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Sunday, January 26th, 2014 at 9:00 am  |  97 responses

Post Up: T-Ross Goes Off

Ross explodes for 51 as Kevin Durant scores 30 again.

by Jay Wallis | @JayWallis11

Bulls 89 (22-21), Bobcats 87 (19-27)

D.J. Augustin (28 points, 6-12 on 3-pointers) and Joakim Noah (11 points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists) continued to lead the way for the Rose-less and Deng-less Bulls. Noah has now grabbed 10 boards in 16 straight games—the longest such streak in his career. Al Jefferson (32 points, 13 rebounds, 3 blocks) looked good in the losing effort, as Charlotte has lost its last two games. After Augustin made a 3-pointer with 8:42 left in the game, the Bulls extended their lead to 67-57, doing a good job of keeping everyone not named Al Jefferson at bay. Every time Charlotte started to get within striking distance, Augustin stepped up, having 15 points in the 4th quarter. Jefferson finished the game by making the fourth 3-pointer of his career.

Clippers 126 (31-15), Raptors 118 (22-21)

Jamal Crawford (37 points, 11 assists, 5-11 on 3-pointers) and Blake Griffin (30 points, 5 rebounds) might have looked good as the Clippers won their eighth game in the last ten, but this night belonged to Terrence Ross (51 points, 9 rebounds, 10-17 on 3-pointers). Ross came out of nowhere and became the first person averaging less than 10 ppg to score 50 points in League history. He also tied Vince Carter for the Raptors’ franchise-high scoring performance and came one point away from doubling his previous career high (26). He got to this record by scoring in different ways, making plenty of dunks and 3-pointers for Toronto fans to always remember. However, Toronto was unable to play any sort of defense, allowing the Clippers to shoot 54.8 percent (46-84) from the field and 54.5 percent (12-22) on 3-pointers. The Clippers got what they wanted all night long. After these two teams went back and forth early in the 4th quarter, J.J. Redick (18 points) came up big, scoring 10 of his 18 points in the final 6:22. DeMar DeRozan (10 points, 3 assists) left the game in the 3rd quarter with a left ankle sprain and did not return.

Thunder 103 (35-10), 76ers 91 (14-30)

Kevin Durant (32 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists, 2 steals) has scored 30 points in ten straight games as the Thunder have won seven straight games. Durant is one of only six players to have such a streak since 1990. Serge Ibaka (25 points, 11 rebounds, 5 blocks) played extremely well, being the defensive force he has grown accustomed to being. Ibaka had three of his blocks in the first four minutes of the game. The Thunder would go on to outscore the Thunder 27-18 in the 2nd quarter and be in control the rest of the way. After James Anderson (19 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals) made two free throws with 5:18 left in the 3rd quarter, though, the Sixers cut the deficit to 69-65. The Thunder responded by going on a 14-6 run to close out the quarter. The Thunder finished the game shooting 52.6 percent while the Sixers only shot 37.8 percent. Philadelphia was able to stay in this game due to OKC’s 20 turnovers. But no matter what they threw at Durant defensively, the League’s current scoring champ tore their schemes apart.

Grizzlies 99 (22-20), Rockets 81 (29-17)

Memphis has now won two straight games against the Rockets and pulled within a game and a half of the eighth seed in the West. They pulled out the win Saturday by means of a balanced attack (six players in double-digits) and solid team defense. Dwight Howard (10 points, 12 rebounds) managed to get a double-double but the Grizzlies held him to only four made field goals. As Mike Conley (17 points, 4 assists) and Zach Randolph (15 points, 17 rebounds) led the way per usual, James Johnson (12 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds, 4 steals) had another solid performance. Since being called up by the Grizzlies in mid-December, Johnson has been a nice surprise and scored double-digits in eight of 19 games. The Grizzlies held the Rockets to only 54 points through the first three quarters, putting up 71 of their own. This is only the second time this season the Rockets have been held below 100 points in back-to-back games. Memphis controlled the paint, outscoring Houston 56-32 in the paint and outrebounding them 52-38.

Hawks 112 (23-20), Bucks 87 (8-35)

With each successive game, the Bucks look more and more like the worst team in the NBA, being the only team that hasn’t reached double-digit wins or five home wins. The Hawks were without Jeff Teague (ankle) but Lou Williams (18 points, 5 assists) filled in nicely as Paul Millsap (20 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals) led the way. Brandon Knight (27 points, 5 assists, 11-15 from the field, 5-7 on 3-pointers) looked good offensively but didn’t get much help from his teammates. John Henson (10 points, 10 rebounds) had a double-double. After Knight made a 3-pointer with 6:10 left in the 1st quarter, the Bucks led 14-10—their largest lead of the game. Atlanta responded by going on a 11-2 run, capped off by a Kyle Korver (12 points, 3-4 on 3-pointers) 3-pointer. Korver has now made at least one 3-pointer in 112 straight games. The Hawks never game up the lead the rest of the way, shooting 52.6 percent from the field. The Bucks finished with 20 turnovers, many of them simply coming from lazy passes. Adding insult to injury, Larry Sanders (1 point, 4 rebounds, 0-5 from the field) just recently signed a 4-year, $44-million contract this past summer…and still has nothing to show for it.

Nuggets 109 (21-21), Pacers 96 (34-9)

The Pacers let the Nuggets get too much from inside as Kenneth Faried (13 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks), Timofey Mozgov (15 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks) and J.J. Hickson (14 points, 13 rebounds, 2 steals) collectively outplayed Roy Hibbert (5 points, 3 rebounds), David West (16 points, 6 rebounds) and Luis Scola (6 points, 7 rebounds). Nate Robinson (15 points) and Ty Lawson (12 points, 10 assists) incessantly ran the pick-and-roll, exploiting a weakness in the Pacers defense. Lance Stephenson (23 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists) made more of a case to be an All-Star. Wilson Chandler (season-high 25 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists) had one of his best games of the season on both ends of the floor, holding Paul George (18 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists) to 6-18 shooting from the field. Seven of nine Denver players scored in double-digits. The Nuggets held a 55-36 lead at halftime, before Indiana went on their usual run in the 3rd quarter. However, Denver held their own, making enough stops to pull away in the final quarter. Randy Foye (12 points, 5 rebounds) is known for his long-range shooting but made some big defensive plays in the second half that kept the Pacers from getting within reaching distance. The Nuggets could have pulled away much quicker and easier if they had made their free throws (21-37).

Jazz 104 (15-29), Wizards 101 (21-22)

Washington has now lost their last 10 games when trying to get above .500. They couldn’t seem to stop Enes Kanter (24 points, 11-13 from the field), who had one of his most efficient games of the season. Trey Burke (12 points, 8 assists) and the Jazz made a concerted effort to keep feeding Kanter the ball down low. Fellow big man Derrick Favors (11 points, 14 rebounds) also had a solid game, recording his 14th double-double of the season. With the departure of Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap, Jazz ownership expected more of these type of performances from these two. Alec Burks (15 points) continued to be a scoring punch off the bench. Trevor Ariza (23 points, 5 rebounds, 6-10 on 3-pointers) was shooting the ball very well and Marcin Gortat (14 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks) had a double-double. The Jazz seemed to be in control going into the finals quarter. However, John Wall (13 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists) kept leading rallies that made this game have a close finish. Gordon Hayward (16 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists) sealed the deal by making 2-2 free throws with 2.6 seconds left. After losing eight in a row, six in a row and four in a row in the first 23 games, Utah hasn’t lost three games in a row over their last 21 games.

Blazers 115 (33-11), Timberwolves 104 (21-22)

Speaking of teams struggling to get above .500, the Timberwolves might be becoming less and less desirable as a future destination for their All-Star starter. Thanks to solid play from their starting lineup and sixth man Mo Williams (16 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds), the Blazers have now already matched the amount of wins they had all of last season. Big men LaMarcus Aldridge (21 points, 6 rebounds) and Robin Lopez (15 points, 10 rebounds) battled Kevin Love (15 points, 13 rebounds) and Nikola Pekovic (23 points, 11 rebounds) all night. Portland outscored Minnesota 60-46 in the paint. Kevin Martin (30 points, 6-10 on 3-pointers) had his shot going while Ricky Rubio (10 points, 11 assists) played the role of distributor. The Blazers just had too much offense from too many places on the floor, using a 16-4 run in the 2nd quarter to take control of this game. Their starting lineup is collectively able to score from down low, midrange, penetration and 3-point shooting. After Pekovic made a hookshot with 8:29 left in the game, Minnesota only trailed 93-86. But the Blazers would then go on a 12-2 run to put this one out of reach for good.

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  • Dagger

    No mention of the Derozan and Lowry injuries?

    Ross didn’t come out of nowhere. He’s been a good shooter since the trade, a key piece on defense, and everyone knows about his athleticism. He’s finally starting to put it all together, and now it’s a question of how high his ceiling might be. As he showed last night: pretty damn high.

    The Raptors are entertaining right now, and, when healthy, pretty good, but I still wonder: would the team be better off trading their more established players for draft picks, and rebuilding around Valanciunas and Ross?

  • bringbackthesonics

    Terrence ‘The Boss’ Ross

  • MUBWAR

    I wasn’t happy on draft night but damn Ross can ball

  • JJ Jones

    Kd is running away with mvp right now. Hopefully Wednesdays game against the heat will be the game of the year between the leagues two best players. (Hopefully wade doesnt play)

  • spit hot fiyah

    i want the albatROSS to catch on

  • spit hot fiyah

    check this out, his last 11 games excluding last night. that 71 from the baseline is insane

  • Max

    Holy sh*t what is going on in the league right now!?!

  • spit hot fiyah

    i was just thinking about his ceiling. i think ross just went from “possible solid rotation player for the future” to “untouchable unless you are giving us a sure shot franchise player back”

    lowry and derozan are very tricky at the moment. a month ago they seemed to be shopping lowry desperately before the gay trade. now he has come on and been their best all around player and they might hope to keep him if it comes at a good price.

    derozan was probably not being shopped like lowry but they were definitely listening if someone had an offer since his contract seemed kind of to big. ever since the gay trade he has also stepped up and shown improvements in almost every facet of the game and showed that he can play a larger role.

    ujiri will have to show what he is really made of. at the time of the gay trade it seemed like they were going for the all out tank. then after a few games of playing very well they were probably 50/50 in the front office. now i think they just have to go all out this year and see how good they can be with this current team, unless someone makes them some crazy offer involving picks.

  • spit hot fiyah

    video game mode is going on

    dj augustine has the settings on rookie it seems like

  • pposse

    how about Tony Snell?! he hit the bobcats up with the backbreaker last night with a 3 pointer. Should be calling that man Bane.

  • pposse

    Also to date, is this regular season by KD better than any of Lebron’s regular seasons not including the win totals? Just curious

  • Dagger

    It’s just an incredibly difficult situation. In some respects, even more challenging than Ujiri’s first season in Denver.

    I agree with you on Ross, but I think his potential was becoming more obvious even before this game. Any young player who’s athletic, can shoot the three, defend, and get to the rim has a pretty high ceiling. But it’s true: last night he showed what he can do if he puts it all together. He’s a keeper.

    Derozan has made huge strides as a playmaker, which was probably the weakest part of his game. I’ve been disappointed in the development of his three-point shot, however, which is the biggest thing keeping him from becoming a really elite scorer.

    Honestly I’ve been a little disappointed by Valanciunas so far. While I can clearly see the potential in Ross or Derozan, Jonas is a harder case. It seems like he’s only got a few post moves, which might be enough to dominate the summer league, but it’s insufficient for the actual NBA. He gets pushed out of his spots by bigger players, and his shot fakes don’t work on good defenders because he doesn’t have a shot. He’s also not at all athletic. Yes, he has some good games against top-tier centres, but he also gets dominated by them on a regular basis.

    Finally, I think the Raptors have shown what they are in the last 6 or 7 games: a team with some talented young pieces that probably overachieved in the wake of the Rudy Gay trade. This is probably a 45, maybe 48-win team. Maybe they can improve through some clever trades and internal development, but I still suspect that the best move, long-term, would be to trade Lowry and maybe Derozan and/or Johnson for some draft picks and expiring contracts. Although, of course, that’s easy to say but much harder to actually execute.

  • spit hot fiyah

    agreed on valanciunas. i thought he would take a big step this season. so far he hasn’t . still very young though. it seemed like he was getting very few touches pre-gay trade. he might be more involved now, but i haven’t watched enough raptor games to make a judgement on that

  • Dagger

    It’s actually pretty damn close.

    Durant’s PER is 30.9 right now. Lebron’s was higher in 08/09, 09/10, and 12/13. However, Durant’s win shares right now (.329) is higher than Lebron’s has ever been.

    Beyond advanced stats, Lebron has scored more PPG than Durant has in a season (05/06), but was a much less efficient scorer in that season (his TS% was .57% compared to Durant’s .64% this season). Lebron’s TS% is higher now than Durant’s, and it was close last season (.64% for Lebron, .643 for Durant).

    Of course that’s just scoring, but it’s all to emphasize that this is no longer a crazy question. I would argue that Lebron’s last season was better than Durant’s season this year, because Lebron was so good as a playmaker and so versatile as a defender.

    But it’s damn close. Durant has made an incredible leap with Westbrook out, and I’ll confess that I didn’t think it was possible. It’s crazy to see.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If he keeps playing like he has over the last 18 games yeah. It’ll be better than just about any regular season since Wilt

  • http://RAPTORS.COM/ BRAVO

    Well I was happy. True loyal fan.

  • http://RAPTORS.COM/ BRAVO

    Yeah imvery impressed he struggled to land spot onthe Raptors rotation but seems to found a home in Chicago. Best of luck to him.

  • VanCityBBall

    As if right now would I be dumb to say Terrence Ross is like a younger JR Smith except without the “craziness” and with a hint of defense?

  • JJ Jones

    Damn

  • JJ Jones

    Yeah and the crazy thing is that it looks so effortless for him right now. Its very plausible that he can break Kareem scoring record given his consistency, height , length, lack of injury history,and a game that doesnt rely heavily on athletic ability.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah that record is all about longevity. Right now LeBron is the only player “on pace” to really do it. He has to average over 26 until he’s 35, or over like 18 until he’s 40 while playing 90% of his games. Something nuts like that. Idk what Durant has to do, I’ll figure it out tomorrow.

  • Slick Ric

    Damn, the league has been fun this past week, so many big performances.

  • spit hot fiyah

    that’s your mission for tomorrow?

  • RKJ92

    We all wanted Drummond, but it is what it is, and this boy can BALL, that’s all that matters! we can always get pieces so it’s all good!

  • brothasdontsurf

    NBA Rule # 456432: Never engage in a shootout with Jamal Crawford.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Go back to trolling on worldstar with all the other worthless cunts

  • rented

    MVP is usually decided by the second half of the season. He’s playing remarkably well right now, but first half of the season is rarely mentioned in May and June. Let’s get excited about MVP stuff long after all star break.

  • Jerry

    Seriously, you are the single most annoying commenter on here. Absolutely no one respects your opinions, and you are the most ignorant dude on the site. No one is more “World Star” than you are. Just get lost and stop taking up comment space. And FYI, you don’t really understand what trolling is. You constantly misuse the damn word, which makes you even more annoying.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    I got a new slogan for all my “haters” on here SUCK MY D*CK

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Saturday night thoughts

    1.Needless to say Toronto made the right decision by drafting Terrence Ross and passing on bust ass Austin Rivers Ross is like JR Smith minus the COONERY

    2.Kevin Durant does not deserve to win MVP over LeBron James who is the best player in the world i mean basically he is doing the same thing he did at the beginning of the season all that is virtually taking all the shots behind a mediocre supporting cast with the exception being now that he is shooting far better now rather then earlier this season he is doing his best LeBron in Cleveland impression with the exception being LeBron filled up the entire stat sheet and only won MVP once doing that in Cleveland while all KD does is score

    3.The revenge of DJ Augustin in Charlotte last night

    4.John Wall back to normal

  • Jerry

    You also don’t use quotations correctly. If you would stick to basketball minus the vile slurs, it would be harder for us to see how unintelligent and unsophisticated you really are. But you insist on fully displaying your stupidity. I’m done here, but I figure if at least once a day you’re told how unwelcome your comments here are, eventually you’ll quit the site.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Just another idiotic anonymous cunt on my d*ck for no good reason

  • brothasdontsurf

    You keep trying to troll me on WSHH and on here. I have no idea why you think anyone on here will pay attention to anything you have to say with the way you conduct yourself.

    We all try to keep it on a grown folk level on this site, have respect for SLAM. This ain’t just another chat room for you to troll on, this is the best basketball mag/website on the internet. People on here have valid views that many of us enjoy reading and sharing with each other.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Really and you basically stalked and peeped my discus profile and you came at me with that WORLDSTAR SH*T first tho i don’t understand from out of nowhere here you come commenting on SLAM for only the past couple days man take your whack retarded back to WORLD STAR WHERE YOU BELONG

  • brothasdontsurf

    I told you to take “N*gga” and “Coon” and all those other words to Worldstar, where they are more than welcome. People don’t come to the comments on SLAM to read that trash.

    We want to share constructive opinions and humor with each other relating to the NBA and basketball. I’ve been doing that since I started commenting on this site a few months ago.

    I’m never going to waste my keys on you again though, I’m sure you’ll be banned from here soon enough and come back with a new profile anyway.

  • JJ Jones

    Well thats not exactly true I mean in 2011 they were saying rose was mvp around this time if I remember correctly. But yeah you can already see lebron turning up the intensity in light of kd’s recent performances.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Boy stop lying you know if you spot me on WORLDSTAR you will talk your retarded ass fuckery to me and just for the record i CAN’T BE BANNED AND I HAD A COUPLE OF PUNK ASS WHITE CRACKERS TRY TO DO SO BUT IT AIN’T WORK LOL

  • JJ Jones

    Imo kd as a better chance at that record than bron does. This is often overlooked but this guy suffers from less injury problems than james has(so far)despite his frail frame.Also everything about his game just screams longevity to me I mean he’s practically a seven footer with handles and limitless range. I would think that his height would help him maintain his high level of play for a longer period of time.

  • JJ Jones

    The league is on 2k mode with all scoring sliders at 99

  • Fan of the game

    51/9/1 – exact same stat line as VC vs Suns. Crazy (but VC did it better).
    KD is at that level where he is just manipulating proceedings on the court (true mastery of the game at just 25). Few have balled at this level.

  • Max

    .,

  • Nathan Shane Long

    So you DeShawn Stevenson now?

  • tomb

    You talk like Lebron is chronically injured, which couldn’t be further from reality. You can’t possibly base your opinion total number of games missed, because you’d realize they contradict your statement. In ten years, he’s played around 780 regular season games, plus playoff games all but one season. He’s missed around 26 games in his career. When comparing them at the same point in Durant’s career, they are pretty even. There is literally no data or facts to back up your assertion that Lebron suffers from more injury problems. Like nbk said, it’s a matter of longevity. If they both stay as healthy as they’ve been Lebron will probably get there first, assuming either of them has a chance at it.

  • JJ Jones

    No I’m just saying that everyone talks about how much of a tank lbj is they they tend to forget that durant has never had any real injuries either. Lebron sprains an ankle EVERY season kd does not. Also I think kd will get there first because I believe that he’ll be playing at a high level later into his career than lebron. Kd is much more offensively fundamental than lebron is u can’t overlook that(Scoring wise)while lebron will probably age into more of a magic johnson type instead of a jordan type of player.

  • tomb

    They were saying he was competing for the award. He wasn’t the run away winner not even midway through the season.

  • Max

    No

  • tomb

    You specifically said he suffers from less injury. You can’t prove that based off of games missed. You can’t prove that based off of a decline in performance since this is the only season Lebron hasn’t been basically better than the last. I really don’t know what you mean by “playing at a higher level later into his career”. You do realize that this is the first season KD will have had a better individual season, right? That’s assuming he keeps up this current pace. Offensively fundamental? He’s a better shooter for sure, but Lebron career wise still has a higher ppg. Don’t confuse being a more willing scorer with be a “fundamental” scorer. They aren’t the same. Basically what we are trying to say is, you can mathematically qualify who will get there first barring any major injuries, as NBK has showed you. Your counter argument is “I just think Durant will”?

  • tomb

    *quantify

  • Dagger

    Lebron has the most productive post-up game in the entire league right now. He also shoots a good percentage from the 3. That’s actually an offensive game that tends to age really well.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    STOP IT he coined that stupid phrase aimed at LeBron

  • JJ Jones

    I agree that its amazing at how much lebron has improved his post game but remember how much of his scoring comes in transition too. I just think that kd’s complete offensive repertoire will help him maintain his scoring better than Jameson still has a shaky jumper (its actually regressed this year)

  • JJ Jones

    Stop mentioning career ppg for a moment. Compare how they both scored at 25 years old. While lebron has improved in posting up his reliance on scoring in transition will hurt his scoring as he gets older. Also when he no longer has the speed to blow by players they’ll stop playing him for the drive and crowd him making him shoot contested jumpers. Kd doesnt have this problem he’s a much better scorer in the half court 7 feet so you can’t contest his shot and can hit from everywhere on the court. And actually I think lebron is better ABILITY wise than last year (more athletic in the half court improved post game)

  • tomb

    Opinions are so much more effective when backed by facts. From 16-23 feet in, mid range, Lebron is one of the most consistent shooters in the league. He hovers around 40-46% the last few seasons. Where is your proof that most of his points come from transition buckets? Honestly, I’d like some data on that. I’m not saying you are wrong, I’d just like to see tangible evidence. Durant at 25 lacked the same thing as Lebron at 25, which is a legit post game. Idk what your talking about with that last point. You have to be the only person on Earth who has watched the Heat this season and said Lebron’s athleticism is better in anyway than last season.

    If you could show me how it is even remotely mathematically possible for Durant to break Kareem’s record before Lebron I’d appreciate it. That’s really the only argument that matters. How many points will he have to score each season, with four season LESS experience than Lebron to reach a near impossible record before him if they are both maintaining minimal injuries.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I think your assessment of Jonas is bang on.

    Although I see flashes of great play, I think Jonas has had a disappointing season thus far.
    I’ve been debating with my entire family on this one subject and would appreciate your insight on the matter . . . Jonas Valunciunas or Andre Drummond?

  • JJ Jones

    Yeah youre right still kd is so far and above everybody right now its hard to see him not winning. I doubt lebron is even interested in mvp anymore thats not why he came to miami

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    He is getting more touches, but he’s been getting lit up on the defensive end against the likes of Al Jefferson and Jared Sullinger. Although the effort is there, I feel like he struggles with foul trouble and help defense, which often has him riding pine for entire quarters at a time in favor of Chuck Hayes and Patrick Patterson.

  • JJ Jones

    Not most of his points but about 7.6 of his points come from fast breaks which is a lot. If I’m not mistaken he led the league in fastbreak baskets either last year or 2012. He leaks out alot to get himself easy transition. Points which probably won’t be as easy in his mid 30s. And about l ebrons athleticism when he’s been healthy this year he’s looked better in the half court since his Cleveland days. Im talking about before he pulled he groin because he hasn’t really looked the same since.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol it’s not even going to take a full minute to figure out

  • thebossman15

    If you seriously havent noticed that bron scores a large amount of his points in transition and need “proof”(what happened to watching games..) to prove this……..

  • tomb

    Hence the steady improvement in his post game. You really think a drop off in transition points supports your idea that Durant can miraculusly make up for a four season point deficit to surpass the record? Lebron is averaging 26. Thats still 18.4 ppg, which isn’t remotely unrealistic for him to maintain considering his post game development. I simply do not agree about his athleticism at all. My eyes say a lot different.

  • tomb

    If you can’t comprehend what you read then don’t respond. It doesn’t add to the discussion.

  • tomb

    Do you know what the word ‘most’ means? Obviously you don’t. He would have to score more than 13 ppg in transition in order for most of his points to come in transition. The number is around 7.

  • tomb

    I’d like to see the actual numbers outlining how Durant would be able to do it. That’s really the only argument. It’s the only thing that can demonstrate who realistically has a chance to break the record.

  • Jared

    He’s clear leader. Let’s not exaggerate though.

  • thebossman15

    Where is the ‘most’ in my comment, i said a large part of his scoring is done in transition. Never did i say most, you just assumed so, stop being so sensitive

  • MUBWAR

    could you imagine drummond dd and JV. deadly

  • RKJ92

    I don’t think they could co-exist if I’m being honest.. Jonas has to work on his mid-range game big time because as of right now he is more a center then a power forward (the position he should be playing) so that’s why I can live with us choosing Ross even though Drummond is the better player.
    It’s all about team chemistry, and if one guy is a bang down low center, your other big man has to stretch the floor, that’s why Asik, and Howard never worked, and I dont believe JV, and Drummond would have either.

  • JJ Jones

    How has lebron looked different this year he lost 10 pounds before the season started ?

  • JJ Jones

    Exactly this is just common sense from watching him. Usually when lebron can’t score in the half court he tries to score on the break to get himself going. Hes probably the best transition scorer in history but that won’t help him in his 30s which is the point I was trying to make.

  • JJ Jones

    Kd needs around 25+ until he’s around 33 an then 18 ppg for the next five years to break the record while missing a maximum of five games per season seems plausible enough.

  • Evan Boland

    You’re a moron. KD is MVP, and Lebron won two MVP’s in Cleveland.

  • Dagger

    Right now it’s not close: Drummond beats Valanciunas in most categories. His PER is way higher, he’s a far better rebounder, and his size/athleticism suggest that he has a higher upside.

    Things could still change – Jonas has admittedly shown some flashes – but I’d definitely rather have Drummond. What do you think?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    neither LeBron nor Durant have ever been injured. And LeBron is 4 years older, and had more points at this point in his career than Durant does.

  • JJ Jones

    Do u really see durant scoring less than 28 ppg by the time he’s l ebrons age though. Lebrons scoring has gone down quite a bit during his time in miami

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No, but Kareem’s record is way way up there. Neither of them are really “likely” to do it. It’s averaging over 25ppg when you are 33+ years old while also playing in the vast majority of games that is really hard to predict. Durant is a 7’0″ with a skinny frame, it’s not often guys like that age well physically. In terms of staying healthy. So I wouldn’t start counting chips.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Agreed. Although Jonas outplayed Drummond in their first meeting, I don’t think it’s close either. Aside from free throw shooting and possessing a softer touch around the basket, I think Drummond is far superior in most categories that we typically judge big men on (i.e. rebounding, shot blocking, athleticism/strength, fg%).
    Also, if Raps fans think Jonas doesn’t get enough touches, they should watch Pistons’ games. Drummond is averaging 13ppg off of putbacks from missed Smith and Jennings misses.

  • JJ Jones

    I see where youre coming from I agree that kd might suffer an injury later in his career due to his frame. On the other hand if he does stay healthy I can see him getting close I mean kobe just last season still averaged 27-28 ppg(could have been more but he had his magic Johnson stretch) at 34 with less physical tools and a jumpshot that isnt nearly as automatic. Had he not torn his achilles he would probably still be putting up those numbers this season.

  • tomb

    But how does that compute mathematically to him doing it before Lebron. Anyone can figure that part out. How does he do that before Lebron keeps his record at a similar pace? You do realize it’s impossible. Keep in mind, I don’t believe either are really going to do. But he’d have to actually score more than that at a faster pace to beat Lebron to it.

  • tomb

    And you didn’t clearly read his original comment because you respond that I didn’t see that a large amount of his points come from transition. No one said a large amount of his points didn’t come from transition. I responded to his assertion that MOST of Lebron’s points came in transition. Like I said, read, comprehend, comment. In that order.

  • Jared

    Out of necessity. Durant may not have to carry such a load either if he gets more offensive talent around him as well. You don’t know what his team will need when he’s 28.

  • tomb

    Losing weigh means that he hasn’t looked a step less explosive? It’s widely known that he is back hasn’t been 100%. It shows. But wait, he’s lost weight so we should all ignore what looks fairly obvious. Does that make sense?

  • JJ Jones

    I thought he was over that back injury already? Did he really look less explosive dunking oven ben m acklemore and paul milsap him getting his head over rim? Hes fine he looked like a shell of himself after the first couple games though.

  • tomb

    That means he’s been more explosive than last season? Because he’s thrown down a few dunks?

  • tomb

    BTW, it’s pretty noticeable how you edited out the ‘most’ in your comment regarding Lebron’s transition points. For the sake of the conversation’s integrity, you should always put a disclaimer when you do that.

  • JJ Jones

    No he’s also looked quicker with his first step in the half court than previous sessions. U tell me how he looks less explosive

  • tomb

    I disagree. He’s either looked the same a slightly slower, depending on the game. I’ve watched about 19 Heat games so far the season. I honestly cannot agree with that assertion.

  • Dfrance

    That 50% from the right wing 3 is pretty darn impressive to me as well.

  • JJ Jones

    Well thats fine youre entitled to your opinion. Is watched about every game this year and haven’t seen anything besides the games he tweaked something

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you want to see how far away Durant is from reaching Jabbar?
    .
    24,762 points.
    .
    He can score 30 points every game of every season for the next 10 years and still fall 162 points shy of Kareem’s record.

  • LakeShow

    Gatdam you Cap!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that number is crazy. I didn’t even realize Durant had that much work to do. He will play more than 10 more years hopefully, but assuming he misses an average of 6 games a season, he’d still need to put up an astronomical amount of points, or he needs to play forever.

  • JJ Jones

    Damn I didn’t realize it was that much guess he’s screwed then lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that looks a lot worse than it is. i mean he’s way way off but that record is reachable. one of them (LeBron/Durant) just has to remain really productive very late into their 30s…..nbd, lol

  • vbull4

    Let’s also not take Kobe’s name off the table. Even if you factor in the 7 games he’s still expected to miss this season, and give him another thirty missed games over the next 4 years (until he’s 40), he’ll only need to average 20.4 points per game until he’s 40 to break Kareem’s record.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    *only* lol,
    .
    highly doubtful he plays that long, remains that healthy, or scores that much. but granted, he still has a chance.

  • thebossman15

    No your the one who insinuated he used the word ‘most’ when all he said was:

    “but remember how much of his scoring comes in transition too”
    and

    ” his reliance on scoring in transition will hurt his scoring as he gets older”

    he never once used the word most. You need to learn how to read, comprehend and just not bother commenting, i dont think theres anymore room for any more clueless lebrawn fans on this site.

  • JJ Jones

    Hes only taking 19 shots a game now and scoring 31… He’s an off ball scorer so he’s going to get his points no matter what he doesnt need to have the ball in his hands

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