shots as he does most the time, but he know’s he can make them at an above average clip so he does any way.

  • LakeShow

    This is true.

    And part of why people hate KB. He doesn’t need to take as bad of shots as he does most the time, but he know’s he can make them at an above average clip so he does any way.

  • LakeShow

    This is true.

    And part of why people hate KB. He doesn’t need to take as bad of shots as he does most the time, but he know’s he can make them at an above average clip so he does any way.

  • thebossman15

    the thing with kobe though is you can tell he practices these shots, whereas guys like jr smith shoot them just for the hell of it

  • thebossman15

    the thing with kobe though is you can tell he practices these shots, whereas guys like jr smith shoot them just for the hell of it

  • thebossman15

    the thing with kobe though is you can tell he practices these shots, whereas guys like jr smith shoot them just for the hell of it

  • davidR

    haha lemme explain:

    monta took lots of shots, but he didn’t take contested well defended shots without first probing the defense. plus, he never had as good of a team as curry currently has. i dont mind giving him a pass cuz he had to carry a bunch of dleague starters for a while. he had no options (cj watson? cartier martin? anthony tolliver? the corpse of andris biedrins? corey maggette?) . but when he ran with a squad, he was shooting 53% so….

    curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does. i can’t exactly call it luck because they drop most of the time, but if you watch warrior games often, curry jacks up these bad shots often — early in the shot clock, no passing, etc.

    i mean it’s cool when he’s hot, but the times he goes cold… it gets really ugly.

    hence, love/hate

  • davidR

    haha lemme explain:

    monta took lots of shots, but he didn’t take contested well defended shots without first probing the defense. plus, he never had as good of a team as curry currently has. i dont mind giving him a pass cuz he had to carry a bunch of dleague starters for a while. he had no options (cj watson? cartier martin? anthony tolliver? the corpse of andris biedrins? corey maggette?) . but when he ran with a squad, he was shooting 53% so….

    curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does. i can’t exactly call it luck because they drop most of the time, but if you watch warrior games often, curry jacks up these bad shots often — early in the shot clock, no passing, etc.

    i mean it’s cool when he’s hot, but the times he goes cold… it gets really ugly.

    hence, love/hate

  • davidR

    haha lemme explain:

    monta took lots of shots, but he didn’t take contested well defended shots without first probing the defense. plus, he never had as good of a team as curry currently has. i dont mind giving him a pass cuz he had to carry a bunch of dleague starters for a while. he had no options (cj watson? cartier martin? anthony tolliver? the corpse of andris biedrins? corey maggette?) . but when he ran with a squad, he was shooting 53% so….

    curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does. i can’t exactly call it luck because they drop most of the time, but if you watch warrior games often, curry jacks up these bad shots often — early in the shot clock, no passing, etc.

    i mean it’s cool when he’s hot, but the times he goes cold… it gets really ugly.

    hence, love/hate

  • danpowers

    where can i sign?

  • danpowers

    where can i sign?

  • danpowers

    where can i sign?

  • danpowers

    where can i sign?

  • danpowers

    the definition of irony: JR smith helped THE KNICKS beat THE SPURS by smart and unselfish play in the clutch without attempting many shots.

  • danpowers

    the definition of irony: JR smith helped THE KNICKS beat THE SPURS by smart and unselfish play in the clutch without attempting many shots.

  • danpowers

    the definition of irony: JR smith helped THE KNICKS beat THE SPURS by smart and unselfish play in the clutch without attempting many shots.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is a much much better offensive player than Monta Ellis…

    “curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does”

    by what measure? an off balance 18 footer is a much worse shot than an off balance 3…especially considering Curry is currently having his worst shooting season since his rookie year…..and he still has a higher TS% than Monta Ellis has ever had in any one season of his career….including 2008

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is a much much better offensive player than Monta Ellis…

    “curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does”

    by what measure? an off balance 18 footer is a much worse shot than an off balance 3…especially considering Curry is currently having his worst shooting season since his rookie year…..and he still has a higher TS% than Monta Ellis has ever had in any one season of his career….including 2008

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is a much much better offensive player than Monta Ellis…

    “curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does”

    by what measure? an off balance 18 footer is a much worse shot than an off balance 3…especially considering Curry is currently having his worst shooting season since his rookie year…..and he still has a higher TS% than Monta Ellis has ever had in any one season of his career….including 2008

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is a much much better offensive player than Monta Ellis…

    “curry takes waaaaayyyy more bad shots than monta does”

    by what measure? an off balance 18 footer is a much worse shot than an off balance 3…especially considering Curry is currently having his worst shooting season since his rookie year…..and he still has a higher TS% than Monta Ellis has ever had in any one season of his career….including 2008

  • danpowers

    LA’s presense opens up the court for the blazers spacing. he just makes smart plays even though he could score a little more efficient on some nights. even when he has subpar shooting nights defensive rotations still have to respect his mid range game. he is also better on defense than most give him credit for, people shouldnt underestimate that.

    i think its just impossible to compare love to la head to head unless we dont see love in la’s role in portland and verce visa.

    u had a typo there:
    “They have a 0% winning % when K-Love scores efficiently”

  • danpowers

    LA’s presense opens up the court for the blazers spacing. he just makes smart plays even though he could score a little more efficient on some nights. even when he has subpar shooting nights defensive rotations still have to respect his mid range game. he is also better on defense than most give him credit for, people shouldnt underestimate that.

    i think its just impossible to compare love to la head to head unless we dont see love in la’s role in portland and verce visa.

    u had a typo there:
    “They have a 0% winning % when K-Love scores efficiently”

  • danpowers

    LA’s presense opens up the court for the blazers spacing. he just makes smart plays even though he could score a little more efficient on some nights. even when he has subpar shooting nights defensive rotations still have to respect his mid range game. he is also better on defense than most give him credit for, people shouldnt underestimate that.

    i think its just impossible to compare love to la head to head unless we dont see love in la’s role in portland and verce visa.

    u had a typo there:
    “They have a 0% winning % when K-Love scores efficiently”

  • danpowers

    LA’s presense opens up the court for the blazers spacing. he just makes smart plays even though he could score a little more efficient on some nights. even when he has subpar shooting nights defensive rotations still have to respect his mid range game. he is also better on defense than most give him credit for, people shouldnt underestimate that.

    i think its just impossible to compare love to la head to head unless we dont see love in la’s role in portland and verce visa.

    u had a typo there:
    “They have a 0% winning % when K-Love scores efficiently”

  • LakeShow

    LOL, I laughed pretty hard at this.

  • LakeShow

    LOL, I laughed pretty hard at this.

  • LakeShow

    LOL, I laughed pretty hard at this.

  • LakeShow

    LOL, I laughed pretty hard at this.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i feel like this is relevant,

    “• Kevin Love, who has demonstrated he can be a solid shooter, has looked awful in the midrange, where he has made just 33 percent of his 131 shots (2 percentage points better than Rubio). For comparison, Luis Scola leads the league with a 54 percent midrange clip, and Dirk Nowitzki is second at 51 percent (both are forwards).”

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87263/courtvision-whats-the-matter-with-ricky-rubio

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i feel like this is relevant,

    “• Kevin Love, who has demonstrated he can be a solid shooter, has looked awful in the midrange, where he has made just 33 percent of his 131 shots (2 percentage points better than Rubio). For comparison, Luis Scola leads the league with a 54 percent midrange clip, and Dirk Nowitzki is second at 51 percent (both are forwards).”

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87263/courtvision-whats-the-matter-with-ricky-rubio

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i feel like this is relevant,

    “• Kevin Love, who has demonstrated he can be a solid shooter, has looked awful in the midrange, where he has made just 33 percent of his 131 shots (2 percentage points better than Rubio). For comparison, Luis Scola leads the league with a 54 percent midrange clip, and Dirk Nowitzki is second at 51 percent (both are forwards).”

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87263/courtvision-whats-the-matter-with-ricky-rubio

  • LakeShow

    Why?

  • LakeShow

    Why?

  • LakeShow

    Why?

  • LakeShow

    Why?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because the way the Timberwolves offense runs, Kevin Love really can’t have the offense run through him. The more shots he’s getting indicates that their offense is straying from their strengths.

    For instance, as you stated, they are 0-6 when Love shoots more than he scores. — Well, Minnesota is also 0-6 in games where Kevin Love attempts more than 21 shots.

    Leading me to assume, if Love is shooting that many shots, the offense must be running through him in the midrange/post, where he is nothing special at all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because the way the Timberwolves offense runs, Kevin Love really can’t have the offense run through him. The more shots he’s getting indicates that their offense is straying from their strengths.

    For instance, as you stated, they are 0-6 when Love shoots more than he scores. — Well, Minnesota is also 0-6 in games where Kevin Love attempts more than 21 shots.

    Leading me to assume, if Love is shooting that many shots, the offense must be running through him in the midrange/post, where he is nothing special at all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because the way the Timberwolves offense runs, Kevin Love really can’t have the offense run through him. The more shots he’s getting indicates that their offense is straying from their strengths.

    For instance, as you stated, they are 0-6 when Love shoots more than he scores. — Well, Minnesota is also 0-6 in games where Kevin Love attempts more than 21 shots.

    Leading me to assume, if Love is shooting that many shots, the offense must be running through him in the midrange/post, where he is nothing special at all.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because the way the Timberwolves offense runs, Kevin Love really can’t have the offense run through him. The more shots he’s getting indicates that their offense is straying from their strengths.

    For instance, as you stated, they are 0-6 when Love shoots more than he scores. — Well, Minnesota is also 0-6 in games where Kevin Love attempts more than 21 shots.

    Leading me to assume, if Love is shooting that many shots, the offense must be running through him in the midrange/post, where he is nothing special at all.

  • LakeShow

    Hmm, I’m so stupid I still don’t see the typo.

    That’s all fine and good what you said. I agree. Great defender, he does what’s asked of him, etc…

    All things must be taken into account. If the PDX Blazers win more games with LA scoring inefficiently rather than efficiently, then maybe their ability to win ball games is less based upon his offensive output and more so on the rest of the team? Possibly?

    And doesn’t it appear that K-Loves offensive output is the catalyst for the T-Wolves to win games?

    So it appears to me that the Blazers are most dependent on LA defensively. And the Wolves dependent on Love offensively.

  • LakeShow

    Hmm, I’m so stupid I still don’t see the typo.

    That’s all fine and good what you said. I agree. Great defender, he does what’s asked of him, etc…

    All things must be taken into account. If the PDX Blazers win more games with LA scoring inefficiently rather than efficiently, then maybe their ability to win ball games is less based upon his offensive output and more so on the rest of the team? Possibly?

    And doesn’t it appear that K-Loves offensive output is the catalyst for the T-Wolves to win games?

    So it appears to me that the Blazers are most dependent on LA defensively. And the Wolves dependent on Love offensively.

  • LakeShow

    Hmm, I’m so stupid I still don’t see the typo.

    That’s all fine and good what you said. I agree. Great defender, he does what’s asked of him, etc…

    All things must be taken into account. If the PDX Blazers win more games with LA scoring inefficiently rather than efficiently, then maybe their ability to win ball games is less based upon his offensive output and more so on the rest of the team? Possibly?

    And doesn’t it appear that K-Loves offensive output is the catalyst for the T-Wolves to win games?

    So it appears to me that the Blazers are most dependent on LA defensively. And the Wolves dependent on Love offensively.

  • LakeShow

    Hmm, I’m so stupid I still don’t see the typo.

    That’s all fine and good what you said. I agree. Great defender, he does what’s asked of him, etc…

    All things must be taken into account. If the PDX Blazers win more games with LA scoring inefficiently rather than efficiently, then maybe their ability to win ball games is less based upon his offensive output and more so on the rest of the team? Possibly?

    And doesn’t it appear that K-Loves offensive output is the catalyst for the T-Wolves to win games?

    So it appears to me that the Blazers are most dependent on LA defensively. And the Wolves dependent on Love offensively.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the word you are looking for is inefficiently. that’s the typo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the word you are looking for is inefficiently. that’s the typo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the word you are looking for is inefficiently. that’s the typo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the word you are looking for is inefficiently. that’s the typo.

  • davidR

    i dont exactly know what makes up the TS%, but i do know that 3s count for a lot. and seeing as how curry shoots a lot more 3s than monta, it makes sense his TS% is higher.

    i’m mostly referring to shot selection. too many times i’ve seen curry just jack up shots without really getting anyone involved — early in the shot clock, no passing, not attempting to collapse the d. he is improving his distribution which i like, and he seems to be playing better as an actual point, but i just have an issue with jacking up the shots he does, especially with all the weapons available to him.

    ultimately, i’m not trying to knock him, or even compare him to monta (just trying to respond to lake since he brought up monta). i just have some criticism with his game. he has a real chance to become something special for the dubs, something this franchise hasn’t had in a LONG time. he’s young, he works hard, and i am expecting him to take the next step.

    it’s just, i don’t think we’ve seen a bonafide scorer with this kind of shooting ability before. for better or worse, when he gives himself the green light, odds are it’ll hurt the team more than it’ll help. nobody can deny that he takes bad shots — they do go in, but is that something that can be relied upon long term?

  • davidR

    i dont exactly know what makes up the TS%, but i do know that 3s count for a lot. and seeing as how curry shoots a lot more 3s than monta, it makes sense his TS% is higher.

    i’m mostly referring to shot selection. too many times i’ve seen curry just jack up shots without really getting anyone involved — early in the shot clock, no passing, not attempting to collapse the d. he is improving his distribution which i like, and he seems to be playing better as an actual point, but i just have an issue with jacking up the shots he does, especially with all the weapons available to him.

    ultimately, i’m not trying to knock him, or even compare him to monta (just trying to respond to lake since he brought up monta). i just have some criticism with his game. he has a real chance to become something special for the dubs, something this franchise hasn’t had in a LONG time. he’s young, he works hard, and i am expecting him to take the next step.

    it’s just, i don’t think we’ve seen a bonafide scorer with this kind of shooting ability before. for better or worse, when he gives himself the green light, odds are it’ll hurt the team more than it’ll help. nobody can deny that he takes bad shots — they do go in, but is that something that can be relied upon long term?

  • davidR

    i dont exactly know what makes up the TS%, but i do know that 3s count for a lot. and seeing as how curry shoots a lot more 3s than monta, it makes sense his TS% is higher.

    i’m mostly referring to shot selection. too many times i’ve seen curry just jack up shots without really getting anyone involved — early in the shot clock, no passing, not attempting to collapse the d. he is improving his distribution which i like, and he seems to be playing better as an actual point, but i just have an issue with jacking up the shots he does, especially with all the weapons available to him.

    ultimately, i’m not trying to knock him, or even compare him to monta (just trying to respond to lake since he brought up monta). i just have some criticism with his game. he has a real chance to become something special for the dubs, something this franchise hasn’t had in a LONG time. he’s young, he works hard, and i am expecting him to take the next step.

    it’s just, i don’t think we’ve seen a bonafide scorer with this kind of shooting ability before. for better or worse, when he gives himself the green light, odds are it’ll hurt the team more than it’ll help. nobody can deny that he takes bad shots — they do go in, but is that something that can be relied upon long term?

  • davidR

    i dont exactly know what makes up the TS%, but i do know that 3s count for a lot. and seeing as how curry shoots a lot more 3s than monta, it makes sense his TS% is higher.

    i’m mostly referring to shot selection. too many times i’ve seen curry just jack up shots without really getting anyone involved — early in the shot clock, no passing, not attempting to collapse the d. he is improving his distribution which i like, and he seems to be playing better as an actual point, but i just have an issue with jacking up the shots he does, especially with all the weapons available to him.

    ultimately, i’m not trying to knock him, or even compare him to monta (just trying to respond to lake since he brought up monta). i just have some criticism with his game. he has a real chance to become something special for the dubs, something this franchise hasn’t had in a LONG time. he’s young, he works hard, and i am expecting him to take the next step.

    it’s just, i don’t think we’ve seen a bonafide scorer with this kind of shooting ability before. for better or worse, when he gives himself the green light, odds are it’ll hurt the team more than it’ll help. nobody can deny that he takes bad shots — they do go in, but is that something that can be relied upon long term?

  • Max

    Damn how did Orlando throw away that game? lol
    Steph getting sick with it again!

  • Max

    Damn how did Orlando throw away that game? lol
    Steph getting sick with it again!

  • Max

    Damn how did Orlando throw away that game? lol
    Steph getting sick with it again!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    TS% literally tells how much each shot is worth. 2pa+3pa+FTa

    Obviously someone who shoots 41% from 3 is going to have a higher TS% then someone who shoots 41% from 2…..but that’s the whole reason relying on FG% is so misleading. It’s why guys like Kobe have a reputation as inefficient, when in reality he’s been an upper echelon scorer from the guard position.. from an efficiency standpoint..

    - Statistically speaking, Steph has to find a medium. Shooting between 6-9 three’s a game seems to benefit the Warriors the most. I realize how frustrating it can be to watch such an unorthodox player, but trust the he is much much more effective than any guard Golden State has had since Tim Hardaway.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    TS% literally tells how much each shot is worth. 2pa+3pa+FTa

    Obviously someone who shoots 41% from 3 is going to have a higher TS% then someone who shoots 41% from 2…..but that’s the whole reason relying on FG% is so misleading. It’s why guys like Kobe have a reputation as inefficient, when in reality he’s been an upper echelon scorer from the guard position.. from an efficiency standpoint..

    - Statistically speaking, Steph has to find a medium. Shooting between 6-9 three’s a game seems to benefit the Warriors the most. I realize how frustrating it can be to watch such an unorthodox player, but trust the he is much much more effective than any guard Golden State has had since Tim Hardaway.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    TS% literally tells how much each shot is worth. 2pa+3pa+FTa

    Obviously someone who shoots 41% from 3 is going to have a higher TS% then someone who shoots 41% from 2…..but that’s the whole reason relying on FG% is so misleading. It’s why guys like Kobe have a reputation as inefficient, when in reality he’s been an upper echelon scorer from the guard position.. from an efficiency standpoint..

    - Statistically speaking, Steph has to find a medium. Shooting between 6-9 three’s a game seems to benefit the Warriors the most. I realize how frustrating it can be to watch such an unorthodox player, but trust the he is much much more effective than any guard Golden State has had since Tim Hardaway.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    TS% literally tells how much each shot is worth. 2pa+3pa+FTa

    Obviously someone who shoots 41% from 3 is going to have a higher TS% then someone who shoots 41% from 2…..but that’s the whole reason relying on FG% is so misleading. It’s why guys like Kobe have a reputation as inefficient, when in reality he’s been an upper echelon scorer from the guard position.. from an efficiency standpoint..

    - Statistically speaking, Steph has to find a medium. Shooting between 6-9 three’s a game seems to benefit the Warriors the most. I realize how frustrating it can be to watch such an unorthodox player, but trust the he is much much more effective than any guard Golden State has had since Tim Hardaway.

  • LakeShow

    What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.

    This is the same conversation you and I use to have about KB. He shoots allot and they lose, you immediately just think it’s his fault for shooting too much. And do not take into account the fact that the other players on the team were not able to create for themselves at all in certain situations with certain match-ups.

    The Wolves need Love to shoot somewhere around 15-20 shots a game on average. Sometimes that FGA number is going to exceed that, but that’s just how the game rolls.

    The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts.

    They only have 1 player that can space the floor besides Love. That is Martin.

    Take into account the shooting space that Scola gets with the superb shooting he’s surrounded by, and the fact that Dirk is the greatest all time mid range player and this all makes sense and sheds allot more light onto those numbers.

    Dirk shoots 3.7 3PA. – 39%
    Scola 0. – 0%
    Love 6.5 – 37%

  • LakeShow

    What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.

    This is the same conversation you and I use to have about KB. He shoots allot and they lose, you immediately just think it’s his fault for shooting too much. And do not take into account the fact that the other players on the team were not able to create for themselves at all in certain situations with certain match-ups.

    The Wolves need Love to shoot somewhere around 15-20 shots a game on average. Sometimes that FGA number is going to exceed that, but that’s just how the game rolls.

    The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts.

    They only have 1 player that can space the floor besides Love. That is Martin.

    Take into account the shooting space that Scola gets with the superb shooting he’s surrounded by, and the fact that Dirk is the greatest all time mid range player and this all makes sense and sheds allot more light onto those numbers.

    Dirk shoots 3.7 3PA. – 39%
    Scola 0. – 0%
    Love 6.5 – 37%

  • LakeShow

    What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.

    This is the same conversation you and I use to have about KB. He shoots allot and they lose, you immediately just think it’s his fault for shooting too much. And do not take into account the fact that the other players on the team were not able to create for themselves at all in certain situations with certain match-ups.

    The Wolves need Love to shoot somewhere around 15-20 shots a game on average. Sometimes that FGA number is going to exceed that, but that’s just how the game rolls.

    The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts.

    They only have 1 player that can space the floor besides Love. That is Martin.

    Take into account the shooting space that Scola gets with the superb shooting he’s surrounded by, and the fact that Dirk is the greatest all time mid range player and this all makes sense and sheds allot more light onto those numbers.

    Dirk shoots 3.7 3PA. – 39%
    Scola 0. – 0%
    Love 6.5 – 37%

  • LakeShow

    What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.

    This is the same conversation you and I use to have about KB. He shoots allot and they lose, you immediately just think it’s his fault for shooting too much. And do not take into account the fact that the other players on the team were not able to create for themselves at all in certain situations with certain match-ups.

    The Wolves need Love to shoot somewhere around 15-20 shots a game on average. Sometimes that FGA number is going to exceed that, but that’s just how the game rolls.

    The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts.

    They only have 1 player that can space the floor besides Love. That is Martin.

    Take into account the shooting space that Scola gets with the superb shooting he’s surrounded by, and the fact that Dirk is the greatest all time mid range player and this all makes sense and sheds allot more light onto those numbers.

    Dirk shoots 3.7 3PA. – 39%
    Scola 0. – 0%
    Love 6.5 – 37%

  • LakeShow

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  • danpowers

    lol

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    lol

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    lol

  • davidR

    thanks for the clarification on TS

    unorthodox is the best way to describe steph’s game. i def recognize he is something special, something that came as a surprise last season (i really doubt anyone saw him taking the leap, especially in the playoffs), and yea, that’s what i’m trying to get at, for him to find a medium.

    but the way he’s improving, i don’t doubt he’ll have it down sooner than later. in the mean time, it is very frustrating haha. you just pray those shots drop

  • davidR

    thanks for the clarification on TS

    unorthodox is the best way to describe steph’s game. i def recognize he is something special, something that came as a surprise last season (i really doubt anyone saw him taking the leap, especially in the playoffs), and yea, that’s what i’m trying to get at, for him to find a medium.

    but the way he’s improving, i don’t doubt he’ll have it down sooner than later. in the mean time, it is very frustrating haha. you just pray those shots drop

  • davidR

    thanks for the clarification on TS

    unorthodox is the best way to describe steph’s game. i def recognize he is something special, something that came as a surprise last season (i really doubt anyone saw him taking the leap, especially in the playoffs), and yea, that’s what i’m trying to get at, for him to find a medium.

    but the way he’s improving, i don’t doubt he’ll have it down sooner than later. in the mean time, it is very frustrating haha. you just pray those shots drop

  • LakeShow

    If you’re frustrated and praying that Steph’s 3′s go in (Eight 3PA @42%) you must have been on hand and knee begging the Lord for mercy when Ellis was taking 5 three’s a game at 36%(2010-11), or 4 at 34% (2009-10)

    I just don’t follow how you can think a guy that had 3.8 TO’s with 5.3 assists, and a mediocre at best 3 point shooting ability is comparable to a guy that can give you 4 more dimes with the same amount of TO’s, and an L leader in 3 pointers made at great efficiency.

    But you’re free to your opinion.

  • LakeShow

    If you’re frustrated and praying that Steph’s 3′s go in (Eight 3PA @42%) you must have been on hand and knee begging the Lord for mercy when Ellis was taking 5 three’s a game at 36%(2010-11), or 4 at 34% (2009-10)

    I just don’t follow how you can think a guy that had 3.8 TO’s with 5.3 assists, and a mediocre at best 3 point shooting ability is comparable to a guy that can give you 4 more dimes with the same amount of TO’s, and an L leader in 3 pointers made at great efficiency.

    But you’re free to your opinion.

  • LakeShow

    If you’re frustrated and praying that Steph’s 3′s go in (Eight 3PA @42%) you must have been on hand and knee begging the Lord for mercy when Ellis was taking 5 three’s a game at 36%(2010-11), or 4 at 34% (2009-10)

    I just don’t follow how you can think a guy that had 3.8 TO’s with 5.3 assists, and a mediocre at best 3 point shooting ability is comparable to a guy that can give you 4 more dimes with the same amount of TO’s, and an L leader in 3 pointers made at great efficiency.

    But you’re free to your opinion.

  • LakeShow

    If you’re frustrated and praying that Steph’s 3′s go in (Eight 3PA @42%) you must have been on hand and knee begging the Lord for mercy when Ellis was taking 5 three’s a game at 36%(2010-11), or 4 at 34% (2009-10)

    I just don’t follow how you can think a guy that had 3.8 TO’s with 5.3 assists, and a mediocre at best 3 point shooting ability is comparable to a guy that can give you 4 more dimes with the same amount of TO’s, and an L leader in 3 pointers made at great efficiency.

    But you’re free to your opinion.

  • LakeShow

    If you’re frustrated and praying that Steph’s 3′s go in (Eight 3PA @42%) you must have been on hand and knee begging the Lord for mercy when Ellis was taking 5 three’s a game at 36%(2010-11), or 4 at 34% (2009-10)

    I just don’t follow how you can think a guy that had 3.8 TO’s with 5.3 assists, and a mediocre at best 3 point shooting ability is comparable to a guy that can give you 4 more dimes with the same amount of TO’s, and an L leader in 3 pointers made at great efficiency.

    But you’re free to your opinion.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Iso Joe doing what he does best! KG probably needs to go back to basics and play some one on one basketball in practice because at this point he looks like he couldn’t even convert an open lay-up. When Kirilenko’s in the line-up I really like our chances of winning. Off-course one game at a time. He’s the dynamo now that Humpries is gone. Just pure energy and hustle on every possession. It was good to see him out there.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Iso Joe doing what he does best! KG probably needs to go back to basics and play some one on one basketball in practice because at this point he looks like he couldn’t even convert an open lay-up. When Kirilenko’s in the line-up I really like our chances of winning. Off-course one game at a time. He’s the dynamo now that Humpries is gone. Just pure energy and hustle on every possession. It was good to see him out there.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Iso Joe doing what he does best! KG probably needs to go back to basics and play some one on one basketball in practice because at this point he looks like he couldn’t even convert an open lay-up. When Kirilenko’s in the line-up I really like our chances of winning. Off-course one game at a time. He’s the dynamo now that Humpries is gone. Just pure energy and hustle on every possession. It was good to see him out there.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Iso Joe doing what he does best! KG probably needs to go back to basics and play some one on one basketball in practice because at this point he looks like he couldn’t even convert an open lay-up. When Kirilenko’s in the line-up I really like our chances of winning. Off-course one game at a time. He’s the dynamo now that Humpries is gone. Just pure energy and hustle on every possession. It was good to see him out there.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Iso Joe doing what he does best! KG probably needs to go back to basics and play some one on one basketball in practice because at this point he looks like he couldn’t even convert an open lay-up. When Kirilenko’s in the line-up I really like our chances of winning. Off-course one game at a time. He’s the dynamo now that Humpries is gone. Just pure energy and hustle on every possession. It was good to see him out there.

  • davidR

    hey man, i never mentioned monta in the first place, nor did i diss steph. i said it’s a love hate thing with steph

    if you get the idea that i dislike steph then you’re wrong

  • davidR

    hey man, i never mentioned monta in the first place, nor did i diss steph. i said it’s a love hate thing with steph

    if you get the idea that i dislike steph then you’re wrong

  • davidR

    hey man, i never mentioned monta in the first place, nor did i diss steph. i said it’s a love hate thing with steph

    if you get the idea that i dislike steph then you’re wrong

  • davidR

    hey man, i never mentioned monta in the first place, nor did i diss steph. i said it’s a love hate thing with steph

    if you get the idea that i dislike steph then you’re wrong

  • davidR

    hey man, i never mentioned monta in the first place, nor did i diss steph. i said it’s a love hate thing with steph

    if you get the idea that i dislike steph then you’re wrong

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  • i_ball

    I wonder – if LA scores inefficiently this means that the defense pays him more attention so the other shooters have better looks and they probably get more offensive rebounds in those games.

    Say the defense gives LA some space and he scores 22 points on 16 shots but they can close out better when he doesn’t shoot. If the defense plays him tight he scores 18 points on 18 shots but every it gives the shooter a bit more time. The way Portland scores three pointers that might be the case

  • i_ball

    I wonder – if LA scores inefficiently this means that the defense pays him more attention so the other shooters have better looks and they probably get more offensive rebounds in those games.

    Say the defense gives LA some space and he scores 22 points on 16 shots but they can close out better when he doesn’t shoot. If the defense plays him tight he scores 18 points on 18 shots but every it gives the shooter a bit more time. The way Portland scores three pointers that might be the case

  • i_ball

    I wonder – if LA scores inefficiently this means that the defense pays him more attention so the other shooters have better looks and they probably get more offensive rebounds in those games.

    Say the defense gives LA some space and he scores 22 points on 16 shots but they can close out better when he doesn’t shoot. If the defense plays him tight he scores 18 points on 18 shots but every it gives the shooter a bit more time. The way Portland scores three pointers that might be the case

  • i_ball

    I wonder – if LA scores inefficiently this means that the defense pays him more attention so the other shooters have better looks and they probably get more offensive rebounds in those games.

    Say the defense gives LA some space and he scores 22 points on 16 shots but they can close out better when he doesn’t shoot. If the defense plays him tight he scores 18 points on 18 shots but every it gives the shooter a bit more time. The way Portland scores three pointers that might be the case

  • i_ball

    I wonder – if LA scores inefficiently this means that the defense pays him more attention so the other shooters have better looks and they probably get more offensive rebounds in those games.

    Say the defense gives LA some space and he scores 22 points on 16 shots but they can close out better when he doesn’t shoot. If the defense plays him tight he scores 18 points on 18 shots but every it gives the shooter a bit more time. The way Portland scores three pointers that might be the case

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    isn’t Steph Curry’s shot selection about the least of your concerns? i mean, i would be more frustrated with how passive Harrison Barnes is. Or Andre Iguodala’s inability to stay on the court.

    You know Golden State is 16-6 with Iguodala in the lineup?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    isn’t Steph Curry’s shot selection about the least of your concerns? i mean, i would be more frustrated with how passive Harrison Barnes is. Or Andre Iguodala’s inability to stay on the court.

    You know Golden State is 16-6 with Iguodala in the lineup?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    isn’t Steph Curry’s shot selection about the least of your concerns? i mean, i would be more frustrated with how passive Harrison Barnes is. Or Andre Iguodala’s inability to stay on the court.

    You know Golden State is 16-6 with Iguodala in the lineup?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    isn’t Steph Curry’s shot selection about the least of your concerns? i mean, i would be more frustrated with how passive Harrison Barnes is. Or Andre Iguodala’s inability to stay on the court.

    You know Golden State is 16-6 with Iguodala in the lineup?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    isn’t Steph Curry’s shot selection about the least of your concerns? i mean, i would be more frustrated with how passive Harrison Barnes is. Or Andre Iguodala’s inability to stay on the court.

    You know Golden State is 16-6 with Iguodala in the lineup?

  • davidR

    not so much frustrated with barnes. this is exactly how he played last season during the regular season. i’m sure he is still trying to figure things out. that playoff performance pretty much came out of nowhere tho. it’d be great if he could continue that level of play.

    iggy, really not sure what the deal is. i’m guessing he’s still recovering from injury. his minutes seem pretty sporadic. i guess the coaching staff is trying to limit him for now. i havent really noticed anything out of the blue with his game

  • davidR

    not so much frustrated with barnes. this is exactly how he played last season during the regular season. i’m sure he is still trying to figure things out. that playoff performance pretty much came out of nowhere tho. it’d be great if he could continue that level of play.

    iggy, really not sure what the deal is. i’m guessing he’s still recovering from injury. his minutes seem pretty sporadic. i guess the coaching staff is trying to limit him for now. i havent really noticed anything out of the blue with his game

  • davidR

    not so much frustrated with barnes. this is exactly how he played last season during the regular season. i’m sure he is still trying to figure things out. that playoff performance pretty much came out of nowhere tho. it’d be great if he could continue that level of play.

    iggy, really not sure what the deal is. i’m guessing he’s still recovering from injury. his minutes seem pretty sporadic. i guess the coaching staff is trying to limit him for now. i havent really noticed anything out of the blue with his game

  • davidR

    not so much frustrated with barnes. this is exactly how he played last season during the regular season. i’m sure he is still trying to figure things out. that playoff performance pretty much came out of nowhere tho. it’d be great if he could continue that level of play.

    iggy, really not sure what the deal is. i’m guessing he’s still recovering from injury. his minutes seem pretty sporadic. i guess the coaching staff is trying to limit him for now. i havent really noticed anything out of the blue with his game

  • davidR

    not so much frustrated with barnes. this is exactly how he played last season during the regular season. i’m sure he is still trying to figure things out. that playoff performance pretty much came out of nowhere tho. it’d be great if he could continue that level of play.

    iggy, really not sure what the deal is. i’m guessing he’s still recovering from injury. his minutes seem pretty sporadic. i guess the coaching staff is trying to limit him for now. i havent really noticed anything out of the blue with his game

  • LakeShow

    Here’s what I have to go off of:

    -You defend Ellis rigorously whenever given opportunity.

    -You have not spoken that fondly of Steph when you do speak on him. (That I have seen)

    I can see why you are this way though. Ellis is usually sh*tted on, (was he even on the top 50 this season??) and Steph is the toast of the L, but there are some reasons for this.

    When I hear you say things like: “he takes a bunch of bad shots that go in” it makes me think back on the fact that you defend Ellis’ style of play.

    If you defend Ellis you should LOVE Curry.

    I must just misread your thoughts on Steph. Maybe you just don’t sing his praises since he gets that enough, and vice-versa with Ellis.

  • LakeShow

    Here’s what I have to go off of:

    -You defend Ellis rigorously whenever given opportunity.

    -You have not spoken that fondly of Steph when you do speak on him. (That I have seen)

    I can see why you are this way though. Ellis is usually sh*tted on, (was he even on the top 50 this season??) and Steph is the toast of the L, but there are some reasons for this.

    When I hear you say things like: “he takes a bunch of bad shots that go in” it makes me think back on the fact that you defend Ellis’ style of play.

    If you defend Ellis you should LOVE Curry.

    I must just misread your thoughts on Steph. Maybe you just don’t sing his praises since he gets that enough, and vice-versa with Ellis.

  • LakeShow

    Here’s what I have to go off of:

    -You defend Ellis rigorously whenever given opportunity.

    -You have not spoken that fondly of Steph when you do speak on him. (That I have seen)

    I can see why you are this way though. Ellis is usually sh*tted on, (was he even on the top 50 this season??) and Steph is the toast of the L, but there are some reasons for this.

    When I hear you say things like: “he takes a bunch of bad shots that go in” it makes me think back on the fact that you defend Ellis’ style of play.

    If you defend Ellis you should LOVE Curry.

    I must just misread your thoughts on Steph. Maybe you just don’t sing his praises since he gets that enough, and vice-versa with Ellis.

  • LakeShow

    Here’s what I have to go off of:

    -You defend Ellis rigorously whenever given opportunity.

    -You have not spoken that fondly of Steph when you do speak on him. (That I have seen)

    I can see why you are this way though. Ellis is usually sh*tted on, (was he even on the top 50 this season??) and Steph is the toast of the L, but there are some reasons for this.

    When I hear you say things like: “he takes a bunch of bad shots that go in” it makes me think back on the fact that you defend Ellis’ style of play.

    If you defend Ellis you should LOVE Curry.

    I must just misread your thoughts on Steph. Maybe you just don’t sing his praises since he gets that enough, and vice-versa with Ellis.

  • LakeShow

    Here’s what I have to go off of:

    -You defend Ellis rigorously whenever given opportunity.

    -You have not spoken that fondly of Steph when you do speak on him. (That I have seen)

    I can see why you are this way though. Ellis is usually sh*tted on, (was he even on the top 50 this season??) and Steph is the toast of the L, but there are some reasons for this.

    When I hear you say things like: “he takes a bunch of bad shots that go in” it makes me think back on the fact that you defend Ellis’ style of play.

    If you defend Ellis you should LOVE Curry.

    I must just misread your thoughts on Steph. Maybe you just don’t sing his praises since he gets that enough, and vice-versa with Ellis.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.”

    - Uhm, running an offense through the high post?

    Portland runs through Aldridge in the 17 foot area, the attention he garners from the defense creates oodles of open looks from 23 feet……..

    you can’t collapse a defense from the 3pt line

    And no….,this–> “The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts” is only partially right. Spacing is an issue, but it’s hardly the biggest one. Love simply doesn’t make good decisions from the post, he regularly shoots out of double teams, or wastes time with the ball allowing defenses to rotate. It’s not to say Love isn’t a great great player, it’s just that his strengths as of now don’t really suit him to play a set role like other types of players.

    - this conversation about Kevin Love… revolves around how their offense is run. Despite him being a good passer, he’s not very willing, and despite his ability to shoot from range, he isn’t really effective from the middle of the court. So, despite the appearance that the offense being Rick Adelman’s and having Kevin Love, should/would run through the high post most effectively, it just doesn’t. They are much better in motion, using picks to create space, or using cutters to attack the rim, it’s the same reason the Timberwolves as a whole are 10-2 in games where as a team they attempt 29+ free throws. 1-5 when they attempt 28+ Three’s.

    imo, there is a better way to use Kevin Love, and there is a way to run your offense “through” him successfully, but so far, the Wolves, and Adelman haven’t been able to find it. So far, Love has best served as his offense’s “end game” … which isn’t a slight on him at all.

    - the conversation about Bryant and his shot selection revolved around the fact that the Lakers had the option of finding a better shot on the majority of possessions. Simply because they regularly had not (1), but (3) mismatches on the block at any given time (Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom). Getting a better shot than an off balanced 17 footer was hardly too much to ask for. And its not like the Lakers and Kobe Bryant weren’t aware of that, he took better shots throughout the playoffs for (3) straight seasons.

    I’m not blaming Kevin Love for anything. Just pointing out what is plainly obvious. The team runs better when he is an “end” game of sorts, not when it is actually run through him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.”

    - Uhm, running an offense through the high post?

    Portland runs through Aldridge in the 17 foot area, the attention he garners from the defense creates oodles of open looks from 23 feet……..

    you can’t collapse a defense from the 3pt line

    And no….,this–> “The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts” is only partially right. Spacing is an issue, but it’s hardly the biggest one. Love simply doesn’t make good decisions from the post, he regularly shoots out of double teams, or wastes time with the ball allowing defenses to rotate. It’s not to say Love isn’t a great great player, it’s just that his strengths as of now don’t really suit him to play a set role like other types of players.

    - this conversation about Kevin Love… revolves around how their offense is run. Despite him being a good passer, he’s not very willing, and despite his ability to shoot from range, he isn’t really effective from the middle of the court. So, despite the appearance that the offense being Rick Adelman’s and having Kevin Love, should/would run through the high post most effectively, it just doesn’t. They are much better in motion, using picks to create space, or using cutters to attack the rim, it’s the same reason the Timberwolves as a whole are 10-2 in games where as a team they attempt 29+ free throws. 1-5 when they attempt 28+ Three’s.

    imo, there is a better way to use Kevin Love, and there is a way to run your offense “through” him successfully, but so far, the Wolves, and Adelman haven’t been able to find it. So far, Love has best served as his offense’s “end game” … which isn’t a slight on him at all.

    - the conversation about Bryant and his shot selection revolved around the fact that the Lakers had the option of finding a better shot on the majority of possessions. Simply because they regularly had not (1), but (3) mismatches on the block at any given time (Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom). Getting a better shot than an off balanced 17 footer was hardly too much to ask for. And its not like the Lakers and Kobe Bryant weren’t aware of that, he took better shots throughout the playoffs for (3) straight seasons.

    I’m not blaming Kevin Love for anything. Just pointing out what is plainly obvious. The team runs better when he is an “end” game of sorts, not when it is actually run through him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.”

    - Uhm, running an offense through the high post?

    Portland runs through Aldridge in the 17 foot area, the attention he garners from the defense creates oodles of open looks from 23 feet……..

    you can’t collapse a defense from the 3pt line

    And no….,this–> “The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts” is only partially right. Spacing is an issue, but it’s hardly the biggest one. Love simply doesn’t make good decisions from the post, he regularly shoots out of double teams, or wastes time with the ball allowing defenses to rotate. It’s not to say Love isn’t a great great player, it’s just that his strengths as of now don’t really suit him to play a set role like other types of players.

    - this conversation about Kevin Love… revolves around how their offense is run. Despite him being a good passer, he’s not very willing, and despite his ability to shoot from range, he isn’t really effective from the middle of the court. So, despite the appearance that the offense being Rick Adelman’s and having Kevin Love, should/would run through the high post most effectively, it just doesn’t. They are much better in motion, using picks to create space, or using cutters to attack the rim, it’s the same reason the Timberwolves as a whole are 10-2 in games where as a team they attempt 29+ free throws. 1-5 when they attempt 28+ Three’s.

    imo, there is a better way to use Kevin Love, and there is a way to run your offense “through” him successfully, but so far, the Wolves, and Adelman haven’t been able to find it. So far, Love has best served as his offense’s “end game” … which isn’t a slight on him at all.

    - the conversation about Bryant and his shot selection revolved around the fact that the Lakers had the option of finding a better shot on the majority of possessions. Simply because they regularly had not (1), but (3) mismatches on the block at any given time (Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom). Getting a better shot than an off balanced 17 footer was hardly too much to ask for. And its not like the Lakers and Kobe Bryant weren’t aware of that, he took better shots throughout the playoffs for (3) straight seasons.

    I’m not blaming Kevin Love for anything. Just pointing out what is plainly obvious. The team runs better when he is an “end” game of sorts, not when it is actually run through him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “What is it about the 23 foot shot and the 17 foot shot that changes so much about how a team can run through a player offensively? Do you think there is nothing unique about a PF who can shoot the 3 at around a 38% clip and score 26ppg on 19 shots? That is a very worthy first option right there.”

    - Uhm, running an offense through the high post?

    Portland runs through Aldridge in the 17 foot area, the attention he garners from the defense creates oodles of open looks from 23 feet……..

    you can’t collapse a defense from the 3pt line

    And no….,this–> “The 33% on mid range FG’s is directly related to the teams spacing issues and how much of the defensive pressure that K-love attracts” is only partially right. Spacing is an issue, but it’s hardly the biggest one. Love simply doesn’t make good decisions from the post, he regularly shoots out of double teams, or wastes time with the ball allowing defenses to rotate. It’s not to say Love isn’t a great great player, it’s just that his strengths as of now don’t really suit him to play a set role like other types of players.

    - this conversation about Kevin Love… revolves around how their offense is run. Despite him being a good passer, he’s not very willing, and despite his ability to shoot from range, he isn’t really effective from the middle of the court. So, despite the appearance that the offense being Rick Adelman’s and having Kevin Love, should/would run through the high post most effectively, it just doesn’t. They are much better in motion, using picks to create space, or using cutters to attack the rim, it’s the same reason the Timberwolves as a whole are 10-2 in games where as a team they attempt 29+ free throws. 1-5 when they attempt 28+ Three’s.

    imo, there is a better way to use Kevin Love, and there is a way to run your offense “through” him successfully, but so far, the Wolves, and Adelman haven’t been able to find it. So far, Love has best served as his offense’s “end game” … which isn’t a slight on him at all.

    - the conversation about Bryant and his shot selection revolved around the fact that the Lakers had the option of finding a better shot on the majority of possessions. Simply because they regularly had not (1), but (3) mismatches on the block at any given time (Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom). Getting a better shot than an off balanced 17 footer was hardly too much to ask for. And its not like the Lakers and Kobe Bryant weren’t aware of that, he took better shots throughout the playoffs for (3) straight seasons.

    I’m not blaming Kevin Love for anything. Just pointing out what is plainly obvious. The team runs better when he is an “end” game of sorts, not when it is actually run through him.

  • LakeShow

    Once this team is healthy and rolling they are top 5 in the L imo.

    When A.I., and Bogut are able to influence the game defensively, I feel they are near unstoppable.

    Personally, I’m okay with HB being passive, because he is being efficient, and steady, and the team has plenty of firepower.

    Bogut, and A.I. staying on the court on the other hand is the greatest thing of importance for GSW outside of Steph Curry’s health.

  • LakeShow

    Once this team is healthy and rolling they are top 5 in the L imo.

    When A.I., and Bogut are able to influence the game defensively, I feel they are near unstoppable.

    Personally, I’m okay with HB being passive, because he is being efficient, and steady, and the team has plenty of firepower.

    Bogut, and A.I. staying on the court on the other hand is the greatest thing of importance for GSW outside of Steph Curry’s health.

  • LakeShow

    Once this team is healthy and rolling they are top 5 in the L imo.

    When A.I., and Bogut are able to influence the game defensively, I feel they are near unstoppable.

    Personally, I’m okay with HB being passive, because he is being efficient, and steady, and the team has plenty of firepower.

    Bogut, and A.I. staying on the court on the other hand is the greatest thing of importance for GSW outside of Steph Curry’s health.

  • LakeShow

    Once this team is healthy and rolling they are top 5 in the L imo.

    When A.I., and Bogut are able to influence the game defensively, I feel they are near unstoppable.

    Personally, I’m okay with HB being passive, because he is being efficient, and steady, and the team has plenty of firepower.

    Bogut, and A.I. staying on the court on the other hand is the greatest thing of importance for GSW outside of Steph Curry’s health.

  • LakeShow

    Once this team is healthy and rolling they are top 5 in the L imo.

    When A.I., and Bogut are able to influence the game defensively, I feel they are near unstoppable.

    Personally, I’m okay with HB being passive, because he is being efficient, and steady, and the team has plenty of firepower.

    Bogut, and A.I. staying on the court on the other hand is the greatest thing of importance for GSW outside of Steph Curry’s health.

  • LakeShow

    Once this team is healthy and rolling they are top 5 in the L imo.

    When A.I., and Bogut are able to influence the game defensively, I feel they are near unstoppable.

    Personally, I’m okay with HB being passive, because he is being efficient, and steady, and the team has plenty of firepower.

    Bogut, and A.I. staying on the court on the other hand is the greatest thing of importance for GSW outside of Steph Curry’s health.

  • davidR

    the ellis defense is mainly cuz he was getting a bad rep with a shitty warriors squad, and an even worse bucks squad. i dont mean to put him on a pedestal or anything, i just knew he deserved better than being labeled on the same level as a jr smith for example.

    the way he is playing for dallas is exactly the monta ive known. now that his rep is back to normal, i’m fine with it.

    with steph, i love that dude. i just have my criticisms. dont get me wrong, his game is exciting, and i don’t need to gush about it cuz he is getting a huge push as a face player of the nba, but i just see some red flags. that’s all.

    i never really had the same criticisms for monta because he only had a good/decent team for 2 seasons, and played pretty well for them both. when he started getting the bad rep, he was part of some abysmal warriors teams. there really wasnt much to say, good or bad, because the criticism was all over the place. i didnt think it was fair because he wasnt in a good situation, and was being asked to play beyond his role. now that he’s with dallas, he’s in a great situation. i wish him nothing but the best.

    so yea, that last paragraph you wrote is exactly what it is. and as mentioned above, my frustrations just lie on steph reaching that medium of knowing when to take good/bad shots. i’m sure he’ll figure it out. he’s a smart player and a hard worker. it all mainly comes down to how they play within their roles. monta is better as a second option, curry a first option.

    and because of that, i will critique them based on the roles they play

  • davidR

    getting JO back will be a huge help too. an achor rotation of bogut and JO is huge, especially if lee or barnes/green have to play extended minutes at the 4

    which btw, i would prefer draymon to get a lot more minutes. that dude is so intelligent as a player, especially on D. but i guess this is where the depth kinda hurts them as a team

  • davidR

    getting JO back will be a huge help too. an achor rotation of bogut and JO is huge, especially if lee or barnes/green have to play extended minutes at the 4

    which btw, i would prefer draymon to get a lot more minutes. that dude is so intelligent as a player, especially on D. but i guess this is where the depth kinda hurts them as a team

  • davidR

    getting JO back will be a huge help too. an achor rotation of bogut and JO is huge, especially if lee or barnes/green have to play extended minutes at the 4

    which btw, i would prefer draymon to get a lot more minutes. that dude is so intelligent as a player, especially on D. but i guess this is where the depth kinda hurts them as a team

  • davidR

    getting JO back will be a huge help too. an achor rotation of bogut and JO is huge, especially if lee or barnes/green have to play extended minutes at the 4

    which btw, i would prefer draymon to get a lot more minutes. that dude is so intelligent as a player, especially on D. but i guess this is where the depth kinda hurts them as a team

  • davidR

    getting JO back will be a huge help too. an achor rotation of bogut and JO is huge, especially if lee or barnes/green have to play extended minutes at the 4

    which btw, i would prefer draymon to get a lot more minutes. that dude is so intelligent as a player, especially on D. but i guess this is where the depth kinda hurts them as a team

  • davidR

    getting JO back will be a huge help too. an achor rotation of bogut and JO is huge, especially if lee or barnes/green have to play extended minutes at the 4

    which btw, i would prefer draymon to get a lot more minutes. that dude is so intelligent as a player, especially on D. but i guess this is where the depth kinda hurts them as a team

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bingo. this is the essential difference between Love and Aldridge. Aldridge literally commands the defenses attention as a whole. Since he’s in the middle of the court, and possesses the ability to take some match ups off the dribble, it (sometimes) takes a whole defensive effort to throw him off his game. But that whole defensive effort takes the attention of all defenders, which means less attention will be paid to all those damn shooters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bingo. this is the essential difference between Love and Aldridge. Aldridge literally commands the defenses attention as a whole. Since he’s in the middle of the court, and possesses the ability to take some match ups off the dribble, it (sometimes) takes a whole defensive effort to throw him off his game. But that whole defensive effort takes the attention of all defenders, which means less attention will be paid to all those damn shooters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bingo. this is the essential difference between Love and Aldridge. Aldridge literally commands the defenses attention as a whole. Since he’s in the middle of the court, and possesses the ability to take some match ups off the dribble, it (sometimes) takes a whole defensive effort to throw him off his game. But that whole defensive effort takes the attention of all defenders, which means less attention will be paid to all those damn shooters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bingo. this is the essential difference between Love and Aldridge. Aldridge literally commands the defenses attention as a whole. Since he’s in the middle of the court, and possesses the ability to take some match ups off the dribble, it (sometimes) takes a whole defensive effort to throw him off his game. But that whole defensive effort takes the attention of all defenders, which means less attention will be paid to all those damn shooters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bingo. this is the essential difference between Love and Aldridge. Aldridge literally commands the defenses attention as a whole. Since he’s in the middle of the court, and possesses the ability to take some match ups off the dribble, it (sometimes) takes a whole defensive effort to throw him off his game. But that whole defensive effort takes the attention of all defenders, which means less attention will be paid to all those damn shooters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bingo. this is the essential difference between Love and Aldridge. Aldridge literally commands the defenses attention as a whole. Since he’s in the middle of the court, and possesses the ability to take some match ups off the dribble, it (sometimes) takes a whole defensive effort to throw him off his game. But that whole defensive effort takes the attention of all defenders, which means less attention will be paid to all those damn shooters.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    paragraph 2….so much cosign. so much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    paragraph 2….so much cosign. so much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    paragraph 2….so much cosign. so much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    paragraph 2….so much cosign. so much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    paragraph 2….so much cosign. so much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    paragraph 2….so much cosign. so much.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Thursday night thoughts

    1.I love watching Stephen Curry decimate the Heat with his three point shooting display

    2.Portland torrid three point shooting has been most impressive

    3.Joe Johnson FTW #BLACKPEOPLE

    4.How is BUST ass Jason Thompson still in the league let alone start over Derrick Williams Does anyone on the Kings play defense Mclemore does not belong in the starting lineup with volume shooters like Gay,Thomas,Cousins the Kings will forever be a team that looks good on paper based on name value and “talent” alone but will be garbage in reality

    5.Lillard&Matthews is the league best shooting backcourt

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Thursday night thoughts

    1.I love watching Stephen Curry decimate the Heat with his three point shooting display

    2.Portland torrid three point shooting has been most impressive

    3.Joe Johnson FTW #BLACKPEOPLE

    4.How is BUST ass Jason Thompson still in the league let alone start over Derrick Williams Does anyone on the Kings play defense Mclemore does not belong in the starting lineup with volume shooters like Gay,Thomas,Cousins the Kings will forever be a team that looks good on paper based on name value and “talent” alone but will be garbage in reality

    5.Lillard&Matthews is the league best shooting backcourt

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Thursday night thoughts

    1.I love watching Stephen Curry decimate the Heat with his three point shooting display

    2.Portland torrid three point shooting has been most impressive

    3.Joe Johnson FTW #BLACKPEOPLE

    4.How is BUST ass Jason Thompson still in the league let alone start over Derrick Williams Does anyone on the Kings play defense Mclemore does not belong in the starting lineup with volume shooters like Gay,Thomas,Cousins the Kings will forever be a team that looks good on paper based on name value and “talent” alone but will be garbage in reality

    5.Lillard&Matthews is the league best shooting backcourt

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Thursday night thoughts

    1.I love watching Stephen Curry decimate the Heat with his three point shooting display

    2.Portland torrid three point shooting has been most impressive

    3.Joe Johnson FTW #BLACKPEOPLE

    4.How is BUST ass Jason Thompson still in the league let alone start over Derrick Williams Does anyone on the Kings play defense Mclemore does not belong in the starting lineup with volume shooters like Gay,Thomas,Cousins the Kings will forever be a team that looks good on paper based on name value and “talent” alone but will be garbage in reality

    5.Lillard&Matthews is the league best shooting backcourt

  • davidR

    no doubt. between klay, barnes, and green, i would prefer to let barnes go. he’d probably yield the best overall trade value without giving up too much.

    but a guy like green… you just don’t find that kind of bball iq often. it’s not even just that, he has that nick collison ability to come up/make a play when it is needed most, no matter what it is. dude is so underrated. it’s a lot of fun watching him play

  • davidR

    no doubt. between klay, barnes, and green, i would prefer to let barnes go. he’d probably yield the best overall trade value without giving up too much.

    but a guy like green… you just don’t find that kind of bball iq often. it’s not even just that, he has that nick collison ability to come up/make a play when it is needed most, no matter what it is. dude is so underrated. it’s a lot of fun watching him play

  • davidR

    no doubt. between klay, barnes, and green, i would prefer to let barnes go. he’d probably yield the best overall trade value without giving up too much.

    but a guy like green… you just don’t find that kind of bball iq often. it’s not even just that, he has that nick collison ability to come up/make a play when it is needed most, no matter what it is. dude is so underrated. it’s a lot of fun watching him play

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d rather they get rid of David Lee. Keep Barnes/Green/Thompson, and just get whatever you can for Lee even if it’s just a draft pick. He’s a very good player, but he’s a dead end imo. You know what you are getting at the very most….and it isn’t enough.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d rather they get rid of David Lee. Keep Barnes/Green/Thompson, and just get whatever you can for Lee even if it’s just a draft pick. He’s a very good player, but he’s a dead end imo. You know what you are getting at the very most….and it isn’t enough.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d rather they get rid of David Lee. Keep Barnes/Green/Thompson, and just get whatever you can for Lee even if it’s just a draft pick. He’s a very good player, but he’s a dead end imo. You know what you are getting at the very most….and it isn’t enough.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d rather they get rid of David Lee. Keep Barnes/Green/Thompson, and just get whatever you can for Lee even if it’s just a draft pick. He’s a very good player, but he’s a dead end imo. You know what you are getting at the very most….and it isn’t enough.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d rather they get rid of David Lee. Keep Barnes/Green/Thompson, and just get whatever you can for Lee even if it’s just a draft pick. He’s a very good player, but he’s a dead end imo. You know what you are getting at the very most….and it isn’t enough.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’d rather they get rid of David Lee. Keep Barnes/Green/Thompson, and just get whatever you can for Lee even if it’s just a draft pick. He’s a very good player, but he’s a dead end imo. You know what you are getting at the very most….and it isn’t enough.

  • LakeShow

    Rick Adelman is one of the best coaches in the L. I really, really, doubt that more than 1-3 coaches in the L could better find a way to utilize Love as a first option on this current team.

    It is no where written that your number one option must dominate the mid-range game. There is a plethora of ways to play through a #1 option.

    Last season according to Hoop-Data LaMarcus shot 40% on 10-15 footers. The season before that, 39%. Comparing that to Loves’ current 33% mark doesn’t make it look so bad. Seeing as how LA is one of the best mid-range guys in the L.

    In addition to that, career wise Love is a 36% shooter from 16-23 feet. LA is a career: 40%. So yes LA is a better mid range shooter, but it’s not by a huge margin. 4% to be exact.

    I believe that if Love was on the current PDX squad, he too, would have some pretty mid-range numbers.

    I do feel that you are blaming Love for the Wolves lack of wins. You are saying you aren’t?

    I feel that the team is built poorly around him, and that is the key to why they aren’t superior.
    …………………………………………………………………………….

    If you recall the issues that EVERYONE had with Pau’s “softness” (inability to dominate when he should), and Odom’s inconsistency, in addition to Bynum’s inability to stay in the game at the most crucial moments, and making stupid TO’s; those were the main reasons as to why Bryant’s off balance 17 footers are/were acceptable.

  • LakeShow

    Rick Adelman is one of the best coaches in the L. I really, really, doubt that more than 1-3 coaches in the L could better find a way to utilize Love as a first option on this current team.

    It is no where written that your number one option must dominate the mid-range game. There is a plethora of ways to play through a #1 option.

    Last season according to Hoop-Data LaMarcus shot 40% on 10-15 footers. The season before that, 39%. Comparing that to Loves’ current 33% mark doesn’t make it look so bad. Seeing as how LA is one of the best mid-range guys in the L.

    In addition to that, career wise Love is a 36% shooter from 16-23 feet. LA is a career: 40%. So yes LA is a better mid range shooter, but it’s not by a huge margin. 4% to be exact.

    I believe that if Love was on the current PDX squad, he too, would have some pretty mid-range numbers.

    I do feel that you are blaming Love for the Wolves lack of wins. You are saying you aren’t?

    I feel that the team is built poorly around him, and that is the key to why they aren’t superior.
    …………………………………………………………………………….

    If you recall the issues that EVERYONE had with Pau’s “softness” (inability to dominate when he should), and Odom’s inconsistency, in addition to Bynum’s inability to stay in the game at the most crucial moments, and making stupid TO’s; those were the main reasons as to why Bryant’s off balance 17 footers are/were acceptable.

  • davidR

    i thought about that, but it’s tough. the dubs made a pretty deep run without lee, but it seemed like a flash in the pan. there would be a huge void at PF left if lee is gone.

    he’s a huge part of their offensive game (EDIT: their most reliable scorer near the bucket, important especially for a team of shooters), and is one of their verbal leaders. his trade value is probably at it’s highest right now, but i dunno who can fill in for PF. i don’t think barnes or green can maintain the scoring void if they get moved to PF. then it comes down to if curry and klay can pick up their offensive games.

    this team is just weird. they’re all relatively young, so it seems they have a core that can stay together for a while, but i dunno. freeing up the PF and getting a draft pick kinda implies they’re building for the future doesn’t it? i think the dubs can make a deep run if given the right matchups in the playoffs, but that’s a big if.

    any scenarios for who to dump lee for? in other words, what can they possibly do to upgrade the PF?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the mid range is from 10-23 feet, not 10-15 feet lol, Lamarcus Aldridge shot 43% from “mid range” last season, a good 10% higher than Kevin Love is shooting right now.

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    No, i’m not saying Love is the reason Minnesota loses. I have not, in any way shape or form even implied that. I’m just literally stating what has been true for Minnesota’s offense this season. They are better literally, they are better, when the team runs, spaces the floor, and attacks the rim. They are worse, literally, they play worse, when the game slows down, and they try to go through Kevin Love in the high post. It’s not an opinion, it’s just what has been true.

    is it about how they are built? definitely. but that still doesn’t absolve Love of having obvious strengths and weaknesses. He has never shown much in terms of being that type of player. He’s always been better setting picks, finding space, and attacking the glass.

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    uhm, i don’t give my opinion based on how other people feel about players…….my opinion comes from watching the Lakers and recognize what worked best for them. And what worked best for them was the triangle. Not Kobe Bryant contested fadeaways. Disagree all you want and point out what other people used to say all you want. LOL, you know it’s not going to change my opinion.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    He’s one dimensional , that’s why he’s not a star. If if he had any athleticism then he definetly could be but he is no threat when driving to the basket.

  • LakeShow

    Mid-range is not 10-15 feet … it is strictly 10-23 feet.. lol okay…

    My problem with your way of thinking is that it’s always “how it’s suppose to be”, not how it actually is…

    Dude, duh the wolves are better when they shoot more FT’s than 3 pointers… Every team is that way right? Of course they are better when they run/space the floor/attack the rim.

    But they can’t always run, (they are not very athletic)space the floor(they don’t have very good outside shooters),and attack the rim(who??).

    Sometimes you have to give the ball to your best player and tell him to go to work. This is why the NBA has 1 on 1 players that are successful, because the team model fails when there is not enough appropriately placed talent.

    “He’s always been better setting picks, finding space, and attacking the glass.” Yup, agreed, but guess what, he also has to be Minnies #1 option. Of course he is flawed, but not nearly as much as every other player on his team.
    ………………………………………………………………………

    Realize that you just said it’s an “opinion” that Pau was soft and would not dominate when he should have. It was just an “opinion” that Odom was inconsistent. And it was just an “opinion” that Bynum could not stay in the game for more than 25mpg.

    All those facts, you just called “other peoples feelings about players.”

    Once again your living in a world of how it should be and not how it is.

    But I’m not going to change your “opinion” it sounds like.

  • spottieottiedopaliscious

    #blackpeople? #wtf

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i said 10-23 feet because that would be “mid” you know, close to the hoop 1-9 feet being “close”, 3pt land being “long” … in between that being “mid” i mean, pretty simple. Leaving out 16-23 feet as not being “mid range” makes no damn sense. I’m sure you can figure out why that is. 10 feet from the hoop is literally inside of the paint anyway, and nobody attempts many shots from that distance. Judging Aldridge’s % based solely on that area? how do you even justify that line of thinking? 2.7 attempts a game vs 7.3, and you think the % from the less attempted area is the one to use by itself?

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    it’s not about them shooting more FT’s than 3pters….will you actually read what i said rather than just getting defensive? i didn’t post which shots they shot more of in any of those games. and it was just an example to show how they are more effective.

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    “Sometimes you have to give the ball to your best player and tell him to go to work. This is why the NBA has 1 on 1 players that are successful, because the team model fails when there is not enough appropriately placed talent.”

    THEY TRY THAT it’s when they are at their worst. What don’t you get? Literally, the Timberwolves are at their worst as a team when they do that. Why shouldn’t they use Love and Rubio in Pick and Pop situations when they can’t “play fast” — there are more options then just iso’ing Kevin Love when they can’t run. Which is great, because Kevin Love isn’t very good in isolation. Never has been.

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    let me help you with this Lakers thing,

    “If you recall the issues that EVERYONE had”
    I don’t care what issue EVERYONE had. That’s their opinion. Get it?

    I didn’t say I thought anyone should have been isolated on the block, i said, “what worked best for them was the triangle. Not Kobe Bryant contested fadeaways.”

    You find the mismatch. Find Kobe in the post. Make him move within the offense and get the ball in a better spot. Or if you can’t, go to Odom against a slower big. Odom’s being inconsistent? ok, there is Pau. Pau is being soft? fine, sub in Andrew. Run the offense. Don’t settle for Kobe taking tough shots. Which is exactly what they did when they went to the finals 3 straight times.

    Get it yet? My opinion as I stated, is about what the Lakers should have been doing.

    “Once again your living in a world of how it should be and not how it is.”

    Yep, about the Lakers, my opinion is about what the Lakers should have been doing. Cool thing about Opinions.

    Regarding the Timberwolves….it’s not me living in a world of “should be” …. here, let me quote myself again, ” I’m just literally stating what has been true for Minnesota’s offense this season.”

  • LakeShow

    “THEY TRY THAT it’s when they are at their worst. What don’t you get? Literally, the Timberwolves are at their worst as a team when they do that. Why shouldn’t they use Love and Rubio in Pick and Pop situations when they can’t “play fast” — there are more options then just iso’ing Kevin Love when they can’t run. Which is great, because Kevin Love isn’t very good in isolation. Never has been.”

    They try that because the “run, get easy looks, and pass to good shooters, pick n pop/roll” options have ran their course and have not been effective…

    When Love shoots allot (23+FG’s a game) it’s because the team model has failed and they need him to.

    Makes sense, right??

    In the 5th game of the season the T-Wolves shot 36% in the game outside of Love. Love shot 40% that game. You can understand why they stepped away from the “easy buckets” model and went with their most efficient scorer, can’t you?(probably not…)

    2nd time he shoots allot was vs the Spurs. (27FGA) He shot 56% in that game for 42 points. The rest of the T-Wolves squad scored at a 37% clip. Once again… it adds up.

    And just recently, two games ago, in Dallas, the team shot 45% as opposed to Loves 58% on 24 attempts.

    When he shoots allot, it is out of need, not shot happiness.

    Don’t get defensive, but your not as intelligent or nearly the basketball savant that Phil Jackson is. I think Phil made the right adjustments. Or lack of adjustments during their three trips to the finals. Some times you have to play through a weakness because that weakness is still your only current strength. Sometimes Kobe jacking up difficult shots is still the best option. Despite it going against basketball philosophy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    might not want to hear it but Monta has been the guy he was the last couple years over the last 17 games
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01/gamelog/2014/#532-548-sum:pgl_basic

    shooting 16 shots to score 17 points, 27% from 3 while still chucking up 2 a game. 6 assists with 3 turnovers. He’s pretty much been the Monta all us pessimists thought he’d be. But he was really good that first

  • you’reasillyguy

    For God’s sake, stop spelling a lot as allot. F*ck I’m upset with you.

  • davidR

    he will have his stretches of good and bad, just who he’s always been. he is on his decline, but i still believe he will steady himself.

    seems dallas is kind of up and down right now. marion scoring 32 points and knocking down 3s the other day? even dirk seems to be in a bit of a funk. not sure whats going on over there

  • danpowers

    see nbks comment below.

    stop, please, i didnt say great defender. i have to admit that LA isnt really a defensive anchor, but as you said: he does what he is being asked of: on both ends of the floor.

    imo youre mostly right with what you stated about love and
    aldridge, but imo there are many tangibles left unmentioned. but basically its all about what nbk and i_ball stated.

    “So it appears to me that the Blazers are most dependent on LA defensively. And the Wolves dependent on Love offensively.”
    idk if its that simple. could be the case tho, la doesnt have range like love, but as mentioned already: he demands and commands the attention of the whole defense.

    i think love isnt that far from being the best 4 in the game, he is an elite player, no doubt. i just see LA with the edge right now for how dominant he is. sometimes numbers (outside of the win column) cant tell a players story. LA has always been one of those guys.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    My issue isn’t with love shooting a lot, or his % when he does. It’s just about how the Wolves offense runs. Which btw, it doesn’t seem like you actually watch much of. I mean, you really think they go to Kevin Love in isolation as a last resort? It’s just what they do when the game slows down. They don’t run that many sets that revolve around the pick and roll/pop. My point is about what suits Minnesota best, and what doesn’t. Maybe you call it a “need” to go through Kevin Love in the fashion that they do when the game slows down. I consider it a misuse of his strengths. I’m not getting defensive or trying to insult you. And I certainly don’t have the patience to keep this up, we seem to just be looking at this situation from different perspectives altogether. I’ll try and explain my POV better next week or something, I’m off work, so ima go home and play with the baby. Have a good weekend.

  • LakeShow

    Yep, later.

  • LakeShow

    No.

  • TriggaMan

    Okay who you got in front of deroxan than pal

  • http://bit.ly/1adGLWn SirGrey

    He has sneaky athleticism, just not too flashy. He can definitely take it to the paint for floaters but he isn’t that high-flyer you expect him to be with that size and strength.

  • Nick Holden

    Kobe has only made 33.5% of his 3′s during his career though. That is pretty bad.

  • Saleem Rainman

    i knew that was coming, but actually, i’d like to see the percentages. Curry makes shots from further out (BEYOND 3) and it doesnt matter who is guarding him and how theyre guaarding him, but he makes them at a RIDICULOUS percentage…the difference is longevity, Kobe been making tough shots forever now, if Curry can stay healthy and have himself a long career at these percentages… i dont even think there will be a debate .

  • thebossman15

    It really isnt even as close as your making it seem,plus almost all the tough shots curry hits are in single coverage whereas kobe saw bare double/triple teams

  • Saleem Rainman

    do u watchh the warriors? he is double teamed often as far out as considerably behind the 3 point line at times, but he fires away regardless. and makes over 40% of them 3′s.

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