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Post Up: Showtime for Miami

Heat win a showdown in L.A. on a busy night of hoops

by Brett Weisband | @weisband

Lakers (17-32) 119, Cavaliers (16-33) 108

The injury-riddled Lakers came into the game with just eight active players. They finished with five (technically four) and still wiped out the Cavaliers in Cleveland. Two Lakers fouled out and Jordan Farmar suffered a calf injury. When Robert Sacre picked up his sixth foul late in the fourth, he had to stay in the game because the Lakers were down to four players without him. Ryan Kelly led L.A. with 26 points, while Farmar netted 21 before sitting the final minutes. Steve Blake, playing a night after suffering a ruptured eardrum, posted a triple double with 11 points, 10 rebounds and 15 assists, along with three steals.

The Cavs are an utter disaster. They gave up 70 points to the short-handed Lakers in the first half and watched them hit 18 3-pointers on the night. Mike Brown benched Kyrie Irving (11 points, 5-14 shooting, no defense) for the entire fourth quarter, while Luol Deng and Tristan Thompson both watched from the bench for most of the second half. C.J. Miles led Cleveland with 27 points off the bench.

Celtics (17-33) 114, 76ers (15-35) 108

Boston raced out to an early lead and never relented, handing the Sixers their sixth straight loss in Philly. Jeff Green helped power the Celtics, scoring 36 points, including 13 straight in one third quarter stretch. Rajon Rondo was in range for a triple double, finishing with eight points, nine boards and 11 assists in the most well-rounded game he’s played so far this season. Boston shot 49 percent on the night while blocking eight shots by the Sixers.

Philly didn’t lead in the second half, but got as close as four points in the fourth quarter. Thad Young went for 20, getting into the paint at will and hitting 9-17 from the field. Spencer Hawes put up a double double with 13 and 14, while Tony Wroten scored 18, including a heave from beyond midcourt to end the third quarter.

Spurs (36-13) 125, Wizards (24-24) 118 (2OT)

San Antonio outlasted a Wizards team that ran out of gas in the second overtime, sending Washington back down to .500. The Spurs got the win despite missing Tony Parker for the entire second half after his back tightened up. Tim Duncan had a vintage performance for San Antonio, posting 31 points, 11 rebounds, five assists, three blocks and two steals in a season-high 40 minutes. Danny Green pitched in 22 points, knocking down 5-11 from deep, while Patty Mills scored 23 in Parker’s absence.

Washington led by as many as 17 in the first half, but the Spurs fought back to eventually tie it at 99 at the end of regulation. With San Antonio ready to grab the win at the end of the first overtime, John Wall (29 points, nine assists, four steals) swiped an inbounds pass and raced down the court to tie it up. The Wizards fell flat in the second OT, going 0-9 from the field. Bradley Beal scored 19, one of seven Wizards in double figures, but didn’t play in overtime.

Magic (14-37) 112, Pistons (19-29) 98

Orlando used a big second quarter to dispatch the Pistons, riding a big effort from their prized rookie. Victor Oladipo scored 20 off the bench, hitting 8-10 shots and dropping 10 points in that decisive second quarter that provided the final margin. The Magic outscored Detroit by 14 in the second, while the other three quarters were tied. Big Baby Davis scored 18 points, while Kyle O’Quinn blocked six shots in just 20 minutes. Orlando shot 49 percent and did a great job sharing the ball, assisting on 29 of their 44 field goals.

Josh Smith had 25 points (11-19 shooting) and 12 boards in a rare efficient effort. Andre Drummond (15 points, 14 rebounds) and Brandon Jennings (15 points, 10 assists) both posted double doubles for Detroit, although Jennings shot just 5-23.

Pelicans (21-27) 105, Hawks (25-23) 100

The Hawks made it a close game in the fourth quarter, but New Orleans held on for the win at home. Anthony Davis padded his case to be named an injury replacement for the All-Star Game in two weeks, posting 27 points (9-14 shooting) and 10 rebounds. He got some help from Brian Roberts, who scored 17 of his 19 points in the second half. Atlanta cut it the Pellies lead down to just three points with under 40 seconds to go on a dunk by Paul Millsap (26 points, 10 rebounds), but Roberts iced it with a floater with 20 second to go.

DeMarre Carroll scored 22 for Atlanta, hitting 9-12 from the field and 4-6 from 3-point range, while Jeff Teague posted a double double with 11 points and 13 assists. Atlanta sent the Pelicans to the line 22 times and got outrebounded 50-38.

Trail Blazers (35-14) 94, Knicks (19-30) 90

They didn’t make it easy on themselves, but the Trail Blazers squeezed out a victory in Madison Square Garden. Portland allowed the Knicks to hang around all game, shooting just 38 percent from the field and turning it over 14 times. LaMarcus Aldridge (15 points, 5-17 shooting, 12 rebounds) and Damian Lillard (12 points, 4-12 shooting) both struggled shooting the ball, but Aldridge hit a crucial turnaround over Tyson Chandler to ice the win. Nicolas Batum stepped up, scoring 20 points and pulling down 10 rebounds, while Wes Matthews had 18 points and hit 3-6 3-pointers.

Carmelo Anthony started the game off hot for the Knicks with 18 first half points, but tailed off late; he scored just eight points in the second half and was shut out in the fourth, shooting 0-4 in the final quarter. J.R. Smith had 18 off the bench (7-14 shooting), while Amar’e Stoudemire had some bounce in his game, scoring 15 points and grabbing seven rebounds off the bench. The Knicks’ streaky play continued, as they lost their third straight after winning five in a row. Raymond Felton, the subject of much criticism this season, was benched in the fourth quarter.

Rockets (33-17) 122, Suns (29-20) 108

Dwight Howard dominated inside, leading the Rockets over the Suns for Houston’s fourth win in a row, coinciding with a run of four straight games of 20 points or more for Howard. Dwight hit 12-18 shots from the free throw line to bolster his numbers. The Rockets shot 55 percent for the game and were on fire from long range, knocking down 11-16 shots from deep. James Harden had 23 and hit 3-5 treys, while Chandler Parsons knocked down all three of his 3-pointers on his way to 19 points. Terrence Jones had 19 and nine rebounds, shooting 9-12 from the field.

The final margin is a little deceiving, as Phoenix kept it within single digits for most of the fourth quarter before a late cold spell. Goran Dragic had 23 points and eight assists, leading six Suns with 10 or more points. P.J. Tucker scored 13 points and did a nice job guarding Harden, holding the Beard to 4-10 shooting.

Mavericks (29-21) 110, Grizzlies (26-22) 96

The Mavericks picked up a big win over a fellow Playoff contender, running away from Memphis in the second half. Dirk Nowitzki was huge in the Mavs’ third straight win, going for 26 points on 10-14 shooting, hitting 3-4 from 3-point range. The Mavs were down by five at half, but started the third quarter with a 9-4 spurt and never trailed again. Brandan Wright had 17 points in 18 minutes off the bench, while Monta Ellis and Vince Carter scored 14 apiece for the Mavericks, who shot 54 percent on the night. Dallas moved a full two games ahead of the Grizzlies in the race for the eighth spot in the West.

Zach Randolph had 25 points and nine boards for the Grizz and Courtney Lee had 22 points on 10-15 shooting. James Johnson had 17 and four blocks off the bench, but the Grizzlies had one of their worst defensive efforts since the return of Marc Gasol (12 points). The Grizz wasted a 54 percent shooting performance of their own with 17 turnovers, six of them by Gasol. Memphis was again without Mike Conley, sitting with a sprained ankle.

Thunder (40-11) 106, Timberwolves (24-25) 97

Even without their starting front court, the Timberwolves were able to hang tough against the League-leading Thunder. In the end, they didn’t have the firepower to overcome OKC. Kevin Durant had 26 points, nine rebounds and seven assists for the Thunder, while Reggie Jackson had 20 points and nine assists. Oklahoma City won the rebounding battle 49-39 and became the first team in the Asscoiation to reach 40 wins, giving themselves and three-game lead in the Western conference.

(GIF via r/NBA)

Kevin Love sat out for Minnesota after taking a hard fall on Tuesday night. Even without their All-Star, Minny shot 47 percent on the night. Ricky Rubio had his most points in two months, scoring 19 to lead the Wolves. Dante Cunningham was pressed into extra duty, scoring 18 points in 43 minutes. Without Love, Minnesota shot just 30 percent (6-20) from 3-point range.

 Nuggets (23-23) 110, Bucks (9-39) 100

Denver slammed the door on Milwaukee late after the Bucks cut the Nuggets’ lead down to three points. Wilson Chandler (24 points) scored seven points in the final two minutes to help Denver ice the win. Ty Lawson showed no ill effects from the shoulder injury he suffered last week, going for 18 points and 13 assists for the Nuggets.

The Nuggets had to cope with a monster game from Larry Sanders, who went off for 25 points and 15 rebounds, as well as another 25 from Khris Middleton. There was plenty of struggle outside of those two, as Milwaukee shot just 38 percent on the night. Brandon Knight had a brutal time shooting the ball, going 4-17 for his 16 points.

Kings (17-32) 109, Raptors (26-23) 101

Rudy Gay showed his former team what he could do in the right role, helping to lead the Kings over Toronto in Sacramento. The former Raptor put up 24 points and 10 boards, although not as efficiently as he has been since the trade, shooting 7-17. The swingman, who shot just 39 percent in Toronto,  has been hitting at a 52.5 percent clip in a more refined role with the Kings. DeMarcus Cousins beasted his way to 25 and 10 for Sacto as the Kings won their second in a row after a seven-game skid.

The Raptors’ stars were the more inefficient bunch on the night; All-Star DeMar DeRozan shot just 5-17 for his 18 points, and Kyle Lowry shot 6-17 for 21 points, adding seven assists and eight rebounds. Toronto shot a shade under 43 percent on the night, turned the ball over 17 times and sent the Kings to the free throw line a whopping 51 times. They were outscored by 22 points from the line despite holding Sacramento under 40 percent shooting.

Heat (35-13) 116, Clippers (34-18) 112

It’s not often that the Heat have looked fully engaged in the slog of the regular season, but the Clippers brought out the best in them on Wednesday. LeBron James was in fine form, nearly missing a triple double for the second straight game. James finished with 31 points, 12 assists and eight boards, besting a monster effort by Blake Griffin (43 points, 16-34 shooting, 15 boards, six assists). L.A. made a run to cut a 14-point Heat lead to start the fourth quarter down to two with a minute to go, but Miami responded with a 3-pointer by Ray Allen (15 points) to put it away.

A game featuring the nos. 2 and 3 offenses did not disappoint; both sides put up highlight after highlight throughout the game. James had several loud dunks and one of his patented chasedown blocks, while Griffin had a handful of finishes off of lobs that defied logic. Miami shot 52.6 percent on the night and had six players score between 10 and 15 points; Dwyane Wade scored an efficient 14 (5-8 shooting) and handed out eight assists, while Shane Battier hit four 3-pointers on his way to 14 points. James and Chris Andersen (12 points, seven rebounds, two blocks) both played strong post defense on Griffin, making him work for his points in the halfcourt. The Clippers got 31 from Jamal Crawford (5-11 from long range) and 16 and 16 from DeAndre Jordan. Los Angeles had a hard time holding onto the ball when Miami cranked up the pressure, turning the ball over 20 times.

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  • jerkearl

    No mention of this? Raptors got screwed.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akv04ezHY1Y

  • Jeremy de Sa

    I watched the Cavs vs LA game last night (not sure why) and saw a couple things.

    -The Cavs are a horrible basketball team/ franchise, and are coached by a dude who has no right to be a head coach in the NBA. He has lost more locker rooms in recent memory than any coach in the league. The only thing he did right yesterday was to bench Kyrie the majority of the 2nd half.

    - The Cavaliers offence looked much more fluid when Kyrie was on the bench

    - Kyrie Irving may be the most overrated “superstar” player in the league. No D, only wants to iso and has to break a dudes ankles before he attempts a shot.

    - WATCH OUT FOLKS, ANTHONY BENNETT HAS SCORED 13.5 IN THE LAST 2 GAMES.

    Oh and that offensive against Lowry in the final seconds of the Kings vs Raps game was just garbage.

  • JJ Jones

    Looks like lebron is starting to pick up the intensity. Might be too late to win mvp unless the thunder start losing games. Strange how egg oden didn’t play the second half guess hes still under maintenance.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    The Raps got screwed last night. I mean guys like Nick Young do that leg kick out more blatantly than what Lowry did and never get called for the offensive foul. Bad moment to call that foul and ruined the finish.

  • Jeremy de Sa

    I was so mad watching that ish live… Most players legs move forward when they are shooting.

  • MUBWAR

    they gave 51 FTA to the kings. disgraceful

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that really is one of the worst calls i’ve ever seen

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfzTH2OCUAAdjpt.jpg

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Cosign! He didn’t kick his legs out whatsoever.

    On a side note: Last night I saw Cousins complain to the refs, sulk when teammates missed shots, talk smack with each and every Raptor, and walk back on defense on a consistent basis. That being said, he put up 25/10/4/1/2 while getting every Raptor big in foul trouble without breaking a sweat.

    He’s basically an unstoppable Baby Huey on the court!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Yea that guy is a force in the paint. If he ever makes it to the playoffs I think he’s going to have a huge coming out party. He and Anthony Davis will be battling for best big man in the game in the next few years.

  • MindistheMaster

    We all know Kyrie isn’t a superstar. Good player. All-Star talent. But not a superstar.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Yup. And shooters who attempt to draw that kind of foul kick out one leg . Lowry had both legs out slightly which was within his regular shooting motion.

    A ref doesn’t make that call unless:
    A) They didn’t see the foul but felt compelled to call something because two players fell down
    B) They were specifically looking to call the offensive foul before the shot went up

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • Mario_23

    Good win for the Heat. On to the next!

  • Dagger

    To be fair, the third foul on Jonas while he was guarding Cousins might have been even worse. Great defense, no contact, and then: a foul, and the complexion of the game changes completely.

    I mean, the game should never have been decided on those plays – the Raptors should have been far more aggressive from the start – but calls like these drain the life out of a team on the road.

  • Drig

    That Lakers games is one of the most bizarre ones I’ve seen in a long long time….. I still can’t believe we won with that kind of game.

    The Cavs are simply falling apart right now. There’s absolutely no way any team should lose to such a short-handed Lakers team.

    Great game from Kelly is the best I can muster right about now.

  • Inceptor

    That was a 5 point swing. 3 points + foul shot + King’s tech foul shot. The ref must have bet a lot on this game.

  • Raptor nation

    Raptors got robbed! It’s okay we catch y’all in Sacramento next time.

  • LakeShow

    I think it’ll be the opposite.

    If he gets to the playoffs he’ll get baited into either foul troubles or a fight by anyone who is a gamer.

    He’ll put up digits in his minimal play time though.

  • LakeShow

    Players with triple doubles this season:

    Lance Stephenson(4)
    Kevin Durant(2)
    Stephen Curry(2)
    Nicolas Batum(2)
    Russell Westbrook
    John Wall
    Michael Carter-Williams
    Kyle Lowry
    Victor Oladipo
    Jeremy Lin
    Tony Wroten
    Tyreke Evans
    Jordan Crawford
    Steve Blake
    Ricky Rubio

    Notice the guy people said could average a triple double not being on this list.

  • Sari

    Is there a reason why the Lowry foul doesn’t have its own article on the SLAM front page???

  • LakeShow

    It sucks, but is not front page worthy… Calm down.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    who said he could average a triple double?

  • Sari

    It made the front page on Bleacher Report which is a site that covers sports in general as opposed to only basketball lol. But I guess your opinion dictates what’s front page worthy?

  • Slick Ric

    On the one play they actually call a offensive foul for a shooter flailing and kicking his leg out, they get it wrong. SMH

  • spit hot fiyah

    steve nash after his first game back

    from yahoo: “Another recent Laker injury returnee, point guard Steve Blake — who himself was playing through a sore elbow and a ruptured ear drum”

    the end is near

  • LakeShow

    Edited

  • Sérgio

    The King himself.

    Oh, and I had to triple check to confirm that STEVE BLAKE had a triple double last night.

  • LakeShow

    He didn’t say he could. He said it would be tough.

    It was Jalen and Mike Miller and some other foo’s who said he could/would do it.

    Oh and don’t be so surprised on B-Rabbit. He can ball.

  • LakeShow

    Bleacher Report is looking for website hits more than most.

    They can provide some good stuff, but in general, they want clicks.

  • LakeShow

    Especially when you are shooting that deep and fading! BS!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No he didn’t

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    . ‘Is it realistic? It’s so tough in this day and age,’ James said this week. ‘I look up to Big O so much to be able to do that. Unbelievable feat. I don’t believe it will ever be matched. It’s very intriguing. You would love to make history, but it’s not a goal of mine. My goal is to be a triple threat, not to average a triple-double. I know I can do that.’
    .
    He said “I don’t believe it will ever be matched”
    .
    Unless you guys are confusing him with saying he can be a triple threat, you are totally creating a criticism out of nothing.

  • LakeShow

    What?
    I said I edited it. I didn’t mean to say HE said he could do it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He didn’t say it would he tough either. Literally you created that whole list for the sole purpose of pointing out LeBron isn’t on it.. Plus he is the closest to actually averaging one in the league, so the point/criticism you are trying to make is misplaced anyway

  • LakeShow

    YES! DUH!
    I hate LeBron… Did you not know that?

    Don’t get all sensitive.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol just pointing out that you are saying something completely out of context. As I always do when people say things completely out of context.

  • JJ Jones

    People tend to forget how young kyrie is. All the criticisms about him not being a leader are bs hes 21 years old not 27.

  • spit hot fiyah
  • LakeShow

    What is out of context about pointing out that the guy everyone said would be the closest to averaging or would actually accomplish averaging a triple double, has not even had 1 through more than half of a season.

    Sounds pretty contextual to me.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Simple, he is the closest to averaging one. And a player could, theoretically average a triple double for a season without actually having one. So him not being on that list this season is irrelevant.
    .
    Him not being among the group to have one this season doesn’t change anything about him being the player with the best chance at doing it. Even if that chance is 0.0000000000^01%.
    .

  • Dagger

    The guy who everyone said would be closest to averaging a triple double this year . . . has been closest to averaging a triple double, this season and for most of his career. So all those people you’re citing were right, except for the true idiots who thought that Lebron would actually average a triple double in today’s NBA.

  • oai9b3ij

    LeBron james third year 21 years old average 31 points a game. Drose third year 22 years old elite point guard, Russell westbrook third year averaged 22 points with 8 assists all star point guard. kevin Durant third year averaged thirty, kobe Bryant third year 20 years old all star shaq’s sidekick. Paul George third year 22 years old all star melo third year 21 years old elite scorer. I’m not trying to argue with you on whether or not kyrie irving will become a superstar but the whole he’s only 21 years old thing is not a good excuse for his inconsistent play especially when it includes a lack of tangible improvement. It’s one thing to be inconsistent yet having showed improvement from year 1 to 2 to three but a real argument can be made that says irving hasn’t improved at all. all those players I listed made tangible and statistical improvement from 19, 20 year old rookie to 21, 22 year old third year players. It’s not an excuse the dude has struggled this season and if he doesn’t start making improvement this year or at least next year then I think it’s safe to say he’ll never become a superstar.

  • Dagger

    It’s safe to say that I won’t read more than the first and last sentences of that stream of consciousness.

  • LakeShow

    No it is not irrelevant. You want it to be irrelevant, but it is quite relevant.

    Main reason is he is like 55th in the L in double doubles too.

    You can say that he is the closest to averaging a triple double, but that is not infallible. I could argue Kevin love is the closest to averaging a triple double.

  • oai9b3ij

    what did I say that was wrong? I’m sure you know players that become superstars make the leap to at the very least statistical superstars at around Kyrie’s age. All those players that I listed made multiple leaps in production in their first few seasons. Kyrie, to this point hasn’t. Not saying that he won’t but at this point he hasn’t.

  • Saleem Rainman

    DISGUSTING. What is with the damn refs?

  • JoeMaMa

    “Hey, Kings. We know you were cheated out of a trip to the NBA finals back in 2002. Emperor Stern, in a moment of magnanimity, would like to make it up to you. Enjoy the Lowry call, annnnd let’s call in even….?”
    “Hey Raptors. Stern never liked you. Damon, Isiah, T-Mac, Vince, Babcock, Alonzo, Kenny Anderson, Araujo, Bosh….go f*ck yourselves. Enjoy the ‘foul’. Have a good one.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol not if you know what a triple double is.

  • LakeShow

    You’re the guy saying that “technically” you don’t need to get a triple double to average a triple double.

    So read that back to yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yep, you could average a triple double without even having a double double .
    Game 1
    12 points
    9 rebounds
    9 assists
    .
    Game 2
    9 points
    12 rebounds
    9 assists
    .
    Game 3
    9 points
    9 rebounds
    12 assists
    .
    Repeat x 27 = triple double average.
    .
    LeBron is closer to averaging a triple double than anyone else. Double doubles are irrelevant as well. Understand yet? Averaging more than 10 of something doesn’t make you closer to a triple double average lol, your extra rebounds don’t count as assists if you are Kevin Love. But keep fishing to make this make sense.

  • LakeShow

    Jeezuz dude… I didn’t say you were wrong. I obviously understand it can be accomplished.

    But it is just as silly as me saying that Kevin Love is closer to averaging a triple double than LeBron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oscar Robertson had 41 triple doubles in the season he averaged one over 82 games.
    .
    If you took Oscars first 6 seasons and averaged them out, he’d be at a triple double.
    .
    It’s not silly, it’s fact. Just because LeBron isn’t getting triple doubles, doesn’t mean he isn’t the biggest threat to excel in all three categories. Your comment whether you are sarcastic about it or not was not said as anything other than a criticism. A criticism that was completely off base.

  • LakeShow

    No it is not a fact. You don’t understand this one bit…

    Kevin Love is 6 APG from averaging a triple double.

    LeBron James is 6.5 Assist and rebounds away from averaging a triple double…

    Get it yet?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol, oh I didn’t know assists and rebounds were a packaged deal. I always thought they happened separately. As in, he’s 3.1 rebounds away and 3.4 assists, but sure, Kevin Love being 6 assists away from a triple double average really is closer. That POV makes a ton of sense, that’s why they call Kevin Love a triple double threat every game he plays right?

  • LakeShow

    Just as much sense as your POV makes.

    The fact is that Love IS closer to averaging a triple double than Lebron is.

    Which is just as ridiculous as you saying you don’t even need to get triple doubles to average a triple double.

    Both are true. Both are insane arguments.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol one of those is true. The other is you combining stats to fit your personal definition of closer. But sure

  • LakeShow

    Whatever makes it feel like you “won” man.

    If you can’t understand how KL is factually closer to averaging a triple double… I’ll just let you continue to live in that lil world.

  • LakeShow

    Whatever makes it feel like you “won” man.

    If you can’t understand how KL is factually closer to averaging a triple double… I’ll just let you continue to live in that lil world.

  • LakeShow

    Whatever makes it feel like you “won” man.

    If you can’t understand how KL is factually closer to averaging a triple double… I’ll just let you continue to live in that lil world.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    listing the age the players were and saying “all star” doesn’t help your case when you are talking about a 21 year old all star….you do realize that don’t you?
    .
    he’s played in 156 NBA Games. That’s not even 2 full seasons worth of basketball, and you are under the impression that he should have grown out of being inconsistent by now?
    .
    And what happens to you argument when I include Steve Nash? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=irvinky01&y1=2014&p2=nashst01&y2=1999 – how do you defend your position given that it’s pretty clear that with his age, and position he has plenty of time and room to grow into a “superstar”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    listing the age the players were and saying “all star” doesn’t help your case when you are talking about a 21 year old all star….you do realize that don’t you?
    .
    he’s played in 156 NBA Games. That’s not even 2 full seasons worth of basketball, and you are under the impression that he should have grown out of being inconsistent by now?
    .
    And what happens to you argument when I include Steve Nash? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=irvinky01&y1=2014&p2=nashst01&y2=1999 – how do you defend your position given that it’s pretty clear that with his age, and position he has plenty of time and room to grow into a “superstar”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    listing the age the players were and saying “all star” doesn’t help your case when you are talking about a 21 year old all star….you do realize that don’t you?
    .
    he’s played in 156 NBA Games. That’s not even 2 full seasons worth of basketball, and you are under the impression that he should have grown out of being inconsistent by now?
    .
    And what happens to you argument when I include Steve Nash? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=irvinky01&y1=2014&p2=nashst01&y2=1999 – how do you defend your position given that it’s pretty clear that with his age, and position he has plenty of time and room to grow into a “superstar”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol or whatever justification you can fabricate to make it look like you thought out your original comment for longer than “oh i have an idea!”s worth of time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol or whatever justification you can fabricate to make it look like you thought out your original comment for longer than “oh i have an idea!”s worth of time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol or whatever justification you can fabricate to make it look like you thought out your original comment for longer than “oh i have an idea!”s worth of time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope, they typically don’t. that’s why i just showed you the only 4 players to ever put up stats comparable to Kyrie’s at this age. Because typically, even superstars are NOT doing this at this age.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope, they typically don’t. that’s why i just showed you the only 4 players to ever put up stats comparable to Kyrie’s at this age. Because typically, even superstars are NOT doing this at this age.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nope, they typically don’t. that’s why i just showed you the only 4 players to ever put up stats comparable to Kyrie’s at this age. Because typically, even superstars are NOT doing this at this age.

  • LakeShow

    Tell me nbk, factually speaking, who is further away from averaging a triple double this season?

    Love or James?

  • LakeShow

    Tell me nbk, factually speaking, who is further away from averaging a triple double this season?

    Love or James?

  • LakeShow

    Tell me nbk, factually speaking, who is further away from averaging a triple double this season?

    Love or James?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tell me lakeshow, factually speaking, why are you asking me a question you already know my answer too?

    .

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tell me lakeshow, factually speaking, why are you asking me a question you already know my answer too?

    .

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tell me lakeshow, factually speaking, why are you asking me a question you already know my answer too?

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  • LakeShow

    I just want to hear you say the words: “I’m wrong.” lol jp’n just needed someone to argue with.

  • LakeShow

    I just want to hear you say the words: “I’m wrong.” lol jp’n just needed someone to argue with.

  • LakeShow

    I just want to hear you say the words: “I’m wrong.” lol jp’n just needed someone to argue with.

  • LakeShow

    The criticism is not off base. It has a substantial base.

    What is off base about saying the guy who everyone thinks is a walking triple-double treat is behind by 21 triple doubles from the rest of the L?

  • LakeShow

    The criticism is not off base. It has a substantial base.

    What is off base about saying the guy who everyone thinks is a walking triple-double treat is behind by 21 triple doubles from the rest of the L?

  • LakeShow

    The criticism is not off base. It has a substantial base.

    What is off base about saying the guy who everyone thinks is a walking triple-double treat is behind by 21 triple doubles from the rest of the L?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    let’s make it really simple.
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    in your opinion, who in the NBA is the biggest threat to put up a triple double in any given game?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    let’s make it really simple.
    .
    in your opinion, who in the NBA is the biggest threat to put up a triple double in any given game?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    let’s make it really simple.
    .
    in your opinion, who in the NBA is the biggest threat to put up a triple double in any given game?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am wrong if that’s what you want. after looking at the numbers this season, and factoring in minutes per game, Russell Westbrook is actually the closest to averaging a triple double.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am wrong if that’s what you want. after looking at the numbers this season, and factoring in minutes per game, Russell Westbrook is actually the closest to averaging a triple double.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am wrong if that’s what you want. after looking at the numbers this season, and factoring in minutes per game, Russell Westbrook is actually the closest to averaging a triple double.

  • LakeShow

    Lance Stephenson. Why?

  • LakeShow

    Lance Stephenson. Why?

  • LakeShow

    Lance Stephenson. Why?

  • LakeShow

    I just wanted to point out that LeBron is being caught up with by more players in the L. As far as versatility, and a complete game, is concerned.

    As far as Westbrook, I thought about him, but with the injuries, I left him out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s fair, he’s definitely in the conversation.
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    but if i had to bet on the next player to get a triple double, or had to bet on which player could average one over the course of 5 games or something irrelevant like that, i’d bet on LeBron. Despite him not having one this season.
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    He’s 29, and 7th all time in triple doubles. And he’s the best all around player in the league. Which is where the whole criticizing him for not actually having one thing comes off as really baseless.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk what you mean by caught up with. if you mean that LeBron isn’t the only very good “triple threat” player in the league then i would agree. but those guys are not as versatile as LeBron. The gap between him and everyone not named Durant is still significant (speaking in terms of versatility)..

  • LakeShow

    Sure. But now his scoring/efficiency is the only part that sticks out. It use to be the combination of APG and RPG too. But now you have MCW, Westbrook, Batum, Rubio, Curry, Lance and obviously KD, all encroaching in on his elitism in those categories.

    As a LeBron hater, It’s my job to point his out lol.

  • LakeShow

    Factually wrong, but I understand what you’re saying.

  • davidR

    not even that, but they T’d him up for running away. ufck these refs man, truly the worst in all the professional sports

  • davidR

    if he ever matures and gets focused…

    he’s basically like a new school rasheed. except he actually produces crazy numbers. same mentality tho

  • JJ Jones

    Dude not everyone matures at the same age. Lebron is lebron, drose youngest mvp ever, westbrook has kd. U need to temper youre expectations a bit

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i just hate bringing any player down. LeBron and Durant are both currently doing something literally no 2 players in the 3pt era have ever done…..
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    read this, http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-durant-lebron-arms-race-is-real-and-statistically-u-1515940922
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    i just wish we everyone would appreciate what we are seeing.

  • LakeShow

    Most people pick a side in sports.

    It is how it works in general.

    I appreciate. But I don’t have to like him.

    Off to my ever-late lunch. Read that asap. Thank you for the link, looks like an interesting read.

    P.S. You use to quite enjoy ragging on KB back a few years ago.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no lol, i enjoyed you and all the Laker fans around here’s reaction to what i was saying. i never said anything about Kobe that isn’t true. And I’ve defended him many a time, enough for people to still randomly think i’m a Lakers fan.

  • LakeShow

    I honestly, don’t remember or feel the urge to go back and look, but you were incredibly harsh and would take any moment, like myself with LeBron, to take a dig at him.

    Anyway back to sh*t that we actually want to discuss…

    I can’t believe that their TS% is so close, and how remarkable it is… That is wild for Durant, considering Bron’s FG%.

    I got to watch Durant his entire rookie season. The main thing with him is people wondered if he could ever be efficient. That was the immediate thought. Wow has he ever proved those fools wrong.

    Great diagrams to look at It really put’s them in a whole new category of efficiency and output from nearly everyone in history. Great time for NBA heads like us.

    I give Bron more credit than I seem to on here. If someone says something about him I always correct them and tell them the facts, but I will always love and appreciate guys that play more like Durant.

  • VanCityBBall

    In mainly the first half, the Rap’s did come out flat and SAC was forcing the issue so they did deserve the lead early… But the refs must have really been trying to impress Adam Silver (live in the crowd) to keep their jobs. 51ft’s is ridiculous, thats over 1 foul per minute on the Raps, and the game it self had zero flow because of it.

  • Evan Boland

    Wtf are you talking about yes he did

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You have a very low reading level Evan

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You have a very low reading level Evan

  • Evan Boland

    You have an extremely high opinion of yourself to think that you’ve never said anything about Kobe that isn’t true. It’s actually just foolish.

  • Evan Boland

    You didn’t specify what you were referring to

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s literally quoted in this comment section Evan

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